#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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fresh bronze
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simple things like killing certain enemies or beating certain levels is all it really would need to be

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or beat a level in a certain amount of time for example

plush basin
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yeah those would be fine

fresh bronze
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nothing grindy but cool challenges

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kill a tank with a knife would be a really funny but shitty one

real moss
plush basin
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I know its not the kind of game GTFO is meant to be but I think it would be neat if it tracked your level clear time PB somewhere

real moss
plush basin
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Theres probs a mod that does it tbh

fresh bronze
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but it would absolutely be funny as hell

plush basin
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Theres probs something like snipe 6 blobs then shoot the last one with X shots from Hel rev or something

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then go knife

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That would be fine though

real moss
fresh bronze
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as long as they are interesting challenges and give the achievement to everyone on the team it would definitly be cool

plush basin
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get the spreadsheet pen and paper out 🤓

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yeah it might be a bit toxic everyone competing to get the tank kill

fresh bronze
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like maybe doing levels with restrictions like not using any guns on A1

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lots of ideas for cool challenges

plush basin
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Its probs best for most trackers to be team-wide, if its was kill X scouts

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Wouldn't be good to engender a culture of rushing to kill them

real moss
fresh bronze
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pov beginning of r7d2 racing to see who can find the objective item in the 5 charger scout room first

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stealthy achievement, beat a level without waking any sleepers

plush basin
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Does one shotting in stealth count as waking?

fresh bronze
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could be a situation where you dont kill any sleepers or could count one shots as not waking them

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since you are just sending them to a eternal version of sleep

chilly ivy
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Why weaken the tank first when you can easily knife it from 100%HP to zero?

fossil jetty
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day 1XX of waiting for downRun3. Maybe they are rewriting all the code so there will be no bugs next update... i hope

wary olive
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They are keeping track of how many times people talk about r3. They won't release it until we hit the quota

hallow lark
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Lol

hallow lark
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Is it new stuff?

wary olive
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Burst cannon hel gun

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😊

errant vigil
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Mohter

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moth girl

hallow lark
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…..

raven flare
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giant insect

hallow lark
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R3 is mother filled level?

errant vigil
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Only 2

raven flare
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eh not filled but

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has some

errant vigil
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If only R3C1 was in reverse

hallow lark
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Gotcha

raven flare
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yeah if it only was 1C3R

errant vigil
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would be great

fallow wasp
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Shaking and crying about that social media post

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Us bio tracker users are sorely oppressed

pliant shard
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shaking and crying about no r3 rn

fresh bronze
raven flare
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based

kind swan
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remembers when people said bio wasn't needed unless the level included shadows

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now people take it for bio symbiosis with sniper sentry

fresh bronze
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i literally only take it if running with a bot kek

frail horizon
wary olive
frail horizon
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ohh

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everyday we inch closer

pliant shard
wary olive
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🗒️ ✍️ 37,894

astral ferry
wary olive
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did u search "rundown 3"

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also "ar 3"

pliant shard
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also downRun 3 because it was mentioned

high vortex
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PLEASE release D3

twin dirge
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who R3

signal pollen
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Saw someone with the axe melee, how to acquire it??

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atomic escarp
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||mods||

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it's a hammer skin

real moss
signal pollen
real moss
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It's called: not following the rules

signal pollen
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🤔 ...

real moss
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I'll make it simple for you: there is no axe in the game. Now you can make your own conclusion

glass sundial
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The social feed post hits different when you tag the first wave and kill the entire wave while your team only does scans

high vortex
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I bet the reason they said r3 wasn't releasing yesterday is because it's coming today

real moss
plush basin
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Just watch

nocturne flax
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ill be surprise if they release it today

real moss
plush basin
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I give it 10% odds today, 30% for next Thurs, and 40% for the one after that

real moss
nocturne flax
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I dont expected anything this month

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not even march tbh

real moss
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cause 3rd month for R3. Then ofc for R4 they throw that logic back out the window

plush basin
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Maybe they are taking as many months as the rundown number

real moss
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so 4 months of wait for R4

nocturne flax
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damn

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alt r7 gonna be 7 months

real moss
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R8 will be 8 months AFTER release of Alt R6 😭

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R8 will be HUGE.. BUT you have to pay cause it releases as a standalone expansion 👀

royal lichen
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maybe r3 is late cos the dlss rtx pipeline is misbehaving on their latest unity mono-build?

high vortex
high vortex
plush basin
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I'm an engineer

high vortex
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Oh right on

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I too am an engineer 🙂

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Engineer gang strong 💪

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Nobody calls themselves a hacker ofc

twin dirge
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!modding

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or whatever that command was

hoary musk
dire pelican
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I'm wondering how long will they release all the alt rundown

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Approximately 2 years? Wht a shame

kind swan
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2 years only?

glass mirage
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the shittiest PC out there will be able to run max settings in garden tileset without dropping frames by the time the alts are all out

plush basin
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This was their plan from the start

glass mirage
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no more complaints about the performance that way, I guess

mortal granite
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either you're playing modded or you're having bad connection to steam, like me

twin dirge
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and you said I spread misinformation

mortal granite
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i'm more leaning to the latter because i have that happen too frequently

mortal granite
plush basin
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you don't need to complete all mains on R2?

twin dirge
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no

mortal granite
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oh, now i can see the 1st image...

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my bad

plush basin
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yes

twin dirge
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it's just a bug with the game, you should be able to play E1

raven flare
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they fkin with u, u need to complete all the levels before doin e1 i think

pliant pasture
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it 1000% works that way, for both E level missions out rn

real moss
pliant pasture
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i dabble in living

daring pilot
light lagoon
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Living is optional.

prisma zodiac
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hes waiting for new infos about spear being the worst melee

pliant pasture
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it needs another nerf

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it needs to play a laugh track when you press the sprint button while charging

daring pilot
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one that alerts sleepers

pliant pasture
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when it hits terrain, it wakes up every sleeper in your zone, and behind closed security doora

prisma zodiac
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whenever you use a charged hit your character immediatly gains max stamina

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cant run anyway

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so makes sense right d4rkevDerp

pliant pasture
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if you are able to manage a multi hit with the current multi hit nerf, it deals you damage too

daring pilot
fossil jetty
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Just thought of something to keep the multi hit nature of the spear. How about on a full change it will “poke” twice in quick succession? Damage nerfed, precision buffed to allow multi kills to head without being overpowered to kill giants with 1 or 2 spear users. Makes some logical sense since thrusting twice is easier than swinging a hammer at full charge two times in quick succession? Might have to rethink how to kill a scout with a spear tho…

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I like spear but hammer just better

west crow
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nerf damage 🫵😂

fossil jetty
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2 hits too strong

willow nest
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Ищу 3 игроков

west crow
fresh bronze
fossil jetty
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Was thinking release at full charge: hit then about a 0.6 ish seconds later another automatic full charged hit

fresh bronze
fossil jetty
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Skull issue 😛

pliant pasture
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if they add multi-hit melee weapons, they better be nun-chucks

west crow
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Can I burst cancel the spear multi hit

vivid quartz
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Yeah you have to hit alt and f4 when you swing

twin dirge
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only works on default binds

boreal tendon
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funny that more time has passed since release of altR2 till now than from ogR2 release to ogR3

west crow
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It's time to beat the r3 to r4 milestone ✊😔

burnt goblet
raven flare
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between R2C2 and R6C3, which one is the best?

atomic escarp
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C3 easily

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more shit to do

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longer

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has tanks

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the REAL question is

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R6C3 or geminate C2?

real moss
mortal granite
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artek would be livid if he play modded

kind swan
paper hedge
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Anyone know approx how much longer for R3

velvet linden
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1 hour

paper hedge
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Perfect

pliant pasture
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how do i report hackers? lol

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someone just popped my cherry, but no mother though :/

glass mirage
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mod contact is (probably) the best way

real moss
pliant pasture
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only got screen shots :?

pure orchid
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if you have steam name and screenshots its can potentially help 🙂 And if you remember what they were called in the GTFO server

atomic escarp
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What good does the steam name do tbh

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You cant ask steam to ban them, can you?

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Game doesn't have VAC or anything of the sort

kind swan
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Coffeehhh when name changing exists in GTFO hacking/modding scenes

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and GTFO doesn't even track recently played with accounts on steam

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not to mention the guy clearly isn't dumb enough to use his actual steam name/linked discord account

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but nonetheless. the fucker has nothing better to do in life but troll/ruin peoples games here

nocturne flax
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Remember when on EA we had a kick/ban feature plan 👴PES_Old

kind swan
nocturne flax
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I do believe we officially took longer than the original rundown 3

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Wich is

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I dunno weird

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Internalenable= false > true

fresh bronze
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blind runs in gtfo man

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i love being suddenly teleported to the outside world which is full of sleeping chargers and giant chargers

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even though just prior you where in a gun fight which causes you to instantly fire waking all of them up

wary olive
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watch a guide if you dont like doing runs blind

fresh bronze
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i prefer blind runs but if levels are gonna have shit like that

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no indicator for the teleport it just happens

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such bad game design

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that is literally the first time i ever felt like this game was completely unfair with a mechanic

mortal granite
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their "hint" isn't cleared enough

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before teleport, the objective did say something something "Matter wave projector collapse"

fresh bronze
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definitly didnt see that and none of my mates did either

mortal granite
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but it still isn't cleared enough

fresh bronze
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kinda hard to notice in a section like that where your already drained of resources fighting to survive

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even with the warning there hasnt been sleepers in any other teleport

mortal granite
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it's understandable that you didn't notice it quick enough

fresh bronze
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honestly feel cheated on that run we probably wouldnt have gotten much further but atleast should have gotten to experience that section before being forced to reset

mortal granite
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it do feel a bit cheaty

wary olive
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r6d4 had that

mortal granite
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but ^

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but still Ryk, it do feel a bit cheaty

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"a bit"

atomic escarp
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anyway you learnt what happens and you know for next time

mortal granite
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it gave you 7 seconds to react

wary olive
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so do some other parts, it depends on how well you can deal with it. r6d3 tank in last blood door some teams feel cheated because they couldnt prepare

fresh bronze
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the moment pretty much all of us fired our gun and we had a assload of enemies pouring in on us without time to prepare or know the area made it basically a instant wipe

wary olive
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others can deal with it

fresh bronze
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thats fair its whatever

mortal granite
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i believed, in R6D4, at least everyone are ready to BE teleported

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not like r7E1 tho

fresh bronze
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but dying because a sudden teleport you had no clue was coming is honestly just unfair

atomic escarp
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surprises are good

fresh bronze
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like atleast when you open a door you know there is something coming

atomic escarp
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if every level was predictable that would be lame as fuck

fresh bronze
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start a alarm there will be waves

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you are prepared for whatever happens

atomic escarp
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le funni teleport

fresh bronze
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but that was the end of a full room scan we where not at all expecting anything

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was going to do e1 basically blind but it aint happening now

atomic escarp
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you only lost half an hour, not a huge deal

fresh bronze
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yeah but if its going to be to stuff like that ima pass

atomic escarp
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figuring out the reactor by yourself would be interesting tho trollirredeemable

fresh bronze
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im just going to learn the level before hand that completely ruined my enjoyment of the level

atomic escarp
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good luck

mortal granite
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here's the thing Sub

fresh bronze
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i enjoyed everything up to that one moment

mortal granite
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people like getting "wipe" because it means the level = Hard

atomic escarp
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only reason you didn't enjoy that is cos u wiped, if something else wiped you, you'd be complaining about that instead

fresh bronze
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we died like 5 or 6 times getting there

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we aint good with tanks yet and its been fun doing it

mortal granite
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that's why people didn't like vanilla level anymore

fresh bronze
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but losing to something like that is genuinely not fun

atomic escarp
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do you have your own team?

fresh bronze
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dying due to a fault of the team is not annoying

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yeah we got a group who have learned the game together

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altho 4th player is a revolving door

atomic escarp
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and no one knows anything of E1 beyond where youve made it to?

fresh bronze
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so its a 100 hour a 150 hour and a 200 hour and whatever 20-30 hour 4th player we have

fresh bronze
atomic escarp
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unless you're super bent on playing blind you're definitely gonna want a guide, trial and error on the reactor would take you MANY attempts

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especially since your team is not that experienced

mortal granite
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i believed he'll enjoy after that part as well

fresh bronze
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its not a big deal trial and erroring levels its just demoralizing losing to something like that

atomic escarp
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I hope your team is good at hard stealth

fresh bronze
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we called it a night after that and ive never seen my group leave vc so quick

atomic escarp
mortal granite
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you'll enjoy the later part Sub

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guarantee no BS

fresh bronze
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love good hard stealth

atomic escarp
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ho about hard stealth under time pressure?

fresh bronze
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and reactors are not bad if you use a premade map like we are

fresh bronze
atomic escarp
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pro tip, shut the door between zone 452 A and B rooms, you'll thank me later

fresh bronze
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charger scouts are a meme lmfao

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we dont even do callouts half the time and still get it

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guess its a side effect of playing around 2000 hours worth of games with one guy

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we are just gonna watch a guide we agreed on it before we called it a night

mortal granite
fresh bronze
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normally dont look at strategies for levels until we beat it but this level is going to be rough otherwise

mortal granite
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but it'll be helpful at least if your team make mistake

mortal granite
fresh bronze
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yeah i expected it to be really hard

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and im glad it is

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does the immortal stay around for reactor or no

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managing him isnt hard but its annoying

mortal granite
atomic escarp
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https://youtu.be/JxKluQqmp7k there's better strats than whats in here but it will give you the basics

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fresh bronze
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ill watch it later before we play the level again

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no clue when that will be

mortal granite
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if you watch it, then you won't be playing it blind

atomic escarp
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it's been well established he doesn't care

errant vigil
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Permacheese strat

fresh bronze
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looking at how many there are we stood no chance even if we knew they where there lmfao

errant vigil
fresh bronze
mortal granite
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we do

errant vigil
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All the enemies in the level get killed when you teleport

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So when you return he’s gone

fresh bronze
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good

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managing him is such a nuisance

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he def makes the scans harder tho

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the rest of the time is def just a annoyance

mortal granite
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if you saw him as an annoyance, it did it job

errant vigil
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Yea would have like or have a way to trap you in a zone with him for more tight action scan fights and maneuvering

fresh bronze
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we noticed he has really shitty ai

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so there is a bunch of spots where he literally just freezes

mortal granite
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he has the tank ai

errant vigil
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That’s all the enemies

mortal granite
errant vigil
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He’s just slow

fresh bronze
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so we just freeze him with one person and let the other people do everything that isnt full team requiring

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like for the blood door we just do the scan and dont open the door until someone has him frozen a few rooms over

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then we just kill the two tanks

mortal granite
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yes

fresh bronze
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if tanks charged you like chargers do they would be so fucking hard to kill lmfao

atomic escarp
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thats what literally everyone does

fresh bronze
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but instead they do that standing around nonsense

mortal granite
fresh bronze
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yeah i know i think most would

errant vigil
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He’d also die faster

fresh bronze
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there ai is def wacky

mortal granite
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charger ai usually only have 2 modes

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Tongue and melee

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they'll tongue you first, if miss/hit -> melee

fresh bronze
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i expected them to be more erratic like other enemies but tanks are honestly pretty immobile

mortal granite
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i would like some modder put charger AI on tank/immortal and see what's up

wary olive
mortal granite
fresh bronze
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the level would be only for the best of the best if that was the case but it prob be cool to see

mortal granite
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so they'll learn instantly after the first

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but

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here's the thing Ryk

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we already have this happen in C1

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so they are known that, picking the datacube up will tp them

errant vigil
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Tank with charger ai wouldn’t be interesting

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Immortal however

fresh bronze
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honestly tanks are a lot less dangerous than big chargers imo

mortal granite
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so, if they are running around after grabbing the datacube, then that's totally 100% their fault

fresh bronze
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ive had big chargers alone wipe my entire team quite a few times but i just dont see a tank doing it

wary olive
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yeah but he's arguing not only that the tp is unexpected, but that firing because of that unexpected tp wakes up the whole zone and caused a wipe, that same thing happened to a lot of people in d4, but it wasnt that the tp was unexpected, it was that they would be tp'ed into a zone of sleeping bigs

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only tp prior to that is C1 where there are no enemies

fresh bronze
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i never played that far into r6 so i never knew of that tp

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was only refering to the tps in current game

errant vigil
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Chargers actually have sniper melee so gaunt chargers hit you from Narnia

wary olive
mortal granite
fresh bronze
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had some funny ass desync where a charger was literally punching me from 15 meters away

mortal granite
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in R6C1, when you pick up the datacube, it tp you

wary olive
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yes, but you can be sprinting/shooting all you want for that one

mortal granite
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you're now learn that, picking that up will tp you

fresh bronze
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was already 20 hp so didnt matter but still wacky

mortal granite
wary olive
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i disagree but ok

mortal granite
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for r7E1, it write random word on the objective text

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not everyone will know what is it

fresh bronze
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it could honestly be fixed by adding a second or two grace period to the teleports and it probably wouldnt effect the game at all in terms of difficulty

mortal granite
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unless we have the same text on R7C2...

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then it's fair game

atomic escarp
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I had a dream where it was the end of may and still no r3

errant vigil
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Nice

fresh bronze
fresh bronze
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i was to focused on the horde of chargers that just spawned and not dying

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to even notice it

mortal granite
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the game is really heavy on reading objective text tho

fresh bronze
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usually you have time to read it

mortal granite
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it lasted 7 seconds

fresh bronze
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and none of my team noticed either

twin dirge
fresh bronze
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the top left objectives are def important but the pop up ones are usually just story aswell

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or just restate top left

errant vigil
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Eh

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They’re pretty important as well

fresh bronze
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i usually miss the pop up ones either way regardless of situation

mortal granite
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i believed if you play enough of this game, you'll always look at the pop up

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it was always important

wary olive
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those ones are pretty helpful

fresh bronze
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never really needed to

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maps are pretty well laid out in the progress you need to follow

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altho having dialogue and subtitles turned off first time i went into d2 had me hella confused on what the objective was

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prob the only time i had no clue what to do

mortal granite
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when you tied your objective into lore heavy objective

twin dirge
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lmao

fresh bronze
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was kinda hard to get into game lore starting so far into it and i couldnt be assed to go back and watch the 2 hour youtube videos explaining it

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i dont really enjoy story based games anyways so was never interested to begin with

errant vigil
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I’d rather go back to lore in logs or audio files on certain terminals

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And not forced down my throat

twin dirge
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yeah tbh it feels too forced since R6

errant vigil
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Remove the lore scans in R6 plz

fresh bronze
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ive had dialogue and subtitles turned off since hour 20 lmfao

errant vigil
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A games lore is way better when it’s subtle and requires a bit of looking to figure out and find

fresh bronze
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fallout does game lore in my favorite way

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its mostly visual and more indepth info is hidden around on terminals and other things

errant vigil
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I like dark souls lore through items

fresh bronze
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never a game i could get into because keyboard felt so uncomfortable

errant vigil
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I don’t blame ya

fresh bronze
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if the controls where more comfortable id prob love the game but it just never clicked with me

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and buying a controller and all that just aint worth it for a game idk if i would like

twin dirge
fresh bronze
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fallout lore esspecially in new vegas is honestly one of the only games that i find lore interesting in

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diablo 3 was also pretty cool but just a really strange one to go through

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more like reading a book than playing a game if you want the lore

mortal granite
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i believed gtfo was a little too complex for normal player to get into

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we're from "prisoner get send down a complex blind" to "FUCKING ALIEN TELEPORTING, TIME TRAVEL "

twin dirge
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it doesn't even feel that gritty anymore

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oh if I die it doesn't matter cause lore-wise my character lives on anyway

mortal granite
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idk if it's lore-wise or just a gameplay dialouge

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they have to make it make sense gameplay wise

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i think in lore, you're still surviving on your own

errant vigil
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Even before R6 every expedition was a success

mortal granite
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i believe that, if they didn't record those voice line

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people will go "the devs didn't bother record some voice line for the checkpoint?"

fresh bronze
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i like game lore

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i dont like audio making it harder to listen to sleepers even if its unintrusive most of the time

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so i just turned it off same with music

twin dirge
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for me it's just hearing the voice lines over and over
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING" "GRAB THE MEMORY STICK"

fresh bronze
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yeah me and my buddy spent 15 minutes having no clue what we where looking for after meleeing the scout room

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had to look up a guide to figure out what the fuck to do

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checked most of the boxes but not all of them so we missed the mem stick

atomic escarp
real moss
atomic escarp
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Prisoners had a talk with the sleepers, and used their charisma to make them go back to sleep and close the door?

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"It's just a prank, bro", then backpedal and close the sec door

real moss
mortal granite
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not everything have to be "lore related"

fresh bronze
kind swan
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Sledge hammer certified

glass mirage
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just another set of lines that are in the game but never play

pliant pasture
atomic escarp
glass mirage
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they make a lot more sense in that context

nocturne flax
glass mirage
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you and me both

nocturne flax
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Makes sense

glass mirage
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you can get them back with a certain mod but

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is it really so much to ask for one line after every alarm or something

nocturne flax
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Most "custom" sounds are just triggered by events, why bother fixing and adding audio

nocturne flax
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They dont stop talking kekw

glass mirage
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That's on you. Change your configs.

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I'm not saying the mod is for everyone tho, find it annoying if you want

twin dirge
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I love how modding sounds like this "you can do anything" while being "no one has done jack shit" thing

kind swan
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I just wanna change the opening of the game to Pen pineapple apple pen

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what's wrong with that?

mellow creek
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when scouts that roots player

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gona appear

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or bright red scouts that summons mother father

glass mirage
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scout waves are determined by the level, so you wouldn't need a different scout for stronger summons

twin dirge
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giant scout that summons wave of giants for R8

mellow creek
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no

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i just want it to be different

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giving dev ideas coz they seems to be running out of one

frail horizon
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im coz

mortal granite
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bright red scout

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cough pre-alpha scout cough

mellow creek
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scouts that cannot be detected by bioscan

orchid kindle
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sneeky spaghetti

mortal granite
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"hey, let throw in a BS enemy, what the worst thing it could happen"

twin dirge
orchid kindle
raven cosmos
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r3

raven flare
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fuck r3

kind swan
twin dirge
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he need that R3 to calm down

raven flare
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u heretics

kind swan
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says the one tryna fuck it

frail horizon
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wrong interpretation

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you got your mind in the gutter

prisma zodiac
#

@pliant pasture @atomic escarp

maybe better idea to keep this discussion here in a way

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also this was my general idea on difficulty for vets

pliant pasture
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all these are assuming all optionals/pe right?

real moss
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Yes

real moss
prisma zodiac
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y

real moss
# prisma zodiac y

Well when Calle will finally start working /j We'll have to add the R3 missions to the mix

pliant pasture
prisma zodiac
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Calle didnt even DM me back Sadge

pliant pasture
real moss
real moss
pliant pasture
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he sure is our only point of contact lol

fresh bronze
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R7e1 is astronomically harder than c3 imo

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Same time tho c2 and d1 where nowhere near as hard as c3 from a newer players prospective aka me kek

prisma zodiac
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i mean we made a tierlist for experienced players and for newer players

fresh bronze
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My friend said c3 s tier for making him suffer

nocturne flax
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Man this 7 levels do be hard to recreate

pliant pasture
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as someone who never played them, maybe they are just incredibly subtle and big and awesome and worth it?

eternal dragon
nocturne flax
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each

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A1 itself had 32

pliant pasture
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Every Zone A Raid

west crow
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Vacation ended yesterday 🥰

raven flare
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ah

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well that explains it

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easy

mellow creek
#

neeed scouts that mutates

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if alerted

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into attac scouts

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instead of defen scout

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like maybe nearest sleepers be transformed into something weird

errant vigil
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scout already attacks friend

vivid quartz
fossil jetty
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Surely alt downRun3 is the one that starts to diverge off past history… that’s why it’s taking so long.. right?

twin dirge
atomic escarp
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wdym man pablo is peak design

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I agree that pablo ain't really the best, but at least it's something a bit different

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I realized I would like him more if he'd get stunned for a bit after taking X damage rather than just being immune and that's it

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Then again, in that case, there wouldn't be much difference from an error of tanks, would it?

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
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Yeah the tier-list was about maps being difficult

real moss
fresh bronze
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an enjoyment tier list would look very different lmfao

bold widget
west crow
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Despite r7e1 being linear and the immortal being implemented poorly, I personally believe it has the strongest pacing and consistent difficulty experience out of all the other e1 levels.

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The individual parts probably don't compare that well to the other e1 levels, but the sum of its parts are absolutely better than the other e1's sums.

fresh bronze
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ill give you that there is basically no spikes in difficulty the whole thing is hard unlike many other levels which have key chokepoints that are way harder than the rest of the level

atomic escarp
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I feel like the only hard bit is the last 5-10 minutes, tho I haven't played the level in pubs so that may be a biased view

fresh bronze
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from fresh eyes of the level and levels of that difficulty in general the whole level is hard as hell without someone who knows the ins and outs of the level

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no level currently released really compares

atomic escarp
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yeah doing it blind would be a nightmare

fresh bronze
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imo the easiest part of r7e1 is closer to the hardest part of shit like r7c3 in diff

atomic escarp
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but once you have the strats (like parking pablo, foam room scan, holding in shadow room etc) most of the level is a breeze, tho it is incredibly easy for one person to fuck everything for everyone

fresh bronze
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yeah and thats what i really consider to be difficult

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mistakes in that level compound into a wipe extremely fast

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one man going down in the room scan or the class v s alarm is basically fucking over the rest of the level

west crow
atomic escarp
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the room scan isn't a huge deal but the first alarm you'll probably waste alot of ammo if someone goes down

atomic escarp
fresh bronze
atomic escarp
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alot of levels you can do blind or first try

fresh bronze
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most levels tbh

atomic escarp
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yeah

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R7E1 being a very notable exception

fresh bronze
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id say the only levels that are exceptionally hard blind are r7d1 r7c3 and r7e1 and maybe r2d2

atomic escarp
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also in most levels having one person fuck up alot isn't the worst thing, most situations are salvageable, but in R7E1 it just takes one person to set off a cscout in pmom room and that's almost always game over

fresh bronze
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both r7d1 and r2d2 being due to terminal locations being cancer if you are terrible at navigating like i am

atomic escarp
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wish they'd fix R7D1 lol

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doubt it will ever happen tho

fresh bronze
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r7c3 id say all situations are salvagable except setting off one or more scouts in the big room before the armory rush

atomic escarp
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guys R3 is taking a while cos they're working on a massive bug fix update AngelCopium

fresh bronze
#

with all the giants and shit combined with waves of smalls that is a rough one to recover from if its even possible to survive

wary olive
#

R7C2 is also difficult blind

fresh bronze
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with the overload def

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they kinda ruined the secondary with the checkpoint

wary olive
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Not just that, the intuitive order is to do overload with cells 3/4, not 5/6

atomic escarp
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checkpoint? ruining something? never heard of

fresh bronze
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all the tension of the secondary is lost because of that checkpoint

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i understand them for main but sec and ovl should be hard not checkpoint scummable

prisma zodiac
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Yeah r7c2 will suprise you if you want to do overload on 3/4 without prior knowledge

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also r2d2 rly isnt bad blind

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it gives a lot of time

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of r2d2 had a bit more struggle with the scout zone being open and the terminal being way back

fresh bronze
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when we realized what we had to do for c2 overload I was like "I got work tommorow and dont have time for this nonsense lets do it another time"

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and aint played it sense

wary olive
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I forget if you do overload with cells 3/4 do you have error + full fog or just error

fresh bronze
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the error is why we didnt do it

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is it not a problem with 5/6?

atomic escarp
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then charger zone

wary olive
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You are not understanding my question

prisma zodiac
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but you can do the alarm with very minor fog

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but the zone itself and path back will be fog

atomic escarp
fresh bronze
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fog really do be such a hard mechanic to work around

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1% hp submerged in fog hurts my soul

prisma zodiac
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its fun

atomic escarp
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you can use foggies to get off one shot but it's still hard

prisma zodiac
#

i unironically like fog levels if its implemented well

fresh bronze
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i dont mind fog as long as its not the extremely dense shit like in r7b2

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i like to be able to see something

atomic escarp
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cancer fog sucks

prisma zodiac
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r7b2 fog barely does anything

fresh bronze
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once i can barely see the ground its to dense

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if i can see a bit in front of me and all that i can live with it

wary olive
#

Ok yeah I checked a vod if you do ovl with 3/4 you are holding error in full fog

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
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R5E1 has the best implementation of fog

wary olive
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Im presuming you don't know that you can do overload with cells 3/4

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Because everyone just does it with 5/6

atomic escarp
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I do know that

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like

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I know you can

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I've tried it

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was not easy

fresh bronze
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my group never even considered doing it with 5/6

atomic escarp
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never done it successfully tho

fresh bronze
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and 3/4 looked way to difficult and time consuming going into it blind

wary olive
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Ok then you understood I guess

prisma zodiac
#

For examples

i rly like the implementation of infectous fog like in r6c2, r7c2, r7b3

but i dislike it in r6d4 or r5b1

atomic escarp
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I mean it's clearly intended since the cells are close by

wary olive
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Idk why you single out that you can clear donut room without fog because that doesn't change in the first place

atomic escarp
prisma zodiac
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you pre clear donut room before doing the fog terminal alarm

wary olive
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You can clear donut before doing 2nd term scan

atomic escarp
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u asked if overload in full fog

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u can do half of overload without fog

fresh bronze
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i cannot imagine doing donut room after starting the fog and shit

wary olive
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Bruh you never clear donut in full fog that's not even part of the question

atomic escarp
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wait

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ok sure w/e

fresh bronze
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every time we got to that room the damn door was surrounded in sleepers if there was fog it would be a nightmare to clear

atomic escarp
#

i understand now

wary olive
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At least for me, I just consider overload the flyer alarm and glp zone

atomic escarp
pliant pasture
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lol i like that getting the bulkhead key doesn't even count for either of you for Overload on r7c2

obtuse cedar
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Nobody ever considered just pulling overload while doing the terminal scans huh. I see people still don't innovate

prisma zodiac
#

as if nobody ever thought of that lol

obtuse cedar
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Are you lumping yourself with pubs now?

pliant pasture
#

pulling the triple charger scout zone? it spawns scout waves of normal enemies while a zone of BBCs are flowing in?

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is that better than just going through the donut room with no fog?

obtuse cedar
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You have less enemies overall

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Cause the alarm wont be spawning much enemies because overload will probably have you spawn cap

pliant pasture
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are scout waves smaller than alarm waves?

obtuse cedar
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They are about the same.

pliant pasture
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because the scout waves spawn closer back to back than alarm waves

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plus a charger zone at the same time

obtuse cedar
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Chargers will be done before you see normal enemies show up

narrow gulch
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Why would you innovate a harder method

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Am I missing something

prisma zodiac
#

its more of a speedy strat than actually safe

pliant pasture
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its faster sure, does it save any ammo than just stealthing the Charger zone?

obtuse cedar
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Yes

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You have less enemies overall. If you don't perfect Stealth it

pliant pasture
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plus defending from two directions is a notch harder as well.

obtuse cedar
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Not really

pliant pasture
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this sure is an innovations

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okay

obtuse cedar
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You have plenty of alarms that make you defend multiple ways in the game

pliant pasture
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uh huh. this is fact

obtuse cedar
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And again. Chargers are faster then normal enemies. They will be dealt with before you see much normal enemies coming from the other side

pliant pasture
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there are surge alarms too

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oh! there are error alarms too right?

obtuse cedar
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It's not like levels still get nerfed with every updates

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Oh wait

pliant pasture
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the first room in the third alarm reduction in R7d1 got changed twice now, back to release layout

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it got changed with aR2's relases and changed back a few weeks ago, did anyone know why they did that?

prisma zodiac
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id still not recommend it if you are comfortable in stealthing overload. but if the early part is shit (like 2 bbcs in the door and 2 scouts first room) then just pull and start the alarm tbf

pliant pasture
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but knowing it has BBCs at the door would require opening it and knowing you are pulling during the scan anyway

obtuse cedar
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Or you know. Have the command ready, pull and kill the stuff at the door, enter the command while the rest arrive to you

pliant pasture
olive shoal
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this is so innovative

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i dont see it being that ammo efficient tbh

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not like ammo is much of an issue on that level anyway

obtuse cedar
#

You mean any level

olive shoal
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true

obtuse cedar
#

What even is resource management

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It doesn't exist in this game

errant vigil
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He doesn't pick up any resources

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Real

azure sedge
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now i know what has been holding me back from becoming a better player, i just simply lack innovation

olive shoal
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hi lea big fan

narrow gulch
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so true

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you must do the level in a different way or you will be lumped with the pubs

pliant pasture
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i know for improving my play its more about increasing synergy and doing more with less

azure sedge
olive shoal
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no me

obtuse surge
pliant pasture
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can similar tiles replace each other based on spawn rates? i have never heard of this bug

velvet linden
obtuse surge
wary olive
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Forbidden tank zone tile...

pliant pasture
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i haven't seen the rooms change before though

prisma zodiac
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oh they do change quite a lot

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its actually quite cool for that level

wary olive
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Tank zone A doesn't change a lot

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I've only had it like 3 times out of ~120

pliant pasture
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when i have had Tank zone A change it also changes every room in West Hub zone

hexed vapor
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There's a room somewhere in I believe the error path that has too much stuff in it, same as R7D2.

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And it's causing markers in the stealth area to reroll.

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Oh, looks like this was already covered.

pliant pasture
kind swan
nocturne flax
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R3 tomorrow for sure

pliant pasture
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for sure for sure

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i have seen it

nocturne flax
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Fr fe no cap

thick linden
#

Did the Dev remake the structure of the Tank room in R7D1 ?

eternal dragon
#

Yes, they’re still working very hard on this game!

velvet flower
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The tank room or the zone before the tank security door? That zone can also have different marker per run.

long stag
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best artifact is....

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skill eff. +

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😄

long stag
analog hollow
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So invisible sleepers do exist i have just found. not sure if you are supposed to stealth them I just woke them up so i could use the tracker

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R7B2 could almost be done loud. Id say i went about half of it loud since I did the secondary which is all invisible guys

plush basin
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Both approaches are fine, you can see them up close if you shine a light on them if you want to stealth

analog hollow
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high caliber pistol was the way to go for those invisible ones

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plus giants

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i found you can 3 shot a giant in the gut with the high caliber pistol if you are close enough

plush basin
#

Maybe from behind

wary olive
analog hollow
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ah ok i wasnt factoring the bots and turret fire that only hit a few shots then

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but still a 4 shot is pretty good

twin dirge
#

R3 will balance the game

fresh bronze
analog hollow
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invisible bigs?

fresh bronze
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yeah nothing like walking into a enemy you cant see and dying in a fraction of a second because of it

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they are pretty fun to fight depending on the room

analog hollow
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damn

fresh bronze
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if you have trouble with em you can always take a thermal weapon but the two thermal weapons are kinda trash

real moss
analog hollow
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not ones that are sleeping

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i know what they are

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just ones that are already up and about

real moss
analog hollow
analog hollow
real moss
analog hollow
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The next one is so damn hard with just bots

real moss
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Not legit

fresh bronze
real moss
analog hollow
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I mean ive done all of R1 with bots. I know its not as hard as the later ones. I also did beat R1B1 solo

fresh bronze
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pdw is okay but not a great primary while precision rifle is questionable choice

real moss
analog hollow
fresh bronze
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i love running thermals but god damn they just dont cut it in some levels

analog hollow
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I also did manage the first few of R7 with bots

fresh bronze
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i usually prefer to run pdw over precision when i choose thermal weapons

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r7 c1 will be a extreme challenge for you

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its really fucking bad with bots

real moss
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Like no one has managed legit

fresh bronze
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my run with bots took me like 9 hours

analog hollow
real moss
analog hollow
#

With the fog turbine? all the way back to the start?

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and the overlord?

real moss
#

Yes PE

analog hollow
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so you die of the fog

wary olive
#

bot with biotracker > carrying turbine

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🫡

real moss
#

you max at 1 %

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but you Don die

analog hollow
#

yeah but you cant take a single hit

real moss
analog hollow
#

god

real moss
#

It's on youtube

fresh bronze
real moss
#

Pure solo even, no bots

analog hollow
#

i mean i did that like 5 times in one go trying both with and without the overlord

fresh bronze
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i know the levels by tier and number not by name

plush basin
#

Vault must be R7B3 I think

prisma zodiac
analog hollow
#

R7B2

plush basin
#

based on the discussion

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oh

real moss
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Nah vault is R7B3

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R7B2 is dense

analog hollow
#

oh wait yeah

real moss
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With the shadow secondary

analog hollow
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i just did dense

fresh bronze
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okay yeah that level is def doable pe with even 2 bots and 2 players

analog hollow
#

primary and secondary with bots

prisma zodiac
analog hollow
fresh bronze
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altho 3 bots is rough for sure

fresh bronze
analog hollow
#

for real? because you have to carry the turbine and the cargo so you can only have two people shooting

fresh bronze
analog hollow
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and only move as fast as the turbine

real moss
#

no bots

fresh bronze
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i dont think bots are effected by fog at all

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just let them shoot

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solo without bots tho is actually insane

analog hollow
#

well i dont trust the bots and i dont want to be the one with the turbine

prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
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should learn to trust them they have better aim then most players as long as a wall isnt in the way

analog hollow
fresh bronze
#

they just dont land headshots

wary olive
analog hollow
#

i found the pdw only works in burst fire

fresh bronze
#

if im burst firing i just prefer carbine

prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
#

the special guns are cracked in general

real moss
#

In any case your solo adventure will probably stop at R7D1

analog hollow
#

Eh i think it has its place on certain levels

prisma zodiac
analog hollow
#

the gun that is actually the worst is the machine pistol

prisma zodiac
#

and at least that one actually has a high skill ceiling

analog hollow
#

ok wait no hell shotgun is pretty bad too

fresh bronze
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yeah precision aint unusuable by any means but its def not the best single shot weapon

prisma zodiac
#

Hel shotgun is insanely strong

fresh bronze
#

ive never been able to use it effectively tbh

analog hollow
#

how? it fucking farts like 2 damage and i die

fresh bronze
#

the pierce makes it good but im just shit with it

prisma zodiac
#

its magazine is nearly triple the dmg of most other mains

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and thats without pierce

real moss
#

It does good stuff in surge alarms

analog hollow
#

now regular shotgun. is a good gun. the ammo count on that thing tho? god

fresh bronze
#

did its ammo count change since r6?

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i aint used it in a while and i dont remember it holding as much ammo as it currently does

prisma zodiac
analog hollow
#

i havent gotten to use the sawn off. it was before my time

prisma zodiac
prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
real moss
fresh bronze
#

oh

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kek its been so long ive forgotten

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only gun in the game i consider bad is honestly sniper because its so fucking niche

analog hollow
#

i still think the game needs a silenced primary weapon. primary because its the biggest trade off. i feel like if there was a silenced secondary that would just break the game. but low ammo high single target damage. silenced pistol. still distance dependent on the sound

fresh bronze
#

waiting for scattergun my beloved to come back

fresh bronze
prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
#

djdna made me aware

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has it changed ammo at all then

analog hollow
prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
#

i must be mixing it with something else because i remember it having a much smaller max ammo

prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
#

i love sniper but its the only secondary i almost never use

prisma zodiac
#

sniper shouldnt be a permanent use

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that was the case in r6

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it shows that sniper is busted

fresh bronze
#

oh yeah i ran it regularly in r6

analog hollow
#

Only one i can think is R7B1 i think? it has 9 giants at the very end and i had to use the sniper for that my second attempt

real moss
#

R6 sniper was ridiculous

prisma zodiac
#

and you can as easily shotgun them

real moss
analog hollow
#

maybe im not thinking of the right level. its after the last door. you stand in the extract and 9 giants come

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i was new to the game at the time

fresh bronze
#

but now a ammo pack is 3 bullets which reserves it for shit like tanks mothers and if the situation calls for it hybrids/giants

prisma zodiac
#

r2b1. Its 6 tho

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unless you mean r2c2 which has between 6-10 come

prisma zodiac
analog hollow
#

yeah that might be it

prisma zodiac
#

sniper tly needs 4 per refill

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it was giga busted at 6 per refill

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3.6 just aint it

analog hollow
#

wait it has 12 max and gets 3 per refil?

prisma zodiac
#

3.6*

analog hollow
#

it should be 4

fresh bronze
#

if i need high damage secondary i usually run high cal

prisma zodiac
#

means it goes between 3 and 4 depending on hidden %

fresh bronze
#

it can be used pretty effectively against smalls and still covers for boss enemies

prisma zodiac
#

high cal is a all rounder until chargers say hi

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choke just deals with them and bosses a lot lot better

fresh bronze
#

yeah chargers are a killer for a lot of weapons honestly

real moss
fresh bronze
#

ive noticed hel revolver really suffers with chargers

real moss
#

it staggers em with 2 shots

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Never had issues with chargers whil using hel revo

prisma zodiac
#

should be1 shot dna

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not 2

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same for pistol (tho it has a stagger multi)

real moss
fresh bronze
#

not really refering to stagger

prisma zodiac
#

hel revo and dmr are quite good vs chargers for mains

fresh bronze
#

5 shots to kill is pretty brutal for a mag size of 8

prisma zodiac
#

4 shots means you can cleanly know when it kills

prisma zodiac
fresh bronze
#

huh

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either way still quite painful

prisma zodiac
#

eh

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most mains have to severely mag dump

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its not their job

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to kill em

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hel revo can kill 4 per mag and easily stall a lot

real moss
#

I'm just waiting for the charger surge

fresh bronze
#

im not great with piercing weapons as a baseline but yeah the pistol feels underwhelming for its ammo count

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goes a damn good job with shooters and strikers tho

prisma zodiac
#

Pistol is suffering from power creep after suffering a nerf itself

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they nerfed its range going into r6

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its still an absolute beast short range

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easy to be insanely efficient. Great stagger

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short reload

fresh bronze
#

hel relvover is such a large step up tho

prisma zodiac
#

Also basically no hipfire

#

hel revo is a large step up from everything but carbine and hel shotgun

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and hel shotgun mostly cuz it also has pierce and is ridicolus short range

fresh bronze
#

carbine has been my favorite main since i started in r6

#

such a fun weapon

atomic escarp
#

carbine is rly good

fresh bronze
#

i dont really like full auto weapons but the main single shot weapons have some oddities about them

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carbine is a comfy middleground

atomic escarp
#

"oddity" meaning dmr's scope obv

fresh bronze
#

dmr is a weapon i can only run on a good day

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man sometimes i hit headshots every shot other days i miss every shot

prisma zodiac
#

its interesting how people often seems to think hel shotty is bad

fresh bronze
#

i think ive had it mixed up with another weapon lmfao i thought it had half as much ammo as it does

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probably because one of my friends when we where newer to r7 ran it all the time and was always out of ammo

prisma zodiac
#

thats pretty much always a player issue

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i mean new people unironically rock bullpup/prec rifle/spear quite often

fresh bronze
#

yeah it likely caused me to form opinions without realizing it

atomic escarp
#

hel shotgun was extremely good on geminate C2

fresh bronze
#

decided to run it in a actual game and yeah its pretty hard to learn is probably one reason many people dont like it

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i can already tell id have to run it over and over for a while before i was even competent with it

west crow
#

People just monkey mode with the hel shotgun. It's a stagger weapon, that's best used by shooting in-between staggers of a wave, but people seem to just hold it down. Same with the veruta. It's why many people just complain about how the veruta is hard to control.

prisma zodiac
#

It can definetly melt through waves like nothing else in the right circumstance

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but generally its just insane at aoe stagger

west crow
#

It'd argue you could do the same with the hel revo more consistently

#

Hel shot can definitely do it better, just not always

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And that "not always" puts you in a 3 second reload

prisma zodiac
#

yea

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the moment when it triumps hel revo in killing is on choke point holds like narrow staircases and such when a full wave is going up

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but thats not common. Which is also why i dont consider it as good as hel revo or carbine

kind swan
#

Too many pubs that teach newbies that hel shotgun is "Bad"

#

I tell them it's a stagger weapon/support or as dark said. Melt hordes in the right circumstances.

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But the mindset these randoms have refuses to accept it

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personally. My biggest issue is still sway bug qwq

twin dirge
#

sway bug or just hit stun?

kind swan
#

Sway bug

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Swap to shotgun and shoot wall/floor instead of reticle

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It's slower but I've been tryna make it habit to ads when I need a shotgun shot immediately

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When swapping

twin dirge
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oh shit lmao

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GTFO is a bug free game ready for release

fresh bronze
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just cfoamed a door and the the door broke without using the cfoam

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wonderful

kind swan
fresh bronze
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the cfoam was just floating in the air doing nothing but blocking my vision

kind swan
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First time?

fresh bronze
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unfortunately not

kind swan
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Unfortunate but yes that can happen

fresh bronze
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far more annoying when your doing solo no bots tho and that was the only thing between you and finishing a map

royal lichen
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almost as good as 6 blobs on door and every subsequent blob going thru, not just that door but any door

twin dirge
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that is indeed a bug that's been there for ages now

atomic escarp
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I've no idea if it has a specific trigger tbh

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I've had it as host while soloing a couple of times

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Especially on R7A1

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I also remember trying to bonk on the door once to see if that fixed it and it didnt

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Note that I dont have a big sample size on that test 😄

royal lichen
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r6d4 i was bonking a frozen door to go get a medpack but my hammer hit nothing.. .. then i walked thru cfoam + door like a champ while my brother and 2 bots couldn't.. 🙂

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(host) (desync with self) (pain)

nocturne flax
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R3 today for sure

subtle vault
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I want to see the new helmet for R3

west crow
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You either get squid game mask or hackett hood v2

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That or they are switching to include the bodies and legs they've yet to use

jolly perch
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i want to see R3

west crow
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Early March

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They aren't done bughunting

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At least relative to the steamdb

jolly perch
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surely they wont shadow drop it this time

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and announce an actual date

twin dirge
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shadow drop but it's 3 days after it releases

atomic escarp
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double drop on thursday no cap frfr

pliant pasture
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trippple drop deniers about to be in shambles

twin dirge
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triple? R3? on the twenty third?

atomic escarp
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R33?

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In triple drop we trust

raven flare
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b but
r6
where r6 qwq

pliant pasture
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if you claim to believe in the double drop, search yourself. do you truly believe that good news comes in twos? if that were true, why are there 10 chambers?

i say nay, good news comes in threes! like breakfast lunch and dinner, beginning middle and end! and threesomes!

find your faith children, for one rundown is inevitable, two is only a fraction more, but blessed are the believvvers!

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cast out the doubt and the lukewarm belief in the double drop

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it will only bring darkness!

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embrace the trrruth!

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bask in the glow of the TRIPPPLE DROPPP

clear monolith
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Impossible, I shant believe thou outrageous claims.

pliant pasture
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Heretic! Heretic! this beean wishes to destroy our hope! destroy our faith! if he succeeds they will prevent even a Single Drop!

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We must throw him to the ultimate judge Pablo! before it is too late!

frail horizon
swift jacinth
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if 10chambers did anything by the books wouldnt they have made it to RD10?

pliant pasture
pliant pasture
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in the desert, surrounded by BBCs!!

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no, the time of twos has passed

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let us leave our two chains behind and embrace Three-dom!

glass mirage
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wouldn't that be the time of threes because that's the third rundown in the game at once

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clearly this means the time of fours is here and that we can expect R3-R6 to all be realeased at once

pliant pasture
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n-no

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b-but the rule of threes has yet to begin...

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Just Drink The Koool-Aide! do Not Question!

glass mirage
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hm

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what flavor is it

pliant pasture
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its Cherrry! the third ever Koool Aide flavor! PI_drinking

glass mirage
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no thanks then

twin dirge
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triple drop right now

atomic escarp
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in triple drop we TRUST

pliant pasture
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the trippple drop is happening in our hearts Right Now

twin dirge
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through the power of friendship R3 releases

atomic escarp
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real and true bestie

obtuse scaffold
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On a real note hecks going on with r3