gtfo-spoiler-chat

[velvet flower]

Those batteries are in-game icons, not edited

[fresh bronze]

i used a map of spawn locations for r7d2 for the cells to make my blind asses life easier and that was the markers interesting enough

[velvet flower]

Edited cell icons usually just the graphic card looking entity

[fresh bronze]

well it doesnt seem cell locations are listed on this one either way

[prisma zodiac]

r7d2 just changes between runs slightly

[prisma zodiac]

yeah cuz we havent gathered the infos yet

[fresh bronze]

yeah didnt know if someone had or not hence why i posted it

i aint played the map yet and i dont wanna make it any easier than it already will be kek

@narrow goblet your usin the terminal right beside the entrance while pinging right

[winter wharf]

Ah dammit, the alt maps were added to that page which makes it more awkward to look at og

[fresh bronze]

kek

[narrow goblet]

im using all different terminals

[fresh bronze]

man these levels are fuckin giant

[narrow goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528408

yes

[fresh bronze]

just a glance at c3 i can already tell thats gonna take 2 hours to beat with pe

ignoring fails

@narrow gobletif you want i can hop into your game

[narrow goblet]

nah i give up at this point

they really need to fix the terminals

[fresh bronze]

you sure?

[prisma zodiac]

How so?

[fresh bronze]

i wouldnt mind its 3am and im bored as fuck

[narrow goblet]

the terminals shouldnt list cells that have been used

[prisma zodiac]

that rly isnt an issue

its not like there is 1200 cells

[candid dragon]

The real issue is unmarked or missing cells

[empty jackal]

How would you get missing cells

[candid dragon]

Didn't spawn/fell through map

[empty jackal]

Unless it's straight up a terminal problem, it lists anything with C E L L

Wait for real?

That shit can actually happen?

[prisma zodiac]

ive seen it happen to people in r2e1 before

[candid dragon]

After it falls it despawns then removed from term

[prisma zodiac]

its rare rare tho

[fresh bronze]

not really a terminal issue tho

[prisma zodiac]

tbh its funnier when it spawns too many (only seen that once)

[fresh bronze]

that stems from a completely different issue

[empty jackal]

Yeah that's gotta be something with collision, that ain't on the terminal

[fresh bronze]

i thought they floated in the air anyways didnt realize they where effected by gravity

[empty jackal]

Also how do you lose a cell like that, you gotta have put that cell on one hell of a dubious place for it to have just fallen through tbh

[candid dragon]

Im saying, terminals listing used cells is a nonproblem

[prisma zodiac]

its not there once level generates

[fresh bronze]

there are plenty of bugs id rather be fixed than that tho

so i aint complainin to much

[candid dragon]

It can spawn on falling set peices

[prisma zodiac]

eh its a pretty severe bug in say r2e1 that can ruin the whole lvl for you

[empty jackal]

I'd be fucking fuming if this happened to me

[fresh bronze]

on a e tier map yeah same

on a a or b tier map kinda funny not a major setback

[candid dragon]

I'm just glad I've not seen a bug terminal

[fresh bronze]

well funny if you realize what happened fast not after 45 minutes beating your head against a wall

[empty jackal]

Are there any plans for F tiers

[fresh bronze]

my biggest complaint is when people walk near the terminal while im using it during a uplink and it shuts off and i have to back away and walk back to it

[candid dragon]

I just tell them to give me space

[fresh bronze]

ive tried but im convinced my friends are incapable of understanding that its a pain in the ass

[twin dirge]

no

[candid dragon]

Skill issue

[fresh bronze]

one of them is a fucking computer sciences major and literally refuses to learn the terminal

a computer sciences major

[twin dirge]

unless they introduce it in R8 as "the final level"

[candid dragon]

Inb4 r8f1 is a story mission

[fresh bronze]

r8 just 2 levels 1 in f tier and another level in a tier

every rundown needs a tutorial afterall

[twin dirge]

I can't wait for R8A1 to teach me how to aim a gun yet again

[fresh bronze]

as a requirement ist has to be the easiest level in the game

[candid dragon]

I cant aim the DMR

[fresh bronze]

more checkpoints than enemies type vibe

[candid dragon]

Its voodoo magic

[fresh bronze]

dmr is voodoo magic

[twin dirge]

R7A1

[fresh bronze]

one day i land every shot as a head shot other days i miss 4 times than my friend kills it with a hammer

[orchid kindle]

why you shooting then? just bonk

ez

[fresh bronze]

once someone hits 20% hp in my group they just go melee only most of the time

[orchid kindle]

infinite health bro

[fresh bronze]

99% of the time it ends predictably the 1% of the time it goes well its always banger as hell

i remember charging into a crowd of strikers with 20% and getting like 6 or 7 kills before being kneecapped

[orchid kindle]

just dodge 4head

[fresh bronze]

literally infinite who needs medkits

[orchid kindle]

see

you get it

[twin dirge]

true tbh

[fresh bronze]

the problem with this approach is when everyone is on 20% and we have 12 uses of medkit and are just like "nah we dont need it how bad could the class 5 alarm in fog really be"

[twin dirge]

skill issue

[orchid kindle]

Easy bro. Sentries, any and all doors mined and frog repellers

[fresh bronze]

20% hp strat is op

cant fuck up stealth sections if you dont got anything to lose

[orchid kindle]

an hour and 40 minutes is a lot to lose

[twin dirge]

GTFO losing the 20% regen unironically would make the game hard

[fresh bronze]

yeah it really would

revive to 1% hp and suddenly reviving is worthless kek

[orchid kindle]

regen cap and speed boosters just turn you into a personal medkit aswell

gtfo but you're on 1% hp

[twin dirge]

I mean most games usually give a small HP boost after revival

[fresh bronze]

many reasons why i say for a-c tier maps just have a dedicated knife man who dont get medkits

let em clear out the hordes of smalls

could spend time planning and conserving hp or just send a madman into a zone and wait 2-3 minutes for it to be clear

[orchid kindle]

doesn't a striker one shot at 4%?

sorry

[fresh bronze]

im pretty sure everything does

[orchid kindle]

this is unrelated

[twin dirge]

striker does 12% and shooter does 5%

[orchid kindle]

then how did I make one only hit for 3?

[fresh bronze]

maybe you got shot and thought you where hit by one

[orchid kindle]

no

[prisma zodiac]

rarely rounds to 4

[orchid kindle]

It was a striker

maybe

or a shooter

[fresh bronze]

maybe booster resistance

[twin dirge]

mod or booster

[orchid kindle]

can't remember

[fresh bronze]

as far as im aware everything hits for 4% or more

[orchid kindle]

I'll check the clip when I get home in...

[twin dirge]

booster and shooter makes the most sense

[orchid kindle]

7 and a half hours

[fresh bronze]

even the spitter bullshit wall pricks hit for 4% according to wiki

speaking of which i fucking hate those things

[orchid kindle]

L

just dodge the spitters bro

become neo

[fresh bronze]

bro some of them are so small i cant even see em without looking straight at em

that and my autism kicks in and i focus on something else for half a second and get jizzed on

[twin dirge]

yeah some of the spawns are annoying af

[orchid kindle]

what fov you on?

[fresh bronze]

whatever base settings are

[orchid kindle]

happens to me aswell

[orchid kindle]

TF! Turn that shit up

[fresh bronze]

tried changing it but when i did my hammer swings where completely off and i would have needed to readjust

that and drops my framerate by like 30fps

[orchid kindle]

um

get good

[fresh bronze]

im so used to base settings at this point ima just stick with it

[orchid kindle]

oof

[twin dirge]

oof

[fresh bronze]

at first when i started it bothered the hell out of me but back then i ran the game lowest settings 720p just to have 30fps

couldnt afford higher settings

now im so used to it there aint no going back

[twin dirge]

65 FOV guy here

[orchid kindle]

also, is your pfp bandit from the hit game risk of rain 2?

[fresh bronze]

yes sir

[orchid kindle]

nice

[tough atlas]

Does it really matter for R4E1 Extreme to let 1 guy sneak the fog turbine room? I feel like it's a waste of time compared to just getting a bit of infection, I suppose it depends on how much inf everyone has in team by that point, correct?

[twin dirge]

depends on team infection yeah

[orchid kindle]

or

infection tank

[twin dirge]

or like just sacrifice one dude

[fresh bronze]

its some mod that drips out most of the characters in suits and ties which i fucking love the look of

[twin dirge]

yeah

[tough atlas]

Is it advisable to just pull big charger generator room? I've had teams that wanted to try to stealth it but I feel like it ain't worth the risk of getting 1 more tank

[fresh bronze]

i cant believe you could tell tbh

[tough atlas]

Problem is that said 1 dude will have to sneak the zone alone and that takes time

And tbh I'd rather do 2 tries than a long one

That's why I'm asking

[fresh bronze]

i dont know the map so i cant say shit but i mean just have a sacraficial lamb sounds like something id do

[orchid kindle]

I'm a bandit main bro

[fresh bronze]

based as hell

with 450 hours in ror2 i still enjoy the game so ill take it tbh

[orchid kindle]

crys in only 80 or some shit

[fresh bronze]

its one of those you can pick up with a friend for a hour or two and then your done

[hasty sierra]

bro r4 d2 pe got so buffed that was insane with the class 7 and 8 and now you cant long kite cause of stamina its so much harder now

[orchid kindle]

get good

[fresh bronze]

i mean yeah its a pe d tier so id hope its pretty brutal

[hasty sierra]

i beat it

[orchid kindle]

do it again

[fresh bronze]

do it with only melee

[orchid kindle]

do it pacifist mode

[fresh bronze]

actually makes me wonder if its possible to beat any levels without killing a single sleeper

or any enemies at all

honestly i hope we get a boss fight in r8 like we got in r6 with the kraken fight

that shit was fun as hell

even in 15 fps

[prisma zodiac]

It is yes

its called pacifist

[fresh bronze]

oh its actually something people do

seems more like a meme thing you do on a few maps then never go back to

[prisma zodiac]

challenge runs

[fresh bronze]

i mean yeah i guess it would be challenging it just doesnt seem fun i suppose

i mean all you can do is just kite shit around

[plush basin]

Why do you have brackets at the front of your name now are you part of a new clan?

[prisma zodiac]

often its somewhat speedrun + hard stealth

[prisma zodiac]

log clan

only shows up on mobile tho

its so fucked

[plush basin]

Oh I see, weird

[fresh bronze]

my idea of it would go perfectly fine until you hit a single alarm and then suddenly your kiting the entire map

[prisma zodiac]

perma foam

[fresh bronze]

seemed like something that would have some serious limits to me

im not sure what you would do once out of foam

just kite n pray i suppose

[orchid kindle]

I NEED TOOL REFILL!

[fresh bronze]

bro we gotta have tool for the 3 sentries carrying us through alarms because none of us can aim

[orchid kindle]

but no killing

[fresh bronze]

dont worry shotgun sentries are incapable of killing

[orchid kindle]

but they c-foamed

[fresh bronze]

shotgun sentries shoot the ceiling and nothing else

[half hornet]

No longer true actually, I've been using shotgun sen a lot since the last patch-buff and it works alright as long as biotracker pings the targets

[orchid kindle]

they just have to make them aim for the body now

then it'll be perfect for what it does

[plush basin]

Used a bio and shotgun sentry for the waves on R4B1Secondary and it eats almost the whole wave each time but also consumes about 60-80% tool

[orchid kindle]

a small price to pay for UNLIMITED POWER

wait

no

it's the shotgun sentry

A DECENT AMOUT OF POWER

[plush basin]

Burst seems better for letting you shoot alongside it and using your ammo and a bit of tool at the same time

But shotgun can really take the sting out of a nasty wave if its a serious threat

[orchid kindle]

shotgun sentry with machinegun fire rate

shotgun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr beep beep beep...

[prisma zodiac]

shotgun sentry and bio are now supreme short range stopping power

with the buffs it went from tool oof to uses a lot to shoot a lot

it would unironically be broken imo if it worked perfectly

[orchid kindle]

yep

and it would then get nerfed

[velvet flower]

Shotgun sentry can last the entire class 6 in R4B2 ovl (no bio synergy), it's actually my goto sentry now

[kind swan]

[tough atlas]

That alarm felt WAY harder on the Original R4

[plush basin]

The blood door seemed a lot harder, only took us one try on that to decide the class 6 was a better option

[velvet flower]

They do nerf R4B2 hugely

[hexed vapor]

R4B2 is literally the same.

This just seems like the clearest possible example of people being kind of dog in R4, and now 2 years later they're surprised the content that wasn't ever that hard isn't really that hard.

[kind swan]

2 years and 1000+ hours now.

I'm still dogwater

Idk how that could've happened

[real moss]

We did this easy by just kiting tank around until sneako came back out with ammo

[robust marsh]

hmmmmmmm

[real moss]

R4D2PE has so much tool you can permafoam all the cluster alarms. Alarms went up, tool went up as well

[robust marsh]

did they just put shit ton of tool in the level?

[livid heath]

Rundown 4 meta

[robust marsh]

did everybody discuss auto sentry yet? if its still useful

[real moss]

We permafoamed every alarm and had so many doors closed and foamed the shadows (from cargo error) arrived on extraction when we were at 85% done

Never saw a charger cause they couldn't spawn in

[robust marsh]

OOF

was it with boosters?

because if not thats funny

[real moss]

Nooe

nope

I don't use boosters, I was foam

[tough atlas]

R4D2PE we had everything bar one wave spawn behind us and they never reached up

[balmy robin]

Maybe you grabbed resources in all three secondary "cell" zones then ?

[real moss]

Only the ones with the cells

[robust marsh]

new objective obtained get a cfoam booster combo and go to R4D2

[real moss]

but nice try 😏

[tough atlas]

We just foamed the last door you can foam and that was enough to block and spawncap

[balmy robin]

If you open only the two you need, tool should be just enough iirc

[tough atlas]

we literally never shot at extraction

[real moss]

Only two

[balmy robin]

of course if you save tool on earlier alarms, where you definitely do not need it

you will have plenty left for the end

[real moss]

Surge III we used

Surge II no

[real moss]

Yep there is just Way more resources

Even if of course the alarms themselves got buffed. the tool negates it

[tough atlas]

I feel like it's just that foam+shadows= capped on super slow enemies

[real moss]

I was rewatching OG runs. it was way tighter

strange shit my G

[tough atlas]

Aside from A1's alarms, what alarm got directly nerfed (not easier room, just nerfed)?

I think B3's cluster was a class 3 in OG and not a class 2?

[prisma zodiac]

A1 alarms got nerfed?

[real moss]

Don't recall

[balmy robin]

To zone 38 ?

[tough atlas]

I'm fairly sure the twos in Extreme were class 3 clusters

[real moss]

E1 second alarm was a class S surge no?

[tough atlas]

and last one in main was class 3

[real moss]

cause it ain't anymore?

[prisma zodiac]

they still are

lol

[prisma zodiac]

they still are

[tough atlas]

😐

Mandela effect all over again

(I'm joking)

[prisma zodiac]

A2 actually has 3 more sets of scans for main

class 2 -> 3
class 2 -> 4

[hasty sierra]

i didnt bring any bosters cause i wasnt expecting a class 7 and 8 i was still expecting 3 class 6 alarms

[real moss]

A2 sec went from 4 ->2

[prisma zodiac]

true

[tough atlas]

what about B3's?

[real moss]

No boosters as well

[hexed vapor]

You act like this wasn't the play in the OG. You could always permafoam almost every alarm for the majority of the scan duration.

[tough atlas]

Am I remembering that wrongly?

[prisma zodiac]

B3 i dont remember scan numbers (i only cleared that once, started in r4)
but i know the overload S scan got nerfed in enemy density

[real moss]

I rewatched and it seemed way more tighter and shadows used to catch up on extract

[tough atlas]

I mean the scan for the very first terminal you can do (the one NOT inside main bulk)

[real moss]

seemed

[hexed vapor]

Yes, because everyone was kind of bad.

[real moss]

Using same strat

[prisma zodiac]

honestly dont remember the scan amount for that

[hexed vapor]

Yes, and probably not looting very well, or they're missing opportunities to defend w/ ammo, or they're overcommitting on certain encounters.

[real moss]

Lots of assumptions

Need to test it out I guess

[hexed vapor]

Level's just always been that way.

[real moss]

But btw Ray: on E1 second scan was it a S surge or always just a S I regular

[hexed vapor]

Never was a surge.

[real moss]

Ok so then it's only nerfed by layout

[tough atlas]

Ok nvm I'm wrong on B3's too

[real moss]

That's fine

[tough atlas]

always was class 2 cluster

[hexed vapor]

It's possible S I scans don't spawn the same wave size as before, but it's largely not a significant difference.

[real moss]

It felt insanely easy

[hexed vapor]

It was never very hard.

[real moss]

but again : felt

[hexed vapor]

You legit just had top door set up

Am I the only person that has replayed R4, or what?

We all know how to do it.

[tough atlas]

I never replayed R4

[real moss]

Yeah and for some reason (also on the surges) we had more enemies

but now it was just so little

[wary olive]

And the fact that half of them would do intimidation when running down the ramp meant they trickled down most of the time

[real moss]

Guess I'll put this one also on the redo list

[hexed vapor]

It's either your sentries or you're looking to be disappointed.

Surge has plenty of enemies reach you, just in my experience we're killing them.

[real moss]

We had a dude afk cause he couldn't use his HEL shotty

But might have been luck

[hexed vapor]

Ngl, that's HEL Shotgun in all content.

If your team is really on top of shit

and they kill everything as it approaches.

[real moss]

Guess the Coffee was working then

[hexed vapor]

You will struggle to find opportunities to kill things CQC or stack big groups.

[jaunty tulip]

wait are you complaining about my hel shotty gameplay

[real moss]

Yes you lazy bum

to mods: is joke, no bannerino

[hexed vapor]

I don't get how people can remember R4 and yet not remember so many key details.

The pub experience

general skill diff

etc.

[jaunty tulip]

well i wasnt rlly afk i shot the one that got to close ;_;

[tough atlas]

I mean, it has been 2 years since release

I guess I can forget how many scans the alarms had

[hexed vapor]

Maybe it's legit just that I've replayed the content...

[olive shoal]

You don’t understand how many people I’ve had to tell that 2nd s scan on r4e1 was never a surge

or like

[hexed vapor]

But there was definitely a big difference between learning R4E1's tank error for the first time, and then breezing through it on the way to Secondary when we came back to it.

[hexed vapor]

;_;

[wary olive]

Gerz it's easy to forget. Surge scan or not they are both shooting 🙂

[olive shoal]

TRUEEEEE

That’s so sgxpilled

[prisma zodiac]

the big one at the bottom of that room?
yea that had major pauses from enemies

[nocturne flax]

what just happend here

[twin dirge]

GTFO "experts"

[west crow]

Is this a German emoji

Could you translate please

[prisma zodiac]

wat

[west crow]

Oh sorry

ist das ein deutsches emoji
kannst du es mir bitte¿ übersetzen

Forgot the question marks

[twin dirge]

I love 1940s germany

best political party

[west crow]

Edgy 😡👎

[twin dirge]

no u

[prisma zodiac]

i take it this is a joke attempt? Seems unfunny even by german standards :^ )

[west crow]

Well first one I was curious on what the emoji was

Second one was an attempt at a joke yes

[prisma zodiac]

its blank

[west crow]

Is it German

[twin dirge]

German

[plush basin]

Do you have any Berndt das brot emotes

[twin dirge]

TELL US

[plush basin]

That guy was wilding on tv when I went over there

[prisma zodiac]

[plush basin]

sick

[west crow]

NO WAY

[prisma zodiac]

[twin dirge]

are you german

[prisma zodiac]

possibly

[twin dirge]

are you white

[prisma zodiac]

[west crow]

Where are you from prisoner

[twin dirge]

what are your affiliates

[west crow]

Linkedin?

[twin dirge]

Infinity Chan

[west crow]

What

Is that in Poland?

🇵🇱

[twin dirge]

who is the spy

[west crow]

France?

🇫🇷

[winter wharf]

Je suis anglais

[twin dirge]

France more like yoj

[west crow]

Czech republic?

🇨🇿

Great britain?

🇬🇧

[winter wharf]

Please don't use the word Great before Britain, the place is going to shit

[prisma zodiac]

i think this is a good time to start

where R5?

[west crow]

Britain Great

[twin dirge]

Britain cheese

[west crow]

Has anyone been keeping up with the where r5? On their Twitter?

[twin dirge]

R5 next week

[west crow]

June 1st

[twin dirge]

Germany is holding R5 from us

[west crow]

You have to wait for that youtuber to finish his r4 guide

That's usually when devs release content

[twin dirge]

germany

[hexed vapor]

@real moss
Tool and ammo settings going zone by zone (reverse order) between OG and Alt...
OG: 0.0 0.0 / 0.0 0.0 / 0.0 0.0 / 1.0 0.8 / 1.0 0.8 / 1.2 0.5 / 0.5 0.4 / 0.5 0.4 / 0.8 0.8 / 0.0 0.0 / 0.5 0.5 / 0.0 0.0
Alt: 0.0 0.0 / 0.0 0.0 / 0.0 0.0 / 1.0 0.8 / 1.3 1.3 / 1.2 0.5 / 0.5 0.4 / 0.5 0.4 / 0.8 0.8 / 0.0 0.0 / 0.5 0.5 / 0.0 0.0

So, zones 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 99, 100, 101, and 102 have identical resource distributions.
Zone 98 is the only difference, although it is along the main path. The difference amounts to ~2 ammo uses and ~3 tool uses up from OG.

[real moss]

Thx m8

Guess I'm just really coom efficient

[prisma zodiac]

dj
As a true elitist you shouldve said those 5 uses were the biggest difference

[real moss]

Nah I am a nice guy

Never attacked anyone in my life

[prisma zodiac]

You should rejoin steam discussions

[real moss]

I think it's a deeper salt mine than lol ranked games

[prisma zodiac]

Yes

its fun to witness

[real moss]

The specimens there are ..... special

[real moss]

When tierlist?

[prisma zodiac]

preferably once r6 or r8

[real moss]

8 rundowns to list 😭

[twin dirge]

17*

or 16

depends if Alt R7

[prisma zodiac]

eh ranking og rundowns into it would be bleh

[twin dirge]

but aren't the OG rundowns "the best"

[atomic escarp]

[wary olive]

Anyone else having performance issues in alt r4?

Is it just because the maps are a lot bigger

[deft kiln]

Yup

[daring pilot]

yeah I've heard a lot of people have been having em, not sure why

[deft kiln]

Maps are to big

[daring pilot]

computer started chugging near the end of B1

[deft kiln]

Very common issue in modded

[wary olive]

Having better frames in samdown than vanilla maps...

🤣

[deft kiln]

LOL

[nocturne flax]

combination of that how the game renders rooms

[wary olive]

I think in c3 I was going down to 30-40 fps feelsbad

[prisma zodiac]

only time i had real issues for now was the surge alarms in c2

massive desync made b1 unplayable tho

[empty jackal]

What order to do R4B2 in?

[atomic escarp]

blowverload>secondary

[wary olive]

Blowverload 😳

[empty jackal]

I thought I was crazy but there's a tonne of desync in that one specific expedition no?

[wary olive]

Reactor missions tend to desync more for some reason

[atomic escarp]

reactor moment

[empty jackal]

I thought it was me lagging

[prisma zodiac]

reactors do that sometimes sadly

[empty jackal]

But then went in for a second time and happened again

[prisma zodiac]

possibly due to massive info queue up

[empty jackal]

I've never had that happen before, but that might just be because I've recently started doing more online than bots

[wary olive]

Not sure if other people have had contradictory experiences but desync seems to be related to host stability in my experience. I can play with ocelots host from Vietnam and have no desync because he has a stable connection but I play on gourilla or khangs host also from Asia and enemies are invisible

[nocturne flax]

ryk discovers missing packets

[wary olive]

[nocturne flax]

[wary olive]

I've also had desync from a na host

Some people in lfg think that desync is caused by high ping though

[atomic escarp]

playing with the OCE bros

[frail horizon]

is that even possible

[last gust]

you're forced to crack secondary first, and I don't think there's a consequence for putting in the command to complete secondary up front

[frail horizon]

i thought the rest of the keys spawned in secobdary

[empty jackal]

I was told blowverload>secondary though

[last gust]

almost certain that cracking main with your first bulk key cuts you off from secondary

not sure about overload

[empty jackal]

Yeah Main is usually left for last

No?

[last gust]

or blowverload for that matter

[balmy robin]

Correct.

There is only one key in Main, and two in Secondary

[frail horizon]

how many keys in blowverload?

[balmy robin]

None

[last gust]

I think you could complete main and then do overload, but you'd be doing overload in fog

[frail horizon]

okay theres one key in main

[balmy robin]

The Overload sector is "behind" the Main sector bulkhead door

[empty jackal]

I'm personally not that big of a fog fan

[frail horizon]

use one of the two keys in secondary to unlock main door

is there another main door behind that one?

[last gust]

then do secondary, then crack main and go for overload asap, then find cells and plug none in until you have all of them

[balmy robin]

Indeed, to Overload

3 doors, 3 keys

[frail horizon]

that's not a main door

[balmy robin]

I do not think there is any level with two different bulkhead doors for a single layer :)

Not in vanilla at least

[last gust]

r4a2/a3?

[frail horizon]

so then you are forced to go secondary first

[balmy robin]

Still one bulkhead door per layer

A3 is like B2

Secondary first

then Main, and Overload inside Main

[last gust]

am I misunderstanding something? e.g. in a3, main has two bulkhead doors

[balmy robin]

I just expanded a bit :)

[last gust]

a2 has something similar, I think with secondary?

[balmy robin]

A2 is a bit different

Main has no bulkhead door

but the Overload Sector is behind the Secondary bulkhead

[frail horizon]

its not really even a bulkhead

because it doesnt bulk

[balmy robin]

Even though they changed the door model to a "grayed-out security door"

they still count as bulkhead door

(in my book)

[frail horizon]

well it makes a lot of confusion in my experience

[balmy robin]

Like "a door unlocked by a bulkhead door controller"

true

Unsure why they decided to do so

Maybe to reinforce the difference between the "Main" layer and the optional ones

[frail horizon]

it makes sense

[balmy robin]

But sometimes in order to get to the optional layers you have to go through the Main door

Well...

[frail horizon]

for some optional objectives

the hard part is the lingering effect rather than the actual mission

which doesnt really work if you do everything else first

and then pull error door and run straight to extraction

[balmy robin]

And in some very niche cases, the lingering part actually makes the mission easier

Like completing the Secondary layer on R4C3

getting rid of the infectious fog for good

Probably makes Main easier, as long as you do not wipe in Secondary

[last gust]

okay I dropped into a3 and checked on a terminal

4 bulkhead keys

[balmy robin]

🤔

[last gust]

feel like I'm being gaslighted tbh, I was sure main bulk door opens into a room with another main bulk door across the other end

[wary olive]

There are 2 main bulkhead doors in that one

I remember being confused why there were 4 bulkhead keys

[balmy robin]

You need one to get into Secondary, which you get from the first zone behind the team scan, then one in Secondary to open Main, and then 1 in the last Main room to get into Overload

[last gust]

like, when I saw these upon first starting r4, I thought "wtf r4 is up to some unnatural shit with its bulkheads"

[balmy robin]

I do not see why you would need a fourth there

[errant vigil]

Main takes two keys

[balmy robin]

Ahhh

My bad then ; did not remember this part (even though I literally did this level a couple days ago with bots)

[frail horizon]

a3 was not particularly a memorable expedition

[balmy robin]

I like it

Not too long, and different stuff to do

[frail horizon]

remind me the objectives

i have completely forgot

[balmy robin]

Main is just "reach the forward extraction point"

Secondary is collecting hormones

Overload is a command at a terminal at the end of the layer

[frail horizon]

right right

i remember we 1 att'd all a tiers

[balmy robin]

Small level design issue here ; they could have just left the optional overload zone in the last big Main room, and that's it ?

Unless I am forgetting something

[last gust]

second main bulk door gates extract

[balmy robin]

Yes, but I see no justification for it

Anyways, it was probably the same back then and they kept the same structure for consistency

[last gust]

you either use the key to crack extract, or you commit to going deep into overload to get another key to crack extract

you could get the same logic out of cells, but then players need to lug cells

you can't get the same logic out of normal keys

[balmy robin]

I understand

[wary olive]

What's the overload objective I forget

[last gust]

and it marginally matters, because if for some reason players can't hack overload, they can't just rush for extract

[balmy robin]

Makes Overload a "do or die"

instead of just a "let's try and then fall back to Main if it is too scary"

[last gust]

the maybe more confusing thing is why the first main door exists

I guess they want the res zone gated off for until after you do secondary?

[balmy robin]

Who even goes to the res zone anyways ?

I still need to get back there to see what changed ^^

[last gust]

anyway, 3 bulk keys in a2

please someone confirm that there are two secondary bulk doors in a2, I'm going crazy

[balmy robin]

One door to open the Secondary layer ; then one door to open the Overload layer inside that
Dammit, forgot the Secondary has a second door behind as well

[last gust]

i.e. the door between the elevator zone and secondary sector, then you're meant to commit to overload first before being allowed into the section with the actual secondary objective

[balmy robin]

No ; you can clear Secondary, then come back and complete the Main objective

[errant vigil]

There are

Main doesn't need a bulkhead key to finish

[balmy robin]

Well, I stand corrected :D

Forgot that damned Secondary bulkhead door inside the first one

[prisma zodiac]

you can do the A3 bulkheads (first main, secondary, overload) in "any order" as in you can open sec or main first. And finish overload/secondary first
the only one you cant open first is overload (duh) and have to finish main "last" if you decide to do pe obviously

and yes fn, theres 2 "bulkhead doors". Tho 2nd one is just a sec door with the main print and turned around for some reason

you go into secondary and chose between secondary and overload there. Needing to do overload first for pe

[balmy robin]

Would you like to demonstrate a "Main => Overload => Secondary" route for fun though ?

[prisma zodiac]

its honestly not too bad

[balmy robin]

Alright, next try R4D2 => Overload => Pick the cargo => Do Secondary => Complete Main

[last gust]

the preferred way to play gtfo is with persistent 3-striker error

[prisma zodiac]

havent done that at all yet (never did pe in og (but did both side objectives seperatly)) and didnt get there yet in alt

my party is on pause

for now

[last gust]

I haven't had time to do c3 onward

[obtuse cedar]

You aint missing much

[last gust]

trio'd c2 with a noob, we wiped on the datasphere shadow error and chose to do the whole thing again on the spot

[prisma zodiac]

yeah only C3, D1, D2 and E1

4 missions aint that much

[last gust]

c2 is ass

[prisma zodiac]

C2 is big (main is ass oof)

[obtuse cedar]

All waterdowned version of the originals except D2 which is just a

Layout hell

[last gust]

yeah main is what kills it

[prisma zodiac]

tbf main itself is a cool idea (basically r1b1 but challenging) but god its shit as a PE

[last gust]

the surges are cute and the shadow error is intriguing

[prisma zodiac]

the surges are fun when you do a class 9 surge

[obtuse cedar]

It isn't a class 9 at that point. Since 3 scans are always up.

No wait time in between them

[prisma zodiac]

you pull each one immediatly after the other

theres spawn delays when alarm 1 is done after 2 yes, but most of the time you are running away from enemies and not killing the coming ones in my way

so its a class 9

[candid dragon]

c3pe is too goddamn long.

[obtuse cedar]

It's only an hour

[real moss]

I have a clip for you for the surge

[obtuse cedar]

Though they did double the soze of overload

[candid dragon]

made it easier to deal with the charger waves tbh

[tough atlas]

I feel like rather than long some sectors just feel like padding at a certain point

I think it took me something like 4-5 tries to R4C3PE (never finished the Original one) and the only issue was surviving the charger error

[candid dragon]

agreed.

[tough atlas]

Even the worst attempt we still got to kill the tank

[candid dragon]

backloaded difficulty.

[real moss]

R4D2 is the same. only part you die is shadow error

[candid dragon]

same as r2e1.

the hard part is the last 5 minutes

[tough atlas]

It's a complaint I always had about some maps with sectors is that some feel like there's a really hard part that's behind a lot of padding

[tough atlas]

yeah tbh

Maybe it would feel a bit less padded if every map stuck to simply having 1 extra sector

Like, I dont have that feeling about A1-B1-C1-D1

[real moss]

nah there are very good PE's and even R4C3PE in the ende was just 1.5 hours

[tough atlas]

I'll say that I liked what R5A2PE did

[real moss]

but it could be better balanced instead of : just end hard

[real moss]

yeah same issue, but there its so short it doesn't matter

[balmy robin]

R7C3 strikes a good balance for layers in my opinion

[obtuse cedar]

The shadow error is the easy part on d2. What you on about? Bio just need to communicate

[real moss]

kinda sec is a boring ass part

[balmy robin]

Each additional one adds another enemy type to the Err wave

[real moss]

its the only part we died (once)

[real moss]

yes that is a good thing, I agree

[tough atlas]

My group died there once then next try nearly everything spawned behind and foam was enough to keep them busy until end of extraction

[obtuse cedar]

You can be on 1hp the entire time. You can reroute all of them wgen they spawn behind and they never catch up. Only forward waves needs to be killef

[balmy robin]

I just retried R7C2 recently, after playing all the Alt:// ones, damn does Overload feel packed :D

[tough atlas]

I guess that everything felt a bit formulaic before, with the added point of fog rising for secondary

[real moss]

yeah, kinda same. we wacked everything in front untill they were all behind and they appeared on extract when at 85%

[real moss]

it was just a: shoot each other issue that happened.

its still the only part where I could see teams really die

[balmy robin]

In dense fog the difference between friend and foe can be tenuous :D

[obtuse cedar]

Plenty of place people can die when charger are spammed in alarms

[last gust]

I give r7c3ex credit for being an optional in the melee gimmick

it's not amazing, but I respect the commitment to the bit

[balmy robin]

I loved triggering a Scout there, switching to my weapons by reflex

Then realizing.

[real moss]

obv, but if you permafoam all doors, chargers ain't gon do shit

its still gtfo, you can always die

[wary olive]

What's the hard part on D2 then?

Or the not easy part

[balmy robin]

The class VIII if you have no tool / very unlucky wave spawns can be quite challenging

And the rooms behind the Secondary blood doors can be packed as hell and contain a Scout in A

leading to quite a massive enemy count

[obtuse cedar]

The hard part is if you are low of resources at the class 8. Else there is the surge+ class 5 combo if you go for the turbine

[obtuse cedar]

Also don't bring c-foam on that level. You gonna see a lot more of chargers

[real moss]

now you are just putting extra conditions

[obtuse cedar]

All the tiles they give you have easy chokepoint to defend still without foam

But you gotta find it :)

[real moss]

Yeah but why would we do that if we could literally permafoam the whole level and not run out of tool

[winter wharf]

The hard part of d2 is not being fucked on resources at the end

[real moss]

at that point... well whats the point

[winter wharf]

That's it, at least imo

[obtuse cedar]

That is boring though. Just sitting in scans not doing much

[wary olive]

This is what i felt as well, granted I was with a competent team

[obtuse cedar]

Spice up your gameplay

:)

[real moss]

yeah but it works.

[real moss]

obviously you can always do that 🙂

[winter wharf]

Of course if someone takes provisions every mission that would be tight on resources becomes a complete joke

[real moss]

we had zero boosters

[winter wharf]

I'll spice it up by shooting stealth zones, because that's equivalent to shooting reactor waves

[candid dragon]

honestly, boosters need more wacky wahoo pizza if you know what i mean.

[real moss]

as long as your pizza has no pineapple: sure

[candid dragon]

the fact stacking the same booster is meta sucks.

oh, ill take X with Y, you should take W with Z

mission machine broke.

funny that you can just oh, my tool refil gives +50% to foam, and you have foam boosters stacked to give another double of foam.

then a 10 part uplink just becomes a time inconvenience.

[half hornet]

I don't know, I find it amusing to dunk on sleepers with surprise all foam

[candid dragon]

oops, all foam.

[real moss]

thats why you don't take boosters for first clear

[balmy robin]

To be honest I really like +50% Melee damage when health is > 50%

[half hornet]

Same

[balmy robin]

All the rest can go to the bin

[half hornet]

Soloing giants is so goddamn oomf

if only spear could that by default

[balmy robin]

Feels so good two tapping them

[real moss]

btw loved the vids. stumbled on them by accident today.

[half hornet]

Which ones

[candid dragon]

i want stamina penalty booster negatives.

[real moss]

kinda strange tho cause in chat you're always grumpy

[candid dragon]

melee reduction damage when looking west.

bouncy glowsticks

[real moss]

the R6C3 (Y NO SEC )montage, R7C1 and elden ring the last one

[half hornet]

My chat persona is weird

I think it's unholy amalgamation of an average internet poster

[real moss]

it just shows how little text convenes about a person

[half hornet]

Except almost no humor.

[real moss]

It was especially peculiar to see how much you actually enjoyed C1 while on the discord you were kinda calling bs 🙂

good to see honestly

[candid dragon]

easy to get caught up in the moment

[half hornet]

I wouldn't play the game if I didn't enjoy it somehow.
Also the other guys helped.

I just hate Es and overloads, that's it.

Can crouch stealth for days

[real moss]

on day you'll grow to love em

[half hornet]

Speaking of beating an E...

We are finally getting the default tigris helmet. After 12.000 years.

[real moss]

you know what you have to do now 🙂

[half hornet]

Already on it. As are finished yesterday (they didn't feel like an A at all).

[real moss]

PE's?

not that they are needed for the helmet

[half hornet]

Yes.

[obtuse cedar]

It's more spicy then reactor. You don't have all the reactor ammo and they don't come from a single line :)

[real moss]

👍

[winter wharf]

I wasn't talking about r4e1 :)

[olive shoal]

What happened to the 🙂 sgx

[winter wharf]

awfully presumptive of you :)

[olive shoal]

now it just feels wrong

[obtuse cedar]

Phone says no to emoji shortcut

[olive shoal]

unfort

[obtuse cedar]

Better that way imo

[fallow wasp]

Actually wiped with a group of people on A2, things are crazy

[winter wharf]

yeah wiping on a2 is pretty crazy

[fallow wasp]

realistically though, half the squad hadn't played since old R4

[winter wharf]

although to be fair it can be overwhelming if you're not super experienced

[real moss]

whats the problem then? they should know the levels no?

[fallow wasp]

well, I don't think they completed r4

[real moss]

it was a joke

[fallow wasp]

or even played more than 20 hours

huh?

Not funny, didn't laugh

[tepid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/deadass-b-gif-11172230

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-perms-gif-24709744

[fallow wasp]

Heinous agony, was on the 2nd of 3 terminal uplinks in R4B3 after completing secondary and overload and then the host's computer shat itself and the game kicked us all

[pliant pasture]

yaaa

[fresh bronze]

what clown did you anger enough to have a clown react on like 30 messages kek who would even waste there time doing that

[half hornet]

Alright, B1 secondary down...

From now on its uncharted territory

hoping for some good fucking drip, game

don't dissapoint me!

[plush basin]

I really like one of the new torsos. It isn't muddy at all so the different palletes show up really nicely

[fresh bronze]

im still wearing my dirty cargoshorts i got within like the first 4 clears i ever did

[half hornet]

i want a good colour pallete for once

i'm big into blues, but the only options i have at the moment are OVERLOAD SIX (too toxic-blue, almost purple) and LONGSWORD which is nice, but too plain and got no good accents

[fresh bronze]

i like the purple one i got, the black ones are pretty damn ugly cus all the palletes look black most of the time anyways

i wish the palletes where a bit brighter

[prisma zodiac]

theres 1 thing i never rly changed

the puffervest

[fresh bronze]

i do like my metal pegleg

[half hornet]

i prefer the kneepads and the empty holster

[kind swan]

not very pistol of you

[deft kiln]

Dw they will fix this

[kind swan]

[fresh bronze]

im not regenerating health after dying in cancer fog

[candid dragon]

clown react me, i can take it.

[kind swan]

aight bet

[candid dragon]

also, negative steam review seem to always land me a clown react.

[coarse berry]

god we need a cleanliness option / unlock

I know there's a mod for it but still

[fresh bronze]

gtfo players and bad opinions name a more iconic duo

[coarse berry]

Heat is super ncie

[fringe surge]

how does the fog in r4 B2 work

when you do extreme I mean

does putting cells in transfer the fog in from one area to the other?
cuz that's how it seemed like to me when I played through it

also,does putting all 4 cells in start another perma alarm?

[astral ferry]

putting in cells lowers the fog, which is initially at ceiling level

ideally you don't put any cells into the gen if you're doing PE until the very end

[fringe surge]

oh

I see
I never looked up I gues

thanks

maybe then next bot PE will be successful

oh yea
the overload section

there's a class 6 alarm right in the first overload zone
and then a class 5 alarm zone which has mothers behind it in the non alarm zone
is there any generally agreed "easier" route

[velvet flower]

One zone can spawn 4 OSIPs which forces you to go to that zone, be sure to check with terminal first. Imo, Z292(class 4 + blood door) > Z295(2 mothers) > Z293(class 6) from hardest to easiest.

Overall all 3 zones kinda have similar difficulties

[fringe surge]

Thank you

I'll give that shot next time
And not have all 3 cells slapped in while going through it

[glass mirage]

After seeing people talk about the overload for that I'm really starting to wonder how the hell I did it blind first try

Blind both about the level and what was going on, as well as from having 3 cells in

[fresh bronze]

that was way closer than i like to admit for a c tier good god

blind runs are fun as hell but chargers are brutal man

i had 0 ammo both guns because i was defending waves for the most part

that level is basically the perfect difficulty for a 2 man with bots

[real moss]

The biggest clown of them all. Lets just say he's a dik 😂

[fresh bronze]

thats crazy bro

also r3d1 good level or mid level?

almost done with r3 finally hopin it got a good finale

[real moss]

🥳

[real moss]

It's good. Actually an improvement over OG R3D1

[fresh bronze]

i dont think ive actually fought a pmother yet so that should be interesting

[real moss]

It's like a mother but you shoot more

[fresh bronze]

fair enough

regular mother but it wants to talk to my manager

[real moss]

pretty much

R3D1 is good and short

I think you'll enjoy it

[fresh bronze]

it looked like a shorter level

unironically i struggled more with r3b2 than r3c1 not sure if thats intended

[real moss]

I dunno. I see most pub teams wipe on R3C1 if you compare to R3B2

R3B2 only really if they all have never seen a mom and panic when she wake up

[fresh bronze]

i think its more of a matter of "yeah lets just do the class 5 alarm we are gamers we dont need the resources" followed by 2 hours of wiping because we dont have any resources

[orchid kindle]

difference between mom and pmom (From what I've experienced): Mag dumping a hel shotty into a mom's spawn wave means maybe 3 babies survive. mag dumping pmom is more like 8-13 survive

might be cause I'm bad tho

[fresh bronze]

i took burst rifle in for the mom fight in the level and god damn burst rifle fucking slaughters ol momma

[pulsar zodiac]

Janky bottom sack hitbox and jankier bottom sack hitbox

[real moss]

Hmm we did not have resource problems on our class V run 🤔

[fresh bronze]

r3c1 had the charger shit which chargers are just harder to deal with generally

did it as a 2 man so we had bots being assholes

[real moss]

Ah well yes if you play handicapped runs it's not gonna be the same

[fresh bronze]

only so much you can do when a bot insist on giving one person 3 uses of ammo when everybody needs ammo

[prisma zodiac]

space shots a bit

[fresh bronze]

when we did the class 3 alarm and the side area off the mom room it was honestly piss easy

[orchid kindle]

Space shots? so it's just cause I'm shit

[real moss]

MG goes brrrrr, babies go poof

[fresh bronze]

the class 5 giving no resources combined with no side area actually makes for a suprisingly hard map

[real moss]

Especially now the recoil on veruta is pretty much gone

[orchid kindle]

d1 was quiet fun

especially cause we had little idea of what the fuck to do

[fresh bronze]

babies aint ever really been a problem with mom fights for me and my group as long as we knew we where fighting a mom

got one or two high damage weapons mag dumping into her usually it stagger locks her

not sure how well that would work with pmom

[orchid kindle]

pmom is instant wake

so you might not be able to get there in time

[real moss]

Not instant

[orchid kindle]

you know what I mean

[real moss]

You can make it to her and throw fog repellers before she wakes

But you need to be on top of your shit. No hesitation

[orchid kindle]

fog repellers?

[real moss]

Yep so room stays visible when she runs away

[fresh bronze]

yeah it seems hesitation on the mom fights is basically death garunteed

[orchid kindle]

just look at the bio pings

[fresh bronze]

one of the weird cases in the game where taking your time is very much so not a good idea

[real moss]

Everyone just chugs foggy's around room and then go blast and she can't hide

[real moss]

Bio is then free to shoot

[fresh bronze]

yeah i figured bio would be handy for finding her

[orchid kindle]

not when running 2 bots

[real moss]

Foggy's m8 . they negate the mother cooldown fog.

[real moss]

Obv bio on bot is ......

[orchid kindle]

yeah

[fresh bronze]

honestly when we run 3 man we always have bot running bio

[real moss]

I would still do both. You have time and it's more convenient

[real moss]

As you should

[fresh bronze]

they are worthless most of the time anyways

might aswell have them do something

[orchid kindle]

I'd love to play 3 man but everyone in my server never responds or are too inexperienced to play the level

[fresh bronze]

altho they where scaring the shit out of me end of r3c1 because we had all the chargers spawning behind us as we ran for extract except a few waves and when i turned around i saw like 40 red triangles quickly approaching

[orchid kindle]

it's fiinnneeee

[fresh bronze]

ive had a dedicated group since basically day one

[real moss]

swedish woman POV

/j before I get crucified

[fresh bronze]

this is such a cryptic meme

[orchid kindle]

I had azert and a couple people who popped in every now and again but they don't respond anymore

I'm looking at you, dna

[fresh bronze]

on god tho i am terrified of chargers those mfs haved fucked me up more times than i can count

on charger giant manages to get past the firing line and suddenly your entire squad goes from 100 hp to 0 in a blink of an eye

[real moss]

I am busy clearing R4

[orchid kindle]

same

[fresh bronze]

its to hard to invite people to my gtfo group

mfs i play with are more toxic than i am

[real moss]

LOL player POV

[fresh bronze]

once you get to know em you realize they are fuckin around but there has been far more than one occassion we invite someone and they are gone within 20 minutes

record time is 30 seconds

[orchid kindle]

I have 11 people in my server and I've played with 2 of them in the last 3 months

[real moss]

Symptoms of todays weak "I'm offended" society.

[fresh bronze]

gotta understand i have spend over 1k hours in vc with one of these guys in the past year alone

[fresh bronze]

friend said "give her a second to get the mods she isnt great with computers" and without missing a beat i said women moment and then she left

it was around the time that damn team fortress 2 meme was everywhere

[orchid kindle]

woman moment

[real moss]

If that's it ..... Well damn

[real moss]

👆😅

[fresh bronze]

honestly average discord interaction

[orchid kindle]

Least brain dead discord conversation of the year

[fresh bronze]

this is the only public server i talk in

and i only chat here when im actively playing gtfo

[orchid kindle]

that explains why you think this is an 'average' discord conversation

[fresh bronze]

i used to do public servers

i cant with that shit nowadays ive grown to old

its fun with the right group

i remember leading a fucking rebellion against mods in some anime discord server

back in the good ol days

[orchid kindle]

I just join servers with brain dead people cause it's funny and it's nice to remember that I still have a brain

[fresh bronze]

regardless i feel ya on the lack of people to play with

bots and later levels dont mix

[orchid kindle]

and lfg ain't too great either

it's alright but not my cup of tea

[twin dirge]

me when in LFG and one of them is loudly on TikTok

[fresh bronze]

more levels there are the harder it will get to play a specific level

[real moss]

So glad it's getting banned

[fresh bronze]

could be worse, your best friend could be a asian dude who lives with his parents and doesnt have a bedroom so he plays in the living room and is constantly berated by his mother the moment its past 8pm

[fresh bronze]

give it a month for the gap in the market to be filled by google or microsoft

[real moss]

Ban them as well

[twin dirge]

oddly specific but true

[fresh bronze]

let me tell ya sometimes she is so loud i literally cant even hear my game audio

he is like 1/5th as loud as she is

playing gtfo when you cant hear sleepers is a wee bit harder ngl

[twin dirge]

replace the sleeper sounds with her

[fresh bronze]

perhaps

on god i cant complain its not like i stealth anything anyways

[candid dragon]

The clotheshangering will continue until

[twin dirge]

until

[half hornet]

I'm late but...
Is your negative review objective and well-written, or just one of those "game bad" one-sentence-reviews that say nothing?

[tough atlas]

If it wasn't for this game I'd have never installed discord

It's also one of the reasons why I always advocate for an ingame lobby browser and that's it

If it's all just a message about how many players and for what map you're looking for, no reason not to just have that

[half hornet]

Server browser hard?...

[real moss]

you crazy. objective and well written means nothing on the internet

[tough atlas]

I feel like asking for well-written and objective bad reviews is probably like asking people to stay sober at Oktoberfest

What I mean is, dude plays game, doesn't like it, writes negative review with "not for me, too hard"

Point taken I guess? Why would he need to elaborate further?

[prisma zodiac]

Theres definetly well written negative reviews

[half hornet]

Ideally - yes, otherwise his review doesn't mean much.

[prisma zodiac]

id most likely write a positive review (since its only pos/neg on steam) with a bunch of critique

i think the only game i can write a indepth negative review on is ARK

@real moss

[tough atlas]

I never wrote a review on Steam because I think noone's gonna give a shit tbh

[prisma zodiac]

yea

[real moss]

Nah they would say : game hard cause game bad

[tough atlas]

I mean, I certanly never cared about them in any game

[half hornet]

It's always negative reviews that start with "I like the game, but..." that are super useful because they usually bring up a lot of good points and nuisances that bleed the game dry as you go on.

[tough atlas]

I just saw gameplay videos and if I like it good

[real moss]

Y you do me like that

also aberration m8

[twin dirge]

"I like the game but..." then proceeds to doxx every dev

[real moss]

Btw I see you joined the slayer gang up

[prisma zodiac]

that would be the positive part of the negative review

[prisma zodiac]

ignoring points multiple times = disingenious discussion

[real moss]

He started this bs when he hit R7D1. I gave up on the guy a loooooong time ago

[real moss]

😔 but but

[prisma zodiac]

its just that i wouldnt recommend ark

maybe wth the now lower prices

but back then?

at like 120€ for game and dlcs

oof

[real moss]

Nah that was ridiculous

I got it for 20 on instant gaming

[prisma zodiac]

imo game is worth 60 with dlcs

but bugs and the almost needed unofficial servers are big negatives

[real moss]

I get ya. Game shines tho when clustered and higher rates

[bold widget]

To ya all using the checkpoint meme for the 7330 time

[west crow]

Nomad

You said you'd make a new furry gtfo meme

And you have yet to do it

I am heartbroken, disappointed, and distraught

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[bold widget]

I will at some point

[twin dirge]

average furry L

[atomic escarp]

I will now commit sin and add cat ears to my airsoft helmet

[half hornet]

And we need to know that why

[kind swan]

Add a Fur suit with tactical gear

[hexed vapor]

@olive shoal Thoughts on Choke Mod vs. Sniper for R4E1 duo?

Also, is Revo still the play for wave clear?

[olive shoal]

choke is p nice i think

beep probs will be trying that

sniper could also be quite nice but pushing codes with that sounds kinda pain

ive been solo holding with hel revo hel gun so far

found decent spots where i can crutch on pen rlly hard and put in work

im abt to try revo anyway but bread got softlocked so

[deft kiln]

Unfo

[olive shoal]

if u use the funny choke mod macro u can burn boss enemies down quite fast

[prisma zodiac]

you trying duos with bread?

[olive shoal]

no we're doing pubs but we'll probs give the duo a try

[prisma zodiac]

oh god good luck

i hope i get t finally play c3 and forward today

had a pause with that party

Whats generally needed from the „choke mod“ player

since the wave holder has wave clear

[olive shoal]

good damage on boss enemies rlly

[prisma zodiac]

noted, so its basically sniper/choke/bc

[olive shoal]

i can see an argument for running sniper or choke

both are very solid picks

[prisma zodiac]

sniper definetly makes tank quicker/easier

and probably pmom/hybrids aswell

also, you been getting used to new hel gun delay beth?

i feel like today was the first day it didnt outright fuck with me

[olive shoal]

im pretty used to it now

thats why im able to solo hold fairly well w it

gun still feels very insane LOL

[prisma zodiac]

yep

[tough atlas]

thoughts on arbalist?

[olive shoal]

har better

[errant vigil]

No charge up full auto secondary

[winter wharf]

I can tell you that the real R4E1 has been done duo with both of those (Revo + sniper/choke mod), either will still be possible

[hexed vapor]

Tyty all

[hexed vapor]

Thoughts on HEL Revo vs. Rifle or PDW?

[olive shoal]

im not sure honestly

if u take pdw u dont rlly need bio so u can take smth else like mines

which mightbe nice? but man hel revo is just really good so im reluctant to pass it up

rifle is also a nice pick but im a hel revo simp so i stick with it

[hexed vapor]

Noted.

Might be somewhat preference, then, but I could see HEL Revo is you need to lean on your Main a lot.

[winter wharf]

should be able to make any primary work, you should have more ammo/tool compared to original by virtue of shorter scans

[olive shoal]

i can see rifle being quite nice honestly

i gotta try out pdw and rifle before i decide

but rn im leaning towards hel revo

[deft kiln]

@olive shoal thoughts on the political situation of Europe right now

[pliant pasture]

is the concept for rifle rifle to stack up a few for Hel secondary to chew on? or is its damage solid enough to tussle with hel revo?

[olive shoal]

where even is europe man

[deft kiln]

Based

[olive shoal]

if im not mistaken i assume rifle hs and helgun body kills

[deft kiln]

Europe doesn’t matter L continent

[hexed vapor]

It's one of HEL Gun's best finisher options.

[olive shoal]

does body work too?

[hexed vapor]

Plus it has some on-demand stagger spam if the charge-up becomes a problem.

Yeah.

5 damage.

[olive shoal]

kinda wild

might have to try it

[deft kiln]

Hel rev has a great finisher option with knife

Against shooters

One to the head then just a knife tap

So cool definitely useful

[olive shoal]

i can just do that with hammer

and it works on strikers too

[deft kiln]

No

Not another thing knife doesn’t do better

[pliant pasture]

knife plus hammer is a good synergy, because hammer staggers in between knife hits when trying to kill a small striker

[deft kiln]

When the knife staggers you mean

[pliant pasture]

yes, you can stagger lock it with knife and hammer, because stagger is good

[deft kiln]

Yup very good

[twin dirge]

[fresh bronze]

When i say it the chat erupts into war but when gerz says it, its all fine. Society.