gtfo-spoiler-chat

[real moss]

pretty please

[broken scarab]

🥹

[real moss]

well I'll take that as a no 😅

[twin dirge]

maybe it's a yes

[raven flare]

maybe its a maybe

[half hornet]

Calle straight up taunting community with the nogamez

[twin dirge]

thinking positive

[real moss]

gaslight yourself more 😏

[broken scarab]

Just taunting @real moss

[real moss]

can you tell us if it's harder or easier than OG?

[raven flare]

both

everything

all is possible when u believe

[real moss]

No it does not matter how hard you believe: Spear can never be "good"

[raven flare]

why do u have to even bring out that
im gonna use it on r2c2

[fair fern]

Welp

Have fun with spesr

On a level that hate spear

[real moss]

Look imagine, you are free to handicap/torture yourself

[raven flare]

good

[real moss]

Just don't drag new people down with you 😂

[daring pilot]

we love weapon debates -_-

[broken scarab]

I haven’t played it (or R3) so that’s for you to decide. With weapons being slightly more powerful I’m guessing slightly easier, but harder than R2

[raven flare]

i wanna die

[broken scarab]

Just guesses though

[fair fern]

Do we have new toy

[raven flare]

u get new pew pews

[fair fern]

Or old one only

[raven flare]

actually r3 has nice guns

so u will see em

[real moss]

Harder than R2? 👀 OG R3 was easier than OG R2 so that has to be a BIG buff

[fair fern]

I want some new toy to play with

[daring pilot]

oooh harder would be nice :O

[real moss]

Well I look forward to it

[raven flare]

i look backwards to it

[daring pilot]

Burst cannon, hel rifle/gun, rifle

R3 got a lot of toys

[half hornet]

@broken scarab while at it - can you please forward a word to the devs that the spear is disgustingly inferior to hammer and there is no good reason to use it besides style points? That thing needs some buff or another.

[real moss]

I'm just gonna screenshot @broken scarab comment

[twin dirge]

buff spear base damage by 2

[raven flare]

i wouldnt think they dont know

u know

[fair fern]

Too much

[prisma zodiac]

(havent played og r3 so take this with a grain of salt)
level per tier basis alt r3 might be harder than alt r2

considering no E tier

[twin dirge]

-1

[daring pilot]

I feel like spear would be more useful if there was a sleeping enemy that specifically needed precision damage to kill

Cuz chargers directly nerf spear/knife

[astral ferry]

just give spear its lingering hitbox again 😢

[raven flare]

like the
shooters
but w/o back damage

?

[fair fern]

Add new enemy to r8 that need precise to kill

[real moss]

still a big buff cause it was not the case on OG's

[daring pilot]

Yah

[past bough]

let us sprint with spear

[fair fern]

Perfect way to buff spear

[raven flare]

let us die with spear

[fair fern]

Add new enemy

[raven flare]

... yeah no that wouldnt be ideal

[real moss]

But looking more forward to it now 👍

[raven flare]

ah yes have this melee, u can only use it on one rundown out of 8

sure

[prisma zodiac]

imo make spear unique

give it slower charge

but more dmg

[raven flare]

ban every other melee

[prisma zodiac]

make it the ANTI giant melee

[raven flare]

that was is unique

[prisma zodiac]

until people 7 shot tanks with it

[daring pilot]

Actually yeah spear having slower charge for more damage would be cool imo

Knife + bat have faster charge for less damage

[prisma zodiac]

ye. it would also fit with no sprint n charge

[daring pilot]

Heavy boi

[twin dirge]

yeah true

[daring pilot]

If spear did that I think it could be a lot more useful

[raven flare]

the question would be how much damage until its not way too powerful but not too weak

[daring pilot]

Not much tbh

Even putting it to 20 would put it in line with hammer unless you’re hitting a weakspot

[prisma zodiac]

yeah the 17,5 dmg is a major weakpoint of spear

[daring pilot]

But if you’re going to slow down charge time, idk it could be a bit higher

I’m not a dev tho, i shouldn’t be balancing stuff

Jus ideas

[raven flare]

well but ur givin the idea

[velvet linden]

r3d1 is harder than a usual d1, but other than that its prettymuch all easier than r2

[raven flare]

well 'contributing' to it

so might as well

[prisma zodiac]

@daring pilot i can theorize what would be a good number. but am in a pub rn
but yeah devs would need to think about it

[daring pilot]

It’d be an interesting way to make it useful for players for sure

I think the limits would be above a place where it can ohko sleepers from back w/o weakspot but below a spot where it could ohko Cscout (for obv reasons)

[prisma zodiac]

i was thinking of smth like 25

[daring pilot]

Yeah

[prisma zodiac]

anything below 30 pretty much

[daring pilot]

That’ll do 91 damage to big striker back of head

[half hornet]

25 feels right to me. Raw power at the cost of mobility.

[daring pilot]

Yeah if it has a slower charge I’d say that’d be worth it tbh

[prisma zodiac]

97,5

[twin dirge]

yeah that's why I originally said 2dmg

[daring pilot]

Tbf hammer does like 60

[prisma zodiac]

i mean it would finally have a nieche

it could also 1 shot mom tumors

[daring pilot]

Trueeee

[prisma zodiac]

but i mean

[daring pilot]

Stealth mom kill go brrrr

[prisma zodiac]

youd be slow af

maybe like 3 second charge time (1.2 more than hammer) or smth below that

tbf it already nearly 1 shots them

[daring pilot]

Yeah high charge but high damage would give it that niche that bat has, where yeah it’s not as good as hammer but it excels at one thing

Wait eva

Spear would OHKO chicken

:3

Honestly fine imo, hammer can stunlock them indefinitely anyways

[twin dirge]

full team stealth mom kill

[daring pilot]

YEAAAAH

IIX to the tumor to the brrrrr

[prisma zodiac]

shouldnt

25 x 2 x 2 x 1,3

only 130

they have 150

[daring pilot]

Oh they do? Didn’t know that

[prisma zodiac]

same as hybrids

[raven flare]

i always confuse it with 250 hp

[daring pilot]

bruh who tf put Cancer in the list of hybrid aliases

[half hornet]

Based

[raven flare]

lmao

did yall saw someone called the flyers 'mexicans' on the wiki

[half hornet]

Interesting choice. I wonder what the connection is.

[daring pilot]

Bruh at least it isn’t as bad as Calamity mod Wiki

[raven flare]

i have no idea but im so happy they did that ksmd

as a mexican, im gonna start callin em that

[half hornet]

Is it because they come from the desert?

[raven flare]

oh thats fkin gold

[daring pilot]

Maybe they called Alpha dimension mexico at first

[raven flare]

its very yellowish makes sense

[half hornet]

Not gonna lie, fliers will be right at home in a Mexican-based horror movie.

[raven flare]

:]

only if they were low budget, like puppets on a set

[daring pilot]

Wait some people call the Kraken a burrito/taco

hold on

[raven flare]

is gtfo just mexico?

[daring pilot]

always has been ig

[half hornet]

Just something about flying monsters resonates very well with half-desert areas of the world.

[daring pilot]

I mean we have had spanish level names tbf

[raven flare]

cuernos

thats right

[daring pilot]

Wonder if the chargers are just called Cuernos then

[raven flare]

and it happens on chixculub, the crater in yucatan, mexico

GTFO IS JUST MEXICO

im so proud of my country

[daring pilot]

[half hornet]

Flea demons, humanity ending viruses, cursed research facilities...

[daring pilot]

Pablo

[raven flare]

PABLO KSMDK

[half hornet]

Heavy B-movie horror vibes.

[daring pilot]

What is snatcher/to snatch in spanish ooc

[twin dirge]

PABLO MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW

[daring pilot]

Wait does Pablo actually translate to Paul or is translate stupid

[raven flare]

idk whats ooc but snatch in spanish is like
atrapar, capturar
so snatcher would be atrapador, cazador

[daring pilot]

Out of curiosity

[raven flare]

oh
well theres the answer ksmdk

[high vortex]

Rundown 3 takes place in Los Angeles

[raven flare]

nono
mexico
thank u

[west crow]

anyone else think the shift from mexico to LA for rundown 3 was a massively needed change?

bravo devs

[visual vector]

Te refieres a los servidores?

[west crow]

is this the la language

[raven flare]

no man, es a juego, es a joda :b

[west crow]

i don't speak LA

[raven flare]

im gonna eat ur femur

[visual vector]

a

[west crow]

how are you gonna eat a femur with a cigar in your mouth

[raven flare]

i can do multiple things at once

[visual vector]

Eat the cigar first

[visual vector]

ñ

[west crow]

🥹

[raven flare]

eat everythin at once

ñ

my face when

[nocturne flax]

que gracioso eres

seguro te recibiste de payaso

[visual vector]

Ah pero para bromear si hay gente que habla español en este servidor

[raven flare]

jokes on u soy bi asi que si

[raven flare]

pues que menos

:]

[visual vector]

Almenos existe

[nocturne flax]

siempre

[visual vector]

Postea un codigo en #lfg-latin-america y a ver quien te responde xd

[nocturne flax]

todos van a gtfo espana

mucho mejor la verdad

tony montana de payday 2

[real moss]

We need to build a WALL!!!!

[twin dirge]

the wall just got ten feet higher!

[past bough]

fortnite moment

[atomic escarp]

Estoy en desacuerdo, pero es una opinion aceptable

[atomic escarp]

(I am going to beat you to death)

[nocturne flax]

Trump for president

[pseudo lily]

🤢

[twin dirge]

Trump 2024!!!1!1!1

[old mantle]

Little does he know...

[real moss]

yee haw

[serene current]

ITS ALL JEB

[obtuse surge]

i updated gpu drivers yesterday

and nnow i get liquid bug all the time

huge

[mortal portal]

Embrace the goop

[half hornet]

I like my GPUs unmolested, thank you

[upper pagoda]

does your guys gtfo fine?

we just got hack....

the hacker just summon so many monsters in one place

hacker’s name

[prisma zodiac]

Send that to mod contact as a dm

together with discord tags if you have em

tho its probably throaway disc accounts

[upper pagoda]

how to find mod contact?

[obtuse surge]

@jaunty hedge

[upper pagoda]

Ty

[twin dirge]

lots of trollers lately

[half hornet]

like 2

probably the same guy too

someone chose violence today

[twin dirge]

honestly yeah

just one dude making repeat offenses

[twin dirge]

imagine Alt R3 but it crashes for everyone at release

[icy meteor]

Imagine alt r3

Maybe next year

[past bough]

imagine next year

[tidal veldt]

that a long time for the people join the game after beta mode

[thick linden]

Is Alt R3 gonna be released in February ?

[raven flare]

probably

[past bough]

no

[kind swan]

Who said it would be this year?

[wet ravine]

R3 doesn't exist

It's all just a dream

[mortal granite]

gtfo gaming time

[twin dirge]

R3??

[mortal granite]

connection from Vietnam to Hong kong

[real moss]

I would cry with that connection

[mortal granite]

well, that's what i have

[obtuse scaffold]

Improve it

[atomic escarp]

download better internet

[obtuse scaffold]

Downlod more ram while youre at it

[twin dirge]

lay your own damn optical cable

[real moss]

I layed Cat 8 cables in the house

for now it will suffice

[mortal granite]

i have one

it just not working

[twin dirge]

[obtuse scaffold]

Lay it all they way to your internet provider

[real moss]

Nah that's fiber

[boreal carbon]

any news on R3?

[atomic escarp]

it's never coming

they cancelled it

[finite ibex]

few months probably

[atomic escarp]

gone forever

if it doesn't come this month I will SCRENM

[twin dirge]

who R3

[boreal carbon]

cool

[boreal carbon]

I mean considering previous progress..

Its probs not going to be Feb

We'll get it before Silksong

if we're lucky I guess

[twin dirge]

R3 🤝 HL3

[atomic escarp]

tru

[boreal carbon]

Too lazy to download heat ()

got no teammate anyways oof

[real moss]

R3 march

[atomic escarp]

[kind swan]

Of 2024

[astral ferry]

if you post that phrog emoji one more time, I am going to strangle you

[gleaming sluice]

[kind swan]

[scenic flume]

im going to tear my balls off if i cant have new levels to play in the next month

[real moss]

start tearing

[kind swan]

Why aren't you already tearing????

[gleaming sluice]

I didn't even start R2

[jolly perch]

same lmao

i was kind of excited for r1 and r2 alt but i literally just cant be bothered to play them

[hallow lark]

More like “I need to play more R6DX or im gunna lose my mind!”

[scenic flume]

Yes

[hallow lark]

I recommend DX cuz it’s my favorite level AND it’s a staircase of hell

[scenic flume]

Iv never played it🥲

[hallow lark]

Aw XD

It basically kinda start off with a scout room mixed with Giants (5 scouts, 1 of which is a Charger scout)

Then you keep going and do the next alarm that after it, darkroom time and then after that.

3 scout rooms with various scouts (5-6 scouts in total, two of which are chargers?) mixed with smalls

And THEN after that… after going through a fog hallway… and get to a terminal… the staircase of hell begins

3 single uplinks but you will be rushed like there’s no tomorrow alongside with some shockers (Big flyers)

[light lagoon]

Weren't two of them Charger Scouts or am I completely misremembering it?

[hallow lark]

No

4 normals and 1 Charger in the first scout room. I know this cuz I played DX so many damn times and the Charger is usually the one that I always try to keep tabs on

[atomic escarp]

god I can't wait to go back to levels with a ton of scouts ||oh wait I csn||

bonking is so satisfying

[obtuse surge]

least schizo rayalot fan

[wary olive]

Don't tell him about the scout content that got banned in media

[atomic escarp]

[hallow lark]

???

[obtuse surge]

???

[raven flare]

???

[serene current]

!!!

[hallow lark]

?!?

?!?!

?!?!?

[unique tide]

I don't even want to know how or why Kovac got an 18 year old girl in an HSU.

[raven flare]

lol lmao wait till u see R7 or R2E1 or all of R3

[hallow lark]

Dude R7C1 final room is creepy as heck… even that WRDN “ACCESS DENIED” gave me one heck of a spook

[raven flare]

very funk :] i love that whole thing a lot

[unique tide]

haven't made my way down to R7C yet, wanted to work my way through all of R1 for the helmet, R2B&C, then hit R7C

lucked out and got all the pants and shirt I wanted, MDR Cargo & Dragonscale. Now I just need Piranha Scorpion

[atomic escarp]

if you want the most natural difficulty curve available rn do all of R1>R2 A&B>R7 A&B>R2 C-E>R7 C-E

I include PE in the difficulty calculations

if you just do main, the R7 C tiers are very easy

[raven flare]

ah well

[atomic escarp]

actually R7B3PE is probably harder than all of R2 C and D

[raven flare]

its a nice curve but that last sentence just stirs my extensor carpi radialis longus

[atomic escarp]

idfk what that is

in english please

[raven flare]

a muscle for u forearm

but i mean r7 c tier stuff is hard cmon

[unique tide]

I struggled with that one reactor startup mission in Rundown 1 because I kept trying to run it with C-Foam, Mines, and 2 Burst sentries

[raven flare]

ah- cfoam oh that hurts

pain

qwq

[unique tide]

ever since then I'm using Sniper, 2 Bursts, and Biotracker

[atomic escarp]

mmmmmmmm for a brand new player yeah

but otherwise there's really no challenge

in main

PE is actually difficult

[raven flare]

i mean
they a new

:]

[atomic escarp]

simply play more

[raven flare]

nice oke

[atomic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[raven flare]

no i cant

[past bough]

the body was never found

[raven flare]

ded

[idle nacelle]

[unique tide]

been running Carbine + Choke Mod. Been experimenting with PDW but the hit markers are hard to see on the thermal scope and it makes me doubt my shots

[idle nacelle]

I've been trying chokemod lately, not sure I like it, seems really inconsistent

[raven flare]

u just gotta have faith

[narrow gulch]

just hipfire pdw

[raven flare]

no i dont want to no one hip fires

:]

/j

[unique tide]

it keeps the big strikers staggered which is good enough for me

just gotta watch refilling ammo because each pack use is like 30% of your shells instead of 20%

[idle nacelle]

I mostly just alternate between precision rifle and sniper rifle

the former if I specifically don't need the latter

[raven flare]

i like the precision rifle but i am better with the chokemod

[unique tide]

I whiff shots with those guns too much I feel like I'm a millimeter off too much

[idle nacelle]

been meaning to try the other shotgun

[raven flare]

theres three more u gotta specify ksmdk

[idle nacelle]

the nice thing with precision rifle is its basically DMR but lets you get a thermal scope with bullpup rifle (which is my preferred primary)

[wary olive]

Bullpup pr....

[unique tide]

I feel like I'm just wasting shells when I use the Combat Shotgun or HEL shotgun. Choke mod splatters sleepers good.

[raven flare]

dont even

dont u dare

[atomic escarp]

I recommend trying most different weapons cos it's good to be flexible as some missions greatly favour some guns over others

[raven flare]

i adore hel shottie its like so nice on certain waves

[raven flare]

YES
thank u

[unique tide]

in fairness I might just be bad with it

[idle nacelle]

ye I poke around with the others

[narrow gulch]

you gotta be aggressive with hel and combat shotty

[raven flare]

well if u use it like to kill one enemy at a time
yes

[narrow gulch]

or just spam lol

they have enough ammo it doesnt really matter sadly

[raven flare]

sadly?

the gun is made to be spammed

[unique tide]

I hip fire carbine at close range and it's a monster

[atomic escarp]

I usually take high cal for most missions but I will switch to shotgun/combat shotgun for levels with chargers or surges, choke mod for levels with charger scouts, sniper for reactor defense if no one else is taking it

[narrow gulch]

spam pains me

[raven flare]

i said what i said no one hip fires :]

[narrow gulch]

should be punished for spamming mindlessly

[raven flare]

i guess u just dont like meat

i am such a jokser

[narrow gulch]

I dont like that either so youre right

[atomic escarp]

I take carbine for most levels but pdw for levels with shadows

[narrow gulch]

(not meat, but spam specifically)

[raven flare]

but like the weapon is a fully automatic shotgun... cmon

[unique tide]

I used the pistol a couple times in R1 and it performed better than I expected.

[raven flare]

i take smg, sometimes dmr, assault rifle, machinepistol a lot i love that, normal pistol too

[narrow gulch]

do people actually not hip fire in this game

[atomic escarp]

I'll probably take hel shotgun when I have to fight pmom

[narrow gulch]

theres no way

[atomic escarp]

I hipfire when I'm on the move

[raven flare]

i dont im just too used to aiming down sights i dont like hipfire

[atomic escarp]

if I'm standing in place I usually ads

unless things get rly close

then hipfire

[narrow gulch]

yeah thats what you should be doing

[raven flare]

also why are the newies in spoiler chat?

yall go to gtfo chat

dont get spoiled

[narrow gulch]

except for like

high cal

because that thing is fucking dumb

I hate when guns are just like "oops we have 0 accuracy on hip fire for no reason compared to other guns"

[raven flare]

high cal too many cal

powerful

u need stability

[obtuse surge]

the innfection

i cant hipfire with the infection

pls

remove the drunk effect

[raven flare]

no

ur sick

its cool

die

[boreal carbon]

high cal pistol?

its so good tho

()

[raven flare]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wellllll

[twin dirge]

"good"

[raven flare]

kinda

its nice

[boreal carbon]

its either that

or machine gun

or revolver for me

[twin dirge]

which way western man

[boreal carbon]

Its not just good

one of the best sidearm imo

[raven flare]

just curiosity what level are u currently?

[boreal carbon]

done all R6 R7 and the new reworks

oh wait haven't done R6D4

[raven flare]

then u should know it
isnt great
it cant one shot chargers not shooters [well shooters on the headshot for a weapon like that its
hard]

its nice

like its good damage but

it has some drawbacks

[boreal carbon]

heavily nerfed yeah

and yeah not great ammo count

still

[raven flare]

ah well
i guess its nice on levels with lots of big stuff

[boreal carbon]

need R3

when is R3

[raven flare]

nowhere

now this convo is over

u mentioned r3

pain

[boreal carbon]

pain

[raven flare]

:]

[errant vigil]

High cal is fine

Shot to stagger chargers then finish them with main

[raven flare]

yes but
idk
i would prefer a pump shotgun to like kill em
but well theres more raw dmg in a mag of high cal than in a chokemod too so

[errant vigil]

Better reload and reload cancel too

pretty disgusting still

[raven flare]

oh well do u like it or not >:b /j

[kind swan]

it's about firing 4 shells rapidly into a target

[obtuse surge]

the high cal nnerf but all the alt rundowns are also nerfed guys

[errant vigil]

[obtuse surge]

my favorite nerf is the one where 5 hybrids spawn on the surge alarm

[raven flare]

my fav nerf is the nefr full auto
its so funk i love the color- oh wait nono wrong use of the word

[obtuse surge]

NERF THIS

[raven flare]

its nerf or nothin

[kind swan]

Nerf the Nerfs

[scenic flume]

Bro has anyone had a glitch in r7e1 where the menace just kinda slides towards you without moving his legs

It’s funny af

Here an example

[glass mirage]

that can just kinda happen to anything

[scenic flume]

It’s funny af

[glass mirage]

i love seeing a bot slide towards me with a medpack

[scenic flume]

Iv seen it happen sometimes

Hopefully he will make his return in r8 one day😳😳😳

[glass mirage]

ehhh

assuming you mean pablo, the one level was plenty

[real moss]

Just leave him in R7E1 plz

[gleaming sluice]

A tank just sliding towards you is horrifying

[glass mirage]

the concept was nice, but the execution was bad

i was picturing something like nemesis from resident evil or something and then get... greyscale tumorless tank

[daring pilot]

he'd work for R5D2 tbh

[real moss]

Eh sure. but he is soooooo ... badly implemented

[daring pilot]

well yeah, but he fits perfectly for that last run sequence

literally why the 3 tanks spawned was to push you to extract

3 pablos could do that just as well

[glass mirage]

immortal enemies like this need specific situations

they only work so well in other games because the environments are made with them in mind

[daring pilot]

Yeah that's why I mentioned this specific level, those tanks weren't intended to be killed iirc

[gleaming sluice]

I would love a harder to kill version/tank of a snatcher. Like it crawls through vents and shit? That would be a awesome level.

[daring pilot]

sus

[glass mirage]

if the tanks weren't intended to be killed they wouldn't have been given health

[twin dirge]

the only reason Pablo isn't as terrible as it could be, is because we teleport him to the shadow realm

[glass mirage]

while yes, he could be worse, he could also be better. a LOT better.

[gleaming sluice]

I feel like in GTFO, a unkillable enemy just doesn't work. Tanks work well because they can be killed, ignored, and otherwise work either way

[glass mirage]

It could work, but the ways that other games make them work aren't options here

[twin dirge]

we fought a giant living di1do and managed to actually hurt it then this charger tank comes along immune to all bullets like what lmao

[prisma zodiac]

make it pablo and 2 tanks

[glass mirage]

i think that pablo should've been a bit bigger than a normal tank

[prisma zodiac]

yea

[twin dirge]

also like do more damage

make it a threat

[daring pilot]

I think he could've looked different

[atomic escarp]

Immortal pmom surely

Surely everyone would like that right?

[gleaming sluice]

Like, as in like to commit a felony or like to die?

[real moss]

only if also immortal baby's

[atomic escarp]

[prisma zodiac]

immortal frame thiefs you mean?

[twin dirge]

^^^

[gleaming sluice]

Fun

[twin dirge]

I love having infinite babies that cannot unload from the game

[gleaming sluice]

[atomic escarp]

Immortal snatcher

[prisma zodiac]

can be staggered

would be fun

maybe make it do 20% dmg total

so you die when snatched at 20%

[twin dirge]

in a heavy infection level

[atomic escarp]

With spitters in every room

[glass mirage]

spitters in every room is an easy way to make people miserable

[dark rover]

We combine all guys into one immortal Pablo

[prisma zodiac]

R5B2

[real moss]

👆

[cold brook]

Has dodging shooters been dumbed down? I can move with just A and D, left and right, to dodge shooter shots

While I'm fairly sure my muscle memory has trained in moving the point of view as well

[west crow]

it's gotten a lot easier from the harder strat of just looking up

[raven flare]

... no, no u could always do that

oh has it

well am wrong then :]

[cold brook]

would they just not hit you if you looked towards the ceiling or something?

[west crow]

yes

[cold brook]

I suppose I'm glad that looking up is gone, but now you don't have to sacrifice your aim to dodge them anymore it seems

Which I don't like

[west crow]

you're absolutely right, they should bring back looking up since it served as a functional risk/reward counterplay

[cold brook]

that's not what I mean

You could dodge by timing a sideway flick on the horizontal

[twin dirge]

you can just move side to side to avoid the shooters

[atomic escarp]

Or move the camera, right? Or have I been doing the Matrix thing for no reason?

[cold brook]

You don't Need to do the matrix thing anymore it seems

I can just hold down right or left

perpendicular movement

I think it still helps you dodge a little however, when they are many and you might not move on the right line

I'm just a bit eh that you don't really need to move the camera, which was a bit of an aim interruption

[atomic escarp]

I'm still going to do it for cool points I can redeem at the cool points store

[nocturne flax]

Beep classics trolling right there

[kind swan]

Depends on range otherwise it requires timing.

Moving camera is better for when you want to rush them and still dodge

Sliding last second also works

Crouching last second standing in place also works I suppose

Just funny once you realize shooter shots go for your pov

Head

[royal lichen]

flick of the wrist (and you're deaad baby)

(queen good, dt better, dt w portnoy best 👌 )

[candid dragon]

bortnoy

mangini is noone to balk at tbhonestly

[unique tide]

what the hell am I looking at

[raven flare]

gross things probably

[unique tide]

only thing it reminds me of aesthetically is some of the corpses strewn around that have that gross red bubble coming out of their mouth

I thought that maybe their tongue had swollen to disgusting proportions but now seeing that thing...

[raven flare]

from the angle u took the creenshot it looks like a sad face

like a clown face side shot

[unique tide]

lol it kinda does

[hallow lark]

Lol

Mothers are objectively…. The worst… visual fog… baby factory. Bah!

Haven’t seen Mothers for awhile tho….

[royal lichen]

milb

[merry whale]

Probably should visit her soon then

[sturdy bough]

so

wtf is this

[raven flare]

something that existed on old rundowns

i doubt they bringin it back

[hallow lark]

Maybe in C2

If I can get past Overload

[obtuse surge]

on just 1 rundown

[nocturne flax]

It was use to have time to finish r2e1

😆

When they where wctually 10 people working on the gamw

[scenic flume]

e5 im dead💀

[kind swan]

that's an unencrypted name I'm pretty sure

but depends which rundown it's from people can find out which level exactly

[scenic flume]

Just imagin tho

[raven flare]

:]

[scenic flume]

Don’t give chambers any ideas bro (10 chambers please add this to make players cry @raw night )

^^

Now hear me out! Secondary, overload, and prisoner efficiency should give more cosmetics because the grind for convex scorpion mark 1 is real AF!!!

Iv run out of stuff to get! I require more!

[atomic escarp]

they do

well secondary and overload do

[scenic flume]

No I have t gotten shit

[twin dirge]

tbf the prize pool is incredibly huge compared to what we can unlock out of it

[scenic flume]

Na na na

Some shit was removed iv heard

[atomic escarp]

I have everything I want except hacketts mask

[scenic flume]

Bro I have that it’s mid af

I want the scorpion

Deapends on personal opinion of course yes. My mistake

[atomic escarp]

lol that mask sucks

[scenic flume]

Which one

[atomic escarp]

scorpion

[scenic flume]

Well I just think the frontal polygonal frontal and the rectangular breathers make it it quite unique

And no face so w

I like things the cover the face a lot

[scenic flume]

And do you have scorpion???

[atomic escarp]

probably

[scenic flume]

Dang that would suck for me because I feel as if I’m the only one without it lol

Dang…

[hallow lark]

Wait that mask is limited?

[scenic flume]

Nope

But I will never get it the way the game is going

You can get get whenever the game feels like giving it to you but some of us can be an exception

[runic mauve]

Not since the patch after alt r1 came out

[twin dirge]

they removed that from R7? damn

[scenic flume]

Ikr

[atomic escarp]

wait they removed the extra cosmetics from R7 secondary and overload?

[scenic flume]

Beggers can’t be choosers tho

Yesiry!

[runic mauve]

cosmetics aren't removed iirc

just, sec and ovl don't give drops anymore

[atomic escarp]

bruh

[runic mauve]

and instead of whatever it was before, you get a drop for every main you complete for the first time

[atomic escarp]

damn ur right

[scenic flume]

Now we wait for more levels for more cosmetics

🤯😫😫

[twin dirge]

this is almost as bad as finding out only the spear uses up stamina for shoving

[atomic escarp]

do you still get the same number of cosmetics or no

[runic mauve]

and the sec and ovl drop pools were mixed into the main

no idea about numbers tbh lol

[scenic flume]

Bro I got to wait a month for chance to get the mask I want 😭😭😭😭

[atomic escarp]

should have started in r6

[hallow lark]

Sent ya a message with a image. Is that the mask?

[scenic flume]

Yep one of my favorites that I don’t have

🥲

[hallow lark]

Oh

Based on the order of cosmetic obtained… it seemed that I got it during R6

[scenic flume]

It came out firming r6 so you a lucky duck

[hallow lark]

Oof. Ok

R6 was pants-dry (no pants for a majority of it)

[twin dirge]

just like my dad

[unique tide]

I have been thoroughly defeated today by R2D1 and R7C1 😩

[bold widget]

anyone has the R2E1 map

[prisma zodiac]

lemme send it from pc

[bold widget]

ty

[prisma zodiac]

fuck it

it wont load

ill get the link to all maps real quick

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2549656173

its at the bottom

[bold widget]

thanks

[scenic flume]

Yes

Oh the map hellllll naw

[raven flare]

i its up there its oke

[atomic escarp]

Lmk when you do it I'll help

[hoary musk]

I'd suggest completing R7C1 first

[kind swan]

3*

[scenic flume]

The wait is realy

Real

[twin dirge]

R3C1?

[kind swan]

R7C3

I wish more levels had that gimmick

[twin dirge]

where R3!!!

[kind swan]

R9

[twin dirge]

honestly I kinda expected the game to finish on R10, not R8

[glass mirage]

I expected 9

Then every rundown can be named with 2 chars

[half hornet]

Dear lord, could you imagine

R12A3PE

[prisma zodiac]

R9A10

[half hornet]

You could cipher data with rundown names

Yeah, lets stop at single digits, thank you

[errant vigil]

We can just go into Hex then

[twin dirge]

AltR12A5PE

[glass mirage]

come on we all know alt r12 was awful with how much it nerfed everything

[raven flare]

ah yes alt altered r1

[opal narwhal]

How did R1 get nerft? I thought they just did not buff it

[errant vigil]

they actually buffed it

Hybrids spawn in C1 now

[real moss]

the buffed the levels, but it's still nerfed cause we have stronger weapons, tools. lower enemy Spawns etc

[raven flare]

no its a joke, its 'alt rundown 12'

i misread too when i saw it

[opal narwhal]

yeah that one got nerft to death 😄

but to be serious the only level that is really a miss in my opinion is R2C1 (uplink terminal one). The rest is fine. Just need to realise that a simpler game is simpler 😄

[raven flare]

yeah this
game aint simple but oke

[errant vigil]

earlier rundowns were

I think that's what he's talking about

[raven flare]

ah

that makes more sense

[twin dirge]

okay so this proves R9 would be the last one if not R8

[opal narwhal]

It looks like that unfortunately

[glass mirage]

Well, I bet that some modders are gonna create unofficial rundowns after the last official one

There are already ones out there with stories and ones out there that are very vanilla-like, some are both at the same time. As long as the community's still there, it doesn't have to be the end for new levels.

[twin dirge]

honestly I wonder what would happen if GTFO went the Mario route and embraced the level creation with their own special mode/rundown

[glass mirage]

there would be a lot of low quality stuff

and i think that without being able to add custom rooms, modify weapons, add enemies, etc, they would get pretty same-y pretty quick

but it would be pretty cool, i think

[hard horizon]

What happens if you dont lower the security on R7D1

[real moss]

you do a class X alarm

[hard horizon]

so just additional alarm?

That sounds FUN

[real moss]

have fun 😃

[fair fern]

U have to deal with 2 class x total if u choose the frick that im gonna be a man and brute force this level

I would recommend to do that bc thats how doom slayer play gtfo

[hard horizon]

I already died so

Ammo issue

[fair fern]

Smack them

Be like doom slayer

[hard horizon]

a group of charger? Heck nah

[fair fern]

Did u do the class x charger or the first class x

[hard horizon]

charger

[fair fern]

How many sentry did u bring and what type

[hard horizon]

usually I have skill issue at ending. Bio - Burst - burst - Mine

[fair fern]

Bring sniper sentry. If u are doing brute force strat, bring 3 sniper sentry and 1 bio, if u are doing the long way, bring cfoam+ 2 sniper sentry

[hard horizon]

So thats the meta of doing reactor defending railway similar to this?

[fair fern]

Not rlly

Sniper sentry are really good when dealing with charger

They help thin out the waves alot

Bc u are doing class X not class 5, every bit of damage help alot

[hard horizon]

after third try with lowered security (cause I gave up). I found theres 3 DAMN pouncer grabbing me on terminal

[fair fern]

What pouncer?

Charger scout or snatcher

[hard horizon]

Snatcher

it was prob wave 4 terminal verify

[fair fern]

Is 1 of ur team defend u ?

[hard horizon]

no there all bots cause matchmaking is dead

[strange junco]

yea i think code 3 or 4 spawns a snatcher

or several.

[real moss]

LFG channels m8. you could have been spared all this

You could not finish R7 with bots anyway

[twin dirge]

I mean most game devs hate data mining and modifications

definitely this one where GTFO is exactly what the devs want and don't want outside interference

[mortal granite]

it's not that they hated, they hate the surprised they have but people that datamined spoil

or well, if you're a chinese devs

then datamine is a crime to them

china make datamining = stealing a law

[cedar haven]

Is it possible once this game is done or to the ending no more new content. will they add mod workshop on steam?

[mortal granite]

modder already make their own stuff that run mod smoothly, they did tell the dev that they don't need steam workshop

[cedar haven]

yeah but very few people know that this game has mod and they get bored because there is no new content to play

[real moss]

I would say most people quit before they finish the available content anyways

[mortal granite]

"game isn't hard"
people hard stuck and abandon the game anyway

[atomic escarp]

game is not hard if you don't suck

[real moss]

Ez gg

can't argue with that

[real moss]

It's fine Alpha, one day you'll finish the game 👀

[atomic escarp]

[twin dirge]

[mortal granite]

god damn

[cedar haven]

my friends quit because there is no point to play not earning anything but outfit and with the current rundown we can finish 70% of the game in 3 days that's why they quit so fast

[real moss]

Where is the remaining 30% then?

[cedar haven]

they bored 🤣

[mortal granite]

he's the remaining 30%

[real moss]

No they ragequitted cause the last 30% was too hard

Now go tell em that

You'll see they will want to play again

Otherwise they'll be always weak

solved your problem

No mods needed anymore

[plush basin]

Good thing we have outfits to earn at least or no-one would play this game at all

Would be a total waste of time otherwise

[real moss]

👀

[plush basin]

Glad I have so much to show for my time to spent on GTFO

[real moss]

Yeah the only thing keeping me in the game before R6 were the outfits

Then R6 brought the LORE

[plush basin]

Maybe we would get more players if they finally just added a battle pass and profiles where I can display my scout kills and rundown completion badges

[twin dirge]

tbh this

but on the other note

yeah I think battle passes and micro transactions have ruined the minds of gamers

[mortal granite]

look at my cool outfit that i will never see it in-game except the menu

[cedar haven]

i agree with

[mortal granite]

[twin dirge]

I see people time to time saying stuff like "theres nothing to grind, why should I play?"

[cedar haven]

yeahhhh that's also why my friends leave

[twin dirge]

Halo Infinite fans after paying $50 for their armor set skin

[prisma zodiac]

People:
I dont want fun, i want random shitty drops!

[plush basin]

I find it so funny that we went from not having cosmetics at all to being able to unlock some of the pool from beating levels and then people are upset they can't unlock every single item

[real moss]

People will never be happy

[plush basin]

Like I had this argument with someone over Overwatch 2 loot boxes before

They said they bought the game so they should just have all the cosmetics in the game cos they bought it

x.x

[real moss]

Overwatch 2 ewwwwww

Actually

Overwatch ewwwwwww

[plush basin]

actually yeah it would have been the OG at the time

[twin dirge]

Overwatch peaked in 2016 then become a regurgitated loot box after that

oh would you look at that, it released in 2016

[prisma zodiac]

hey hey
It was good for a few years

then brigitte got released

and everything went downhill

[twin dirge]

yeah I was too harsh, 2018 is when it did start going downhill

[real moss]

It released in 2016 while it should have not released

[twin dirge]

I think it was good at the time

[mortal granite]

back in my day, people that have overwatch is automatically see as a god

[half hornet]

Gameplay is cool and all, but sometimes one wants an overlaying goal to commit to said gameplay.

Be it progressing story, unlocking achievements or just... Unlocking cool new cosmetics.

Especially when replay ability is almost next to zero

Rng spawns are not quite cutting it, neither does disbalanced weapons arsenal

[real moss]

So what would you like in the game?

[half hornet]

I'll need to think hard about it and I'm at work. I'll get back to you in an hour.

[plush basin]

More variant snatcher number error alarms

[real moss]

😂

[twin dirge]

shadow snatcher sounds kinda cool though

[prisma zodiac]

1. kinda there
2. would agree on this one if there were cool ones. But i think clearing all levels is kinda an achievement already
3. obviously a thing already tho i wish wed get melee and maybe gun cosmetics

[plush basin]

For all that you can meme on them having some achievements would be nice

I do enjoy collecting them

[twin dirge]

I'd love keychains and weapon wraps
well the weapon wraps are questionable but it seems like 10C won't make it too meme-y

[glass mirage]

I like achievements, it gives me more incentives to try things I wouldn't normally do in games

[mortal granite]

try payday 2 then

it has 1.3k achievement

[glass mirage]

I decided to 100% Skyrim's achievements a couple years back and it was my first time actually using the werewolf/vampire lord transformations and they were a lot of fun

[glass mirage]

No, because people wanted me to get it a few months ago so I decided I would never get it just to piss them off

[plush basin]

That is reasonable behaviour

[mortal granite]

but it free

[twin dirge]

this is such a mood wtf

[glass mirage]

Ok and?

[mortal granite]

and like, eh, i don't have anything to play

[glass mirage]

It's not free but one of them did try to gift it to me

[mortal granite]

oh, there is this game i have a thousand year ago

it's 80GB, so you wouldn't download it anyway

[glass mirage]

Oh sweet, new reason not to get it dropped

My C drive doesn't have that much space right now. Sure I could install it to my E drive, but then I can just pretend I don't have one

[real moss]

That's.... oh well

[plush basin]

Hey Cryo I really want you to get Dead by daylight, you should play that

[glass mirage]

It's petty sure

Ellda I barely know you outside of seeing you talk here

It's not the same

[plush basin]

Nobody really knows me...

[real moss]

You need to play Red dead 2. it's amazing

[plush basin]

Maybe one day I'll remove this mask

[real moss]

I mean we know you have a knife

That's a law of nature

[plush basin]

Well ofc

[glass mirage]

Anyways I wasn't saying that if someone tells me to get a game I won't get it. I probably should've clarified that they kept bugging me about it after I said I wasn't interested

[plush basin]

I know, I was just making a joke to express my distaste for DbD

[glass mirage]

I can't really have an opinion on it since I haven't played it or even seen a full gameplay of it. Just screenshots

Well, I can have an opinion on it if I want to be like everyone else on the internet, I guess

[real moss]

You should play God of War !

[plush basin]

Hey isn't that game actually alright?

[real moss]

It is

It's actually really good.

[glass mirage]

I might at some point since it got a PC port last year

[plush basin]

Has anyone here played Returnal?

[glass mirage]

I don't have a playstation so no

[real moss]

it does not work anymore

😔

He gets games we say

[real moss]

is it exclusive?

[glass mirage]

Wdym?

[real moss]

then hell no

[plush basin]

Its PS exclusive but coming to PC later this year

[glass mirage]

PS5 with Steam release on 15th

[plush basin]

In like a month I think actually

Oh or just a week?

[glass mirage]

Judging by genre alone it sounds like something I would like seeing my playtime for Risk of Rain 2

[plush basin]

It looks good and I like roguelikes but the price is obscene

[glass mirage]

New releases are almost always way too expensive

[real moss]

Meh I'll get it on sale in a year

[glass mirage]

$70 cdn :)

[real moss]

I don't speak Quebec

[glass mirage]

At least it's not the usual $80

[glass mirage]

Neither do I, hate that place.

[plush basin]

Yeah realistically I'll be waiting for it to go on a decently sized sale

[real moss]

I actually almost did my honeymoon in Canada wilderness

[glass mirage]

Canada's a nice place I just think the Quebec government is somehow stupider than usual

[real moss]

I don't care about Canada politics. Just want the nature

But we'll do it another time as a trip

[glass mirage]

It also leads to people saying "it's cold outside isn't a reason not to throw things out" when there was literally -40 celsius windchill that we got a weather warning about getting frostbite in like 3 minutes or something :)

[half hornet]

Well first of all: customisable weapons. They already have a system setup for it with swappable weapon parts, scopes , etc - they just need to find a way to grant us access to that and have our fun.
And it would be neat if it wasn't tied to mission completion but instead encouraged exploration: like finding a new scope laying about in some dark corner or even on a corpse of a previous failed expedition. Like artifacts, but extra thoughtful.

Two: more enemy variety, either visually or functionally. We talked about this before.

Three: unlockable level modificators. Like R1B1s army of shooters, but applicable to any level after first clear.

Four: fix balance to stop bottlenecking players into same HEL revo + veruta + hammer loadout. Buff underperformers, nerf overperformers, yadi yada.

Five: more a general feel than a concrete idea - but stealth, being the biggest and most time consuming part of the game, needs more flavour and mechanics to it than just crouch bonk crouch bonk. Unfortunately I don't have a good idea to suggest at the moment.

[real moss]

Alright I respect that

[half hornet]

^ link didn't save

[real moss]

I read it. And fair enough.

[glass mirage]

I feel like full weapon customization would completely throw off the "fix balance" point. I think it's pretty hard to have both if it's not just scopes/sights

[plush basin]

What exactly are you expecting with customised weapons? I'm on board with choosing a nice scope and the appearance and noise, but are the mods you make going to be tuning things like damage, ammo capacity, reload time etc? Important gun statistics?

[mortal granite]

we have all the weapon right now, and people already said it make the game "off balance"

[plush basin]

Because I think people would just minmax some weapon that hits the right breakpoints and everyone would run an approximation of that

[mortal granite]

putting the weapon customization in and people would just make op gun

[plush basin]

Unless you tune it so that the weapons you make custom are always going to be on the weaker side, somehow

[glass mirage]

I'd love to be able to choose the sights I want, but if you're changing damage, RoF, etc, that's a completely different system that only really works if the game is built around it from the start

[plush basin]

But then people will complain of that

[mortal granite]

some people will never be happy

[glass mirage]

Better way to put it when talking about game balance/ideas: you can't please everyone

No matter what option you choose some people will think there's a better idea, or that the current one sucks

[plush basin]

I just think that implementing custom gun stats is going to be unhealthy for the game, basically

[glass mirage]

I agree completely

[mortal granite]

the devs saw that coming

just like the mapper

"holy shit it's so cool"
"why is it so useless and bad"
"why is my frame tanking"

[glass mirage]

Just because other games can have it like Fallout 4 did doesn't mean every game should have it, even if it's a cool concept. It's a lot easier for both devs and players to have one set of guns with one set of stats.

[plush basin]

As for the other points @half hornet made they all seem reasonable. Hard to disagree with "more stuff" and "better balance". Point 3 in particular I think would have to be considered carefully to ensure it is done well but could be fun

[mortal granite]

and i think you need to go loot those gun part as well

which is the "grind" part

[glass mirage]

I think that the level modifiers would work best if it wasn't applied to a current level, but gimmicky levels can be lots of fun so being able to choose what gimmick I want to play would be great

[plush basin]

If I could get markers to show which levels I beat with what modifiers I know I'd try to grind through what I could

[glass mirage]

I dunno I just feel like taking the levels we have and messing with modifiers could be cool but probably not as good as dedicated modifier playgrounds

[glass mirage]

Can't wait for your level to show something like
[1,1,1,1]
[0,0,0,0]
(extend for other modifiers)

[atomic escarp]

This argument would also work against boosters, wouldn't it?

put boosters in and everyone's gonna hoard supply eff/bioscan speed/inf res, you name it

People are always going to find ways to minmax the fun/challange out of anything anyway

[mortal granite]

yes, but booster is temporarily

[atomic escarp]

I mean, I'm swimming in them by now

[twin dirge]

similar system different balancing

[mortal granite]

and?

[atomic escarp]

And so I think someone that took the time to minmax a weapon is also going to swim in them anyway

[mortal granite]

you can look at booster as weapon customization if you want

nobody is going to stop you

[kind swan]

[atomic escarp]

I've the lingering feeling that anytime something could get added someone went "NO, PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE THE GAME BORING"

[glass mirage]

You can choose not to bring boosters but you're forced to bring guns down with you so that's another difference

[atomic escarp]

Game had weapon customization in planned, right?

[atomic escarp]

I'm not forced to bring custom guns in any game I played?

Payday2 doesn't force you, does it?

[glass mirage]

Good question. I don't play it.

[mortal granite]

you're not forced, but you have an option to

[atomic escarp]

nice!

everyone's happy then

[glass mirage]

It's simpler to just stick to one system instead of merge them both

[mortal granite]

we also have modder, which can put your idea into play

and it happen

[kind swan]

In games with weapon customization. Who in the right mind runs just a plain weapon.

[mortal granite]

[kind swan]

Unless it's a challenge or smth else

[mortal granite]

like, modder already have that running and we can see how it's going

so it's not like i didn't learn from experience

[atomic escarp]

Ah I've no idea which mods you played

[glass mirage]

all of them

[atomic escarp]

I've played none so ok

[glass mirage]

I think the mods that stick to vanilla weapons are usually more balanced

[atomic escarp]

Of course adding weapon customization is going to make game easier

[mortal granite]

well that's why it isn't in the game

[atomic escarp]

but I really feel like too many people are focusing on that like it's the end of the world

game had that planned in since long ago

[glass mirage]

Yeah let me just pull out my 24dmg 36map 5pierce hel revolver^2

[mortal granite]

people complaining the game being easier
"let's add a feature that make the game easier"

[atomic escarp]

By definition a feature can make a game harder or easier anyway

[mortal granite]

that's brilliant

[atomic escarp]

You could have it both ways

Why not another enemy type too?

Why not more shit?

[glass mirage]

I don't think it's a bad idea by nature, I just think it's not worth adding this late

[atomic escarp]

Ah this I agree with

[kind swan]

People love adding features unfitting of GTFOs aesthetic

[glass mirage]

Would probably cause too many issues (bugs, balance, etc) and not be worth it even if it doesn't

I'd rather another rundown

[atomic escarp]

If you're referring to my idea, game had that in routemap, didnt it?

[mortal granite]

anyway, i think weapon customization should just stick with cosmetic

[kind swan]

Not just yours.

[mortal granite]

better looking scope or stock

[glass mirage]

Cosmetic weapon customization would be great

[twin dirge]

I mean with weapon augments, yes it is optional to have them
but if theres no cost to using them, why not
unlike boosters which get consumed for that one run

[atomic escarp]

irrelevant if it's not JUST mine

I didnt certanly argue that weapon mods today means flamethrower launching shuriken tomorrow

[kind swan]

Your idea isnt the only bad one that's been suggested/planned

[glass mirage]

Weapon mods could easily make some of those unfitting suggestions though, like a silencer

[mortal granite]

we do have silencer

but it's cosmetic

[atomic escarp]

suggested, but not planned by me

[mortal granite]

[atomic escarp]

So this argument about weapon mods not "fitting the aesthetics" is just plain wrong

[glass mirage]

The devs themselves can have ideas for the game that don't fit until they refine their ideas and decide on what is or isn't actually getting made

[twin dirge]

silenced weapons in GTFO would kinda ruin the game unless it's such a shitty value to use it

[mortal granite]

they'll reuse the weapon mods to their new game

[glass mirage]

Bad ideas aren't limited to players.

[kind swan]

[atomic escarp]

If it was planned for long I dont think that it's right to say that it doesn't fit the aesthethic, come on

[mortal granite]

that's why they scrap the mapper

[olive shoal]

cyberheist hype cyberheist hype

[atomic escarp]

As if I suggested a grenade launcher

[mortal granite]

is already suggested

every bad suggestion has been suggested

that's why they are so done with suggestion channels

[glass mirage]

At this point the suggestion channel was just comedy for us

[twin dirge]

^^^^

[kind swan]

#faq #10 but no one reads this shit

[mortal granite]

you missed the modded rundown where they give you silenced weapon

basically a long range hammer

[twin dirge]

I mean suggestion channel was a meme to begin with given the devs wanted to make their own game

[mortal granite]

your suggestion could be in the game

[kind swan]

Bio tracker single pings

[glass mirage]

Suggestions could give inspiration but if you want to make your own game it's better to look for feedback

[mortal granite]

either by nicely ask them or screaming at their face for years

cough checkpoint cough

[kind swan]

Checkpoints are a mistake

[twin dirge]

[kind swan]

I can see they attracted more people who dont like the 1 try and restart if failure. Though.

But it's buggy as shit

[mortal granite]

3 million uses

ye, i can see that

[glass mirage]

But we've got a bit of both now

[kind swan]

I'm just waiting to see newer peeps when they see R5 levels without checkpoints

[twin dirge]

yeah I doubt if most of the uses were actual competitions after one use
rather than players slamming heads against the wall over and over

[glass mirage]

I'm a little worried about them especially the later ones but I'm excited for R4 and R5 because of that

[mortal granite]

if the level stay the same, it will be too long for them to play