gtfo-spoiler-chat

[deft kiln]

There is probably like 6-10 wave events with delays on them

Idk why they be spawning all at once tho

[livid heath]

@coarse berry

[atomic escarp]

#gtfo-media message @hexed vapor combat shotty?

[hexed vapor]

Combat shotty.

More versatile shotgun, absurd ammo pool rn.

[deft kiln]

You can one cycle a mom with only combats shotty solo no births

And it isn’t even close

Gun is crazy

[atomic escarp]

gon try it some more then 🤔

[prisma zodiac]

best stop gap special while also being able to cleanly 1 tap small enemies, decent into chargers if you have the time (to kill, its obviously good to stop them)

honestly the only thing i rly disagree with is rifle below burst rifle

theres other stuff (like heavy smg above machine pp) but thats more them being close and bad anyway

[wide lion]

pick -bioscan speed boosters 😄

[deft kiln]

It has to be irony

[hexed vapor]

I just think it's kind of meh on its own.

[subtle vault]

can snatchers be found sleeping in this rundown?

[deft kiln]

No unfortunately

[subtle vault]

damn

The trailer lied

[deft kiln]

I want to see the goofy moments

[subtle vault]

real

[kind swan]

Sleeping snatcher behind tutorial Locked Door

Real

[wary current]

nice to know the cfoam cheese on r5c1 still works a treat

[winter wharf]

did you... foam the ladder for the first scan?

if so I don't know what to tell you other than that seems like a tremendous waste of tool refill

[pliant pasture]

its sounds worth it if he was treating himself

[west crow]

Ladder foam 🤤

[narrow gulch]

couldve just had 2 burst sentries do the alarm for you

[obtuse surge]

skillful

use ladder foam to work around rng

[west crow]

Could just had 2 cfoam launchers to foam the ladder even more

[obtuse surge]

practical solution

[pliant pasture]

exactly!

💅

Treat Your Self

[obtuse surge]

why no matchmaking

[west crow]

If they didn't want ladders foamed why they give me cfoam

[obtuse surge]

NEW rundown

40m queue

[west crow]

Have you tried just asking black dragon to play

It's like a 20m wait for a response e

That's half the time

[obtuse surge]

black dragon can twist my balls

in-game

[nocturne flax]

i cordially invited you to suck on my left nut

[nocturne flax]

gladly

[west crow]

Where's new video

[obtuse surge]

R5 video when

[nocturne flax]

you can stay stuck on that lab tile wes

[west crow]

Just use unity explorer to reset your position

[obtuse surge]

thanks

[west crow]

The way God intended

@nocturne flax there's no other youtuber that I watch that starts the video with "man what the hell man" with persona 5 music 60% louder than his audio

Just leaves discord notifications in there half the time

[wary current]

helps if you're solo

if you do it right, takes about 45% foam even when solo (where alarm is slower), that's more efficient than a sentry

if you have a tripmine, can kill whole wave with 1 mine then too

[west crow]

Do you put the mine vertical on the ladder

Auto mine

[wary current]

you put it on the railing on the bridge. when scan ends run up the cable on the bridge, enemies bunch up, shoot the mine

[winter wharf]

I don't think sustain scan scaling changed with the amount of players outside of rundown 4/rundown 6

[wary current]

definitely scales, just tested. around 1min 40 with a team of 4, and around 2min 20 solo

[obtuse surge]

it found a match

in the 10m i was eating

[half hornet]

Why do you keep trying. Do you like bunny-hopping purple weirdos that much?

[kind swan]

Bunny hop irl

Les go

You know how fast I would get my work done if I could irl bhop

[fallow wasp]

Can’t wait to beat every gtfo level in sequence all objectives no failures

[kind swan]

looks at gtfo guide challenge

[pliant pasture]

once aR6 is out, i am excited to watch the every level, every rundown, solo no hit run. and if you do get hit, you have to go back to R1A1

[fallow wasp]

So they aren’t doing an alt r7 right?

[deft kiln]

you also cant kill sleepers

[fallow wasp]

And checkpoints are prominent in both r6 and r7

[pliant pasture]

oh right, blind folded too

[fallow wasp]

I wonder if r8 will use checkpoints

[deft kiln]

it will probs

[fallow wasp]

It’s so weird playing through all the old rundowns with not a single checkpoint and all of a sudden r6 pops up and checkpoints galore

[pliant pasture]

blind folded, pacifist, no hit, sequential, solo run

[deft kiln]

yeah it is almost like the old levels should have been updated to the new style of game

[pliant pasture]

[fallow wasp]

Which is why I’m wondering if they intend on removing checkpoints from r6 and r7

[pliant pasture]

alt should have been more like remasters than remakes

[deft kiln]

they dont

[fallow wasp]

So strange

[deft kiln]

they are just gonna put the false ----> true

levelEnabled = true.

crazy

[pliant pasture]

big no

[half hornet]

I think Calle pretty much directly said no

[pliant pasture]

R7 requires literal zero work, no way on earth those levels are getting edited.

R6 i could see an argument for those levels getting remade, but Jish is making a lot of sense tbh

[real moss]

Other way around remove the checkpoints from R6 and R7

[half hornet]

I am not one-timing D1

[real moss]

It's pretty easy. even for you after all you've now done. it's just an hour

[obtuse surge]

do this:

[tough atlas]

R6D1? Even without the checkpoints the only "hard" thing that has is arguably the alarm before the Calamaro Gigante

[half hornet]

Yes.

[tough atlas]

I think of all the runs I did I died at the endfight like twice

out of... I dont remember, 8-9, whatever

[half hornet]

I love wiping on... *Check timer... * Minute 60 of the run

[tough atlas]

and one of those I nearly fell asleep

[deft kiln]

haha game harder easier with check points funny gfunny

[real moss]

Come on. you did R4C3PE and R4E1. R6D1 is a cakewalk

[tough atlas]

I'll tell you what I think: checkpoints are fine since noone is forced to use them

So stuff like "checkpoints should get removed!" I'll never understand

[half hornet]

This is about 5th time you're saying it

At least those I've seen

[obtuse surge]

make it 6

[tough badger]

i don't think they should be removed (well, they should maybe be nuked due to bugs but not gameplay reasons lol), but I respect the decision to preserve old rundowns without them

[tough atlas]

You're talking with? dna? me? jish?

[deft kiln]

chcekpoints dont make the game eaier they make it less punishing

[half hornet]

You, unless I'm confusing you with someone else

[deft kiln]

the old runodwns wont preserved tbh

[real moss]

Me it's probably the 20th time 😂

[tough atlas]

you mean "easier"? Or am I misreading?

[tough badger]

checkpoints do make the game harder when they leave one guy stuck with a briefcase glued to their hands

[deft kiln]

yup meant easier

[tough atlas]

ah, yes

[obtuse surge]

fix bug

and give them limited uses

[real moss]

Wesley speaks wisdom

[obtuse surge]

and then add the uses to the completion screen

epic update coming in R9

[deft kiln]

you just have to give rewards and completions stats for no checkpoint runs

pretty simple

[obtuse surge]

eta 2030

[deft kiln]

like you dont have to limit use

you have to reward the skill

like

[tough badger]

i also do think checkpoints actively make learning certain parts of the game harder by encouraging spam retries instead of learning the game mechanics, but that's also not really checkpoints' fault

[deft kiln]

there are countless other games you can steal design from

[real moss]

Nah since december 2021 they have not been fixed. Wesley is right. fix em or delete em

[deft kiln]

i mean

THe entire game hasnt been fixed

[atomic escarp]

after playing 5 rundowns without em i say delete em

[tough atlas]

So... you get a gold mask if you finish a level checkpointless?

[deft kiln]

idc tbh

steam achivments would work to

LOL

[real moss]

R1 to R5 run more stable than R6 and R7 ever did

[deft kiln]

no

they dont

[tough atlas]

If you dont care then what's the point? I could say the same about sectors at this point

[tough badger]

steam achievements in backlog hell

[deft kiln]

dont fucking lie to yourself

[real moss]

golden HEL revo

[deft kiln]

COMe

on

[real moss]

they do

[deft kiln]

i never hit sub 40 frames on r6

only dx

[tough badger]

they don't have checkpoints or (more importantly) dimensions lol

[real moss]

I NEVER had a run die in any of these rundowns cause a cell was stuck to someone

[deft kiln]

you used a checkpoint

which apprently you never do

[winter wharf]

ok it does indeed seem to scale but not as harshly as it previously did

[obtuse surge]

they gotta add setting to remove the particles they added in R6

[tough badger]

restarting from checkpoints is definitely turbo broken

[deft kiln]

and you can get it stuck

if you have host migration

LIke

man

[real moss]

In R6 and R7 yeah when pubbing

[prisma zodiac]

R6D4 ?

[real moss]

which is also playing lottery

[tough atlas]

R6D4 ran fine for me

[prisma zodiac]

fog dimension

[obtuse surge]

man my pc was broken on R6 release and i played D1 on laptop

[real moss]

Same. R6DX was way worse

[prisma zodiac]

alarm stutter

[tough atlas]

TBH the only maps in R6 that were running like shit to me were R6DX,CX and in specific spots C3

[obtuse surge]

i did nothing during the boss fight

[real moss]

but then again R7D1 runs fine for me

[tough badger]

r6dx ran better than r6d4 for me

[atomic escarp]

my old grandpa ran r6d4 fine from start to finish even fog

[deft kiln]

the games technical side has being get worse since old rundown introduction

[prisma zodiac]

if you didnt see strikers using ultra instinct then ya either playing on god pc connection or cappin

[tough atlas]

Keep in mind that I usually play with settings on low/mid

So, when I say that R6DX tanked my fps I really mean it

[real moss]

and yes I no checkpointed both the rundowns. Doesn't mean I never used them come on bruh

[tough badger]

powerpoint enemies

[fallow wasp]

I would personally vouch for golden guns. Or any gun customization really. Even just a scope changing menu

[prisma zodiac]

obviously does not apply to host

[real moss]

At least @atomic escarp has seen the light

[wary current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBQ_0IC1sg it's the same time, it hasn't changed

[obtuse surge]

even for host

[atomic escarp]

kind of has that mexican filter

[obtuse surge]

enemies still teleport all the time

epic game

[real moss]

Bit of Brown I would guess

[atomic escarp]

wouldnt see properly otherwise

[deft kiln]

did you mean alt

or og

cause og yes

alt no they have the same issues

[real moss]

OG and Alt. and I was not talking framewise cause that has decreased since R6 came out.

[errant vigil]

My worst frame experience is still from OG R5D1 extreme

[deft kiln]

lighting engine

r6

[prisma zodiac]

R5 frame when shotguns

[daring pilot]

mmm so when scattergun

[half hornet]

Scootergoon

The weapon I used once and just couldn't find the right use for it

Tried shooting a wave that broke the door... Don't remember much of an effect.

I guess team were supposed to finish them off or something...

[deft kiln]

just make it that you have to give up ammo , health or both to create a checkpoint

then take away all checkpoints in the level

[half hornet]

Did you just reinvent left 4 dead saferoom

[deft kiln]

no

you have to give UP ammo to create a checkpoint

meaning the level gets harder for every checkpoint you make

lfd that is the end of the level where you GET ammo/medi

[kind swan]

gives up Bishop for checkpoint

This is now a 3 man expedition

[deft kiln]

tbh i like that system more

i would sell bishop for a checkpoint

[errant vigil]

I'd rather sell him for his bio tracker cooldown

[obtuse surge]

because u like cheesing

[tough atlas]

Take checkpoints away but sectors go bye bye too, maps get cutted into pieces so you get shorter levels

[pliant pasture]

eat him for his Biotracker and stealth powers

level up

eat tank bubbles for armor upgrades

[kind swan]

I rather sell him for his blackmailing skills (he gets caught)

[obtuse surge]

bot bio makes the sniper sentry still work

[kind swan]

tries to black mail masculine men

[obtuse surge]

i think they should nerf sniper sentry some more

[kind swan]

[kind swan]

It now fires with the accuracy of auto sentry

[tough atlas]

R8 will have a new enemy: a sleeper with a gun, which gun will it be?

[kind swan]

sniper of course

Or did you want it to have burst cannon

[tough atlas]

Giants dual-wielding Verutas

[kind swan]

looks at Hybrid

[errant vigil]

BBCs with Scatterguns

[tough atlas]

"I'm no longer asking"

[kind swan]

Babies have Helpps and stagger us

[twin dirge]

sounds like shit internet

this game really needs a ping counter

[kind swan]

It's a new enemy type

[twin dirge]

800ms awakens and slows everyone down except the host

[pliant pasture]

it does

[wide lion]

we need ue5)

[tall perch]

@wraith cipher like this you see

[wraith cipher]

This should be lagging internet or the bug lobby

Have u try restart the game ?

[tall perch]

yep

well its sadge

ty for help anyway bro ;D

[wraith cipher]

Yea the game sometime like that

When lagging internet or somethn

[reef talon]

This is usually ISP blocking traffic to game so only some code is coming through for lobby connection.

[soft garden]

Anyone can help us for R2C2 ? We spent ages (literally, we don't get to play as 4 often) on R2C1, and now same for this one, and because of the dumb reddit protest there's no way to get advices

[reef talon]

@soft garden you should ask in #gtfo-related-questions for level related advice on r2

[soft garden]

okay, posted here because advices would be the same as spoilers and I didn't want to spoil people

[reef talon]

Spoilers normally only applies to recently released rundown or anything major ingame.

And it isn't really enforced.

[wide lion]

new picture to gtfo

😄

what you sell man?

[wide lion]

why i get infect

121% def

[nocturne flax]

they change it

[wide lion]

(

[pliant pasture]

Touch green, unironically

[tough badger]

you could avoid the drop infection in og r5 but they wanted the gimmick to at least matter a little bit even if you specced against it i guess lol

[fallow wasp]

Take a shower about it I guess

[pulsar zodiac]

if you have higher than 100% infection resist

step into the fog

and see the magic

of infection slowly reduce

[late bloom]

yes the noticed that in our first r5e1 run

the disinfect fog

so funny and stupid

[deft kiln]

Liner relationships why infection boosters aren’t log based will never make sense to me

[tough badger]

You mean that they scale additively and not multiplicatively

And the answer is it's more intuitive, funnier, and usually not super gamebreaking
I'm more surprised that the game actually lets infection resist go over 100%, the fog would not reduce infection if it were capped

[velvet linden]

🤓

[deft kiln]

You have a pause button for a multiplayer game

[velvet linden]

nuh-uh

[deft kiln]

When your dad said you need to use the bathroom before I destroy it you paused your game

[velvet linden]

how did you know about the bathroom bomber

the washroom wrecker

the lavatory leveler

[deft kiln]

Who do you think asked him to destroy the peace

[velvet linden]

my god...

you madman

[nocturne flax]

dont copy me

[kind swan]

The Human USAF Boeing B-52 Stratofortress

[tough atlas]

That's a lot of Bs

[pliant pasture]

isn't that the one that goes 500 miles

and then goes 500 more?

[wide lion]

gtfo on second place)

[half hornet]

My first cheater-ruined run, love it

[twin dirge]

only now?

[half hornet]

Yep, my first one.

[twin dirge]

impressive

[half hornet]

My mistake, didn't lock the character slot

Lesson learned

The second someone drops out - BOT ONLY

Until further notice

[pliant pasture]

also, don't put lobby code in lfg post

[twin dirge]

usually it just happens from LFG

yeah

[half hornet]

nah, i can't bother with DMing everyone individually

i'll just delete the message

[pliant pasture]

sure

[half hornet]

i actually met 2 trolls within one session, its quite the record for me

before the cheating guy i first had the rule 7 breaker

he'll join in, play fnaf jumpscare sound and drop off

kinda funny actually

[deft kiln]

no

[half hornet]

on his last 3rd attempt i was quick enough to mute him, but didn't remember the name to report unfortunately

[kind swan]

The cheater as of my last encounter

Likes to join/rejoin with a different discord acc

[half hornet]

Some people have too much time and not enough decency

[twin dirge]

terminally online moment

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

Hm

[kind swan]

A committed troll

[half hornet]

How doable is R5A3 PE with bots, you reckon?

[kind swan]

No lifing ruining peoples experience in gtfo

[half hornet]

Before the accident we pretty much beaten both OV and Sec

The only spoiler left is what's after the main bulkdoor

The wobbly wibbly mr armor might prove a problem though

He always goes for the host and bots are like*"hurr durr what do i do about this"*

[velvet linden]

very doable

[rotund root]

which level has the code for the password terminal in r5c3

[fringe surge]

is there a recommended loadout for r5 c1?

if ur doing extreme

[silent kettle]

Biology Tracker

[fringe surge]

We ran bio,c-foam,mines,and burst

but incase the term door breaks it's kinda over if ur in secondary

[coarse berry]

me and my buddy did it with 3 burst sentries and bot bio

[fringe surge]

hmm

that actually might work

[coarse berry]

we only ended up using 2

saved mine for extract cause we accidentally set off the first nest room

[fringe surge]

thank you

[coarse berry]

but dont be afraid to set down all 3 to keep you covered

if you have more humans than just 2 it should be easier, the bots are kinda lazy with shooting

[fringe surge]

triple burst sentries is something I've used before several times
Dunno why I didnt think of that

[coarse berry]

yeah, personally i jsut don't think foam or mines are useful on that level

[fringe surge]

c-foam just becomes useless the moment the secondary door breaks

was always my issue

[coarse berry]

yeah i'd try 3 sentries and see if it goes better

[wary olive]

@hexed vapor thoughts on alt r5e1 vs og?

[velvet flower]

I missed OG distinfection station

[hexed vapor]

Basically the same. I might have to check that there have been no ammo buffs, but you could definitely be quite comfortable on OG if you knew what you were doing.

I think the clearest outright nerf is shadow zone due to the baseline 1/2 shadow scouts, but tbh I don't mind it at all.

It's also just a fun E-tier.

Variety of content, nothing overstays its welcome or is overwhelmingly boring, cell skip is still allowed and is based.

[chrome rivet]

R5E1 is rough

The first alarm is hard enough, can only imagine what the rest of the level is like

[late bloom]

yes first alarm can be a bit random with scan rng but not that hard honestly

[chrome rivet]

Its really only the hybrid that can really fuck you over

[velvet flower]

The first alarm is probably the hardest part

For regular route

[fringe surge]

yea I replicated this with another person

thanks alot
they didnt even get close lmao

[coarse berry]

grats

[tough atlas]

Bio bot really makes fighting shadows a breeze tbh

[half hornet]

Bishop the shadow stalker

[tough atlas]

How does the end of R5D2 work? I've seen Scaler's video for OG and he talked about 3 tanks spawning

It's not an error of tanks, right? You can just kill them then chill your way through the last zones, correct?

[wary olive]

Yes

[tough atlas]

Are last zones packed or it's also doable to just rush?

Is it just Big Chargers?

[wary olive]

They have a few sleeping chargers that's it

No big bullrushes

[tough atlas]

Thank you

[prisma zodiac]

@plain saddle

I agree with the statement of it not being that bad (honestly with recoil reverted it would be good enough)

Cscout - id prefer choke mod at this point (cleaner) but ye
Charger giant - ye
Shadow giant - sniper is better if good
Mother - for now. Scattergun soon tm
Pmother - sniper again

Honestly i dont think its overtly necessary for R3D1 duo/speeds if you chose to do the charger zone optimally. Its a good failsafe tho yea.

For r4e1 i honestly think its not needed either. But i havent played personally so unsure

[kind swan]

Soon™️

However.
Instructions unclear.
Bishop was riddled with pellets

[plain saddle]

Cscout - the big reason I say BC is the best is that you can kill from the front at ranges where choke mod would start to become inconsistent from recoil.
Shadow giant - unless you're PDW quick swapping, or the tile has insanely good lighting for it, you kinda have to wait for tongue before you know where to shoot, which is a pretty big downside. And it's not like you're losing anything by just blasting it with BC.
Mother - praise scatter gun.

For r4e1 my understanding is that it's pretty interchangeable with sniper up until you start getting to shadow zones. You really need to be able to just make the shadow giants disappear very quickly so you can keep moving.

[prisma zodiac]

c scout killing at range with burst canon is risky as hell with its recoil (also its fall off is worse)

also, whenever theres shadow giants and sniper becomes good, pdw is kinda free anyway no?

[plain saddle]

At like 20+ I wouldn't risk it with either, but between 20-10 I would with BC but not with choke mod.

PDW quick swapping requires the situation to be fairly controlled, it's a pretty big concession over just blasting.

[prisma zodiac]

the timing to quick scope swapping vs a burst is actually very similar

and 1 requires more dmg after

while the other is a kill at all ranges

[prisma zodiac]

@last gust dtr seems to have an insane ceiling in theory (and good dps) didnt use it much tho

Imo burst rifle is a good step up from pistol

Dont think HAR is that good (and dont think arbalist is S tier, rather good A). Also shotgun and high cal moved to B

Scatter gun is a questionable thing. In theory its still bonkers (if you kill 2 smalls per shot its more efficient than pump… yay. Which is not hard). Also burst cannon up

[last gust]

double-tap is one that I'm not sure on placement of, if I put time into it and found I could bring it close to its ceiling often I'd put it a lot higher

burst rifle is strong, but I also see pistol get good work in

[livid heath]

They did my boi high cal dirty

[last gust]

burst rifle is also a funky dmr in my opinion

I think HAR's being slept on. People overrate ammo, but HAR gets higher dps than pump shotgun now (and 20% more dps than the MGs), and a good reload cancel

[calm coral]

rushing is the intended strat

[prisma zodiac]

agree

[calm coral]

burst rifle > dmr

[last gust]

I can't in good faith move shotgun to B when there is no gun like it in the game

[daring pilot]

Burst rifle is DMR but not all of the damage is in 1 shot

Training wheel DMR

[last gust]

Like, burst cannon was probably the only gun that did shotgun's niche better, then they nerfed it

[livid heath]

Har?

[last gust]

heavy assault rifle

[half hornet]

Boooooo, cancel

[last gust]

Arbalist is basically veruta but with less stagger

[half hornet]

I otherwise it's just a nice rifle, definetely prefer it over main ones

[livid heath]

Ah

[last gust]

I do think veruta is the better MG, but I don't think arbalist is worse enough to bump down a tier

[prisma zodiac]

Hell na

[livid heath]

Well

They are really good in any situation

Veruta close-mid range

Arbalist in any range

Cause mowing down hybirds from across a bridge is fun

[last gust]

I definitely underrated burst cannon, again I kinda went with the "they gutted it it's bad" vibe without thinking. It's comparable to scattergun in many ways still, which I think is still a valid niche. I think both in B makes sense, even though yes the bonkers damage and potential to kill bunched-up stuff makes rating them precarious.

[last gust]

lol, you can definitely use veruta at long range

[livid heath]

Yes ik

But the arbalist has a certain kick to it

[last gust]

like, I guess from using hel rifle lately I've been reminded that you can always use more range

but at ~20m the recoil is definitely manageable by people who know the gun

[livid heath]

[last gust]

and yeah, I wrote my response to "why you doing high cal dirty" in the media thread

[livid heath]

I saw

And i know

They did high cal dirty

[last gust]

people seem to hit back with "gun's amazing against smalls", which is so strange to me

[livid heath]

Same

I would say the same

[last gust]

that's like, what new players do because they overvalue just being able to 1click smalls and don't value uptime

[livid heath]

But after it not one shotting shooters

Meh

[livid heath]

Reloads or time to move up ?

[last gust]

reloads, clip size

[livid heath]

Well

Being accurate with shots is still OP

[last gust]

you kill far more with a veruta clip, with the same reload speed

[livid heath]

But you have to be moderately woke

[livid heath]

Its on the go but still

Veruta is my go to replacement really

I even go further for that juicy 14% plus special dmgs

[last gust]

thing is, even in r7 there was some copium in the high cal v choke mod debate

you were giving up fire rate, range and precision multi for those coveted 2 extra rounds in the mag

now they've given it a bunch of extra ammo which doesn't matter

but taken away its ability to hang with the power weapons by taking away the 30 damage breakpoint

without giving it the uptime that actually matters if you want it to be a waveclear option

[livid heath]

Yeah

It is true

Rather to be a moving powerhouse then

[half hornet]

Tfw when an anti-biter weapon only

[livid heath]

Popping smols is satisfying and all

[half hornet]

Imagine existing only to delete biters and nothing else

[livid heath]

True

High cal POV:

[prisma zodiac]

fn underrates current high cal

but its definetly not strong

[livid heath]

Old high cal was a monster

[prisma zodiac]

it was good

[livid heath]

1v20 with it was a piece of cake

[subtle oriole]

It's extremely strong it's literally called high cal smh

High cal = high strong

[pliant pasture]

☝️ 💪

[hexed vapor]

@plain saddle I just don't think BC is practical enough. We're talking a handful of levels, and only for a small part of those levels. Not to mention, in speedruns there's a heavy bias towards getting through very specific sections very quickly or very safely (but still quickly), so I'd argue it's not a very compelling metric for ordinary play.

It's less versatile than choke or pump shotty, and Sniper tends to benefit more in gameplay that favors it.

I'll also always acknowledge: Specials tend to be threat-specific picks, and Mains tend to be synergy-specific picks.

Some meh Specials can still be very strong in the right situation.

Some meh Mains can be very helpful if they're just the best support for a Special weapon.

@last gust Same for HEL Rifle. It's just the best pick sometimes, but it's a lot like Sniper where it's either very cracked or very useless.

[reef talon]

Can you still burst cancel

I don't touch the weapon

[hexed vapor]

No, fixed AltR3.

[reef talon]

Then yeah

Not worth

[deft kiln]

Burst cannon is a great boss answer

[subtle oriole]

Yeah sniper is shit for so many levels, but cracked in reactor missions

[subtle oriole]

Burst cannon is amazing

[deft kiln]

Sniper is pretty good for most levels tbh

[prisma zodiac]

id argue this isnt quite true

it definetly has moments where its weaker, but its always at least ok. The only possible exception being bosses tbh

[hexed vapor]

Cracked in reactors, cracked for speed tank kills, cracked for giant-spam, etc.

[subtle oriole]

Deeper levels, for sure

[prisma zodiac]

before the recent nerf the gun was still the best in the game without burst cancel being a thing

[subtle oriole]

The "so many levels" are the higher levels that have like 2 bigs

[prisma zodiac]

honestly yea

[reef talon]

Hel rifle seems infinitely more adapatable

[prisma zodiac]

than burst cannon? Or sniper?

[tough badger]

does running sawed-off with scattergun count as "synergy"

[hexed vapor]

Killing 1-2 strikers per shot just doesn't strike me as okay compared to almost anything else in the arsenal.

[reef talon]

Than both

[hexed vapor]

NOmegalul

[deft kiln]

You need to run knife as well

[tough badger]

knife
bad

[prisma zodiac]

its worst case scenario is a level with mostly smalls (and hybrids) that dont stack up + potential bosses

Its definetly not that valuable then, but neither is standard shotty, which many agree is perfectly fine

Also, its honestly great into shooters as its the only 100% reliable way to get them down without headshots

[reef talon]

I am too sick for meta debates anyway

I will just watch

[hexed vapor]

Like, I think it says a lot that Panda argues in favor of it w/ HEL Revo, and is also using HEL Revo to clear rather hard content as basically the only wave clear w/ Sniper.

HEL Rifle just does not get very much value a lot of the time.

[prisma zodiac]

pre nerf burst cannon, nah. No way. That shit was stupid

Sniper, yea? Thats the point. Sniper is hyper specialized

[hexed vapor]

But standard shotty can be very valuable there, albeit not nearly as much as other content.

It at least has a good RoF, a large mag, and a fast reload cancel.

And it still has okay multi-target, same as HEL Rifle.

[prisma zodiac]

im not saying hel rifle is better in those situations than shotty

But its not as bad (useless) as you said. In exchange it gains insane clear vs chargers and potential insane stacked giant clear

[hexed vapor]

Also, 1x precision for hybrids.

But its not as bad (useless) as you said. In exchange it gains insane clear vs chargers and potential insane stacked giant clear
This is situational.

Which is the problem.

HEL Rifle doesn't just like those things.

It needs them.

[prisma zodiac]

the thing is, it doesnt need that insane clear to outvalue all other guns vs chargers

[hexed vapor]

Out-ecoing just doesn't matter that much, imo.

[prisma zodiac]

which gun is more reliable vs chargers (not stacked)

And when do chargers not line up? Ive seen it happen everywhere

it out ecos, out ranges, is a safe kill. Can insta delete anything stacked thats below 30hp

[deft kiln]

Hel rifle has niche use great charger answer good reactor answer

[prisma zodiac]

its not good good, i agree with it being either low A or B

but after having used it a bunch, its better than you make it seem

[hexed vapor]

I rate it high B.

[prisma zodiac]

good panic shooter answer and a if you stack stuff good vs giants

[hexed vapor]

I always have.

[prisma zodiac]

my argument was your choice of words

useless otherwise

doesnt fit

[hexed vapor]

IT KIND OF IS

[prisma zodiac]

when?

[subtle oriole]

I just hate how long it takes my prisoner to put a new mag into it

[prisma zodiac]

useless -> sniper vs smalls
Precision rifle vs bbc (or stacks of chargers)

[subtle oriole]

Like hurry up dude in trying to get serotonin from shooting here!!

[prisma zodiac]

hel pp vs tank

[hexed vapor]

It's just not a good wave response, or a big response for that matter, in the frequent situation where you don't really have good lines.

[subtle oriole]

Wait- can the hel rifle pen the tank and hit the tumors??

[hexed vapor]

Using it at that point is mostly a matter of spending your ammo.

And we already know it sucks for minibosses.

[prisma zodiac]

but then shotguns arent either

They lack range to deal with them immediatly while only being somewhat quicker in their TTK

[hexed vapor]

Choke has range.

And insane RoF.

[winter wharf]

you penetrate the tumours but only deal the damage ONCE

[prisma zodiac]

but it also doesnt have the potential pen upside and more secure killing

[winter wharf]

just to be extra clear, only once

[subtle oriole]

I mean can it pen the front of the tank? Like if it's facing you

You can hit the tumors by shooting through?

Or rather- a tumor?

[hexed vapor]

It does damage to the first hitbox

so you will do armor damage

In short, not really.

[prisma zodiac]

i do agree that hel rifle needs pen to be GOOD. But its not bad without it (hel it is very similar to pre change high cal (tho slightly weaker yes) in stats without it

But the thing is, pen is honestly not rare

it peaks on charger and reactor missions obviously

im just arguing against the „useless“

[hexed vapor]

My main issue is it's very easy to get similar or better value from other weapons.

[subtle oriole]

With the pen, the hel rifle is just absolutely busted

[hexed vapor]

Also, again from my pub experience, if I'm on HEL Rifle in situations where I can't provide much value I'm very useless.

I have never felt more handicapped

than on HEL Rifle.

[prisma zodiac]

choke mod will play the same in those situations

[subtle oriole]

#gtfo-media message

[prisma zodiac]

choke is better vs hybrids and bosses

[hexed vapor]

Hard disagree.

Choke I can at least spam the fuck out of it.

[prisma zodiac]

and kill what? 3-4 guys?

[hexed vapor]

To apply as much pressure as I can on the weapon.

YES

YOU CAN MAG DUMP

[prisma zodiac]

if you are that pushed, then hel rifle will get pen

boom 1-3 kills with 1 shot

[hexed vapor]

It just won't.

Enemies don't tend to stack that way, especially in CQC

[prisma zodiac]

the time i think hel rifle is scuffed is when you are pushed and your team is around you

cuz you are likely to collat

[hexed vapor]

Even chargers won't stack in those situations.

[prisma zodiac]

chargers line up before anyhow

which can range abuse

[hexed vapor]

They'll tend to collide, round corners, start attacks, etc.

[velvet linden]

hello devs, is penn fixed yet?
no?
oh ok maybe after break

[hexed vapor]

Also, again....

HEL Rifle takes a full 4 seconds to mag dump

And has a long reload.

[prisma zodiac]

how do you get 4?

[hexed vapor]

Choke doesn't have a short reload, but you can spend your entire mag in less than a second.

[prisma zodiac]

isnt it 0.1 + 0.75?

per shot

[hexed vapor]

It's been a while since i've done the math on it.

[prisma zodiac]

even at worst its 3.4 that way

[hexed vapor]

But I believe it worked out to be close to 0.9 seconds per shot.

3.6

5 charge-ups, 4 CDs

3.6 full seconds is a long ass time.

And again, burst matters significantly more than sustain does.

[velvet linden]

4 sec should be correct

3.6 is not accounting for the 0.1s shot delay

[prisma zodiac]

if you are in a situation where only veruta/combat shotgun and maybe arbalist/har (potentially shotty) can help you. Aka crowded close range

Then duh

The advantage is that you can thin stuff out far out, get double kills decently regularly which amps the burst for that

[prisma zodiac]

it is?

[hexed vapor]

Shot delay is unused on weapons w/ charge-ups and CDs

[velvet linden]

oh then 3.6 is correct

[velvet linden]

wait what about mgs

[hexed vapor]

I just don't value the thinning role, almost at all.

You often want to do scans.

[velvet linden]

they clearly have some form of shot delay

[hexed vapor]

If you self-isolate to leave scans, you probably want to solo waves, not just act as fire support.

And thinning at range is something a number of weapons can do w/out specializing for it.

[prisma zodiac]

which?

[hexed vapor]

Because they're automatic.

You enter the charge, shoot x shots, then leave the charge.

But on semi-autos, you leave the charge immediately after you enter it.

[prisma zodiac]

precision rifle is the only thing i could think of that is similar

[hexed vapor]

There's no shot delay within that charge, you shoot one time.

[velvet linden]

so if the shot delay is shorter than the charge-up, it doesn't matter

[hexed vapor]

HEL Gun, MGs, HAR, most Main weapons with decent range stats, High Cal, Revo, and you're able to use Choke for the role if you need to.

[deft kiln]

Yes

[prisma zodiac]

isnt that what happened with hel gun pre the nerf or am i tripping?

[hexed vapor]

HEL Gun's RoF was its charge-up.

Still is.

It's possible shot delay would have a functionality if it were longer than the charge-up + CD, but that sounds like a bug/oversight to me.

[prisma zodiac]

Hel gun, not even remotely at the same range unless you aim god
Mgs: hel no. You lose a ton of dmg at that range (also get ripped by shooters)
HAR: same here
High cal: range
Revo: see hel gun
Choke: most similar, but you start missing about halfway through hel rifle 100% kill range

[hexed vapor]

And again, if you're trying to clear the wave ahead of time, and you're maybe leaving scans to do it, any gun that's good at solo wave clear can do that.

Literally just play Combat Shotgun.

What range are we talking about?

Most combat is maybe 20m out.

Which is not significant fall-off for any weapon.

Besides pump and combat ofc.

[prisma zodiac]

if you start killing at max combat range then you have more time til stuff reaches you

Yea max range for it rarely rly matters. But again YOUR POINT WAS THAT ITS USELESS

which is what i was arguing against

[hexed vapor]

As a hard focus? Yeah, it's pretty useless.

[prisma zodiac]

hard focus?

[hexed vapor]

It's something you typically want to do on the side.

[prisma zodiac]

what are you even talking about

[hexed vapor]

Of doing anything else.

[half hornet]

Define hard focus please.

[prisma zodiac]

the gun at its absolut worst is able to still thin out waves without wasting ammo (see sniper) or only killing a few. Hel it can even get good pens in with good shots which makes it alright at it

its not GOOD like MGs or cracked like combat shotty

but that was NEVER the argument

[half hornet]

Are you debating hel rifle?

[subtle oriole]

I would say the hel rifle is bad when you get surrounded since enemies typically circle you

But if you play your cards right you can use that to your advantage and like 'em up

Bringing the hel rifle back up to being good again

[prisma zodiac]

yes it is (similar to burst cannon pre nerf). Thats peak combat shotty scenario

[half hornet]

Sniper gun worthless at close range 🤯

How could this be

[subtle oriole]

Yeah and if you're surrounded then you did something wrong with the hel rifle to get to that point

[half hornet]

Eh, not necesserily

[subtle oriole]

That gun slaps 'em

[half hornet]

Maybe you just got an unlucky ambush around a corner

And some maps are pretty bad at that

[prisma zodiac]

its definetly weak when rushed on, but it has the advantage of usually being able to make that scenario less likely by thinning out the wave at incredible range with pen shots

[subtle oriole]

I've never had this happen before, wdym?

[prisma zodiac]

its just wack cuz i agree with ray on where to place it roughly

[subtle oriole]

Like, during alarms?

[half hornet]

Maybe an error alarm

[subtle oriole]

Ah, sure

[half hornet]

Otherwise you're at the mercy of the room design

[subtle oriole]

I don't commonly replay the harder error alarms

[half hornet]

R6A1 last scan before Schaeffer monologue

[subtle oriole]

(I want to be able to refill my water bottle and unfill my bladder)

[half hornet]

Ain't no sniping there

[velvet linden]

hop on r5e1 cell skip error

[half hornet]

Or that one R1B2 scan with 2 doors and a hole in the wall

Not every map supports reliable long range enhagement, but if it does... Oh baby

Killing 3 chargers with a single shot is peak GTFO serotonin burst

And it's just a better mid-long range HCP

[hexed vapor]

Not being good is bad enough, imo.

That's all I'm really saying.

If I want to play something that's strong in a lot of those situations.

HEL Rifle is a handicap.

[deft kiln]

Not playing the level in an intended way.

You must hate video games

[velvet linden]

of course i hate video games

if i liked them, I wouldnt be playing this one

[livid heath]

I never play video games -Jack Black

[narrow gulch]

hel rifle goodd

[livid heath]

No cave man think machine gun gud

[narrow gulch]

im a har user, go away stinky

[livid heath]

Ooga booga

[pliant pasture]

nooo

i use MG

Bbecause

i am Unga

therefore

[narrow gulch]

I got you to come to the dark side yesterday

[pliant pasture]

i Bunga

[narrow gulch]

stay a while

[livid heath]

Monkey like buzzing gun recoil

[narrow gulch]

stay

FOREVER

!

[livid heath]

[pliant pasture]

Never! Herestic!! ||HAR felt really goood thoo ||

[livid heath]

Oh ga booga (bad no HAR)

[pliant pasture]

i am having a crisis of faith

[narrow gulch]

actually no wait go away

[livid heath]

[narrow gulch]

I must continue being the only har user

[pliant pasture]

if the devil rejects me, i and return to the light and (spray and) pray

[livid heath]

Uka chaca (become machine gun weilder)

[pliant pasture]

you got that song stuck in my head

[livid heath]

Never to leave MGs

Youre stuck here

Booga changa

[half hornet]

I used to like the veruta, it was cool

Then it became meta, now it's cringe

[pliant pasture]

oh good morning Artek! how has the world blighted you today?

[pliant pasture]

Unga-est Bunga ™️

[half hornet]

Aside from me only having 6 hours of sleep...

8 minutes till end of shift, entertain me

[livid heath]

Ba chan gok (arbalist gud? )

[half hornet]

Wait... I can unmeta the veruta...

No bursts, just goo brrrt

[livid heath]

Huhu Ah Ah!!! (Unmeta MG cringe)

[half hornet]

I need to think about this

[pliant pasture]

🎼 "IIII-Iii-Iii. 'm hooked on a feeling! I'm high on believing!"

[kind swan]

Dattebayo

Believe it

[subtle oriole]

The industrial revolution and its consequences, an essay.
Chapter 1: Femboys
In this essay I will

Happy end of shift 🥰

[half hornet]

Got a call last minute, lmao

[kind swan]

chapter 2: Tall Masculine Men

[real moss]

They removed the recoil, so it's even stronger now

[livid heath]

Chapter 3: Fuck gays i love men kissing

[livid heath]

Amongus

[subtle oriole]

Gay sex: broke 🤢
Gay kissing: woke 💯

[subtle oriole]

You rang? 😉

Also me -> 💀 🦴

[livid heath]

Oh wow

Thats not even GTFO

[raven flare]

ah yes the best gtfo melee weapon
the pan

[pliant pasture]

tf

[livid heath]

Since when memes were on here

[raven flare]

this is the gtfo spoiler chat so ill proceed to explain all the levels on the game

and spoil every single one of em for everyone that hanst played em

is it ok to hate this

yes

yes it is

[winter wharf]

wtf is going on here

[half hornet]

<@&408548765599793173> spam?

[winter wharf]

nooooooooooo you're supposed to DM mod contact

[subtle oriole]

Woah, please tag your spoilers

[livid heath]

Dude

You can stop now

[coarse berry]

yeah this spam is unreal saves gif saves gif saves gif saves gif

[raven flare]

not havin enough memes already, skill issue

[livid heath]

True save gifs save gifs

[deft kiln]

Can’t wait for another imbed channel to be gone

Thanks 🙏

[half hornet]

I think the perma ban will suffice for now

[hexed vapor]

Looks clean to me.

[deft kiln]

Oof

[kind swan]

Inb4 embs get removed from here

[half hornet]

Maybe, maybe not. This is like a once in a blue moon occurance.

[pliant pasture]

based

[livid heath]

Damn

[real moss]

B2 is the uplinks in sec

[tough atlas]

B2 sec is uplinks, overload is osips, secondary has error when you finish it, main is glps and shit like that

[real moss]

I'll check out the rest of Alt R5 in a month or two

[half hornet]

oooops

i brought 2 auto sentries

first cluster 3 scan, btw...

(Smacks lips) What a rotten way to die

[obtuse surge]

damn someone shat all over my screen again

thank you 10c

[winter wharf]

died at his post manning the sentry like a true soldier o7

[obtuse surge]

these guys are so slow my liquid bug went away before they got to the scan

SAVED

[half hornet]

didn't even notice the corpse, lukl

[wide lion]

how time to respawn creeps?

after go on second zone

second zone out

[winter wharf]

I think a second or two

they don't respawn all at once as far as I know

[wide lion]

for 14 sec they respawn)

[half hornet]

motherf~

me: cfoams 2 doors

sleepers: break literally anything else except those 2

well fuck you too, game

[deft kiln]

So it isn’t a time that you can know

There is a interval that checks every x amount of frames then respawns missing sleepers then it restarts

So like it can be 10 secs or you could have stepped out for half a sec and the instantly respawn

[wide lion]

i have 10sec??

[deft kiln]

Maybe there is a determinative time at spawn drop but this is probably useless information much better to play around the idea that if you aren’t spawn blocking you have probably had the room respawn

[deft kiln]

No

[deft kiln]

It can be but the timer is independent of anything you do

[wide lion]

i have 9/59?)

9.95

[deft kiln]

No the timer is independent

[wide lion]

??

we respawn after i go out?

for second?

1*

[deft kiln]

It can

[winter wharf]

The timer does not depend on when you leave the room
it is always running and always checking

[deft kiln]

It doesn’t matter what you do

The timer is running so unless you know the first interval and the rate you won’t be able to predict

Tbh idk who handles the calculation

Weather it is host or everyone

Probs host?

[wide lion]

they respawn for nine second

i check

[deft kiln]

They why you ask if you sure?

Idk man

The interval is also a changing between reaper zones. idk if it is use in vanilla

[tough badger]

If you've gone far enough away to trigger respawns it's just safe to assume they've happened

[deft kiln]

Yeah only safe sometimes you luck out sometimes you don’t

[wide lion]

i

check

after8 no

on 9.40 respawn

[deft kiln]

The interval is in the data blocks just check there

You can control f for it

[obtuse surge]

do this irl:

[deft kiln]

Wesley I am not crazy right the timer is independent of player actions

[obtuse surge]

Crazy? I Was Crazy Once. They Locked Me In A Room. A Rubber Room. A Rubber Room With Rats. And Rats Make Me Crazy.

[deft kiln]

Okay just send me the cell seeding data from r5b1 secondary

And be done with it

[obtuse surge]

we will never run B1 secondary

[deft kiln]

It is gonna be so much fun

[hallow lark]

Any Error alarms on R5A2?

[deft kiln]

Yeah

End of main

[hallow lark]

which one?

[deft kiln]

Gl

[hallow lark]

Just that?

[deft kiln]

Yup

[hallow lark]

ok thx

[obtuse surge]

put your sentry in the respawn room for another one

[deft kiln]

But hypothetically how often would that wave come

[obtuse surge]

😹

[deft kiln]

A specific interval by chance

[obtuse surge]

https://tenor.com/view/math-sesh-anime-cute-please-gif-21348204

why does it flash

get flashed

[half hornet]

Are there any interesting cell skips to be done in R5A3?

[deft kiln]

No

[half hornet]

I don't really need the disenfection door so i have a free cell now

Do i just ignore it then?

[deft kiln]

yeah

[obtuse surge]

go drop it in the void

[deft kiln]

You won’t ever get enough cells to make overload faster

[half hornet]

okay

[deft kiln]

You have to go to the last room no matter what

[half hornet]

don't know what that means but whatever

[obtuse surge]

you also dont have a key

[half hornet]

i already finished overload, just was wondering i i should have bishop carry this thing everywhere

(it makes it harder for him to shoot)

[obtuse surge]

or used it already

[deft kiln]

I forgot

[half hornet]

did the bot really just traded tool refill for a 3rd medkit...

these guys, i fucking sweare

[obtuse surge]

kill them

[hallow lark]

Lemme guess... Overload is avail when hisec starts?

in r5A2?

[deft kiln]

Yup

Gl

[hallow lark]

GODDAMMIT

Fucking Mother

[astral ferry]

haha funny

boss enemy in a-tier

[tough badger]

Another one bites the dust

[tough badger]

r5 balance strikes again

[hallow lark]

I hate fucking Mothers

[half hornet]

On a side-note: i don't know if i should be disappointed or more angry at that cheater i had, because turns out snatchers are not normal for this level.

[tough badger]

Oh
Yeah

That's not normal lmao

Where'd they spawn them?

[hallow lark]

I was NOT expecting a Snatcher AND a mother in A2

[daring pilot]

R5A2 moment

[half hornet]

They would just randomly drop them during overload

[hallow lark]

ARGH! I hate Mothers (2nd from Shadow)

[tough badger]

R5A2 overload remains one of the funniest objectives of all time

[hallow lark]

I was gunna run into Overload in A2... Only to see babies... and then the room woke

and then a stream of babies coming out of that room as I panic shooting at them

[daring pilot]

Yeah it’s scary especially for you

[tough badger]

Yeap
And it's always worked like that

[daring pilot]

They do a loud telegraphed scream

So for you it was a super nasty surprise

[hallow lark]

Yup

Fucking hell

[hallow lark]

At least it wasnt as bad as THAT hellish certain room

[daring pilot]

what room?

ohright >:3

My room

[hallow lark]

where a baby woke and walked all over PMother and didnt wake the room up

[tough badger]

When I first played the game with my experienced friends we were all blind, I got left holding the hisec in the door as the only one who didn't know what the scream meant

[hallow lark]

Clenched my ass to stab it

[daring pilot]

God I remember watching that

[hallow lark]

I probably lost a few years of my life to that baby alone

[daring pilot]

:3

Yeah I really trolled you with that

[tough badger]

R7E1?

[daring pilot]

Nah, a level of my design

[hallow lark]

fucking baby danced around PMother

[tough badger]

Ah

Sounds cursed lol

[daring pilot]

He streamed it for me and I was cackling as he opened a certain door

[hallow lark]

its FUCKING cursed. It was SUPER densed, more so than he expected so he had to double check his spawns

[daring pilot]

I don’t think I changed it lmao

[hallow lark]

You did change the number of shadow scouts tho

[daring pilot]

well yea

[hallow lark]

since when I streamed, there was 4 of em

in that one room

It was literally a decision between Shadows or 1 Pmom

Worst decision of my life in ur level Dak

[daring pilot]

It’s just how I associate enemies

I so heavily associate chargers with tanks. So shadows end up getting thrown in with birthers

[hallow lark]

Yea... Cackling like a madman watching a deaf person about to go into the worst possible option

[half hornet]

I'm gonna be honest: these reskins are kinda lame

Except the armor of course, but still

Give me space marine armor please

[deft kiln]

who is that pokemon

[lyric knot]

I cant find the bulkhead dc for overload in r5a2, is it gone or am i missing something?

when i list bulkhead the only one that shows up is the first one in zone 15 with secondary and main

[astral ferry]

r5a2 doesn't have bulkhead for overload, door unlocks upon cargo pickup

[lyric knot]

Oh ok thank you i was losing my mind running in circles

[subtle oriole]

Yeah they kind of imply that when you find the door

It's like "use query bulkhead ERR53!XW7"

Or whatever the gtfo error message style looks like

[subtle oriole]

So how was overload? Get it done? 😉

[deft kiln]

R5a2 best level

[vernal stratus]

Wasted opportunity to add snatcher error

[atomic escarp]

Snipechu

[livid heath]

Imagine if player collision was a thing

Id be doing this 24/7

[solemn wigeon]

Bulbasaur

[livid heath]

@ivory sundial

[ivory sundial]

Cat

[obtuse surge]

insta queue in matchmaking rn

too bad these devs suck

and it breaks everytime

cuz they queueing with multiple people which isnt actually supported

GG after 6 times theres actually 4 ppl in the lobby

nvm cheater

its joever

i love gtfo matchmaking

[half hornet]

then why do you keep trying, again?

science projects?

[subtle oriole]

Bro is like "why doesn't this work" and then tries it again 🤨

[obtuse surge]

the discord isnt better

[livid heath]

[livid heath]

This mf if he was in GTFO @prisma zodiac

[prisma zodiac]

dont know it

[livid heath]

Mf build like a hybird but both taller and has more ferocity than a tank

And he blocks your bullets by his wings

[errant vigil]

He has terrible AI too so he would work out in GTFO

[livid heath]

Nah

He smells you and hears you well

Even with camouflage and or going invis he still gets you

[livid heath]

His acid puke suck ass though

[pliant pasture]

if they added more small enemies to the game, what could the be like?
Right now they only have the 4 from R1 and the new one from R6

• Striker
• Shooter
• Charger
• Shadow
• Flyer
• ||Babies||
  This is a topic brought up months ago, enemy variety is the spice of life. so what else could we come up with? new boss enemies are cool, they can add some spice to a level or two. but new small enemies *can be used through multiple alarms in ever level if they wanted.

what doo we got? what other games have small enemies that could add to the diversity of the cast?

[livid heath]

Best i can think of is a pack leader type of enemies

Not like the birther

This mf exist to solely jump around and be like a living error alarm that you have to kill or else

[pliant pasture]

but could you have it spawn in during alarms?

[livid heath]

Can also fight him like running and fighting pablo on R7E1

[livid heath]

Im talking like a whole level that have it

If enemies that would spawn in rooms or alarms

Then element typed enemies are the way to go

[pliant pasture]

nooo pokemon typing is a bridge too far

[livid heath]

And enemy that burst into infectious gas on death

Or enemies that consume the other dead ones are alive ones to become more stronger

I am imagining a enemy that is basically a mini boss

That kills and eats it unders

[pliant pasture]

enemies that deal infection is pretty supported by hat the game does

[livid heath]

Have the ability to roll/slide jump to dodge incoming bullets

[pliant pasture]

also, are babies as an alarm enemy just cruel?

[livid heath]

Like a very glutinous monster

[livid heath]

Nah

Hel pistol go brrr

And its so easy to line them up too

[pliant pasture]

an enemy that attacks in a V instead of a |, so didging it means backing up instead of strafing

[errant vigil]

inb4 people spawn cap with them

[pliant pasture]

ohhh right, def gotta make them move faster than regulars

hmmm just a thought

its tough tho, cause charger + striker + shooter cover all the ranges of engagement in this game

[livid heath]

I mean

[hearty escarp]

So R5C1, my friend and I play with bots and died on the final code of the second scan, we'll do better next time but I looked it up and there's an error alarm to the exit right? Any tips for making our way through the stealth rooms without pissing them off or are we supposed to pull the room and sprint to the exit?

[livid heath]

Look up YouTube for trepang2 moth man fight

[winter wharf]

standard situation is stand 2 rooms away from the big room (so error alarm enemies can't scream and wake it up)
Clear the error wave quickly, then get to extract ASAP

[pliant pasture]

tldr; what Pachi said

||hmmm the error is 3-4 enemies every 30 seconds?
an awake enemy can only scream if they are within 1 room of where you are.
so if you want to get through them quietly you gotta plan for going in between error waves. know your best route helps. and waiting 2 rooms away until you get a back spawn makes it easy.
once you get a back spawn, close the doors behind you and hurry through, that should give you enough time to get 2 rooms away on the other side so they don't scream in the respawn room behind you||

[subtle oriole]

The waves are intervals, and you should hear a scream as the wave spawns

Use that info to leave a room to deal with the 3 nerds that show up and then continue to stealth 🙂

[livid heath]

When the 10 charger scouts is boop @deft kiln

[deft knot]

baby shooters

[pliant pasture]

eh, i am hoping for new enemies not variants. small hybrids might be cute

[coarse berry]

didn't the game files have audio for screamers and exploders

what about those

[half hornet]

Hm, hard to come up with anything unique

[coarse berry]

if we get a baby version of an already existing enemy im gonna scream