#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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winter wharf
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Therein lies the problem, you are playing the HARDCORE game that's supposed to punish you foe mistakes with other people
It defeats the entire point, because they can cover for your mistakes and you will NEVER improve

hexed vapor
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I feel like you might be misreading something, or I don't get the joke.

deft kiln
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This is a hardcore and elite joke for only the funniest of funny bros

hexed vapor
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Damn, I'm not elitist enough.

deft kiln
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You wouldn’t get it 😔

winter wharf
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maybe r4d1 solo should go on my list of things to do

kind swan
hexed vapor
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I think I saw someone do it w/ HEL Revo + Shotgun, and I've been up to the blood door, so it's definitely surprisingly manageable.

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Probably a harder R3A3.

winter wharf
hallow lark
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Reminds me of our R7D1 Class X shadow alarm

winter wharf
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Other people have done it with burst cannon

hexed vapor
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Oh shit, Wyvern's exposing me for insta-kill.

hallow lark
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Wait what? Insta-kill?

hexed vapor
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The guy I'm talking about there had insta-kill.

hallow lark
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Oh. Someone cheated?

hexed vapor
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You could theoretically actually solo the R4D1 reactor waves, and people have done it, but the person I'm referencing was just cheating and trying to pass it off as a "diversion."

hallow lark
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Sorry, my bad.

winter wharf
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What a lad

hallow lark
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I didn’t read the whole thing.

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I thought you were talking about how someone can solo the entire duration of the alarm

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The only memory of that is our D1 Class X shadow alarm where I went absolute ape while you were doing the scans

hexed vapor
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I'm just poking fun, all g

hallow lark
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Oh XD

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Then I’m sorry about that earlier…. I ruined the fun

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I have no humor

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I’m a bot

hexed vapor
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Same, sometimes.

hallow lark
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I would compare that with the same odds of people not wanting to play with a deaf player XD (in a certain game I know)

wide lion
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important mission

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stay afk)

pliant pasture
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oh thats a good spot, gotta try it next time

wide lion
pliant pasture
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holy cannoli thats a Much Better spot, i had always used up the stairs just to the right using the big glass corner

wide lion
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have more)

pliant pasture
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hit me with em

obtuse cedar
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funny how these spots are just now surfacing.. considering they were common knowledge day 1 of r7

pliant pasture
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the trickle of new players has meant that institutional knowledge doesn't get flooded in like it used to

obtuse cedar
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everybody that has been there before the launch of r7 and experimented on tanks would have know these spots as it is sadly the same exploitable AI

pliant pasture
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indeed

obtuse cedar
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there is also the fact that a majority of the good players just don't play pubs

pliant pasture
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exactly, people get excellent at this game having a group of other dedicated players to learn from and practice with. so if it wasn't for the Discord chats, that institutional knowledge would get completely silo'ed

obtuse cedar
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except that a lot of the knowledge given is just not the best advise a lot of the time

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"pubs says the wildest shit"

pliant pasture
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ya, i am agreeing with you, the people left on pubs are the people with the wrong ideas/hard stuck.

obtuse cedar
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even in the chat you can see stupid advise

raven flare
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why so rude aaaa

obtuse cedar
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like using the pump shotgun to kill babies... when the sniper would kill to have the ability to delete a mom as fast as the pump shotgun 🙂

nocturne flax
hexed vapor
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It's also just a good idea to take it so that you can do both roles.

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I don't think that's a hot take.

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Hell, even for full team comps, if you stack 4 pump shotguns it doesn't really change the fact that you should have one of them on babies while the other 3 DPS.

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Unless you'd deny that pump shotty can kill babies at all, in which case I'd just say you're wrong.

obtuse cedar
raven flare
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sawed off n dmr

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n maybe rifle

obtuse cedar
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the correct play if you don't have a special that kills babies waves from birther is to delete the mom while 2 people uses their primaries to delete the babies.

boreal tendon
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which mom in the vanilla game is not alone

hexed vapor
# obtuse cedar every primary that isn't sawed-off shotgun work at killing babies. better to del...

I just disagree. You get a lot that are let through by Mains unless you have multiple people killing babies, and ideally you don't want multiple people killing babies if they otherwise have good boss DPS.

This is also only exacerbated by random teammates. Not only might you not have good baby killers, your teammates might be very bad at killing babies in general, in which case you probably want to overprepare.

deft kiln
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Probs

boreal tendon
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this map does not exist in any sane man's mind

deft kiln
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I am no sane man

obtuse cedar
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r4e1 4 mom room. learn to solo a mom 🙂

hexed vapor
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It's also, obviously, going to be based on priority. Pump shotgun is not going to be the first baby killer choice, but it will be a better option that some other weapons.

obtuse cedar
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funny. now it'S not among the best baby killer while yesterday it was. that is quite a fast turnaround from you

hexed vapor
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It is, though.

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Do you understand the difference between the statements?

obtuse cedar
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combat shotgun does a better job

hexed vapor
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Definitely disagree.

obtuse cedar
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hel revolver can do a better job then pump

hexed vapor
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Definitely disagree x2

obtuse cedar
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any automatic primary can do a better job then pump

hexed vapor
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Have you even tried it?

obtuse cedar
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no cause mom is always dead by that point when i use pump shotgun since i kill her faster then she finish birthing all her wave 🙂

hexed vapor
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Okay, so you're just talking out of your ass.

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You have literally no idea if pump shotgun can kill babies well or not.

obtuse cedar
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no the point is to show that it was a bad advise to go after the babies when you have a gun that delete the mom.

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if you fight 2 waves of babies. it is worst then 1 wave

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duh

hexed vapor
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Situationally, it can be. It's just not as high a priority as other options.

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Also, no? It super depends on the ammo you have access to.

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If you fight 2 waves of babies, but kill all of them, you're just under 0 pressure.

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Spawn kill all of them, specifically.

obtuse cedar
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if you kill the mom before she finish birthing 1 full wave.. then all that is generally left is 2 babies. such a diffcult job to kill. especially since you have your primary still full.. and that's from only 1 person killing babies with primary+ whatever special they run that isn'T sniper or hel rifle

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and they still have ammo in their guns

hexed vapor
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Bro, you just don't play the game.

deft kiln
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Burst cannon is the best baby killer

obtuse cedar
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true. people should just burst canon the babies. it will make all the other mom in the level not spawn any babies!

deft kiln
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20 bullets for 20 babies

hexed vapor
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That fact that you take such issue with a fairly straightforward take, and you seem to have no sense of how in-game encounters can go between various groups, I just don't feel like you're arguing from experience.

obtuse cedar
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the experience of carrying so many pub leads to iddentify how to make quick work of any problem before it become an issue with pubs

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it's like how people don't know you can kill a sleeping mom without her birthing a single baby

hexed vapor
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If you have shotgun, and you tell two pubs to kill babies, and they have HAR and HEL Gun...

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However, when you go to DPS the boss, the HAR instead decides to use PDW, and the HEL Gun doesn't shoot babies at all...

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Do you just DPS, or do you switch to solo killing babies w/ Shotgun?

obtuse cedar
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pdw is enough for you to kill the mom

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that is actually funny

worldly cargo
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🤨

hexed vapor
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You do not play the game, guy.

obtuse cedar
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the pump is spammable. and it can kill a mom without having to reload

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idk the pdw will be in the middle of reloading and the mom is dead

worldly cargo
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alright but the remaining wave of babies will wreck you if you're in pubs

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you'll be low as hell from killing mom too

obtuse cedar
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so pubs die to 6 babies now?

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that is worst then before

deft kiln
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They die to one

olive shoal
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i think in a pub environment

deft kiln
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Tbh

hexed vapor
olive shoal
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i will focus babies over killing mom during birth

worldly cargo
hexed vapor
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You should consider playing the game.

olive shoal
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because i do not trust them to kill babies

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the only exception to that is probably r3d1 but thats because i can just shoot pmom through door with sniper LOL

worldly cargo
deft kiln
worldly cargo
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you're now left with 3 pubs dealing with babies and mom

deft kiln
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With burst cannon

obtuse cedar
worldly cargo
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whereas, you shotgun baby waves, and then reload, and then kill the mom in one mag like you said

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no issues

hexed vapor
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Wow, so skilled.

olive shoal
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i just shoot or hammer during birth cd

worldly cargo
deft kiln
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It was out of principle

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They asked me to kill babies so I did

obtuse cedar
olive shoal
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u should play modded sgx

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theres some hard levels there

obtuse cedar
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most modded levels are poorly design

olive shoal
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what about the ones that arent

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u should play those

obtuse cedar
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i did

silent kettle
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the one*

olive shoal
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which one was it mr rick

obtuse cedar
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there's more then just one

silent kettle
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r6 legacy

olive shoal
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oh

deft kiln
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Why not r7 legacy

silent kettle
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that shit is trash

olive shoal
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doesnt r7 legacy have a bunch of immortals

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no ty

silent kettle
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random immmortal everywhere

deft kiln
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I love immortals

silent kettle
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guns are wack

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all the intuitive design is just removed

olive shoal
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i never played r6 legacy unfortunately

silent kettle
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go back to it

obtuse cedar
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you can still set it up

boreal tendon
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be warned of the infamous sniper melee though

olive shoal
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oh fuck

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i forgot about that

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ill crutch on host

deft kiln
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I got so fucking pissed 😡

silent kettle
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dload the fix

hexed vapor
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Isn't R6 Legacy the reactor spam ver.?

silent kettle
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there was a primitive version during r6

boreal tendon
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pretty sure the fix is for r7

hexed vapor
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W/ 20 pen weapons?

hexed vapor
silent kettle
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it partially works for r6

boreal tendon
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you get jitter instead

obtuse cedar
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there was a sniper mele mod fix back in r6

boreal tendon
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pick your poison i guess

hexed vapor
olive shoal
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well im yoinking host fuck everyone else anyway

deft kiln
obtuse cedar
silent kettle
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u get to see the infamous zone 990

hexed vapor
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or it introduced mega-jitter.

boreal tendon
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what was the 990

silent kettle
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supremacy

deft kiln
silent kettle
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hard maps + strong guns

boreal tendon
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u mean the contamination scan?

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or whateverfuckever is the official name for that

hexed vapor
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The legacy position.

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Every weapon needs to be on-par with BC and HEL Gun.

silent kettle
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990 is famous because 2 minutes in and everyone had tked each other 3 times

deft kiln
silent kettle
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mainly vanilla

deft kiln
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I find the new shit a steep learning curve

silent kettle
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no one cares abt the mod only stuff

deft kiln
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Yeah I be agreeing

olive shoal
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i enjoy the difficult vanilla rundowns

silent kettle
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if u do go back stay away from gridlock

deft kiln
olive shoal
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rick did u guys ever play samdown

olive shoal
silent kettle
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we didnt but i did

olive shoal
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what'd u think of it

silent kettle
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the E1 is good but the rest of the rundown wasnt that interesting

olive shoal
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i played t3e3 and that was it so idk what the rest of the levels are like

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i see i see

hexed vapor
deft kiln
# olive shoal like what

Kinda want to bring back r6 sniper. Definitely, har being useable. PR not taking an hour to reload.

olive shoal
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Oh my

deft kiln
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Simple changes. r6 sniper might be to far though

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Most weapons are okay there are a few that just be a little underwhelming in current

nocturne flax
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Chrysalis (sam gotta pay me to say samdown) its a love letter to vanilla gtfo

deft kiln
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It is nice I need to play more of it

nocturne flax
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It expands on all the good things that make gtfo good

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and capitalize on it

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played tested some of the levels and beat almost of it and its one those rundowns that can be passed as a vanilla one and people would love it

deft kiln
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Yeah it is brutal at times

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Over the summer I hope to complete it

wary olive
nocturne flax
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Crypt its wild yo

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just kill everything on site until you hit a stable 60

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and you good to go

wary olive
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the newest samdown map was fun, would recommend

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good frames too

obtuse surge
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THE CHARGER RUNDOWN

deft kiln
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Chargers are good enemies besides their melee position desync

wary olive
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i like parts that have all 3 normal type enemies mixed in

deft kiln
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I love mixed waves

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Although shadows mixed in get kinda fucked

wary olive
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is there even a mixed charger normal and shadow wave in vanilla?

nocturne flax
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Mixed waves are the most dangerous ones

deft kiln
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I imagine

nocturne flax
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the sync of all the enemies all together its a beautiful thing to witness,

deft kiln
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love that wave

nocturne flax
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Pmom controling your room outside since she just hangs outside, tank actually denying terrain in your room to keep you in cover, small trickles of smalls and couple opf chargers trying to get you

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its beautiful

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🥲

deft kiln
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One day

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We will be back

nocturne flax
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nah vanilla gonna stay the way it iss

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if you fight shadows you gonna get shadow only

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if you get charger you gonna get chargers

deft kiln
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It kinda has to do with heat being broken man

nocturne flax
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only level with that crazy amoung of enemies mix in its d2 if you do all rooms

nocturne flax
obtuse cedar
deft kiln
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Idk I use a different population % table and it works way better

nocturne flax
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rayalot been on that heat thing for the past year

deft kiln
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Even with vanilla wave populations. You actually see the “rare” enemies

nocturne flax
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feels like a conspiracy now

deft kiln
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Yeah I know I know

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but it really is broken

nocturne flax
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yeah i remember seen a screenshot somewhere many months ago

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wasnt r7d2 had big shooters

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because it actually work?

deft kiln
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R7d2 the waves have changed

nocturne flax
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like the boss archetype thing actually works

deft kiln
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Yeah probably

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Still having a 0.001 weight is kinda stupid

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Seeing a sleeper planned to be in the waves a tenth of the time

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Is insane to me

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And every single wave in the game is like this besides the odd true mono scan

turbid cliff
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The heat problem is real

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And boss role not spawning isn't even related to that

nocturne flax
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i cannot say the r word

turbid cliff
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Please

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There's no jokes with you

nocturne flax
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perhaps you might be a little dense

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mr lock melters dont melt hack locks

turbid cliff
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I've seen plenty examples of you being dumbo

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Schrödinger's dumbass

coarse berry
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now kiss

deft kiln
nocturne flax
turbid cliff
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You and the irl equivalent of my discord pfp maybe

long stag
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you can immediately see who is professionally dressed

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with condom on head

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😄

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boneless play with cheat....

glad river
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i like the yellow pose so much, its just looking at all the bs above him

long stag
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)

glad river
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:D

quasi canyon
quasi canyon
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😥

wary olive
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😟

long stag
glad river
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i think i have your style expect the color pallet and probably pants

kind swan
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Out of all the helmets

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I actually prefer Bishops mask

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Took me such a long time to finally get it (I never got the default variant of it either)

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Got all the other prisoners helmets and default variants before bishops

glad river
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it do be like that 99% of the time

kind swan
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I have the limited outfits and most of the outfits/helmets

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Bishops mask/default variant: LOL No

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I suppose the other ones I don't have yet are R2/R3 completion helmets

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My group hasn't played GTFO in a long time ever since our one friend put a 5 letter code for the final code in R7E1

glad river
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oh no :(

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thats a sad way to stop playing a game

glad river
silent kettle
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Inas you have to get the crew back together for gtfo

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to this day we play zodiac cause its epic

coarse echo
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Incorrect; we don't even play together atm as no one is interested in gtfo except Rick

silent kettle
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robert ur not included in that

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fuck u

deft kiln
silent kettle
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thx

olive shoal
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poor rick 😔

frail horizon
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ill play with you rick

atomic escarp
olive shoal
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rick dont play with coz hes a knife user

atomic escarp
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rick dont play with coz hes a bot user

kind swan
obtuse surge
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eva keeps trolling, do you want to replace him rick

olive shoal
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wesley the silent one and toxic clique crossover would be so cool

frail horizon
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you guys are haters

silent kettle
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LOL

prisma zodiac
kind swan
prisma zodiac
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Sniper

kind swan
hexed vapor
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W8, I didn't even realize this Steam Forums guy is offering a game for R2D2 clears.

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Wildin'

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He has to be actually trolling.

earnest crest
last gust
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r2d2 seems to be rankling a bunch of the newer players

atomic escarp
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gtfo main player tier list

last gust
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I guess it is a significant step up over everything before it in r2

obtuse surge
hexed vapor
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I'm just out here trying to win arguments.

kind swan
real moss
hexed vapor
real moss
prisma zodiac
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but you cant just say people are using „illegal“ methods lul

real moss
last gust
prisma zodiac
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also man

i hate r3b2 scans fr
We be getting so close to the sub 7:30

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but then it just goes „nah“

hexed vapor
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Fuck, I reload cancelled like 20 times in that R2D2

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entire run invalidated.

prisma zodiac
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Rayalot, a repeat offender?

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BAN

hexed vapor
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How does the guy make the exact same bad assumption twice off?

tough atlas
real moss
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Guess he did not have the patience to wait for it as well

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says enough about why he is failing at GTFO

real moss
tough atlas
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It's also a bit sad tbh, if you're so desperate you promise something with actual value in exchange of a level clear in a PvE Coop game you might aswell just load in alone and cheat

hexed vapor
tough atlas
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And he failed?

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I've no idea how cheats work in GTFO but can't he just load godmode in or something like that?

hexed vapor
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There's no chance of winning this level legally, and whoever says otherwise either hasn't won it and has no idea what they're talking about or if they have won it, did it "illegally". Like I did. These levels are truly ridiculous.

tough atlas
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Ah ok

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whatever then

hexed vapor
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I mean, this just confirms in every way, people that cheat 90% of the time are just bad players.

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And apparently some Steam Forums users, too.

tough atlas
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I feel like most just bought the wrong game tbh

real moss
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The sad part is that because HE can't clear it, NO ONE can

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like bruh

tough atlas
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"Could it be that I'm misremembering things? No, the universe has been rewritten!"

real moss
hexed vapor
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and I think the mind-state he's in is that his "bet" is so good it might as well have something like 1:10 or 1:20 odds.

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He genuinely thinks the level is near impossible.

west crow
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The only time I've reload canceled I've done it with perfect timing/frequency to intercept and cancel out another guy doing it

atomic escarp
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I reload cancel irl

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
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Omegalul

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west crow
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Could you stop posting my steam forum discussions

tough atlas
hexed vapor
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Might just be non-native English, though.

tough atlas
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It feels like some sort of chatbot on meth

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profile says "Canada" so... maybe?

hexed vapor
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Maybe this is Krystal's Steam Forums account.

tough atlas
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"Rayaloft"

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You and slayer are on nickname basis now

hexed vapor
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Sick.

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I'm pretty sure they've ragequit the thread, btw.

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I don't think I've ever won an argument ("ratio'd," as the kids say) harder in my life.

prisma zodiac
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nah rayaloft i think youve lost so hard when he pointed out that you tried more then 25 times to even beat that level

hexed vapor
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He didn't post a character with a speech bubble, though.

prisma zodiac
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Huh?

hexed vapor
prisma zodiac
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that whole paragraph

IMG_0561.png
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Holy

hexed vapor
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My man is coping rn.

prisma zodiac
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TIL professor scalers video are the same as using cheats

hexed vapor
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The internet is a cheese strat

prisma zodiac
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learning and improving is glitch abuse

glad river
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enjoying the game is a separate speed running category

tough atlas
hexed vapor
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That was my vague impression, anyway.

tough atlas
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"obliterate an opponent in open discourse"

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😆

deft kiln
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One has more they ratioe’d

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If you have more comments that likes you said something bold

tough atlas
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Well

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It really goes, explained that way, as if something popular means it's good

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We could go into the argument of whether a popular opinion is a good one but I'm overthinking it

deft kiln
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Popularity doesn’t make an argument more sound but more sound arguments tend to be popular

pliant pasture
# prisma zodiac that whole paragraph

this is a good point, for games that came out before 2002 but pretending the interenet doesn't exist for a game that is 4 player online coop is stupid, and wrong

deft kiln
atomic escarp
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this chat feels illegal

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like ive dug 20 layers deep in the dark web and its just some neeks arguing about an obsolete subject

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😂 yall are funny tho

deft kiln
narrow gulch
jaunty hedgeBOT
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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

west crow
deft kiln
west crow
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please

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this is exactly what I've wanted to do

deft kiln
west crow
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😍

half hornet
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There is an argument to be made about how using a guide to beat a game is not the same as beating it by yourself. Or like watching a video of someone else beating a dark souls boss helps you to make your timings better as well.
It's kinda like copying someone else's homework, you know what I mean?

plush basin
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Two parts of the game right, strategy and execution.

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Finding the right strategy can be iterative and fun, but you could ask someone or watch video too

kind swan
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As if we don't learn these strategies and etc. From other players we LFG with already

plush basin
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Unless you're in a static

prisma zodiac
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yeah. The big thing i learned from scaler when i was new was uplinks spawning only in the same zone

the next time i really checked a guide (usually i looked at them post our clear) was with R4E1, but we never rly got to it back then

velvet linden
hallow lark
pliant bear
deft kiln
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if the biggest challenge of your game is knowing what to do. It isn’t good difficulty.

frail horizon
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what about puzzle games

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or puzzles in general

deft kiln
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Puzzle games

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Are built around puzzles

frail horizon
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difficult nonetheless

deft kiln
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We are in a genera of games. Hardcore difficult games.

frail horizon
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and if you watch someone tell you how to do it then it gets significantly less difficult

deft kiln
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You don’t understand we aren’t talking about all games we are talking about game’s specifically market with their difficulty being a core aspect. Puzzle games generally don’t do this.

frail horizon
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the whole selling point of puzzles is their difficulty

deft kiln
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No it really isn’t

frail horizon
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then what is it

deft kiln
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Unless you have a brain issue it is just a problem

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The act of thinking

frail horizon
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you can make really hard puzzles

deft kiln
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I can give you hard puzzle games and you would fucking hate them

pliant pasture
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baba is hate

frail horizon
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theres still a skill curve to games of this genre

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but yes you can make really difficult puzzles and not be frustrating

deft kiln
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Play it without a guide

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Gl

pliant pasture
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but its about the balance of knowledge check and execution is what i am hearing Jish, and i think we have a similar spot on the curve as Dark Souls games

deft kiln
pliant pasture
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and knowing makes the game So Much easier, but you still have to be able to execute at a certain level to clear-

pliant pasture
#

whats a comparable game in skill/knowledge balance in your opinion?

frail horizon
deft kiln
#

And that is pretty much it

pliant pasture
pliant pasture
#

what does the Iron Skull do?

deft kiln
#

Removes checkpoints

#

Like gtfo is hard but it’s length is the main thing going for it. 1 hour of being okay at the game

#

No big duck ups

#

Dark souls difficulty is good. It can ask a lot from you and gives you pretty generous checkpoints.

deft kiln
#

As well plays like it

#

But a another good example of not knowing what to do is r3d1

#

Beginners will see the warden door open and the sleeping p mom then when it wakes up randomly to the scream door

#

They wipe

#

Not good difficulty tbh

#

If the fact that the warden door was a scream door was given I wouldn’t care

pliant pasture
#

ahhh ya, i really agree with you now

deft kiln
#

Like it is the main problem with modded maps too.

#

We will be playing a blood door shows up then it is random mother we weren’t standing in the right place and we die

pliant pasture
deft kiln
#

Yeah I remember and I agree

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I remember my first reactor in r6

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and my friends couldn’t figure it out.

#

Lucky for us there was a checkpoint right as we started

daring pilot
deft kiln
daring pilot
#

ah

#

yeah

deft kiln
#

new players would get to r7e1 and wipe to not knowing how reactors work

daring pilot
#

yeah, R6D1 was such a nice reactor tutorial

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and tank tutorial as well

deft kiln
#

it had a nice checkpoint respawn rooms that kept you from doing anything insane

daring pilot
#

honestly R6D1 is just like the D tier intro but without the enemy types

pliant pasture
#

the means of this game to communicate with you are 1. the objective stack, which is literally the bare minimum. 2. the flavor test spot that shows up for 6 seconds on the left before disappearing and 3. logs in terminals which if you stop and look at every terminal for hints about the level it will kill your momentum and you also won't get any hints lol

#

which is fine, if you can learn how everything works that would be fine, but then a curve ball comes at the end of the mission and that is that

#

for R3D1, all they had to do was put a blood texture on the warden door

daring pilot
#

OHHH right isn't the tank there to teach about tumors?

#

so that they know how to kill the bean?

deft kiln
#

has to be

#

actually good design

daring pilot
#

i still stand by my statement that R6 was peak level design

#

sure, there were bugs that hindered it

winter wharf
#

that or the cynical part of me wants to say "you shoot the thing that glows slightly red"

#

for the kraken, anyway

pliant pasture
winter wharf
#

gives a bit of indication of what to look at when in isolation

deft kiln
pliant pasture
#

but ya, there needs to be mechanical communication so that players can actually be prepared for whats to come and be rewarded for paying attention

daring pilot
#

honestly I think it'd be cool if Apex doors had a blood door animation

daring pilot
#

I remember my first time going into the birther darkrooms we weren't sure if we'd have to start shooting bc every birther before that was autowake

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luckily the scouts were there so we figured we'd have to be quiet

deft kiln
#

well that isnt even the case blood doors having scouts behind is a meme

daring pilot
#

oh right lol

#

R3A2

deft kiln
#

but yeah excatly the point

deft kiln
daring pilot
#

ik it's not a blood door but R4A2

deft kiln
#

yup

daring pilot
#

at least that should be fixed in alt, I hope

pliant pasture
#

kinda surprised there isn't an autowake room filled with scouts thh

daring pilot
#

that sounds annoying af

#

was the tank in R4D2 autowake?

deft kiln
#

idk about d2 tho

daring pilot
#

well yeah

deft kiln
#

r4c1

daring pilot
#

but that level is the work of satan

#

R5A2 is the GTFO equivalent of "prank him John!"

frail horizon
daring pilot
#

it's unintuitive for new players

#

imo

deft kiln
#

scream doors

#

i am mad at tbh

frail horizon
#

the blood door at the end?

daring pilot
#

i don't get scream doors tbh

#

why are they different from blood doors?

deft kiln
#

completely invisible

frail horizon
#

oh

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i see

deft kiln
#

sometimes they are on 15 second delay

#

and it is fucking stupid

frail horizon
#

not really

deft kiln
#

yes it 100% is

daring pilot
#

uhhhh i mean it kind of is

#

we have a mechanic for having alerted sleepers behind a door

deft kiln
#

i have bunny hopped into a charger giant room

frail horizon
#

not the way it was used

deft kiln
#

full stopped and i am getting ready to stealth

#

then everything wakes up and i instant die

daring pilot
#

i mean the pmom has like a good few seconds on delay of her waking

pliant pasture
#

it is ripping the carpet out from any first time someone is playing unless a vet just lays out exactly what/when/how everything is about to happen

frail horizon
#

by everything do you mean the pmother

daring pilot
#

yeah, i feel like it's kind of just meant to kill a run, idk

frail horizon
#

because that was probably the best use for it

deft kiln
#

no you are stupid it isnt the only scream door

#

there are so many

daring pilot
#

there are a lot of scream doors

#

mostly birthers and tanks

deft kiln
#

modded maps have them

frail horizon
#

you said r3d1

deft kiln
#

for example

#

but it is still stupid

pliant pasture
#

by everything i mean autowake doors that don't tell you so

daring pilot
#

and also a lot of vanilla maps tbh, mostly ones that aren't in the game atm

frail horizon
#

the introduction to big mom would have been way less climactic without her waking up

#

it adds to the gameplay in r3d1

deft kiln
#

her waking up isnt the problem

daring pilot
#

yeah there's no signal she's going to wake up

frail horizon
#

thats the cool part

#

what is the point

pliant pasture
#

jesus that is the point

daring pilot
#

like I get that a blood door wouldn't have been as cinematic but this thing gives 0 sign that it will wake

frail horizon
#

because i guess I'm not following

daring pilot
#

now im confused

frail horizon
#

me too

pliant pasture
#

my b, slow connection has me responding to things after the topic changes

daring pilot
#

all good

pliant pasture
daring pilot
#

ah ok

#

yeah, this happens a lot in certain levels

frail horizon
#

but shes a bossfight

daring pilot
#

yes we don't know that

#

ahead of time

pliant pasture
#

there are lots of things this game doesn't even hint at, it changes how something works in a way thats unfair for expectations

daring pilot
#

there is 0 reason why she would suddenly wake up

deft kiln
#

we literally see a mom

pliant pasture
#

it mimics the exact same interation from b2

daring pilot
#

like at least making the door a blood door and then having her autowake would have been better

deft kiln
#

in the game asleep before tis

pliant pasture
#

where ahe doesn't autowake

daring pilot
frail horizon
#

do you want to 1att every expedition

pliant pasture
#

i don't want the game to lie to me

deft kiln
#

yes fair communication is good in difficult video games. especially ones that don't like checkpoints and like taking "hours"

daring pilot
#

no, plenty of stuff should be able to kill you, but GTFO is built on communication of design

#

the level can communicate everything to you, tools like bio, terminals, your ears

#

all things designed to make the difficulty come from the levels themselves, not from the game decieving you

frail horizon
#

i personally will allow the game to lie to me

#

when it adds to the level

pliant pasture
#

what if you heard an alarm start? what if there was a blood texture on the door? literally any hint that what on the other side of this door is a boss fight and not a stealth opportunity

frail horizon
#

then id know exactly what happens

#

throwing a curveball is actually cool sometimes imo

deft kiln
#

i agree but the problem is in context

frail horizon
#

it all depends on when you use it

#

yes i agree

deft kiln
#

this is at the end of a level. if there was a checkpoint after first class 5 i wouldnt care

frail horizon
#

the beginning isnt so hard anyway

deft kiln
#

it isnt

#

but that isnt the point

daring pilot
#

;-;

deft kiln
#

it is the game valuing my time.

frail horizon
#

i guess it really depends on how much time the player has then

pliant pasture
#

its about the game valuing it

deft kiln
#

no if you have lots of time games can still waste your time.

daring pilot
#

also it's probably just super demoralizing to new players

pliant pasture
#

having lots of time doesn't mean the opportunity cost for game time changes

daring pilot
#

imagine seeing extract right there and getting wiped by something you didn't know would wake up

deft kiln
daring pilot
#

my crew had a audio glitch near the end of R6C2 EX and I crashed, ending the run right near the end, was super sad

deft kiln
#

so players come to the realization they have to kill that thing

#

very fun

daring pilot
#

and also made us not want to play for a while

deft kiln
#

it was very funny

daring pilot
#

yeah I bet it did

deft kiln
#

"guys, i want to do the overload"

#

okay lets go do it

daring pilot
#

so in R4 there was 3 autowake, 2 in D1 and 1 in E1

deft kiln
#

yeah idk man

#

just tell me their scream doors

daring pilot
#

the birthers in D1

#

and the bossfight in E1

#

R5 had the one in A2 overload and two separate doors in D1

deft kiln
daring pilot
#

yeah

deft kiln
#

but you could make it very annoying very quickly

daring pilot
#

R6C2's is right near a checkpoint, so it's more forgiving

deft kiln
#

yeah and it is telegraphed

#

doesn't it tell you in object stack

daring pilot
#

idk

#

i was too busy fighting hybrids

#

and rushing in to scattergun her

deft kiln
#

r6c2

#

also made my group quit i think

daring pilot
#

huh, yeah R6C2EX was a problem level for my team

#

but we eventually powered through it

deft kiln
#

they havent ever come back

#

it is just me

daring pilot
#

we did main without opening the fog repeller zone

#

O_o

#

was an accident, we were like "we don't need to go in there"

#

did the entire main part on 85% infection

pliant pasture
deft kiln
#

dont worry that is when the game gets great

#

you play r7e1 100 times and start to understand the game is okay sometimes

pliant pasture
#

i am walking the path, i just gotta get good

west crow
#

Do not play r7e1 at night with goku

#

Worst mistake of my life

pliant pasture
#

what genre of not fun was it?

kind swan
#

At midnight

west crow
#

You should absolutely play r7e1 with beep

#

I'll hold immortal AND do stealth section

pliant pasture
#

can you do the codes too? me and my 3 friends are all on controller

olive shoal
#

Beep you woke up pmom last time i played with you

west crow
#

I'm a different man now

pliant bear
#

Balls' removal is really the thing that changes people...

half hornet
#

Would be weird if the game out of nowhere asked you to do something it haven't explained or setup as a thing that can be done.

#

Unless it's a puzzle game, in which case it's a whole different topic with some deep rabbit holes.

#

Also wtf is worth with this font... The O's look like murdered zeros.

pliant pasture
#

i think the 4th code in R7E1 should have been on a locked terminal and the only way to unlock it is to clear 10 rows in tetris

plush basin
#

should only take 30 seconds

pliant pasture
#

15 if you are holding a medpack

split crow
#

what does the p in pmother stand for

deft kiln
#

Pee

prisma zodiac
deft kiln
coarse berry
#

Would be cool if in R8, the warden's corruption would start fucking with the Cortex interfaces

#

glitching our vision / hallucinations / etc

chrome rivet
#

What level did the Tank debut in just curious.

#

Wiki doesn't say

daring pilot
#

R4C1

chrome rivet
#

Gotcha thanks

daring pilot
#

👍

mellow creek
#

wen r8

mellow creek
#

its invisible

half hornet
#

Probably Proto or Prime

#

Because it's either the first or the ultimate form it evolves into.

empty jackal
#

Is the pistol good

#

Base primary pistol

raven flare
#

is not bad

#

i like it

plush basin
#

I think its fine, great for stagger, but not a stand out weapon

raven flare
#

its just not made for like waves and waves of enemies

plush basin
#

Can kill enemies efficiently but not super quickly

empty jackal
#

For primaries which one would you consider stand out? Van Auken?

plush basin
#

Hel revolver or carbine

raven flare
#

i would say theres no meta

#

and that u should try em all

hexed vapor
#

Whether it's easily identified or if you should follow it is separate, but not all weapons are created equal.

empty jackal
prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

All of the special shotguns and the revolver (4 weapons) should be significantly easier to play while being very potent options.

frail horizon
#

i play revolver the cool way

#

it can wipe out waves if you're good at aiming for the head

west crow
#

Needing to three shot chargers with revolver

#

No reload cancel

frail horizon
#

in charger levels i bring a main to assist me

west crow
#

What main do you bring

raven flare
#

pistol

pliant pasture
#

sling shot

nocturne flax
#

Fellas

#

40 damage saw off shotgun

#

Thats all im sayinf

astral ferry
#

flashlight buff is more important

nocturne flax
#

Nah

#

35 to 40 saw off shotgun

#

Perfection

daring pilot
#

that would be nice

#

one mag able to kill a big

errant vigil
#

Can Revolver do 20 damage so it can also one mag bigs?

nocturne flax
#

Revo can kill from a distance

#

I got to hug and give therapy to a sleeper to kill

errant vigil
#

use choke

nocturne flax
#

No i wanna pair my saw off with the multiple more fun specials

errant vigil
#

Falloff range and spread reduction would be more balance changes

frail horizon
kind swan
#

🐒

coarse berry
pliant bear
#

I prefer ACCRAT STB

coarse berry
#

also very good choice

winter wharf
#

Bataldo Model 8 (I will not elaborate)

coarse berry
#

That one I recognize

#

mainly cuase I don't think Bataldo has any other guns in the game?

#

nvm the HEL shotty too

kind swan
#

Arid 5

hexed vapor
#

exp1 gaming.

#

The Pres MOD 556 is a good synergy.

mortal portal
#

I believe in HEL Shotgun supremacy

hexed vapor
#

I don't know what gun that is, you'll have to be more specific.

frail horizon
#

Bataldo J 300

#

specific enough

hexed vapor
#

Ah, thank you.

nocturne flax
#

Just burst cancel the scattergun

pliant pasture
#

i burst canceled the whole ammo reserve into the wall. i did it so perfectly it cleared R7E1 for me

west crow
pliant pasture
#

just have Rayalot teach you, i saw him burst cancel the burst cannon

velvet linden
#

will bot dauda teach me

pliant pasture
#

yes, but every lesson costs an ammo pack he will spend on himself

velvet linden
#

im sold

frail horizon
#

and probably your health

pliant pasture
#

hey i am looking to compile a list of exceptions to the 2-Room Rule

raven flare
#

u been writin 7 days im scares ksmdk

pliant pasture
#

as far as i know its three kinds:
A. Uplinks:
they only spawn in the same zone as the terminal, but still try to spawn 2 rooms away if possible.
B. No Space:
if an alarm or scout wave go off when there is only 1 room distance away available, they will spawn there instead. (||R1B1||* ||R2E1||)
C. Scripted:
some alarms spawn in enemies at fixed locations, no matter where you are standing or where the alarm happens to be. (Reactors, ||R7B1|| ||twice||)

pliant pasture
#

am i missing any other categories?

raven flare
#

in reactor levels they have fixed spawn locations if im not wrong
like for example R7E1, R3A3 n so

pliant pasture
#

this is true, noted

raven flare
#

ah flyers!! i guess they count as scripted tho since they appear almost always in the room u r from the ceilin
and that counts the tp areas too like R7B3 extreme

pliant pasture
#

ahh ya in the tp spots they are all scripted i assume, because i don't see any doors around there

raven flare
#

theres some for sleepers to break sometimes but yeh mostly is flyiers out of nowhere

deft kiln
#

That definitely encompasses uplinks in my mind

deft kiln
pliant pasture
deft kiln
#

You can push lots of waves just if you are two rooms away form players it can spawns waves on you

prisma zodiac
tough atlas
#

Because I usually get enemies to spawn in the same room as the next sec door zone for the first alarm (which would be 4 rooms away if the room divider is actually there)

#

And there's also the glitch I sometimes have with R1D1 where they basically spawn in B instead of A for the first alarm

#

it happens sporadically but it kinda looks like the video where people had enemies spawn in the same room as them during R2D2

#

Plus if it's a spawn direction for reactor I assume them spawning behind you in R3A3 is a glitch?

#

Cause I've had that a lot

#

I just have the impression that it's a mix-match and some waves are just supposed to spawn "anywhere just X rooms away" while others follow a pattern like what you said

#

That being said, there's still stuff like R6D3's where they are only supposed to come from 1 specific room, but I can't think of any other example right now

prisma zodiac
#

Unless you mean in the charger zone there

prisma zodiac
#

And back spawns in r3a3 only happen once you opened the 4th code iirc

tough atlas
#

I mean the very first alarm you can do, the one inside the second zone you come across

#

they can either spawn in the last room of the first zone or on the East side of the map

#

I always assumed there was a room divider there since usually the corridor doesn't get alerted even if the rest of the room does

prisma zodiac
#

there is

#

but the room where the sec door to charger zone (class 3 charger alarm) is, is 3 rooms away

tough atlas
#

Do you have like 1 minute right now?

prisma zodiac
#

sry no

#

will start speed on strem

tough atlas
#

in any event

#

I mean the alarm in 92C

#

the corridor is apparently 92d

prisma zodiac
#

i know watcha mean ye

tough atlas
#

but I had enemies spawn in 92F

prisma zodiac
#

which is 3 rooms away nod

#

had it happen before aswell

tough atlas
#

I always count room1 as the one the alarm is in

prisma zodiac
#

thats 0

#

its also why we say "2 rooms away"

tough atlas
#

eh well

#

in any event

#

why don't they spawn in 92E?

#

It's one of the only things I've video-proof of

#

it's the same video I made while I was playing drunk with bots

#

they spawned some in 92F and they refused to do anything until I came close to them

west crow
#

Can you draw me a map and convert it to ascii art so I can follow along

tough atlas
#

Best I can do is turn the map into a cute grill with OrangeMix

chrome rivet
#

R7C1 S Scan exist Burst cannon has entered the chat

pliant pasture
half hornet
#

Ooooh

#

Now that you mention it

#

God that makes that scan do much easier

#

More Cfoam into the corners

prisma zodiac
#

cfoam? corners? wha

raven flare
#

foam in the s scan????

half hornet
#

Into the tight paths so that the bastards freeze and win you some time

raven flare
#

but that scan is mostly just big ones

half hornet
#

Then what is this thing up my ass

#

Could it be a striker's mouth

#

Oh and there's 3 of them

#

Fascinating

#

🔎

prisma zodiac
#

shoot?

pliant pasture
#

cast the 1 level spell: gun?

raven flare
#

does that count

prisma zodiac
#

eh, kinda? its somewhat wack overall

raven flare
#

funks :]

half hornet
prisma zodiac
#

i mean

#

do you not

#

:^ )

velvet linden
half hornet
#

Use gun, use hammer... Conflicting messages here.

pliant pasture
raven flare
#

use a bat

#

all positives

glass mirage
#

use a knife

#

the sleepers won't want to be around someone pretending to be british

velvet linden
obtuse surge
#

lf3 seeded R3A3

winter wharf
obtuse surge
#

do you want the autohotkey for instant uplink

#

(to lower the entry barrier for uplinks)

kind swan
pliant pasture
chrome rivet
kind swan
#

If you know. You know.

daring pilot
#

does he know?

frosty hound
velvet linden
kind swan
narrow gulch
#

You know what really spices up uplinks with bots? The fire alarm in your building going off right as the scan to start it finishes

#

Gtfo alarms extend to irl apparently

kind swan
#

The shooter breaks into your room and you just sidestep crouch to dodge the shot and then slam him in the head with a hammer

west crow
#

I don't think my workplace would like a shooter in the building

white plume
safe nacelle
#

SPOIL ME!

raven flare
#

no

real moss
mellow creek
#

wen r8

orchid kindle
#

59 years atleast

nocturne flax
#

finally my GTFO fix

obtuse surge
#

PLEASE CHANGE THE B3 LAYERS

#

THEY SUCK

nocturne flax
obtuse surge
#

i hate you

#

i hope they nerf the saw off

nocturne flax
obtuse surge
#

5 mag but you gotta 2 shot the strikers now

#

gl buddy

#

increase the reload a little bit so it fits the brand better

west crow
#

Why is part of daudas backpack just floating in mid air

tough atlas
#

is it just an object with wireframes or however you call it?

#

or am I seeing just the white jagged edge?

west crow
#

I'm not entirely sure what you're referencing

tough atlas
#

next to the dude on the right side there's some... things that I can't say if it's just 2 debris with jagged edges

west crow
#

You're going to send me some bright red circles

#

Unless you're just talking about the destroyed tile

tough atlas
#

give me a sec

velvet linden
#

Two schizophrenics have a conversation

tough atlas
#

You and who's the other one?

velvet linden
#

Me

tough atlas
#

🤔

orchid kindle
velvet linden
#

Who are you people

orchid kindle
subtle vault
#

Yo, can’t wait for them to Add the HAR, AP, and Auto sentry

#

Hyped for AltR4

velvet linden
#

I have bad news for you then

subtle vault
velvet linden
#

Yeah, basically

orchid kindle
#

when ap, he and BESH rounds?

velvet linden
#

I have bad news for you too

deft kiln
#

I am so glad the devs have decided to talk to us

#

They have given us so much info with the cool picture

kind swan
#

WHAT COULD IT POSSIBLY MEAN??

#

(Definitely not the Bulkhead door)

raven flare
#

idk i kinda like it its simple and shows its gonna come out soonish :]

astral ferry
#

june 1st

raven flare
#

the only thing im mad about is that none of em has a bat

kind swan
#

They all have Hammers.

#

As the founding fathers intended

kind swan
deft kiln
#

Well there is 3 prisoners in the photo maybe referring to b3 the level the photo is in. None of them are using bc or hel gun this could mean they have nerfed these guns. The orange box isn’t open because r4 isn’t out. (Present box doesn’t open until r4 is out) they are all using hammer but that is just because 10cc are meta slaves to the hammer

#

Crazy amount of info

frosty hound
#

found yesterday on R7D1 after error alarm side resource door with my group?? couldn't be pinged nor opened

SPOILER_image.png SPOILER_image.png
raven flare
#

boxes that say surprise i think r boxes that didnt spawn well, or that r defective and cant b opened or somethin like that

pliant pasture
#

classic

#

exactly, it think the devs can't remove those bugged boxes from those tiles, but they can rename them to something silly

half hornet
#

Bugs bugs bug svufs

pliant pasture
#

also! folks! how does sound and open doors work, i have been using short hands for too long, its time to get learned.

half hornet
#

What

raven flare
#

um wut

pliant pasture
#

what are the variables and checks at play when i fire a gun, and there is a sleeping enemy X meters away through an open door

#

gun shots have an auto aggro range, do open doors affect that auto aggro range at all

raven flare
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um 50 meters for an enemy to hear u, every time it passes through a zone 20 meters are deflected of those 50, so if the enemy is two doors away its 10 meters, reason why sometimes u can partial pull a full area

pliant pasture
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that is what i thought, boy did i ever wake up a tank yesterday shooting 40 meters from an open zone door that had a tank in it

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which is why i am suspecting it doesn't just +20m to the range count, but instead add a multiplier to the range through that door.
50 meter range =
40m |security doorway| (10m • 0.5)

raven flare
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mhh maybs, u could do tests why the bio about this, specially in r7c1 since the fog lowering zone has a door and a room separator super super close

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... w why did u woke up a tank

deft kiln
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So shooting has a 50 meter alert range or something

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Every door subtracts 20

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That number is a hard 20 btw it isn’t a %

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For sleepers to alert in other rooms there is two checks

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They are in the radius

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And you have a open door going from you to that spot.

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how you can abuse this. 1 you shoot from over 50 meter away. Or through doors
2 you shoot well a door is opening/closing.
3 you use a method of killing sleepers that has a less that 20 meter alert range.(mines have this property btw)

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@pliant pasture

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Dealing dmg also awakens a sleeper

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If you where shooting the tank LOL

pliant pasture
obtuse surge
pliant pasture
raven flare
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they funky

pliant pasture
raven flare
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maybe a bot :D

pliant pasture
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i must have misjudged the length of the room by a lot

pliant pasture
pliant pasture
deft kiln
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You can void into the next room sometimes

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How close to the door were you

deft kiln
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Like we shouldn’t ever see this all they needed to do is move some of the resource spawns

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5 min fix

obtuse surge
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yes

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we are getting close to a full year of R7D1 being very obviously broken but no effort to fix it

deft kiln
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It is a big level

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Lots going on

pliant pasture
obtuse surge
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fr

deft kiln
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Cause if it is a modded map some funny business with these numbers could be going on

west crow
deft kiln
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Shot distance being 150 moments

west crow
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😢

narrow gulch
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Heat d2 flyer alarm

deft kiln
west crow
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I'm stuff

deft kiln
narrow gulch
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Ye

west crow
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I took them out

deft kiln
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They probs screamed

west crow
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You're welcome 🥰🥰

deft kiln
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Lol

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Nice shit beep

obtuse surge
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can you take me out

narrow gulch
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They didn't do it the first 2 times fsr

west crow
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Gardens date

deft kiln
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They have the scream ability maybe you got luck as fuck

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But they can scream unless heat does funny business

narrow gulch
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Ig,it was a pretty long alarm

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Scream makes more sense

deft kiln
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ik they can’t break door

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Idk if they can scream