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deft kiln
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Lol

prisma zodiac
real moss
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34 was chilling it

icy pendant
deft kiln
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But Eva we are dirty seeders

real moss
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I'm no speedrun maniac

deft kiln
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!!!!

prisma zodiac
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xD

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ive gotten a 15 min run without logs tbf

real moss
deft kiln
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Yeah it isn’t hard

icy pendant
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maybe were just not good at video games

prisma zodiac
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its a very fun speedrun

prisma zodiac
icy pendant
prisma zodiac
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tho 3 hours (if 1 session) would be long. Checkpoints would explain it tho

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71 hours is new

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LOL

deft kiln
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We have a few more than that

real moss
prisma zodiac
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i got 1.7k

icy pendant
deft kiln
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Beep is here to cook

west crow
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Darkeva try not to gloat challenge IMPOSSIBLE

deft kiln
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Let’s go

icy pendant
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is it even hard after like

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r7

prisma zodiac
deft kiln
real moss
prisma zodiac
west crow
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He has very important Chem work to do

prisma zodiac
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im actually done for today (well mostly, i gotta revise some stuff send back to me)

deft kiln
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I am every gtfo pub

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I am an actor

prisma zodiac
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Anyway youll get used to it @icy pendant

real moss
prisma zodiac
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games a lot of fun

icy pendant
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it is

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kind of a weird detail but the fact its 10 gigs and looks better than 70 gig games kind of made me doubt whats in those other games

real moss
prisma zodiac
icy pendant
prisma zodiac
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no, its all the patch notes @real moss

real moss
prisma zodiac
real moss
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checkpoints and bots are bugged since december 2021

real moss
icy pendant
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after the big alarm we kicked the bot because he wouldnt cooperate

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and yknow
run

real moss
icy pendant
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i know but they are broken

prisma zodiac
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in both terms yes

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they have absolutely stupid buffs in exchange for their quirks

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and then they just bug out on some things

twin dirge
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sure they can burst cancel enemies with the burst cannon

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but sometimes that enemy is you

prisma zodiac
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oh right thats a thing LUL

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yeah if you in the way they dont care about burst canceling

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theyll just fire it all KEKW

fresh bronze
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If im correct 5 bullets from it is garunteed death

prisma zodiac
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very much so

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its 200 dmg to a player

fresh bronze
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Ayy so not all the ammo is wasted if they hit the enemy after i die

light imp
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R1B1 who can help me

hexed vapor
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W8, are bots cracked with BC rn?

astral ferry
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tfw bots can burst cancel

half hornet
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Whatever it takes to make them viable

fossil jetty
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And don’t seem to be that much better compared to a person using a BC

twin dirge
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yeah the issue is that bots sometimes miss to balance them

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so they might just brrrrt the wall as a "balance"

light niche
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Whenever I run bots they're basically seal team 6, they can shoot through the single pixel gap on closed doors

nocturne flax
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They literally just sentries that move in that regard

twin dirge
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so bots always hit shots?

balmy robin
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They are "accurate", until you place yourself between an ennemy and a bot with a High Caliber Pistol.

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Then you drop to the ground

reef talon
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That's just them accurately opening your skull up.

ashen halo
hallow lark
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Hey, what’s in Warden door in B1 zone 234?

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Is that extract or what?

plush basin
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yes

hallow lark
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Ah ok.

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Thx

obtuse surge
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is R3A3 fog rise only during the team scan

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or is it just way faster during the team scan

daring pilot
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you mean A2?

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I think it starts rising when u restart cluster

obtuse surge
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A2 yes

fallow wasp
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fog getting sucked into the area

obtuse surge
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if you were slightly late to team scan the fog is immediately way worse

tender tundra
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still a pretty easy fog level to do, just gotta organize good, since you only have 1 scan which has to be done

obtuse surge
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i dont think you guys understand

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the fog rises at an incredibly fast speed during the team scan

nocturne flax
obtuse surge
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incredibly punishing if you are late

nocturne flax
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JUST GET GOOD

obtuse surge
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its ok i found the cheese spot

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the striker_fast cant hit me anymore

fallow wasp
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Bro D1 class 6 scan with only shooters

solemn wigeon
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Relatable

nocturne flax
honest lotus
tiny echo
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r3a3 last part (6/6) w t f

real moss
orchid kindle
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stop spoiling r3

bold widget
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Is in the spoiler channel

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Doesnt like to get spoilered

ruby swift
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The Queen should be able to melee attack prisoners in my opinion. Or maybe just something a bit different to a normal mother actions... What you believe ? Personnaly I was imagining the Queen Eating prisoners and while she got them in the stomac, she would drop extra babies ShooterUok
I'll give you 1000 RGB glowsticks if you change my mind PirateSimonglowstick glowstick glowstick

boreal carbon
tiny echo
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!WoodsPing

trim spade
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On what level on r3 has the queen birther or what levels

plush basin
trim spade
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Ty

real moss
bold widget
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I miss pmoms scout scream death 😦

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Game literally unplayable

half hornet
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Mah ambience and immersions

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Btw R3B(whatever) spooky scream upon entering the red zone was big spoom

hexed vapor
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Shotgun sentry actually seems to do a decent job in solo.

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Gives you higher output at the cost of a higher tool expenditure.

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Which is what you want in solo.

prisma zodiac
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depends

If the alarm section is too long youll be there with no tool to help at some point, no?

real moss
atomic escarp
balmy robin
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Back in the day it made quite a few of us miss a heartbeat ^^

atomic escarp
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it's fucking terrifying LOL

bold widget
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I wish they would do more stuff like this but oh well

hexed vapor
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It was lasting me in R3A3, for example.

prisma zodiac
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ill have to do some trial stuff with it once the weeks over

tough badger
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I watched a shotgun sentry fail to kill a shooter point blank for 6 straight seconds, after which I just shot it

nocturne flax
hexed vapor
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Bio might nerf it, unironically.

nocturne flax
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You ass gonna be starving for some tool past class 4

nocturne flax
hexed vapor
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Might be causing it to shoot killed enemies or overcommit to targets.

hexed vapor
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It's pretty common in solo if you run sentry to not have ways of burning excess tool, because you cap out between every alarm.

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Tends to matter more how a sentry handles itself when going from 100 to 0, and if shotgun sentry can last most fights then you're mostly just gaining firepower.

nocturne flax
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I see what you mean

prisma zodiac
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yea

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if it works well enough it will become an option there

west crow
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But the reduced bullet cost should compensate for it

hexed vapor
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Possibly.

lavish wyvern
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how many months was between alt r2 and alt r3?

plush basin
lavish wyvern
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hm

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i see

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cant wait for r4 and r5

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especially r5

plush basin
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There are a couple expeditions on both I never finished first time round

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Hopefully the difficulty is somewhat similar to the original

lavish wyvern
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i personally think its going to be a little easier

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but just a little bit

plush basin
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I expect so too

prisma swan
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R5d2 pe is calling my name. Never was able to beat it

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Really not looking forward to r4b2 pe cause that was a nightmare if I’m remembering the right level

prisma zodiac
chilly ivy
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I highly doubt R4 will be with us after a similar time frame.

chilly ivy
balmy robin
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Maybe they meant R4D2

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Ah, the lovely ||rising fog||

prisma swan
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You right. It’s been so long I’ve tried to block out the trauma

icy pendant
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ok so now were playing R7C2 and the bot just wont go on the starting scans...

glass mirage
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yeah sometimes bots just go on strike like that, you've got a few options

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you can restart the host's game which should fix it, you can play without the bot until the scans are done, or you can use lfg to replace the bot

twin dirge
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team kill

prisma swan
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r4b2 was the mission where the overload objective was collecting the glps right? with the big room that was super easy to circle kite?

prisma swan
balmy robin
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The Reactor with a funky ending (and quite the journey of alarms to get there)

prisma swan
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i cant even remember if i even beat it. its been so long

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i wish i had screen capped the rundown when it was out so i could remember what i cleared. or if there was a way in game to see what i cleared

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wait was r5 d2 the one with the increasing level of alarms up till like class 10?

balmy robin
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Yes

plush basin
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R4D2

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R5D2 was the reactor

prisma swan
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i remember the rising fog on r4d2 but i cant remember r5d2

balmy robin
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Increasing level of alarms, Reactor, corrupted ending

plush basin
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R5D2 has quite a lot of giants in stealth, some alarms to get a key, then you go back to the start and do 4 quick waves on a reactor, one of which is one you pretty much need to fail a few times before getting the code

real moss
boreal carbon
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Jesus christ 3 bots is painful

half hornet
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Not really.

twin dirge
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you just have to adapt to them

boreal carbon
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Yeah no

half hornet
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They can aim and shoot... You can order them to use tools.
As far as stealth and holding defensive positions goes - they're alright.

But they're disgusting under pressure. Using Medkits on you with strikers up their ass, incapable of opening lockers, don't loot an ammo pack right next to them while they have an enemy in line of sight to shoot at...

atomic escarp
half hornet
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Whenever any sort of time sensetive objective / tactical maneuver comes up that requires people to spread out and loot the shit out of room - yeah, bots are fuckin worthless there.

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Hence my doomed R3A3 run. Death by no ammo.

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"Dauda, I need to run and enter this code! This room got like 4 ammo packs in it - just loot one!"
Dauda: Sleeper

boreal carbon
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I was doing R3B2

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They are useless

prisma zodiac
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eh the only thing you should even remotely have an issue with in there is the mom fight

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right tool setup makes everything else kinda free

boreal carbon
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Fog looting

prisma zodiac
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hm?

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fog turbine musicmommyThink ?

boreal carbon
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I mean there is always a delay with bots carrying turbines

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Also they are useless against sleeping giants

prisma zodiac
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just carry it yourself swatBlank

half hornet
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That is also true, yeah...

boreal carbon
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They do not take poison damage so they just run around

half hornet
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They just do not fear being punched at all.

prisma zodiac
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for giants. either shoot em, stealth around or just make them kill em (or mostly solo them)

boreal carbon
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They literally killed me in the mother fight

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I mean they are fine in other occasions

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But like fog and cell fetch plus neonate is just too much

chilly ivy
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My R3B2 run with bots will be public on YouTube soon. Feel free to copy some ideas.

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Except for the final alarm where I forgot to secure the door and enemy pathing in Zone 511 😂

boreal carbon
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oh no done it already

chilly ivy
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💪

fleet tundra
# boreal carbon Also they are useless against sleeping giants

There's a trick to getting them to help. Essentially:

  1. Bots won't do anything if a sleeper is glowing within a certain range. Always flashlight check anything remotely close.
  2. Make sure at least one bot is close to the giant first. From what I can tell bots don't charge a melee until they're next to an enemy. If you walk up to it and make it glow the bots will stop moving and won't be close to it so I usually get in position and then wait for them to be closer to give it a quick flash so I can hit the back of the head easy.
  3. Related to one, you absolutely can not make anything else start glowing nearby once you've started killing the giant. If you do they will just stand there since they have to pretend they can wake stuff up.

Following this I can stealth kill 19 out of 20 giants pretty easily with bots spawns permitting. One will usually get a hit in before it starts swinging its arms around allowing me to finish it off with a third hit.

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All in all, bots are bad at killing giants and require a stupid amount of setup to do so consistently but can do it.

bold widget
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why isnt Pmom screaming in D1 like in C1 :c

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also where is her death screech :c

echo geyser
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Everyone says the scream on R3C1 is scary but all I hear is a vacuum cleaner

fleet tundra
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It got me when I wasn't expecting it.

twin dirge
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as a fan of FNAF
it was pretty mid

atomic escarp
fossil jetty
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I was confused. Thought my team killed a mom really fast without me noticing and no setup

astral ferry
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burst cannon go brrr

fossil jetty
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Exactly

golden terrace
astral ferry
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slightly worse than pre-nerf scattergun two-shotting moms

raven flare
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could
r3c1 b possible
with bots?

atomic escarp
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I did it with bots

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they refused to extract, I went down, they all got into the extraction scan to revive me and extracted without me

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still got the completion so whatever

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Only harsh part of that map imho is the end, really

raven flare
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how long is it

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:^

real moss
atomic escarp
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my try? let me check

raven flare
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in average

real moss
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nah but for real thats 4 man team

raven flare
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im a bat player hah fuck u
...
im gonna take ham for this one

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yuck

real moss
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no clue with bots

atomic escarp
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37mins 43 secs

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I cleared a zone I didnt have to tbh so yeah 30-35mins more or less

calm coral
raven flare
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bat is based D:<

atomic escarp
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bat backwards is tab

raven flare
raven flare
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hah

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won

calm coral
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bro about windows codes

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I knew like most of them but I moved to macbook yesterday

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and I’m like

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actually a noob now

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literally unable to be productive lmao

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I’ll get used to it

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why tf are there shortcuts for shift, command, ctrl AND fn

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and combinations as well

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anyways

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at least it’s more challenging than r3

half hornet
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Anything that isn't hammer is based. Except spear too, but for different reasons.

calm coral
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knife is based

fallow wasp
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I wonder how it will affect past rundowns once scattergun is given back to the heathens

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Also let spear pierce through enemies in a line again and I will be a happy camper

hexed vapor
prisma zodiac
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Pubs will appear with the legendary 4 mag scattergun

hexed vapor
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You know, I didn't think there would ever be a level like R7D2, but R3D1...

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I can't believe we used to take 1 hour average on this.

olive shoal
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how far we've come

molten sedge
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In my defence, all 4 of us went in blind.

hexed vapor
molten sedge
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We did make it 1st try. Clueless though.

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R7D2 can be done really fast but I know what to do.

narrow gulch
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Took mine 45 first time

olive shoal
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first clear for me was 28 mins i think?

narrow gulch
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There's not really much time to waste on the level

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Error kinda pushes you through an already short level

winter wharf
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definitely depends how slow you're taking it, if you're looking for every resource to burn you'll probably take 40-45 minutes

nocturne flax
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beating a level fast doesnt mean its gonna be enjoyable

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always do whats more enjoyable

obtuse surge
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🤓

nocturne flax
fallow wasp
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They should put the big mother behind cover on d1

nocturne flax
fallow wasp
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Squad I went in with had it 75% dead before the door was open

nocturne flax
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be honorable

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nah im kidding they for real shoulda atleast put big chargers infront or something

glass mirage
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only cowards make the fight easier on themselves

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rise up to the challenge

nocturne flax
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but yeah if you want the actual fight dont cheese it

fallow wasp
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Hell yeah why do we ever make better weapons in mmos

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We should be killing things with actual toothpicks

glass mirage
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also cover would ruin the whole scene of the door opening and the mother being right there

glass mirage
errant vigil
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Glass window

deft kiln
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if it was just not an apex door it would be fine

fallow wasp
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I would argue it would be equally intimidating for it to suddenly sprint around the corner

deft kiln
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or if door just had an invisible wall while opening

nocturne flax
errant vigil
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Can't wait for R4E1 Extreme double shadow scout room cheese on every run

deft kiln
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yeah ofc mb

nocturne flax
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no like, no cap they cannot do that

fallow wasp
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I had no idea what was happening until they started blasting her ass

deft kiln
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wait actually

nocturne flax
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they either had to change the room itself

deft kiln
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oh yeah

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fucked that is fucked

nocturne flax
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if they add an invisible wall it will render the whole time, they cannot just unslap the invis wall

deft kiln
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i mean yeah the game isnt built for it

errant vigil
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Easy cheese counter put Cfoam on the warden door

fallow wasp
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I still vouch for pmother jump scare

nocturne flax
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in extreme

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and you cannot stop me

errant vigil
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Damn

nocturne flax
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I will too, shoot an entire mag of sniper into pmom fight

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you will suffer

fallow wasp
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I wonder if the bulkhead doors will say “warning, threat level extreme” over and over in alt rundown 4 and 5

errant vigil
glass mirage
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i really hope not

nocturne flax
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dont tell him

glass mirage
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i'm fine with them saying it once

nocturne flax
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dont tell him z

glass mirage
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but it was a little annoying for them to loop (even tho i only experienced this in mod rundowns

errant vigil
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It was annoying

nocturne flax
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no it wasnt

fallow wasp
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I enjoyed it

nocturne flax
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the LITERAL ONE LEVEL that had that been annoying was r4d2

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LITERALLY

glass mirage
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it depends on where the door is i guess, if you have to hang out near it for some reason

errant vigil
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Alright dragon no more bots ever

fallow wasp
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A little funny hearing the robot voice from 5 rooms away

nocturne flax
deft kiln
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dragon not allow to play with bots!!!

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what is he gonna do

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pub

nocturne flax
deft kiln
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play with the children. hog the 4 use medi

nocturne flax
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homeboys be permafoaming everything

deft kiln
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yeah honestly kinda not fun

errant vigil
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Ran a R2E1 lobby man cfoamed every ladder and had perfect booster

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Great experience

nocturne flax
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pubs overtime basically became whatever was easier to complete the level and that means using strats that are not fun or cheese that just stalls the game

errant vigil
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R7E1 is a pretty fun level

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Can't pub tho, absolute cringe fest

pliant pasture
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what's the cringe on R7E1?

twin dirge
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new players trying to kill Pablo

wary olive
errant vigil
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The beginning is also pretty slow

last gust
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I remember watching a stream of an r7e1 pub where people were earnestly and repeatedly insisting that the level was impossible without cheese

errant vigil
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Fighting pouncer and chargers on the scan is way more interesting

last gust
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they used most of the cheeses that ryk mentioned and still seemed like they were really struggling

twin dirge
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otherwise it is a good level

faint vapor
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whats the special percentage required to one shot sleepers body with hel rifle

errant vigil
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it already does

faint vapor
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with the hel gun?

errant vigil
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you said rifle

deft kiln
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Hel gun != hel rilfle

faint vapor
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my bad

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what about with the hel gun

narrow gulch
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24% ish but you can just headshot them

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(thats in range ofc)

atomic escarp
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Plot twist, the warden is mark zuckerborg

nocturne flax
unborn sorrel
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R7D2 ||Anyone got any strats for getting past spiky boys consistently if it coinflips them for the constant alarm near the start? Stealth never seems to work since they just spawn behind and I got dogpiled by like 8 big spikies, but focusing on clearing out the rooms also seems to be too slow before more just spawn in front anyway. Invisibles have been easy but spikies feels like 80% spawn and terminal RNG.||

hexed vapor
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never defend the hallway

plush basin
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I've never had them spawn behind at that section but I also seem to get shadow zone coin flip usually. If stealthing isn't working you could just put a turret facing the zone and blast it with a friend before they go back to holding the main wave

hexed vapor
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Huge wave penalty, and none of the resources are there.

plush basin
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Oh is that why they are back spawning

unborn sorrel
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the bridge?

hexed vapor
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Also, stealth person can just shoot everything.

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If they want to get through fast.

unborn sorrel
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when it's invisibles I usually quickly get code, then reset ammo & tool on the 3 holding bridge, then we clear out wave and redeploy back, but that definitely screws spiky spawns

olive shoal
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Don’t hold bridge

unborn sorrel
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idk, when I've gone hard and fast shoot everything it pulls the scouts and then I just get dogpiled by the scout wave as well as all the big ones

hexed vapor
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Scout waves shouldn't be that big of a deal, especially if one person breaks off.

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Charger scouts especially are very easy to kill w/ guns.

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Since the rooms are less densely populated.

unborn sorrel
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oh what spawns is different based on where you are as well?

hexed vapor
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Yes.

prisma zodiac
unborn sorrel
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it matters when I was trying to clear it fast to get to terminal and I'm solo up front

twin dirge
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it just makes it so you shoot 8 enemies instead of 5

hexed vapor
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Have bio break off to help you, then.

unborn sorrel
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but idk, I'll try the different holding point

hexed vapor
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Which is easy to do if you hold hub zone.

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
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I am a bit biased as well, for very experienced players your stealth player can usually just solo back spawns.

unborn sorrel
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well we doing 1 bot 3 players or 2 players 2 bots

hexed vapor
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I usually take BC or shotgun and just blast through everything.

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Except minibosses obv

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Although you can do that too, especially with c-foam trips.

unborn sorrel
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yeah this levels been making me take BC more, usually on the heavy levels I take smg/hel rev & arbalist/rev

hexed vapor
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If scout waves and smalls in general are a problem, I'd recommend shotgun personally.

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That way your special can clear small enemies very quickly.

unborn sorrel
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nah it's just when it pulls like 7 big spikies and they just run you down

hexed vapor
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As long as you're not on bridge that shouldn't happen, so you gucci.

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Most rooms charger side have 2-6 enemies.

unborn sorrel
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I can usually solo like 3 of them but yeah it just falls apart quick

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yeah, thanks for the hold suggestion though

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that level is super bait though, it's like the perfect place to sit and hold waves

robust marsh
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what level are we giving advice for?

hexed vapor
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Yeah, ik.

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My original clear we just speedran the fuck out of codes, and prayed.

unborn sorrel
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R7D2

hexed vapor
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Actually, not sure if we cleared it.

robust marsh
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oh R7D2

hexed vapor
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We kept dying to mom error when that was still bugged.

robust marsh
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what seems to be the problem?

hexed vapor
unborn sorrel
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yeah so far only one's haven't cleared is R2E1, R7D2 (and obvs R7E1)

robust marsh
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or the 3rd one

hexed vapor
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Yes.

unborn sorrel
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yeah first one

robust marsh
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ahhh i see

unborn sorrel
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it's just when it's spikies, invisibles have been a-ok

robust marsh
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you don't have to pull both

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oh nvm

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i didn't see the ,

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hmmmm

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hel weapons are good for them

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they also give you advantage on everything else

unborn sorrel
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I tried hel gun out, I usually take hel rev anyway, but was finding BC was doing more when it's lots of big ones

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but maybe that'll be different when the hold is moved

robust marsh
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you want to have a balance of both in R7D2

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burst cannon is great

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for big enemies

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but it does nothing for smalls

hexed vapor
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BC is fine for stealth, imo.

robust marsh
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making it so your secondary is just sitting and waiting

robust marsh
boreal tendon
hexed vapor
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You mostly face bigs and have a lot of control over when you end up in combat.

olive shoal
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bc is good for smalls LOL

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as long as you aren’t just bursting one small at a time

boreal tendon
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u literally are more efficient than shotgun if u kill 2 with 5 bullets

robust marsh
boreal tendon
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WHAT

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enough of gtfo-chat for me for today

olive shoal
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that makes even less sense

hexed vapor
#

BC do be kind of sluggish, ngl.

robust marsh
#

i feel like im missing something here...

olive shoal
#

ton of enemies in front, I guess the 5 smalls you could potentially kill in a burst just isn’t worth it

robust marsh
#

yes

#

not when you have other options that are better suited and more balanced between wave and big enemies in my opinion

#

ahem ahem combat shotgun and pump shotgun

robust marsh
olive shoal
#

I guess range is just not a concept around here

robust marsh
#

as a double shotgun certified No.

olive shoal
#

can’t say I use my bc like a shotgun but you do you brother

robust marsh
#

TO GLORY I GO

#

NO SLEEPERS SHALL PAST

prisma zodiac
#

burst cannon into a wave at medium range is good

#

Burst cannon vs smalls to self defend is actually hideous

unborn sorrel
#

yeah we've reached mom/dad one

olive shoal
#

Eva ur just making bad takes rn idk

unborn sorrel
#

currently I think we're just trying to put sentries behind and run through that zone as a group so we can kill mom

twin dirge
#

just burst cancel bro

unborn sorrel
#

but need to make sure we can get the spiky bit consistent honestly

olive shoal
#

I have many memories of bursting 5 sleepers in close range and simply just stepping out of lick range and it’s honestly fine lmao

robust marsh
prisma zodiac
robust marsh
#

those hold points

#

are the best ones

olive shoal
#

sure maybe a shotgun would do it better, but a shotgun literally ONLY works well close

robust marsh
#

and give you a good hold points

unborn sorrel
#

oh that part's the 3rd one you were on about?

robust marsh
olive shoal
#

Eva if you have yourself in a position like that I don’t think it’s the guns fault

atomic escarp
#

just spray

robust marsh
unborn sorrel
prisma zodiac
unborn sorrel
#

so far it's invisibles ez game spikies better return to lobby

prisma zodiac
#

cuz obviously burst cannon is fine in a team situation

robust marsh
prisma zodiac
#

the guns stupid strong

olive shoal
#

If you’re completely surrounded by enemies you’ve fucked something up somewhere

robust marsh
#

shotguns are good if you are not afraid of death

prisma zodiac
robust marsh
olive shoal
#

then why are you on scan ?

prisma zodiac
robust marsh
prisma zodiac
#

and i kinda wanna finish my scans

atomic escarp
# robust marsh yes but still

One thing is ammo efficiency, another is ttk, burst by burst you could miss one or two and they could hit you but that's supposed to be happening only if you're holding a wave alone

robust marsh
olive shoal
#

ok but you can step off scan and clear then go scan

hexed vapor
atomic escarp
#

ttk of BC on small is instantaneous but you miss one it takes a bit for the next burst, assuming you aren't hitting them from afar

hexed vapor
#

Unless you double bio, but mines are probably better.

olive shoal
#

Instead of throwing your run by putting yourself in a position where there’s a ton of enemies all around you

robust marsh
prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

Yes.

robust marsh
#

OH SHIT

#

ummm

#

hmmmmmmm

hexed vapor
#

You should absolutely have bio on the 3 holding, though.

unborn sorrel
#

we got bot on bio

prisma zodiac
#

burst cannon still decimates parts of waves

robust marsh
#

i did stealth about 3 times

#

so im out

prisma zodiac
#

but its not good in dealing with trickling/spaced enemies

#

but its power is so huge (and it has enough versatility) that this barely matters in teamplay

atomic escarp
#

I'd rather say that it isn't Great, but still good/decent ammo-wise (on killing smalls)

prisma zodiac
#

but those situations will always happen in solo

#

and they make it harder to deal with such situations in teamplay aswell.

Getting an average of 3 kills per burst means you only use it for the good situations (which is smart) but limits the guns usage. Contrary to burst cancel burst cannon that just was used 90% of the time

west crow
#

burst cannon efficiency is proportional to how high my mouse sensitivity is

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

Also, a big reason burst cancel was good despite having a long ass charge-up was that you could use it non-stop to thin waves.

twin dirge
#

it's not hard to control the recoil

west crow
#

it's more about spread than control

hexed vapor
#

You need to deal with charge-up less, now, but you have a significantly lower combat presence usually.

twin dirge
#

oh

atomic escarp
#

beep is right

west crow
#

im always right

atomic escarp
#

there ain't much to control it destroys smalls

prisma zodiac
#

Basically:
burst cannon is great at:
Thinning out bunched up smalls

Burst cannon is bad at:
Dealing with singular or heavily spread out smalls

#

burst cannon also isnt great if smalls got close to you at any point

west crow
#

that isn't entirely true

atomic escarp
#

I'd say that it is Inefficient at what you said it's bad

#

but I'd be nitpicking tbh

west crow
#

even in r4, it'd be better to full burst a crowd in front of you then to singular burst cancel every single sleeper

#

i'd argue them being right in front of you makes the spread easier to do

prisma zodiac
#

charge up can make it an issue to deal with enemies and possibly being aim punched

#

but ye

atomic escarp
#

I still think it's an incredibly solid/strong pick for most situations

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
#

since it complements any normal's that has a lack of firepower

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
#

Only reason I'd pick an HEL Gun instead is simply if there's already some BCs in the team

#

Or if I get bored 😄

prisma zodiac
#

its just not as great vs smalls as many people make it out to be

This is pretty noticeable in a lot of solos

prisma zodiac
twin dirge
#

smh my head

olive shoal
#

it’s pretty good vs smalls I think people just don’t know how to use it lol

west crow
#

Are these your solos

prisma zodiac
#

pretty good for a sniper type/heavy weapon
Yes

Pretty good in the grand scheme of thins (including shotguns/machine guns and such)
Eh. Id say no

twin dirge
#

burst cannon is the best gun in the game rn

prisma zodiac
#

its like scattergun in a way? Gun could easily kill a bunch of sleepers at once

but it was a „all at once“ kinda deal. And scatter didnt have the charge up

prisma zodiac
obtuse surge
#

are these solos in the room with us right now

west crow
#

The hel gun just isn't performing as well as it did in the past

As evident by and in a lot of these solos

#

I've honestly seen a lot more people using the arbalist

You can see it more often in these solos

olive shoal
#

LMFAO

twin dirge
#

solo run among us

last gust
#

hm, I don't really have an opinion on burst cannon, wasn't around for r4

#

but I can kinda see eva's point

olive shoal
#

it’s good if you don’t play it like it’s a shotgun

#

Or if you don’t dive into waves

#

but are many guns rlly gonna save you if you misplay like that

half hornet
#

I tried hip firing it into waves

last gust
#

even with the hel weaponry, sometimes I'd rather fight a room with a shotgun or a machinegun than a hel gun

half hornet
#

Doesn't work, kills 1 guy tops and the other 4 bullets miss every time

#

Horrible for anything smaller than a scout.

olive shoal
#

LOL

last gust
#

maybe it's skill issue and I screwed up because the enemies aren't in a nice funnel

#

but it happens often enough that I'm just killing an enemy in one direction, and then another in a very different direction, and repeat, and that's the most expedient or natural engagement

west crow
#

You're having difficulty funneling them?

last gust
#

sometimes yes, sometimes no

#

like if you're asking whether I can run off into another room or around some significant geometry or something and get a funnel, then sure, that's doable

#

but not always the best action or an action without cost

west crow
#

You don't have to kite them to get a funnel

last gust
#

not every scenario is alarm scans with enemies filing in through exactly one door

west crow
#

You got an example, I can't think of one off the top of my head

last gust
#

I don't know, r2e1 error?

west crow
#

Not really an alarm scan

last gust
#

yeah exactly

olive shoal
#

Are we still talking about solo

last gust
#

I wasn't ever talking about solo

#

I guess last time I got sweaty about solos was when I was speedrunning r6b1

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which was a lot more comfortable with a pump shotgun than a hel gun

subtle vault
#

Me when I saw the new patch notes

west crow
#

He's soyjacking

twin dirge
#

"not removed when intended" is pretty funny

#

imagine R7E1 reactor with Pablo

last gust
#

one person parks pablo a few rooms away, 3 people play reactor

#

I'd conscientiously object to doing the duo I guess

olive shoal
last gust
#

true

west crow
#

Dimension swaps just weren't killing things properly

olive shoal
#

burst cannon works so well because you can use it at a lot of ranges and melt sleepers, even without burst cancel in r4 i probs would take it to hold reactor if I’m not feeling the revo

#

Because its really good at helping you recover as well

pliant shard
#

Common Gerz W

olive shoal
#

you dodge tongues and melt 5 sleepers per burst

#

being surrounded by enemies is always gonna be a bad situation, im not sure why that’s even brought up because every gun will suffer in that situation

#

That’s more on the player than the guns u brought

#

Thinking like that is kinda funny

west crow
#

Gerz is always correct and valid

#

Best opinions

last gust
#

I don't know, sometimes "being surrounded by enemies" is just the level

#

maybe I'm playing that r2e1 error poorly (I mean obviously, I haven't finished it yet)

#

but having to kill off an error spawn that showed up late from one direction, while another error spawn showed up early in the other, and a room of sleepers just got woken up, and etc etc, just feels like the flow of the level

west crow
#

Isn't r7e1 the perfect example of them funneling from one direction

last gust
#

oops r2e1

olive shoal
#

he means r2e1

west crow
#

I'll help you with r2e1 😀

olive shoal
#

But like obviously burst cannon close range is not the most ideal, but it still puts in work

last gust
#

yeah r7e1 has no waveclear anyway, terrible example

twin dirge
#

R87B178

last gust
olive shoal
#

beep is rlly good at that

west crow
#

Who are you duoing with

last gust
#

ahto

#

he streams fairly often when we duo

west crow
#

Very funny how both your usernames are just random letters

last gust
#

lol fair cop

west crow
#

Duo made in heaven

prisma zodiac
#

ahto just misstyped the german word for car

#

cant believe that wasnt obvious

last gust
#

I'm not about to say "gun bad, enemies surround you at all times" or whatever

#

I could also be saying "burst cannon busted, top 2 gun" not long from now

olive shoal
#

it’s best gun in the game

#

For sure

prisma zodiac
#

easily top 2

last gust
#

I tried to give examples of niche situations where I might not want hel gun too, and I think I very rarely don't want hel gun

#

soloing mommy I guess, that's kind of a pain with hel gun

prisma zodiac
#

tbf the situations where burst cannon is weakest are where more specific guns shine

like sniper vs hybrids/giants
or combat shotty vs close up smalls

#

but in both of those situations any other player and or your main gun can cover easily

olive shoal
#

As host I can do pretty much everything hel gun can do with bc

hexed vapor
#

That's cap

olive shoal
#

it’s not Smile

prisma zodiac
#

chargers
shooters
Flyers

#

singular enemies

olive shoal
#

me when my main weapon exists

prisma zodiac
#

kappa smash locks

prisma zodiac
last gust
olive shoal
#

all the things you listed I can clear with main weapon

#

and chargers I can also burst I just kill less of them

#

I would say it’s the best gun in the game and hel gun is a close 2nd

prisma zodiac
#

and you can do the same while maximizing efficiency even more with hel gun and main comboing

hel gun has a way better dmg profile for if you wanna take that consideration

#

but hel gun obviously cant get covered for boss dmg

#

thats just burst cannon domination

last gust
#

just on the numbers, even getting 2 chargers per burst with burst cannon seems fine

prisma zodiac
#

i mean you cant get more than 2 in 1 burst KEKLEO

last gust
#

2 and leave a third on 10hp

olive shoal
#

or just burst as many as you can once and finish with main weapon?

last gust
#

like, if you can fire into a horde and get all 5 rounds to land (helps to be host here?) then burst cannon seems pretty strong against charger waves

olive shoal
#

It’s easier to get value on hel gun, sure, but you can definitely perform better with burst cannon if you know how to use it

hexed vapor
#

I think a big strength of the HEL Gun is that it is still very strong when used for granularity.

obtuse surge
#

but the bullrushes

#

the 2 per kill makes it a lot worse immediately

#

unless its the big bullrushes

west crow
#

It's a bullrusher 🤓

#

Not bullrushe 🤓

olive shoal
#

it depends on the range tho

#

obviously close range that is gonna not be ideal

west crow
#

I don't think I've heard you call something ideal gerz

hexed vapor
#

Trying it a little in A3, and it does actually seem kind of cracked.

olive shoal
#

SEE

hexed vapor
#

You can hit a lot of stuff in a burst pretty easily.

prisma zodiac
#

Reactors (enemies lining up) are probably the ideal situation for it vs smalls

hexed vapor
#

It is for HEL Gun, too, though.

prisma zodiac
#

yep

olive shoal
#

I mean no one is saying hel gun is bad

#

people were saying bc is bad vs smalls

prisma zodiac
#

because its good vs smalls in specific situations

olive shoal
#

Not rlly

#

I feel like we’ve been over this and u don’t seem to get it so

nocturne flax
#

Bc users throwing their mouse to thw wall by accident trying to kill 3 smalls in one sweep

olive shoal
#

a real workout tbh

daring pilot
#

Me

prisma zodiac
#

Beth.
Is it good if they shop up in groups of 1 or 2?
is it good if they space out?
Is it good if they come around a corner suddenly? (charge time :>)

#

those are all pretty common situations

olive shoal
#

common situations you can control?

#

Main weapon btw

prisma zodiac
#

burst cannon is rly good if you know how to sweep through a coming wave or a bunched up group

olive shoal
#

I don’t sit there around corners with bc out cause I’m not stupid

prisma zodiac
# olive shoal Main weapon btw

same main weapon that appearantly made current high cal as good/better vs chargers compared to before when the actual ammo economy is way worse? The time delay aside

last gust
#

argument seems to be whether you can manage the engagement by trimming isolated ones with main and getting good bursts off on bunched enemies

olive shoal
#

Typically I like to play around the weapons I use

last gust
#

often enough, anyway

prisma zodiac
#

Also repeating your point

No one said burst cannon is bad

olive shoal
#

I don’t treat all my long range weapons like shotguns

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also people literally said it’s bad vs smalls and I was disputing that

prisma zodiac
last gust
#

fwiw I feel like I just need to play with it a bunch and get back to you on it

nocturne flax
olive shoal
#

LMAO

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

I am struggling with A3 a bit more w/ BC than HEL Gun, but it's surprisingly close.

#

Consider especially I'm using it as my main wave clear.

nocturne flax
#

Whats the poop topic about

#

Bc vs smalls?

prisma zodiac
#

Bc vs smalls

specifically bc vs smalls that arent straight lining/bunched up

nocturne flax
#

On a group ill call you a clown

#

On solo and stuff i can see its value

#

If your good with the gun obviously

olive shoal
#

which people apparently aren’t

#

So

nocturne flax
#

But you might as wrll use your primary

#

More reliable

nocturne flax
prisma zodiac
#

basically
burst cannon isnt good vs smalls that arent bunch/stacked/lined up

so you use your main. Which is obviously the smart play
And since one of burst cannons 2 "weaker" points can be dealt with quite easily the gun is just rly rly good

hidden crater
prisma zodiac
#

but burst cannon by ITSELF isnt good vs smalls in those common situations

nocturne flax
#

You guys dont 90% charge cancel with burst canon all the time?

#

Im always prepared

hidden crater
#

Burst canon is for when the brrr isn't enough kaboom

olive shoal
#

why is the argument about bc by itself

nocturne flax
#

Yeah

hexed vapor
#

Guys, we need to solve this quickly

#

R4 is only 3 months away

olive shoal
#

LMAO

hidden crater
nocturne flax
hexed vapor
#

I need to learn my sweat loadout before it's too late.

olive shoal
#

I mean hel gun is still good

prisma zodiac
nocturne flax
hidden crater
#

Oh yeah if this is about burst v smalls then I wouldn't recommend it, it's not very ammo efficient for that

nocturne flax
#

Bro we gonna separate all the things now

olive shoal
#

oh my god I’m gonna scream

prisma zodiac
#

You arguing that you use the main to fill in the gaps of burst cannon vs smalls/flyers and such, litteraly proves that point

olive shoal
#

Why am I in this hell

#

Who put me here

hexed vapor
hidden crater
hexed vapor
#

An alarming amount of it.

prisma zodiac
last gust
#

...this really is going around in circles

nocturne flax
#

Primaries are the cheeseburuer
Specials are the fries
Tools are the drinks

#

Hella combo

#

Double quarter poundee

prisma zodiac
#

i have just been trying to bring accross the point that its strength vs smalls is specific and is lacking in common scenarios (repeat above argument x10)

olive shoal
#

if there’s split up smalls I will use main to stagger or kill the smaller splits

prisma zodiac
olive shoal
#

And then burst cannon the rest

hidden crater
prisma zodiac
last gust
olive shoal
#

oh my god

prisma zodiac
#

And i agreed with you that burst cannon is rly good at dealing with bunched up smalls

hidden crater
prisma zodiac
#

making it a busted as hell gun

olive shoal
#

It’s better than hel gun

#

You are just bad

hidden crater
#

It's good as

Hell

olive shoal
#

and your argument makes no sense

prisma zodiac
#

both of those points are arguable

last gust
prisma zodiac
#

but thanks for making such a great and profound point beth

hidden crater
#

Why don't you just kill me

olive shoal
#

When am I ever gonna be using a single gun and ignoring the rest of my loadout

#

unless I’m doing a gimmick run

hidden crater
olive shoal
#

Yeah I am

hidden crater
#

What's wrong with you

prisma zodiac
# olive shoal and your argument makes no sense

My argument:

Quoting beth:
"If theres split up smalls i will use main to stagger or kill the smaller splits"

Analysis:
Burst cannon isnt great vs split up smalls. Which is why you would use the main for that

last gust
olive shoal
#

It depends on the amount of split up smalls tho

#

if it’s a lot I will simply gather them and then burst cannon

last gust
olive shoal
#

You aren’t wrong but you can also avoid these situations by using ur brain

prisma zodiac
#

if anybody posts a clip of doing a 360 and killing 5 smalls placed perfectly in a pentagon around them. Then ill ... give them a pat on the back or smth

olive shoal
#

if you’re in that situation you misplayed badly

#

If you’ve got enemies on all sides

#

That’s not on the gun to save you

prisma zodiac
nocturne flax
#

Hold on ill made up a situation that validates my argument

#

I gotchu

last gust
#

honestly @prisma zodiac I think we should just go away and put some more time into burst cannon or something

#

rather than just torturing gerz forever

olive shoal
#

This is agonising

prisma zodiac
hidden crater
olive shoal
#

yeah but you take like 4 shots to kill each small so how well does that work out for you eva

prisma zodiac
#

what? you 1 or 2 tap them

olive shoal
#

I know

#

That’s why I said you

prisma zodiac
#

???

last gust
#

like if it's an everything gun then we'll all be memeing on it in like 2 weeks time and asking 10cc to buff poor hel gun

olive shoal
#

I’m tired of this argument anyway

last gust
#

the hope was that removing burst cancel would put burst cannon into its own lane

prisma zodiac
#

beth appearantly saying i suck so bad that i need 4 shots per sleeper with a combat shotty regularly or what swatBlank

last gust
#

sounds like it probably doesn't

olive shoal
#

Maybe I become a full time troll instead of part time

hidden crater
prisma zodiac
#

i have to tell ya
i need at least 13 shots per small enemy with high cal kappa

nocturne flax
#

Burst canceling was just one of the many components that made it good

#

You guys are just too young

last gust
hidden crater
#

It goes against my nature

nocturne flax
west crow
hidden crater
#

R2*

last gust
prisma zodiac
#

tbf im amused that beth is reenacting the famous patrick and mantaray meme with me

nocturne flax
olive shoal
#

your argument is just so like

#

I don’t even know

west crow
#

For something famous I've never heard of it

nocturne flax
prisma zodiac
olive shoal
#

it feels like ur arguing nothing because it can be counteracted by picking a good loadout?

last gust
west crow
#

Which rundown did you start playing black dragon

olive shoal
#

Or using a little bit of brainpower

hidden crater
prisma zodiac
#

im saying. The need of it being counteracted with a good loadout, means that its not good in isolation in those scenarios we talked about

hidden crater
olive shoal
#

or not even better loadout I mean like

#

ok but is hel gun gonna be good on it’s own eva

nocturne flax
olive shoal
#

Surrounded by enemies

#

no it won’t

prisma zodiac
#

wait did you take my pentagon meme as a real argument?

olive shoal
#

So the gun sucks

nocturne flax
#

I love you beep

west crow
#

I played in the private beta 🤓

#

Actually I played in the 2018 event showcase 🤓

prisma zodiac
#

i didnt even talk about that regarding hel gun beth swatBlank

tho the base point of when an enemy runs through you (shitty striker behaviour) is dealable with hel gun, but not with burst cannon (if you dont run away)

olive shoal
#

Why didn’t you shoot him before he got to you?

west crow
#

He's wave stalling

#

Darkeva is correct and based 🙏

atomic escarp
olive shoal
#

LMFAO

half hornet
prisma zodiac
west crow
#

Another darkeva W

prisma zodiac
#

theres no reload timings?

atomic escarp
#

wish I had D4 skill

west crow
olive shoal
#

eva I’m not bursting a single enemy

prisma zodiac
nocturne flax
#

I blow my whole load into a striker once

olive shoal
#

i don’t see an enemy 500 metres away and start pulling out my combat shotgun

nocturne flax
#

Wait this is still the bc argument

prisma zodiac
#

idk, beth seems to not get the argument they themselves made earlier

west crow
#

Pretty sure they just dimension teleport you into walls at that point

olive shoal
#

no I perfectly get it

last gust
olive shoal
#

I just don’t understand why you’re arguing the way you are arguing

atomic escarp
#

I love getting licked around corners

prisma zodiac
olive shoal
#

Because it makes every gun sound bad in that case

prisma zodiac
#

sucks

prisma zodiac
west crow
atomic escarp
nocturne flax
west crow
#

It's the first thing when I open up gtfo

prisma zodiac
#

i have been talking about the point you made regarding the main compensating for burst cannon -> burst cannon being weaker and needing said compensation in the first place

nocturne flax
#

I only play levels with big shooters on

half hornet
#

Scrolling chat rooms are not great for debates, it cannot be 🤯

west crow
#

How many levels have big shooters

prisma zodiac
#

all the time or by chance

half hornet
#

Should I add fuel to the fire or...

last gust
#

can we go back to asking why they didn't buff carbine in the same patch where they brought back the hel specials and burst cannon

west crow
#

All at once

atomic escarp
nocturne flax
#

Hella ass tho

west crow
#

Can you shoot the big shooters paytas

hexed vapor
#

"Is PR or Sniper better?" vs. "is HEL Gun or BC more overtuned?"

olive shoal
#

I’m gonna cry man

last gust
#

that's just silly

#

BC v hel gun is a somewhat sensible argument

#

we all know PR is a strictly better sniper

#

kills scouts and gets like 5 extra rounds per clip

prisma zodiac
#

i mean sniper is good vs smalls. Just wip our your main and deal with them

olive shoal
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you did ignore my actual argument tho eva

atomic escarp
olive shoal
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Which is gather the split enemies

west crow
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Eva can you agree that while the burst cannon can be limited in close quarters, people who know how to use it can use it past its limitations

olive shoal
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And then bc

hidden crater
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Smalls have health

olive shoal
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But arguing about guns on their own feels so pointless cause when am I ever gonna only have to use that gun

hidden crater
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Today

prisma zodiac
# olive shoal Which is gather the split enemies

which depends on the situation. If you dont mind loosing the times/for extra enemies to spawn obviously

but again, having to shift playstyle because the gun cant deal with it means its not as good as others in that situation

olive shoal
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It’s arguing complete theoreticals that don’t matter

prisma zodiac
olive shoal
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Not everything is a speedrun my god

west crow
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Can you stop trolling me Eva

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You're breaking my heart

hexed vapor
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It depends on if the playstyle shift is actually a limitation, and in case of both HEL Gun and BC it's really not.

olive shoal
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with literally any gun

hexed vapor
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Neither is particularly situational, or at least I don't feel that way after trying some BC

olive shoal
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I’m backing away

hexed vapor
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Still died wave 4 btw

prisma zodiac
# west crow You're breaking my heart

unironically

its definetly a rly good gun if you dont care about shifting the playstyle for it. So if you are good with it you can extend around it a lot

But my point was that its not "good" vs smalls. At least in standard to other special guns in the quite common situations i talked about since you need to shift your playstyle to deal with those

prisma zodiac
last gust
prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
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Wouldn't the question be more-so, in-game, does BC lose significant performance when you have to deal with split enemies.

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It probably loses some, because weapon switching is fairly inconvenient, but I think in most situations you could still clean out large chunks of waves.

half hornet
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Nah. You can't.

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I'm yet to kill more than 2 strikers at once.

olive shoal
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ok but other people have

hexed vapor
prisma zodiac
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agreeing there ray

Burst cannon basically deals with 1 version/situation of smalls well. You can enforce that quite often, but not always. And a lot of the time enforcing that situation will cost smth, even if the cost is often ignoreable

last gust
hexed vapor
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If the cost is often ignorable, though, that means meta-wise it's very potent.

half hornet
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I'm serious.

prisma zodiac
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yep

half hornet
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I tried.

olive shoal
prisma zodiac
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ive never said anything contrary to that @hexed vapor

west crow
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I don't know I've see a lot of burst cannons being used very effectively

At least in these solos of late

half hornet
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Fucking thing doesn't work against anything that's a big guy.

olive shoal
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are you rlly gonna be able to kill a wave of enemies with any of those guns without taking a bunch of licks

hexed vapor
last gust
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the argument appears to be over whether BC is busted or giga-busted

half hornet
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Using 100 damage to kill 20 HP parasite is oof

west crow
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Common rayalot W here

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It's why he's getting the girls

olive shoal
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It’s hands down best gun in the game and if anyone tells u otherwise they are wrong

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they are incorrect

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False even

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
west crow
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I'm waiting

hexed vapor
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I'm off my game rn

west crow
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I cant start ovulating until you do rayalot

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So please hurry

hexed vapor
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That's why Scatter was so cracked

last gust
prisma zodiac
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And since i personally value general anti small/charger power i consider hel gun slightly better

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
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Also, just in general, the majority of heavily overtuned weapons historically have been overtuned because they're stepping wildly far out of their respective niches, of which Scatter is a good example.

atomic escarp
last gust
prisma zodiac
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R6 sniper is also a good example there yea

gun gaining 50% ammo buff and basically 100% more per refill made it insane

west crow
hexed vapor
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Sure, but meta-wise low amounts of small enemies are not typically a big deal.

prisma zodiac
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since it started being unironically great vs chargers and decent to kill smalls

last gust
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though I think post-nerf scattergun was fine, to be clear

nocturne flax
hexed vapor
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Like, in DRG, you might argue that PGL or BC on Engi has very poor granularity, but they're still considered extremely strong wave clear.

olive shoal
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ok but black dragon when are u gonna be using only one gun

prisma zodiac
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havent played DRG yet Sadge (will start this weekend prob)

nocturne flax
olive shoal
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TRUE

west crow
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You misspelled bullpup

nocturne flax
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I only need 2 ammo uses and crack

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I should be good for 3 zones

hexed vapor
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Actually, to summarize how I'm thinking about this...

olive shoal
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me holding r4e1 reactor solo

west crow
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As long as you're not staring at a wall somewhere

hexed vapor
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I don't think poor granularity necessarily means it's not good for smalls.

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It just means that, as far as its usage is concerned, it has poor granularity.

olive shoal
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eva is like

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UR PICKING A SPECIFIC SCENARIO

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then he picks a specific scenario

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like ok man

prisma zodiac
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beth forgetting the 5 scenarios i gave out 💀

olive shoal
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u mean the one where theyre split or the one where theyre all around u

nocturne flax
olive shoal
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im no mathematician but thats at least 2

prisma zodiac
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but hell na, you answering with "you are bad" is a great point then KEKW

olive shoal
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i mean

nocturne flax
hexed vapor
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It just depends on how important it is to have that aspect of versatility.

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And whether or not BC does actually have it or not.

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I'll have to use it as host more tbh, I didn't like it in R7D2 I'll say, but I don't know if I was aiming it correctly.

west crow
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Stop perioding me

olive shoal
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its because he likes u beep

hexed vapor
olive shoal
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hes dropping signals

prisma zodiac
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  1. enemies trickling in
  2. singular enemies
  3. being surrounded (not by 10+, but even 1 or 2 being behind you )
  4. enemies being split while approaching (in a roughly 90 degree angle)

ok the "5th" was moreso me pointing out enemies that its not as great vs, (flyers, shooters, chargers.(babies kappa ))

olive shoal
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enemies trickling in its still good?

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singular enemies ok sure thats where the main weapon comes in

prisma zodiac
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vs 2 enemies, then 2 enemies, then 3 enemies, then 1 ?

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ayo beep that pick was nice

olive shoal
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killing 2 per burst is still more ammo efficient than something like shotgun so its not even bad