coming tomorrow trust
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
atomic escarp
paper harness
I think r8 in 2024 was a touch optimistic
atomic escarp
obtuse scaffold
I think r8 in 2024 was a touch optimistic
I hate how accurate this is
hidden crater
R8 in 2022, trust trust
raven flare
r8 in 2014 along with pikmin 4
nocturne flax
R3 today for sure for sure
west crow
R3 today for sure for sure
It's not March 2nd
high forge
Legit question here, gtfo still updating or we touched rock bottom ?
wary olive
Yes
eternal dragon
Legit question here, gtfo still updating or we touched rock bottom ?
Rock bottom
atomic escarp
supposedly still updating but we've had 0 communication from devs so we don't actually know
high forge
Rock bottom
Well that's sadge
eternal dragon
Well that's sadge
Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened 🥲
atomic escarp
it's not over as long as I have uncleared modded rundowns
high forge
Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened 🥲
Thanks for saying my bio🍻
Cheers
atomic escarp
can you say my status
high forge
Not really
atomic escarp
unfortunate
eternal dragon
Thanks for saying my bio🍻
It’s fitting
high forge
Agreed
eternal dragon
high forge
It’s fitting
Ahaha, yep it fits gtfo's life
eternal dragon
More death rn
velvet linden
it's not over as long as I have uncleared modded rundowns
dont forget to cfoam all ladders in samdown
atomic escarp
🥹
pliant pasture
it's not over as long as I have uncleared modded rundowns
I truly cannot
Recommend this kind of pessimism. just because the
System hasn't been working for us recently, that doesn't mean it was an
Error to trust it
atomic escarp
what
plush basin
it must be some kind of code
I don't know what you're talking about
Like what does that even mean
Boys I think he's gone crazy
velvet linden
It was clearly typed by a skinwalker
pliant pasture
bold accusation coming from someone who has skin
velvet linden
Nope I’m actually tutorial robot
pliant pasture
oh, as you were
high vortex
I truly cannot
Recommend this kind of pessimism. just because the
System hasn't...
i wish i could write haikus as cool as this one
fringe surge
nocturne flax
r3 for sure today
nocturne flax
Man the og release was shorter
Patchnote for alt r3 here:
Added bc,hel weaponry, rifle
Added 7 expedition
Fix bug of bots dropping cargo during loud segments
Thsts it
You welcome
See you in 5 months
boreal tendon
orchid kindle
and an increase to shotgun sentry detection range
just to put the nail in the coffin
errant vigil
And adding the combat shotgun
orchid kindle
It's not March 2nd
wdym march 2nd? It comes out on april 1st
west crow
I am the April fool
orchid kindle
Me playing r8 when it release
west crow
Me grinding out the alt r4 levels before alt r4 ext alt releases
west crow
gettyimages
twin dirge
R3 when
velvet linden
March 2
atomic escarp
Probably never
velvet linden
no, March 2
pliant shard
no, March 16
west crow
March 2nd
potent meadow
june 11
velvet linden
no, March 16
fool, it is March 2
pliant shard
fool, it is March 2
FOOOOOOOL, it will be March 16th
velvet linden
no, March 2
velvet linden
March 2
west crow
!remindme March 2nd
pliant shard
Sources!
velvet linden
i went to March 2
pliant shard
I have a solid source for my date
velvet linden
and there was r3
pliant shard
I was in a pub and a rando said March 16th
He was very confident and convincing
So March 16th
velvet linden
that was me but i accidentally said march 16 instead of March 2, my mistake
pliant shard
Alright name 3 levels of r3
velvet linden
bianhua, bolt, and bianhua again
west crow
I love bolt
west crow
You should try c1 - alpha
velvet linden
maybe on March 2
west crow
Going to love c1 - alpha on March 2nd
pliant shard
I’ll try it on March 16th
west crow
A remaster of a remaster of a classic level
pliant shard
Going to love a1 vessel
velvet linden
I’ll try it on March 16th
(he was stuck on bolt for 14 days)
west crow
I will play r3c1 alpha on March 2nd of the r3 alt rundown new environment featuring the new optional objectives feature
velvet linden
hello everyone we are excited to introduce the labs environment on March 2
its on March 2 because there are actually only 2 labs levels
have fun in storage
pliant shard
we love storage
pliant shard
Im listening
velvet linden
tell me more about refinery on r3b2 coming March 2
pliant shard
velvet linden
will there be more hybrids for the alt
west crow
Yes we love hybrids
velvet linden
im sold
pliant shard
D1 will have error alarm with hybrids instead of giants
velvet linden
im buying r3 right now
pliant shard
Where my bullrushers enjoyers at
west crow
Calle will make an appearance in game announcements on March 2nd
pliant shard
Im ready for March 16th
For when I get to experience the 80+ day of dedication and level making
Im ready to be blown away
west crow
Lab environment
New danger in d1 bianhua
New danger feature, enemy spawn right on top of you
The birther error alarm will be deactivated using a terminal
velvet linden
we have worked tirelessly to bring players a new danger in r3d1 bianhua: evil dauda
west crow
Dauda with the burst cancel
velvet linden
"this place is small"
frail horizon
we have worked tirelessly to bring players a new danger in r3d1 bianhua: evil da...
like he isnt already
mellow creek
devs all turned into sleepers?
mortal granite
if you're so piss about no update, just check their steamdb
it update everytime they do "something"
the easiest way is to look at Bug-hunt line
if it's start then next rundown is coming about 2 weeks
broken scarab
Calle will make an appearance in game announcements on March 2nd
I am omnipresent
kind swan
Insta killing lol
nocturne flax
https://www.tiktok.com/@gtfothegame/video/7167416936815430918?is_from_webapp=1&s...
damn ita like that r5 clip
paper harness
the easiest way is to look at Bug-hunt line
if only there was a way to communicate to players what features/rundowns are in the works and their progress
oh wait
It really is just that shrimple
nocturne flax
Its not that they cannot communicate
They just cant keep promises so they just not do that
Been like that since forever
burnt goblet
4 months away from that 1 year anniversary of no roadmap update!
nocturne flax
I mean r3 alt taking longer than og r3
At rhis point
What faith can you put in them
nocturne flax
Been there done that
Like i said before: r3 patchnote gonna be
added old weapons
added 7 levels
fix bot dropping items bug
Thats it
Extra points if they rebalance hel weapons
nocturne flax
Og came out in less than 3 months i think
Give or take
Alt right now its 3 and a little
paper harness
pending
nocturne flax
Hopefully they do more on alt rundowns
Pretty lackluster on improving already stablish features
paper harness
honestly would be surprised at this point if r3 doesn't end up being a buggy PoS
nocturne flax
Nah alt rundowns run well
Because they dont have checkpoints
Its funny how you can play alt basically bug free
Then you jump to r6 and onwards
Everything breaks
paper harness
not specifically level bugs but just bugs that have been in the game for years
terminal soft lock etc
broke a couple of runs on my alt r2
nocturne flax
How often do you get that bug
I personally had it like 2 to 3 times in thousands of hours and more often than not it was when my friend whwre fucking around my terminal
paper harness
had it softlock twice in a row in my runs with bunny in alt r2 on release
it's not very common but just very annoying when it happens
nocturne flax
Can we pls fix cfoam going trough the floor 😔
velvet flower
The bugs you mentioned existed >2yrs, so...
hexed vapor
At least 3 different snatcher bugs in-game since R7 😔
atomic escarp
angry steam discussions users
west crow
You know you can use clown emojis like a normal person
fallow wasp
Anyone got any hopium in the chat?
I love the game but man
The wait is getting to me
pliant pasture
the only hopium i can offer is:
if you love the game, let it go, if its meant to be, it will R3 back to you
fallow wasp
The next game they’re making is like a co-op heist game right?
That might be bumpy considering payday 3 is slated for release this year
pliant pasture
The next game they’re making is like a co-op heist game right?
yee
Not Payday 3™️
fossil jetty
hopium that r3 comes march
jolly perch
when is rundown 4
raven flare
when r6
solemn wigeon
When challenging levels?
solemn wigeon
R8e1 is massive hopium
solemn wigeon
Never will be
raven flare
aight
raven flare
hope u enjoy ur meal
solemn wigeon
P tasty
raven flare
ok so i guess every rundown wasnt
good
errant vigil
Other rundowns didn't have all the previous ones still available
solemn wigeon
We need to start shifting to lower tiers and harder content
solemn wigeon
And we are still waiting on rundowns with specific tiers missing
solemn wigeon
i love r4b2
You gen cluster lover
raven flare
and r1c2 cause funky enemies
west crow
favorite objective
raven flare
and r2c2 cause alarm
and r6c1 cause amazin level
and r5a2 cause overload objective was funky
solemn wigeon
Rundown 8: Elite
D tier to F tier with really challenging content
Problem solved :^)
raven flare
why would u just not make a b and c tier harder
west crow
doesn't matter what alphabet letter you assign to a difficulty tier as long as there is a ladder it's getting cfoamed
raven flare
instead of
confusing all
solemn wigeon
A tiers should all be relatively the same difficulty
raven flare
i mean if it was a b c d e and an F tier
that would be funk
solemn wigeon
That's the confusing part
raven flare
A tiers should all be relatively the same difficulty
i mean
a1 i can undertsand but
a2 a3 can be
hard
r5a2 had extreme and overload
and they were super funk
solemn wigeon
But then they wouldn't be a tier anymore
west crow
difficulty is very binary actually
solemn wigeon
R5a tier were all roughly the same difficulty
west crow
it's if it does or does not have a ladder I can cfoam
solemn wigeon
it's if it does or does not have a ladder I can cfoam
Rundown/missions where cfoam launcher isn't available
raven flare
R5a tier were all roughly the same difficulty
so if r8 had a1 and a2 be harder than r1a1, but roughly the same difficulty
solemn wigeon
Or no ladders
pliant shard
a tiers are binary in difficulty it depends if my pub teammates can shoot the enemies or not
raven flare
its ok?
raven flare
NOOOOOOOOO
west crow
rundown 8 will be called rundown 8 transition because they will be transitioning to ccyber heist
solemn wigeon
so if r8 had a1 and a2 be harder than r1a1, but roughly the same difficulty
The current problem is that there are several outliers in all available A tiers being a lot harder than others. If you wanted a much more challenging introduction to a hard rundown then it shouldn't be A tier, as it brings a false sense of understanding that it'll be similar to current A tiers
west crow
anyone hyped for cyberheist it will be made by the developers of payday the heist and watchers of the movie Heat
solemn wigeon
rundown 8 will be called rundown 8 transition because they will be transitionin...
Real
west crow
classic heist movie
raven flare
The current problem is that there are several outliers in all available A tiers ...
then what if the text in the mission said somethin like "this is much harder than before, get ready"
and the warden text was like
"danger protocols activated, lots of prisoners may be used"
west crow
ain't no one reading those
solemn wigeon
You think players read?
solemn wigeon
True
west crow
the fuck "What is that thing on the wall krrztch... (gunfire screaming)" supposed to give as information
west crow
they should have simon viklund give audible hints in game
like the game pauses and simon tells you want to do
you have to vote to skip the simon segments
solemn wigeon
We need portal radio music on random radios in game
west crow
Simon Segment
solemn wigeon
Yes
If only we had enemies that didn't flinch or get foamed
Just unstoppable walls
west crow
immortal
solemn wigeon
Tank if it was threatening
raven flare
... three tanks
solemn wigeon
I'm talking like standard enemies
west crow
the unstoppable wall is having a staring contest with me
raven flare
chargers are kinda based on that, runnin to u
and they are vastly more dangerous than normal strikers
west crow
am I allowed to kite them
solemn wigeon
If you kite you immediately explode
west crow
am I hypoglycemic
solemn wigeon
You are full of touch powder
west crow
can I be full of blast powder
raven flare
what do u mean by secret sauce-
solemn wigeon
_what do u mean by secret sauce-_
This is left as an exercise for the reader
glass mirage
It means exactly what you want it to mean.
obtuse scaffold
Reality can be whatever you choose
choose wisely
azure sedge
no double drop tho 😦
broken scarab
That was the weirdest rumor
amber skiff
Man I cant wait to play R3 E1
raven flare
ah
west crow
@broken scarab can you leak the burst cannon change early
broken scarab
<@264164771669082112> can you leak the burst cannon change early
No
west crow
What about the hel gun
raven flare
can u show the image of the hel gun from the menu from the lobby from the game
broken scarab
Why would you want that? =9
raven flare
cause those images r nice :]
but leak the high res one
as high res as it could be
:]
west crow
Why would you want that? =9
What about the precision rifle
real moss
unless u mean hel rifle
hel rifle was R3
real moss
It was, source : me playing R3 yesterday
real moss
time traveler
Nah steamdb
west crow
Are you going to give the rifle its r5 unreleased change
amber skiff
Rifle never returned sadly
so if they bring it back and buff it it would be hella cool
raven flare
idk i never tried it
was rifle not
good?
u know what i dont wanna know idk why i am here ksmd
pliant pasture
That was the weirdest rumor
rumor has it that the flat earth conspiracy theory was a meme on 4Chan before anyone actually believed it.
apropos of nothing, trippple drop hope is still alive for R4+5+6
vestal mountain
Will I finally have shirtless Hackett in this rundown Calle? 🤨
pliant shard
broken scarab
Will I finally have shirtless Hackett in this rundown Calle? 🤨
./imagine Shirtless Hackett from GTFO
vestal mountain
Wow...that's what I get for my years of service. sniff
broken scarab
Midjourney is your friend
olive shoal
when are we getting the long gun
west crow
Rifle never returned sadly
Its change existed within the weapon archetype of r5
Rundown 3 will feature a new new player friendly addition
The Simon Segment
This was just leaked to me via Calle in private dms
obtuse surge
ty for exact release time
west crow
You're welcome
kind swan
subtle vault
Looks like we are getting another hooded mask
daring pilot
Looks like we are getting another hooded mask
that's an existing one
my friend uses it, I recognize the sillhouette
subtle vault
that's an existing one
Are you thinking of hacketts or the mammoth?
west crow
Amongus mask
subtle vault
This new one looks like slim, this one is baggy
west crow
Its the same mask
daring pilot
there's a thin sliver of light poking thru, and I've seen Sabre wear it hundreds of times
pretty sure it's the same one
could be wrong tho
half hornet
Could be either way imho
west crow
Besides, none of the unreleased new masks look like that silhouette
subtle vault
Just got to wait
atomic escarp
like at least tell me oh guys let's comr back to objective
real moss
Ask to learn instead of just hopping into random groups
plush basin
Best you can do is write in your post that you are looking for other new players or at least people that aren't rushing, because yes, there are those types of people
real moss
Best you can do is write in your post that you are looking for other new players...
He isbone of them 👆
Do as if you are
plush basin
Nah I thought I was the noob who alerts the scouts
raven flare
jesus
real moss
Nah I thought I was the noob who alerts the scouts
Apparently not anymore so I upgrade you to random pub rusher
plush basin
Apparently not anymore so I upgrade you to random pub rusher
thank you sir
real moss
thank you sir
You are welcome
plush basin
Sadly it seems quite common... people that don't talk at all and blast through
Try and find a group you get on with
real moss
call em out
west crow
Never let them know your next move
real moss
they might not notice
west crow
Stay rushing
real moss
And never join @west crow
raven flare
they might not notice
how does one not notice
plush basin
If you guys rush through another one of these zones I'm turning this expedition around and we are going back to character select!
raven flare
do u never look
back?
real moss
how does one not notice
Not everyone is a slow ass Spear user m8
raven flare
no but like to be runnin everywhere and see that ur teammates are behind
u dont
say anythin?
u continue?
west crow
Every time I look behind me my teammates are in the cheese spot
real moss
u continue?
Have I said I did this? no I communicate A LOT
like these guys are gonna LEARN
raven flare
Have I said I did this? no I communicate A LOT
i wasnt talkin about u i was talkin of what they r sayin
west crow
Sorry I meant
Don't ever look behind you when your bright future is ahead of you... love ulf...
raven flare
people that just go off quietly
plush basin
What is this rushing though? I'd consider it rushing if people are going into rooms and waking it every time trying to go too fast, but if people are clearing stuff in stealth then...?
half hornet
Squad moves as fast as the slowest member.
west crow
What is this rushing though? I'd consider it rushing if people are going into ro...
He's upset he can't sprint with spear
real moss
What is this rushing though? I'd consider it rushing if people are going into ro...
Nah but for real I look forward to ask when R4 thursday evening
west crow
Stop trauma dumping in gtfo spoiler chat
west crow
No
real moss
Stop trauma dumping in gtfo spoiler chat
It's a spoiler chat. they spoil the pub experience, I see no issue
half hornet
I'm dming Calle if there are no spear changes.
raven flare
so now the convo is about this ok sure
west crow
I love changing the conversation to spear
Honestly it's the perfect weapon
Doesn't need any changes
half hornet
Yeah, right...
plush basin
can we just nerf the other weapons to spears level?
real moss
At this point the Spear is not even worth a conversation anymore
plush basin
Make it so you can't run with them either
running with knives is dangerous after all, the first lesson we get taught over here
west crow
can we just nerf the other weapons to spears level?
That'd be a net buff to all the other melee weapons
Because the spear is so powerful
I run it with the hel shotgun that I use to spam all my shots into a single shooter
half hornet
can we just nerf the other weapons to spears level?
I honestly don't mind
west crow
It's very efficient
west crow
People would just use bat
That's what they did when back multis were fucked during r6
Sorry I meant spear
Because spear is the stronger pick
It's like the deadly of melee weapons
Miss him a lot 🙏
astral ferry
west crow
His r5d1 journey was basically like Jesus fasting in the desert
ocean tundra
this is the HF Decon First Response
Seems as if it's this unused mask. Silhouette matches perfectly.
ocean tundra
Is good resource
west crow
It shows the scary fact that there will be no more cosmetics to unlock after 6 levels of r3 alt
half hornet
Oh shit
ocean tundra
Love that mask in particular as it gives off a Wasteland Stalker vibe
west crow
It's another edgy mask to replace the edgy hackett robo parts mains
Start being based bald with the clean dauda mask
ocean tundra
Always preferred the scavenger/rag-tag survivor look as opposed to the more militaristic look of modern GTFO
west crow
Stop coping, stalker 2 isn't coming out
boreal carbon
ocean tundra
Stop coping, stalker 2 isn't coming out
Nah not coping for that, coping for the old atmosphere
west crow
They were busy flying around in an airplane
west crow
Nah not coping for that, coping for the old atmosphere
The games atmosphere hasn't changed since the alpha
They just made it so you could choose if you wanted to be based bald or not
ocean tundra
Well I specifically mean a lot of the pre-alpha looks, I think I just enjoyed how ragged the main 4 looked
Its not BETTER by any means, just personal preference
west crow
They looked like they needed some PROTEIN
Current squad is liftpilled and are absolutely JACKED
Just peep the booby vest and see that definition
prisma zodiac
The games atmosphere hasn't changed since the alpha
wat
r5 and earlier looks different from r6 onwards tho?
ocean tundra
r5 and earlier looks different from r6 onwards tho?
This too, mainly lighting
west crow
r5 and earlier looks different from r6 onwards tho?
This is incorrect
west crow
This has nothing to do with atmosphere
solemn wigeon
It has everything to do with it
west crow
Also you're objectively incorrect since cfoam has not changed in every rundown
half hornet
The lighting in older gifs and videos does look slightly different...
raven flare
slightly? r6 look way smoother and less oily than previous rundowns
prisma zodiac
yea theres a noticeable difference in how the game looks
the lighting changing makes the atmosphere change
you can even see it in the changes r6a1 had for itself
with random floodlights being added
west crow
The lighting "change" is indirectly related to them constantly changing shaders
The atmosphere has not changed
Incorrect and wrong again
pliant shard
Lights do not really make the atmosphere for me. The whole level design, enemies, overal feel of the game is identical to r2 and onwards
west crow
Michal continues with the good and correct facts
solemn wigeon
the enemies cannot add to the atmosphere as an environmental thing. It's the lighting, the textures of the environment, sound, and scale
west crow
How can you be this wrong
prisma zodiac
enemies do add to the atmosphere, as they are often a part of it ._.
solemn wigeon
pliant shard
prisma zodiac
also lighting not changing the perceived atmosphere is... wrong
prisma zodiac
its litteraly one of the ways you can change how things are perceived
west crow
Another incorrect and wrong Eva opinion
runic mauve
ah yes a brightly lit room and a barely lit room have exactly the same atmospheric feel
west crow
ah yes a brightly lit room and a barely lit room have exactly the same atmospher...
Thank you for sharing the correct answer
raven flare
answer me with morse code
west crow
Now every time I have an opinion it's me trolling
runic mauve
well i was sarcastically saying what beep was saying
west crow
You said that a brightly lit room and a non brightly lit room DONT have the same atmosphere
That is the wrong opinion
raven flare
that was like ironic and then they agreed
raven flare
eva, keep up this is level 7 bait
runic mauve
no he definitely did
prisma zodiac
a completely bright room and darkish room have way different atmosphere
runic mauve
he just willfully ignored it
prisma zodiac
that was my point
west crow
I don't willfully ignore things
runic mauve
cause he believes that the words themselves were correct
so he ignored the obvious tone in them
west crow
I think you're getting a little hot headed over being wrong and incorrect
prisma zodiac
either way. what beeps saying
(saying No, this is wrong to "also lighting not changing the perceived atmosphere is... wrong" as said by me)
is pretty obviously wrong.
Lighting can have a significant impact on the perceived atmosphere of a space. Different types of lighting can create different moods and emotions, and can affect how people perceive surroundings.
raven flare
we r all wrong if u think about it
maybe
solemn wigeon
Eva shhhh you can't win against a troll
runic mauve
i don't think a room lit with pink lights is gonna be seen the same by most as a room with hardly any lights
keyword there being most
west crow
I can see both rooms perfectly fine
raven flare
why is no one catchin bait today? we had like 3 cases of this already
prisma zodiac
beep
ive been working on chemistry protocols after being in the lab for 7 hours and am to exhausted to deal with your trolling bs
You should know i dont say this often
But shut the fuck up
west crow
But I don't remember gtfo having pink rooms
runic mauve
if you're a genuine exception then that's it
raven flare
GASP
its the f word /j
prisma zodiac
dude. just shut it
You arent arguing. you are litteraly just trying to make drama for no reason
if you were trying to argue you wouldnt have said "NUH UH WRONG, NA WRONG" you would have put out a point
west crow
I already put out a point
prisma zodiac
i know you like trolling 4fun, it isnt a secret
west crow
You're the one just declaring my point as wrong
raven flare
dudes w- what
lets just
leave
runic mauve
actually ya know what u right
if i looked at a room with a surgical table that had bright pink lights vs dark red lights they would definitely evoke exactly the same feel
west crow
Gtfo doesn't have pink rooms
west crow
What
prisma zodiac
Lighting can have a significant impact on the perceived atmosphere of a space. Different types of lighting can create different moods and emotions, and can affect how people perceive surroundings.
For a basic example, warm lighting with a yellow or orange tint can create a cozy atmosphere, while bright lighting with a blue tint can create a more energetic atmosphere. Soft lighting can create a calming, relaxing atmosphere, while harsh, direct lighting can create a more intense atmosphere.
runic mauve
now is general atmospheric debate
solemn wigeon
It has
runic mauve
that was the original point sure
solemn wigeon
because the lighting has changed
runic mauve
but now it is simply
does lighting affect atmosphere
prisma zodiac
the lighting changing -> the atmosphere changes
if you think the changing wasnt notcieable enough. THATS a whole other point
west crow
You're just reducing the argument to one that is completely irrelevant
pliant shard
But lighting isn’t really used in that way in gtfo. Usually it’s “x room has no lights, z has max bright white, y has light red light”. For me that doesn’t change the feel of the complex to@me but more level design
runic mauve
well yeah that's kinda how arguments can work sometimes
west crow
If you're arguing incorrectly
prisma zodiac
if one part of the atmosphere changes. that will change the whole of the atmosphere
runic mauve
your words aren't saying lighting doesn't affect the atmosphere in gtfo
they're saying lighting doesn't affect atmosphere
prisma zodiac
beep be like "nu uh, wrong, nope, incorrect" while not actually proving anything
solemn wigeon
beep be like "nu uh, wrong, nope, incorrect" while not actually proving anything
average lighting denier be like: "must have been the wind"
west crow
And arguing if lighting changes an atmosphere
raven flare
idk if this is the weirdest or most normal gtfo discussion ever anymore
runic mauve
You said that a brightly lit room and a non brightly lit room DONT have the same...
no mention of gtfo in this comment
solemn wigeon
no mention of gtfo in this comment
the context is still about gtfo though
runic mauve
it wasn't though lol
prisma zodiac
beep
my point went from
r5 looks different to r6
-> you said no
i explained that due to lighting changing it does
-> you said lighting changed but that it doesnt changes the atmosphere
i explained that it does. Generally AND for gtfo
runic mauve
the context had left the confines of gtfo
solemn wigeon
Sometimes you need wider context for a better appreciation
half hornet
What happened to your avatar
west crow
I'm arguing that it has little to no impact on the atmosphere of gtfo
pliant shard
huh my prayers were answered
Hell yeah now what is your opinion on gtfo lighting
prisma zodiac
this
"I think you're getting a little hot headed over being wrong and incorrect" quoted from beep
is also not a normal way one would argue if the discussion was held seriously
west crow
You just told me to shut the fuck up
runic mauve
I'm arguing that it has little to no impact on the atmosphere of gtfo
that is slightly different argument
i could kinda see this being an actual argument
raven flare
huh my prayers were answered
amen
hexed vapor
I'm arguing that it has little to no impact on the atmosphere of gtfo
Ehh, it's kind of significant, especially how glary it can be if the lighting is now.
runic mauve
You just told me to shut the fuck up
i mean yeah he's got you there eva
hexed vapor
Unironically, my initial impression of R6 was overwhelming negative probably 90% because of the lighting changes.
prisma zodiac
You just told me to shut the fuck up
that was after that
because of you doing that
and you freaking know it
hexed vapor
It made every small change feel off.
raven flare
Unironically, my initial impression of R6 was overwhelming negative probably 90%...
GASP D:< /j
runic mauve
Unironically, my initial impression of R6 was overwhelming negative probably 90%...
just because of how it looks though or the atmosphere due to it
half hornet
There's this gif in steam artwork section of someone spamming a rifle down a large tight corridor and it feels like a different game
raven flare
I like the colored lights
disco balls be funk
west crow
You might not like how the lighting looks, but that has no effect on the atmosphere
hexed vapor
just because of how it looks though or the atmosphere due to it
Both.
It looks bad, and because it looks bad it throws off the atmosphere.
prisma zodiac
i mean yeah he's got you there eva
- him telling me just flat out repeatedly "you wrong" and "NO"
then saying that i should calm down when i was still perfectly calm
i rarely say shit to people cuz why. But beep being an absolute ass when im exhausted af and trying to keep it civil led to it
*not an excuse, just an explanation
hexed vapor
You might not like how the lighting looks, but that has no effect on the atmosph...
Do you believe that lighting has 0 impact on the atmosphere?
west crow
Yes
hexed vapor
Okay, you're hopeless.
half hornet
Objectively wrong.
prisma zodiac
You might not like how the lighting looks, but that has no effect on the atmosph...
thats your opinion
yet i gave examples how lighting changes how people perceive the atmosphere of things aboive
west crow
I've been ruined
raven flare
we all agree
errant vigil
how can it be the same atmosphere when we get teleported to a different planet
raven flare
great
anyway the sight on hel guns looks so funky
i wanna see how they make the hel rifle one
runic mauve
how can it be the same atmosphere when we get teleported to a different planet
new argument just dropped
west crow
how can it be the same atmosphere when we get teleported to a different planet
Consistent tone regardless of environment
errant vigil
he didn't get the joke
hexed vapor
He doesn't know.
errant vigil
How did the joke guy not get the joke
raven flare
magic
west crow
It was the wrong joke
prisma zodiac
wrong
runic mauve
this is so stupid lmao
errant vigil
Deflection based
runic mauve
all of this
hexed vapor
this is so stupid lmao
You are incorrect.
west crow
Having a discussion about the atmosphere is stupid?
prisma zodiac
You are incorrect.
NO
raven flare
Deflection based
pk freez- ah no that was another one neverminf
runic mauve
Having a discussion about the atmosphere is stupid?
in and of itself no
but the way it's been happening is yes
raven flare
Having a discussion about the atmosphere is stupid?
yeah we all should live outside our planet in space
fuck clouds am i right
...
im sorry i love clouds
west crow
It's very typical to just derail a serious discussion
west crow
That's your choice
raven flare
like steppin in dirt
prisma zodiac
Incorrect opinion detected. [class IV alarm]
pablo wave roars in the distance
west crow
Like can choose if the lighting has personally changed the atmosphere for you
raven flare
*pablo wave roars in the distance*
big shadow wave roar
west crow
But objectively it has had no impact on the consistent atmosphere within gtfo
Why are you just cherry picking
raven flare
another unbased and uh
[slang slang] come back to the point
prisma zodiac
thats litteraly the start lol
runic mauve
okay i'll say this to you beep, under the assumption that you are still serious
lighting definitely affects the mood and how i perceive a room.
if it doesn't for you, i find that interesting, but i don't think i can change that
but as a result of it i find that the atmosphere changed from r5 to r6
have a good day
prisma zodiac
dude you started it like that
hexed vapor
I'm not really sure what the "atmosphere" is if it's not derived from the environment design, the game's presentation, how you move through the "world," etc.
prisma zodiac
okay i'll say this to you beep, under the assumption that you are still serious
...
ive already pretty much typed out a similar text to this
Beep ignored it 🤡
plush basin
You need to stop being baited
raven flare
why is everyone just decidin to be
mad today
'oh a wrong point of view
lemme discuss it'
west crow
I've been very calm so far
solemn wigeon
You need to stop being baited
Give up, beep won already ;c
prisma zodiac
Lighting can have a significant impact on the perceived atmosphere of a space. D...
seriously. show me your actual answer to this then
raven flare
yeah just leave
olive shoal
beep never loses
west crow
I'm not trying to win anything
olive shoal
its just part of his new wednesday personality
prisma zodiac
cant loose if you dont actually try to discuss
plush basin
Give up, beep won already ;c
They won as soon as the others engaged in the discussion
solemn wigeon
its just part of his new wednesday personality
its thursday
west crow
Thats completely irrelevant
prisma zodiac
raven flare
cant loose if you dont actually try to discuss
cant lose if i just talk in windings
i just need to speak in lingos no one gets
solved
im so good
west crow
"Lighting can change atmosphere" is not an argument to "lighting has had no effect on gtfos atmosphere"
raven flare
lightnins in gtfo would be nice imagine a storm in some alpha
west crow
did the lighting change in gtfo?
In which way
prisma zodiac
did it change inbetween rundowns (or in rundowns, r6a1 changing after extension)
in how soft/harsh it is. How bright, how often its used
west crow
There's the environmental lighting and there's how the changing shaders have had an illusory effect on the lighting
raven flare
i turn on and off my flashlight does that count /j
prisma zodiac
i am adding shaders to lighting since thats how we will perceive the lighting btw
west crow
What
prisma zodiac
@raven flare flashlights actually changed between rundowns tbf
raven flare
<@437056003012427782> flashlights actually changed between rundowns tbf
ik it- it was a joke
im tryin to derail the convo
hexed vapor
Imagine not seeing light as a raycast from a point in 3d space.
prisma zodiac
ik it- it was a joke
humor is no laughing matter
raven flare
cause it just doesnt deserve to exist
raven flare
humor is no laughing matter
comedy is a punchline away
runic mauve
oh sorry i unkilled it didn't i
idk i feel like there's an actual discussion to be had here
west crow
Okay, so within the context of both changing, it has still had no effect on gtfos atmosphere as a whole
runic mauve
okay i could honestly kinda see that
but to me that's more the gameplay's atmosphere than the actual visual atmosphere
west crow
Visual atmosphere? Like spraypaint?
west crow
Both your points are entirely subjective
raven flare
like gmod when u uh explode everythin
prisma zodiac
anyway. beep refusing to type out an actual sentence of what he said later 100 messages down the line and then acting like i should calm down (before the shut up part btw) basically made it not a discussion and just a chain of disagreements.
Id recommend typing out your actual opinion, in this context
"I do not personally think that gtfos atmosphere has changed enough with the changes they did to lighting, to call it a real change"
runic mauve
so are yours
hexed vapor
Atmosphere is aesthetic, it's going to be either subjective or very hard to pin down no matter what.
west crow
Not entirely
prisma zodiac
cuz of that we could actually have a discussion
velvet linden
anyway. beep refusing to type out an actual sentence of what he said later 100 m...
L + all your runs are seeded
raven flare
this is not a discussion its an among us server
olive shoal
🌱
west crow
I'd argue people are going to get the same experience because of gtfos consistent atmosphere
Random people that is
prisma zodiac
it wouldnt rly have gone far, since thats very subjective. But that wouldve been smth
west crow
I'd argue people are going to get the same experience because of gtfos consisten...
This was a reply to you jarhead
prisma zodiac
anyway. here come beeps friends trying to make fun of me :>
west crow
Eva are you okay
velvet linden
no i hate beep
west crow
Why are you making this personal
humble elm
i think having a room in full red changes how people react in that room
raven flare
anyway. here come beeps friends trying to make fun of me :>
haha u are
... uh
i
... u
GOTTEM /j
olive shoal
i really dont think it matters this much
prisma zodiac
Eva are you okay
all the bullshit aside
how often do you think ive told people to shut up directly
west crow
i think having a room in full red changes how people react in that room
And the person prone to epilepsy will have a seizure with the flashing lights
prisma zodiac
and how often do you think i get people trying to make fun of me for trying to have discussions
west crow
But that doesn't change the atmosphere of gtfo
runic mauve
I'd argue people are going to get the same experience because of gtfos consisten...
sure, but they're all playing the same lit versions of the maps, so of course they're gonna have the same experience
west crow
Who was making fun of you
runic mauve
unless your point is different from that and i missed it
west crow
Eva is making it seem as me attacking his points is directly attacking him and its difficult to keep the discussion consistent
prisma zodiac
Who was making fun of you
beth and mountains first input in a while is a no context "seeded"
i hopefully do not have to explain why that is not in anyway helpful or meant friendly
west crow
sure, but they're all playing the same lit versions of the maps, so of course th...
Id say the same level and atmosphere maintained the consistency, not the lighting
velvet linden
beth and mountains first input in a while is a no context "seeded"
i hopefully d...
this wasnt a personal attack, i say that to almost everyone here
runic mauve
but now we're back to, lighting playing a part in the atmosphere
west crow
beth and mountains first input in a while is a no context "seeded"
i hopefully d...
I'm not their parents and I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me
hexed vapor
Beep, you go out of your way to be annoying, and you're not exactly an interesting conversation partner.
prisma zodiac
Eva is making it seem as me attacking his points is directly attacking him and i...
Your first points were simple disagreements which, when repeated. Show complete disinterest in the discussion (something i personally take as someone taking it in bad faith). So you telling me to calm down after not having put out your point when i was still calm
was just annoying
hexed vapor
If you actually had a firm belief here, you should be able to state it more clearly
west crow
What's with the insults lmao
runic mauve
but i will concede something in support of your point:
many rooms in say r1b1 have different colorings but i don't think i get very different moods from them
west crow
I've only been able to have a conservation with jarhead so far
hexed vapor
not massively obfuscate whatever you apparently think about atmosphere.
prisma zodiac
this wasnt a personal attack, i say that to almost everyone here
do you know the background. do you know that it gets annoying
do you know that it gets specifically said to me quite often?
raven flare
id say this wasnt fault the people that just came here and tried to joke but of everyone thats been tryin to discuss this cause goddam we wouldnt be here if it wasnt for thwt
it was so obvious
prisma zodiac
I'm not their parents and I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me
never saying you made them say it
its just the whole context of appearantly being annoying to someone being funny
west crow
What
raven flare
we should play portal and see if the lights make u wanna eat cake
velvet linden
do you know the background. do you know that it gets annoying
do you know that i...
how would i know that it specifically gets said to you often when I am not you
west crow
but i will concede something in support of your point:
many rooms in say r1b1 ha...
That's sort of my point but in a larger scale
prisma zodiac
also ray basically voiced my opinion a bit above
olive shoal
none of this is really any level of deep
west crow
I can understand where you're coming from but I believe you're bias towards lighting is unable to see how little it actually affects atmosphere
raven flare
i had so many opinions on the lightning but i didnt let em out cause its futile
west crow
You just decided to spend your time derailing the conversation instead
prisma zodiac
...
prisma zodiac
read rays comment above pls
west crow
Not you Eva there's like 4 people talking
hexed vapor
I can understand where you're coming from but I believe you're bias towards ligh...
But it seems very much like either your position is not stated clearly, or you've changed it over the course of conversation to suit how things have moved along.
prisma zodiac
welp. sry about that then
raven flare
its funkier to talk about sights of guns
prisma zodiac
also beth
dont join discussions if you find them "pathetic" and have nothing to add
hexed vapor
It sounded a lot more like you thought lighting had literally no impact at all on atmosphere.
olive shoal
amazing input eva ill keep it in mind next time !
hexed vapor
And that you were making a claim about the relation between lighting and atmosphere.
west crow
But it seems very much like either your position is not stated clearly, or you'v...
I should have been more specific
prisma zodiac
its funkier to talk about sights of guns
i struggle with some man. its wack
raven flare
also beth
dont join discussions if you find them "pathetic" and have nothing to ...
ok u dont need to involve everyone
its ok, u just, need to calm down
i get it, its been a long day
put on music and relax
its the best output
west crow
Brother
prisma zodiac
you mean people that join in to involve themselves?
runic mauve
I can understand where you're coming from but I believe you're bias towards ligh...
i think it definitely can though
there's an argument to be made that it doesn't have much of an input on gtfo, i can agree with that
but i think it does still have an input
hexed vapor
I should have been more specific
But when you say "it doesn't change that much" or "new players won't notice it," etc., you're not talking about the relationship between lighting and atmosphere at all, you're talking about the impact on atmosphere from a specific perspective.
It's a completely different convo.
runic mauve
There's room for both arguments
sounds like we've just sorta agreed to disagreed then
which works out because my brother needs me to run to the store for him
raven flare
you mean people that join in to involve themselves?
i just think the best option here is if u take a bit of a break
u said u were tired and cant have this convo, so, uh, u can go do other stuff, /pos
i say this cause ive been there, its a long day, im mad and tired and full of shit
so i just went away and watched a movie, so, think its the best move, with all the positive intent
velvet linden
is beeps argument that lighting doesnt affect the atmosphere much?
runic mauve
hope you all have a good day, don't rip each other's throats out over not-that-important-in-the-end arguments please ❤️
west crow
But when you say "it doesn't change that much" or "new players won't notice it,"...
When you phrase it that way sure. My argument is that the lighting can and has changed but that hasn't objectively affected the atmosphere of gtfo in any significant way.
hexed vapor
They've said both it doesn't affect atmosphere much and it's unrelated to atmosphere, so..
raven flare
its ok, we all been insulted before
west crow
Forgive me if all my points are scattered
velvet linden
if the argument is that the lighting changes that occured didn't have a big impact, then i would agree
raven flare
i just dont think its the fault of anyone here but lets just keep the discussion goin again
i could phrase that better
im so bad at english
prisma zodiac
if the argument is that the lighting changes that occured didn't have a big impa...
that was what the discussion came down to
After it looped for roughly 5-10 comments about
"light changes atmosphere"
no
"yes it does, see these examples"
no. incorrect
and i can see how it didnt change much for some people
ive got a friend who hated the changes (and still does). They are very sensitive to the lighting changes in many games
i disagree with them on their perceived impact
west crow
This is a point I've addressed previously
velvet linden
so is this about the lighting changes, or about how lighting in gtfo creates the atmosphere in general?
west crow
The lighting has changed, better or worse that's entirely up to you. It has not had a real significant effect on gtfos atmosphere.
hexed vapor
When you phrase it that way sure. My argument is that the lighting can and has c...
That's going to depend on how important "non-glary" lighting was for the identity of the atmosphere. I will say, the lighting feels significantly different, I think a number of people noticed the change, especially in well-lit areas or places with white lighting.
velvet linden
The lighting has changed, better or worse that's entirely up to you. It has not ...
id agree cause i barely notice the change when playing older rundowns
i mean "remembering" older rundows
west crow
I'm not arguing with either of you that the lightning has changed, it has
raven flare
had to
hexed vapor
It's also a bit weird to talk about the "objective" atmosphere when it seems like player perception is what's at stake.
west crow
Well my point is that it's objective since the majority of people can get a similar if not identical experience relative to the atmosphere of gtfo
hexed vapor
If we are just talking about the objective atmosphere, then it just has changed by virtue of lighting changing, and probably in some areas feeling a bit brighter than before.
That's not objective, that's intersubjective.
west crow
Well my point is intersubjective then
hexed vapor
Sure, then.
prisma zodiac
it started with someone saying the atmosphere changed between rundowns
beep saying no
I said, theres a noticeable difference between r5 and r6 tho
beep said no
Someone made a wack point about enemies not affecting the atmosphere
both beep and me said no
I said lighting (which changed between rundowns) changed the atmosphere
beep said no x3 and said lighting does not change atmosphere
after a bit of a off topic tangent beep voiced his actual opinion.
(correct me if im wrong here beep) that:
"The lightng canges in gtfo didnt impact the atmosphere much"
which is a point thats based on subjective perception of said atmosphere. So theres not much to discuss unless you wanna talk about why
raven flare
its funny cause i had a sgement of atmosphere on a project im makin about gtfo lmao /lh
west crow
its funny cause i had a sgement of atmosphere on a project im makin about gtfo l...
Now you have some different perspectives to consider
hexed vapor
I'd say the atmosphere has changed pretty significantly for people that were used to the old look, but for newer players it's harder to say if they're unaffected or if they're starting from a different place and just not aware of it.
obtuse surge
can you give an example of where the atmosphere in a game did change in a meaningful way to you
raven flare
the forest?
im jokin
west crow
Did you want me to go find one
raven flare
i said the first thing i thought
obtuse surge
i think it would be easier to understand your perception
prisma zodiac
obvious new tiles aside (which i dont count here since its not lighting based)
R6A1 pre and post extension is a good one
hexed vapor
can you give an example of where the atmosphere in a game did change in a meanin...
In R1, hard to say how much is due to lighting changes vs. implementation, but most zones feel very bright compared to OG.
west crow
Easy very similar example would be the shift of tone from early payday 2 to late payday 2
prisma zodiac
the huge lighting change with added flood lights made the whole room feel way sharper
west crow
You can't play early payday 2 and call it the same game as late payday 2
Gameplay, atmosphere, or otherwise
prisma zodiac
in a very subjective "general" take
Old gtfo felt darker and more muddled
new gtfo feels brighter and sharper
obtuse surge
Can you explain in more detail for someone that didn't play payday 🥹
pliant shard
I’m back from my lunch brudas did we figure out the argument of atmosphere and lighting?
prisma zodiac
hope lunch was good
west crow
Can you explain in more detail for someone that didn't play payday 🥹
Closed action shooter vs large horde arcade shooter
hexed vapor
Like, lighting in GTFO for R1-R3 felt to me like many areas leaned more towards pitch black than well-lit, but nowadays I think most areas lean towards well-lit while the only places that are specifically using the pitch black setting.
west crow
Would be it in the simplest terms
west crow
Like level design?
obtuse surge
vs regular alarms or stealth gameplay
things like R2C2
where all the sudden you're ALWAYS in combat
west crow
Across rundowns, most reactors still play like reactors, errors still play like errors, alarms still play like alarms
prisma zodiac
yeah gtfos gameplay hasnt rly changed
west crow
And that's just considering gtfos atmosphere in the context of gameplay
There are other factors
obtuse surge
so you don't want to give the game the privilege of calling it a changing atmosphere because it changes the atmosphere on a level basis instead of a rundown basis
half hornet
Jesus Christ, is this still going
west crow
That's not true. I'd argue that all of the level design encapsulates gtfos atmosphere, in-between levels especially. It's just that it's been consistent across rundowns.
obtuse surge
i'd just consider that the game
west crow
That's fair
velvet linden
doesnt technically everything in the game contribute to the atmosphere in some way?
hexed vapor
Probably, yes.
half hornet
doesnt technically everything in the game contribute to the atmosphere in some w...
Technically speaking... Probably yes.
Just adding a couple of broken bottles to a room changes the vibe of it ever so slightly
velvet linden
Yeah sure, but not all change the atmosphere dramatically.
true, but there are still a shit tonne of factors
prisma zodiac
This is incorrect
Beep
This isnt meant to restart the stupid tangent
But comparing your way of discussing with wesley right now, may you check here, where we started the discussion and what your first 4-5 "answers" were towards me? :/
this is basically why i got agitated when you suddenly told me "I think you're getting a little hot headed over being wrong and incorrect"
hexed vapor
I mean, I think the lighting changes are fairly significant. Even if it's not one specific change in R6, the lighting feels quite different.
More importantly, though, I think why the change is a little annoying for some is that it seems like a bad change that might not even be intentional. In trying to make things look better or polished, the devs ended up just making things look brighter, when I think that perception of things being dark had some value.
half hornet
I think some side by side comparison could be useful here but i don't know how real it is to find the same room with different lightings
The picture in steam preview looks like R6D1 pre-reactor rooms
Hm
Is that where labs tileset was born?
velvet linden
The picture in steam preview looks like R6D1 pre-reactor rooms
you talking about the r3 teaser image?
velvet linden
i mean labs was born in r3
not that youd notice
cause they forgot to make some labs levels to go with it
hexed vapor
Not sure, labs was added in R3, and afaik it and datacenter were both in-dev for a long while before than, both in decently polished states visual-wise.
I would be surprised if that particular reactor bridge existed that early on, though, considering it wasn't actually used until R5 (where it was paired with a matching new reactor tile).
pliant shard
the one with large boy standing there all angry
Isn’t that just the birther?
Unless im looking at the wrong image
Pretty sure it’s b1 too
half hornet
The one you see when you open the article itself
pliant shard
wrong image brother
First the date now the image, can’t have shit in the complex 
velvet linden
ur just mad cause i keep winning
nocturne flax
I like old lighting renderer
Where we had film grain up the ass and sleepers glow like the fucking sun
real moss
Pretty sure it’s b1 too
The mother was in B2
pliant shard
The mother was in B2
fuck that’s 0/3
pliant shard
Hate to see it the downfall
real moss
The one you see when you open the article itself
And yes Labs was added in R3
atomic escarp
What do you guys call Labs, Datacenter, Refinery...? Biomes? Tilesets?
narrow gulch
Tilesets
olive shoal
tilesets probably
my favourite part about r3 is how like 2 of the levels actually use the labs tileset
narrow gulch
Environments is another
errant vigil
That's how each rundown usually was after 3 too tho
errant vigil
2 datacenter in release R4 2 floodways in R5
atomic escarp
R4D2 was all lab? I cant remember
olive shoal
yes
pliant pasture
i call them biomes.
nocturne flax
What do you guys call Labs, Datacenter, Refinery...? Biomes? Tilesets?
Enviroments
chrome rivet
Can you crouch under a scouts tentacles?
pliant pasture
you can make it under, but even turning your mouse can change your model to collide with a tenticle
sage steppe
never worked when i've tried it
solemn wigeon
Im back from playing gtfo (big mistake)
raven flare
big based
solemn wigeon
We won but at what cost
fresh bronze
never worked when i've tried it
Its extremely luck based so I wouldnt even try. If you are gonna crouch to dodge a tentacle you are literally better off praying to land a hammer hit without prep
raven flare
We won but at what cost
bullets
sage steppe
Its extremely luck based so I wouldnt even try. If you are gonna crouch to dodge...
if i'm trapped i usually pop the scout with a high-cal and just fight
sage steppe
We won but at what cost
sanity
raven flare
never too much for gtfo
fresh bronze
if i'm trapped i usually pop the scout with a high-cal and just fight
Early levels it aint a terrible strat
solemn wigeon
Gonna need to be faster next time
plush basin
To get 1 completion
4 hours damn man wtf were you playing R2D1?
solemn wigeon
4 hours damn man wtf were you playing R2D1?
R1c1
runic mauve
jesus
plush basin
whoo man thats rough
solemn wigeon
real moss
wtf
solemn wigeon
Ellda check #408196129470152706-clears
real moss
at least it's less than those peeps from R6C1 but dayum
plush basin
Yeah I know I saw it but idk what it means and all the text is so colourful it hurts my eyes