and what ake
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
wide lion
whet i can make
invite for 30-40 times
and games lags on all)
one no see me
i not see two
xD
but that doesn't change the fact that it supports my postэ
orchid kindle
I would recommend using #gtfo-media instead of spamming images in this chat
wide lion
I would recommend using <#585063132553281556> instead of spamming images in this...
but i wait when support see my problems.
orchid kindle
where's the problem?
orchid kindle
but what does this have to do with any of that?
orchid kindle
I can't see how any of these images have any connection to your issue
wide lion
no
it`s one of 40 times
to get connecrt
and i sit with this host,because i can`t invite to another.
orchid kindle
and i sit with this host,because i can`t invite to another.
you mean join?
also, you don't have to post a bunch of images about it
that's not even what this chat is for
half hornet
Support don't look here though.
unique gazelle
that's not even what this chat is for
Had to block the guy, nothing personal but all this visual clutter is taking the p now
orchid kindle
nice
wide lion
fresh bronze
Spamming other chats about the same issue wont change nothing
Use the channel dedicated for it and just wait for someone who knows
half hornet
To be fair: I can understand the frustration and desperation when your favorite game doesn't work properly and you can't find a solution.
kind swan
Many of us in this server have become one with the Copium
All these issues people complain at this point is just normal
"Features" as we call it
Not bugs
narrow gulch
gtfo is a bug free game
hexed vapor
Their bugs are cute, tho.
kind swan
Tru
I cringed at the recent anime mods coming out of deep rock though.
I'll use them anyhow
fresh bronze
To be fair: I can understand the frustration and desperation when your favorite ...
As someone who spent 14 hours debugging a minecraft server i do aswell. But annoying other people about it wont get an awnser
kind swan
fresh bronze
I cringed at the recent anime mods coming out of deep rock though.
I need a shit anime reskin of gtfo to make this game as cursed as possible
fresh bronze
It would be so fucking cursed the more and more i think of it
It would also be really hard to make because of limbs being blown off
half hornet
Another day, another R4D2 attempt. Its not gonna go well, i can already tell.
winter wharf
losers mentality
half hornet
One guy quit immediately when we triggered the shadow scouts in OV.
pliant pasture
you can play other games, solataire still comes standard on windows devices
fallow wasp
I was fortunate to get a set of godly teammates and beat D2 PE first try
winter wharf
christ, quitting from 1 scout going off is terrible
half hornet
Said something about observing us, apparently we didn't pass the "PE test"
winter wharf
that sounds so edgelord wtf
narrow gulch
average gtfo player
half hornet
he sounded tired as shit
pliant pasture
average gtfo gamer
half hornet
i think he's been stuck in this hellhole for a while, so i can emphathise
fallow wasp
Any levels outside of r4 you have yet to beat?
half hornet
R1, 2, 3 and 7 are fully cleared.
Its only this thing and i can move on to better games
fallow wasp
Hmm, perhaps replay some older levels you enjoy
half hornet
no no no you dont get it
fallow wasp
or at least don't hate fervently
half hornet
its all about the check list
get the clears, get the drip
call it a gamer duty finished, go away
i buy games to beat them, prefferably with 100%
narrow gulch
horrible mentality 👍
fallow wasp
I understand wanting to clear everything perfectly well
I have a burning hatred of R5C2
pliant pasture
if its causing you this much damage, and you are obsessing over it, cheat then uninstall.
deft kiln
horrible mentality 👍
no
pliant pasture
then go read a book, talk a walk, work on yourself
deft kiln
it is based
pliant pasture
self harm is not based
narrow gulch
anyone not playing games for fun is not doing it right
pliant pasture
wow, goes to show why i should not pretype out messages lol
deft kiln
yet i do it every day
half hornet
its a two-edged sword
deft kiln
no it is just self harm
a guy door bugs
a guy spends 3 hours looking for ammo
a guy trys to show me a really cool spot
half hornet
I enjoy the in-the-moment gameplay, the little things. I like stabbing monsters and watch them explode into viscera. The little things.
winter wharf
a guy trys to show me a really cool spot
ok but this spot is really cool right, like I've got to show you this
half hornet
I hate that it grind to a halt all my other projects. But i don't do multi-track drifting - i get one thing done and move to the other.
pliant pasture
I hate that it grind to a halt all my other projects. But i don't do multi-track...
i really love this game, but its not worth what you are doing to yourself man. you can find the pieces you like in other games
learning to let go of sunk cost fallacy is an important lesson you gotta learn as a hyperfixator
buddy just, let go
deft kiln
learning to let go of sunk cost fallacy is an important lesson you gotta learn a...
i wish
i had some one tell me this
then i was 1700 hours into gtfo
winter wharf
or artek needs a scripted pub/stacked team
daring pilot
somebody needs a static
deft kiln
what level artek
winter wharf
r4d2 pe
deft kiln
is needed
pliant bear
then i was 1700 hours into gtfo
And so, there remained no soul in this body...
deft kiln
there is
winter wharf
like honestly, if you want to do an r4d2 if I'm on I'll help you
pliant pasture
its not too late, its never too late 
[00's music intensifies]
pliant pasture
|| and fr fr, if pubs make you sad you should stop pubbing lol ||
deft kiln
no pubs are pretty cool
pliant pasture
give yourself a break my dude
deft kiln
but recently they have been getting worse
fallow wasp
I met some pretty cool people in pubs
deft kiln
same
pliant bear
but recently they have been getting worse
how exactly, i wonder.
pliant pasture
same, I also met cool pubs
deft kiln
how exactly, i wonder.
honestly it is probs just r4
levels are just so long
i have to be with them
fallow wasp
I think the more difficult the rundown, the more toxic the community is
daring pilot
Pubs have been getting worse since ALT R1 imo
deft kiln
I think the more difficult the rundown, the more toxic the community is
yeah 100%
narrow gulch
I havent had a toxic pub in a while luckily
fallow wasp
Meet your friends between R6 and R7
daring pilot
R6 and 7 I met some super nice people, was always friendly
deft kiln
but honestly just the length of the levels
spending an hour with some players way to hard
daring pilot
ALT R1 was where I (ironically) started seeing cheaters and griefers, and it all went downhill from there
pliant pasture
45 mins is monumentally more manageable
pliant bear
a plenty of levels are just exhausting, yet they are quite long...
Especially with PE's and stuff
narrow gulch
20 seconds hammering mom 😄
60 minutes pub lobby 😮💨
daring pilot
Idk if permanent levels have meant people are more willing to invest in the game and therefore more cheaters come?
But like man
pliant bear
20 seconds hammering mom 😄
60 minutes pub lobby 😮💨
And then you play GTFO?
daring pilot
The overall mindset/niceness of people has dipped since old rundowns came back
deft kiln
honestly i think i am just burnt out of the same levels i have already played
pliant pasture
not all of us can be Voxy
deft kiln
voxy picks a good
daring pilot
like i stg some of the Pubs I did in ALT R2 were like straight up assholes
deft kiln
level
deft kiln
like i stg some of the Pubs I did in ALT R2 were like straight up assholes
sorry could have been me
narrow gulch
im so looking forward to r6
daring pilot
Nah it was definitely aqua :3
narrow gulch
r5 not as much
pliant pasture
Nah it was definitely aqua :3
NNOOOOO
daring pilot
R5 I think is gonna be cool too
pliant pasture
fallow wasp
R5 was my starting rundown
daring pilot
Jkjk u and orange were great on R7B3
fallow wasp
Didn't beat past C1 main
daring pilot
R5 moment
fallow wasp
Truly a ruthless rundown
pliant pasture
Jkjk u and orange were great on R7B3
that was a fun time 
daring pilot
R6 i liked, it’s like the chill older brother of GTFO rundowns
daring pilot
Easier than R7, but fun
velvet linden
1-3 alt were pretty fun
r1 alt was boring as shit
daring pilot
I think R7 was more fun at points
winter wharf
i am gonna finish r4 then uninstall for a bit probs
how long will it take to finish
daring pilot
But overall it got tedious from the bugs
winter wharf
oh lmao
pliant pasture
r1 alt was boring as shit
and short as shit, it helps a lot
winter wharf
I've been working through after getting my reset
velvet linden
join the uncompleted r4 gang
daring pilot
Like R7B3, C1, D2, C2 were cool and fun
winter wharf
A3, and then I probably waste 11 hours of my life doing solo R4E1 + reactor which is facilitated by cheese
oh my god I need c1 as well
I forgot noooooooo that mission is so boring
at least C2 has shadow scouts
daring pilot
But I think I have replayed every level in R6 from a desire to replay it at least once
pliant pasture
Like R7B3, C1, D2, C2 were cool and fun
but gardens 
deft kiln
r1 alt was boring as shit
at least the levels are all like 20 mins
daring pilot
*but gardens* <:flashbacks:777596609588232222>
I would like to keep my desk not on fire thank you
velvet linden
r1c1 makes me want to unplug my computer
pliant bear
r1c1 makes me want to unplug my computer
I remember how i've tried to beat it with bots only since i was very new to the game
daring pilot
R6 level design was just solid, levels were fun, the main rundown wasn’t too buggy, and it was just good vibes
velvet linden
i kinda wish they reamped these levels
shoulda started at alt r2
deft kiln
shoulda started at alt r2
yeah
daring pilot
but the funni helmet
deft kiln
r2 could have made some cool level changes
pliant bear
r4 with one buggy Secondary before the last patch
with the cell spawning in the walls
velvet linden
r4c1 keeping the 3 blood doors for bulkhead key
choose your own adventure
daring pilot
They’re so pointless
daring pilot
There were a lot of pointless things IMO
pliant pasture
hmm they learned and grew a lot as designers, and brought bery little back with them into the ALTs because they were too slavishly loyal to the OGs
pliant pasture
the ALTs Should have been remasters instead of remakes
deft kiln
but the problem isnt there isnt a lot to remaster
like not all gtfo levels are bangers
ngl
pliant pasture
tru
deft kiln
r2e1 remaster cool
daring pilot
R4C2 is quite literally called Bland for a reason
But like
We could’ve had chargers in R2
half hornet
i completely forgot that level, and i fuckin' bot-solo'd it
deft kiln
r2d2 could have been a 7-8 code reactor
velvet linden
i completely forgot that level, and i fuckin' bot-solo'd it
because nothing happens in it
daring pilot
They could’ve absolutely worked levels to be different in a more interesting and fun way
half hornet
i mean... there are surge alarms in a fucked up large fog-room
daring pilot
Literally what they did in R3D1 is a great example
Even without major changes, they made the stealth zones that much more interesting
Sure you have absolutely incredulous amounts of ammo and can just pull it
velvet linden
i mean... there are surge alarms in a fucked up large fog-room
me when 3 bot with veruta
half hornet
They could’ve absolutely worked levels to be different in a more interesting and...
But then people would complain that things got changed. Were they nerfed, were they buffed?...
daring pilot
But it’s a really cool remaster to a level
daring pilot
But then people would complain that things got changed. Were they nerfed, were t...
People will always complain
literally no matter what
half hornet
Objective truth.
deft kiln
i mean yeah i understand but
half hornet
Devs should just adhere to good game design and do what is right.
daring pilot
Yeah R4 was the first iteration of bulkheads so I cut it some slack, but they could’ve changed it in ALT
wary olive
I don't think people have complained about level "buffs" as in things that made them harder than the OG
wary olive
R3D1 charger scout zone being an example, I don't think anyone didn't like that change
daring pilot
But they were used way better in R6 and 7
deft kiln
R3D1 charger scout zone being an example, I don't think anyone didn't like that ...
was sick
and cool
daring pilot
I don't think people have complained about level "buffs" as in things that made ...
Me when they buff the bulkhead scan distance
wary olive
🏃♂️
deft kiln
Me when they buff the bulkhead scan distance
r4 the cell walk rundown
so cool
i get a fog turbine that needs to be everywhere in the level
deft kiln
they always couldnt
daring pilot
They could
deft kiln
really
deft kiln
that is cool
daring pilot
It broke after they fixed the ladder thing
Bots in R6 were shit at scans, could climb ladders with heavy items and could pick up items in combat
earnest crest
Wait thats what broke it? I thought it was after the release of alt//R2
daring pilot
R7 bots lost the ability to bring heavy items up ladders, gained the ability to ditch literally anything for lock melters, and also were changed to avoid tanks and Pablo
The last change was undocumented but it happened mid-R7
velvet linden
R7 bots lost the ability to bring heavy items up ladders, gained the ability to ...
*Immortal
daring pilot
Also R7 bots were way better at scanning
R1 fixed ladderbug but suddenly bots couldn’t pick heavy items up in combat anymore
They still will ditch all kinds of useful items for 12 lock melters
Which is great and not annoying at all
coarse berry
R7 bots lost the ability to bring heavy items up ladders, gained the ability to ...
they WERE???? they just stare at pablo for me
go from 100 to 0 in a second
daring pilot
they WERE???? they just stare at pablo for me
When was the last time u brought them to pablo?
coarse berry
like a month or two
pliant pasture
Tank_boss
"Congratulations on the promotion at work girlfriend! Big tank_boss Energy!!"
deft kiln
Girl_friend let’s goo
obtuse surge
when will they remove kiting for the bots
its kinda unfair that bot dauda can kite faster than me
velvet linden
get good
obtuse surge
i think bot dauda uses heroic heart
obtuse surge
someone check him pc
velvet linden
bot dauda is the only goated no mic player
obtuse surge
joemie??
velvet linden
trash
half hornet
stupid piece of shit door bugged out
velvet linden
did you try hel gun
half hornet
hel rifle actually
But its worthless in the class 6 (7?) room. The one that's super small with 2 doors.
I can't snipe at close quarters, that's outside of my capabilites.
velvet linden
is this still r4c3
half hornet
II was at 100% cfoam, i could hold off that door forever
but piece of shit bugged out and 2nd portion went through
Now, that's R4D2
daring pilot
did we ever figure out if the foam going through doors was cracks? Or is it just foam
half hornet
we werent even through round 3 when they broke the door and just bumrushed us
no its just foam
door hitbox breaks and foam doesnt connect to it
i never spray in one spot, i spray it around for aesthetic reasons
you really think all 10 blobs hit the cracks?
IS there any way to avoid this bug? Being a host or something?
velvet flower
No
half hornet
FML
velvet linden
use a sentry instead
half hornet
I guess i'll have to add praying to god to my GTFO routine then
velvet flower
As long as it's lab door it can happens
daring pilot
Wait it’s a lab thing specifically?
velvet linden
no
daring pilot
lol ok
velvet flower
I do think it's lab specific
daring pilot
I was like excuse me?
velvet linden
there is a lab tile where you can get it coensistantly if I remember correctly
half hornet
in my anecdotal experience this bug only happens to long doors
velvet linden
I think thats where it comes from
half hornet
i don't remember square doors breaking
daring pilot
Yeah that tracks
half hornet
wow, so its a 50/50 coin flip
daring pilot
I’ve never seen foam go through doors
half hornet
if charger spawn in wrong direction - you're fucked
daring pilot
Ig I rarely use it tho
half hornet
We were doing so well too
daring pilot
I usually just use guns
half hornet
yeah, good luck stopping charger surge alarm
daring pilot
mmm what
narrow gulch
it happens on small doors too
daring pilot
Charger surge?
half hornet
smack smack smack smack
velvet linden
where did bro find a charger surge
half hornet
No?
I dont know, maybe i'm going insane but i swear R4D2 alarms are almost all surges
daring pilot
No? Most of them aren’t
narrow gulch
only the overload bulkhead and the fog turbine door are surges
and those are regulars
fallow wasp
I think there are 4 surges in D2
half hornet
Weird, i don't feel a difference
pliant pasture
I dont know, maybe i'm going insane but i swear R4D2 alarms are almost all surge...
just the optionals
half hornet
They just keep coming
daring pilot
There are like 10 alarms in D2 and 2 of them are surges
fallow wasp
unless I am thinking of the wrong level
daring pilot
There are no vanilla charger surges though
velvet linden
They just keep coming
all alarms work like that
velvet flower
It's not surge, but the class 7 in R4D2 they respawn very close (even in LOS)
pliant pasture
I am mixing them up
One slog bleeds into another
narrow gulch
so true
half hornet
I find it amusing how much of a difficulty spike R4D2 main is, all things considered. All other levels become problematic because of Overloads / PEs specifically, while mains and secondaries are chill.
But with D2 its basically just the main that everyone struggles with. No one picks up the cargo, so the overload is not there. Secondary just puts a slight and very forgiving time constraint on people. Its the goddamn class bazzilion alarms with chargers that everyone dies to, specifically.
velvet linden
did you remember to believe in yourself
deft knot
they WERE???? they just stare at pablo for me
if you have bots on bio for R7E1 they will keep trying to tag pablo which is non-taggable and just end up dying as they can't move when using biotracker
half hornet
if you have bots on bio for R7E1 they will keep trying to tag pablo which is non...
FLMAO
What a well designed game.
daring pilot
Yes, simply don’t put bots on bio
daring pilot
it’s a bad idea anyways because you usually want a player on bio to call where pablo is
deft knot
Yes, simply don’t put bots on bio
which also kinda fucks the mission in a way as thats the only thing bots are good on🤡
daring pilot
No? Just give em a sentry?
they can handle a sentry while somebody else babysits pablo
deft knot
as in bot ping are what makes them so strong
pliant pasture
they are fine as long as you can keep the wave out of their face
coarse berry
if you have bots on bio for R7E1 they will keep trying to tag pablo which is non...
yeah, that's the case lol. what makes it better is usually they go out into the open to stand still and ping pablo for a quarter of a second
pliant pasture
bio is one of the things they are brokenly good at ya, but its not the only thing keeping them floating
deft knot
there's a whole load of shit bots should not get if we start this discussion
coarse berry
Bots after whipping out their melee when 6 grunts run up to them
daring pilot
Such as?
Literally the only other thing I can think of is wallclipping
That’s the only “op” thing bots have
deft knot
silent shots / immune to fog / auto tracking of objective item just to name a few
coarse berry
god I wish they had doorclipping. so annoying if you're in a chase and trying to close doors behind you, the bots will purposefully go to the other side and get mauled
daring pilot
Sure they can’t get infected or wake sleepers up, but those are literally to prevent them from being literally useless
pliant pasture
even perfect stealth has a lot of asterisks on how it actually helps you, instead of just not hurting you
daring pilot
Imagine if your bot was just sitting in fog
Actually it’s gonna be interesting to see how bots are handled in R5E1
deft knot
so does their bio strength for making up their low dps compared to player, sounds balanced
daring pilot
so does their bio strength for making up their low dps compared to player, sound...
i’m saying you got used to a feature that wasn’t intended and are now complaining that it’s unusable this one time
coarse berry
wasn't intended?
deft knot
when did i complain lol was just stating a fact, chill
coarse berry
they made the bots with the ability to 360 biotrack, doesn't sound like 'wasn't intended' to me
pliant pasture
Actually it’s gonna be interesting to see how bots are handled in R5E1
ohhhh thats a good question, i assume they start at 99%, but the fog doesn't effect them so they go back up to 15
daring pilot
yes, it’s a bot failsafe. Imagine if they pinged radially and they got the one sleeper that ran past them bc they focused it
daring pilot
ohhhh thats a good question, i assume they start at 99%, but the fog doesn't eff...
I meant in general
What if they just don’t get affected
Spitters don’t infect them
pliant pasture
are they hard coded to not get infection?
daring pilot
I have no clue
deft knot
bots are immune to snatchers as well
pliant pasture
because if they are just immune from fog and spitters, then they can probably still get infection
daring pilot
They certainly wouldn’t be able to use the disinfect station
pliant pasture
bots are immune to snatchers as well
ok
narrow gulch
I think theyd start out with 0
pliant pasture
They certainly wouldn’t be able to use the disinfect station
but just not get infection through conventional means
narrow gulch
cuz max infect boosters makes you start with 0 iirc
daring pilot
oh interesting, maybe they just have maxed infect resist
coarse berry
sounds a lot more effort to make them immune to fog and spitters specifically than just removing the infection mechanic from them
pliant pasture
cuz max infect boosters makes you start with 0 iirc
ohh huh
narrow gulch
do they take damage from spitters
coarse berry
yes
daring pilot
No
narrow gulch
lol
daring pilot
I’ve run R2B4 with bots like 20 times
coarse berry
they absolutely do take damage from spitters i've watched a bot drop from 80 to ~50 because they also make zero attempt to avoid or flash them
daring pilot
They don’t
earnest crest
They don’t take dmg from spitters
daring pilot
They do not
narrow gulch
interesting
pliant pasture
OK, so they might be just immune to spitters specifically
nocturne flax
they absolutely do take damage from spitters i've watched a bot drop from 80 to ...
They dont
pliant pasture
You can't make them pick up a syringe and use it can you?
daring pilot
thanks mr dragon
pliant pasture
and even if you did, you wouldn't be able to tell if they got infection off of it or not until they took like 10 3 syringes
daring pilot
Yeah
nocturne flax
Thyere inmune to spitters
they dont take infection
they dont take syringes
pliant pasture
interesting
wait, we can test this bery easily lol
daring pilot
they just unlock everything on sight
i’d rather have them prioritize fogs over melters
Especially when it’s R4C3
nocturne flax
they do have a list
pliant pasture
let us edit the list per bot!
daring pilot
please
pliant pasture
daring pilot
I’ll have 1 melter bot
That’s a lie ill have none
Rather have glowsticks so I can glowstick cancel
half hornet
I might be delusional... But at this point i feel like i could have a higher chance of success with D2 with bots than people.
Bring infect resist and me and the boys can just chill in the fog, i don't even need the turbine
But the bastards probably will fuck up the scans
pliant pasture
I hear you, as long as you can keep the chargers away from the box, then I agree with you
But that caveat is really really big
half hornet
I mean... I have R4C2 experience on my hands.
Remind me what kind of alarm the box triggers exactly? Specifically?
Because i've never seen it, lol
coarse berry
r4d2? shadow
daring pilot
i think the box is chargers now, could be wrong
half hornet
So its literally R4C2 Electric Boogaloo.
There is 1 more problem.
How am i going to kill the tank.
velvet linden
burst cannon
half hornet
The bots not gonna fucking help, that's for sure.
wary olive
With humans
daring pilot
let him snooze
coarse berry
put the bot sentries on one side and stay on the other
half hornet
Hm
daring pilot
Yeah tbf sniper sentries can fuck up a tank
errant vigil
Use the previous tile and shoot him from above
deft knot
I might be delusional... But at this point i feel like i could have a higher cha...
some of the charger alarms would be harder with bots as they are less aggressive
coarse berry
and also god forbid you get below 80% ammo while chargers are rushing you
daring pilot
chargers are the worst with bots bc they try to melee the chargers
So yeah
Idk if going to bots is a good idea
nocturne flax
I mean theyll melee everything
half hornet
Right. Yeah, not even worth attempting - they are too stupid to live.
deft knot
it can be negated somewhat with sniper sentries i guess but then you will have to juggle around tools which is annoying
daring pilot
I mean theyll melee everything
Yeah but chargers are like much worse
Bc they take so many hits while meleeing
In my experience at least
half hornet
Is there no mods to improve bots AI yet?
daring pilot
there are
half hornet
Certainly there would be something
daring pilot
Idk if it’s working rn, you could ask over there
nocturne flax
its broken
daring pilot
lol
nocturne flax
its an awesome mod
half hornet
Roight
daring pilot
Easternunit dipped?
nocturne flax
sadly theres one feature thats kinda shit
half hornet
I'm curious what it is
nocturne flax
bots just open boxes by themselves
half hornet
And?
coarse berry
do they still take the supplies without consent
half hornet
What's wrong with that?
nocturne flax
so they take resources
half hornet
Oh, right
nocturne flax
lol
daring pilot
Yeah
half hornet
Eh. I'd take it.
daring pilot
I would not
deft knot
its ok for reactor missions but annoying af in other missions
half hornet
As long as they scan better, shoot better, don't swap to melee at any moment
coarse berry
yeah that sounds very aggravating on reactor levels / if you brought a big booster, but if the rest of the mod makes them more capable in exchange
daring pilot
Yeah bc they shooting more
nocturne flax
but they melee only in stealth, they shoot more, theres a delay that stops them from reviving you the second you gow down so they kill stuff before picking you up
hella good
just babysit boxes
daring pilot
mmmm yeah ig
coarse berry
sounds incredible
daring pilot
so they’ll just open like any box tho?
nocturne flax
imagine r2e1 you and your homie have to carry all the baby turbine but you can actually trust the bot to cover you
its a great mod
half hornet
was* a great mod
coarse berry
million dollar question, do they still prioritize lock melters over anything
deft knot
As long as they scan better, shoot better, don't swap to melee at any moment
it will only make them less likely to swap to melee but doesn't really improve their long-range aggressiveness
coarse berry
bot could have the cure to cancer in his tool belt and he'd swap it for a lock melter
nocturne flax
afaik he didnt change the priority list
daring pilot
Rip
half hornet
I kinda like them bringing lock melters
coarse berry
also did they change bots and spitters? I swear i've seen a bot straight up die to the spitters once or twice in the past
half hornet
I'm burned out on hacking mini game, so them skipping the hassle for me is always welcome
But i can't find how to make them do it reliably
daring pilot
also did they change bots and spitters? I swear i've seen a bot straight up die ...
Nope
coarse berry
unless you walk too close to the lock and they refuse to do it
daring pilot
Always been immune
I played R6C2, R7C2, all the alts with spitters
Never seen a bot take a hit from spitters
deft knot
But i can't find how to make them do it reliably
being away from the locker seems to prompt them doing it, I guess its a proximity trigger
coarse berry
sadly no "melt this" command
half hornet
i'd crash the game by using it, lul
deft knot
sadly no "melt this" command
even the current command for supplies doesn't work
daring pilot
even the current command for supplies doesn't work
Yeah bc they just use stuff automagically as you need it
Unless you wanted to purposefully overfill
deft knot
technically they are already overfilling the special weapons quite often, would be nice if the trigger point is <70% on both weapons
coarse berry
would love to see the automatic trigger reduced to like 40% on both (and NOT if you're currently in a fight), but if you requested it they'd actually listen and resupply you
fallow wasp
Lord have mercy on the tank that will have to run through the 8 mines overhead on R4C3
winter wharf
did it die
winter wharf
had a feeling
daring pilot
F
I like to spread em out like cookies on a windowsill bc imo it seems more consistent
deft knot
the angle must have been off
did you shoot it once the door is opened and fall back to make it more likely to run out?
fallow wasp
Nah he woke and full force sprinted out the door
Just not fast enough I suppose
I remember doing it once during r5c2
It was hilarious to watch the tank just seemingly trip on nothing
winter wharf
I always like the good old mines on a wall, but I don't think there's a good setup for it in that zone
fallow wasp
I will eat and then return to the quest
My desire to complete these levels is unquenchable after all my time playing
But that doesn’t mean you can’t still get rather silly at times
winter wharf
the silliness certainly comes through from time to time
idk if I'll continue playing ALT rundowns after I get all my completions though
coarse berry
GTFO random mutators update when
royal lichen
u need upnp, upnp good 🙂
pallid swallow
where i can find full foam guide?
obtuse surge
foam guide in the R2E1 speedrun 
west crow
WESLEY (FORMERLY , THE SILENT ONE)
atomic escarp
@astral ferry i am in your walls 
pliant bear
Which main weapon will be quite good with high caliber pistol as the special weapon?
velvet flower
HCP is already a versatile weapon so doesn't really need any help from main to compensate. I'll say you can just go with any main
hexed vapor
Which main weapon will be quite good with high caliber pistol as the special wea...
Probably something independent and w/ range.
coarse berry
Which main weapon will be quite good with high caliber pistol as the special wea...
Most tbh, high caliber is universally usable, isnt really a niche weapon
errant vigil
but mah charger one shot
hexed vapor
Or for specific targets like chargers.
prisma zodiac
rifle is specifically good with it vs chargers
hel revo, carbine and dmr would obviously be all great aswell (same for burst rifle)
pliant pasture
i am glad Rifle Rifle is such a nice support weapon, it feels good to use and i am starting to really like
primal patio
i am glad Rifle Rifle is such a nice support weapon, it feels good to use and i ...
why its a rifle rifle? I cant understand this joke/meme...can you explain for stupid me? or its a local joke?
pliant pasture
why its a rifle rifle? I cant understand this joke/meme...can you explain for st...
not a local joke, just a personal preference
- hel rifle
- sniper rifle
- burst rifle
- precision rifle
- rifle
so i call it rifle rifle, to be 10% goofy but 90% for clarity
winter wharf
burst rifle
pliant pasture
if a new kid swoops in and says "i hate the sniper!" we usually atill have to do our due diligence and make sure they aren't talking about the pr 😅
primal patio
tnx for explanation
deft kiln
if a new kid swoops in and says "i hate the sniper!" we usually atill have to do...
i hate the sniper
the thermal scope
is awful!!!
pliant pasture
is awful!!!
what do you mean!? It feels so good to two shot smalls and three shot behemoths
primal patio
the thermal scope
why...
errant vigil
Hel revo has the highest damage of primaries excluding shotgun primaries
it's pretty great
fallow wasp
I suppose it’s mainly me comparing it to the special revolver
And also the inability to shit bullets out the front of it
pliant pasture
specials: 
primaries: 
fallow wasp
Specials are superior in every way
Only mains I like rn are carbine, rifle, and pistol
pliant pasture
don't be too harsh, primaries are just trying their best out here
half hornet
I still dont understand the idea behind this balance
The specials are always the thing that kills. What the primaries are for then?
fallow wasp
Smaller kills
half hornet
Aside from compensating special's weaknesses, like bringing a DMR to compensate pumpy action
half hornet
Smaller kills
I'm the man who mag dumps a giant with a bullpup, so i have no idea what you mean.
As far as i'm concerned both weapons act as "Switching to the other is faster than reloading".
Of course there are primaries that disprove this notion, but it is what it is.
fallow wasp
Does hel revo have the highest DPS of all primaries?
velvet flower
without consistent penetration, no
If you considered DPS from a longer period of time(reload included), carbine is the highest. If you just want a short burst, then it's hel shotgun
nocturne flax
Damn its like specials are your primary weapons and your main ones are backups
obtuse surge
WESLEY (FORMERLY , THE SILENT ONE)
i put no mic in my name again cuz i played one pub again
bighgest mistake of my life
mfers make me wait 20m on the fucking team scan
fallow wasp
Kill them
Join pubs on R4B1 so you can softlock them and leave immediately
Become unloveable
obtuse surge
half hornet
Does hel revo have the highest DPS of all primaries?
I don't think so. Its meta for same reason veruta is - its just a brainless all-rounder.
It got penetration, it got stagger, damage is not half-bad either, bazzilion ammo...
fallow wasp
Eh, I wouldn’t describe any revolver as brainless
half hornet
And the most broken reload animation (the strongest reload cancel, i mean)
fallow wasp
I just don’t like it
half hornet
you can just hipfire it
it got that hipfire accuracy
kill strikers in 2 shots, if one of them is head
so that's at least 4 striker kills per mag, and then multiply that by penetration
Funnel monsters into a tight path and crouch. Easy win.
fallow wasp
Easy win might be overselling it
half hornet
i mean...
Its still massive impact for a humble main weapon
And then all 4 players can have that, just spraying that thing
fallow wasp
Used it maybe three times and each time it let me down tbh
half hornet
Honestly same
I miss half my shots and i don't like an aesthetic of a revolver that basically has half the damage i'd expect it to. Gives me Titanfall Wingman flashbacks.
As someone who grew up on the likes of Half-Life - half-assed revolvers just rub me the wrong way.
So HCP basically replaced that big iron aesthetic for me.
fallow wasp
I liked HCP for all of two seconds, but then I went back to revolver
Isn’t the damage drop off quite aggressive?
Still hefty and satisfying definitely
half hornet
Isn’t the damage drop off quite aggressive?
It definitely is. Its outrageous to me that a shotgun (choke mod) basically has twice the effective range of a goddamn deagle. This is some ass-backwards videogame design right there.
But hey: you don't have to aim for the head. That's a big plus for me.
hexed vapor
Regular big shooter
half hornet
kinda all of them, for different reasons
When it comes to stealth - shadows are an absolute bane of my existence.
Open combat - hybrids, yeah. Easy top spot. Absolutely hate them.
On some levels replacing the 2-3 hybrid squads with giant chargers would probably be a goddamn nerf.
I hate that their projectiles ignore cover, no matter how much i crouch and duck.
So instead of having a cool sniper battle with them you just GO GO GO GO GO SHOOT IN THE HEAD, KILL IT RIGHT NOW
winter wharf
you know, my least favourite enemy might be shadow giants now
I don't know what it was before
not super fond of charger scouts tbh but whatever
coarse berry
It definitely is. Its outrageous to me that a shotgun (choke mod) basically has ...
high cal's range hurts inside
nocturne flax
cope
coarse berry
honestly feel like the high cal has settled into it's new use better with the few extra rounds
range and total lack of headshot damage is kinda bleh though, but not enough to make it bad
unique gazelle
It's in a weird place atm when it comes to group play, the total damage looks nice on paper but doesn't offer much otherwise. Lacks range, crowd control is meh and not great against large enemies/ chargers. Even for newer GTFO players it makes more sense to take combat shotty instead of high cal. Maybe it's really good for solo/ duo settings
half hornet
Its an anti-striker weapon, pretty much. And still oneshots scouts to the head.
You can oneshot shooter by aiming for the head, but good luck doing that with a stock ironsight. I prefer to just hit them in the chest then take a couple of of potshots with my main to finish them off.
unique gazelle
It's decent against strikers yea but that's hardly appealing enough to justify taking it especially when there's the chokemod which can do everything better barring crowd control
prisma zodiac
its an all rounder thats worse vs chargers/shooters
half hornet
Yeah, choke mod is high cal's main rival. Better damage output across the board - hits harder, hits further (for some goddamn reason), more useful against anything else, and you don't even need to ADS to hit your targets.
Downsides? Pretty much only pathetic mag size, but the reload isn't even that long.
unique gazelle
Yea with more and more guns added to the pool it's inevitable that we'll have weapons that offer similar utility and some inferior choices. But need not to worry we'll get HEL machinegun in alt R5 and that would be the one and only weapon everyone needs
half hornet
I think high cal could earn himself a place with a much higher reload speed.
Its reload is basically pistol reload slowed down by like 40%
If it reloaded near as fast as vanilla pistol - it could be an interesting take on a quick-loading special.
Would compliment the Bullpup real good
unique gazelle
Reducing its reload time would make it a bit better but it's still gonna be competing with revolver somewhat, just hard to make it stand out I guess
Bullpup just need more dmg then it's ok
nocturne flax
You give more damage to bp and its gonna be an better ar
even with the reload
just bump the reload down
half hornet
Firepower for reload. Fair trade.
You pick rifle if you don't want to get caught with pants down.
unique gazelle
But the reload is a feature of the weapon?
nocturne flax
Firepower for reload. Fair trade.
On paper yes everything makes sense like that but then you'll have to buff ar
and that would snowball everything around
creating more unnecesary tweaks
half hornet
Firepower, mag size, reload.
First two give it identity. Latter just makes it quirky AR.
unique gazelle
Maybe they could buff the total damage to match the AR, like around 750, then you choose whichever fits your playstyle more
nocturne flax
Firepower, mag size, reload.
keptchu, mayo, golf sauce
nocturne flax
But the reload is a feature of the weapon?
the reload its not the thing that makes it unique thats the weakness
in og r3 it made sense
the thing that makes it unique its the no reoil and no spread that you get
you buff its damage and its straigh up a better ar
more range more damage x1 presicion multi
no spread
half hornet
Yeah, but duh reload
nocturne flax
oh no .06 ,miliseconds
my man pls
thats like the smg reload
it doesnt matter
your buffing a gun too much like that
half hornet
Average reload time across all games is 2.0 seconds. People are allergic to anything above that and anything below feels like a drug addict.
nocturne flax
bullpip just need to lower the reload speed and its fine
unique gazelle
Ok I didn't even know bp has a 1x precision multiplier after all this years
nocturne flax
i use bp all day
every day
on every map
i can confidently tell you it doesnt need damage
I have an 100% bias towards my gun
on the topic of hcp i say its fine as it is
before i would use pump shotty to clear waves but it would be expensive
but you get the breathing room of clearing a scan room and make progress
i can just use hcp now and get the same results
but cheaper
half hornet
I wish it had pen
Maybe deals 50% less damage to the guy behind or something.
Feels wrong to have a deagle-like that doesn't penetrate.
nocturne flax
Maybe deals 50% less damage to the guy behind or something.
pen rework its something so many people want
sadly we add that to the list
liek boosters rework
etc
half hornet
booster UI
unique gazelle
Stamina booster be nice
nocturne flax
since r5 ive never seen anyone calling their booster "axdron" or whatever
everyone just kinda clicks on the boosters until they find the one they need
half hornet
Yeah, which is super annoying.
Let me manually check my 20 "glowstick power" boosters to find my one and only "bioscan speed".
brittle geode
Bioscan speed boosters are the only one I remember, because they're just called PURE
half hornet
A classic.
wide lion
they no want stay to scan)
half hornet
They do that sometimes. Rarely, but they do.
wide lion
Skynet detected
half hornet
In moments like that you kick them out and add them back after the fact.
Just go ESC and lock the player slot.
coarse berry
i can confidently tell you it doesnt need damage
bullpup users killing 3 grunts and having to reload for a week 
wide lion
and game kick
half hornet
Bored of wiping in R4 i joined a random R2C2 lobby for lulz and wiped some extra
kind swan
I ain't even gonna defend you for the 2.4 second reload. Ain't worth the time/ammo with my auto pistol
half hornet
for whatever reasons i do not know how to aim the UZI
kind swan
Machine pistol?
half hornet
yes
half hornet
its one of those guns that feel horrible to use when your FPS dps
on perfect 60 frames i'm sure its great
wide lion
for whatever reasons i do not know how to aim the UZI
now we finish main extreme)
kind swan
wide lion
and need go to datasphere
and game kick host
next me
a nd next one player
last player have code
half hornet
i guess you just disconnected
wide lion
but we can`t invite to him
half hornet
original host died and then host migration failed to migrate
nocturne flax
for whatever reasons i do not know how to aim the UZI
legit just spam bullet in the general directoin of the enemy
if you hit the head thats just a plus
kind swan
velvet flower
@hexed vapor A follow up here: so I joined a lobby but the host(call it A) can't host E1, so we have another dude B host the E1, then in the lobby screen B left the lobby so A is the new host then all 3 joined back. After drop we played normally, the first 3 zones enemy distribution seem normal, but after 2 cells in, tank error stays as you described. However we also can't progress because the door to bulkhead key also don't open.
hexed vapor
F\
deft kiln
Jeesh no way
void how do you feel about MP
can you put it in the weekly discussion tho
alpine spindle
MP?
deft kiln
machine pistol
alpine spindle
Ah
deft kiln
we need 15 more messages
alpine spindle
I don’t really use machine pistol or auto pistol but I think I would choose the auto pistol
Do you want me to write something in the weekly discussion lol
I will
If you want me to
deft kiln
15 messages
alpine spindle
Kk
deft kiln
sentry discussion cannot be on top[
alpine spindle
Lol
deft kiln
even though half the sentry discussion is a weapon discussion
fresh bronze
i strongly dislike the fact the hel autopistol is a pistol, that pierces, and has blunt rounds
what the fuck
half hornet
i strongly dislike the fact the hel autopistol is a pistol, that pierces, and ha...
Join me in pain.
coarse berry
something something the casing is tungsten and the penetrator is HEL
fresh bronze
just seems like a lot of explosive power would be needed for a blunt round to pierce
add to that its not only a pistol but its also automatic
coarse berry
exactly why I don't think the penetrator/tip is what makes tungsten / stunning rounds
nocturne flax
better to have the bot with medi
fresh bronze
autism bot using it while being attacked
fresh bronze
id rather have a play with the med any day
glass mirage
imo bots want to carry ammo the most
because it's very very difficult to fuck up with distributing that
will they still find a way? yes, of course. but it won't be as bad as filling a mine deployer to 83% when there's an empty sentry right next to the bot
fresh bronze
medi is the one thing i do not want bots to have under any circumstance
health is not useful for stealth sections
save the med for alarms and major points of damage
there is atleast a good amount of ways to strategically use medipacks that bots just do not do
nocturne flax
will they still find a way? yes, of course. but it won't be as bad as filling a ...
your too far away then
they will always distribute everything from lowest to highest last
glass mirage
suppose you have a player and a bot, both with 0% in both guns
they will give the player 3 refills before giving themselves any
nocturne flax
they prioritize players
i know
glass mirage
same general behavior with med, but i don't know if it's the same extent
nocturne flax
they will always distribute everything from lowest to highest last
.
glass mirage
they will give the player 3 refills before giving themselves any
but that's not true because of this
player is ~32 ~60, bot is 0 0
bot gives player refill
nocturne flax
I never had that happen
fresh bronze
bots also dont give deployed turrets refill
glass mirage
admittedly, running completely dry on ammo is very rare and that experience is only from a modded level that started like R7C3 (no ammo)
nocturne flax
bots also dont give deployed turrets refill
yeah thats kinda wack
glass mirage
but they can still fuck up with it
fresh bronze
if they do i have never once seen it
nocturne flax
if they do i have never once seen it
nah they dont sadly
glass mirage
bots also dont give deployed turrets refill
i'd imagine it's because the turret is considered a seperate character as far as giving resources go - you can try to give them med/ammo/disinf too - and the bot AI probably only checks players
I don't know what their AI actually looks like for that, but that's my guess
fresh bronze
but yeah if im playing with bots they do not under any condition get meds
glass mirage
that's also why i tend to take 3 sentries with bots
fresh bronze
im personally very selective with timing and who to use meds on
glass mirage
if i don't, i absolutely hoard all the tool refill
fresh bronze
i pretty much always take 3 sentries anyways
nocturne flax
you guys play with 3 bots 
glass mirage
sometimes, yes
fresh bronze
i like cfoam and trip mine but if your lazy like me than you dont even bother with them anyways and its a waste of a tool slot
glass mirage
I don't have many people to play with for modded, don't feel like joining the modded server to find players and the bots are pretty good once you master them
fresh bronze
mines and bio are basically only thing i ever run unless i have 4 players
fresh bronze
you guys play with 3 bots <:keksad:876679855465443398>
i refuse
nocturne flax
yeah theyre not design for that
glass mirage
i don't really use cfoam but i will use mines
fresh bronze
used to, i just wont play if im alone
nocturne flax
2 players 2 bot its what they where design for
you can confortably do everything like that
glass mirage
I usually do 2 players 2 bots
fresh bronze
i don't really use cfoam but i will use mines
same, cfoam is probably my least ran tool if we count all sentries as one category
glass mirage
sometimes 3 players 1 bot
nocturne flax
cfoam just sucks on them
fresh bronze
usually its 3 players 1 bot or 4 players for me
nocturne flax
might as well you carry the foam and your friend the mines unless its a slow level
fresh bronze
cfoam loses versatility the better at the game you get is my problem
glass mirage
Bots or not I just think that cfoam isn't as valuable just because we're either gonna misuse it or just not need it
nocturne flax
cfoam loses versatility the better at the game you get is my problem
nah foam becomes broken the better you become at the game
glass mirage
cfoam the ladder
fresh bronze
well yeah cheese strats be cheese strats
not that im calling em invalid
im saying cases like foaming enemies that are hard to kill as a new player in stealth
fresh bronze
using foam on charger scouts or regular scouts and shit just isnt necessary when you get better
glass mirage
but since i play casually i'm not trying to be 100% optimized that just ends in a wave getting grouped up at a door and being harder to deal with
nocturne flax
i cant wait for bots to get an update in r8 smile
glass mirage
what i like about sentries is that they're easy to use, even in the middle of combat
fresh bronze
security doors in rooms with security doors already open in them and suddenly cfoam minedeployer start sweatin
its rare but happens occassionally
sentries are just always good is my problem
its to damn consistent
nocturne flax
all the toolset we currently have its made to synergize well with eachother
they all do
you just gotta get creative
fresh bronze
yeah they have utility
glass mirage
i'm not arguing that i just think that sentries are the easiest to use and thus my favorite
especially for bots because then it's just a matter of put sentry here, pick it back up
fresh bronze
i aint either
i think both cfoam and mines are good
my only problem is im a lazy fuck
dropping 3 turrets is a hella lot less effort than worrying about mine placement and cfoaming doors
biotracker is unspoken king when you got a bot or a dedicated runner
fresh bronze
my group dont have a dedicated bio
kind swan
It's a hatelove relationship
glass mirage
my group has a dedicated bio
fresh bronze
so we have this situation where we dont run it unless we have a bot
glass mirage
[Bot]Dauda
kind swan
it's more so I don't get to play bio because It's more pivotal to have someone who can use the other tools (Cfoam) and not mess up
glass mirage
the hardest part of starting to play bio is shifting to a less active role in combat, less shooting more tagging
kind swan
(My group can't permafoam to save their lives. at least single blob at a time method)
kind swan
the hardest part of starting to play bio is shifting to a less active role in co...
it's more so a balance next to giving call-outs when necessary
glass mirage
i think when i started back in R6 i used bio but didn't tag much in combat? then i didn't touch it until R7E1 runs
figuring out the balance mid alarm was fun
kind swan
I also prefer bio because I can sneak around the stealth sections much easier
otherwise I gotta soundwhore all the enemies around me
glass mirage
just use echolocation lmao
kind swan
It lowkey scares me sometimes someone asks me how I know how many enemies just from hearing them
Things GTFO makes you learn
Seeing in the dark
Seeing through Fog
(these helped me a lot in Darktide ironically)
a friend and I were like.
"This is hindering you guys? this isn't nearly dark or foggy enough"
fresh bronze
yeah fog is not a problem anymore
honestly quite a shame all my friends play gtfo
having video game night vision is quite a flex
fresh bronze
r4b1 wasnt expecting the mom in the sec
i sprinted into the mom zone and fucking saw it at the base of the stairs and thanked god this game has shit sound mechanics because i was alone
fresh bronze
would have been gg
i was seperate because team was lookin for resources in the last zone while i went ahead to find the terminal
daring pilot
does he know
fresh bronze
bruh i nearly shit myself
we didnt prep for a mom but we had decent enough weapons to kill her before she even spawned babies
are there just 0 fog repellers on r4b1
i havent seen a single fog repeller on the entire map and this end section is fucked without them
gathered the intel i needed
fucks sake
pain
fresh bronze
didnt even know there was a turbine till i checked
it spawned in the fog didnt think to check on terminal
but yeah none of my team saw a single fog repeller the entire map which is quite a bruh fucking moment
also after playing biotracker again i realize once again why i fucking hate running biotracker
prisma zodiac
also after playing biotracker again i realize once again why i fucking hate runn...
Huh why
half hornet
Imho I hate it too