Hello Wesley the silent one. The current development is on a CONTENT LOCK. No new content can be added without each current level being absolutely broken in the process (there is no baking). If they were to attempt to fix r7d1 it would break everything and they would have to remake every level up to it again.
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
west crow
narrow gulch
My spaghetti doesn't scream when I eat it idk bout you
deft kiln
LOL
obtuse surge
deft kiln
Meatball scream is so cursed
pliant pasture
thats because you aren't eating the forbidden spaghetti
obtuse surge
immortal snoring
west crow
Please stop calling them meatballs they are flyers
I saw them behind a dirty door once
west crow
That's the dev official name
narrow gulch
🤨
obtuse surge
lay deez nuts in your mouth
deft kiln
Pls pls pls
obtuse surge
obtuse surge
narrow gulch
Boykisser spotted
west crow
DEV OFFICIAL NAMES
Striker --> monsters
Shooter --> monsters
Bullrusher --> monsters
Big shooter --> monsters
Big striker --> big guy
Hybrid --> bullrusher
Flyer --> ???
Tank --> ???
Birther --> moms
Child strikers --> babies
Pouncer --> new danger in c1
obtuse surge
<:ihavenofacebutiwillstillscream:722196261779931238>
your balls will love this
west crow
I would suck Wesley's balls but I am worried he would ask me to watch anime after
And I don't think I'm emotionally ready for that
deft kiln
Can’t play gtfo babe kissing the homie 🥵
deft kiln
I would suck Wesley's balls but I am worried he would ask me to watch anime afte...
Beep good for you
west crow
Hold old are you jish
deft kiln
Setting boundaries didn’t think you had it in you
west crow
I think you're 36
obtuse surge
deft kiln
😭😭
obtuse surge
deft kiln
I think you're 36
Beep I think you might be off but just a few
tepid hawk
22
kind swan
DEV OFFICIAL NAMES
Striker --> monsters
Shooter --> monsters
Bullrusher --> mo...
Strikers used to be called split heads iirc
Very old name
half hornet
Ooooh that's such a cool name
And now I'm mad again
This game...
Urgh
"Strikers..." go strike some b~
pliant pasture
strikers is generic, but split heads is clunky and dorky
hmmm perhaps tongue punchers? would be better
maws?
"oh just a couple small maws left"
"heres one giant maw, wheres his brother?
hmmm
just calling them 'a split' is pretty aight
west crow
hmmm perhaps tongue punchers? would be better
I'm going to tongue punch your mother
tough atlas
hmmm perhaps tongue punchers? would be better
"Tongue Puncher" sounds like a weird cocktail with a lot of chillies in it
west umbra
I feel like strikers is the best for callouts though, it’s fast and easy to say and understand
pliant pasture
"Tongue Puncher" sounds like a weird cocktail with a lot of chillies in it
now i want one, going to have to invent it first though
west umbra
Copyright it lmao
tough atlas
I feel like strikers is the best for callouts though, it’s fast and easy to say ...
I still laugh everytime someone calls a big striker a "Frank"
pliant pasture
I feel like strikers is the best for callouts though, it’s fast and easy to say ...
being generic has those benefits, but it doesn't have to be generic to have those benefits, you know?
pliant pasture
Copyright it lmao
BET
west crow
Frank 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣 that's🥹🤣🤣 not 🤣🤣🤣😂that's not what 🤣🤣 WHEEZ they're called 🤣🤣
tough atlas
I've always believed it to be short for Frankensteins or whatever
I still find it bizzarre
pliant pasture
a buddy came up with Long Limb Larry
pliant pasture
a buddy came up with Long Limb Larry
and i still enjoy that one
tough atlas
I guess the immortal is Pablo already and Jerry is also taken
pliant pasture
oh what is a larry?
pliant pasture
i thought he was named DOG
west crow
Snatcher I barely know her
pliant pasture
wheeze
west crow
Can you please respond with the joy emoji
tough atlas
I'd use the round thinking emoji for 90% of my interactions
pliant pasture
I guess the immortal is Pablo already and Jerry is also taken
but instead of just Sal for tank, Pablo can be Uncle Sal instead of generic Sal
pliant pasture
Can you please respond with the joy emoji
west crow
ANIME
tough atlas
is good.
west crow
I watched konasuba once
tough atlas
That's Kobayashi from Dragon Maid ftr
west crow
What a weird show
pliant pasture
What a weird show
konosuba is a bunch of inside jokes about anime, i am surprised you got through an entire season of it
west crow
Is the panty stealing an inside joke
pliant pasture
no its an outside of their clothes joke
west crow
👍
pliant pasture
jolly perch
when is r8
pliant pasture
we get there when we get there
fresh bronze
Is the panty stealing an inside joke
Its weebshit the anime, definitly not one to watch if you dislike weebshit.
obtuse surge
I watched konasuba once
I DID TOO
true hamlet
R4 Mask? Think this is just the Oblique Tigris mask or the unpainted version from the cover art?
pliant pasture
oh hell ya
kind swan
I guess I have to complete R4
I always wanted the oblique Tigris mask without the orange streaks
eternal dragon
R4 Mask? Think this is just the Oblique Tigris mask or the unpainted version fro...
Im so hyped
tough atlas
R4 Mask? Think this is just the Oblique Tigris mask or the unpainted version fro...
This looks like a RTX OFF RTX ON edit
real moss
This looks like a RTX OFF RTX ON edit
DLSS with R4 release confirmed !
coarse berry
I feel like strikers is the best for callouts though, it’s fast and easy to say ...
I just call them grunts
coarse berry
R4 Mask? Think this is just the Oblique Tigris mask or the unpainted version fro...
probably the r4 completion mask? I don't know if they plan on releasing more 'general' clothing items
winter wharf
with the release of alt rundown 4, they will prevent artefacts from spawning on their own in boxes/lockers
astral ferry
2 use medi > aggressive artifact
coarse berry
with the release of alt rundown 4, they will prevent artefacts from spawning on ...
wait really?
winter wharf
if it does turn out to be true I'll kick myself in the left testicle
coarse berry
On one hand, I wanna see that
On the other hand, they don't really make game changes anymore
feels like
add rundown, add gun, say goodbye for a few months
winter wharf
On one hand, I wanna see that
me kicking myself?
coarse berry
yeah
deft kiln
2 use medi > aggressive artifact
When the two c foam nades in r7d1 become artifacts
deft kiln
Can I see you kick yourself
coarse berry
i hate to disappoint but you won't be seeing much, I'm very shy
DAMNIT
winter wharf
Can I see you kick yourself
maybe, but it'll probably be very disappointing
twin dirge
NEW mask and NEW rundown
theres already so much
tribal loom
You know what would be a sick bag they should put in, one of those water resistant ones
Good example
kind swan
As if all the other gear we carry doesn't make noise
tribal loom
This bag would be quiet
No zip to open main
And it’s tpu
Not rubber
So no squeak
west crow
What about the squeaky boots
tribal loom
Depends on the materials
Leather or rubber yes
But some cloth with a rigid rubber under boot
No noise
^ materials engineer for many things
west crow
The squeaky boots stay winning
velvet linden
You know what would be a sick bag they should put in, one of those water resista...
is this for the water rundown
cerulean breach
any advice for r1 c1? the reactor restart? i cant get past it clossest was 8 of 8 but run out of ammo and tool fills
hexed vapor
any advice for r1 c1? the reactor restart? i cant get past it clossest was 8 of ...
Randoms or bots?
What loadouts?
cerulean breach
ive done with randoes and bots. best luck ive had was 2 snipers, 3 rifles, 1 lmg, 1 hel shotgun. 2 sniper turrets, 1 burst, 1 bio sensor
lavish wyvern
OOOOOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAAAH
EARLY R4
FUCK YES
I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE IN JUNE
hexed vapor
ive done with randoes and bots. best luck ive had was 2 snipers, 3 rifles, 1 lmg...
2 snipers sounds iffy to me, but w/e.
If tool is an issue, try using only 2 sentries on early waves.
lavish wyvern
yea turns out the guy saying june 1 was spreading misinformation
i'll put a curse on him
his dick will rot from the inside out
cerulean breach
2 snipers sounds iffy to me, but w/e.
If tool is an issue, try using only 2 se...
im game for suggestions lol snipers seem best way to deal with the wave of giants and hybrid
plush basin
Make sure you are collecting resource packs between each wave. You get more time between each one so you can run to the start of the level to collect things. Prioritise tool refill
velvet linden
his dick will rot from the inside out
i dont think thats necessary maybe hes learned his lesson
hexed vapor
im game for suggestions lol snipers seem best way to deal with the wave of giant...
You only really need one tbh, the smalls are more dangerous altogether.
lavish wyvern
i dont think thats necessary maybe hes learned his lesson
pishkintio bingaga ule ule
the curse is now upon him
obtuse surge
give him the real strats
lavish wyvern
so
velvet linden
how long do i have
velvet linden
uh
obtuse surge
USE HEL GUN AND BURST CANNON FOR R1C1
lavish wyvern
is the dude who said the thing about june 1
hexed vapor
All burst sentry + 1 bio
velvet linden
you are safe
im the april 27 guy tho
obtuse surge
put the burst cannon on the host
cerulean breach
USE HEL GUN AND BURST CANNON FOR R1C1
i like burst. but why the norm hel gun? im still new enuff so weapon diffrences arnt in my realm of full comprehension
lavish wyvern
and rot again
hexed vapor
Silence, blasphemer. June 1 is the one true date, and you shall have no false release dates before it.
velvet linden
and rot again
not like I was using it for much anyways
lavish wyvern
Silence, blasphemer. June 1 is the one true date, and you shall have no false r...
i curse you i curse you
cerulean breach
and it penetrates
so penetrating rounds for r1c1 is best?
obtuse surge
yeh
hexed vapor
Unless it's bots.
hexed vapor
guys what if pen actually worked as intended
HEL Gun just keeps winning.
atomic escarp
is it not working properly ?
velvet linden
HEL Gun just keeps winning.
but it could win harder
cerulean breach
ty ill give that a go next.
obtuse surge
the penetration thing is worse for hel shotgun
olive shoal
imagine hel gun winning even harder
velvet linden
is it not working properly ?
sometimes, enemies will eat up 2 "pierces" when they should only ever take up 1
hexed vapor
I can't believe that HEL Shotgun is almost balanced, this is so sad.
obtuse surge
cuz its spread makes it likely you hit multiple limbs
velvet linden
the penetration thing is worse for hel shotgun
hel shotgun is inherently flawed and should be removed
olive shoal
hel shotgun is balanced by all the peabrains that use it
lavish wyvern
hel shotgun is the best weapon
obtuse surge
hel shotgun is inherently flawed and should be removed
saw off*
deft kiln
That isn’t what makes it good
winter wharf
you want to kill a striker in 1-2 shots? aim better
lavish wyvern
but it needs damage
deft kiln
But giving it more dmg is insane
obtuse surge
xd
winter wharf
like I literally do not know what to tell you
deft kiln
no that is insane
winter wharf
it can already kill in 1-2 shots
hexed vapor
The two-shot is genuinely consistent.
winter wharf
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT PERSON
velvet linden
you want to kill a striker in 1-2 shots? aim better
hel shotgun spread
lavish wyvern
it can already kill in 1-2 shots
bullshit
hexed vapor
1-shot is mega-rare, but it absolutely shouldn't be 1-shotting things, that would be insane.
lavish wyvern
it takes 3 shots maybe 4 when close range
deft kiln
But it doesn’t matter
hexed vapor
The ghost of sniper melee haunts us to this day.
obtuse surge
yeh
lavish wyvern
skill issue
bitch lemme put a curse on you too
deft kiln
Full stunning 16 is enough
velvet linden
can we bring back sniper melee
deft kiln
bitch lemme put a curse on you too
Can I have a curse
lavish wyvern
yes you can
deft kiln
Ty
hexed vapor
3-shot on two strikers is very consistent on HEL Shotty, though.
And that's really good if it lines up.,
deft kiln
Team I think the over stated hel shotgun needs more stats
hexed vapor
Give it that sweet sweet carbine treatment.
lavish wyvern
i want melee reskins
deft kiln
True
lavish wyvern
for the hammer
atomic escarp
double the pellet count''
lavish wyvern
NOW
obtuse surge
revert stagger buff
deft kiln
Yup
lavish wyvern
sexo
deft kiln
Make the game hard again
subtle vault
All I care about this rundown is the new helmet
lavish wyvern
i want new cosmetics too
i wonder if theres gonna be new ones
besides the rundown completion one
i always wanted the amongus mask
velvet linden
man i sure hope they dont run out of cosmetics this rundown
that would be really unfortunate
if everyone got duplicates
lavish wyvern
surely that cannot happen right?
velvet linden
(the joke is that they already have run out)
deft kiln
I can’t wait
lavish wyvern
its impossible
deft kiln
To get 8ball again
lavish wyvern
theres actually 1039 cosmetics in the game
deft kiln
?
velvet linden
they have maybe 6-10 left unuesd in the files
but thats not enough for every r4 level
west crow
Which one is the fog joke level that will continue to be remain untouched
You know the one that existed r4 onwards
deft kiln
You know the one that existed r4 onwards
I believe it was r7d1
velvet linden
r4b3 is the uplink terminal one
deft kiln
Mb mb.
velvet linden
very forgettable
lavish wyvern
i hope they had time to make new things
velvet linden
like every other data center level
deft kiln
i hope they had time to make new things
8 ball pallet
lavish wyvern
😔
wary olive
Which one is the fog joke level that will continue to be remain untouched
R5B2? Spitters and fog in lab tile
obtuse surge
half hornet
R4EX: Wesley
wary olive
He named himself after the whole rundown extension?
velvet linden
no they named it after him
wary olive
🤯
last gust
Knife removal
what did knife ever do to you 🔪
frail horizon
he was too cool
narrow gulch
RUNDOWN 4 LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
velvet linden
nah
deft kiln
what did knife ever do to you 🔪
Tbh I just don’t like it’s design
The stealth bonus I think is stupid
velvet linden
it really needs the backstabber bonus to really shine
last gust
stupid irrelevant or stupid degenerate?
velvet linden
yes
deft kiln
stupid irrelevant or stupid degenerate?
When you do double kills and fast clear but controlled
It just doesn’t help you
And slow steal thing with it to make fun use of stealth bonus is a tad tedious
Stealth bonus would be better on spear
Like it also has reduced rng on long ranges
last gust
it can be nice, but I wouldn't say it's pivotal
deft kiln
But idk who slow stealth’s with the knife
last gust
stealth giant occi does a surprising chunk of damage
deft kiln
Yeah
last gust
But idk who slow stealth’s with the knife
agreed
velvet linden
stealth giant occi does a surprising chunk of damage
surprisingly low
deft kiln
But I think you should get that dmg from like a 4X headshot muilt on it
hexed vapor
Low noise would be nice if it actually did something of value, ngl.
deft kiln
Knife getting the ability to occi strikers would be cool
Even though knife tap is the worst thing in the world
Knife design sucks that is all I be saying.
fresh bronze
but its fun
velvet linden
but its fun
*ny how bad it is
last gust
surprisingly low
~50 damage
narrow gulch
still less than hammer and cant be done mid combat
fresh bronze
*ny how bad it is
fun is all that matters if you aint sweatin
last gust
Knife getting the ability to occi strikers would be cool
why would you need to tap? it charges basically instantly
velvet linden
fun is all that matters if you aint sweatin
please help i am greasy and i dont know how to stop
deft kiln
still less than hammer and cant be done mid combat
Makes the giant stealth more feasible with hammer knife though
deft kiln
why would you need to tap? it charges basically instantly
Honestly you don’t
narrow gulch
true but I could also just solo the giant with hammer
fresh bronze
please help i am greasy and i dont know how to stop
its to late your a gtfo player
velvet linden
its to late your a gtfo player
no i quit
fresh bronze
just dont move on to league
deft kiln
why would you need to tap? it charges basically instantly
Knife has no stam cost on charge
I understand
But knife also has the most garbage tap in the game
Like if I tap knife out of habit
I might as well be standing still
I don’t like buttons that have no purpose
fresh bronze
bro if you tap knife to kill a striker its literally death by 1000 cuts
last gust
But knife also has the most garbage tap in the game
this feels like a playstyle adjustment thing
deft kiln
this feels like a playstyle adjustment thing
Yeah probably
But still it is game mechanic that just never interacts with knife
last gust
you can also get a pretty meaningful stagger off a half-charge with a kill shortly thereafter
deft kiln
100%
hexed vapor
I mean, that's fair.
The melee weapons, by virtue of being different, might somewhat invalidate certain mechanics.
last gust
But still it is game mechanic that just never interacts with knife
there's stuff like hel revo headshot into knife chip, if you're looking for a use for it
velvet linden
That is actually not bad
dont let them fool you
deft kiln
Knife tap should still do more
velvet linden
its the same as spear tap
deft kiln
And it would if it had 4X headshot instead of stealth bonus
fresh bronze
when r4 drops its gonna be knife only until the levels start getting a lot of giants in sleeper rooms
velvet linden
skill issue
last gust
That is actually not bad
actually it might fall a tiny bit short, I'll have to check in game
fresh bronze
nothing is quite as fun as being a trio of dumbasses with knifes trying to kill one giant with melee
deft kiln
i just wish tap could hit crouching stricker more often
velvet linden
actually it might fall a tiny bit short, I'll have to check in game
it does
deft kiln
LOL
hexed vapor
when r4 drops its gonna be knife only until the levels start getting a lot of gi...
Well this certainly won't take long.
deft kiln
0.19 damage off
is this with back dmg
velvet linden
is this with back dmg
oh no
last gust
is this with back dmg
base is 2, no multis
fresh bronze
Well this certainly won't take long.
it never do because levels where knife isnt a detriment only take 30 minutes to clear max with knife
velvet linden
yea you could get it with back damage
hexed vapor
it never do because levels where knife isnt a detriment only take 30 minutes to ...
You can just clear that fast w/ hammer, tho.
velvet linden
me when i run into a swarm so i can knife the one sleeper i headshot in the back, get licked 3 times and die
last gust
You can just clear that fast w/ hammer, tho.
Not true
fresh bronze
You can just clear that fast w/ hammer, tho.
rooms of smalls get cleared way faster with knife if your even decent with knife
velvet linden
you could combo with dmr if you wanted
then you wouldnt have to go for the back
but then you would have to use dmr
hexed vapor
Not true
Absolutely true. Clusters just aren't large enough on average for knife to do much extra.
last gust
Absolutely true. Clusters just aren't large enough on average for knife to do m...
"on average" isn't really what I'd think of as clear rate
deft kiln
tbh knife giving a 1.1% speed boost would be cool
fresh bronze
man i beg to differ i swear to christ every time i play this game rooms of sleepers spawn all in one corner right beside the door and nowhere else
real moss
man i beg to differ i swear to christ every time i play this game rooms of sleep...
That's unlucky I guess
last gust
and none of this is to say that knife is meta or whatever
fresh bronze
That's unlucky I guess
yeah prob, when it comes to shit like this rng never works in my favor
hexed vapor
R3C1 and R7C2 are the only levels I can think of rn where knife is likely to have an edge.
velvet linden
yeah prob, when it comes to shit like this rng never works in my favor
don't worry, no one believed that
last gust
like, I bring it on A-C tier stuff, levels where there aren't a lot of bigs
fallow wasp
I still crave the punch through spear
real moss
yeah prob, when it comes to shit like this rng never works in my favor
You'll love R4 😏
velvet linden
knife tap is fine
stfu
hexed vapor
And if you're just W-keying with knife, at some point the strat just devolves to "just wake it up, lol"
fresh bronze
don't worry, no one believed that
just play a round of any game with some luck factor i garuntee the outcome
last gust
R3C1 and R7C2 are the only levels I can think of rn where knife is likely to hav...
and I guess bring hammer to absolutely every other level?
velvet linden
just play a round of any game with some luck factor i garuntee the outcome
what does this mean
hexed vapor
and I guess bring hammer to absolutely every other level?
You don't have to, but... there's no much value in the other options.
last gust
like, I'm not saying knife is on par with hammer or anything crazy like that
deft kiln
And if you're just W-keying with knife, at some point the strat just devolves to...
this is the problem with knife. you it doesnt do controlled stealth faster
fresh bronze
what does this mean
meant wanna not just as the first word
last gust
hammer's busted
fallow wasp
I think they mean their luck is consistently shit. As shit as possible
velvet linden
meant wanna not just as the first word
now im even more confused
last gust
I think in general they didn't get the melee balance right
fresh bronze
now im even more confused
rip cant help ya then
velvet linden
thats ok
hexed vapor
this is the problem with knife. you it doesnt do controlled stealth faster
Needing headshots is also a big issue, imo.
Can kind of make it pretty annoying to W-key into things
because if they wake up and then attack facing away, they become slow to kill.
fresh bronze
I think in general they didn't get the melee balance right
tbf the guns aint even balanced right but melee is def extremely scewed in favor of hammer
hexed vapor
Also, no forced aggro, lol.
deft kiln
tbf the guns aint even balanced right but melee is def extremely scewed in favor...
hammer just has insane stagger
for no reason
velvet linden
its developer intention
deft kiln
spear uses stam to charge for no reason
fresh bronze
its also really good damage output for not much downside to speed
last gust
because if they wake up and then attack facing away, they become slow to kill.
This stuff is all manageable with practice
fallow wasp
Would hammer not just be better with the same practice though?
hexed vapor
^
last gust
hammer can't kill consecutively at knife's charge rate
hexed vapor
Force aggro at literally every opportunity, rush down every enemy that's isolated, etc.
fallow wasp
By all means play with whatever melee/guns you want
Just a shame that most options aren’t as robust as the hammer
fresh bronze
hammer can't kill consecutively at knife's charge rate
yeah which is the only reason knife has its own niche, its literally a small killing machine if you can aim it right other than that its kinda suicide
last gust
I think this is basically the only area where any melee has relevant comparative advantage v hammer at all at the moment
velvet linden
By all means play with whatever melee/guns you want
false, if you use hel shotgun i will find you
deft kiln
Just a shame that most options aren’t as robust as the hammer
i just wish all the melees had something
like if bat could break down small doors with a full charge
would be massive
hexed vapor
yeah which is the only reason knife has its own niche, its literally a small kil...
You literally need clusters of 3+ enemies for that value.
deft kiln
speed runners would stay winning
fallow wasp
Exactly why I want spear to have punch through again
But if anything would one shot doors it would likely be hammer again anyways
deft kiln
na spear doesnt need punch through
spear needs to not cost .5 stam on charge
.1 would make it very good
granite token
The most awaited here is the legendary R4E1 Secondary
fresh bronze
You literally need clusters of 3+ enemies for that value.
it happens enough to make it a fun weapon to choose for clearing rooms of smalls
fallow wasp
Not being able to run while charging is quite debilitating for what upsides you get
fresh bronze
who said it was good bro
deft kiln
Not being able to run while charging is quite debilitating for what upsides you ...
if you got good dmg with no stam ssues it would be fine
hexed vapor
That's kind of what clear speed implies.
deft kiln
the issue is it doesnt have meaningful dmg
last gust
Not good.
Hammer can solo kill giant chargers without any attention to timing. Of course knife's not good.
deft kiln
and it has stam issues
fallow wasp
I would accept a higher damage on spear to be honest
fresh bronze
no one said it has good clear speed, it is literally only good at killing smalls and thats all people have said
fallow wasp
As much as I love it, hammer is just more consistent in use
deft kiln
I would accept a higher damage on spear to be honest
trust the stam issue is more pressing
fresh bronze
being good at killing the smallest enemy in the game doesnt mean its a good weapon
hallow lark
The most awaited here is the legendary R4E1 Secondary
Huh? What’s legendary on that one?
last gust
I can think of situations where I appreciate knife speed-clears in earlier levels, often solo or when I just cbf'd pretending that rooms of smalls exist. It's not much but it's the tiny part of melee landscape that isn't in hammer's shadow.
fresh bronze
its just fun and thats about all there is to it
hexed vapor
Hammer can solo kill giant chargers without any attention to timing. Of course k...
I'm still not sure what this refers to, since bat and spear are the same way to my knowledge, and there are methods that work for all melees.
fresh bronze
I can think of situations where I appreciate knife speed-clears in earlier level...
solo with bots if you run knife the bots will pretty much handle the giants alone in most cases
deft kiln
its just fun and thats about all there is to it
the thing is it could be more fun if the design it slightly better
fresh bronze
or the bots will all get beybladed and turned to meatpaste in 5 seconds
last gust
I'm still not sure what this refers to, since bat and spear are the same way to ...
okay, I missed permastaggering and limb poking respectively I guess
fresh bronze
depends on how the game is feeling
last gust
it's still really stupid
giants should be able to recover from a limb stagger and get a lick in before hammer fully charges
hexed vapor
It's not a hammer thing.
fresh bronze
the thing is it could be more fun if the design it slightly better
yeah the knifes use is literally worthless which kinda sucks
deft kiln
invisible head moment
hexed vapor
giants should be able to recover from a limb stagger and get a lick in before ha...
They will scream first if you do not stop them.
deft kiln
yeah the knifes use is literally worthless which kinda sucks
headshot 4x
instead of stealth x2
would be so good
hexed vapor
And the stamina cost of hammering giants is quite significant, it's risky to do if you're not in a true 1v1
deft kiln
And the stamina cost of hammering giants is quite significant, it's risky to do ...
this is why spear shouldnt have a stam cost
like you are already slow with it
fresh bronze
honestly just giving it some more limb damage to awake targets would also make it not completely worthless against giants
prisma zodiac
false, if you use hel shotgun i will find you
Pls come find me 
deft kiln
honestly just giving it some more limb damage to awake targets would also make i...
making knife not break limbs
would make it slightly better
lol
fresh bronze
hitting for 4 damage makes knife fighting a giant so damn goofy
hexed vapor
Okay, I just killed 6 enemies in maybe 10 seconds on Hammer, I feel thoroughly convinced that knife hasn't cornered the market.
Which I already knew, but...
velvet linden
Pls come find me <:hatuwu:989786797166960700>
i am delivering plastic explosives via your plumbing
fresh bronze
bro ray you really dont understand the word fun
fresh bronze
knife being good at smalls dont mean hammer is bad at it man
prisma zodiac
knife still excells at it if you speed aggro
but when do you do that
Super rarely in normal runs when theres lots of small lined up
and speedruns
breh
fresh bronze
idk how the stealth bonus even works and honestly i think its completely worthless
i sprint basically always with knife
hexed vapor
knife being good at smalls dont mean hammer is bad at it man
You and fnr seemed pretty adamant that hammer is significantly slower, but if you want to back off of that idea, sure.
deft kiln
idk how the stealth bonus even works and honestly i think its completely worthle...
if the sleeper is red on bio
no stealth bonus
fresh bronze
so yeah i never get stealth bonus
fresh bronze
You and fnr seemed pretty adamant that hammer is significantly slower, but if yo...
in the very very very specific situations it is undeniably slower
other than that its just objectively worse
last gust
Okay, I just killed 6 enemies in maybe 10 seconds on Hammer, I feel thoroughly c...
I'm not sure we're committed enough to this whole argument to try to pin down "maybe 10 seconds" into something precise
tough atlas
I'm curious of how easy it is to clear a zone that has only/mainly giants (like R4B1) with 4 knives
last gust
but knife will do that in under 5 seconds, and at zero stamina cost
tough atlas
I legit never tried knife because hammer works so well
fresh bronze
I'm curious of how easy it is to clear a zone that has only/mainly giants (like ...
sounds like a fun challenge to try 2 or 3 times but never again
last gust
maybe that's more than you need, and that's fair enough
fresh bronze
knife takes a bit of practice but its def the easiest weapon to learn to multikill with
still better off just learning hammer tho
i wish there was a map like r7c3 that wasnt damn near entirely giants but had similar concepts
hexed vapor
but knife will do that in under 5 seconds, and at zero stamina cost
My problem is that the main slowdown in stealth is sleepers that you can't sync in the moment glowing in bad arrangements for rushing to kill them.
fresh bronze
would be so fun to run around clearing blood doors and shit with knife
hexed vapor
But if hammer can undercut that time for stuff near you, then it doesn't seem to me like there's much benefit.
last gust
My problem is that the main slowdown in stealth is sleepers that you can't sync ...
hm, I think the difference might be in that you're still thinking of 6 sleepers in terms of "stealth"
fresh bronze
My problem is that the main slowdown in stealth is sleepers that you can't sync ...
dont really have to pay attention with knife, just stab them in the head and if you dont miss your swings you will likely not have any problems
last gust
you'd pretty much walk in with knife and shank 3 or so sleepers before the rest stir
fresh bronze
you could easily walk through groups of 5 or more without waking a room and if you sprint around 5 and up would start being problematic to wake up instantly
hexed vapor
I think that's just factually inaccurate.
Even when I had this argument in R6, the person I was arguing with seemed to agree that you'd need at least 1 sync per large cluster.
prisma zodiac
well it depends on how close they are
fresh bronze
its really not that bad if you kill one and it wakes another just kill it first if you wake them all up then you kinda fucked
last gust
Even when I had this argument in R6, the person I was arguing with seemed to agr...
I mean, it can get messy, but basically I disagree with this
fresh bronze
but gonna be real if your running knife waking a room is meaningless because your likely on a a or b tier map
prisma zodiac
you can kill an enemy per charge
for hammer you charge to the occi charge point in a similar time frame, but you gotta maneuever more and manage to hit it
hexed vapor
If you do not control the glow order, which you cannot, you just will get patterns that prevent you from rushing too hard.
last gust
the time it takes for the typical striker to stir is enough to shank 2-3 enemies
prisma zodiac
eh
Youll just rush through 1-2 asleep and kill the 3rd rhats woken up usually
fresh bronze
If you do not control the glow order, which you cannot, you just *will* get patt...
never stopped me personally kek
i wake up rooms more with hammer than knife even tho i rush with knife more
well as long as we dont got one screamy boi who goes pissy the moment he wakes up
hexed vapor
That just sounds like you aren't much of a hammer player to me.
fresh bronze
i dont wake up rooms much at all
usually when i do its because some prick across the room woke up that i had no clue was even there
when your a dumbass running around with a knife that same prick is kinda meaningless
last gust
And the stamina cost of hammering giants is quite significant, it's risky to do ...
hm, how do you feel about hammer balance, btw?
hexed vapor
Playing with it a bit more, seems kind of difficult to either chain up wakes or avoid waking up 3+ things at the same time w/out also just going slowly.
Which has been roughly my experience whenever I've played knife.
last gust
honestly I think you might be overdoing the stealth aspect
hexed vapor
I'm underdoing it as hard as possible, I'm literally waking the room or taking damage every other attempt at a 4-5 group.
last gust
I'm more likely to just walk in and off three of them with the small window of stealth you get from them taking time to react to your movements
then if there's a mess to clean up I'll just hold shift
hexed vapor
I don't where this window is. They hear you at over 5m away, and you have to close that distance and then deal with every single enemy that is in range of you.
last gust
I guess sometimes I'll be a little quiet about actually first approaching the group?
depends really
but I'm not trying to sync them so that one doesn't get soft alerted by another dying or anything
kind swan
last gust
strikers also have this really fun property where they'll extend their head forward for a lick
which is perfect for running at them and planting the knife in their face
kind swan
hexed vapor
Okay, apparently the issue is flashlighting in-front of me.
last gust
other thing to note is that knife has a lot of active frames
which makes arcing the knife useful for dealing with hitbox jank
pliant pasture
last gust
sometimes you're more likely to hit a shoulder or something with a direct stab, where an arc shot will clip into the side of the head
last gust
each to their own
kind swan
Knife playstyle?
kind swan
I remember liking knife until I figured out bat can kill smalls just as fast when the weapons released
last gust
eh, bat's longer charge is meaningful
and the stamina drain
and I haven't put the time into manipulating the hitbox so I'm not sure, but I don't know that I could get the same jank mitigation as with knife
kind swan
eh, bat's longer charge is meaningful
I look more at half charging heads next to still being able to deal with Giants
last gust
if I feel like I need to deal with giants with melee, I'm not bringing knife or bat
last gust
or if I need to melee scouts and I'm not afforded time to style on them with occi kills
fresh bronze
density like this is literally the only time knife thrives in my opinion but you really dont need to worry about timings for groups of 4 / 5 and honestly groups bigger almost never happen
frail horizon
and in other times it's basically an equal
fresh bronze
if last boy was further i woulda sprinted but wasnt even necessary
same time tho if they where further apart then knife wouldnt even be better
i think a big thing tho is prioritizing shooters due to the near instant attacks they do
fresh bronze
and in other times it's basically an equal
equal or way more often then not knife is just completely worse, i saw a big while looking for a decent clump and was just like "nah"
frail horizon
its possible
hexed vapor
I feel like this gets a lot harder immediately if the back striker glows before you get there.
Or even if two of them glow before you get there.
frail horizon
its pretty hard but you can melee a giant with knife
fresh bronze
all but the one in the back was glowing before i got the first one and after first kill the one in back lit up
its honestly just about routing the enemies based on personal priority and takes a bit of practice
hexed vapor
all but the one in the back was glowing before i got the first one and after fir...
They glow from you stand walking, but if you don't have that luxery, they'll just jump to pulse.
fresh bronze
ive found it is only inconsistent with 6 or more atleast taking no damage
fresh bronze
i dont really feel like playing the game just to look for large groups of smalls
last gust
mostly though it was 4 smalls that were a bit conveniently laid out
fresh bronze
i could have but im rusty as hell, i aint played gtfo since launch day of r3 and only fps ive played was 2009 mw2 coop missions kek
yeah if the one in the back was a bit more angsty it would have been a different story
or if it was a shooter
i probably wouldve routed differently tho
fresh bronze
its not about value, its just a different playstyle
with very different mechanics to focus on
hexed vapor
I'm always gonna be on that value.
last gust
I just don't see the value
for 4 smalls the value is pretty minimal
fresh bronze
i find knife playstyle way more fun to my autism fueled brain that loves to always be moving
but at the same time i never run knife because its literally worthless in any level with giants
pliant pasture
as long as you are okay with the opportunity cost of watching your allies deal with the other handful of enemy types, go with god
last gust
but also, it's a pretty specific niche, I haven't been claiming otherwise
like, as rayalot said, game's too easy
so I mostly play solos or duos
fresh bronze
yeah but knife is literally worthless against giants or chargers and they are just to common in later stages
last gust
if I'm in a later level duo then I'm probably only allowed to bring hammer
if I'm in an earlier level solo or duo where I don't need hammer for a range of things then being able to pretend rooms full of smalls don't exist is convenient
hexed vapor
For playstyle, I'm always going to prefer quickly coming up with an optimized plan to clear an area and then executing it as efficiently as possible.
fresh bronze
or you dont need guns
pliant pasture
plenty of ammo
thats how i feel
fresh bronze
me and my buddy did melee only for half of r1 and r2 when they released for "fun"
hexed vapor
The idea of just bumping into things and killing them as you bump into them is eugh
last gust
For playstyle, I'm always going to prefer quickly coming up with an optimized pl...
it really has to be dense rooms with scouts for me to care anymore
or something else that you're really not meant to wake up at all
fresh bronze
For playstyle, I'm always going to prefer quickly coming up with an optimized pl...
the problem is there is just no situation as a long time player where that challenge is presented
hexed vapor
Just bumping into stuff doesn't feel very far off of "just wake it up, lol" to me.
last gust
I think "bumping into stuff" is a little bit far
fresh bronze
because knife playstyle is just way more active when it comes to the not giving a shit anymore
last gust
like, there's a satisfaction to knife dexterity
hexed vapor
I think "bumping into stuff" is a little bit far
That is literally what it is.
If I wanted dexterity, I'd play a combat level.
fresh bronze
nah i dont think thats what it is
there is a skill to it and a logical process behind actions you should take, its just there really isnt enough situations that force you to need those things
but same can be said about hammer
i pretty much play the same with hammer as i do knife just with a bit more planning
last gust
I don't know, I think the usual bucket of smalls that fill the average stealth zone are kinda just window dressing
hexed vapor
I just don't see it. W/ hammer I do quick checks for layout and the order I should do things, with knife, if I actually want speed, I just walk around and react to stuff around me.
last gust
I don't really want it to take longer to kill them or for it to be some enticing stealth challenge anymore
fresh bronze
yeah smalls aint a challenge esspecially in early levels
they dont hurt that bad when you fuck up either
there just isnt enough incentive to be careful
when your a new player there is hella incentive but as a long time player 6 smalls is just another day
last gust
I just don't see it. W/ hammer I do quick checks for layout and the order I sho...
tbh half the time with hammer I'm just going to get a bit of value from stealth, then wake shit and circle clear
last gust
I wouldn't say bad
hexed vapor
'cept Spear
last gust
and sure, if there's a cluster of 6 or so I'm going to want to think about how to pick it apart somewhat
but like, I don't think that's all that rewarding anymore?
fresh bronze
ima be real tho if you really want to thrive with knife just be dedicated low hp with knife, you can basically run with no concern for your own safety
hexed vapor
I'm not usually thinking about it for safety, I'm thinking about it for clearing as fast as possible.
last gust
I don't know, I've put my fair share of time into hammer
fresh bronze
when i play im basically always 20% hp cus you dont really need more for anything but hard alarms
fresh bronze
i usually play a trio sometimes rotating in people who are worse than bots for early levels
but generally we dont even use medipacks for alarms that aint class 4 or up
you def need health for a duo tho so thats completely fair
also if i aint made it clear im only talking early levels where id actually run knife. you kinda need hp for levels in d tier and e tier due to the density of alarms
teal jasper
I'd like to ask what is this called?
daring pilot
father
glad river
tank ||dad||
kind surge
tank ||dad||
olive shoal
Hydra
daring pilot
chonker
glad river
big Garfield moment
atomic escarp
@deft kiln embed perms
astral ferry
you're gonna regret this
atomic escarp
probably
astral ferry
stop now before you reach quadruple digits in hour count
atomic escarp
i should
atomic escarp
yes
deft kiln
we wont duo yet
deft kiln
did we
atomic escarp
bruh
astral ferry
yes i watched it
atomic escarp
crazy
deft kiln
i cant belive you left the only other assuie player
atomic escarp
what
narrow gulch
im so sad I cant flex having a low hour count anymore ngl
deft kiln
im so sad I cant flex having a low hour count anymore ngl
chill we did it
we clear the class L
pre nerf
orchid kindle
I'd like to ask what is this called?
POV: You're the milk that your dad's been chasing for the last 20-30 years
tough atlas
By the way #lfg-north-america message
what I talked about before happened again (and I'm sure other times too)
There's someone going around hacking/cheating with someone else's nickname
real moss
There's someone going around hacking/cheating with someone else's nickname
Some just deserve to be flayed in public
tough atlas
Agree
real moss
people just have to be dicks, eh?
Yet they try to lose them. The world is truly going to shits
long stag
why few players have color nick?
plush basin
if you mean in game they are using a mod to do it
long stag
if you mean in game they are using a mod to do it
ah, it`s noobomoders?
baddest players
plush basin
🤷 its people using mods to give themselves a coloured name
might be the only one they are using
plush basin
Yep there are more idiots these days that do want to run mods in discord lobbies that ruin the experience
plush basin
you'll get there with time
long stag
@nocturne flax ?
west crow
@nocturne flax
nocturne flax
@nocturne flax
orchid kindle
wait a minute
twin dirge
r/holup
kind swan
@nocturne flax
long stag
@nocturne flax BLACK_DRAGON The Silent On
winter wharf
was this image posted anywhere other than steam news?
daring pilot
not that ik
winter wharf
alt4e1, tiles already look different
winter wharf
not that ik
kinda missed opportunity tbh
winter wharf
that would make sense
never really consider that sort of stuff considering how much I've played the game
daring pilot
Yeah i had the same thought like “ where dad “ and then realized it’s technically nee for R4
also i bet at least E1 is gonna have Cscouts
Probably some other levels too like C3
nocturne flax
Cuernos gonna traumatize the new generation of gtfo players
daring pilot
me when Horned
winter wharf
if they take away shadow scouts from e1 to replace them with charger scouts
somebody is going to get hurt by me
daring pilot
Not take away
I kinda hoped they’d be mixed ngl
Idk i’ve never actually played R4E1 tho :)
hexed vapor
Makes 0 sense for the level.
winter wharf
this was the alt 3 image from steam announcement
daring pilot
Makes 0 sense for the level.
Just curious, why? Not arguing, just want to know
winter wharf
I have played r4e1 a fair amount, and the thing around scouts is
-It's all shadow scouts
-Scout waves are all shadows
it's part of the missions identity, so to speak
hexed vapor
Just curious, why? Not arguing, just want to know
There are chargers in one zone in OG, and literally nowhere else. Shadows are everywhere in comparison.
daring pilot
ahhh ok that makes sense then
hexed vapor
I wouldn't mind them putting c-scouts in that one code 5 zone, but otherwise hell no.
winter wharf
and the charger zone is behind bulkhead door
well, behind the optional objective rather
winter wharf
please tell me they are not replacing cool bulkhead doors with the crummy OLED display sector doors, PLEASE
hexed vapor
That's just Main?
winter wharf
I mean tbf there are some similarities between tilesets with r5e1 and r4e1, and both have hanging fog
daring pilot
i was confusing the stealth zone with all the charger giants and the tank
Ig my brain went tank = downwards
winter wharf
ah yeah, the dark zone with the stealth scan before hub in r5e1
daring pilot
that stealth section is a little scary ;-;
winter wharf
"It's not stealth :) it's cell skip"
hexed vapor
R5E1's was p awesome, though.
daring pilot
fyi I haven’t played any of this, just binged old gtfo level gameplays before we found out ab alts
winter wharf
what are the chances, hypothetically speaking, that those zones require keycards from disinfect zone so you can't do cell skip anymore
daring pilot
honestly i think it’d be cool if they kept it
hexed vapor
I hope not, I feel like cell skip was a harder route.
winter wharf
they should absolutely keep cell skip, it's fun and replayable
daring pilot
And funni for speedruns
winter wharf
and to be honest, I think cell skip is more testing/more intense than r4e1
hexed vapor
It's way shorter than the normal route, but I genuinely would say it's the harder strategy.
R5E1 is not that crazy of a level, it's just lengthy.
winter wharf
yeah, cell skip is harder
you skip out on doing a class 3 alarm and a massive side quest, but you're also losing out on resources and disinfection
and you most likely also lose the ability to stealth through those 2 funny zones
hexed vapor
At best, you almost always have to fight tank and a fuckton of chargers.
winter wharf
yeep
hexed vapor
The stealth sections there have the intended consequences of making your life way harder if you fight through them.
winter wharf
oh my god will they fix the funny terminal door
hexed vapor
I feel like that might have been intended.
winter wharf
3 tanks is fine no need for immortal
nocturne flax
no difference whatsoever
nocturne flax
and it would make no sense since its suppose to be an r7 thing
daring pilot
mmm k
hexed vapor
Tbh I think changes in R3 make a lot more sense than R4-R5.
R4-R5 are sort of already in an era where they have all they need.
nocturne flax
If you want to make r5d2 extract harder add apmom alongside the tanks
hexed vapor
R1-R3 are the boring rundowns.
nocturne flax
you cannot push those 3 tanks if you have mom covering them
nocturne flax
it doesnt matter
even with sniper back then you would melt everything
tanks by themselves are easy
the point its that enemy composition gotta be better to penalize you for been cocky in the extract
wary olive
and the charger zone is behind bulkhead door
Aren't there chargers in gen zone/room
winter wharf
ah yea that room
wary olive
Are there normal chargers there or all bigs I don't remember
hexed vapor
All bigs
wary olive
Would adding pmom even make a difference for r5d2 extract?
I remember being able to extract while being able to hold them hostage down the stairs and not even for that long
winter wharf
you could just run past them all
well, run away from them
it shouldn't do anything in that case, the idea was that it'd make it much harder to fight and kill that stuff
you know, r5 added the greatest things that everyone loves in the game
wary olive
Unless you had an extract biased tank and mom spawn 😎
winter wharf
I think they spawn when reactor ends, and the door to extract is under lockdown so you can't enter it mid reactor
so it should always spawn behind, but I could be talking shit right now
nocturne flax
They do spawn at the end
always behind
and extract door its always lock until you get the warden text spam saying reactor will blow up
winter wharf
r5 added charger scouts and cluster sustains, which everyone loves
hexed vapor
Added boosters, horrible rundown, 2/10
winter wharf
oh my god they did add boosters
which means they added lockers which only have artefacts in them
which I despise
wary olive
People love s clusters?
winter wharf
yeah everybody loves sustain clusters
wary olive
Will be sad if they nerf the class 13 in r5d2 :/
winter wharf
class 9+2+2
funny diminished scan
every mission with that tile in it is funny, r4d2, r5d2, r6d4
azure sedge
🧀
deft kiln
R6c2 extreme get to the cheese spot
Hey guys ik this really cool spot
kind swan
proceeds to miss all sniper shots in the next section
I have 100% accuracy. Yall just don't know what I'm aiming for
daring pilot
The moon
deft kiln
I am trying to intimidate sleepers
daring pilot
Solace is thinking with portals
deft kiln
Warning shots and such
kind swan
narrow gulch
chill we did it
I saw the clear post, wheat was telling me about the crazy shit lol
I do not understand why you guys wanted to finish that lmao
hexed vapor
chill we did it
Did you kite, tho?
tough atlas
Tanks would be much harder in a way more claustrophobical environment
But I dont think there would be an easy way of forcing players to fight them in basically a corridor, right?
deft kiln
Did you kite, tho?
Not really only secondary waves
hexed vapor
Sick
deft kiln
Only cause they spawned behind us twice
hexed vapor
That's not even kiting, lol.
deft kiln
But I dont think there would be an easy way of forcing players to fight them in ...
Respawns rooms deep fog and error waves do a great job forcing playing into places
tough atlas
It isn't a contrived idea to try to force the players in uncomfortable situations and I'm a bit surprised they never did anything like that regarding the tank
Tank Barracks do not count
narrow gulch
Thunderdome
tough atlas
But I'll say that R6D3 had that mechanic that was very nice
tough atlas
Thunderdome
While I still have PTSD about R5C2PE that's not really what I mean
narrow gulch
Ah alr
tough atlas
It's uncomfortable because you're getting swarmed by tanks
narrow gulch
Idk, I think tank is better used exactly like the name
tough atlas
what part of r6d3
The part were you get 1 person to sneak to terminal and 3 bonk shit in the back hoping guy n1 doesn't wake up tank barracks
tough atlas
As a support for the wave
Sure but that can be said of any "bosses"
just put Mother/Tank/Larry/Pablo whatever in a wave and it'll spice things up
narrow gulch
I'd say different from mom
I don't think tank should be the most "dangerous" or high priority target in a fight
Which in game rn
Every situation it's in is that
It just kinda shows up on its own with maybe a few other things
And it's just kinda lame
tough atlas
True
tough atlas
Yeah I guess we all agree on that
astral ferry
still waiting for double mom fight in vanilla
double tank fight is pretty 💤
deft kiln
still waiting for double mom fight in vanilla
double tank fight is pretty 💤
4 mom 8 tank two Pablo 10 snatchers
New jishdown level????
narrow gulch
.
chrome rivet
still waiting for double mom fight in vanilla
double tank fight is pretty 💤
I think we just need a new mini boss
deft kiln
I think we just need a new mini boss
Big snatcher
chrome rivet
Snatch’s the whole team
olive shoal
it'd just snatch one player then immediately go to melee everyone else
pliant pasture
Giant Charger Snatcher
pliant bear
Big snatcher
Ah yes, big chungus.
tough badger
Tank should be used with big chargers more
pliant pasture
We need a new fodder
hey have you played a game definitely unrelated to GTFO called Redemption? i think the side stepper from that game would be a huge add
honestly a tank and a couple of any giant enemies is a spicy mix. except shooters, obv
tough atlas
honestly a tank and a couple of any giant enemies is a spicy mix. except shooter...
Did you see that video with all the unused audio Dark Emperor posted?
I really want to know what happened to most of their ideas for new enemies that were scrapped
tough atlas
sent you to DM
pliant pasture
sick i will play it during my next work call
teal jasper
POV: You're the milk that your dad's been chasing for the last 20-30 years
That… terrifying
hallow lark
What was R4 OG about?
hexed vapor
You get stuff.
velvet flower
hexed vapor
Error alarm + OSIP + Overload
hallow lark
You get stuff.
What stuff? Like what was introduced in original R4?
hexed vapor
What stuff? Like what was introduced in original R4?
You get and do things.
Many things.
obtuse surge
layers
winter wharf
You go on like 17 fetch quests
obtuse surge
sustain scans
hallow lark
….. you’re awfully very vague
hexed vapor
It's peak GTFO
hallow lark
That’s not like you
obtuse surge
NEW BOSS
hallow lark
Ah…