gtfo-spoiler-chat

[primal patio]

tried

[deft kiln]

just get a bot to pick it up for you

the bot can pick it up through wall

[primal patio]

bots dont get item on alarm

[deft kiln]

unfo

LOL

mb forgot about error

get fucked i guess

[primal patio]

completed 90% of lvl to be wiped from bug...love it...

[deft kiln]

no worries you got it

very good level

[primal patio]

i was mad cuz died a lot on first surge with randoms...completed it with bots and cleared first error alarm with them(with cell zone)

sometimes random scans fuck me, sometimes...teammates

[tough atlas]

How does the R5E1 fog start work?

Would it make sense to have me drop alone then give code to everyone so they skip the fog?

Or they still get fogged while dropping?

[nocturne flax]

You start by dropping on the level

and take it like the prisioner you'are

[wary olive]

[winter wharf]

yeah I'd just take the infection because that's kinda the point

[tough atlas]

But doing that would skip the infection or not?

[winter wharf]

I do not know

[nocturne flax]

you can skip the infection after you finish the first error alarm!

theres a disinfection station

and fog repellers

so you can safely continue foward

[winter wharf]

did they remove fog repellers from the mission like they did from r2/r4 e1

or do you still get near enough the same

[nocturne flax]

You still get the same amounts

probably even more if im been honest

[winter wharf]

the curse of e1s is broken then

[tough atlas]

Dude yes we know

You get that bug

[wide lion]

😦

[tough atlas]

You've posted it a lot of times

I cant help you, and I dont think it's game-related but more your ISP

[wide lion]

it`s all not copy))

all new 😄

[tough atlas]

It'd be interesting to test IF you can join games in progress instead

But I'd ask someone to host, I dont know, and R1A1 lobby to test that

[real moss]

Stay calm @tough atlas !!!

[tough atlas]

I am calm.

[real moss]

he means no harm

😂

[tough atlas]

I just dont see why he cant ask someone to test this with

maybe in an R1A1 lobby or something

[real moss]

I think he has trouble connecting with people

[real moss]

😂😂

[tough atlas]

He doesn't need to join R5D2 lobbies, muted, streaming for testing that...

At a certain point it starts being a bit annoying

[real moss]

I would just use my kick mod to kick him out

[tough atlas]

On the other hand R5C2 is probably the first time that I'll just do a map main and dont bother

I didnt even try to play that again I really cant muster the strenght

[real moss]

you can do it m8

I believe in you. It's just one more PE

[tough atlas]

I'd rather do R5E1 since I never played it 😦

[real moss]

Patience is a virtue

[plush basin]

I've only cleared out the R5 A tier 🙊

[real moss]

Same. not playing GTFO atm.

kinda burnt out

[plush basin]

Need to finish R4E1 first

we are so close

[real moss]

Oh no I know it by heart, that's not an issue. I just don't feel like gtfo atm

Later probably

[winter wharf]

I'm just gonna come out and say it

current version is gtfo is more boring

[real moss]

If I wait long enough I might have R6 as well and have more than 2 days of "content"

I'll have 3 😭

[plush basin]

The old version is just kinda jank to go back to though. Would love it if they didn't fuck up enemy distribution and stuff

[winter wharf]

yeah there's a bit of adjustment needed but man is it nice to have good movement back, and the old hammers

[nocturne flax]

r5 went to a decent rundown to a boring rundown

only level thats the same its r5e1

also for some reason optimization when to shit

i had to crank cpu culling to high

[real moss]

I mean I still love R5A2

[nocturne flax]

I dont count A levels

[real moss]

Will see bout rest later

[tough atlas]

I dont think it has anything to do with enemy distribution or stuff like that for me

It just feels like I'm doing the same shit all over again

[primal patio]

you can beat more then half of r5e1 with bots without kiting....only 3rd error alarm and tank will be problematic

exclude some weird e-tier solo runs/tactics

and its little weird for e-tier(still can fully clear r2e1 before error alarm without weird foam ladder strat)

[kind swan]

People sure like to coom on ladders here.

[wide lion]

mode for noobs)_

[kind swan]

Keep that ladder kink outta here

[half hornet]

I know that im excited to replay R6 either way. Most of my fsv levels are there and I'm interested to see what they will change

[wary olive]

why is that weird?

[half hornet]

Except C2, D2 and D3...

[primal patio]

cuz its easier then with most of players xD

[wary olive]

same could be said with r2e1 depending on the players you find

[primal patio]

in r2e1 much easier to carry then in r5e1...maybe...

[kind swan]

Instructions unclear. I downed my team

[primal patio]

good strats makes r2e1 very easy, but in r5e1 you have less time, less breaks and start is very shitty

[half hornet]

What, even shittier than R2?

[primal patio]

and r5e1 dont have that many strats, that will make it more beatable

[primal patio]

surge with 15 hp xD

fun times...

[half hornet]

Fuck me...

[primal patio]

Good work. Mission complete, extraction available

[vestal lance]

Skill issue

[calm coral]

ehh ladder foaming is kinda cheesy unless you foam the floor

foaming ladder makes everything too easy smh

[primal patio]

boring, want my pew-pew

[primal patio]

it makes everything boring thats all

[calm coral]

enemies vibing waiting for their friend to get unfoamed before they can go down: 🪩💃

[tough badger]

I'd frown on it more in r2e1 if it wasn't just "the exact same shit you've done twice already but with fog this time"

[pliant pasture]

R2E1 is a bit samey.

[deft kiln]

Same tbh.

[coarse berry]

yeah it runs BAD

d1 in particular

[calm coral]

error is kinda fun though

it’s just the start which is tedious

also the shadow side zones don’t match the level imo

[pliant pasture]

agreed, its just the first 60-75% of the level thats boring

@atomic escarp
where did you stand for reactor?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585063132553281556/1120812425483124838/image.png

[atomic escarp]

the bridge cant do anything cheesy since i wont have enough time to do code and restock

[pliant pasture]

far side or reactor side?

[atomic escarp]

mid way and back to reactor in case shit hits the fan which will with the ungodly amount of chargers

[tough badger]

always use the forklift to establish dominance

[pliant pasture]

impressive tbh, i assume the bots just try to tank hybrid shots

[atomic escarp]

they dodge most of em but get hit regardless

this lvl sucks big time

well ovl at least then the longest secondary in history

[calm coral]

wait @coarse berry we can actually talk here lmao

slowmode in the media one

btw heavy smg and pr would go into poor in most situations for me

wait no pr could go into very situational

sawed off is a strange one, personally I want to put it in amazing situationally but honestly it’s too situational for that

@pliant pasture open to opinions

also yeah I think arbalist is better than veruta

[pliant pasture]

i strongly disagree with that

[calm coral]

fair

I think veruta has a strong side in stagger potential

but arb does the damage more reliably for me

[coarse berry]

where'd you make this list, I wanna make one

[calm coral]

I guess it could go into amazing situational because it’s awesome for surges

[calm coral]

oh just go onto tiermaker and search gtfo

there’s a bunch of templates

I should make my own tho bc it’s missing some

pdw as well

I’ll make my own tomorrow

getting late

I’ll send the new template to you guys if I finish it

[narrow gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585063132553281556/1109541554193969152/image.png mine from a while ago

[calm coral]

there’s level tier lists as well so I’ll fill some of those out as well I guess

[narrow gulch]

I want to fill one of those out for 1-5/7

ngl

[calm coral]

oh wow i’m missing hi cal as well

[pliant pasture]

its stagger is a gravy, it has more damage per refill, and more DPS.

[calm coral]

this template is shite

[pliant pasture]

wait for R6?

[calm coral]

nah for weapons actually in the game rn

is what he means I think

[narrow gulch]

the damage per refill is about the same rn

[pliant pasture]

or just make 2

[narrow gulch]

nah

levels

[calm coral]

exactly the same I believe

[narrow gulch]

its like 2 off

[calm coral]

they reworked them to have identical dps and ammo economy afaik

[narrow gulch]

so basically it doesnt matter

[calm coral]

damn yeah

that’s gonna be a huge one though

imma do them per tier instead

like

a b c d e

5 lists

[pliant pasture]

oh, very close ya

oh ya, then it is pure taste. huh

[plush basin]

damn I wish these had the gun names on, I'm not good at recognising them

[pliant pasture]

same, i keep double checking two models aren't the same gun

[prisma zodiac]

Machine gun dmg/refill (and mag) is basically the same :|

[pliant pasture]

ya, til

[prisma zodiac]

Rifle/dmr underrated, burst rifle overrated

Pdw overrated (tho same tier imo). Revolver underrated

Otherwise mostly agree

[pliant pasture]

But honestly that's OK for more guns to be like that.

[prisma zodiac]

if anyone reminds me tmrw then i might just make a tierlist for all guns

if nobody does it by then

[narrow gulch]

I just cant get over pdw w reload cancel

[prisma zodiac]

its insane yea

easily best full auto main

but having it above carbine?

idk chief

[narrow gulch]

oh

I dont do tiers in order

[prisma zodiac]

ahh

[narrow gulch]

im weird

[prisma zodiac]

well then ignore pdw point

then only rifle/dmr underrated and burst rifle overrated

burst rifle is solid

but dmr and rifle are strong af

[kind swan]

[prisma zodiac]

honestly the 2 guns im gonna need some time to rank are double tap and sawed off

[kind swan]

When Rifle's Damage profile is similar to HAR

[prisma zodiac]

i think sawed off is very unique now

[narrow gulch]

sawed off is pretty good now but id still just use hel shotty

I need to look at double taps stats some more

I havent touched it yet but I used it in original

[kind swan]

Ngl I've been running HAR/Sawed off

[narrow gulch]

I ran HAR/hel shotty for all of r5 besides e1 where it was hel rifle/hel shotty

[kind swan]

Hel shotty is probably a safer bet ngl

Sawed offs biggest downfall is 3 ammo cap and then you gotta swap off. Or commit the reload

[prisma zodiac]

havent played enough yet, but i wouldnt call sawed off good yet

More having an actual niche

[narrow gulch]

it gets SO much ammo now

[kind swan]

I've used it as a Pocket Shotgun

[narrow gulch]

only reason its "good"

[prisma zodiac]

didnt its ammo get nerfed?

[kind swan]

Yeah

Idk the value changes

[prisma zodiac]

i dont remember the value

[kind swan]

But it isn't as much as it used to be for sure

[narrow gulch]

pretty much, it gets the same damage per refill as regular shotgun now

but its a main

[prisma zodiac]

yea

its a niche

honestly might be pretty good against charger errors if you still want other options

But then, why not just take hel revo

its niche rn is gonna be chargers as a main

[narrow gulch]

until hel revo gets any nerf the argument will always be why not just take hel revo

[kind swan]

Iirc. Didn't they fix/changed Hel revo's reload animation but it turned into an unexpected buff because reload cancel got faster?

Or at least visually looks faster

[prisma zodiac]

theres guns with advantages

[kind swan]

helpp Supremacy

[narrow gulch]

not significant enough ones imo

[prisma zodiac]

dmr, pdw, carbine, hel shotty

then again, those are my top 6 with hel revo (and rifle)

[kind swan]

What's insignificant enough for you to put the F rating on?

[prisma zodiac]

putting up an F rank depends on how you define it

[narrow gulch]

personally, I should remake mine

cuz most guns in this game shouldnt even be in D

[kind swan]

Bad gun. Don't use.

[prisma zodiac]

theres currently none where im gonna be „dont use“

rather „shouldnt use“

[kind swan]

Off the top of my head. The only gun I actively don't choose

Be bullpup

[prisma zodiac]

theres guns i avoid

bullpup being one

[narrow gulch]

itd be a choice between pr, bullpup, or smg for me

[prisma zodiac]

honestly, pr at least has a niche albeit small

[narrow gulch]

ye

[tough atlas]

I always forget the existence of AR/SMG/Bullpup and Pistol

[kind swan]

Pr has Niche uses and has a strength in seeing enemies at range regardless of light or dark

[tough atlas]

I remember that HEL Autopistol and MP exist but I rarely take them

[narrow gulch]

pr is unique enough theres some spots where id go "yeah maybe pr would be nice here"

[tough atlas]

PR is good in low visibility conditions where range is also allowed

[narrow gulch]

smg and bullpup are just too overshadowed cuz main autos are funny

[tough atlas]

I used it on R4E1

So I dont shit on that tbh

[coarse berry]

PR shines on r4e1

[kind swan]

If anything I'd just place PR in the Mid

[tough atlas]

Problem I have with tierlisting weapons/tools in this game is that you either make a very broad generalization or you end up having a "useful but only in those maps" tier, a "decent always" and a "always shit"

[kind swan]

[tough atlas]

I rarely see people use SMG because for the situations that it's supposed to be good at you have better choices anyway

[kind swan]

Give PR its 12 round mag back

[prisma zodiac]

mostly just pdw being there

[tough atlas]

Yes the point is kinda that

[coarse berry]

no reason ever to over PDW

[kind swan]

If yall had to choose between MP or SMG

[tough atlas]

To be fair

[kind swan]

Which one.

[coarse berry]

machine pistol

[tough atlas]

let's suppose they nerf PDW, if map doesn't ahve shadows I'd pick a Carbine

[tough atlas]

Depends on the rest of the team's loadout

If there's already an MP, I'd take SMG

[kind swan]

A team player I see.

[tough atlas]

Monke strong together

[kind swan]

Out of the 2. I'd take MP

While I like the design of SMG

[tough atlas]

4 MP Prisoners running in da Hood

[kind swan]

MP just feels better/next to better flashlight

[tough atlas]

If you asked me what I think it's more FUN, I'd answered MP

[coarse berry]

flashlight choices in this game are weird

[tough atlas]

Like, if FUN is a factor I'd take HSMG, Rifle... perhaps Bullpup a lot more

[coarse berry]

MP has a long range one, bullpup has a short range one

[kind swan]

Eh

I don't remember bullpup having a short range one

[coarse berry]

it's got the 2nd shortest gun light

PDW has 2nd longest gun light but has an effective range of 6 metres

[kind swan]

There are 2 variants of the lights iirc

Tight and wide ones

[tough atlas]

and headlamps, right?

[kind swan]

Like SMG/Revolver/Shotgun S870

[coarse berry]

yeah bullpup has the 13m slightly wider

[kind swan]

Wide/short

[coarse berry]

no i think that ones all the same, that's the shortest range one

[kind swan]

Yeah

It's wide and short

[coarse berry]

i forgot revolver has that

brutal

[kind swan]

It is

Snipers flashlight actually changed iirc

It's flashlight got tighter iirc

[hexed vapor]

P sure there's at least 4-5 different lights.

Yeah, 5 p sure.

Not including default.

[coarse berry]

shotgun/super short light, the two medium range lights (one is tighter and longer), the wide-ass flashlight on the MG's/PDW and sniper light

[kind swan]

By 2 variants I meant wide/tight versions but yeah

[late bloom]

it does have same damage as normal shotgun right ?

[hexed vapor]

30, yeah.

[deft kiln]

cell skip is pretty fun tbh

[hexed vapor]

Y'all runnin' it rn?

[kind swan]

Sawed off range is shorter tho ain't it?

[deft kiln]

yeah just finished

[hexed vapor]

Cell skip is one of the more unique routing decisions in this game tbh.

[deft kiln]

i like it

makes the level fun

[hexed vapor]

P sure, yeah.

Not sure its exact stats.

It at least has more spread.

[pliant pasture]

which level?

[hexed vapor]

R5E1 cell skip.

[deft kiln]

?

[pliant pasture]

had cell skip i meant

[deft kiln]

yeah you use the first cell on the 2nd gen

all that happens mainly

[velvet linden]

how do i cell skip all of rundown 5

[pliant pasture]

oh hell ya, skip dis, skip charger error, and skip 1/2 of giant error ya?

[deft kiln]

Ya but you have to go through mom zone

With error

[pliant pasture]

err is second cell door 1 of 2 on the giant errors?

[deft kiln]

Yup

[narrow gulch]

did you get through mom no scream?

[deft kiln]

Weridly enough this error can be deactivated from the spawn terminal

[deft kiln]

We just killed them

[narrow gulch]

figured that would end up being the strat

zone isnt THAT bad

howd you have enough ammo?

[pliant pasture]

gotta find a trio selling hard carries

[narrow gulch]

or did you stealth tank instead

[hexed vapor]

Giant alarm does that, right?

[deft kiln]

Yeah

[hexed vapor]

I don't think anyone has ever actually used that feature

[deft kiln]

It is werid tbh

[hexed vapor]

but it exists.

[narrow gulch]

its used in solo I think

[deft kiln]

You can use it to turn off surge

[narrow gulch]

could they not have just assigned it to the same terminal in the end zones

[hexed vapor]

P sure it's intentional

As a reward for clearing tank + mom zones.

But it's hella wacky.

[narrow gulch]

I mean you could just send someone back either way

[winter wharf]

when someone looked into the game code, they had duplicated tank blood door (which starts an error and has a DEACTIVATE command attached) to create a new zone and then forgot to change it I guess

[hexed vapor]

Huh

Age old bug, then.

[pliant pasture]

isnt the gap between triggering the second giant error and the final surge alarm like 2 rooms of sleepers?

[hexed vapor]

It'd mostly be helpful for making the surge setup less hectic

Which you really don't need, but it's an option.

[winter wharf]

Giant error (tank blood door) opens door into big charger zone to grab cell, then you have to do the alarm to get into the next zone with the surge

[pliant pasture]

ahh its 2 zones to clear before final surge. thats a bit closer of a decision with normal pathing

[hexed vapor]

You have to open second zone (or start the alarm?) to activate the terminal.

So it's only one zone, and the one that's easiest to clear.

[deft kiln]

We used the spawn terminal

But it is just werid tbh

[winter wharf]

primo 10cc level design

[pliant pasture]

i mean, opening up more pathing options is just kinda neat. its why R7D1 is still my favorite despite everything.

[deft kiln]

R7d1

The best level

Class 10 skip is my fav

[mossy cloak]

he probably means without the extreme 🙂

R7D1 is fine but extreme is cringe

[pliant pasture]

i wouldn't mind more clumsy level design if it gave us more choices.

[pliant pasture]

with or without overload

[deft kiln]

Overload and it is still just a good level

[mossy cloak]

well idk about you guys but this level is cursed in my eyes always something bad happens and charger scouts are pretty quirky sometimes

[deft kiln]

you dont have to interact with charger scouts if you class 10 skip

[pliant pasture]

its why R7D1 is still my favorite

despite everything.

[mossy cloak]

i don't remember the level much how do you skip the class 10?

[pliant pasture]

[deft kiln]

Well you pull error section go then pull the room scan. Once the room scan starts you can pull the class 10 then deactivate everything all at once

You skip both tank and moms zones and all you need to do is fight your way through a” mild” error and maybe one wave of chagers

[mossy cloak]

so you're doing the class 10 while doing the room scan which is blocking the class 10 spawns

[deft kiln]

Na

Pulling the room scan opens the door to class 10 charger

[mossy cloak]

oh

[deft kiln]

So you can skip room@scan and class 10

[mossy cloak]

is that intended?

[deft kiln]

Nope

not even close I don’t think

[mossy cloak]

sounds boring the class 10 is fine imo

[deft kiln]

Yeah but you run out of ammo and you can’t immediately pull the object terminal if you do it that way

So it is a time save

[mossy cloak]

you don't run out of ammo

[deft kiln]

Sure

[mossy cloak]

mom zone is a little quirky and tank zone is just fine

[deft kiln]

Time loss ?

[mossy cloak]

maybe tank zone a little annoying because you can't kill much in there because of giant chargers

i thought we were talking about why the level is fun

[deft kiln]

Yeah

[pliant pasture]

the level is fun because of the modality

is my point

[deft kiln]

Playing it as little as possible is fun

[mossy cloak]

i mean if you like speedrunning and avoiding all the time loss go ahead

[pliant pasture]

exactly

its got something for everyone

you can even do the full room scan if you are feeling straight forward

[mossy cloak]

but it sounds weird that you have to cheese a level to enjoy it

[west crow]

My computer doesn't enjoy the level

[winter wharf]

you either cheese the level or cheese yourself out of time you could be spending doing anything better than playing this god forsaken game

[deft kiln]

“Cheese”

You should try it

[mossy cloak]

maybe or maybe not

[winter wharf]

but is it made with cow, goat, or sheep milk?

[west crow]

Are you saying that rushing d1 is cheesing?

[winter wharf]

any subversion of game mechanics/non intended paths are cheese, cell skip is cheese too

[mossy cloak]

skipping part of a level throught an unintended route is cheesing yeah

[west crow]

It's intended

Otherwise the door would just be locked

You can either do the class 10 or go side path to make it a class 5

[mossy cloak]

we're talking about 10CC oversight do happen

[west crow]

That's not an oversight

Its designed that way

[winter wharf]

if it was a problem they surely would've patched it

just like how they had years to patch cell skip for ALT r5

[west crow]

They ain't touching that level ever

[olive shoal]

they left cell skip in intentionally tho

they knew abt it in bh

[mossy cloak]

well they didn't patch cell skip because it was too good

[west crow]

Cell skip isn't an exploit

[mossy cloak]

people actually loved cell skip

[west crow]

People like doing d1 without doing side zones

[winter wharf]

ok but if it was too good to be patched then why is burst cancelling gone

[mossy cloak]

and it actually is another route with a different and interesting draw back

[west crow]

This is not a good point

[winter wharf]

I know it's not

[mossy cloak]

but D1 is just oh shit i don't wanna do thoses challenging rooms lemme just go to a side zone and not have to deal with 1/3rd of the level 😎

[west crow]

It's subjective if you think the drawback is interesting or not

But the extra 5 scans is exactly that

[deft kiln]

I mean

[west crow]

The drawback of not doing the side zones

[half hornet]

How bad are the skipped rooms

[west crow]

Omg hi artek

How is r5

[deft kiln]

You should try it

[half hornet]

are we talking just lots of smalls, shadows, giants, inf fog...

[deft kiln]

You won’t call it cheese

Tbh LOL

[west crow]

It depends if you're doing the shadow or the charger scans

Both have different side zones

[winter wharf]

cell skip commits you to playing on high infection, with less resources, with an error alarm going

so you can skip 2 error alarms/item searches later (charger zones, shadow zone, big charger zone/tank fight)

[half hornet]

Eh, its alright. There is another L from me somewhere above. R5A2 OV moment.
So far can't find time to play it - i'm trying to finish a certain hobby project and then start a long and gruelous journey of... Reinstalling my system and upgrading from Win7 to Win10 before Steam revokes my gaming priveleges

[winter wharf]

having the error alarm going means you're probably gonna pull 2 mothers, a tank, and some big chargers as well

[half hornet]

So you trade time for difficulty

[mossy cloak]

you're also more or less forced to fight the 2 mom room as well yeah

[half hornet]

Well, you know what i'm picking

[winter wharf]

pretty much, yeah

[mossy cloak]

yeah R7E1 cell skip is a trade for time and difficulty

[winter wharf]

you put yourself in a tight situation

[mossy cloak]

but from what i'm hearing R5D1 cheese seems to just remove time and difficulty for free

[west crow]

It's not entirely free

You're pretty limited on res if you do the double rush

Playing an extended scan

It has a cost trade off in theory

[wary olive]

whats the r5d1 cheese

[deft kiln]

You should try it

[deft kiln]

R7d1

[wary olive]

whats the r7d1 cheese

[west crow]

His point is doing the two class 10s are cheese since you skip the side zones

[olive shoal]

please dont say the T word beep im so tired man

[wary olive]

oh

[deft kiln]

No

It is better than that

[west crow]

What's the t word

[olive shoal]

theory

[deft kiln]

You can do the error and deactivate the class 10 and the room scan

[half hornet]

Oh, that's how i cleared my 7d1

The squads kept viping on the sideroom terminal hunt, so in the end we just bruteforced it

[west crow]

Please don't use the T word Beth I'm so tired

[olive shoal]

my bad

[wary olive]

Wouldn't both of those not be cheese because they are designed to be able to be done that way

[deft kiln]

No

It is the “cheese” where you use deactivate alarms to deactivate the class 10

[wary olive]

Oh

[west crow]

Oh was that his point?

[wary olive]

Beep said doing both class 10s someone was calling cheese

[west crow]

I thought he was just talking about doing the class 10s

[deft kiln]

That is mine point

He is calling it cheese

[west crow]

I don't think you're supposed to be able to use the deactivate alarms command for the class 10

[deft kiln]

Your not but it isn’t easy to do

[pliant pasture]

ya, what jojo is calling cheese is harder than the rest of the level. by a lot.

[solemn wigeon]

I hate cheese >:(

[lyric knot]

Doing r7d1 without deactivating the class 10s is like doing r7e1 without kiting the tank, its just way too difficult to be practical.

[west crow]

Kiting which tank

[solemn wigeon]

I don't remember enough about r7d1 to verify this claim

[lyric knot]

The one that can't be killed

[west crow]

You're supposed to kite him

Or I guess stare at him

I think both count as the same thing

[deft kiln]

You don’t understand what I am talking about

[solemn wigeon]

Staring is less fun tho

[lyric knot]

I hopped in mid convo I actually don't know what you are talking about

[mossy cloak]

deactivating the alarm also deactivate the class 10 if it's pulled

[solemn wigeon]

Very heavy cheese

People did that in r6d3 too right

[lyric knot]

I'm still not following, like you start the class 10 and then go into the error zone?

[mossy cloak]

yeah

and then deactivate the class 10 alarm

and the error as well

[winter wharf]

error so you can deactivate alarms on terminal
pull alarm
deactive alarms

[deft kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVTE-tYy8k

[lyric knot]

What is the difference between doing that and just going to the error zone?

[mossy cloak]

it's a collateral is easier words

[mossy cloak]

difference is class 10 alarm is gone poof

[pliant pasture]

you have to forward push through through waves that are loaded with hybrids

[solemn wigeon]

Seems like much more effort than just doing one or the other

[mossy cloak]

instead of holding the class 10 you can freely use doors and mines at your advantage

[deft kiln]

Idk what you are talking about tbh

[west crow]

It's using the deactivate alarms unintentionally but I wouldn't say it's easier

[deft kiln]

It is fucked

[pliant pasture]

the Big Skip is fuckin hard,
every other combination of intended paths/reductions are a breeze (besides doing both class X alarms honest i suppose, that sounds kinda rough)

[deft kiln]

on overload it is risky as hell

4 players by tehemsleves

[pliant pasture]

if cancel terminal person gets snatched at the wrong second

[errant vigil]

There's only 2 hybrids during that error they're spawned on door pull

[pliant pasture]

huh

[deft kiln]

yeahthe issue is the error isnt small

[errant vigil]

true

also Hybrids seem to have a very small chance to spawn during the error

[twin dirge]

where nomand PP

[wary olive]

u should msg krystal for pp

[atomic escarp]

What is the most hated enemy in GTFO

[tough badger]

Spitters

[livid heath]

When the strikers are sus

R5D1 really is rough when done with the secondary

[atomic escarp]

For me it's the sleeper's

[livid heath]

Tried to brute force through all the chargers and tanks but getting wipe by just the one and only John Cena

[atomic escarp]

It's like they're doing the grudge noise from the movie

[livid heath]

More like the clickers from last of you people

[atomic escarp]

Xes

Yes

[tough badger]

R5D1 is a marathon with a load of caltrops at the end (secondary)

[livid heath]

I mean we held through 3 whole rooms of chargers plus charger scout wave

Just kept reviving with boosters

[tough badger]

lmao

[livid heath]

24% cpu on sniper sentry OP

[tough badger]

I think every part of the level is reasonable tbh, it's just the whole package that makes me want to disintegrate

[livid heath]

Mostly when you have to move back into main while fog is toxic now

Could had bring 99% Detox

But itll kill me to not res anyone

[tough badger]

It is too damn long for what is 60% finding key cards/cells for main
And yeah I hate the use of respawns

[livid heath]

Same

Its not hard

[tough badger]

Just an unnecessary and uninteresting failure point in an otherwise actually tense secondary

[livid heath]

But scouts after half of main is 100% replacement by chargers

Well its a late in D tier

With a more spice to make it harder than R4D1

Just to balance it out as it feels like an E tier

[tough badger]

I'd rather they'd actually just make the reactor shutdown hard than respawn shadow scouts

[livid heath]

Nah

I like how it is rn

But i would want more resources

At the start maybe

[tough badger]

That would defeat the purpose tho

You're not supposed to have the resources you want in this game

[frigid python]

Doors are one way now.

[pastel quest]

they took the gawd damn handles

[frigid python]

Not cool #the-warden , provide handles

[prisma zodiac]

@calm coral

From top to bottom:
Burst cannon 2 down
Rifle 1 down
Knife 2 down
Hel revo 1 up (like wtf this is a no brainer)
Combat shotty 1 up
High cal 1 down
Pistol 1-2 down
Assault rifle 1-2 down
Spear 3 down (???)
Veruta machine gun 2 up
Pdw 1-2 up
Hel shotty 2 up
Dmr 1-2 up
Heavy ar 1-2 up
Bullpup 1 down
Smg 1 down
Machine pp 1-2 up

[calm coral]

this is tiers?

or slots

[prisma zodiac]

for the tiers yea

[calm coral]

damn

[prisma zodiac]

ranking in slots is more nuanced

[calm coral]

wait lemme get it to png

shit quality nice

[twin dirge]

tasty pixels

[calm coral]

ehhh Id say burst cannon is better than great situationally

rifle is a subjective opinion I love it

knife is in a different league situationally there’s nothing like it if it works

[twin dirge]

infinite ammo mod so you can kill a striker with burst cannon

[calm coral]

for reactors with mainly smalls in code rooms

knife is in a different league

[calm coral]

lmao

hel revo is good enough for top tier I guess that one was on the edge for me

oh I meant to put spear in great situationally decent all round idk why it’s above that

fuck veruta arbalist is my homie

pdw is shit in well lit environments imo

hel shotty is underrated true

dmr just doesn’t have a place in the game while the hel revolver exists

har is hard to justify while arbalist exists

[twin dirge]

I feel like I am being gaslit when people say PDW is best

[agile sundial]

Galaxy brain DMR take

[calm coral]

bullpup just feels too good to place lower than better options

[calm coral]

like who’s gonna use it when there’s a weapon with higher damage which is easier to use and doesn’t zoom you close enough to see sleeper teeth

maybe reactors

but that’s it

for me

[agile sundial]

Well me for one, but it has a longer range, proper scope, and larger magazine (altho the last point is ehhh because of hel revo's over penetration); imo they don't fit exactly the same roles

[calm coral]

larger mag is a big thing actually I forgot about that one

I mean who actually hits multiple enemies with hel revo

[agile sundial]

Also me.. lol

[calm coral]

unless it’s a reactor again

[agile sundial]

That's the point of the gun

[calm coral]

Ihm

hm

I’m having a hard enough time lining up enemies for hel rifle and gun

but then again I don’t use revo

if I want something that feels like the dmr I take the rifle

because I used to be a pistol boy and rifle is just a better pistol if you ask me

[agile sundial]

Pistol has a lot more ammo no?

[calm coral]

I don’t think it’s that much of a difference

and rifle has lots more range

[agile sundial]

Also shorter range so it's more up close and personal

[twin dirge]

just kite /s

[calm coral]

that works when I’m alone I guess

[verbal ether]

Happens all the time even if you suck and don't even try to take advantage of pen lol

[agile sundial]

One of the things that makes hel revo so busted is it'll just naturally cull waves lol

[calm coral]

hm fair I only used it in original R4 when the pen was busted but I know it’s very decent in the game rn

[agile sundial]

probably the best main weapon tbh

[calm coral]

is reload cancel still a thing

[agile sundial]

Yes

[calm coral]

carbine?

[tough atlas]

Depends a lot on the circumstance

[agile sundial]

Carbine also very good but Hel Revo out damages iirc? and I think also gets more ammo

[tough atlas]

On a chokepoint it's a meat grinder

[calm coral]

fair

[tough atlas]

Even without pen it'd still be fantastic

[calm coral]

does it one shot stagger chargers?

we seem to have a lot of those this rundown

[calm coral]

yeah the headshot damage is what makes it good for me

but that’s because of og R4 when it was still a one tap

but if you guys say it should be top tier I guess it should bc I don’t use it enough

[tough atlas]

I rarely use HEL Rev, to be clear, but I acknowledge that it's indeed very very good

[agile sundial]

Hel Revo should stagger a charger in one hit yes (8.01 damage vs 6.8 stagger HP)

[calm coral]

nice

[agile sundial]

I have a love hate relationship with hel revo in that I think it's very fun to use but also it feels almost cheap sometimes lol

[prisma zodiac]

with the recoil and dmg nerf its a good giant killer (not the best at all) and great boss killer while being meh otherwise

If that isnt great situationally then idk

[calm coral]

carbine feels very cheap to me which is why I use rifle usually

although I enjoy a bit of burst rifle sometimes

R5 i’ve only played sawed off though

[tough atlas]

Carbine is fantastic and easy to use. I'd say that it's boring but tbh that depends on the taste. I use it a lot.

[agile sundial]

Carbine and hel revo are near equals in my mind even if by the numbers the latter is better

Carbine also very fun to use

[calm coral]

It’s still the best boss killer in the game by far. Sniper overkills tumors so burst cannon gets way more efficiency :)

sniper will always be better for me though but I acknowledge that burst cannon has best in class damage vs anything that gets overkilled by sniper

[calm coral]

it gets boring to feel so safe just because you have an easy to use stagger stick with a reliable 5-6 bullet kill with you

[wary olive]

why is veruta just decent. that shit was already giga strong and it got buffed

[calm coral]

damn everyone hating on my veruta takes

[astral ferry]

can we get a tier list for weapon tier lists

[calm coral]

fair

R5 level tier list when

[wary olive]

veruta is one of the strongest weapons

[agile sundial]

I was using veruta before it was meta 😤 /j

[calm coral]

b-but arbalist😭

[agile sundial]

Arbalist is a safer rec for people who have a harder time controlling recoil but veruta is beautiful

[wary olive]

knife at the top....

🤢

[calm coral]

arbalist more dps tho

👀

[pulsar zodiac]

veruta is good until group of chargers

[nocturne flax]

scattergun in a different league?

[pulsar zodiac]

in front of you

[calm coral]

situationally yes

[nocturne flax]

wachu mean veruta have the stagger

[twin dirge]

pretty much

[nocturne flax]

you can easily control waves and kill them with veruta

[agile sundial]

Veruta is higher DPS wait

[nocturne flax]

NU HU

[agile sundial]

Veruta is 40 DPS, Arbalist is 38

[calm coral]

mhm

nah

arbalist is 41

[pulsar zodiac]

4~5 chargers then swap to main
because you won't make it reload

[calm coral]

arbalist 1s faster reload as well

hehe

[agile sundial]

Veruta reload cancel is easier for my small brain but also the high rate of fire, high damage, high stagger makes it perfectly capable of stopping a wall of chargers lol

[calm coral]

they feel very different but 10c pretty much made them identical in terms of dps, damage per mag, damage per refill, etc

arbalist is easier to use, veruta has a stagger multiplier

that’s the difference imo

[agile sundial]

Essentially; if you can control the recoil though veruta is incredibly strong

[prisma zodiac]

Litteraly the best main gun in the game

[prisma zodiac]

Its neither tho. Spear is never an upgrade to hammer, fucks you over a ton and its base stats are alright. Its bad

[prisma zodiac]

veruta is at worst as good, realistically a bit better

[prisma zodiac]

best full auto by a mile. Its thermal rly is only useful for situational stuff, where its rly fucking good tho

Being at worst the 6th best main isnt bad at all

[prisma zodiac]

its still good enough, especially cuz it actually has unique strengths and other advantages that hel revo doesnt have

See 1 shot shooters, immense range, bigger mag size

Sucks ass tho

[prisma zodiac]

you have scattergun tho, which memes on it

[wary olive]

wtf am i lagging

[agile sundial]

Discord API caught up lmao

[olive shoal]

I don’t think it’s you ryk

[calm coral]

woah someone disabled internet for a minute before posting everything at the same time

to confuse us

👀

[wary olive]

im having a stroke..

[olive shoal]

eva literally got muted for that LMFAOOO

[wary olive]

LOL

[olive shoal]

That’s tragic

[twin dirge]

skill issue!!11!1

[pulsar zodiac]

yes

[wary olive]

also scattergun is only insanely good at boss killing if you're client

[calm coral]

ok this one is true

[pulsar zodiac]

generally there is no bad weapon in the game

just personal preferences

[twin dirge]

machine pistol

[calm coral]

precision rifle

[agile sundial]

Machine pistol kinda stinky yeah..

[wary olive]

guys precision rifle is OP

[agile sundial]

Precision rifle is good just not as busted as the other specials

[pulsar zodiac]

machine pistol is good very short range but you need to hit 99% of the shot (with headshot)

[wary olive]

it can 3 shot a hybrid

[calm coral]

precision rifle reload makes bullpup seem fast

[nocturne flax]

People who complain about the reload usually are in a shitty position

[calm coral]

it’s a matter of firing downtime

[nocturne flax]

it never matter to me

[calm coral]

precision rifle empties its mag in like

4 seconds

[nocturne flax]

be smart at what you target

[calm coral]

then 4 seconds reload

that’s just shit

[nocturne flax]

who the fuck are you mag dumping lmao

[agile sundial]

Very fast emptying of a mag

[olive shoal]

My teammates

[calm coral]

4 seconds reload is great for an mg because you can actually shred in between reloads

[calm coral]

some hybrids probably

[agile sundial]

Then hybrids die and you reload

[nocturne flax]

bad take

[wary olive]

you dont need to mag dump hybrids, it just takes 3 shots

[calm coral]

yunno the same hybrids which are the reason why you should have brought a sniper

because sniper is better in every way than precision rifle

imo

[nocturne flax]

if your using pres rifle for bigs

you might be re ta ded

pr its just for smalls

[agile sundial]

Sniper has higher damage I guess, but precision rifle doesn't fill the same niche yeah

[calm coral]

but if you use it for smalls you might as well pick revolver

[pulsar zodiac]

you should presicion rifle one mag giant front :)

[agile sundial]

PR has way higher range huh

[calm coral]

pr fills a niche which is like never required

[prisma zodiac]

Na i was lagging, had a dc

[olive shoal]

I love invis head

[prisma zodiac]

yea. My internet on the train was like „frick you“

[nocturne flax]

you dont rely on bio pings, you can snipe people from further than revo, you can see everything

i just think you dont know how tu use pr

[half hornet]

still needs 10 bullets imho

[calm coral]

I’m not good with the pr that is true

[half hornet]

8 with this reload speed? a killer

[calm coral]

but it does not bring to the table what other specials do

[agile sundial]

10 round mag would be lit ngl

[half hornet]

i loved the initial 12 bullet PR, it felt like the mag would never end

[calm coral]

it’s always outshined

[nocturne flax]

yep

[twin dirge]

clip* jk jk

[calm coral]

oh no

[wary olive]

[calm coral]

oh also speaking about bad weapons

[nocturne flax]

thats another poop take if thats the case we all gonna be running the same guns

[calm coral]

heavy smh

[nocturne flax]

if we only picking the all in 1

its boring and those weapons need to be tone down a notch

carabine didnt need the buffs it had

[calm coral]

carbine should be nerfed

[wary olive]

leave my hel gun alone blackdragon

[calm coral]

people are forgetting how to shoot

because carbine exists

[agile sundial]

Carbine getting buffed like 4 patches in a row was galaxy brain lol

[calm coral]

hel gun got a nerf already and it’s still good but it doesn’t feel busted to me anymore

a bit too versatile maybe

kinda makes the hel rifle look bad

[wary olive]

hel rifle is a lot more niche

[agile sundial]

Hel rifle fills a different role

[calm coral]

I remember when we were all trying to use hel rifles because we missed the burst cannon when r5 dropped

[half hornet]

My only complaint with HEL RIfle is that it could use an extra round in mag

[calm coral]

6 would be cool yes

[half hornet]

5 feels too limiting sometimes

"Oh, i'm out already?"

[agile sundial]

Hmm

[prisma zodiac]

eh

[nocturne flax]

NU UH

[agile sundial]

I dunno it feels like it's in a good spot to me

[verbal ether]

hel rifle is fine as it is

it's good

[prisma zodiac]

hel rifle is perfectly fine

its insane in its niche and good otherwise

[calm coral]

they could give it a tad more precision damage at the cost of a tad of charge time

[prisma zodiac]

??????

WHAT

[nocturne flax]

what

[calm coral]

but that’s a very biased take

[agile sundial]

Nah man

[nocturne flax]

lmao

[prisma zodiac]

is that idea

[nocturne flax]

NU UH

[wary olive]

HEL SNIPER

[prisma zodiac]

that would be a nerf

[agile sundial]

This ain't it chief

[prisma zodiac]

unless you make it sniper

but then why have sniper

[calm coral]

it’s a nerf but it helps the niche I like it for

[wary olive]

u using it for the wrong niche then

its not a precision weapon

[agile sundial]

What niche are you using it for what

[half hornet]

That was my question

[calm coral]

chaining giants or hybrids

[half hornet]

Currently its the anti-charger gun, the only one

[calm coral]

ok fair

[prisma zodiac]

why would you need precision for that tho?

[calm coral]

that’s a use

[nocturne flax]

NU UH

[prisma zodiac]

The best*

Hel gun and choke mod exist

[calm coral]

not the only one though

[agile sundial]

I dunno if I'd call it the only one but it's very strong vs them yes

[calm coral]

combat shotgun is also decent against chargers just in a different scenario

you’ll get licked tho

[prisma zodiac]

btw for precision multi to matter on hel rifle vs giants it would need to have a higher one than precision rifle…. To save 1 bullet

[agile sundial]

l m a o

[prisma zodiac]

Nah thats the point. You wont

It stops them well and can kill decently well wtf

[calm coral]

I did not do the maths on this

[calm coral]

with combat shotty?

[prisma zodiac]

yea

combat shotty is the stop gap special

also insanely efficient

[calm coral]

it’s insane stagger

that’s true

and damage is easier to use efficiently than normal shotty

[pulsar zodiac]

12 shots 12 striker/ shooter max if aim for head

[calm coral]

bc one shot smalls hehe

[agile sundial]

Normal shotgun also one shot smalls

[calm coral]

it’s obviously better than normal shotty if you ask me

[calm coral]

yeah but combat shotgun is supposed to do less damage

[agile sundial]

You sure have a lot of interesting takes about the guns in this game lol

[calm coral]

this is like saying “sniper also one shots chargers”

[prisma zodiac]

its currently a bit overbuffed

normal shotty is just in a perfect spot

normal shotgun is a rly insane all rounder

[pulsar zodiac]

normal shotgun is in a good spot

[agile sundial]

Normal shotgun rules

[calm coral]

I mean it’s not like everyone here is gonna agree, you just agree to disagree with my opinions which is fine

[wary olive]

HEL SNIPER

[calm coral]

normal shotgun is fun to use

feels good

feels reliable

my go to weapon for levels where a small fuckup can lead to a huge in your face fight

although combat shotty does that as well

[calm coral]

I can use the hel rifle like a sniper and let sentries finish them off if I want to right :) I paid for the game👀

[wary olive]

combat shotgun doesnt have the raw clearing power as pump though. it can 1 shot smalls but its a lot less reliable doing it at even a bit of range

[calm coral]

I tend to take short angles with combat shotgun

run away, get behind a corner and shoot them one by one as they come around

doesn’t always work during alarms but that’s what the stagger is for

should I make a tier list which will make people even more mad at me

a completely subjective one

[tough atlas]

a tier list of tier lists

[plush basin]

If you think its possible

[calm coral]

where I just put god tier weapons in trash tier

[wary olive]

someone should make a tier list of the gun sounds

rifle is F tier

[calm coral]

rifle sounds so good

[wary olive]

literally sounds like an airsoft gun

[tough atlas]

there's already a tier list of discord users

[plush basin]

bro nah rifle is S are you kidding

[wary olive]

RIFLE SOUND LIKE PEA SHOOTER

[nocturne flax]

pistol its ass

[calm coral]

nahhhh

rifle sounds like the hel rifle

but better

[plush basin]

rifle sounds weak but thats what is cute about it

[wary olive]

also why does the veruta sound so different from when you use it and hearing someone else fire it

[calm coral]

same with rifle tho right

[wary olive]

i dont really remember what 3rd person rifle sounds like

[calm coral]

oh that’s the good sound

first person isn’t great

but third person rifle sound oooooo

[prisma zodiac]

third person kinda reminds me of a laser rifle

[calm coral]

everyone is gone

probably making tier lists

of gun sounds

[prisma zodiac]

Black dragon is just building their fallout shelter for when R8 drops and i force em to make a full level ranking breakdown with me :^ )

[twin dirge]

R8 will feature shadow flyers as the big boss

[calm coral]

ready for terrible takes btw?

[plush basin]

😔

[calm coral]

the templates are shit rn so make more templates as well

do it per objective

instead of whole level

[plush basin]

Isn't there one that just has the level key? x.x

[calm coral]

nope

unfortunately this is the only one I could find

[wary olive]

wtf is this?

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cant-see-cant-read-meme-ken-jeong-gif-16673476

[calm coral]

there we go

[prisma zodiac]

there is, i did one :p

[calm coral]

the only template there is for r5 levels

[plush basin]

https://tiermaker.com/create/gtfo-expeditions-825633

[calm coral]

too lazy to make my own

[prisma zodiac]

ill make a new one once r8 hits

[plush basin]

Just use this and don't put the other ones up

[calm coral]

oh thats all

okok

will@do

there you go

[plush basin]

this seems kinda fine tbh

I think B2 is alright but its a meme with all the spitters

This is going off OG though I've not gotten far in the Alt

[calm coral]

I mean none of the levels are actually that bad

and Id be down to play all of them

but if I had to place one lowest it would be b2

[calm coral]

basically the same thing

not a lot changed

[nocturne flax]

I was taking a dookie but yeah

[calm coral]

the b2 objectives just aren’t intuitive at all

[nocturne flax]

ill be down for that

[calm coral]

if you ask me

[prisma zodiac]

we get ray in too and it becomes a podcast

[calm coral]

I’m watching

Ill be the one guy in chat

[plush basin]

gives me something to listen to on long journeys

[prisma zodiac]

you know what id find funny?

A gun draft gtfo style

3 people, drafting main/special guns back and forth

If 1 gun is picked the others cant take it

[wary olive]

where is ur r5c3

[calm coral]

podcast ideas

[plush basin]

to do what? Clear a rundown with?

[calm coral]

starvation

[plush basin]

and you can choose from only your drafted guns?

[wary olive]

ah

[plush basin]

Or just as a way of ranking them among a group?

[calm coral]

the template has it as c2

idk

I just looked at the names

[prisma zodiac]

you pick the guns for a whole squad

so 8 each (4/4)

[twin dirge]

I can't zoom in for shit and it still pixels and cropped

[twin dirge]

sussy

[real moss]

Yeah, kinda mid

[tough atlas]

new patch, should have fixed r5a3

No mention of R5D2's broken bridge spot

[plush basin]

Looks like they decided to keep the funny terminal?

[tough atlas]

The one in the middle of that room of r5a3? I mean it doesn't hurt anyone

[wet ravine]

bridge spot?

[wary olive]

why they remove resist terminal tho

[pallid swallow]

what's fixed

[nocturne flax]

R5b3 fix?

[boreal tendon]

can r5e1 second cell during last error spawn in wall or is it fake?

[twin dirge]

is R5 as a whole playable now

[tough atlas]

R5A3 had a chance of a bulkhead key spawning basically at the drop, floating in mid air, inaccessible (something about it finding no place to properly spawn and so being spawned at 0,0,0), which made PE impossible and could softlock you if you didnt know beforehand

[tough atlas]

In R5D2, the respawn room with big guys and a scout, there's a relatively specific spot where players can get stuck. We had that kill a run, nor even host migration worked.

[wide lion]

what update?

[wide lion]

a3 ez -_-

[half hornet]

Oh nice, I didn't best A3 yet

I love playing finished games

No gun buffs though

[real moss]

A2 is better tbh. A3 is kinda meh

[nocturne flax]

R5B3 still not fix

sad

[west crow]

Did they fix the soft lock d2 spot 🥹

[prisma zodiac]

Fix what?

[west crow]

So sad that b3 isn't fixed

😢

[wide lion]

why lock melter no work 😄

[wide lion]

b3 ez

[nocturne flax]

3 min scan

[prisma zodiac]

ah

[nocturne flax]

the tank spawn its suppose to penalize you if you go down

not be mandatory

you sit there like an idiot doing nothing waiting for tanks to spawn

instead of you know.... playing the game

[wide lion]

but this bug can`t fix -_-

[west crow]

they definitely purposefully extended the scan time so you'd fight more tanks

TRY BOOSTERS LOSER!

[nocturne flax]

For real

[pallid swallow]

That's why this game has bioscan boosters

[nocturne flax]

I dont have bioscan boosters!!!

I only got regen speed

!!!

[wary olive]

can anyone explain why for b3 finishing the scan makes you see less tanks but for c2 ovl when someone brought max bio scan booster, when we finished the scan we got like 5 waves + mom spawn at the same time

[nocturne flax]

Time based

I tought they updated it from the original

But someone told me still time based

So you can still do cringe shit on that scan

[wary olive]

we finished the scan early for sure, no one went down. but then we got the mom + remaining waves spawn all at the ssame time it was kinda goofy

[nocturne flax]

Thats good tho

Actual enemies you gonna be fighting

[wary olive]

yeah it made it spicier

should try full team bio scan for max fun in that scan

10 waves + mom

[west crow]

the scan is cosmetic

it just spawns a set amount

[wary olive]

so that scan is just coded differently from the b3 containment scan?

[deft kiln]

So there are two types of populations

-1 and any other vaule

-1 is infinite until scan stops

But most of the time it can be “cancelled “ but turning off the wave cause it needs to refresh the spawns

The limited population can only be removed by a deactivate alarms command or moment

Example using uplink terminal to cancel scout waves

[wary olive]

so the tank in b3 is -1 pop type

and nothing in c2 is -1?

[deft kiln]

Nothing in c2 overload