#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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half hornet
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lean into the horror more maybe

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i think there's too many biters

coarse berry
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the snatcher is a great example of their, like

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potential for good body horror

half hornet
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i don't like biters, they're quick, they're annoying and they swarm me good

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we need some support style unit trying to defend the rest of the sleeper squad

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Maybe some weird scout-like variant that reduces damage dealt to smalls around him

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so you take him out first

livid heath
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This is the guy you’ll want

nocturne flax
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Imagine playing OG R5 and seen a charger scout after hearing the schaeffer log

half hornet
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you could even prorgram AI of shooters to swarm these support lads

nocturne flax
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tremendous dissapointed

half hornet
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So you get like a long range squad of shooters peppering you from the defensive field

coarse berry
nocturne flax
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he said the snatcher

livid heath
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Yup

nocturne flax
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and back then we were thinking of the tentacle monster from the trailer

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we went into r5 HYPE AF

livid heath
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True

nocturne flax
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we got hit by the charger scout

livid heath
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And then no snatchers

nocturne flax
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R5D1 snatcher rumor

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good days

livid heath
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How funny would it be to see a sleeping flyer

nocturne flax
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good days

livid heath
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And a new enemy emerges

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A better and smarter hunter

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Not like these beta ass snatchers

deft kiln
velvet linden
deft kiln
half hornet
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lmao

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cant tell which is worse

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The worms or The sausages

livid heath
deft kiln
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100% these ones

livid heath
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But that is funky

livid heath
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Oof

velvet linden
deft kiln
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well actually i have better frames than i normally do

livid heath
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Maybe both

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Cause i can imagine that ur pc turns into a nuclear warhead when u speed

alpine spindle
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It's beautiful

livid heath
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It really fucks all

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I had the best rng for R7D2 but curse you anomalous fps drops

lyric knot
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I opened the overload door on R5A2 and got absolutely flattened, what am i supposed to do to prepare for that?

half hornet
deft kiln
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It is just a mom and a baby wave

half hornet
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If you're with bots - fat fucking luck

lyric knot
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I was solo with 3 bots...

deft kiln
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Place a sentry clear babies then rush mom

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Don’t run in the door

half hornet
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Best you can attempt to do is bring HEL Shotgun / HEL AutoPistol combined with a sniper rifle / choke mod shotgun

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...and auto-sentry

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Put sentries, try killing the babies then bum-rush the mother

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OR! Just get the objective item and get the fuck out

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Setup defensive positions on extraction point and do your best holding off the monsters

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Mother herself is not a threat, the babies are. Clear them out, find the HDD and run

lyric knot
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ill give that strategy a shot but im not very confident with how fast i got overrun and the bots instantly dying and reviving eachother while hell is breaking loose

verbal ether
real moss
lyric knot
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what is the optimal weapon forr popping tumors solo?

wary olive
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burst cannon or pump shotty

lyric knot
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the regular shotgun?

wary olive
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yes

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wait u mean mom tumors or tank

lyric knot
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mom tumors

wary olive
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yeah you can kill mom with 1 mag with pump shotty

half hornet
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Consider just not bothering with secondary objectives when bots are involved

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At least overloads, they almost never worth it

lyric knot
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the level is very easy without doing them tho

half hornet
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Don't worry C-tier will fix that

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And you only get apparel drop from main anyway

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I PE'd A3 couple of days ago. Honestly could be much worse, but still... 2 hours...

verbal ether
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a2 ovl is easy even with bots if you're prepared for it

lyric knot
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im not as good as yall

verbal ether
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its just a big fuck you moment to new players who have no idea what a fucking mom is

half hornet
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I wonder whos more dangerous with bots: tank or mother...

verbal ether
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tank by far

half hornet
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Bots will not flank tank, therefore it will be impossible to kill him

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And bots are of no particular help at rushing mothers either

verbal ether
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but p mom are also quite hard with bots

lyric knot
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Yeah and the fact that the error alarm starts when picking up that hisec, im thinking i gotta rush the overload and thats where it gets tough for me

half hornet
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at least they will kill babies, i guess

verbal ether
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regular you can kill fast enough alone for them to not but to much of a problem

lyric knot
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what is a p mom?

verbal ether
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a big mom

lyric knot
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ah like the one in r3d1?

verbal ether
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yes

wary olive
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normal mom is not hard at all

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just kill the babies with the bots if you are a bit worried then focus tumors after, no problem if it takes a couple birthing cycles

half hornet
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...said the sweatiest man on this server

lyric knot
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what r5 missions have the big mother, id like to try taking one out solo

wary olive
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once u clear all babies mom is just a running punching bag

verbal ether
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r5d1 but it's at the end of secondary

wary olive
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and 3 bots + you focusing babies kill them pretty fast

lyric knot
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what weapons would you give the bots?

wary olive
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burst rifle + veruta

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all of them

lyric knot
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burst rifle over the carbine?

wary olive
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i think thats what people who have tested efficiency with bots have said is the best

lyric knot
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i remember i used to give the bots shotguns and that was not a good idea

verbal ether
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i thought it was assault rifle + veruta ?

wary olive
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they probably perform similarly

verbal ether
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true

half hornet
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burst is a bit better at range

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and bots loooove taking random potshots across the entire map

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so might as well let them, right?

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Also they're not that trigger happy with Carbine either, so me thinks the close quarters DPS capabilities of it are wasted on them

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I should try giving them HCP some day, see how they fare

coarse berry
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giving bots a gun like high cal is a bad idea

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just asking to get shot in the back for half your health

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i like giving them the carbine 'cause its a super high efficiency gun and bots just straight up ignore it's burst cability

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they single tap it

nocturne flax
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dont give them high cal

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they kinda dont shoot at all sometimes

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either machine gun and for primary burst rifle or carabine and your good

coarse berry
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i remember giving my bots the hel revolver thinking "maybe they'll get some pen kills and save ammo?"

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I then watched hackett miss 7 shots on a single grunt.

nocturne flax
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it doesnt mix well with their jhonwick mode too

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on revo

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1 of each machine gun are pretty good

coarse berry
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ive never tried it, but do bots have any sort of per-gun logic?

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like if you give them a sniper, would they use it properly?

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or just kill smalls with it

nocturne flax
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same shit

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no logic

coarse berry
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pain.

nocturne flax
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theyre just walking sentries

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even if they did i would rather use the sniper anyways

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safer fo you (the player) to rely on them on killing smalls than bigs

coarse berry
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if they were really on-point with the sniper it'd probably be better cause they're pretty lax about smalls

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doing small bursts, pausing for some reason, etc

nocturne flax
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they have a delay like sentries

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they just need to lower that

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and also just force them to use guns

coarse berry
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Bishop unsheathing the ol' peacekeeper and charging into a horde of 5 grunts (he will die instantly)

livid heath
livid heath
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@glad jacinth

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glad jacinth
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Lmfao

chrome rivet
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do you lose infection if you are above %100 resist?

livid heath
livid heath
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You become immune

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But any infection before hand doesn’t get affected

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Happens in R5E1

late bloom
livid heath
coarse berry
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why did you tag me in this

livid heath
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Cause pablo told me to

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Held hostage is fun

hexed vapor
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This doesn't even make sense, your Sniper player should always be on tanks.

livid heath
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And i wanted to do without one just basically looking at himwubCat

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But good to know

keen ledge
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Hello, any guide to R4 C3 PE ? Do we need to complete Overload first and do the other part of the level with infinite wave of charger ?

tough badger
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Secondary>Overload>Main iirc

atomic escarp
tough badger
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And personally I'd take making the tank harder to see

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Charger error in secondary sounds unfun

atomic escarp
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also means you're gon run out of ammo faster

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as wheat loaf said the optimal way is secondary first ovl then main

keen ledge
atomic escarp
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any time

tough badger
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Does it sometimes still fail to spawn the second cell for gen cluster?

atomic escarp
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ive had the cell spawn for me 100% of the time

tough badger
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Good, that was very annoying to deal with

winter wharf
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I don't think they've ever fixed items refusing to spawn

obtuse surge
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its not fixed

tough badger
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Remember to check secondary has enough cells when you load the level then

nocturne flax
real moss
livid heath
subtle oriole
livid heath
wary olive
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@half hornet

half hornet
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fair

atomic escarp
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community fixes be like

tough badger
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Community fix: have you tried reading

obtuse surge
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the fix its literally false -> true

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but they dont know

stable pivot
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That was a community requested fix? Nice.

I wish they'd also make the query command tell if a security door locked by a keycard has an alarm on it and if yes, how severe.

obtuse surge
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even tho everytime it breaks

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it puts a very nice error message in the logs

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specifically put there so they could prevent this

deft kiln
obtuse surge
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KICKED ALL BUGHUNTER

deft kiln
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They are still around

obtuse surge
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gtfo will only shrink from here

deft kiln
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Bug hunter if you read this i will do your job for you just leak the codes

obtuse surge
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i rly hope R8 is already done

wary olive
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is that the terminal thats just int he middle of the room

obtuse surge
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its done by full team

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instead of the one guy

deft kiln
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Na that one guy is my favourite

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I like when we had a r7e1 change for no reason

obtuse surge
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its tough to check if the id is used in other places

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they dont have notepad++

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maybe they should watch voidspace tutorial

deft kiln
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Apparently they have only like 10 unique ids left

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Sorry I be spoiling a bug for r6 drop

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Waves will change somewhere else

half hornet
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R5B1 PE with bots: yay or nay?

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A3 was quite alright... Maybe i can avoid doing the LFG routine some longer

obtuse surge
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see

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u telling me to use discord instead of matchmaking

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but then u use bots instead

half hornet
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i just don't like the whole socialising thing, too much work

obtuse surge
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TRUE

half hornet
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If i can get away with just doing it at my own space with 0 possibility of misshaps - i might try it

obtuse surge
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thats why matchmakingis better

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and B1PE its just long af

half hornet
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also everyone already beat As and Bs and moved on so i cant fuckin' catch an LFG message that i need and have to make my own and then lose like 15 FPS to being a host etc etc etc

real moss
half hornet
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fuck that then

real moss
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thats all folks

half hornet
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bah, but i literally can't play anything else

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(without taxi, anyway)

real moss
half hornet
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Nah, i'm going to sleep... Ain't feelin' it. Next time.

verbal ether
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it's a reactor with no code search

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easy with bots

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just bring 3 sniper sentries

atomic escarp
real moss
half hornet
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only ones that requires exploring

atomic escarp
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its only 7 codes and resources are close so just run by and let bots do their work

half hornet
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If its like R1C1 it might be much more doable

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But still...

atomic escarp
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its easy to get bodied cuz there are more giants than there are smalls

real moss
half hornet
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oh

real moss
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it's not the hardest but it's fun

half hornet
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brutal

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sniper rifle galore?

atomic escarp
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have 2-3 big chargers are enough to ruin your 6/7 code run

atomic escarp
half hornet
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mah favorite

verbal ether
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I would recommend hel rifle

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they only come from 1 direction so it's easy to abuse pen

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and lots of chargers in this level

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but you do you

atomic escarp
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id rather go for the safer route and 1 hit giants

half hornet
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oh god, chargers too

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sigh

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they really dont want me having fun do they

atomic escarp
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and big ones too

half hornet
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I'll take big ones

real moss
half hornet
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stop with the biters but worse

verbal ether
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at least you have to do the reactor before secondary

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secondary being the most boring part of the level

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so if you die during the reactor you won't have played 1 hour for nothing

atomic escarp
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most boring secondary as of rn

obtuse surge
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its better than R1C1 cuz the resources are in the correct place this time

vivid quartz
vivid quartz
chrome rivet
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Nice photo of KDS deep

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desert cedar
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Is it possible to deal more damage to a Birther's tumor than the damage required to destroy it? One tumor has 126 hp, so a sniper would overkill it by a large margin

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So I'm guessing it's a max of 126 damage that she can take per tumor, otherwise some weapons would be too good against it

royal lichen
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afaik u can inflict more damage than tumor hp, like whacking an enemy after taking iix.. that head should only take xx hp to burst but the "excess" is still applied

daring pilot
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No, it isn’t for birthers and tanks

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Sniper would like 3 shot tanks if it did

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For clients or hosts (i believe it’s clients but can’t remember) you can do a bit of excess and kill on 7/8 pops

atomic escarp
daring pilot
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shut

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Do you remember?

atomic escarp
royal lichen
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could be mistaken ofc, just have the distinct feeling a largely boosted weapon does kill it faster, but it could be just "placebo" as in "pop more tumors faster"

daring pilot
atomic escarp
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and yes u can do more dmg as client with some weird interactions

wary olive
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burst cannon and shotguns are the main ones

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scattergun when it comes out is noticeably better as client due to this

desert cedar
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Alrighty, thanks!

prisma zodiac
daring pilot
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Ahhhhhh

prisma zodiac
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as ryk said
Scattergun as client is a big offeder

daring pilot
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So it’s a shotgun/burst thing

prisma zodiac
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I think its doable with potentially enough firerate before game updates on other guns aswell

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dunno tho

obtuse surge
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it was such good design

coarse berry
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was "remember where we left stuff" really that awful of design

obtuse surge
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i think the problem is more so go pick stuff up during a point where there's no danger anyway

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so why not just have it closer to the player

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so we simply dont have to do that

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and then thats what they did for every other reactor ever

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but yeh you right it mustve been a good concept

coarse berry
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calm down bud it's a level design choice don't take it so hard

obtuse surge
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yeh im so mad

coarse berry
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the r1c1 can't hurt you

obtuse surge
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well maybe it hurts you

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cuz you apparently dont think its bad

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but its the only reactor in the game that was done that way

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so i dont know why i would be upset about it

kind swan
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LF OG R1C1

winter wharf
kind swan
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Well OG R1C1 had head bug but with a much smaller arsenal

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(Tbf idk what the head bug specifically is. But I've heard it existed back then)

winter wharf
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if I had to guess, Head bug is just that shooter heads can break before they die

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ever seen a headless chicken?

daring pilot
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Also scouts iirc

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And that one still happens with desync

deft kiln
winter wharf
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ah, huh

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just like giant strikers nowadays

daring pilot
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Ohhh the shoulder thing

hexed vapor
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It's good for finishing for HEL Gun or Revo, particularly w/ PDW.

deft kiln
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Which is much more useful than current

daring pilot
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And it was like super rare right

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Well maybe not super

deft kiln
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Although all automatic weapons currently befit from invisible head it really isn’t by must and this is coming from someone who wanted it to be good

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The main thing it is useful for is recovering from a sholder melee or snipe(saves) one bullet

hexed vapor
daring pilot
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Oh lmao

hexed vapor
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All autos were 4 or 5 taps iirc.

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SMG was king.

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AR was strong.

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It made shotguns more consistent as well, although now that's just compensated by higher damage.

daring pilot
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god i wish smg was good

hexed vapor
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I wish AR was good.

daring pilot
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YES

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I still use it

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Angry protest

coarse berry
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Automatics in GTFO are suffering

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PDW need not apply

deft kiln
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def will change something

coarse berry
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Biggest buff AR needs is a straight mag because the drum looks stupid on a 30 rounder

errant vigil
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AR not good COPIUM

atomic escarp
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@nocturne flax fast death would be a better wording

nocturne flax
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But yeah if you count the dead of gtfo from the re-releases of rundowns it seems like a quick dead not gonna lie

atomic escarp
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The people that are still playing only are in cuz they haven't played the ogs or the veterans hoping their favorite lvls weren't butchered
If rundown 8 is truly the end then it will be a week or 2 before everyone funnels to a new game or payday 3 If that's what's being worked on

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Well some at least

coarse berry
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so what you're saying is: steam workshop

atomic escarp
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Given the current frowning of modded content I don't see that happening

wary olive
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funneling to cyber heist lol

coarse berry
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have they ever explained why they hate modding so much

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this game has l4d2-level potential with custom modded rundowns/etc but they're just ignoring it

atomic escarp
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I don't know the love hate relationship situation so can't tell

atomic escarp
wary olive
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no i meant the idea of more longer term gtfo players wanting to play 10cc's next game after their experience with gtfo development

coarse berry
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can't speak for others but i have less than zero interest in cyberheist

atomic escarp
atomic escarp
coarse berry
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played a lot of PD:TH and payday 2

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those were good, but payday2 devolved into crap imo

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cyberheist is gonna be competing with payday 3

atomic escarp
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Not much gaming in terms of variety
Mostly been playing aoe 2 de n gtfo and even these I'm kinda burned out maybe I'm just getting old

nocturne flax
deft kiln
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Pizza gtfo as I call it

nocturne flax
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Yep

atomic escarp
nocturne flax
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If we boiled down to 1 man yeah pretty short

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But im tired of that topic

deft kiln
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Same

nocturne flax
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Just like ray said they re a little disconnected from the game

atomic escarp
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Very well

coarse berry
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i got that vibe from how it was originally

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"hey guys what if we just deleted all our old content"

deft kiln
livid heath
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They did say

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They would after the game is done

coarse berry
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we'll see

deft kiln
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Na

livid heath
coarse berry
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and also even if they would why wait

deft kiln
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Cyber heist

livid heath
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I love mod

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Do u?

atomic escarp
nocturne flax
last gust
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actually hard game

nocturne flax
coarse berry
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i just imagine them thinking about someone buying GTFO a year or two from now, seeing 'Rundown 8' and that's just it.

livid heath
atomic escarp
# last gust actually hard game

I don't like hand holding or no mentally challenging games so aoe fits that just fine and it goes deeper the more u play
Fresh endless possibilities every game been also playing Dota but that just died for me lzst 3 weeks

livid heath
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My thoughts exactly

deft kiln
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even some r2 levels

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r3 i think were some of the best gtfo levels for current day

nocturne flax
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R1-r3 are perfect imo

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They barebones anyways

deft kiln
nocturne flax
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But yeh r4-r5 coulda use a redo on levels

deft kiln
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10 is just a very long level

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really hard for me to want to replay it

nocturne flax
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You can tell they they still havent learn that standing in a circle with a chokepoint for 5 min its not hard

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Looking a r5b3

deft kiln
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yup and r4b3

nocturne flax
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Hell r4e1 even

deft kiln
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kinda lame as fuck

nocturne flax
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The scan feels like it shoulda ended 40% ago but we still going 😭

nocturne flax
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Really ass if you do e treme

deft kiln
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it is just really really slow

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idk i dont think shadow stealth is very good

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i think i am on a wesley arc

nocturne flax
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Wesley its on 70 dosis of copium

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If you truly wany to beggin you wesley arc

deft kiln
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i think modded ruined shadow stealth for me tbh

nocturne flax
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You need to get stuck on r5d2 grates going to chsrger zone

deft kiln
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shadow giants that insant kill me cause they move at the speed of light

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i cant

nocturne flax
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Moddrd its a hit or miss

deft kiln
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always has been

nocturne flax
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I always tell people theres like only 2 or 3 rundowns thst are actually worth it made by people thst actually play the game

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The rest are just memes on my eyes

deft kiln
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it was a rundown made by chat gtp

nocturne flax
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Hell some.of them repeat the same tropes of gtfo

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Lights go out when you finish objective ---> error

deft kiln
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yeah modded rundowns be hard to make

nocturne flax
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The rest of the hour its just pitch black with some rooms having red lighting

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Its just eye strain

deft kiln
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yup

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i have been playing on gtfo with 1/1000 scale texture

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it is pretty good tbh

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there is so much visual clutter in this game

nocturne flax
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Got that cpu culling on extreme by rundown 8

deft kiln
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has it gotten worse

nocturne flax
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For me yeah but i play on a laptop

deft kiln
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like i cant play the game on all low anymore tbh

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like i cant even ave 60 frames

nocturne flax
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Ryzen 5 5000 something
Rtx 3050ti
12g ram

deft kiln
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i mean it isnt awful

nocturne flax
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Since alt r2 ive been having to low my settings further and further

nocturne flax
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Its a decent machine

deft kiln
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LOL

nocturne flax
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But i truly needed the monitor i cant read text anymore

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😭

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But yeh when i did resctor on r5b1 i was dipping on the 20'

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Culling help alot

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But they really gotta optimize the game already

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I never had to use culling before the alts

deft kiln
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you should try the low spec gaming mod

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it is really funny

nocturne flax
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We have that?

coarse berry
nocturne flax
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It was like that in og too sadly

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R6 gonna be the wordt out of all of them

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Watch

coarse berry
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can't wait for 40fps 😵‍💫

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how does a game with a maximum render distance of like 100m run that bad ever

livid heath
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R3A1 as well

wary olive
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they need to add sniper melee back to alt r6 to make it authentic

narrow gulch
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only active in r6 levels too*

deft kiln
narrow gulch
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oh right it was there for a while too

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I love gtfo

lyric harbor
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is there supposed to be like 2-3 minutes of extra waves after each reactor code on R4D1?

real moss
lyric harbor
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weve been just holding the initital bridge, spawns change or you mean just killing off other mobs faster

plush basin
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For the 2nd wave I held in the reactor, for all the others on the first bridge and it was okay

real moss
lyric harbor
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yeah I figured that was probably what was happening lol

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cause its rather awkward trying to hunt for a code with 1-2 minutes of extra waves

real moss
lyric harbor
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LMAO

tough atlas
coarse berry
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yeah me and a buddy thought we were being smart by being in side zones and 'pushing back spawns' to buy time

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there was no time bought

wide lion
lyric harbor
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We just wrapped it up and got it completed... we decided to just get more aggressive with the defense and the waves took less time lol

livid heath
#

tired AF

tough atlas
#

In theory I'm only missing R5C2 PE but in practice I cant muster the willpower to play it

livid heath
tough atlas
#

Whenever I know I'll get 1:30h freem in a row

livid heath
#

that sounds rad

tough atlas
#

👍

real moss
tough atlas
#

I get an urge to use the pinched fingers emote thingy

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🤌

real moss
tough atlas
#

It really makes you THONK

wary olive
#

🇮🇹

real moss
tough atlas
#

Science has gone too far? 🤌 if yes

reef talon
#

But yeah, reactors always spawn a fixed amount. Delaying kills does nothing for you.

deft kiln
livid heath
calm coral
#

now we did do a lot of resource running at the end

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we had so many resources left from the reactor and so little resources in main

tough atlas
#

Problem I have with relatively long "non error" maps is that it's legitimate if someone wants/needs to take a 10min break for whatever reason

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And then I'd have to tell them that I dont have time and we need to get moving

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Resulting in kinda rude behaviour

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Therefore I just assume maps like that are gonna need 90-120mins

half hornet
#

Gtfo do be that kind of game where you shouldn't start a match without unless you're ready to commit 2 hours of your life to it

verbal ether
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r5's PE are just way too long tbh

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d1 also

half hornet
#

What can you do...

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Cheat... Uh, shoot every room?... Mine room bait?...

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Will save time. Not sure about saving the run.

tough atlas
kind swan
chrome rivet
#

Didn't the devs say that GTFO doesnt stand for get the fuck out?

half hornet
#

Nope, not really

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It's an inside joke at this point

plush basin
#

.t gtfo

jaunty hedgeBOT
#

The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather the feeling you have that you want to complete The Warden's objective and GTFO.

half hornet
#

"For legal reasons..."

plush basin
#

🤣

half hornet
#

So it stand for it but doesn't stand for it, but it does stand for it

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Galaxy brains

plush basin
#

GTFO =/= Get the fuck out
GTFO = Feeling(GTFO+x)

wide lion
#

first time i see this artifact in muted

wary olive
calm coral
autumn pendant
#

That was half the secondaries for some levels main short fun simple, secondary either error or some 20 minute osip collector scavenger hunt same with overload either error or hey go collect ids also here’s a mother spawn if you’re unlucky

kind latch
#

r5b3 secondary terminal bug known?

livid heath
#

ayo @deft kiln

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wana help me pratice?

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or are ya off for today

deft kiln
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I work but after sure

dry dagger
#

So guys I just beat R5C2 main, just because I was blind and wanted to get a feel for the main layer before going into the optional. I know they're like an arena and reactor, but pretty blind beyond that.

Anyways wtf is the main layer? There's no tool until the very end and I like how they give you just enough ammo so that you don't starve to death. Actually not really, cause on both runs I did for main completion (this was my 2nd run), I was out of ammo by the end of the gen cluster. Luckily c-foam and auto sentry clutched hard.

On my life is this level harder if you don't pursue Extreme and Overload because of the really limited resources?

worn oak
#

Which enemy is this?

IMG_2920.png
pallid swallow
atomic escarp
tough badger
#

it's the only vaguely interesting interaction between any of the objectives in r5c2 tbh

dry dagger
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Also just tried R4D1 with a friend and when we got to Extreme, the 2nd room with the terminal was particularly brutal. I beat it solo w/ bots a few weeks ago and you could actually do the terminal scan and just run to extract, ignoring the 2 moms. Not the case this time, they kept birthing within very short intervals and I was genuinely wondering if I just got that lucky upon first completion.

prisma zodiac
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yeah you definetly can not ignore the moms in that zone

coarse berry
#

thats why they give you the foam

dry dagger
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We were 1 grenade short, so maybe I didn't search well enough.

Interesting I was able to just kill the babies with bots my initial run and just do the scan and leave. I just got really lucky I guess.

coarse berry
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i think we had two when we did it, you just gotta deal with the last one normally

real moss
plush basin
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On the duo we killed the first mother but failed trying to kill the 2 mothers so ran past them put the command and then extracted with them still alive

nocturne flax
#

level that have cfoam grandes/mines at the beggining of a level

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icant remember one

winter wharf
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r7c3 is loaded with foam consumables

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trying to think of other ones that have consistent spawns and not an odd one/chance for one somewhere

tough atlas
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OG R4A1 IIRC had decent chances of getting a cfoam tripmine before the first alarm

verbal ether
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r4a3 has nades i think

tough atlas
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There's a zone in R6D3 that was filled with foam nades and tripmines

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But that doesn't qualify as beginning of the level I guess

winter wharf
#

I mean I know OG r5c1 had a box that always had a cfoam nade in it by spawn (if it even spawned in)

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but other than that yeah I got nothing

nocturne flax
#

❤️

winter wharf
#

ah i getcha

atomic escarp
chrome rivet
#

Wonder if we will start getting teasers for R8 before or after R6 drops

tough badger
#

We technically already have an r8 teaser from the store page

dry dagger
livid heath
#

Is it in the whole main section?

deft kiln
#

the insane way to play the level is just do main

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then go do the reactor shutdown while main is going

livid heath
#

Ohhh

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That makes lots of sense

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Thanks jish

deft kiln
#

na

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i am def trolling

livid heath
#

Bro what

dry dagger
#

1st bulkhead key - zone 274 (spawn)
2nd bulkhead key - zone 97 (single room in the overload objective
3rd bulkhead key - zone 289 (that one blood door with the tank at the end)

livid heath
#

Im confused

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Main is 274 ?

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I could swear that secondary and overload had more numbers to their zones section

dry dagger
#

Overload is like 3 zones I believe. Extreme is more I think.

livid heath
#

Huh

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Then 97 should be main

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So itd be 1st key is it not?

dry dagger
#

On R6D3? I don't think so. The zones are bigger numbers.

atomic escarp
livid heath
atomic escarp
livid heath
atomic escarp
#

#fixbots

dry dagger
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The Better Bots mod rectifies their shooting and reviving problems, but strangely enough, they wont help you stealth melee giants. They only seem to do that vanilla. That's the trade off I guess.....?

atomic escarp
#

i say its worth it

dry dagger
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Yeah

atomic escarp
#

suppose got to learn to how to solo giants

livid heath
#

Ban

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Just kiddin i fucking love mods

atomic escarp
dry dagger
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I have 8 billion hours in this gaem and still sometimes don't get why I get slapped for 40

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also don't give meh heart attack

livid heath
dry dagger
#

It's not even an animation really. It's just straight timing. Like if you don't hit a giant for like, what the 2 seconds you have, you're getting your health repoed.

livid heath
#

True

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And alot of times even when the MF is staggered

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He still paunch

dry dagger
#

Some weird things for sure. I think it's worse on giant chargers. It feels like their stagger window is smaller than franks, but I don't know for certain.

livid heath
#

Tyrones?

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They never make sense

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He can punch and phase thru walls

dry dagger
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One almost ended a B1 PE run for me. He bugged out after getting his head destroyed by a sentry. He just stood there and I with a collective 2 iq decided to approach him rather than shoot. He decked all 4 of us and luckily we had enough health.

atomic escarp
#

very not smart of you

livid heath
dry dagger
#

@hexed vapor (or anyone who wants to input):

  1. What do you think of Alt R5 compared to the og?
  2. What's the hardest level, barring E1?
hexed vapor
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Hardest is easily R5D1.

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It's about the same as OG, with some good changes here and there as well as small nerfs that are really unnecessary.

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Tbh, it probably needed to be buffed in a fair few places.

dry dagger
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One thing I noticed was it looked like some areas were actually darker than the original, which I would've expected the opposite. At least in earlier levels.

Didn't they buff the error in C1?

hexed vapor
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They made it shadows, which is neat but nothing crazy.

dry dagger
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True. Did you think the buffs do B4 were also kinda whatever?

atomic escarp
#

whats the buff to b4?

dry dagger
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Snatcher and Tank. I think the tank is an addition at least.

atomic escarp
#

🤔

hexed vapor
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Tank 🤔

tough atlas
fallow wasp
#

Opinions on alt R5C2?

tough atlas
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But from what I've seen Overload is way easier now

hexed vapor
fallow wasp
#

My nightmare level from OG

hexed vapor
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They removed a tank for no reason.

tough atlas
#

I remember there being something like 3-5 tanks in Overload

hexed vapor
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Possible reduced the number of big chargers

fallow wasp
#

But yeah I did see overload was less intense

hexed vapor
#

but more than anything, it's just not that hard anymore.

hexed vapor
tough badger
tough atlas
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was brutal

hexed vapor
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Lol.

tough badger
#

I've seen videos of pre-nerf and it looked Funny™️

tough atlas
#

Also, weren't 214 and the main gen room cocoons?

late bloom
hexed vapor
#

Buffing it up would have been nice, though. Post-nerf was never all that hard tbh, it was mostly a pub slayer.

tough badger
#

cocoons were removed in the same set of nerfs

fallow wasp
#

I sure wish I could experience old pre nerf

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Oh well

tough badger
#

I'd like to try r5c2ov pre-nerf but imo the cocoons sound like more just annoying than actually difficult

tough atlas
#

So the version I played was hell for no reason

hexed vapor
#

Most of the nerfs in R5 made sense, tbh.

tough badger
#

i mean several levels in og r5 were hell for no reason at launch LOL

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a1 especially

tough atlas
#

I mean dont get me wrong

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I dont really like R5

atomic escarp
tough atlas
#

I feel like some sectors are just way too dragged out

winter wharf
#

some day I should touch pre nerf r5

atomic escarp
#

but secondary is still full of fog

winter wharf
#

might be a little while though

tough badger
#

i like r5, but r5a1, especially at launch, was the single worst A level we have ever seen

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pointlessly tedious and bad at teaching mechanics

hexed vapor
#

A1, B1, and C1...

tough atlas
hexed vapor
#

Were the ultimate gatekeepers.

tough badger
#

b1 and c1 had the decency to be funny about it

civic ember
#

Anyone else think it would be easier to solo the first cell in R5E1 then get people to join?

tough badger
#

r5 definitely had some of the worst single levels in the game, along with prototypes for what would be some of r6 and r7's best levels

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and some spectacular objectives trapped in levels with way too much else happening

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case in point, r5d1 was always about twice as long as it needed to be to make its point

civic ember
#

R5D1 and D2 are fun though.

tough badger
#

i actually agree with you, I just wish r5d1 was two separate levels lmao

tough atlas
civic ember
#

I agree though D1 is long.

tough badger
#

if you're capable of doing r5d1 secondary, the main is actually probably not very hard to you anymore, so it's just 45 minutes to an hour of gatekeeping for your next secondary attempt

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i like the main, but it is not actually super interesting

civic ember
#

D1 secondary is a reactor right?

tough badger
#

it's disabling life support iirc
whatever it's flavored as you do a terminal command and make fog go funny

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then you do the ol' r1d1 reactor shutdown for main but with sustain scans this time, which is still very easy

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if you know how shadows work and you make it to the shutdown command there's basically no way you lose r5d1 main

civic ember
#

I got it on the 2nd attempt for re-release.

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It's easy if you can aim but if someone brings the hell autoistol you have to elim8nate that person's targets which can cause charger waves to stack if they aren't.

dry dagger
#

I saw Dragon's video on og R5C2 Overload pre-patch and it was pretty silly.

tough badger
#

i haven't actually had time to chew through the alt, but assuming the main nerf to most r5 levels is the enemy density being less sadistic, the only especially difficult parts of r5d1 main remaining are probably the first class 6, and the S Cluster on the apex door
and maybe one of the keycard alarms before the S Cluster, I remember one of the possible zones being significantly harder than the other depending on where your keycard spawned

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donut room being the free side

civic ember
#

I still can't believe how many empty rooms there are. Or that there are hardly and spitters at the beginning of b2

tough badger
#

i wish they'd kept the enemy density because i hate myself, but i understand why they just kept things consistent instead. even if I'm disappointed.

civic ember
#

They are none in the first three rooms they're supposed to be in. I think it's lame. 2 years ago that level taught me a lot lol.

tough badger
#

the level's flavor text is literally complaining about spitters lmao

dry dagger
#

I feel the empty rooms definetley. I kept wondering if it was mandela effect of me sucking 2 years ago, but they had an enemy distribution bug also pre-R6, right?

tough badger
#

i don't think it was really a bug, they just didn't have anything in place to evenly distribute enemies between rooms in a zone, so for r5 they just spawned a lot of 'em lol

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r5a1 was infamous for being able to spawn like 20-30 dudes in a single room in the first zone

civic ember
#

All I know is I play this game because it's difficult and presents a challenge. It's frustrating and that's the fun of it. When they start making it easier they're doing us all an injustice.

tough badger
#

the worst part is that still only made average difficulty really high
you could always high roll and have most of the enemies spawn somewhere you didn't need to care about

#

i definitely miss how ridiculous the original r5 rooms could be, but the game handed out get-out-of-jail-free passes more often too, which was less than ideal

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what we've seen since then, is rooms you're not intended to kill have enemy density similar to r5 (like the r6 d-tier respawn zones)

civic ember
#

I get that they want new players to stick around and the population is thinning but if they made it to B2 without uninstalling they have to like the difficulty.

tough badger
#

especially now that most players won't start with r5

civic ember
#

I'm just glad R5 is back tbh. It's my favorite.

#

R7 is ok and so is r6 but out of 1-4 I only like r4c3pe and r4e1

tough badger
#

r5 A-tier managed to retain its personality with the only major nerfs being I hate playing r5a1 (in general) and r5a3 overload less, and I will withhold exact judgement on the rest until I experience it myself

civic ember
#

I like that they added the snatcher to a2 xD

tough badger
#

the only real competition for good A levels is r3 imo so r5 is still pretty winning in that department

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except, as previously mentioned, r5a1 is a bad terrible no-good level and should feel bad

stable pivot
tough badger
#

same hat

civic ember
stable pivot
#

I still remember the original R5A1, me dropping there solo as my first level and thinking of doing what Markiplier did in R1. How naive I was.

civic ember
#

I'm about to head home, see u guys in the LFG after I get some volcano tacos from taco bell. They just came back out today.

tough badger
#

ayo?

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won't see you in lfg tho i pretty much just play with my premade

half hornet
#

Are they called volcano because they look like a volcano, or they turn you into a volcano, or.......

tough badger
#

well every taco bell item does the second thing

#

okay it's definitely because it's spicy lol

#

that taco is very red

winter wharf
#

Fairly certain that you also get less sleeping enemy spawns overall nowadays, not just due to their distribution throughout rooms

dry dagger
#

definetely believe that, which kinda sucks. At least keep the total count the same, just spread it out better.

tough badger
#

correct, they lowered them by a lot going into r6 and haven't ramped back up much since

dry dagger
#

There are still certain rooms with a lot of dudes, but they're not very common (R4C2 Secondary, etc.).

nocturne flax
#

they even out the difficulty "jump" that you could get from going to r5 from r4

tough badger
#

i only really have a problem with it in r5 alt tbh, i like stealth better when they don't just throw numbers at every problem

nocturne flax
#

for you average group its fine and its healthy

tough badger
#

yeah

winter wharf
#

Idk overall I don't find the ALT rundowns very compelling

#

Cool to have if you want to play current version I guess

nocturne flax
#

they gotta buff the enemies by improving their pathing so sentries wont destroy them

tough badger
#

i fully understand and embrace the fact that my desire for r5 alt to kick me while I'm down is not an objectively-formulated opinion and is in fact hard nostalgia

#

i defend myself with "but it would be funny"

nocturne flax
#

r5 wasnt my favorite rundown ever tbh

#

levels are just long

#

not even that hard imo even in OG one

#

just long as hell

tough badger
#

my current opinion is that r5 is my favorite but i think r7 is actually the best in terms of level design
and i do agree, r5 wasn't that much harder it was just balanced really badly and had stupidly long levels acting as walls

#

like r5b1 is famous for being hard... but only really if you didn't know how to deal with chargers. other than that, secondary was way too long but still easy.

dry dagger
#

I like R5 cause of no-stal-guh and difficulty, but I've finally seen the pain of objectives like A3 Overload and B1 Secondary. They don't need to be there.

It'd be cool if they buffed R6 and just threw everyone off from what they're expecting it to be (easier than R5). Even though I still thought R6 was pretty hard on later levels.

hidden crater
#

r5b1 was awful for a b1, as well as awful with bots

dry dagger
tough badger
#

yep, it was balanced badly for its slot but other than that it was Fine™️

hidden crater
#

yeah i mean it was possible to get through

#

just

tough badger
hidden crater
#

two giant charger error alarm in a b1 feels excessive even if it is on a optional route (which it is not)

hidden crater
dry dagger
#

R6D4 still might have the hardest surge alarm. Idk maybe im wrong on that.

hidden crater
#

the pit ™️ where you do that long scan from bottom to the top was real fun

tough badger
#

yeah, i think if i had to sum it up:
was rundown 5 actually technically difficult or was it just really really bad at teaching new mechanics

hidden crater
#

think thats the level before the kraken

tough badger
#

r6c1 yea

hidden crater
#

yea

tough badger
#

based level

hidden crater
#

that one was real fun

#

the next one even more based

tough badger
#

r6 had level design that actually gave people room to learn, and not just because of checkpoints

dry dagger
#

DX made me learn how to melee scouts.

tough badger
#

r6 extension was goated (mostly) and i will not be taking constructive criticism (i will be giving it)
BX was a bit long, CX was too easy (but rad as hell), DX could use a little more going on in the run up to the uplink

wary olive
#

???

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R6 ext was doodoo....

deft kiln
wary olive
#

And some frames as well

deft kiln
#

Yup

#

Dx is a pretty cool objective tho

tough badger
#

basically the only complaints I've ever heard about it are the framerate issues and difficulty

#

personally i thought thunderdomes in B-tier was cool, CX's level format was incredible (but the implementation was easy), and DX is pretty universally agreed to have a great ending (if your computer wasn't having a heart attack the whole time)

half hornet
#

Sigh, i guess i'll have to take out a notepad for this one

half hornet
#

So uhm

#

about that B1 error alarm

#

How... How long will it stay with me?

deft kiln
#

till you find hsu

half hornet
#

Fascinating

#

Backwards correlation for once

#

one of the zones is rudimentary, i'm guessing?

deft kiln
#

yeah

#

ingore it

#

just rush hsu

#

or terminal

half hornet
#

Alright... Deep breath...

#

dont open the wrong door, you idiot

deft kiln
#

term for 96 is right beside entrance

image.png
#

term for 98 is in d uptop i think

image.png
half hornet
#

should i like setup any turrets or its whatever...

#

just go and get em done

#

fuck it, i'm wingin' it

deft kiln
#

you want to make it to hsu as fast as possible

#

so term ping hsu

#

then leave easy peasy

half hornet
#

chargers, of course

deft kiln
#

big chargers

half hornet
#

that was...

#

Its really hitting me now that R5 is lowkey cursed

#

BBCs... In B1 Main.

atomic escarp
#

from what i can tell 98 is the best zone for hsu cuz they seem to always spawn in room b or e which are to the right the moment u walk in the zone

#

thats what i did and only had to kill 4 bbcs

half hornet
#

got 96

#

hsu was on high floor

#

very tight spot

#

almost got bumrushed by bbcs + like 3 giants who woke up, of course

atomic escarp
#

i have 0 success rate with that

#

the way the rooms are set up makes no sense

half hornet
#

i mean i got it

#

but we did ate like 150 points of damage collectively

#

i lost like 60 hp and bots lost like 40 each

#

granted i think dauda ate a shotgun blast from me

#

sorry bud

atomic escarp
#

u going for pe?

half hornet
#

what a lovely spot against an army of giants, eh

image.png
#

i dont know... i probably should at least try

tough atlas
half hornet
#

that extraction point is calling me, but then DJ7 will force me under a gun barrel to do this again anyway

#

i'm painfully aware

#

i will not be well-slept tomorrow

atomic escarp
#

ovl will be the death of you with that pump shotty

tough atlas
#

A Bullpup User?

#

Wait they exist?

half hornet
#

you just realized i'm a bullpup main?

atomic escarp
#

i am a bullpup main as well ijust dont take it when im going to finish a lvl

tough atlas
#

What do you do while you reload? Throw insults at the waves?

atomic escarp
#

cheering for my lifeless AIs

tough atlas
atomic escarp
#

ofc hes got them african genes just like me

half hornet
#

Unload bullpup > Switch special > Unload Special
IF (WaveStillAlive) > Reload Special
IF (WaveDead) > Reload Special > Reload Bullpup

tough atlas
#

Mine was just sarcasm btw

half hornet
#

I know, i know

real moss
half hornet
#

okay 2 things:

#
  1. I swear the game is trolling me because every single time it always puts at least one security scan in sniper-sentry's only line of sight
#
  1. are they for real with this overload
#

its just going and going and going and going

#

i found 20 lockers and they're full of nothing but glowsticks and flashlights

#

they... they couldn't cut this one down to maybe, i don't know 2 whole zones less?

atomic escarp
#

only the reactor zone and bridge zone have resources and zone 99

atomic escarp
half hornet
#

yep, rip me

#

bots once again prove worthless for reactors

#

sigh

#

oh well, at least i can go to sleep at appropriate time

atomic escarp
#

nighty night

dry dagger
#

I gave them all hel rifles along with 2 sniper sentries and a burst for B1 Overload. It actually wasn't that bad.

pliant pasture
#

did you also rock the hel rifle?

atomic escarp
dry dagger
#

I may have gotten lucky. The sniper sentries carried hard.

pliant pasture
#

having a bot on bio makes those sentries p good

dry dagger
#

yes indeed

atomic escarp
dry dagger
#

Yeah. The Secondary section lives in infamy, because it's slow.

hallow lark
#

Ok. A3. Any error/shadows?

#

for R5?

atomic escarp
#

error from secondary

atomic escarp
hallow lark
#

But there are errors

#

?

atomic escarp
#

yes

#

from secondary

hallow lark
atomic escarp
hallow lark
atomic escarp
#

yes that will be good

hallow lark
#

Any Mothers or Tanks?

atomic escarp
#

in my run i didnt see any but there might be a random mom sleeping somewhere

hallow lark
#

Fuck ok

atomic escarp
#

itll be fine

#

the secondary error is barely anything

hallow lark
#

you know how sucky I am vs Mothers

atomic escarp
#

u can just hammer the strikers every time

atomic escarp
#

had to fight her while dealing with a room full of shadows

dry dagger
#

The ||mom in R4C2 is troll because there's no tumors on the walls to indicate it's a mom zone.|| It throws you hard when you're blind.

atomic escarp
dry dagger
#

The tile?

atomic escarp
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112 or 115 is a class 3 or 4 and after that in room E is a mom

atomic escarp
dry dagger
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The same room same zone 5 times.

hallow lark
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is getting 2/3 safe or no?

atomic escarp
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its safe

hallow lark
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about to enter Overload

atomic escarp
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scout zone is a cocoon room so they will respawn

hallow lark
atomic escarp
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Yes but not the entire lvl

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U can still do main and secondary with no fog problems

hallow lark
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so Its just Overload then

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as in no fog presence in Main/Sec?

atomic escarp
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Yes

hallow lark
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Ok

atomic escarp
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The fog will reach up to the platform where u will stand for apex door S alarm @hallow lark

hallow lark
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Oh. Thats... quite a bit high...

atomic escarp
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Main n secondary is unaffected it's fine

hallow lark
atomic escarp
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When u open apex

hallow lark
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ok. I can grab the key from bulk and get main codes and everything

atomic escarp
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Yes

hallow lark
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DAMN ok

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I thought the HSU starts the alarm but nope

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Its the sec door into 124 that starts it

atomic escarp
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Yeah Hsu has no alarm

twin dirge
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where nomand pp

calm coral
tough atlas
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Which side does the tank come out of R5C2's Overload?

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I'll probably have to try again with bots

plush basin
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If they haven't changed it it should be random

tough atlas
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Well that's unfortunate

livid heath
half hornet
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Because lfg keeps failing me

solemn wigeon
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Simply find players

livid heath
half hornet
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Message in 3 servers, waited 5 minutes = 0 reaction

solemn wigeon
pliant pasture
calm coral
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or it’s always came out of east for me

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anyways we cheesed that oop

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stand in spawn

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shoot the thingies

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then get a glass of water and a snack while you wait 6 f ing minutes for the scan

neat sluice
livid heath
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single player is boringgggggggggggg

neat sluice
neat sluice
livid heath
real moss
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checkm8

neat sluice
real moss
neat sluice
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In general its better to have players even if they are bad. Because they can follow instructions and do teamwork stuff

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but a bot shoots much better than an average player. That's the one thing they are good at

verbal ether
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there's a reason everybody uses machine guns on bots

nocturne flax
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If you think bots are better than players you delusional

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and that coming from the dude who investigated the shit out of them

real moss
nocturne flax
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you have to play around their quirks and weaknesses all the fucking time

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yes they shoot but guess what you have to baby sit them for their suvival

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you have 10 sleepers rushing your bot, homeboy detects the first 3 in line and goes to melee them the other 7 sleepers catch up to the first 3 and it takes a soli 1 to 3 seconds for the bot to go "oh shti i gotta shoot"

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theyre good fillers and help a lot dont get me wrong

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but you really gotta be on top of them most of the time

deft kiln
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Speaks much more about the players skill level than the bot tho

verbal ether
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lost a r2e1 run yesterday cause the bots refused to enter the scan right in front of the ladder during third surge facepalm

deft kiln
verbal ether
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yeah I know, but kinda hard to do and survive when dealing with a surge

deft kiln
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I mean yes but it takes 3 seconds

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You also have ladder so on player with combat can control the entire wave and if you don’t have a hel shotty/ combat player you are doing something wrong

verbal ether
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I was playing with 3 bots

deft kiln
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Welp that is gg

half hornet
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Bots have higher hit rate on average, but they don't adapt to range and they don't mag dump when pushed against the wall

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Tfw pulp action potshots across the room

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Big brain, brutha, big brain

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Also chargers completely break them

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"Oh no, a large black creature is punching me in the face, WDID?"
"I guess I'll shove it with my hammer"

nocturne flax
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how to ruin your gtfo experience
play with 3 bots

errant vigil
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Play with 1 bot

nocturne flax
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that only applies to this guy ^

half hornet
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1 biobot and many sniper sentries. Ultimate defense.

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Maybe even 1 shotgun, just in case

livid heath
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3 man + 1 bio bot

atomic escarp
half hornet
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If lfg will keep failing me... I might have to.

neat sluice
coarse berry
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bots 110% do not shoot better than players

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unless your player is missing fingers

narrow gulch
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they dont use as much ammo but the game has plenty of ammo for 4 players anyways so

tough atlas
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now exhibit B:

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in 23min 1 guy joined

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As soon as I said to him "Hello, I'll give you the code in a second" he left

solemn wigeon
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Not enough rizz then

tough atlas
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what's rizz?

plush basin
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Your voice wasn't cute enough clearly