gtfo-spoiler-chat

[half hornet]

Especially after bots

The 20m, 20s cooldown ping is cringe compared to BioBishop and his holyness

[tough atlas]

I rarely pick it up because I had people nag me about "taking bio and not communicating" because they want me to tell every sleeper status asap

nowadays I just say if they're in front of a door or if they're close to the scout and call it a day

To be fair I find Biotracker more engaging than the other tools

[half hornet]

And you don't have to worry about tool refill, makes life easier

[tough atlas]

I dont have to worry about preparing for alarms either

I just afk at the sec door 😄

[prisma zodiac]

thats just cheats tho

makes shadow fights boring as hell aswell

[half hornet]

Buff player ping range by like 25% and my complaints are pretty much gone. Otherwise it feels horrible when you ping a third of the actual wave size and you can't even fix in time - you'll probably kill the wave by the time bio reloads. Makes you wonder why you even bother...

[prisma zodiac]

thats… a pretty big skill issue lol

[deft knot]

the player tag range is already far enough as you are unlikely to be shooting beyond that due to visibility/damage falloff

[fresh bronze]

This, after further personal play yeah no it goes on bots or it doesnt go at all. The ping range for a player is so worthless that your already shooting the enemies before you ping em.

I didnt realize just how big of a difference it was compared to bots good lord

Not only is it tedious and mind numbing to use it just isnt that functional on a player

[prisma zodiac]

nah, you see it the wrong way lol

the player ping range and area + cooldown are very good, theres a reason why bio is and was a top tier tool from the start

bots use it at a way wider range and angle, while also forgoing the actual bio cooldown between pings

Unless you are litteraly shooting down dmr range (smth that only like 4-5 weapons can even do) the enemy will most definetly be in ping range

[real moss]

Horrible take. Even without a bot, bio is so good in so many levels.

[prisma zodiac]

basically all of them

in the ones where you dont „need“ it, you wont „need“ any other tool either. So having information is just op

[real moss]

Crap, you agree. bio is useless, got a change of heart

[prisma zodiac]

eh, i mean you dont need it in say r7a1, but taking it is still gonna be of higher value than another sentry/mines/foam

[real moss]

Heresy

[prisma zodiac]

the only exception where ive not taken bio in a 4 man is litteraly speedrunning

[velvet linden]

hello all, my sniper sentry does not shoot?? Is there any fix???

[real moss]

switch to burst

[velvet linden]

no

[real moss]

K

[half hornet]

I just need to see awake enemies to tap them when they turn corners and have turrets shoot them, don't care about anything else really.
Well, maybe knowing where scouts are.

[real moss]

There's a r3ason why you don't get past last levels

[half hornet]

Foe these purposes Bishop is my boy and I prefer him over any of you.

[real moss]

throwing it out there

[half hornet]

Oh, it's totally not because the guy with bio can't ping chargers at the door on the other side of class 5 scan.

Or the fact that the bio does nothing on class 6 scan.

[prisma zodiac]

thats again a skill issue then lol

[half hornet]

Or the fact that it does nothing at all in all of the scans.

[real moss]

The mindset Artek, the mindset !

[prisma zodiac]

it doesnt? Tell that to the guys that get rushed by a wave of chargers lol

[half hornet]

Yeah, that happens when door breaks.

And it breaks because it bugs out, which it shouldn't.

[prisma zodiac]

oh you talking about r4d2?

[half hornet]

Yes. It's only D2 and E1 left.

[real moss]

Hmmmm so you saying you want to do R4D2PE without bio?

[prisma zodiac]

eh for that level its mostly for the last alarm, the walk back aswell as making extreme/overload quicker (same for stealth in main)

[half hornet]

I'm not touching C3 PE, fuck that.

[prisma zodiac]

C3PE is a cool level lol

[real moss]

not without a bio no

[half hornet]

The bios not the problem. Pubs can't contend chargers on alarms.

They're pinged. We see them. They just kill us.

[real moss]

Pubs would contend better if they knew earlier where they come from

[real moss]

At that point it's a skill issue

[half hornet]

Yes.

[prisma zodiac]

i mean i understand dying to chargers you dont see coming

its why i dislike the silent spawns

but thats where bio helps

1 hel rifle player can hold the waves for like 5 min with a 2 use

[real moss]

The point is that you say bio is useless in a 4 man while the bio is the only tool that is always helping the team. In and out of combat

Even if you don't "need" it. IT's always extra info. it's never a detriment to the team

Altho next R4C3PE will be 4 foam launchers

[half hornet]

I'm not saying it's useless, I'm saying its annoying to work with.

Range too short, cooldlwn too long, blah blah.

Which is I'm never the bio mam.

[real moss]

I'm not saying YOU have to. but someone will have to sacrifice

[half hornet]

Fighting the trigger button over last red square is... Bleurgh.

[real moss]

btw can you record tour first drop on R4E1?

[deft knot]

bots having good bio capability in combat is more so making up for the rest of the stupid stuff they do, a competent 4th player is miles above them

[real moss]

would be a great vid

[half hornet]

I'll see what I can do.

[real moss]

the R4C2PE run back to extract was fun as well. You can see how much you enjoyed doing it

Which baffles me how negative you are in chat

[prisma zodiac]

both are good tho lol

buffing that would be crazy, shadows would need to show up for even less time when pinged

[real moss]

make shadows as fast as baby's to counter balance

[deft knot]

i mean there's already booster for tracker speed if player decide to use them

[half hornet]

I'm always negative about the small things. They don't ruin the whole experience, so thats why. I'm having fun at the moment. I'm over analysing issues post fact.

It's like having a thorn in your finger. It's not a game over, but I'd rather not have it.

[real moss]

hmmm fair. I mean people call me a radical agressive.

Don't think I am tho

@prisma zodiac or am I?

[half hornet]

It reminds me of titanfall 2. Amazing game, can play it for days. Hate the balance.

[prisma zodiac]

Yes

[tough atlas]

Only thing I'd change about bio would be making the little screen as large as its actual range

But that's nitpicking

[prisma zodiac]

^ thats an understandable criticism

the range is already quite big

[real moss]

😏 Nice

[prisma zodiac]

but its not fully shown

[half hornet]

All titans are half assed and have glaring issues with them on every front. You have 5 kits to choose from to fix one issue, have "fun" dealing with the rest.

It's like they designed them with kits first then went "we can nerf that", and cut all the features in half, gave you the kits and told you to pick your poison.

[half hornet]

Oh yes, that!

I hate having 0 idea what I can and can't ping.

I know the guys on screen will be, but wtf about all those outside? It's like throwing coins.

The tool about info doesn't give you info on how it works.

Also: ADS. What is up with that, still?

[velvet linden]

It doesnt do anything

[half hornet]

Did they remove the single ping or? I forgot.

[prisma zodiac]

yes

cuz that was a bad feature

[half hornet]

Fair.

Still wonder what did they planned with that.

Maybe enemies that wake up when you ping them? So you would try to only ping the scout?

Or enemies that get stronger when pinged?

I just don't see the reason to specifically ping 1 guy and not anyone around them.

Pin point targeting for sentries? Air strikes? The Potential.

[obtuse surge]

do the devs even know that there's 2 issues with the cells on C3

and only one was fixed

[half hornet]

Expand?

[obtuse surge]

one of the cells in overload could spawn in the wall, fixed
one of the cells in secondary may not spawn at all, not fixed

and its really not that rare

[half hornet]

Haven't encountered that one but wouldn't be surprised. A rare one, I guess.

[obtuse surge]

i've had 3 runs with it

out of maybe 15

[half hornet]

Unlucky... You always host or someone else?

[obtuse surge]

both

it doesn't matter

i mean its fine for me

cuz i know

[half hornet]

Ripperoni in buggeroni

[obtuse surge]

so i check ahead of time if all cells spawned

[kind swan]

Where YES MIKE

[obtuse surge]

kid named mike

[kind swan]

Kid??

Is it another one of those kids who've slept with my mother type?

[fresh bronze]

Sure its great when you got a bot that can put the thing to use. I can see it in dense fog or with invis as a 4 man being generally useful but beyond that it just aint worth it to bother pinging waves of regular enemies.

I dont really find it useful in stealth beyond invis rooms

When you got a team of people who dont stop moving even for 2 giants its impossible to use for stealth

[fallow wasp]

I would appreciate a buff to player bio range/angle, but I understand if they don’t because it’s one of the 3 things bots excel at

[prisma zodiac]

i mean... bot bio is balanced around them being idiots

player bio is pretty freaking strong (and doesnt need buffs)

[fresh bronze]

my real only gripe with it is it basically doesnt ping until you can already see the enemy and by that point its a bit late

[prisma zodiac]

?

i dunno where you are fighting mate

but bio ping range is incredibly long

and rarely do you get a sightline that far

[pliant pasture]

if player ping is waiting to try and tag the whole wave in one go, ya, the front will be on you. but they can/should also say anything about the wave being almost there.

[half hornet]

SEVENTY METERS

[pliant pasture]

500 miles

500 more

[kind swan]

Fight shadows in the Dark+Fog without bio pings

[fallow wasp]

Bots are strangely pretty balanced I'd say. They aim pretty well, they never wake rooms, immune to alerting scouts and getting infected, etc.

In exchange it is almost a fruitless endeavor to try and get them to pick things out of lockers or hold on to resources, and they will never hunt for resources or tell you what's behind a door

[pliant pasture]

in the ways they are bad, they are unforgivable, but in the ways they are good they are statistically perfect. learning to play with them is an entire skill on its own.

and ya i agree, that does mean they are kinda balanced

[atomic escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/802993573854445578/1093042641333129226/cf5ddffb22c45900ae8ab791df532cbedc2bf3d3.gif

[kind swan]

When you're the infection hoe but dauda chases you trying to disinfect you

Or mid alarm and your just casually being disinfected mid-fight

[hexed vapor]

Ultimately, I think most 3-bot players have to come to terms with the fact that most sticking points will be due to their individual skill, not issues with bots.

Not that there are no issues w/ bots, but if you're stuck on some fairly ordinary expedition it's probably your individual ability to do or not do things that will prevent you from making progress.

[daring pilot]

Yeah

[pliant pasture]

The bots static||*||, how well you do is the only variable.

[fallow wasp]

With 3 bots especially because nobody else is gonna find codes for you

[pliant pasture]

For some people it's liberating

[daring pilot]

I like my 3p 1 bot static

[pliant pasture]

ya, once you all are comfy with your teammates quirks, he does alright

[unique gazelle]

It's kinda like having 3 mobile sentries that can do a bit more. In a way it's good for newer players to learn core mechanics and every detail of the expedition rather than getting hard carried by veteran players

[deft kiln]

I think bot players can easily make it to d teir without issue

[daring pilot]

Not if they want PE

[kind swan]

Dual uplink objectives be like

[deft knot]

error alarms could be quite annoying

[daring pilot]

Bot clears with only main can make it to D pretty easy

Bot clears with PE? A lot fucking harder

[kind swan]

Try it PE without ever kicking the bots out

How about that

[daring pilot]

OOF

Yeah I had to kick mine several times on A3 bc they just got stuck

Didn’t even clear bc my mine blew through a blood door

[deft kiln]

Oof

Deep mine hybrid push moment

[daring pilot]

Yeah i had to kite so damn hard

Then the fucking command completion was like “bippity boppity 6 hybrids are now your property “

And I had hel gun plus ar

Bc I had initially been trolling and didn’t think I’d do well

sigh

I’ll solo A3PE with bots eventually

Both of them

[hexed vapor]

Tbh I don't think most PEs would be that bad.

[daring pilot]

Ehhh some will be hell

[kind swan]

Most*

[daring pilot]

Specifically charger carry PE’s

[kind swan]

Some*

[daring pilot]

I think C3 and D2 both have that

[hexed vapor]

C3 might get spooky

But D2?

[winter wharf]

only C3 is charger + heavy object

C2/D2 are shadows

[hexed vapor]

Tanks would def be annoying on both

[daring pilot]

D2 has heavy cargo with charger error no?

Tanks can be mined

[deft knot]

charger error on extraction only

[daring pilot]

Ah ok

That’s easier ig

[deft knot]

yea extraction errors are ok ish it's more the ones that starts mid-mission thats annoying when doing with bots

[daring pilot]

Me when the tank error starts mid mission

[hexed vapor]

But like, if R2D2 is bot-able...

[deft knot]

I wish R4D1 had a mom error in extreme, the side objective just seems empty

[hexed vapor]

I think most PEs would be in that ballpark.

[daring pilot]

yeah I think the hardest bot PE would probably be R5C2

The silly scan

Well actually

Nah wait that’s not an actual alarm, you could just fight everything wherever and deal with the scan later

[hexed vapor]

Pray for alt to add a penalty

[daring pilot]

hopefully

If it does, that one is probably hardest

[daring pilot]

either that or like R6D3

D3 pe is fucking sus with bots

[narrow gulch]

did the tanks continually spawning get patched out on c2

[daring pilot]

Gotta fight like 5 tanks plus whatever else spawns in barracks

[half hornet]

The door gods were kind to us to not break at the worst moments possible...
Also: no turbine.

god, i love hel shotgun

[real moss]

I am happy when you listen

well done

[winter wharf]

what a mad guy using sniper

[real moss]

a true mad lad

[half hornet]

We triggered almost every scout on the level, i swear

[real moss]

R4C3PE is last before E1 now

[half hornet]

I think i personally stabbed 2 and the guy got his redemption by stabbing another, the rest got the screamies

[real moss]

don't forget to record your first E1

[half hornet]

I don't think i can handle any more of C3, that level makes me sick physically at this point

[real moss]

but e1 should only unlock after all main completions

[half hornet]

I have that. C3 is

That's what my last squad could handle.

When i saw the rest of main i was like "fuuuuuck this"

[real moss]

feel free to do E1 first then

[half hornet]

The amazing thing is that this is the ONE time beating secondary makes the level easier because it swaps quirky fog for normal fog.

But overload decided to compensate for its' brother's crime and be as bullshit as it can be.

I don't think pubs can handle overload alone, let alone PE

[fresh bronze]

r4a3 is overload past main door before i use this bulkhead and fuck myself

[real moss]

there are good pubs

very rare

[real moss]

past first main yes

[fresh bronze]

thanks

didnt wanna softlock myself out of pe

[deft knot]

I want to find those good pubs for nice experience but not to the point where you have 2-3 hardcore players that just carries

[real moss]

sec -> main -> ovl -> main

[fresh bronze]

thats what i thought

[hexed vapor]

You can list keys and DC

To know.

Although I guess there are some non-DC, but you don't need keys for them.

[fresh bronze]

Yeah we did but i wanted to make 100% sure i understood it right

[kind swan]

[real moss]

@half hornet Hybrids were originally introduced in R2 (now in R1C1)

[pliant pasture]

[real moss]

Big chargers originally R4 now R3D1

charger scouts originally R5 now in R3D1

[half hornet]

Then WTF... Why they didn't use the rest?!

[real moss]

your guess is as good as mine

[half hornet]

Wait, R3D1 has charger scouts?...

[alpine spindle]

Yes

[half hornet]

I havent seen even one

[alpine spindle]

Bruh

[real moss]

yeah

[half hornet]

I didn't notice, at all

[real moss]

two behind apex door

[kind swan]

LF Charger Hybrids. No head multi hybrids

[half hornet]

what....

[alpine spindle]

Watch my speedrun lol

[real moss]

and big chargers

[kind swan]

And give them the red shots

[half hornet]

No... I...

[alpine spindle]

You’ll hear 2 charger scouts go off

[half hornet]

Its happening again.

[alpine spindle]

And a bunch of bbcs

[real moss]

I did it yesterday again

100%

[half hornet]

i did that level 3 or 4 times

Haven't seen ONE

[real moss]

bruh

[kind swan]

[alpine spindle]

R3D1 has always had 2 charger scouts

💀💀💀

Alt, that is

[half hornet]

hm

[pliant pasture]

they started too conservative on loyalty to OG vs updating enemy diversity.

[alpine spindle]

The charger zone was always the most fucked part about speedruns

[half hornet]

but that is an interesting pattern

1 rundown too early

[hexed vapor]

They're staying true to OG while compromising the OG a lot, ngl.

[half hornet]

so there's a chance for fliers in R5 and snatchers in R6

That could be very interesting.

[hexed vapor]

R4 feels more like R2 than R3 in terms of adaptation.

[real moss]

well R2 had no enemies earlier

[kind swan]

I miss OG having rundown specific gear but eh

[real moss]

R4 same

not even charger scout

[kind swan]

That shits basically gone now

[real moss]

while it was in R3D1 .....

[alpine spindle]

I miss the old cosmetics system

Tbh

[kind swan]

Cosmetic objectives

They got lazy once alts 1-3 started

[real moss]

in your DM

[kind swan]

Extreme and overload don't even get you shit anymore

Where are the certin number of extremes/overload clears to proceed

[half hornet]

oooooh

i got confused

i was thinking of R4-D1, again

i... i keep completely forgetting about R3

[real moss]

eh yeah

[half hornet]

I don't remember a single level from there

[real moss]

not the same 🙂

[half hornet]

I remember early R1 levels, i remember some levels of R2

But R3 completely dissapeared from my mind. I don't remember shit.

[real moss]

its the mothers

[half hornet]

The surprise early mother within a red room

Yeah, now i remember that...

The A3 reactor that filtered me

How could i forget it?

[real moss]

its coming back to him

[fresh bronze]

man uh a3 r4 is kinda a joke

a2 was way harder

[fallow wasp]

I seem to have a very bad habit of getting stuck

Someone put a mine behind me so I shot it and it killed everyone all at once

[real moss]

good lad

[empty ingot]

I have some friends that play GTFO but it's a twice a month kind of thing. Together they usually clear A tier and maybe B1 or B2 but don't get the practice on to see the more wild stuff. It gets kinda samey to se the usual basic enemies. Is there an A or B tier expedition that introduces shadows, chargers, moms, or other more advanced mechanics?

R7B2 has shadows in the secondary for example. Any others with surprises like that? I have far more unlocked so I can take them on a suicide mission but I'd rather not to keep their spirits up.

[winter wharf]

R3B2 has mother

[daring pilot]

R7B3

When it comes, R5B1

[winter wharf]

yeah R7C3 OVL has big chargers/chargers

[daring pilot]

Also R4C1 too

[winter wharf]

R5B1 too, R5A2 should have a mother

[empty ingot]

(taking notes)

[daring pilot]

Ik R4C1 is in C tier but it’s beginning c tier

[winter wharf]

R4C1 is a pretty simple mission (especially if it's only main), so you should be able to get them on board with that

[daring pilot]

yeah and it’s got some cool spooky shit in it

[empty ingot]

Thanks guys 🙏

[daring pilot]

Np

[fresh bronze]

honestly r4 mains aint that bad its when you start throwing in the secs and ovls

some of the mains in r4 are questionably short

[pliant pasture]

yee, its the PEs that just keep going

[fresh bronze]

had a unlucky wipe at end of r4a3 pe, had some strikers forward spawn during the overload right at the end of the overload and it woke up 2 rooms and 2 scouts

pretty much nothing we could have done to survive that one since the scouts where to far away to kill before the forward spawn fucked us

other than that i was suprised by the map being pretty tame for a pe

havent gotten to do the pes for the b tier yet im looking forward to em

[real moss]

R3B2, R4B1 sec, R4B3ovl, R5A2ovl (mothers), R7B2sec (shadows), R7B3ovl, R5B1 and B3 (Chargers)

[real moss]

you could have killed scout waves and moved on 😏

[fresh bronze]

pov you didnt bother picking up resource packs

[real moss]

Rip

[fresh bronze]

damn bots

im at there fucking will rn

[real moss]

level?

[fresh bronze]

just r4b1

dicking around doing a solo run for fun

[real moss]

Ooooh won't be to much a problem there's quite some resources 👍

[fresh bronze]

bots all lost there hp within first 3 minutes standing inside a giant

im done with the level

i think i used a total of like 6 resource packs

[real moss]

The secondary gives you enough

[fresh bronze]

yeah didnt do sec cus im good on doing that with bots

just wanted to clear the map for now to unlock the rest of b tier

[real moss]

But but ... the numbers !!

😭

[fresh bronze]

yeah personal skill issue, on god

man i forgot how bad it is to melee giants with 3 bots

if you go down its gg

how is r4c1 main and sec with bots

[nocturne flax]

12 uplink

[unique gazelle]

For main the tank fight at the end could be somewhat easy if you picked up a cfoam tripmine earlier, or stacking 7 explosive mines to insta kill it. For secondary uplink having 2-3 sniper sentries at the right spot can take a lot pressure off as bots are not actively defending entrances and there's also some chargers

[half hornet]

Main is not a problem, but secondary is rough

Oh, right. Tank...

[nocturne flax]

depending on the terminal location it can be pretty easy

if you have like a burst and sniper in a funnel

[half hornet]

Its random?

We probably rolled one of the worst

[nocturne flax]

and "hopefully" very few enemies comes from the back

[fresh bronze]

running burst not sniper so

[half hornet]

Right in the middle of a large hallway with doors on both sides

[fresh bronze]

and a tank fight with bots

gonna be great

[nocturne flax]

both locations are kinda similar

[nocturne flax]

just mine cheese it

[unique gazelle]

Both should be fine but sniper sentries also benefit from bot bio

[nocturne flax]

its still shoots slow as hell

not gonna lie

need buff

[half hornet]

I'll join on that notion.

They nerfed it a bit too hard.

[fresh bronze]

holy shit the hell door with chargers scared the shit out of me

i wasnt expecting that

[nocturne flax]

blood doors?

[unique gazelle]

When did they last nerfed it? I used it in reactor missions and alarms with long hallways and it still delete waves fast

[fresh bronze]

i was never big on sniper sentries even pre nerf tbh, im to lazy for em in most runs since they take actually decent setup compared to how a burst sentry can be placed anywhere and perform

[fresh bronze]

heard someone call it a hell door and its been the name for me ever since kek

[half hornet]

Last couple of updates, while also buffing shotgun. They tried to bring them together.

Now shotgun rips CQC and sniper... Oof.

[nocturne flax]

r7

[half hornet]

It needs a LOT of range to work with, otherwise it just never shoots

I guess that's fair for a sniper sentry

[unique gazelle]

Okay I've been using sniper sentries alot in alt R4 with bot bio and never had a problem but everyone's experience is different so I can't speak for others

[fresh bronze]

wish i had taken burst cannon on god would make the tank fight so much easier

[half hornet]

But if the map got no long corridors - good luck, that thing is just gonna sleep the entire round and just wave to sleepers passing by

[nocturne flax]

you'll had a better time fighting tank with sniper

specially with bots

sniper just kinda deletes all giants and bosses so you leave the little guys for the bots

[fresh bronze]

using high cal pistol rn so im not to fucked but its not my prefered

how do bots work on tanks do they actually shoot the tumors

or will it basically be all me doing the damage

[unique gazelle]

They don't really

[nocturne flax]

They shoot the bubbles

[unique gazelle]

Pretty much

[nocturne flax]

but they will stand still most of the time getting hit

they dontm dodge they dont get away

[unique gazelle]

So you do need something with high burst to delete tank quick before all your bots goes down

[nocturne flax]

so if you enter cover behind something they will just sit there getting hit

[fresh bronze]

well i have plenty of practice baiting around tanks thanks to r7e1 so surely a solo tank while babysitting cant be that bad

[nocturne flax]

you can beat the tank of one those high platforms on the side of the big tiles

you make sure to keep him busy with los so he doesnt rush you

so he stays down and you stay top

[fresh bronze]

gotcha

man gtfo and chill solo night has turned into hard strategy on countering a single fucking enemy because bots are bots

[real moss]

With bio pings it still works better than shotty

Without I would still bring burst instead of shotty

[prisma zodiac]

i mean

you always bring bio

so

[unique gazelle]

From R4 onwards experience with bots can get sour fast, best to run with players where possible

[fresh bronze]

first time playing with bots in a very long time excluding a bot in 4th player slot

friends are just asleep and i for some reason woke up at 2am

so here i am bored playing gtfo

[real moss]

you'll get C1 down. no worries.

[real moss]

pretty much 😅

[unique gazelle]

Sounds like what typical GTFO player does

[fresh bronze]

if i wanted to suffer i would have done the reactor in b1 with bots but im not a masochist

[coarse berry]

B1 reactor with bots aint bad

[real moss]

I think the 12 code uplink will have a word with you

[prisma zodiac]

its quite chill even

the waves arent bad, the timer is long

[real moss]

Only part I see people die is on the surprise on last code

[fresh bronze]

yeah its mostly a matter of not wanting to deal with the reactor on top of dealing with bots distributing resources in the most cursed way

[fresh bronze]

that suprise almost killed me first time my team did it kek

[real moss]

As it should

[fresh bronze]

i sprinted into that room then looked down the stairs and saw ol mama chilling at the base of the stairs

i was alone while other guys where gathering resources

[unique gazelle]

I wish it's an auto wake up so it's a bit more spicy. For what it is now if the spawn position is good the encounter can be completely skipped which is a bit lame

[coarse berry]

i kinda like that you can stealth it, it is the first b tier after all

[fresh bronze]

yeah it is a b tier so i think it being asleep is fairly balanced

[real moss]

R5A2 👀

[real moss]

R4B3 has you covered

[coarse berry]

I like the vibe that it gives, exactly what subtonix saidd

if its your first time, you're rushing to get the code and stop dead in your tracks

[fresh bronze]

all ik is im loving the secondaries and overloads

[real moss]

good. there's more coming

[fresh bronze]

the mains of r1-3 are fun and all but they aint that hard

altho for some reason rebeating r3c1 was way more of a pain in the ass than it should have been

[real moss]

Actually redid it 2 days ago and confirmed it is ramping up. We had 8 chargers a wave before doing HSU

[fresh bronze]

yeah first time i did it as a duo first try

but then rebeating it with another friend took 3 attempts all dying to an overwhelming amount of chargers

[real moss]

We managed by the power of the foam

[fresh bronze]

fair

my favorite part of the level is extraction when you see the horde of like 40 fucking chargers that where chasing you

[real moss]

But yeah it's starts with 4. gets more with time

And extract triggers full waves I think

[unique gazelle]

You'll get to relive that moment in R4 as well

[real moss]

🥳

[prisma zodiac]

Arteks favourite level

@half hornet right 😛

[fresh bronze]

ammo is such a nonissue in that level than you get to the charger error and suddenly the 3 people with 100, 100 ammo are empty wondering wtf happened

[unique gazelle]

I can only imagine they have the wrong weapons or just not good at aiming

[prisma zodiac]

hel rifle go brr

[half hornet]

Took too long, probably

[fresh bronze]

most likely

[half hornet]

Its just exchanging ammo for time, that's all that's happening.

[fresh bronze]

sure as hell cant melee those waves

[half hornet]

Unfortunately the balance is for fuckin' speedrunners and not an average pub

[prisma zodiac]

o.O

[half hornet]

They could make it 2 chargers, 2 would've been enough

[prisma zodiac]

no lol

[half hornet]

Nah, lets make it 4

[prisma zodiac]

artek, you can melee 2 chargers

[half hornet]

an entire hel rifle mag every 45 seconds

[prisma zodiac]

or even if you shoot, you can hold those for hours

[half hornet]

what is that, 30%?

[prisma zodiac]

a mag is less than 20%

[half hornet]

3 minutes = special at 0%

its that simple

[fresh bronze]

my only problem was the entire level difficulty was completely different from extraction

[prisma zodiac]

so 1 guy can easily hold for 3+ minutes

[fresh bronze]

up until extract the level has basically no difficulty

[prisma zodiac]

so now you telling me you cant get to hsu in that time?

[prisma zodiac]

You also get a brickload of ressources in the side zone you can do

like… going into charger error at 100% with ammo packs on hand isnt uncommon

[unique gazelle]

If I'm correct they even made the hsu zone smaller and now there's only 1 scout instead of 2? Just felt easier in general

[half hornet]

what level are we talking about again...

[prisma zodiac]

R3C1 rn

and if you were talking R4C3

that being 2 chargers also makes it too easy lol

[fresh bronze]

i personally found r3c1 extract harder than r7b3 overload extract

[prisma zodiac]

meh

[half hornet]

Oh, easily

[plush basin]

R7B3 far more gross imo

[prisma zodiac]

r3c1 is hardest when you are taking your time in the hsu zone

[half hornet]

That's because in B3 the team moves as one

These levels force separation or rushing into sleeping rooms

[prisma zodiac]

r7b3 has 2 people shooting, spawns smalls aswell and limits visibility + speed

[prisma zodiac]

it does not?

[fresh bronze]

when you dont know the map layout and have to deal with forward spawning finding the hsu can be a major pain in the ass

[prisma zodiac]

its 50/50

[fresh bronze]

its just not a very well balanced level

[prisma zodiac]

one of them is easy

other is a bit rough

[fresh bronze]

the one behind the big door is definitly easier

[plush basin]

The zone is only 2 rooms right so as soon as you enter they can't forward spawn?

[fresh bronze]

one of them has 3 rooms

[plush basin]

Oh, I think I must have had the same side every time and forgot it could vary

[fresh bronze]

yeah the one behind the small sec door is probably twice as hard as the one behind the large sec door

unfortunately idk the zones because memorizing them is beyond me

[prisma zodiac]

17 and 20

[fresh bronze]

fun level overall but i think it would be better as a d tier with some difficulty buffs to the entire level excluding extract

[prisma zodiac]

20 being the 2 room one

the extract isnt d tier difficulty rly

its a solid ok c tier

short but neat

[plush basin]

The old C1 seemed notable for its insane enemy density before

Its a shame that didn't seem to carry over

[fresh bronze]

my only problem with the level was the ending was leagues harder than the entire rest of the level

[prisma zodiac]

distribution bug ellda

the zones are still hella packed

[fresh bronze]

everything pre charger error plays like an a tier

[prisma zodiac]

its just over all the rooms

[fresh bronze]

excluding a few rooms

[prisma zodiac]

noticeable when trying to speed through

you legit get 30+ enemies on your tail at once

[prisma zodiac]

nah

Any single alarm is harder than anything in main A tiers

theres also the enemy density + infectous fog

[fresh bronze]

fog barely applies to the level since you only need 3 repellers to part to white sea

then whoever gathers fog resources can just use the 10 uses of disinfect

[prisma zodiac]

you still are semi forced to pull the dense rooms

[unique gazelle]

If your team is mining doors when extracting it's okay. If there's no mines and you keep getting backwards spawn they can stack up into a big wave

[fresh bronze]

yeah if you try stealthing the dense rooms your honestly just wasting time imo

you can but its so time consuming and there are so many resources it aint worth it

[prisma zodiac]

id argue, the main part (before extract) is easier than say r1c2

[unique gazelle]

I'd rather spend a few extra seconds to close and mine doors behind just to have a peace of mind when extracting instead of seeing 20+ chargers

[fresh bronze]

is it really fair to compare anything to r1 tho

[prisma zodiac]

yes
i do think its comparable to r2c1 and r2c2 (probably slightly easier) until extract

[fresh bronze]

if majority of early level is c tier than extract is def d tier

maybe the charger rooms could be a problem with really bad spawns

[prisma zodiac]

i mean lets look at say r4d2

the first half is b-c tier, but that doesnt mean the end half is e tier

It just is D tier together

the early part can fit into any c tier. But also into B or D tiers if the rest fits

[fresh bronze]

aint played the level so cant say lmfao

but as i see it the difficulty of the end just doesnt really fit with the rest of the level

i be sleepwalkin that beginning

[unique gazelle]

I think it's more fair to judge the difficulty of the level as a whole rather than breaking it down into different parts, like R2E1 for example

[fresh bronze]

yeah im not really tryna judge what tier it should be in

im mostly just talkin bout the very sharp diff spike at the end being pretty rough

[unique gazelle]

True that, back-loaded difficulty is in general harder than front loaded ones because it's more punishing to redo. But it also gives a more tense experience which is appealing to some

[prisma zodiac]

r7b3 has that aswell, same for r4c3, r6dx

r6c1 kinda (for newer guys)

[fresh bronze]

r7b3 has a checkpoint for better of for worse

[prisma zodiac]

checkpoints dont count

[fresh bronze]

just kinda a bruh moment running through a 30 minute beginning while half asleep just to play the actual level

[real moss]

8 hrs !!!!!!!!!!!!

[prisma zodiac]

R7E1 is backloaded (last code)

[plush basin]

You should make difficulty/time graphs for each level 😄

Would be a fun project

[fresh bronze]

i mean its a e tier level

[prisma zodiac]

dont tempt me lol

[unique gazelle]

That would be R2E1 if you haven't done it, but it's longer than 30mins for the first bit

[fresh bronze]

rip

i aint cus my team still has been to lazy to go back to r2 lmfao

[real moss]

you should before R4E1 really

[fresh bronze]

gonna be a month or two before we get to r4e1

only play once every week or two

[unique gazelle]

R2 does a really good job introducing all the core mechanics, but I suppose you would have seen most of them by now

[fresh bronze]

yeah r7 already did a great job at getting those across

[prisma zodiac]

it does? Feel like charger intro is not good

neither is flyers

both tank and mom are meh (unless you count c2 for mom, then its just eh)

[unique gazelle]

You can easily blast through majority of R2 in one day

[fresh bronze]

not great as in good job at introducing mechanics but great at forcing me to learn them

man its been so long since ive been able to walk through fog without getting infection

is tank auto awake in r4c1

[prisma zodiac]

No

[fresh bronze]

good

damn i was typing in verification 12 when i went down then bots got stuck in a revive loop

[real moss]

rest in peperoni

[fresh bronze]

not a bad first attempt

[tough atlas]

Don't know about that

if you're comparing r3c1 to r1c2

R3C1 has some parts that are trivialized by foaming the right door, mainly the two non-error alarms

[plush basin]

Eva is saying C1 is easier

[tough atlas]

But I cant somehow say that it's easier than R1C2

[plush basin]

ah

[tough atlas]

even without the error

[real moss]

R1C2 on the other hand has a potential 4-5 waves you can mine away

[tough atlas]

I feel like what eva says works if you dont consider the error and if you assume everyone knows the layout and how to exploit that

which is perhaps fair

I really like R3C1 btw

It feels like it uses a lot of stuff without too much padding

key-hunt, zone with inf fog, chargers, scout, 2 alarms, res zone, an error

[real moss]

I feel it should be harder. it's the only C in R3. make it memorable!!!

[prisma zodiac]

It is due to the error

[tough atlas]

Add a big mother where it should be

[real moss]

exactly !

this latvian dude gets it !!!

[prisma zodiac]

thats what i said

R1C2 has rougher alarms that you cant foam as well, but the extract of r3c1 is obviously completel different

imagine if r3c1 hsu zone had a mom

[tough atlas]

I'd be ok with that but no forward spawns 😄

It already has a scout

[half hornet]

I understand why forward spawns is a thing, but I don't like it...

Surely some kind of check could be implemented to ensure spawns from specific direction only.

[tough atlas]

NGL I also hate that shit since it feels like being punished for no reason sometimes

[half hornet]

Mostly it just makes no fucking sense.

[prisma zodiac]

it rly depends

[tough atlas]

I COULD time the opening of the sec door/bulkhead door better but it's just so bizzarre

[prisma zodiac]

sometimes forward spawns are nice

sometimes not at all

[half hornet]

An entire horde spawns in a sleeping room and the room doesn't care.

Just awake the room and send it after me at that point, skip the quirky shit.

[fresh bronze]

wanna talk makes no sense, sleepers at all during a alarm. isnt the whole idea of an alarm that all the sleepers are waking up and coming for you

[half hornet]

There is an argument that alarm gets triggered somewhere else, wakes up the sleepers and they just go berserk searching for someone to rip into.

The alarms that blare in the game are less loud than our comms.

[fresh bronze]

sure as hell ear rape me

[prisma zodiac]

i mean the only error rn that forward spawns and is kinda bs with that is r2e1 imo

the ones where it shouldnt spawn forward at all it doesnt (see r7c3)

[tough atlas]

I'm nitpicking but I also had that in R3C1 and R4A2-A3

[prisma zodiac]

R3C1 imo is fine, zones are small af

[tough atlas]

And both R3C1 and R4A2 can have scout behind those

[prisma zodiac]

A2 overload i can understand. Its wacky as hell

A3 imo is perfectly fine

[unique gazelle]

Don't you just love it when silent charger error keep coming from the front in R4C3

[prisma zodiac]

if it wasnt silent it would be great

the silent part is just shit

[tough atlas]

ah right that too

[fresh bronze]

forward spawning in r4a3 is rough if your unlucky

[prisma zodiac]

its easy and cool to work around tho

[tough atlas]

Can only happen for last zone of Overload

And it's "dangerous" only in specific circumstances

[fresh bronze]

all our scouts where way to far away for us to kill

set off both of them

[tough atlas]

I still consider it an annoyance that shouldn't happen

[fresh bronze]

kinda fucked us over because the game decided why spawn in a reasonable spot away from sleepers

[tough atlas]

Not going to lie, and I dont want to be THAT guy, but both clears I had we kinda ended up fucking the rooms up anyway 😄

I'm more scared by what's in that zone rather than the scout wave tbh

[prisma zodiac]

well, it can happen in the middle one too, just doesnt do anything

[tough atlas]

ah right

[fresh bronze]

yeah just for us dealing with the waves on top of 2 rooms with 2 scouts at once was just to much

[prisma zodiac]

honestly, at this point in a3 i just run in and check if we can kill a scout or 2 in first zone

if not, doesnt matter

we pull the alarm immediatly anywax

[prisma zodiac]

theres only 1 scout in the last zone

[fresh bronze]

i heard two and so did my buddy

[prisma zodiac]

its 1 in the last zone
2 in the first zone (cant forward spawn there unless you troll)

[tough atlas]

With my second clear we literally borked the first zone by waking up both scouts and the rest of the sleepers

[fresh bronze]

we are talking the zone behind the class 4 alarm right

[prisma zodiac]

and once that happens you just start the alarm

[tough atlas]

Can also confirm what Darkeva's saying about scout count

[prisma zodiac]

that one has 0 scouts

[tough atlas]

I also only remember one scout in last zone of overload

[fresh bronze]

i think it was class 4

well idk sounded like 2 but i aint got a recording

[tough atlas]

It's: error starts--->room with sleepers and 2 scouts--->class 4+blood door--->zone with nothing but some small sleepers--->zone with 1 scout and sleeping hybrids some giants

[winter wharf]

If you're talking about the OSIP zones I stg

[tough atlas]

Unless I'm getting some details wrong

[real moss]

that's it

proud of you

[fresh bronze]

osip zones where not really a problem in that level

[tough atlas]

"le baguette" medal of honor

[winter wharf]

Yeah but if you were doing them with the error alarm

[real moss]

😂

[fresh bronze]

aight i thought there was a blood door then the last security door was the class 4

idk been a bit since i played it

[prisma zodiac]

its a class 4 thats also a blood door after

theres no 2nd alarm in overload

[fresh bronze]

yeah i just had the doors mixed up

its an a tier level

i didnt bother commiting it to memory

[prisma zodiac]

Should do a pe speedrun of it

embed it into memory

[fresh bronze]

im good

dont enjoy speedrunning

[winter wharf]

No, YOU should do a pe speedrun of it

[prisma zodiac]

I asked people, nobody answered yet

[fresh bronze]

bruh a giant spawned on a table

[daring pilot]

table giant

Giant on da table

[fresh bronze]

i was wondering wtf was going on

[plush basin]

What do you do when the sleepers safespot back

they are learning

[daring pilot]

Another giant called him 7’11” so he got on the table

[fresh bronze]

he fucking licked me the bastard

[real moss]

The game is becoming harder

soon it will play us

[real moss]

If it's without consent: #metoo

[plush basin]

soon sleepers will beat humans at chess

[real moss]

That right here is the real apocalypse

forget skynet

[daring pilot]

How a sleeper beats you at chess: it just kills you

Can’t win a chess game if you die

[real moss]

checkm8

[daring pilot]

Yup

[fresh bronze]

clearly it worked on my dumbass

[plush basin]

A charger did it to me recently too, its just standing there so I want to hammer it but I should have just shot

[fresh bronze]

rip 18% hp from the sounds of it

[tough atlas]

It's a one-use giant

[plush basin]

R4D2PE enjoyers, 2 questions:

1. if you are using cfoam strats do you save any for the final alarm door?
2. Do you try and bait shadows behind you then run past, or just go and shoot the ones from ahead when picking up the cargo

(this is for 3 man but I don't see it making much difference in strategy)

[velvet flower]

1. Not trying to save any, most of my runs still have enough to foam (at least partially) both side doors.
2. Shoot

[half hornet]

Saving foam for final alarm scan helps, but it's not gonna help if you can't survive the others. You do what you must. Just dump all tool refill into foam-man.

My squad shot the shadows until they stopped forward spawning.

[unique gazelle]

1. Ideally you want to mine/ foam both doors on left and right, the main entrance you could save for extraction if wanted
   2.) Shoot forward spawns, once everything is at the back foam doors behind as you go but don't mine them

[half hornet]

Had anyone ever seen the insides of the resource room?

[plush basin]

I seem to be using more foam than other people before the end... are there alarms that you skip foaming? The bridge one maybe?

Normally I use foam from Class 4 onwards

[unique gazelle]

The bridge one means the class 6 one? That one it's the easiest if you perma foam

[plush basin]

Maybe its just that alarms are taking longer with one player missing

[unique gazelle]

For class 5/8 you can just foam all doors once, class6/7 could benefit from repeated foaming

[fresh bronze]

kek i was doing the class 3 charger alarm for the secondary in r4c1 and just 1 fucking shooter came out

[plush basin]

I'll probably try and save on foam on some of them then, I normally perma foam the class 5 too

[unique gazelle]

Anything before class 5 can just shoot it if you want to save tool

[fresh bronze]

one goofy ass shooter

[plush basin]

Only problem is that in the early stages there is too much tool to carry pretty much, it just all gets used up on the long alarms later

[unique gazelle]

If you are comfortable with staying alive just ditch all the medpacks and carry tool/ammo

[prisma zodiac]

only class 5 onwards

[velvet flower]

Class 5 and 7 benefit the most from foaming I'll say. Especially the class 7 one: chargers spawn very close and the pathing allow them to rush straight to you very fast

[half hornet]

I just burn everything.

[prisma zodiac]

class 7 isnt bad if you have someone with hel rifle

[fresh bronze]

generally from my experience if there are two doors no foam you can finish all the scans of a class 4 or almost all of em

[prisma zodiac]

especially the spawn direction „spawn“ is a super insane funnel

[plush basin]

I was thinking perhaps the bridge one seeing as its long spawn distance and a nice line to shoot down could be done without foam

[prisma zodiac]

its not that nice

[plush basin]

I got some insane shots down that line when we ran out before the end on that one

[prisma zodiac]

you can let it break early tho

[plush basin]

Most satisfying hel rifle play

[prisma zodiac]

and then use the first door in the next zone to clean the wave if needed

[plush basin]

ah, thats a nice idea

[unique gazelle]

Shooting the class 7 is easier than the class 6 I reckon

[velvet flower]

For example, in class 7 you dump a hel rifle mag to kill a wave. You save like 5~7 seconds. In class 6/8 you kill a wave, you have 15+ seconds before next wave coming

Class 7 is easy to shoot but burn much more resources compare to class 6/8

[plush basin]

Isn't the class 8 a bit rng in that respect? the side zones are close whereas the main path is a lot longer

[unique gazelle]

For my runs they spawn from all sides in the class 8

[velvet flower]

The side zones are close but the pathing actually make them come very slow

They need to climb 2 stairs and sometime one ladder

[half hornet]

I really learned to love HEL rifle. It's like the perfect balance between full sniper and precision Rifle. Hits hard enough, but can be used on more than giants. Getting multikill is very fun.

And looks cool while at it. Gauss-looking thing. The only thing that bothers me is that I swear it was supposed to have an iron sight and not ACOG.

[prisma zodiac]

class 8 you mostly shoot, just mine and foam doors once should make it chill

[velvet flower]

When chargers side-stepping they moved way slower, just hold your fire until charger is getting close before you shoot

[prisma zodiac]

and yea, you dont „want“ to shoot class 7

but you have enough ammo realistically anyway

[unique gazelle]

Class 7 also gives you 4 doors to mine/foam so you could shoot the rest once doors are broken or refoam

[plush basin]

Sounds like there are some places we could save on foam and shoot a bit more, I'll crack it soon 😤 we are just either wiping on the class 8 or start of the error runback

[unique gazelle]

As long as you have enough ammo for class8 + tank

[plush basin]

We might be trying to be too cute by baiting the enemies behind us

[unique gazelle]

You mean the shadows?

[plush basin]

yeah

I think in theory it can work quite well

But people are just getting downed in silly ways passing by them...

[prisma zodiac]

just shoot em

[unique gazelle]

If you have a bot on bio I'd say just brute force by shooting

[prisma zodiac]

if you have bio generally

[unique gazelle]

There's no tag downtime almost

[prisma zodiac]

bot bio is a crutch

[plush basin]

no bot, just 3 people

but we are bio foam mines

[unique gazelle]

Missing one slot to carry supplies can create problem as well as fighting in general

[prisma zodiac]

shouldnt rly be much of an issue

just drop meds or ammo when full

can always get em on the way back

[plush basin]

Leaving all the resources in Overload is nice

Gives us a nice treat when we get back

[half hornet]

Bio upfront, shoot on sight. Carry a medkit and stuff it in your face while pushing forward to be sure.

[real moss]

skip turbine. we leave the tools in ovl to refill foam for the run back

and don't mine doors on the run back

[fresh bronze]

got a different terminal for the 12 uplink and that terminal is in a significantly worse spot

[hexed vapor]

P sure both spots are fine?

Defend 2 door

[fresh bronze]

the room it was in had 4 doors in there

was a wee bit of a bruh moment

[hexed vapor]

They only go to 2

Even with all closed.

Especially with all closed, actually.

[fresh bronze]

i had 3 doors break down

one right behind me and the 2 in the far sides of the room

that and the weird box structure in the middle of the room was buggin out the bots

they kept standing inside me

[hexed vapor]

The one right behind you would have to have been due to leaving something open or someone being out of terminal room.

There is no reason for them to ever enter or spawn in that room.

[tough atlas]

Which map are you two talking about?

I scrolled up but cant find it

[hexed vapor]

R4C1Sec

[fresh bronze]

r4c1 secondary

[tough atlas]

ah

[fresh bronze]

bots really did not like that terminal is all i know

[tough atlas]

I assume you mean the room with 3 doors?

[fresh bronze]

the one with 4

the one with 3 was very manageable

[tough atlas]

I'd lie if I say that I remember that layout

[fresh bronze]

i dont blame you

[hexed vapor]

3 rooms across the terminal room.

1 door connects, 1 door connects, 2 doors connect.

[tough atlas]

but I assume you know that you can spawnpush stuff (not doable if you play with bots)

[hexed vapor]

Enemies spawn outside the tile and enter at the far left and right rooms.

[fresh bronze]

did it twice and got both terminals and ik damn well now the terminal i just got was significantly worse positioning wise

the one in the far back was pretty damn comfy tho

[hexed vapor]

I'm telling you, something was up w/ your setup.

[fresh bronze]

the bots where the problem

terminal was in a weird spot in the room

not even counting the points of entry

i can manage a 3rd point of entry but if the bots dont wanna participate then thats just how it be

[tough atlas]

Ok with the map at hand I think I get the idea

I'm pretty sure they only spawn in I and D anyway?

[fresh bronze]

the terminal is positioned on this weird box structure and the bots where getting stuck on it just not defending

[tough atlas]

if you all stand in H

F,G,E are connected directly to H by a door

[tough atlas]

Ray's right

Personally we dumped a guy on I to make them only spawn from C so we could foam door from D to E

[fresh bronze]

no clue i might have missed a door

[tough atlas]

I've no idea about bots fucking it up but I think wave only break far East and Far West door

[hexed vapor]

They did when I foamed those sides.

[fresh bronze]

actually now that i think about it i wonder if my turret placement was causing the bots to fuck up

[unique gazelle]

What tools are you using?

[hexed vapor]

Also, if they did split 3 ways that'd make it super easy.

5 doors is a huge delay w/ c-foam.

4 doors still good, tho.

[fresh bronze]

2 burst, bio, and a mine

bot ai is so funky

[real moss]

ditch a burst take foam

[fresh bronze]

might just ditch mines

good for the hell door but generally not to helpful

[hexed vapor]

Mono-foam is going to give you max cap uplink waves

Probably bad.

[unique gazelle]

I remember taking 2 sniper sentries for this level and they did lots of work thinning out waves, can't speak for mine/foam strat maybe that's even better

[fresh bronze]

yeah the burst are pretty much carrying

esspecially when my bots are standing around

i think really the only change i need is to run another player

[hexed vapor]

Tbh w/ another player foam is even better.

Super boring, but very strong.

[prisma zodiac]

honestly, id rather ditch foam in a run with 3 bots than mines lol

mines delay enemys multiple times

[fresh bronze]

yeah but 2 foams for the entire level doesnt sound as fun

[prisma zodiac]

2 foams?

you take 1

[fresh bronze]

maybe i misunderstood

regardless idk foam doesnt seem like it be the right play here

well the fun play

[prisma zodiac]

foam, with 2 players is 100% the right play

[fresh bronze]

stalling never hurts

[prisma zodiac]

especially since you can force them to spawn behind a single door you can perma foam

[hexed vapor]

Single door is cringe.

Be a real foamer and hold both.

[fresh bronze]

thats where the double came from

[prisma zodiac]

i like running through half the zone to get them all behind 1 door tho

[hexed vapor]

Don't need two launchers for two doors.

[fresh bronze]

would think you would considering distance between the doors

[hexed vapor]

It's slightly hard to maintain

but really not that bad.

Especially when one side will more than likely have a bias.

[prisma zodiac]

yea

[fresh bronze]

well regardless as a one man i def wont be running foam because i need the sentries to consistently back me up when the bots decide they wont

[unique gazelle]

I don't know if burst sentries are that great against chargers in general, have my doubts on it but I might be wrong. What was killing your team?

[velvet flower]

Alt:R4C1 is nerfed too hard that I have so little motivation to replay it.

[fresh bronze]

bots using hammer when they had 40-50% ammo

[prisma zodiac]

is it?

[hexed vapor]

It's literally the same.

[fresh bronze]

and bots not moving

on the first run i just got downed while in terminal screen and bots revive looped until wipe

[prisma zodiac]

they are not, they are mostly getting them staggered and lower to be finished off

[fresh bronze]

id give the bots better weapons for chargers if i didnt have to worry about them all shooting me in the back with high power weapons during stealth

[velvet flower]

They have much more chargers in OG R4C1 iirc

[unique gazelle]

Most likely you have to move between punching in codes so the bots move with you and stop meleeing

[hexed vapor]

Where?

[unique gazelle]

I don't think bots can shoot the person they are following?

[fresh bronze]

you dont play enough with bots then

[velvet flower]

Terminal uplink. Never mind I lookup my legacy video I must've got confused with something else

[fresh bronze]

was what i was doing they just didnt wanna use there guns which was wacky

should be fun with players tho

[unique gazelle]

I wouldn't rely much on bots killing chargers consistently, best to use tools where you could just kill them outright

[fresh bronze]

on my first run of the level they didnt have any problems

they defended great

well they defended decently

second run they got so confused

[real moss]

do the Error shutdown

Doesn't make it harder but it makes it more fun

[fresh bronze]

my only problem with the level is the stealth sections have basically no large groups and there aint many giants

its pretty tedious

the rest of its is pretty fun

[hexed vapor]

One of the few cases where the alt is empty af because the OG was empty af.

Although Secondary has way less scouts, and probably less smalls by extention.

[fresh bronze]

yeah its really empty, there is a lot of running around doing nothing but looking for boxes aswell

id give it a few more runs with bots but im not willing to redo the beginning over and over again

ill just wait till i have another player or two

[real moss]

btw as you replayed OG just before Alt. could you turn off the Error in OG as well? I never even tried in OG

[hexed vapor]

Probably.

My understanding is that uplinks have probably always worked this way, it just wasn't widely understood.

[real moss]

do a couple of B2 or B3 runs

[fresh bronze]

what should i expect out of em

[real moss]

I like it as an alternate path. but it baffles me it's even possible

[real moss]

B2: lots of running. B3: your mom

[fresh bronze]

mom with bots sounds awful

and b2 sounds like c1

[real moss]

Those are very brief and not helpful description at all

[hexed vapor]

B2 somehow best level in R4 😔

[real moss]

not at all

[daring pilot]

[fresh bronze]

c1 has so much running

[real moss]

After E1 imo

[hexed vapor]

I'm a little doomed on E1.

[real moss]

It's not in the same way

[fresh bronze]

also was thinking about if doing all 3 hell doors for resources would be net positive in c1

not that it would be necessary

[real moss]

feel free to check it out

[hexed vapor]

Many parts are boring, lots of minor nerfs make it hard to compare to its predecessor, etc.

[hexed vapor]

Oh, it for sure is.

Just not really worth the energy.

[fresh bronze]

is c1 the first tank if you do all rundowns in order

r4c1

[real moss]

I agree on the nerfs. But imo the highs outweigh the boring parts on that level

[real moss]

yes

[fresh bronze]

thats what i thought

[hexed vapor]

I guess.

[fresh bronze]

with 4 players i guess you could open up all the hell doors then each person take a zone

[fresh bronze]

cool so its a introductory level

[real moss]

with 4 players I would not even bother

[hexed vapor]

That's basically what what my last group did.

3 exp players, so we just kind of opened and blasted and went our own ways.

[fresh bronze]

i mean its not a terrible idea and doing all 3 at once would be nearly as fast

and there is resource to be gained

[hexed vapor]

We did it more for entertainment value than optimization.

[real moss]

too lazy

[hexed vapor]

Level has plenty of resource already, so.

[fresh bronze]

yeah thats what it usually comes down to

i can but it aint worth the effort

its a first attempt and first attempt only kinda thing imo

[hexed vapor]

I might just be burnt out on the duo, actually.

Duo turns that level into 2-ish, but mostly 1, hard section.

So as you get more consistent trying to beat that hard part, it's mostly going through the motions.

It is fairly high octane, all things considered.

[fresh bronze]

man my problem with bots only is im to stupid to navigate these maze ass levels so i end up spending 5-6 times longer gathering resources and figuring out where things are

[hexed vapor]

Gotto go around to get in sometimes.

[plain saddle]

You'll slowly get a second sense for where to go on the tiles, the reuse of tiles actually kinda makes it good to navigate

[fresh bronze]

i have 300 hours almost man its just not gonna happen

[plain saddle]

key word slowly

I guess

[fresh bronze]

i got friends with 50 hours in this game who navigate better than i do

im to stupid to play with bots on god

[plain saddle]

I'd say the big thing is that it's kinda hard to learn when playing just with bots, bots can't really teach you. Getting exposed to different player's ideas/strats etc. is a big way to learn

[fresh bronze]

i think the inverse, having played with 3 players or more basically 99% of my playtime has caused me to default to following people to figure out where im going

[kind swan]

Subtonix.

Back during R6

I was playing R6A1

(I was on edibles and had a "These Edibles ain't shit moment")

I kept thinking I was playing different levels/rundowns just from the tilesets I kept seeing

[daring pilot]

[kind swan]

And playing with my old old group

I never would've thought I would have a "These edibles ain't shit moment"

in GTFO

Afterwards I was like.
"I really got LOST in R6A1"

[empty ingot]

@deep jay do you have fancy maps for alt rundowns 1-3?

[prisma zodiac]

the normal maps are all uploaded

if you mean kennys specific ones… imagine him workin on it

[empty ingot]

His R7 maps are better detailed; whatever tool/style he switched to is superior to the composite screenshots of in-game maps. But I take your meaning, the old stuff is better than nothing.

[prisma zodiac]

his are easier to see the rooms, but its less detailed

in exchange

he playing rn tho

[empty ingot]

not in a rush, it's a workday after all

[winter wharf]

I know hunter uploaded the level layouts for all the ALT rundowns, but no annotations on them (but as you said those are really just screenshots of in game maps)

[velvet flower]

In OG:R4B3 there's a glitch that allows player to retype the last uplink_verify command one more time so it will cancel the error alarm triggered by finishing main objective. Yeah terminal uplink always works this way.

[hexed vapor]

Neat.

[nocturne flax]

I did hope they buffed boss room a lot more on R4E1

add some enemies to it

bosses by themselves are not threatening

[fallow wasp]

Stand around after opening it for about half a minute before engaging and it’ll get a deal harder

[night prawn]

Amazing Softlock bug at R4C3:
only 1 cell exist on Secondary Mission, installed on a generator at Zone_264
3 cells exist on Overload Mission at Zone_320, Zone_321 & Zone_322.
got locked out while doing secondary mission since you need 2 cells on the generator to open the door to Zone_267 where the Bulkhead_Key is at.

[half hornet]

Yeah, that's a thing.

Wesley reported it too.

Rare, but happens apparently.

[real moss]

list cells on drop. If 4 restart

[night prawn]

Would be a bad level design if it leads to softlock, imagine players using the best booster only to get softlocked in the end.

[winter wharf]

it's a glitch, not game design

but yeah it sucks, had a few runs brick to that

[deft kiln]

Just list cell then do overload first

If 4

[half hornet]

Or settle for main only, might as well get the clear.

See it as practice.

[winter wharf]

no, every clear must be all optional objectives

main only is nothing like PE

[half hornet]

10, 2, 1, 0

[winter wharf]

[1,1,1,1]

as it should be

work smarter, not harder, never replay missions

[velvet linden]

the real gamer move is to get [1,1,1,1], get your cosmetic, then reset your rundown and never replay it

[winter wharf]

unfortunately I replayed all the levels for my cosmetics and so I could be big cheddar and E1 solo

[deft kiln]

Gtfo isn’t meant to be replayed

[prisma zodiac]

i agree with the softlock being bad due to a glitch , but boosters legit dont matter

[prisma zodiac]

0,0,0,0

[velvet linden]

then you have lost gtfo the game

[winter wharf]

I am aware, and the game has lost me

give me my occiput kills back

[velvet linden]

no lol