gtfo-spoiler-chat

[last gust]

anyway, it seems like you have a fair bit of content left

[fresh bronze]

none of my team want to do r2d2 because the level is pretty much trash

[last gust]

wha...?

[prisma zodiac]

Its very much fun tho

[fresh bronze]

we literally played it once, realized it was a memorization level and decided nah

[last gust]

haha immediately "d4rkeva is typing"

[fresh bronze]

prob wont play it for that exact reason

[prisma zodiac]

experience helps

You get more than enough time tho

[fresh bronze]

experience helps is a nice joke the entire level is just a memorization meme

[nocturne flax]

You dont really memorize things in this game tbh

[last gust]

but seriously, r2d2 is great

[fresh bronze]

play through the level then lose because you cant find a terminal thats hidden in fog while on a timer

[nocturne flax]

you kinda just learn the objectives, then on a blind playtrough you just kinda assume whats gonna be in the next zone/room

[fresh bronze]

its great gameplay

[nocturne flax]

use terminal to find terminal

hella skill issue

that means you dont have the basics down

[fresh bronze]

my favorite kind of gameplay is gameplay based around not knowing where something is

[nocturne flax]

ping it

[fresh bronze]

nah man its shit design

[plush basin]

Nah tbf the final terminal you need is kinda well hidden

[last gust]

to be fair the terminals for the last terminal code round are both deep, and close to one another

[plush basin]

There isn't an early terminal to ping it from I'm aware of

[last gust]

but still, I don't agree with the criticism

[fresh bronze]

any level based around a reactor type sequence or error alarm is already be default worse than other levels

muchless a terminal hunt

[last gust]

r2d2 is like one of the only levels in r2 that made me feel anything, tbh

[fresh bronze]

d1 had the same problem and I just dont care for it

its not fun so i wont play it

[last gust]

I think I like r2c2 a little more, but r2d2 is really good

[fresh bronze]

if the devs can make a fun level ill play it otherwise im good

[plush basin]

Those are actually my favourite types of level funnily enough

[fresh bronze]

not my cup of tea

ive disliked every single one of them except r7d2

[last gust]

lol, again I couldn't disagree more

[prisma zodiac]

You also get 20 min 😐

[last gust]

I think I'm an error alarm junkie, but still

error alarms do so much to break the game out of its "stealth through zone, then do alarm scan in one room, then more stealth" default loop

[plush basin]

I'm just conceding that knowing where it is ahead of time does give a sizeable advantage on that one in particular

[fresh bronze]

r7d2 is the only level in the game where a error alarm is done in a fun way the rest of them I could completely care less for or are more or less just not fun sections

[prisma zodiac]

What black dragon says is kinda true

Its a basic skill to use terminals to find terminals. A blind reactor is a lot of fun to go through. And memorizing helps but isnt needed

[plush basin]

Yes you get a lot of time but if a team is stretched and struggling already 🤷‍♂️

[prisma zodiac]

i mean then they are supposed to fail

if you struggle you are more likely to fail

thats… gtfo

you get better and struggle less

[fresh bronze]

im plenty good with terminals but i dont care for levels where knowing the map changes the gameplay to such a intense degree

[plush basin]

Sure, but if they knew the terminal location they may not ever fail

[fresh bronze]

ive played enough games where memorization is a massive part of it and I dont feel like playing more

end of story its boring and not fun

[plush basin]

I'm not saying it's a bad gameplay loop, I like the incremental progression. But I see Subtonix's point

[prisma zodiac]

@fresh bronze i think the thing for many here is that you said r2d2 without knowledge = bad and with = worse

While i for example would say. Without expierence = exciting, with knowledge = gets a bit boring

[fresh bronze]

i dont even want to spend a hour doing it is how uninterested in that level i am its the exact reason i will never do the overload for d1

its just not a fun level

[prisma zodiac]

So i agree that it gets worse with memorizing

[plush basin]

Blind runs are the most fun

[prisma zodiac]

Oh r7d1. Thats a fun objective at the end tho. And you get time to learn it all

[fresh bronze]

ending was my least favorite part of the level

least favorite part of any level lmfao

[plush basin]

What's your favourite level sub?

[last gust]

I'm getting the feeling that subtonix just wants to chill in a level and choose when the alarms happen

which is fine, but you'll grow out of it if you play more

[fresh bronze]

i enjoy levels with shooting if the shooting if fun and not just shoot then run a terminal real quick and shoot some more

its just not fun

[plush basin]

The shooting is more fun if there are red circles?

[last gust]

if you're not shooting to some end goal, isn't the shooting more likely to be boring?

[fresh bronze]

alarms last minutes

even c3s end section feels forced and just not fun

r7 c3s

[plush basin]

So you prefer a contrast of shooting and stealth spaced out more?

[prisma zodiac]

r7c3 isnt overtly fun unless you do overload tbf

[plush basin]

Again, curious what your favourite level is

To get an idea for what design you like

[fresh bronze]

dont really have a favorite level is the thing

there are parts of levels i like

and parts i dont like

[plush basin]

Or just a level you like then

[fresh bronze]

love the beginning of r7c3 and its secondary but the ending is hella mid and so anticlimatic compared to the beginning

[prisma zodiac]

so… stealth?

[fresh bronze]

r7b2s secondary was pretty fun when i first played it and still is

just interesting designs to levels rather than the same shit over and over again

almost every error feels way to samey even compared to the stealth of the game

[last gust]

hmm, I think a lot of people regard r7b2 as the very definition of "a level that exists"

[fresh bronze]

that a alarm is no where near as rewarding if the only reason you fail it was because your bad at shooting rather than lack of preparation or something along those lines

r7 e1 is a fucking amazing level so far with what ive seen blind

altho the sudden teleport was kinda bullshit lmfao

[last gust]

lol, I'm a bit of an r7e1 sympathizer, though it might be stockholm syndrome from the duos

but r7e1 is not exactly a fan favourite among the vets

[fresh bronze]

r7e1 is just interesting and even without the immortal its still different in the way it treats the progression of the level

[prisma zodiac]

How far did you get?

[real moss]

Yeah this makes no sense if you hate R2D2 you are not liking R7E1

[prisma zodiac]

theres been a lot of different errors in how you tackle and play around them. Even including quick reactor waves

[real moss]

You did not make it past room scan

[prisma zodiac]

Psst

[fresh bronze]

so far to the teleport where we got caught off gaurd but thats mostly cause only get to play once or twice a week

we got past room scan

[prisma zodiac]

They did on teleport afaik dna

and are blind

so no spoils

[real moss]

What? you not telling me there is logic

[fresh bronze]

died to the teleport because it teleported us and we immediatly fired having had no clue there was a teleport incoming

[real moss]

Ok ok

even if we in the SPOILER chat !

[fresh bronze]

i know enough about the end of the level

already talked with other people about it

at the time it was blind its not blind anymore

[real moss]

So how can you be: yeah this reactor I like ?

[fresh bronze]

havent played it yet

probably wont like it

i said so far did i not

[last gust]

wrt r7e1:
I like the first scan
I like the arena scan (though in duos we don't go in with foam, so we can't foam cheese the door, so the scan gets to be actually fun)
I hate basically everything between the first scan and the arena scan (especially babysitting pablo, which I think was a level design mistake)
I could take or leave the teleport
there are aspects of the rest of the level that I think are fine and even tense and enjoyable, but other aspects which I think are, frankly, too tame for an e1

[real moss]

so far you have said you like shooting yet you dislike any heavy shooting part of levels. Imo you like the stealth more

[fresh bronze]

i do like stealth more

not denying it

but i do also like shooting if its done well

r7d2 did a shooting based level extremely well

some of the most fun ive had in the game was that level

[real moss]

I think Good reactors are the best thing there is in this game.

Bad reactors (R1C1) are a waste of time

[fresh bronze]

my problem is most of the damn reactors in the game just are not interesting

[real moss]

R7D2 is pretty fun but lacks urgency

[fresh bronze]

yeah to much resource

end section there is 100% chance you can just spam heals the whole run to extract because there are probably 60 uses of med scattered everywhere atleast

[real moss]

R2D2, R4B1sec, R5B1ovl, R7E1,R4D1, R6D3PE were very good reactors

are*

[fresh bronze]

i cant say anything for r4 and r6 that far in

but i know i dont enjoy d2 its just not a fun level or concept for me

none in my group seem to enjoy it either

[real moss]

I feel like you guys died at the end and just gave up. There is nothing wrong with R2D2.

[fresh bronze]

i say concept with heavy airquotes, its r1c1 with running to terminals

[last gust]

tbh I think r7e1's reactor is a bit weak

[prisma zodiac]

tbf game kinda hints at it multiple times

[last gust]

like, some of the codes are pretty good, but the waves really should've been more substantial

[prisma zodiac]

I mean i also asked people to not spoil r3 before a

[real moss]

But that changes the whole dynamic. Really the only fault I can give R2D2 is that it gives you too much time to reach the terminals

[real moss]

I will not spoil you tomorrow afternoon

[real moss]

I agree on the waves, but the timing on the codes is done right

[fresh bronze]

already had this conversation with someone else but a quick summary, no one in my team even noticed the text popup because we where kinda busy shooting what we thought was the last wave of chargers for the room scan so we could take a moment to get our barings

the teleport was so jaring and sudden even with the very subtle hint

[real moss]

Hey meaby they change it up this time insert copium image here

[prisma zodiac]

Its r1c1 with hurried (timed) stealth sections

Dont boil it down to „memorize“ terminals. Its about quick stealth

[fresh bronze]

gotta be pretty perceptive to notice that you are going to tp and have time to make your team stop firing if they dont notice not to mention no other level in r7 have teleport areas with sleepers to add to that

[real moss]

Nah tbh first teleport I shot as well

But it's true it's communicated beforehand to the player

My fault, my wipe

[fresh bronze]

i think every single one of my team mates shot lmfao

[prisma zodiac]

its a hard one. But its def possible with 4 players

its an e level, be on your toes

[real moss]

well if it was not possible with 4 players it would not really be fair innit? 😂

[fresh bronze]

hurried stealth sections are not interesting enough to justify the nonsense of the level

[real moss]

what nonsense tho?

[fresh bronze]

the terminals are nonsense combined with generally the map choice and the fog addition

[real moss]

Fog used to be infected

Terminals you just ping them from another one. that's BASIC gtfo and thus skill issue

[prisma zodiac]

To notice the message*

[fresh bronze]

yeah sure call it that if you want its not the locations of terminals im complaining about its having to hunt them down and then make it back

[prisma zodiac]

thats not an explanation

[fresh bronze]

navigation in this game with multiple floors is already painful

[last gust]

it isn't even just hurried stealth -- it's hurried busting open zones, stealth and/or going loud to clear zones depending on time (you probably won't have the res to always go loud), locating res, locating code, possibly doing alarms, setting up for said alarms, finding keys, in some reactors doing blood doors, etc.

[real moss]

Again you get WAY more time than needed

[prisma zodiac]

look at it like r7c1 fog terminal area

Gotta fast clear a zone for ressources and the right terminal

[fresh bronze]

that doesnt make it fun though

you can have all the time in the world if its just running back and forth its not fun

its just not fun and thats all there is to it

[prisma zodiac]

Thats litteraly gtfos stealth gameplay

[real moss]

I agree that R2D2 lacks urgency but that's what it is about

pressure test

[fresh bronze]

most levels not counting early levels have some added layer that make it interesting

r2d2 lacks that

time pressure isnt interesting

its just another form of difficulty that should be used with something else

[last gust]

I'd tend to argue the opposite, tbh

[real moss]

Ok so what is a GOOD deep level ?

[fresh bronze]

the difficulty of that level is navigating all the nonsense and not wanting to cut my wrist 20 minutes in knowing i have the rest of the level to do

[real moss]

R7D2? that's literally running and coming back

[last gust]

like, what's the added layer that makes r7b2sec interesting?

[prisma zodiac]

r7b2 is litteraly just stealth, alarm, stealth, alarm

[real moss]

R7B2 is trash all around tbh

[fresh bronze]

its a early in the rundown level

[prisma zodiac]

mediocore*

[real moss]

Very boring

[fresh bronze]

i dont even remember whats in it lmfao

[last gust]

I'm asking about a level that subtonix expressed a taste for

[raven flare]

mediano :]

[prisma zodiac]

you said you like it @fresh bronze

[fresh bronze]

define deep

[real moss]

Nah it's is unneccesary long and boring

[fresh bronze]

oh r7b2 sorry i read r2b2 lmfao

[real moss]

Imma say D tier up

[prisma zodiac]

It is tho

Thats litteraly the best part of r7c3s stealth section. When the timer for armory starts

[fresh bronze]

yeah r7b2 i just like the secondary because at the point in the game its different from everything you play up to that point

the main isnt that interesting and the fog isnt that fun

[prisma zodiac]

its exactly the same tho?

[atomic escarp]

It would not be so if devs managed to make level design in such a way that backtracking wasn't needed

[prisma zodiac]

the shadow alarms are neat i guess

[real moss]

what makes it different it's literally stealth, alarm again

[last gust]

I think we want an example of a level with an added layer that makes it interesting, since that's something you said r2d2 doesn't have

[real moss]

There is no back tracking in R7B2 except the 2 minutes it takes to come back from sec

[fresh bronze]

and i agree but in that level its not just time pressure if you set off a room in the armory there is a good chance its death rather than the problems in r2d2

[real moss]

Nah it's the level as a whole

[atomic escarp]

It still feels weird and too much

[fresh bronze]

r7c3s big concept imo is the fact if you fuck up you lose unless you are so good the fact you fucked up is a mystery

its employeed in a interesting way and forces a game mechanic underused

[real moss]

R7C3sec and ovl are backtracks, R7C2ovl, R7B3sec. Almost every sec/ovl in R4 and 5. R6B2sec etc etc etc

[fresh bronze]

and also djdna i dont even remember any dtier levels and below other than r7d1 r7d2 and r2d2

r2d1 was nothing notable i guess i dont even remember what it was

[atomic escarp]

find cells pump up generator, fog goes down

[real moss]

Basically you don't like deeper tiers

[fresh bronze]

r7d1 is mostly bad because its a buggy mess

[real moss]

that's my point

[raven flare]

fuck difficulty am i right hah

[atomic escarp]

R7D1 would be a rly good level if it wasn't insanely buggy

[fresh bronze]

mostly because the deeper tiers are either buggy messes or full of artificial difficulty thats not fun

[prisma zodiac]

Theres enough rooms like that in reactors. R2D2s scout zones, r7e1 has 2 zones like that

And others in r4,5,6

[atomic escarp]

Ahhh that expression

[last gust]

I think it's fair to ask for examples that aren't r7c3, since that level is different to an extent that most levels aren't

[real moss]

If the snatcher spawn was fixed it would be very good.

[atomic escarp]

"Artificial Difficulty"

artificial difficulty 🤓

[fresh bronze]

hard gameplay is fun when its not the same hard gameplay that is in every other level

[atomic escarp]

shitstorm incoming

[real moss]

Now you are honest with us

[raven flare]

artificial intelligence
wait

[real moss]

you just prefer the early gtfo experience

[real moss]

There is not that much.

[raven flare]

some
enemies

good enough for my joke

[fresh bronze]

no i prefer the part of gtfo where the game forces different playstyles and interesting concepts that are not all just shoot the enemies do a short task rinse repeat over and over until level ends

[atomic escarp]

In Subtonix defense, I've seen a recent trend of newbies failing to find groups for R7D1 Overload or R7C2 PE (I know I'm also a culprit on that since I avoid those 2 because I did them and I can't be bothered to do them again)

[fresh bronze]

nothing else inbetween

[raven flare]

i think it isnt hard to see why no one wants to do r7d1

[overload]

[fresh bronze]

r7c2s overload actually looks really fun just been to busy to do it

level is way to long stealth wise imo tho

[real moss]

But give an example tho.

Cause what you describe is .... GTFO

[last gust]

a snatcher per player, as 10cc intended 🙂

[raven flare]

the correct way to play

with 10

[atomic escarp]

I'd just say what I've said a gazillion times, levels where Extreme/Overload could be adjusted to be a mini level in itself aren't really peak level design imho

guys they're gonna fix R7D1 on R3 release

[real moss]

I just tell folks to disconnect. After that it's smooth sailing

[real moss]

You poor innocent creature

[last gust]

🧀

[fresh bronze]

gtfo without any stealth or focus on any aspect beyond the guns is what those levels are

[prisma zodiac]

artificial difficulty is used without context quite often

[raven flare]

'HEY GET THE FUCK OUT WHILE I DO THI-'

[prisma zodiac]

Reactors have a ton of stealth lol

[real moss]

Gimme a level

[atomic escarp]

not cheese, it's a ""fix"" for a bug that 10c are too lazy to fix

[real moss]

It's is wrongly used especially

no need to sugarcoat

[fresh bronze]

all optional

no real downsides to not doing reactors stealth because most the time they load you up constantly

[prisma zodiac]

Yeah nah

im someone who says you can shoot a lot of levels. But you wont shoot the stealth zones up for reactors 24/7

[fresh bronze]

the hard part of reactors is never resources

[prisma zodiac]

Tells me ya havent played them much

[real moss]

Nah that boils down to terminal usage

[atomic escarp]

try shooting up every room in R7E1

[fresh bronze]

because i dont like them

[real moss]

I see patterns forming now

[prisma zodiac]

R7e1 is HARSH
r2d2 has a lot but wont let you shoot it all up

R1C1 well yea lol

[last gust]

do I need to cite the docred message

[atomic escarp]

I've seen it

[fresh bronze]

e1 is fun because its hard and the entire level isnt a reactor unlike most reactor levels

[last gust]

(jks)

[real moss]

R1C1 is just boring to the point of goin afk

[atomic escarp]

R1C1 most boring level in all of GTFO?

[fresh bronze]

that and its not the same shit as other reactor levels atleast it has something interesting in the beginning even if the reactor sections isnt good

[atomic escarp]

Probably the most boring I've played

my favourite reactor level is geminate D1

With maybe the backtracking on R5A3 being a bit of a tedious close second

[real moss]

E1 is still a level where you do basic GTFO stuff tho.

[atomic escarp]

Yes I hate walking around rooms I've already been

[real moss]

Shoot, alarm, shoot, alarm, stealth, stealth, Reactor

[real moss]

R5A3 ovl now THAT is a huge backtrack

[atomic escarp]

I'd say that's a bit unfair to Pablo

I hate it when gtfo makes me do gtfo things

[fresh bronze]

stealth and alarms vary quite a large amount from level to leve and it keeps it fresh

[raven flare]

what do u mean u need a melee

[fresh bronze]

reactors just dont except key difficulty moments like r7d1 throwing the tank at you unexpectedly

[last gust]

you're right, it's worse

[real moss]

Nah pablo is just badly implemented and has a low impact except on the first alarm

[last gust]

I'll give pablo credit for the first alarm and the arena alarm

[fresh bronze]

that was interesting the level had my attention for a few minutes and had me doing something beyond running terminals and shooting enemies

[last gust]

but only because I don't foam the arena alarm

[atomic escarp]

Well that's what he's supposed to be most interesting in to be fair

[atomic escarp]

chad

I mean, if we divide R7E1 into 3 sections, pre reactor, getting to reactor, reactor

[real moss]

imo yes

[prisma zodiac]

r7d1 isnt even a reactor tho

[atomic escarp]

Pablo is prevalent only in the first one

[fresh bronze]

the loop runs almost identically to reactors

its why i lump reactors and errors together

but reactors stop where errors dont i suppose

[raven flare]

i dont see it personally

[atomic escarp]

...what do you mean?

[real moss]

I mean at this point it is clear that you just don't like late GTFO and prefer the early stages

[atomic escarp]

Only Reactor wave that I can remember being "like an error" was R6D3's last phase of the reactor

[fresh bronze]

clearly not the case if i enjoy late gtfo that isnt completely gunfire focused ignoring a entire chunk of the game almost entirely

[last gust]

I miss r6d3

[prisma zodiac]

Ehh
If we take actual code reactors those have stuff to do
R2D2 itself is mostly reactor but its very varied in stealth areas (even moreso in og)

R4B1 has it as an optional objective
R4D1 has another optional after
R4E1 is just sick

R5C2 has it as an optional, R5D2 has a big part before the ending reactor
R6D3 has stuff before and after (i love the level)

[real moss]

You could not mention one level except R7D2 that does all the stuff you hate

[prisma zodiac]

You basically have no hurry after the wave. Cuz you need to get the code mid enemy wave in r7d1

[fresh bronze]

i have mentioned r7e1 multiple times but your just not reading it

[prisma zodiac]

Again

R2D2 has enough stealth parts lol

[prisma zodiac]

this has stealth aswell

[fresh bronze]

the stealth in r2d2 is tiny compared to everything else in the level

[real moss]

I read it and it does also all the stuff you dislike. Also you haven't finished E1 so you can't say you like the level

[prisma zodiac]

its very much most of the level time

[fresh bronze]

is it not possible to like part of a level but not another part?

[prisma zodiac]

and even content wise its a lot

[atomic escarp]

That's a bit unfair

[raven flare]

heh ive been sayin stuff about d tier e tier and c tier of r7 all the time with me not finishin any of those

[prisma zodiac]

It is

[atomic escarp]

His opinions aren't istantly invalidated because he didn't FINISH it

[fresh bronze]

clearly not based on what djdna said

[atomic escarp]

They'd be if he never PLAYED it

[raven flare]

no yeah that was bonkers

[atomic escarp]

or reached reactor I guess

[prisma zodiac]

agree
Tho it changes how he will feel about it most likely

[prisma zodiac]

Dont think he did reach it

[fresh bronze]

busy with work and college not everyone has time to spend grinding out levels

[raven flare]

ah then fair enough

[real moss]

No you can but based on what you mentioned you like R7D2 and R7E1 for a third that leaves the rest of D and E tiers. I mean you just don't like late gtfo

[atomic escarp]

Why would that change? I've had a fair share of levels I never wanted to touch again and still think they're a shitfest even if I didn't take many tries finishing them and did finish them (R5C2 PE)

[fresh bronze]

the rest of what d and e tier levels i dont even remember the other ones except r2d2 and r7d1

[real moss]

Let me put it this way. You do NOT review a game you have not finished.

[real moss]

If you don't remember em you did not like em enough

[fresh bronze]

if they are not even rememberable how can i say i like them or dislike them

i played them and beat them

[atomic escarp]

So if I play a game, I get bored halfway and drop it, I'm not able to give the opinion that I found it boring?

[real moss]

I did not say the contrary

[fresh bronze]

i beat r1d1 twice and still dont remember it, it wasnt hard enough to note

[real moss]

Nah you can say I found the first half so boring I dropped the game

[prisma zodiac]

As in, he knows what happens but hasnt played the ending yez

[real moss]

But you can not say the game IS this or yaddi yadda

[atomic escarp]

I'd say then it depends on what we define as review

[raven flare]

gamin sites shakin rn

[last gust]

I think the reasonable question to ask is, what about r7e1 so far has subtonix liked?

Like, the alarms? How did he find pablo?

[fresh bronze]

i like levels based on there best parts, if a level is just not great the whole way its just not something fun to me

[raven flare]

goin in the zone it is probably

[last gust]

was the double tank fight + pablo enjoyable somehow?

[real moss]

A review is an subjective assesment of a complete game in this case.

[fresh bronze]

so far everything up to the teleport has been a ton of fun altho double tank is a bit monotonous i suppose

[atomic escarp]

fair enough

[prisma zodiac]

You cant talk about its 2nd half then

[last gust]

what about the bit where someone lures pablo away while other people get res out of the blood door zone?

[fresh bronze]

s class alarm with pablo is very interesting a extremely fun to do even after doing it a couble times

[last gust]

or the bit where someone lures pablo away while other people sneak up behind chargers and bonk them

[real moss]

There are exceptions tho. some games can not be finished in traditional sense

[last gust]

agreed

[real moss]

GTFO can tho

[prisma zodiac]

Thats smth a lot of people agree on. Pablo changes how you play the alarm

Actualy his best part in the level

[raven flare]

people sneak?
i always see guns blazin
ah prob be just me

[last gust]

or maybe not "extremely", but agreed well enough

[fresh bronze]

we just immediatly opened the door and i went in and cleared the rooms in moments i didnt really even think of how the level was going through

so not a interesting part

[fresh bronze]

its one of my favorite moments in the whole rundown

that s class alarm is super intense and feels rewarding to beat the first time

[last gust]

I don't know, I've never played it with 4 people so we kinda look after our ammo a bit

[fresh bronze]

even at the beginning of the level

[fresh bronze]

i cant imagine e1 with bots tbh

[last gust]

lol, no bots either

hm, gimme a sec

[raven flare]

they shake at the thought

[fresh bronze]

that level seems actually awful with bots because the team scans and the bots tendacy to just commit suicide randomly

[raven flare]

ah yes bots be standin still and then
'HELP IM DOWN'

very normal

sudden cardiac arrest

or

somethin

[fresh bronze]

we tried it with a 3 man and realized that the bots running into the immortal was actually making the level not doable

but yeah my whole opinion on deeper levels is reflective on if they are interesting or break some sort of boundry, i will likely enjoy some later levels in other rundowns but as it stands now not particularly a fan of most of them

[raven flare]

but how about r1d1 is so goooooooooooood

[last gust]

I kinda think you might just still be into seeing new tilesets and enemy distributions with vanilla pacing

[fresh bronze]

i remember r6d1 and the whole boss fight made that level a literal core memory even if the entire rest of the level was fucking godawful which i dont remember that boss fight was so damn fun

[atomic escarp]

I'll concede on one thing, this game played with a fixed group or with people that are regulars is much different from trying your luck at LFG

And I say this as someone that never had a fixed group

[last gust]

whereas there's only so many zone enemy pools that can excite vets anymore, and they've seen every room tile a million times already, so they want pacing variety

[fresh bronze]

fixed group play is rough man, you get one session a week for most groups if your lucky and I think thats a big reason we dont enjoy reactor style levels

[real moss]

I've lfg'd the whole game tho.

[atomic escarp]

Me too

[raven flare]

me too
wait no i have not

[atomic escarp]

But with 3 people that know what to do the game feels like a breeze at times

[raven flare]

ah pretend i did

[atomic escarp]

and I'm not talking about getting carried

I'm talking about 3 people that have played as much as you have

[real moss]

The only issues with LFG were when carried players joined late levels

[fresh bronze]

ive played with the same two people for about 150 hours and then the last player swaps around a lot because its just to fucking hard to have a stable group of 4

[atomic escarp]

Most LFGs groups I have always had someone either at their first rundown or basically out of their water

[last gust]

lol, I actually think that boss is terrible

[real moss]

Or when a little troll joins

But that's rare

[last gust]

like sure it's a big graphical set piece

[atomic escarp]

Yes that can't happen with a fixed group either

[real moss]

obv

[last gust]

but it's basically a "did you bring a sniper" check

[fresh bronze]

oh yeah the boss is honestly not that great in hindsight but at the time it was completely new ground and was extremely interesting

[last gust]

...which, it's r6, so you probably did bring a sniper

but still

[fresh bronze]

lmfao who would have guessed

[atomic escarp]

I COULD try finding one but I don't like having schedules and having the need to be online on time

[real moss]

If you did not take sniper in R6, were you even playing?

[fresh bronze]

we actually didnt our first run and redid the level so we could have two people running sniper

[real moss]

When Alt R4 comes out, imma drop a friend of mine in the game

[raven flare]

i was playin nuclear throne i wasnt playin gtfo yet

[fresh bronze]

we also didnt have much resource going into it because we where all 20 hour players who where very fresh meat to the game

[real moss]

Cause I feel that at that point there will be enough to do before Alt R5 drops

[last gust]

I think I still have a like 2hr checkpointed duo completion screenshot with like har + hel gun or something

that was pretty miserable

but nuggies did a 4man with shotguns only, so I can't complain too much

[fresh bronze]

getting back into the game at r7 has completely ruined rundown 1 and 2 for me by setting the bar high and my own skill level way above the levels

likely gonna be the same for r3

[raven flare]

yeah

[real moss]

well it's easier than R2

shorter as well

[raven flare]

funkier as well

[fresh bronze]

it ends on d1 from my memory

[real moss]

you not gonna like the D level again

[fresh bronze]

ofc not 10 chambers doesnt do non shooting focused deep levels

[real moss]

It has a couple good levels tbh

[raven flare]

yeah
funk

[real moss]

I mean in general deeper levels are more action focussed

[fresh bronze]

i prob wont remember any of them like with r1 other than the levels i remember disliking

[raven flare]

doesnt not no 10c doesnt dont not no shootin not focused deep levels

[fresh bronze]

i also didnt like r1c1 but i can atleast get a pass on that one surely

that level just straight up was bad

[raven flare]

yes yes we all hate it

[real moss]

R1C1 is boring as hell

so yes

[raven flare]

we all know

[last gust]

agreed

[fresh bronze]

it also should have been the d tier level as it was the hardest level in the rundown for my team

[real moss]

It's new and refreshing when you start out on the game at R1. otherwise ............

[raven flare]

lmao

[real moss]

Nah R1D1 is harder

[raven flare]

lol even

[real moss]

or R1C2

[raven flare]

they in nice order

[fresh bronze]

i dont even remember r1d1 it couldnt have been harder

[raven flare]

r1c1 -> r1c2 -> r1d1

[last gust]

hm, I could order r1d1 < r1c1 in terms of difficulty

[real moss]

R1C1 had no challenge whatsoever

[last gust]

if only because r1d1 is... uh, barely a level

well there's a lot of level there I guess

[raven flare]

its two zones but well

[last gust]

you kinda just don't have to see much of it

[atomic escarp]

You bring a guy with a decent aim and give him a sniper and half of the "problems" of R1C1 get vaporized

[real moss]

It still challenges players more than R1C1

R1C1 has no challenge AT ALL

[fresh bronze]

only level my team wiped in because we where to lazy to sort the resources out a bit and all our tool and ammo spawned closer to extract than the reactor

bro what even was r1d1

[raven flare]

sneaks

[last gust]

lol, I at least fumbled a few r1c1 duo attempts, before snoozing through r1d1 duo

[raven flare]

n reactor shotduwn

[fresh bronze]

im googling it hold on

[raven flare]

holds on

[atomic escarp]

3 alarms then alarm with shadows at the end

[real moss]

Class IV no door, Class V, no door, Class V ladder, Reactor shutdown with shadows, ends with shadow error

[last gust]

but I'd probably just switch r1c2 and r1d1 and call it a day I guess

such a strange rundown by today's standards, but what do you expect

[raven flare]

r1c2 was really the hardest lvl for me cause one hour limit
i did the other two fine enough

[real moss]

Now there I can see a point being made. but not with R1C1

[fresh bronze]

yeah no i remember now its the level where my team set off 2 scouts because we missed a single giant from i think the class 5

[atomic escarp]

1 hr limit?

[raven flare]

geforce now

[fresh bronze]

no one saw em until he walked on it and screamed

[raven flare]

HEY GUYS WHATCHA DOI-

[fresh bronze]

that happened on our second run of the level as a trio one of which was a newer player who we where forcing to do everything

we actually did wipe on that level completely forgot

other than that i dont think we had any problems with the level

[raven flare]

if u know how to
kill
its not that hard

[fresh bronze]

but yeah djdna prob right its def harder than c1 due to the amount of scouts

[real moss]

That goes for every level tho

[raven flare]

i didnt know how to word it

but thats not what i meant

but i leave it for funnies

[fresh bronze]

the rest of the level isnt that bad by comparison

[raven flare]

i did the last shadow first try

i didnt expect it

thought i was gonna die

[real moss]

From perspective of new players: R1D1 you can't turtle cause you need to go to scans, scouts, class V is highest you've seen at that point, Shadow curveball

[raven flare]

two scouts? WHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU?

[real moss]

R1C1 you can turtle forever on the bridge

[real moss]

3 😏

[fresh bronze]

the class 5 doesnt really compare to the waves in c1 with multiple hybrids imo

[raven flare]

two in the same room

[real moss]

R1C1 has zero

[real moss]

oh no

[raven flare]

kinda does cause limited resources and u gotta turn it off quick

[real moss]

It's more dangerous cause you do not take defensive positions. you go into the wave doing scans and new players can't handle that

[raven flare]

u can run out of ammo if, u, didnt sneak or somethin

[real moss]

That's where they panik

[fresh bronze]

yeah i guess in a way

[fresh bronze]

we hit every scout except i think 1 or 2 because our new player was dedicate scout killer and giant killer until he learned to not be a dumbass around them

really dedicated stealth guy tbh

[raven flare]

amazin
character growth

[fresh bronze]

we just kinda sat there and watched

[raven flare]

like it should be

fuck carryin

[fresh bronze]

he carried us considering how much effort we put in

we where literally there to clear alarms and to revive him every time he messed up

[raven flare]

ah but u can fix what they fuck up

doesnt count

anyway r1c2 prob my fav level of r1

[real moss]

that's literally what a team is for

[raven flare]

even if i
hate it

[fresh bronze]

at first we meleed giants with him where we did the callouts then only one person meleed with him and he gave callouts

[raven flare]

ah yeah not move until they r ded
very
cooperative

[fresh bronze]

man ill tell ya watching him just say

go

and swinging was wild

[plush basin]

If we ever play Slendi I'll take my hands off the keyboard if someone makes a mistake 😉

[real moss]

No pick up the piece when mistake are made

[fresh bronze]

tf you mean go give a count down or something

[raven flare]

i dont think we talkin of the same thing

[real moss]

He is misinterpreting on purpose now

[raven flare]

maybe im stupid

no wait i am

its ur fault for tryin to not treat me like im stupid

i am

[fresh bronze]

my friend had to spend like 10 minutes getting this mf to understand how a countdown worked and i genuinely started to wonder how my team learned blind

[raven flare]

its 4 am im very tired

[real moss]

wait till he is at 55 min playtime with the last part of R7C1 almost done

[raven flare]

cause
magic
i guess

[real moss]

then: ok Slendi your turn to do everything

[raven flare]

its runnin away
i can leave u to die

i have mines

[plush basin]

with my duo partner now one of us just says charging when approaching a giant and the second guy wants to hit delayed anyway so it works out

[real moss]

I mean that is the fast way to do, I rarely see countdowns anymore

[fresh bronze]

me and my buddy have synced up so much we dont even do callouts for charger scouts since we have done the routine so much its honestly pretty fucking funny

but if your new and dont know the timings or have team synergy its important

[plush basin]

I've not practiced charger scouts with him, might be a good idea to go R7D2 and clear that room a bit

[raven flare]

my teammates have perfect coordination they know exactly what to do
i hit, they hit
thank u bots

[plush basin]

we tend to just foam em

[real moss]

It is ... conveniently placed

[fresh bronze]

r7c3 we set off the uplink room and then both of us ran straight to the rooms on the sides expecting to fail and said nothing and killed both charger scouts before being wiped by the giants chasing us

literally on the same wavelength

[raven flare]

two ais

[plush basin]

noice

[fresh bronze]

we also fail more doing countdowns

so we have basically given up on that

so what about r2d1 i dont remember anything about that level being harder than the rest of the rundown

[plush basin]

you lower the fog with each cell you put in

and make different areas more accessible

[raven flare]

generator cluster

[plush basin]

its neat

[raven flare]

its ok

not as funk but funky enough

[fresh bronze]

yeah i got a vid pulled up on it and overall it seems pretty chill

i think i took the role of dedicated fog runner and was just alway on 15% hp during that level

[atomic escarp]

half of the R2D1's I've played, atleast one person has crashed

[real moss]

weak PC

[atomic escarp]

💀

[fresh bronze]

r7c3 my first completion my internet crashed right at the extract door

i got back in before my team wiped but the game cut my hp from something like 90 to 1% and i instantly died. They where all down right after i started dropping in

we beat it the next attempt but damn it hurt wasting 20 minutes to my internet just cutting

[real moss]

weak internet

[fresh bronze]

indeed it is

middle of batshit nowhere type beat

[real moss]

I couldn't live like that. Not anymore not after having a taste of what's possible

[fresh bronze]

i just have to ensure i never taste the possibilities

my internets not even slow its just so damn unstable

[real moss]

pretty much there is no going back

[fresh bronze]

weekly outages that last hours, random spikes of 3000 ping atleast once a hour

[plush basin]

yikes

[fresh bronze]

ping on wire is 150 connecting to my friend who literally lives within walking distance

[plush basin]

Mine isn't great but its a lot better than that

[fresh bronze]

its just unstable as shit randomly

gtfo is actually one of the few games where i have no serious multiplayer issues

terraria is unplayable for some reason tho

gtfo is unironically one of the most stable games i can play multiplayer and its concerning

[prisma zodiac]

i watched you do that. You guys just didnt bother actually trying the first time tbf

[mortal granite]

if you played the game in the state of R1 R2 R3 and R4

[prisma zodiac]

After research

Snatcher stagger interaction is interesting

snatcher seems to stagger differently on what hes doing

when charging a single sniper shot staggers

[molten sedge]

Sounds pretty Greek to me.

[prisma zodiac]

when running around it seems to not stagger even with 3 sniper bullets

generally
when "asleep" it gets staggered by 7 hel revo shots but not 1 sniper bullet (does at 2) so 50 seems to be the right value

its just possible that it gets different values for when it charges / runs aroudn

[mortal granite]

that's why i said it has like a stagger cd

or it just block stagger altogether when running away

[prisma zodiac]

seems to block

i checked fresh ones

and they didnt get staggered at all

its when they are prancing around that they are immune (or have a higher than their hp value)

[mortal granite]

is this why mom sometime don't get stagger when get hammer?

hmmmmmm

[prisma zodiac]

mom needs 2 fully charged hammer hits afaik

since hammer does 500 stagger dmg to a tumor (and she has 1000 stagger hp afaik)

[mortal granite]

it's inconsistent

could be needed full back damage?

[prisma zodiac]

hmm

let me test

ok lol

its 2 full charges. and a single tap of dmg

so somewhere between the 1000 and 1060?

[west crow]

Rounding issue mayhaps

Same reason why they gave most the shotguns a .01 at the end of their damage values

[prisma zodiac]

oh yeah most likely
actually makes a lot of sense for mom stagger

[mortal granite]

oh, i think mom also have the same thing as snatcher where, when she's running away, she don't stagger

could be i forgot about it

[prisma zodiac]

Might be

but i cant check until im done with protocol work now. (Also would be way more annoying to do )

[nocturne flax]

But mom staggers tho

While she runs

Its just sometimes she jusy fucking zooms out at the speed of sound

[prisma zodiac]

values i could get from testing for snatcher were

„50“ stagger hp - technically (when asleep) not like that ever happens. (7 hel revo shots, 2 high cal bullets)

40? Stagger hp - When running at you (3 revolver shots, 1 sniper bullet)

Basically immune/ridicolusly high stagger hp - when running around, unfocused (maybe when running with a snatched target)

And no multi aside from back dmg multiplier

[raven flare]

we pray for sleepin snatcher on r8

[prisma zodiac]

It actually looks pretty neat

[west crow]

It has a reduced precision multi

[pliant shard]

Another common beep W

[west crow]

Also I'm not entirely sure what you mean
3 hel revo shots + 1 sniper shot is 66 damage

[hexed vapor]

Holy, based, so true.

[west crow]

They can't stop agreeing with me I'm so correct and valid and true with my statements

[atomic escarp]

real and true

[west crow]

Oh he meant "or" nvm

[prisma zodiac]

yep

couldve made it more clear tbf

[prisma zodiac]

oh yeah. Meant positive multi

Is its reduced multi 0.2?

[hexed vapor]

Appears to be.

[prisma zodiac]

Also wouldnt that be 64 o.O

[olive shoal]

It’s just part of his new Wednesday personality

[hexed vapor]

From what I've heard, cancelling snatcher grab is a bit more than 30.

[prisma zodiac]

ive reliably been getting it with anything thats 40+ dmg
But im obviously not sure

[olive shoal]

Idk, I swear you can stagger it while it’s running away

I’m gonna die on this hill

I’m not crazy

You’re crazy

[prisma zodiac]

honestly id love to test

[olive shoal]

I just vividly remember doing it on r7d2

[prisma zodiac]

i could only do solo test which has limitations

[hexed vapor]

I don't think I've ever seen it, but it's possible the normal 50 stagger is possible sometimes.

It also probably depends on when it makes the grab decision.

[prisma zodiac]

either way
i dont think well get more answers from testing regarding the different stagger values

[olive shoal]

maybe I am misremembering but man

[prisma zodiac]

this basically
the moment it "aggros" is when it starts being able to be staggered from what i found

Beth. Could the snatcher have aggrod on someone else? Or what happened

[heavy blade]

Extracting R2E1 with a new friend

[olive shoal]

I’m pretty sure it was running away but I forget why

[hexed vapor]

I'm thinking more Snatcher misses or something, runs away, and then decides to turn around before it actually turns around just as it takes a bunch of damage.

[olive shoal]

Nobody was snatched I believe

Maybe it missed the snatch? Idk

It wasn’t really something I thought about at the time at all ngl team

[prisma zodiac]

it could be what ray thought of (similar to sleepers waking up right before their actual glowing animation)

[olive shoal]

I just saw a snatcher and shot it with sniper and it staggered

[prisma zodiac]

dw lol
I only started thinking about it yesterday evening

[olive shoal]

I think it didn’t do what ray thought cause it wasn’t very far away

Would’ve been very weird to come back for round 2 that fast

[prisma zodiac]

they dont need to run far away tbf

[olive shoal]

right but like

[prisma zodiac]

but it usually takes time

[olive shoal]

It would’ve been maybe a second or 2

[prisma zodiac]

oh yeah then prob not

[olive shoal]

Idk I’ll play more r7d2s and look out for it

[prisma zodiac]

(different situation since solo) i think the quickest turn around from aggro -> non aggro and then to aggro was like 4 or 5 seconds

[hexed vapor]

You could probably test missed grabs in solo, tho.

That's my best guess as to something that would cause Snatchers to run away without exiting the grab state.

[prisma zodiac]

i will maybe if i get finished with my lab work early enough

[olive shoal]

I could hop on and test it in a little bit

[prisma zodiac]

[olive shoal]

it doesnt stagger if it misses a grab

but i did only shoot it once with sniper as it ran off so its not 40 stagger hp

[prisma zodiac]

depending on what angle (if you hit it from behind) even 80

but yeah. i landed full choke/high cal and sniper mag and didnt stagger when that happened
weird, but certainly interesting mechanic

[olive shoal]

id test more but idk if i care enough to

sitting in r7d1 isnt my idea of fun lmao

[west crow]

Thought you would give up

Thanks for proving my point.

[olive shoal]

beep go find the answers in the code

[west crow]

Need mono

I'll look at it when I get the chance but it probably won't return with anything that interesting

Probably likely that the pouncer grab can't be animation canceled and that it also counts towards its lengthy stagger cd

But I'm pulling that out of my ass

[prisma zodiac]

it basically has completely different stagger behaviour when moving vs when asleep

so much so that i couldnt get it to stagger with a front hammer hit (and i unironically think its basically impossible to get a back hit when its staggerable due to how it moves). Seems like it ignores the stagger multi of the hammer, yet a normal hammer hit (100 stagger dmg) is more than enough to get it to stagger when "asleep"

and even changes between states (or smth like that) when moving

[raven flare]

they say to always experience new things

[kind swan]

But did you like it?

Because I know you like ass

[nocturne flax]

My experience with matchmaking was ass

[nocturne flax]

Thats a given

[burnt goblet]

Altr3 isn't even out yet and the R4 when?!? Has already started

Anyways so R4 when

[atomic escarp]

true!

[runic mauve]

The rundown I'm looking forward to second most

[raven flare]

the rundown

:]

[runic mauve]

the rundown of all time

[boreal carbon]

wait it is today right?

niceee

[raven flare]

yeh just in
8 or so hours :D

[boreal carbon]

when was burst cannon released again?

my bae

[raven flare]

r3!

MKSMDKM

[boreal carbon]

YES

[raven flare]

8 hours or so :D

[boreal carbon]

UNLIMITED DESTRUCTION

[raven flare]

until its nerfed

:]

[obtuse surge]

R3 will revive matchmaking

[boreal carbon]

no it won’t lol

[obtuse surge]

stfu

[boreal carbon]

like most people have moved on at this point

()

[atomic escarp]

R3 will cure cancer

[boreal carbon]

Limbus company outis my bae

[obtuse surge]

matchmaking is where LEGENDS are born

[boreal carbon]

nah

[obtuse surge]

proof

?

[boreal carbon]

matchmaker sigma prisoner

single player no bot speed run gigachad

THAT is where legends are born

[obtuse surge]

like soviet badger

[boreal carbon]

exactly

[hard cape]

r3 when？Is it 12pm utc?

[raven flare]

r3e3 :D

[hexed vapor]

Guys, when R3?

[nocturne flax]

AYO 2 HORS earl;y

[hexed vapor]

And I'm stayin' up.

I don't have a problem.

[atomic escarp]

whats the time for u rn

[hexed vapor]

5AM

[atomic escarp]

LOL

worthit?

are you gonna do it all in one go

[hexed vapor]

It might be hard not to.

[atomic escarp]

[olive shoal]

I woke up early for this team

gonna be a quick and easy 2 hour session

[atomic escarp]

will it be worth it?

[olive shoal]

no but here we are

[atomic escarp]

[olive shoal]

I mean

R3a3 will be super worth it

My favourite gtfo level

[atomic escarp]

what if they ruined it

[olive shoal]

I don’t think it’s possible to ruin a level that already sucks that much

[atomic escarp]

mmmmmm this is 10c we're talking about

[hexed vapor]

What if we get into it after it drops and it's fun to play?

[atomic escarp]

I'll probably enjoy it to some extent

[olive shoal]

I know I’ll like r3d1 a lot cause I very much enjoyed the original

[hexed vapor]

My R3 nostalgia will be ruined.

[nocturne flax]

if it has back spawns like the OG then that level will have my respect again

[olive shoal]

but everything else idk team

[atomic escarp]

just play D1 and nothing else

[olive shoal]

I’m just hoping that giants spawn on top of me

[nocturne flax]

JUST LIKE IN THE SIMULATIONS!!!

[olive shoal]

yup yup

[atomic escarp]

can't wait for the hel revo buff

[hexed vapor]

The best thing about AltR3 is getting to play HEL Gun in R7D2, R7C3, R7E1, R2E1, the rest of R7, the rest of R2, maybe some R1, maybe R4E1 when it comes back...

[atomic escarp]

*if

[plush basin]

Looking forwards to scattergun in R4E1

[atomic escarp]

make a kick feature so I can boot anyone who uses scattergun in my lobby

[olive shoal]

TRUE

[atomic escarp]

can't wait for the hel gun to be nerfed to the point of being unusable

[olive shoal]

I doubt it tbh

[atomic escarp]

same but it's funny to think about

[plush basin]

double the delay before it shoots 😄

[olive shoal]

Nerf its damage a fuckton so it’s useless

[plush basin]

just make it feel like ass

the HAR treatment

[atomic escarp]

buff revo to 15 dmg pls

[olive shoal]

Watch them just revert the r6 changes for hel gun

[hexed vapor]

Return to R3 HEL Gun, please 😭

[atomic escarp]

watch every vc be packed for 2 days then the server goes empty again

[twin dirge]

so true

[hexed vapor]

HCP surviving by the skin of its teeth.

[plush basin]

I never liked the HCP tbh

so didn't care when it got hit

[atomic escarp]

HCP is really good for striker errors and also uhhhh that's it

[hexed vapor]

I didn't really like it, and kind of viewed it as a low-skill revolver, but at least it had legitimate trade-offs.

Now tho, it is literally just a low-skill revolver.

[twin dirge]

yep it's just noob friendly revolver

[atomic escarp]

revive HCP

pls

it was my fav gun in R7

[hexed vapor]

I'll be real tho, noob friendly revolver is a lot better than HAR being nuked for being too accessible.

So dumb.

[atomic escarp]

rip R6 HAR

dw guys, by the time R8 comes, every gun will be perfectly balanced

[hexed vapor]

Carbine will receive its final buff, and all will be right in the world.

[atomic escarp]

[olive shoal]

can someone give me choke mod stats real quick

Specifically damage and stagger multi cause I don’t remember lmao

[olive shoal]

Ty

[twin dirge]

R8 prediction:

Carbine damage - 120
Sniper damage - 54

[atomic escarp]

true

R8 prediction:

no one will play the game anymore

[twin dirge]

this is the way

[west crow]

HAR wasn't nuked, it still works fine

The wonky control exists if you spam it which you aren't supposed to do anyways

[nocturne flax]

BASED BEEP

[olive shoal]

so brave

[atomic escarp]

beepis

[twin dirge]

beepsi

[atomic escarp]

beepsi max

[twin dirge]

beepsi+

[nocturne flax]

r3 today for sure

[hexed vapor]

I'm starting to have my doubts...

I mean, no secret website logs leading up to the release, they actually announced it on the Discord.

I think Calle is LYING to us!

And a release on the 2nd and not the 3rd? FFS, it's R3.

Something ain't right, that's all I'm saying.

[half hornet]

Why give a full auto if it can't be used then

[atomic escarp]

skill check

[half hornet]

Blergh

[twin dirge]

full auto in R3

[atomic escarp]

they're gonna release the long gun in r3 fr

[wary olive]

Precision rifle is also full auto

[half hornet]

Yeah and that's stupid too

Why would you ever

[atomic escarp]

skill check

[half hornet]

Mag dump a giant in case of emergency I guess, but with bodyshot damage like that...

[hexed vapor]

It's more stupid for HAR imo given it's not really meant to be a tap weapon.

[wary olive]

When you're a based bullpup/precision rifle user and ofc you eventually get to 4%/100% ammo balance, then mom births. That's what the full auto PR is for

[hexed vapor]

Full auto is both what you'd expect and very unwieldy.

[atomic escarp]

cant wait to burst cannon pmom half to death through the apex door

[hexed vapor]

And it's not like it didn't have other drawbacks, it has a notable ammo penalty and it's not exactly a high DPS weapon.

It was literally only overpicked because it's very comfortable, not too hard to play, very easy to get results with.

[twin dirge]

HCP be like

[wary olive]

I been using HAR lately it's still bussin

30 staggers per mag is nice

[hexed vapor]

It's still playable, it's just extremely annoying to play, that's like the only reason it's heavily underpicked.

Literally nobody cares about how potent it is stat-wise.

[half hornet]

It makes my chin hurt because it keeps bumping into it

[wary olive]

Oh well, HAR is old news once unnerfed hel gun comes out in 20 min

[hexed vapor]

I can finally stop thinking about my loadout.

[nocturne flax]

hel revo helgun

[hexed vapor]

God, fuck, should I play shotgun? Oh, but MG is better for waves and more OP... but then revo is more fun...

[nocturne flax]

all you need

[hexed vapor]

Reject build diversity, embrace HEL Gun.

[atomic escarp]

ok now stagger 30 chargers

[wary olive]

No I don't want to play samdown

[hexed vapor]

Looks slick, sounds sick, rewarding gameplay, versatile, overpowered as balls.

[atomic escarp]

I havent played samdown so I dont get the joke

[wary olive]

Charger spam

[atomic escarp]

oh no

geminate D2 is full of chargers :( ||charger error for the first 3rd of the level, then secondary 2 cscouts and charger+bbc waves, then main has a room with 6 bbcs and 2 cscouts||

you'll never guess what most of our deaths are to

🥹

[heavy barn]

rifle gang

[atomic escarp]

rifle hype

[plush basin]

rifle life

[atomic escarp]

looking at old rifle stats looks like worse dmr

[errant vigil]

Rifle will have 1 damage but 5x precision, truly balanced

[olive shoal]

Perfection

[hexed vapor]

It's basically pistol if pistol could do damage to enemies that are more than 5m away.

[half hornet]

Sigh. I hate bad balance...

[hexed vapor]

It's just a weird balance conflict.

At least early on, they wanted to have variants of every "base" weapon type.

But it turns out, when you want to have a semi-automatic pistol, DMR, assault rifle, SMG, etc., you start to run into a lot of overlap where it's hard to differentiated wtf your weapons are actually specialized for.

[atomic escarp]

hel dmr

[wary olive]

what is machine pistol's purpose

[nocturne flax]

spam

[wary olive]

is it not just a worse auto pp

[twin dirge]

auto pp is what my wife calls me

[nocturne flax]

spam both

[prisma zodiac]

see ya later team. I gotta wait 3 hours for my team and am unspoilered

Have as much fun as you can with it. Especially on a3 heard thats a fun one

[atomic escarp]

R3 has burst cannon

[hexed vapor]

Snape kills Dumbledore.

[atomic escarp]

spoiled

[prisma zodiac]

i mean level wise

[nocturne flax]

remember when we had a timer

[atomic escarp]

wait this is spoiler chat

I can say that

[twin dirge]

somehow Palpatine returned

[atomic escarp]

5 minutes

until world peace

I have no idea whats in A3 and idk if I want to know

[prisma zodiac]

FORTNITE

[bold widget]

reactor

[twin dirge]

the zero point gives the good succ succ

[atomic escarp]

fun!

I wonder why it sucks

spitters? cancer fog?

[bold widget]

lengh of the level is 40 min minimum

[atomic escarp]

bruh

rip r3 in 2 hrs

[twin dirge]

R3 when

[atomic escarp]

3 minutes

[twin dirge]

3

[bold widget]

@atomic escarp 6 codes and you have to find them

i think only the first one was free but could be wrong

[atomic escarp]

doesnt sound all that bad

so what is it just shorter r2d2

[olive shoal]

its the worst mission

in a tier

[twin dirge]

R3 isn't that difficult anyway

[plush basin]

its baby R2D2 yeah

[hexed vapor]

It was the epic hardstuck R3 level.

[twin dirge]

wraaaaaaa

[hexed vapor]

"I've been at this like 30 times by now"

[bold widget]

lmao nvm the first code isnt even free haha

[bold widget]

that that one takes r5a3 PE

[hexed vapor]

And bad players would never get carried because good players avoided it like the plague.

[bold widget]

its not hard but fuck that 1h minimum lvl lol

[plush basin]

Sounds like a useful filter

ah but it doesn't lock anything, nvm

[hexed vapor]

Classic filter recipe:
-Boring

-You have to actually kill enemies.

[bold widget]

first thing i will do is try if i can still somewhat burst cancel

[twin dirge]

I mean "actually kill" isn't that much of a filter

[atomic escarp]

waiting for patch notes now

[plush basin]

Its odd how people seem to struggle on shooting levels so much. You'd think thats a skill people would have from other games

[bold widget]

its 1pm where r3

[atomic escarp]

never

[twin dirge]

like most C1 levels, just adding some form of strategy difficulty makes a filter

[atomic escarp]

calle lied

[plush basin]

Would have thought scouts or stealth would make life harder for new players

[twin dirge]

WHETE R3

[subtle vault]

This guy

[errant vigil]

update lmao

[bold widget]

r3 is a lie

no hot moms

[hexed vapor]

It's the horde shooter diff, happens in DRG too, apparently.

[twin dirge]

huh

[atomic escarp]

I had an EDD yesterday

where these mfs

would not shoot the bugs

so we died

i hate drg pubs

[plush basin]

I've only played a little bit of DRG but it atleast seems it can be surprising for someone new where the bugs come from

All along the roof and ceiling and whatever

[atomic escarp]

so I just end up duoing every EDD with my chad friend

[twin dirge]

gtfo players when they say "just play DRG"

[plush basin]

But in C1 for example they are just running at you in a line from the entrance

[bold widget]

update

[hexed vapor]

2k hours CS:GO, positions like shit, gets overwhelmed by target spam, etc.

[bold widget]

r3 may be real

[twin dirge]

kiss me if R3 real?

[atomic escarp]

team I may or may not have a tiny bit of fps experience from 6k hrs in tf2

[errant vigil]

rifle two shot striker 👀

[nocturne flax]

cap

[bold widget]

r3 is real lol

[errant vigil]

and shooter

[obtuse surge]

WHERE THE PATCH NOTE

ALARM

[atomic escarp]

pls i want patch notes

[bold widget]

oh how i missed you babe

[twin dirge]

your dad is a burst cannon

[paper harness]

patch notes please

[obtuse surge]

someone needs to check if carbine got buffed

[west crow]

OPEN THE DATA BLOCKS

[bold widget]

probably.....again

for whatever reason

[atomic escarp]

Wait

[twin dirge]

carbine keeps the W

[atomic escarp]

announcement says hel rifle

but then it says hel gun

[long ice]

im sticking with burst

[paper harness]

THEY DIDN'T NERF THE HEL WEAPONMS

HASHASHDAHAHSDAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

[west crow]

THEY CHANGED

NOTHING

ANOTHER DEV W

[paper harness]

holy fuck I overdosed on copium so fucking hard

[west crow]

BURST CANNON AND HEL WEAPON HATERS STAY LOSING

BYE BYE BIRTHERS

THEY DON'T STAND A CHANCE

[velvet linden]

IM BOUTA BURST CANCEL

[paper harness]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[atomic escarp]

Nice, always loved burst cannon

[west crow]

IM BURST CANCELING WITH THE NEW SHOTGUN SENTRY

[paper harness]

WE WAITED 3 MONTHS FOR THIS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASDHASODUBASOUWEB FGOQIWUEB G

HAHASHDAPSDIHASPDIHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pliant shard]

Huge patchnotes lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[prisma zodiac]

shotgun sentry note be like ???

[west crow]

shoots towards the enemy now 🤓

it was a huge issue

[wary olive]

lmaooooo hel gun is exactly the same

[west crow]

the sentry shooting away from targets

[pliant shard]

Opposed to shooting away from enemy

[twin dirge]

BURST CANNON STAYS SUPREME

[prisma zodiac]

I mean it wouldnt have changed much for it if it did

[prisma zodiac]

Its still nerfed heavily with no burst cancel

But it was also uber broken before

[stiff loom]

No bug fixes 🗿

[pliant shard]

What are those

[late bloom]

A3 done after game start ?

[bold widget]

lmao

[pliant shard]

Gamer spotted

[atomic escarp]

The shit