#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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prisma zodiac
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still

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F tier wont ever happen normally

mortal granite
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i would like to see someone make parkour work in this game

chrome rivet
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How can you make modded levels anyways?

mortal granite
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because, if there is an error alarm, instantly make it a bad level design

prisma zodiac
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Probably makes a section where you need to jump and run 9-10 meter above detection range

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and make it giga hard stealth zone

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@chrome rivet ask that on the modded server not here

mortal granite
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.t modded

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what's the command?

raven flare
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.t modding

jaunty hedgeBOT
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GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

high vortex
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For F tier there should be a zone with 9 Big Scouts

prisma zodiac
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Big scouts?

fossil jetty
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You mean charger scouts?

high vortex
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They're like scouts but also like bigs

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No

fossil jetty
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Oh

high vortex
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But big charger scouts would be cool too

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That's an H tier at least tho

mortal granite
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i love the mentality of modding in this one

twin dirge
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scouts but only the sniper can one shot them

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or would it be unkillable in the sense it will always scream

hallow lark
high vortex
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You can kill them like you would a giant but if it were also a scout

hallow lark
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I still haven’t heard anything about a level where the tiles actually is silent as if there’s an issue with sounds (like a reverse soundbug)

twin dirge
hallow lark
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Just… the ammo of Sniper needs to be used… wisely…

nocturne flax
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Theres no way to make an F tier in this game as for right now that its actually enjoyable

hallow lark
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still cries over Sniper ammo nerf

nocturne flax
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Either its gonna be extremely tedious to do or extreme long

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They have to introduce a new mechanic in the F tier to make it an F tier

mortal granite
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there is no enemy that support the idea of an F tier

nocturne flax
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And also reactor levels on E tiers

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🤢

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I hate reactors, all my homies hate reactors

raven flare
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lmao lol even when most of the people i've seen say r7e1 reactor is cool

deft kiln
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making hard reactor section is interesting lots of annoying fail conditions

high vortex
deft kiln
past bough
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i don't like the idea of there being a scout that can only be silenced by 1 weapon

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i mean i guess there's also c foam
but still no

twin dirge
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I like the idea of unkillable giant scouts

past bough
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it would depend on how its done

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if they spawn in a room where youd have to do an alarm in then no

high vortex
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But I like this idea

past bough
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fair

quiet stone
tough badger
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imho charger scouts already do everything cool giant scouts would do

mortal granite
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a giant scout will be 3 full charge hammer

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so instead of 2 players hammer, now we have 3

past bough
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dual wield pistols when

obtuse scaffold
obtuse scaffold
mortal granite
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and then we'll have Big charger scout, which force you to shoot

obtuse scaffold
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Ngl a scout that forces you to shoot could be kinda cool

mortal granite
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it gonna teach you a habit of "just shoot the scout"

obtuse scaffold
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I do that

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High cal pistol my beloved

nocturne flax
quiet stone
eternal dragon
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Papoopticon

quiet stone
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Not my proudest moment

deft kiln
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0 room distance giant charger surge when

quiet stone
deft kiln
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Can’t wait

quiet stone
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people already complained about the charger surge in T3E3 Cozy_Bishop

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Just get gud

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It's an E tier for a reason

deft kiln
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One room distance alarms honesty the way to go

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Everything gets so crazy

nocturne flax
quiet stone
nocturne flax
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Bruj thats the easy shit

quiet stone
wary olive
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that scan give me 20 fps

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🥹

quiet stone
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optimised

wary olive
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🙊

nocturne flax
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Yeeaah

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Maybe a littlw too much verticality my man kekw

quiet stone
quiet stone
wary olive
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i think the 500 times fried their GPUs....

nocturne flax
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Nope

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Never seen them

quiet stone
wary olive
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🧘‍♂️

quiet stone
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sadge

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Need to get it done

nocturne flax
quiet stone
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next to my cave tile POG POG POG

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my fav tile

nocturne flax
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I do like that you actually use the room fully instead of just been for astetic

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And i fucking scream (ina. Good way) like a girl with what you done to the dig site skip

quiet stone
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dig site skip?

nocturne flax
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You replace thw side where theres usually a ladder funnel

quiet stone
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OHH

nocturne flax
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With a catwalk so enemies can actuallt get to you

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But you still get to skip a huge portion

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But you risk fall damage

quiet stone
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This is big brian time

nocturne flax
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Dont worry im not analising every tile

quiet stone
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have you seen the cave tile tho?

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POG POG POG

nocturne flax
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Not yet

quiet stone
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go into my tunnels

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and find the Sam cave

nocturne flax
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Wait you mean that r4e1 looking tile?

quiet stone
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errrr

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Not sure

nocturne flax
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Also i like what you did with the ammo

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Pretty cool been at 60% before error PepeSip

quiet stone
nocturne flax
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Maybe we can test more today since its my day off i dont know if the boyz will tho

quiet stone
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I am down

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to test in SAMDOWN

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need to get this new update released

nocturne flax
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The only thing i dont know how to feel about its the class 9

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Since its fucking hectic as fuck

quiet stone
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on the terminal?

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with the error?

nocturne flax
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Yeah

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I like it

quiet stone
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Me, Z, wesley and largest did it 2 times in a row

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you just need to get the ammo out of the key zones

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and have someone focus the error spawn

nocturne flax
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I see

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We were just rushing scans the first two times

quiet stone
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Hopefully we can play later, get that big dub

nocturne flax
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And our information player didmt ping

quiet stone
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but depends what time as I do have uni tomorrow

nocturne flax
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I shall.not name

quiet stone
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hmmmm

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Gibe legendary Black Dragon Samdown video

nocturne flax
quiet stone
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top 10 reasons to play Samdown

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1 - cool tiles

nocturne flax
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Samdown geezer

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I will have to say perfomance in the video tho kekw

quiet stone
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SHHHH

nocturne flax
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I simply cannot overlook that kekw

quiet stone
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are the first levels fine performance wise?

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is it when you get to the custom tiles?

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on the lower levels?

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that performance takes a hit

nocturne flax
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Panopticon ran surprisingly well

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E2 and e3 (specially) e3 was painful if i remember correctly

quiet stone
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Yeah probably because of the custom tiles

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and big map

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I did optimize all the tiles

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you should get better frames and memory now

pliant shard
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sam db hired by 10cc as level designer when?

robust marsh
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hmmmmmmm

errant vigil
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They’re gonna have to buff everything

prisma zodiac
wary olive
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no r2d2?

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🤖

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or r2d1

astral ferry
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r7d2 is d-tier 😭

prisma zodiac
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question: what is this tier list about

worldly cargo
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this man put r7e1 in A

wary olive
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is this tierlist for speedrunning?

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🤢 Deadge

silent kettle
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is r2e1 the hardest cause you dont have a wr record in it

obtuse surge
frail horizon
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ras syndrome

prisma zodiac
past bough
prisma zodiac
past bough
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yes

twin dirge
steel urchin
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Any% R4E1 @ 28:47 (kenny,wes,* , *)
gl

past bough
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🤓

astral ferry
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e-tier reactor 💤

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e-tier error alarm 😊

mortal granite
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e-tier error alarm = SleeperBonk SleeperBonk SleeperBonk SleeperBonk

astral ferry
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noo!!! it increases by 1 for every zone door you open! very threatening

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e-tier error alarm = SleeperBonk SleeperBonk SleeperBonk SleeperBonkSleeperBonk

past bough
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i just don't like r2e1 that much

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the surge alarms drive me insane

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i sure love constantly running to other sides of the room, it is so fun

deft kiln
astral ferry
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skill issue

deft kiln
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Oof dw you will become a booster diamond player again

mortal granite
past bough
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why else would i have a gun

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shooting them is only a waste if you don't actually scan

steel urchin
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😂

hallow lark
tacit escarp
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is r7b1 just really hard or am i just really shit?

royal lichen
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turn down graphics, u start hitting enemies as fps goes up

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the final scan is interesting, quite a nuisance if 3botting, otherwise a solid b-tier adventure

real moss
prisma zodiac
past bough
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fair

real moss
prisma zodiac
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and some people malded about it d4rkevDerp

real moss
prisma zodiac
real moss
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I already hear the : nah everything F tier, game ez just shoot comments

prisma zodiac
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Take on current difficulty for experienced players*

atomic escarp
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Does R2E1 warrant that?

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Like, R7E1 all in all has a lot of things that players need to "know" how to deal with

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Pablo, shadows, charger scouts... flyiers I guess

prisma zodiac
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for experienced players

real moss
past bough
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i just find constant surge alarms annoying

atomic escarp
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I feel like if you know how to bonk shadows and dont mind the last error you can do R2E1 without too much of an hassle

prisma zodiac
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so knowledge is already there

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We did the same for beginners

nocturne flax
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Shit tierlist eva

r2b4.png
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This is better

prisma zodiac
past bough
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tbh i found r2e1 easier than r7e1

real moss
prisma zodiac
real moss
past bough
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was it?
idk how the tier list works

real moss
nocturne flax
prisma zodiac
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left in a tier is harder. Higher tier is harder

past bough
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hm

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i thought it was a tier list for which level is better

prisma zodiac
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And since its for experienced players this goes on you knowing the level and how to use the most meta strats

real moss
past bough
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noted

prisma zodiac
real moss
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Beginners perspective has so many S tier levels 😭

prisma zodiac
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and ill ask blackdragon then KEKW

past bough
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i feel like im the only one who doesn't despise pablo

prisma zodiac
past bough
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yes i find him annoying but I do not understand how he ruins the level for some people lmao

prisma zodiac
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Beginner difficulty

real moss
past bough
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gtfo tier list for the best character

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hackett would at the top

azure sedge
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is this R7D1 with or without snatcher bug?

past bough
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he'd have his own tier

real moss
prisma zodiac
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with snatcher bug would be funny

azure sedge
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tragic. not even authentic 😦

past bough
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r7d1 is my least favorite level

nocturne flax
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Ima keep it real wichu i just saw picture and slap r2b4 everywhere

prisma zodiac
nocturne flax
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whats the tier list about kekw

past bough
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fuck the overload
fuck the snatchers
and fuck the performance issues it gives me

real moss
prisma zodiac
past bough
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the man the legend the almighty

Hackett_1.png
real moss
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With levels on same tier: left being hardest

prisma zodiac
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R7A1 in speedstrats
„FINALLY a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!“

atomic escarp
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I feel like R7B3's too high on the first list tbh

prisma zodiac
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speedstrats?

atomic escarp
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Oh I've no idea about speedstrats for that so ok I guess

past bough
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i don't know anything about speedstrats in gtfo

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
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I just botted all until overload then posted for some guys to join

past bough
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i did a speedrun with bread, voxy and someone else i forgot and i spent like 2 minutes trying to find the fucking door they wanted me to tripmine

real moss
prisma zodiac
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the list thats probably the most discussable is nr 2 since most people here are on that end of the experience scale i guess?

atomic escarp
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I've had clears on R7B3 PE that really made it feel like a walk in the park

real moss
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except for beginners, they gon hurt on sec

prisma zodiac
past bough
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this is why i prefer biotracker

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very simple

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"Ping ping, ping bleed and ping"
-Hackett

atomic escarp
past bough
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i just wait for them to bundle up

real moss
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@nocturne flax what is actually your favorite level??

past bough
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sometimes it still only pings 1

real moss
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People only ever talk about what they hate

past bough
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people ask me for a ping 2 seconds after i just pinged

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brotha i would but you see there's a mechanic called a cooldown

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guess i should've taken tracker cpu speed boosters then
foolish me how could i be so idiotic

nocturne flax
real moss
nocturne flax
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My memories fails me to remember most of r6,r7

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and most of r5 since the only level i actually remember was e1

real moss
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was not expecting a favorite there

nocturne flax
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r5 was just too long both ingame and in duration for me to remember kekw

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took like 2 separate breaks during r5

real moss
prisma zodiac
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@nocturne flax actual opinion on 2nd tier list i posted above swatThink ?

atomic escarp
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F stands for Fantastic, right?

real moss
nocturne flax
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dual uplinks where fun to do

real moss
nocturne flax
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the "fix" in r4 sad

nocturne flax
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?

real moss
prisma zodiac
real moss
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While R3 as a whole is ........

nocturne flax
nocturne flax
prisma zodiac
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this is based for experienced players with knowledge of the level btw

nocturne flax
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but it looks alright

prisma zodiac
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Personally the beginner one was more fun KEKW

I think actually inexperienced players can clear r7e1 without help/improving majorily. Like they just fail 50+ times at least

nocturne flax
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I would say r7d1 would be lower tbh

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you have a whole ass 4 mins of just waiting for 1 snatcher kekw

past bough
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"we should do this error alarm now"
"wait for the next snatcher wave so they don't get us so early"
and then we take like 5 minutes to kill the 3 snatchers that spawned and then more come

prisma zodiac
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Yeah in retrospect putting it into the tier below prob makes more sense

we based it of even vets having to play around the snatcher spawns mostly

nocturne flax
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survey of honest people would be better

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usually you jusut wait for snatcher for like a min because by the time you get to your place to lower the alarm class you just sit there for a min

prisma zodiac
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yeah sure

but finding those and making them do it earnestly?

nocturne flax
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and people play differently

nocturne flax
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shiet i would fill it if you've send that to me

prisma zodiac
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i mean i can find like 4-5 people

But thats where im like florkShrug1

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Theres a cool format for that btw @nocturne flax might work on that

real moss
twin dirge
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I can't wait for R8 to release in 2026

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given the current pacing of releases and that R8 is likely the final one

real moss
twin dirge
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1.5 months for an alt? how daring

real moss
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and we only got taht going as refrence

twin dirge
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oh you right lmao

image.png
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games a lot newer than it feels like

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only 3 years old PirateSimon

real moss
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for R8

twin dirge
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yeah true R8 is not going to be 1.5 months to make at all if it's supposed to be the "finale"

real moss
nocturne flax
real moss
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R3A3 is legit a very good level 👀

twin dirge
nocturne flax
twin dirge
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alt R2 yeah the later levels can take an hour though

nocturne flax
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me and the boys are usually the first one posting shit on media on release PirateSimon

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Funnily enough i get really lucky with rundown releases

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usually on my days off for some reason

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I think rundown 4 was the only rundown i didnt play on release and had to wait like 4 days

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😔

twin dirge
nocturne flax
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no way i will fit in there

twin dirge
nocturne flax
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of course im talking shit

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ill be the first one on taking that month vacation off

twin dirge
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I mean I'll give to 10C their work environment seems healthy for devs

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if it is actually as lax as it's thought

tough badger
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Probably not quite as lax as is often joked, but definitely seems way healthier than the games industry norm... Low bar that may be

twin dirge
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yeah game industry is intense

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so any form of being lax just ends up being a W

silk pebble
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The geometry in R7C3 is fucked. Scout tentacles finding me cause it clipped through a metal wall lol. A single error can often mean a total wipe, I’m getting frustrated that most of our wipes are due to game issues and not our own fuck ups. Rant over

wary olive
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go off king 👑 🙏

prisma zodiac
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Metall walls? musicmommyThink you mean the steel beams and catwalks and stuff?

mortal granite
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ya have to give me at least some screenshot

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there is a lot of metal wall in this game

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just saying...

twin dirge
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it's really vague

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like do they mean the catwalk metal railing

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cause it goes through that

astral ferry
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where r3

deft kiln
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when r3

atomic escarp
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why r3

past bough
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how r3

hallow owl
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I have a question, why at this time
is there no one

real moss
past bough
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your pfp better not be what i think it is

hallow owl
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I don't see many users by my standards

real moss
wide lion
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we need unstuck command))

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and pause in game xD

high vortex
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big scout?

royal lichen
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that's a huge scout

high vortex
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Yes!

brazen hollow
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We need a tank scout

wide lion
high vortex
past bough
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no

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we don't need every enemy to have a specific variant

raven flare
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mother tank spitter

real moss
raven flare
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scout that pulls out babies and if one of em alerts spawns more mothers

nocturne flax
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Out of all the shitty variamts from fatal you guys choose the shitiest

errant vigil
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There's a lot of shitty ones to pull from too kek

nocturne flax
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Givr mr the brawler

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Or bow about the other like 3 unrelease enemies we had

real moss
nocturne flax
real moss
nocturne flax
real moss
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The hate is strong with this one

high vortex
deft kiln
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Ben is on to something is only there was a working hybrid scout model and animation set

twin dirge
deft kiln
raven flare
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tank flyer oh my god

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oh i guess that just a big flyer

twin dirge
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yeah pretty much a big flyer

deft kiln
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Na big flyer isn’t enough of a threat they break 90% of the time in the complex

raven flare
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shouldnt that be worse
the fact that they just enter the complex somehow

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wouldnt that be more of a threat

paper harness
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Or actually spending all the time between alt rundown releases to design an original enemy

raven flare
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like r6 did
or r7
i would think they will considerin hows the streak now

errant vigil
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R5 was the only rundown to not have a totally new enemy

raven flare
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its still so funky to think the progenitor came before tank for some reason

errant vigil
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who

raven flare
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the progenitor
the caretaker
the true mamalamba
the backwards spine
the undescribable
the dog
the zumba lady

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i should be gettin paid by sayin all of these

obtuse surge
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do u mean schaeffer

raven flare
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no a mom

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really

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'the progenitor'

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'the zumba lady'

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she puts her hips high

twin dirge
errant vigil
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R2 was close too then

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But the Hybrid came through

twin dirge
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yeah

wary olive
errant vigil
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ye

wary olive
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🤯

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such innovation....

raven flare
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and cocoon

errant vigil
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shit R2 has 2 then

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The spitty bois

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I wouldn't count Cocoons as enemies though they don't really interact with the player

wary olive
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they block my melee sometimes

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😡

twin dirge
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skill issue

past bough
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bozo woke up the room

atomic escarp
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@raven flare

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Bruv

raven flare
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whut happened

atomic escarp
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Bruv

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I'm toxic it seems

raven flare
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u infected?

atomic escarp
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Nah

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Beginners crying

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Cuz i called him american

raven flare
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whut

atomic escarp
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Are people really don't have distance

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To themselfs

raven flare
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this is very gtfo spoilers talk i guess

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but... maybe they dislike the usa

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idk

tough badger
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American is an insult
I'd know, I'm American

fallow wasp
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At the end of R7E1, the warden had to reboot systems, but they forgot to back things up and so now they have to redo all the rundowns

half hornet
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nope

half hornet
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Choker is a lot more accurate than it wants me to believe

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That spray barely fits half of the aim circle

raven flare
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it does say on the description for the weapon somethin like low spread or somethin

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if i recall

half hornet
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Concentraded blast cone

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But the aim circle is still just wrong

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This is a general issue with this game - i'm yet to find a gun where the aim circle says the truth

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maybe one of the assault rifles

raven flare
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the aim circles a point to aim not a full guide if im not wrong
its just fully depends on the range u are

half hornet
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they why are they different size

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bullpup is pin point tight, this is choker's, and then pump's a little bit fatter

raven flare
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representation, hel shotgun has the same circle as scattergun i think and they arent BY FAR not the same spread

half hornet
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Actually pumpy is the one case where the circle says the truth

mellow cairn
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does anyone know what this "VS" stand for x(

VS.PNG
tough badger
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maybe Vehicle Search

atomic escarp
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@raven flare i did it bruv

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I passed my theory test

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29/40

raven flare
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niceeee

:]
good job

atomic escarp
hallow owl
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hey guy how play r 8?

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R 8

atomic escarp
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time travel forward 2 years then you can play it

real moss
hallow owl
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...

real moss
atomic escarp
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r2 dropped in december right

hallow owl
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I'm looking for a server job in America
I saw someone recruiting r8 room

atomic escarp
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wut

real moss
hallow owl
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LF3M R8A1 "Dec2026"

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???????

real moss
hallow owl
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.///

real moss
hallow owl
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T.T

paper harness
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hey guys how can play r8?

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where r8?

atomic escarp
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you've been playing ow2 for 6 hrs are you ok?

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do you need a hug?

mellow creek
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wen r8

burnt goblet
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2024

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no

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2025

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Nah 10c is gonna need a long break after they get r3-6 in the game (again) so 2026 is more reasonable

orchid kindle
past bough
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"gonna need a long break"
as if a random generator doesn't do most of the work for them PirateSimon

high vortex
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Handplacing the enemies (even thrugh JSON) is a high level of commitment and care, I appreciate you 10 Chambers!!!

nocturne flax
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Just see the many custom rundowns that pretty shit

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Level gen its a tool and they use it as such

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I wanna talk shit too, but the reality of making levels its different

past bough
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i never said it wasn't

high vortex
#

You have great wisdom, Dr. DRAGON

past bough
#

but like most of the levels feel the exact same

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to an extent

nocturne flax
#

They have structure

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Thats why you have tiers and optionals

past bough
#

gee no way i never would've thought that

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i like the game too, it just feels really repetitive the longer you play

nocturne flax
#

It will feel like that with any game you put 1000+ hours

past bough
#

i don't have 1000 hours tho

nocturne flax
#

I play gtfo for its gunplay anyway too

high vortex
#

Idk I like how uplinks and reactors and such mix things up

#

Early rundowns feel similar yes

#

But almost every level in R7 felt like it had identity to me

#

Besides A and B tier but you can only get SO creative with that

errant vigil
#

B2 and A1 are really the only lacking ones from R7

nocturne flax
#

They feel similar since they where in EA and they have change their mind so many times since then

prisma zodiac
errant vigil
#

Every levels feels like it added something new

atomic escarp
prisma zodiac
#

yea

errant vigil
#

The D2 door waves tho, I don't know if they've been used before

prisma zodiac
#

a1 is definetly the least unique thing by far
b2 is also very very basic

high vortex
#

HONESTLY

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I think B2 is memorable as super fog AND shadow heavy for a b tier

atomic escarp
#

The main gripe I have with level and uniqueness is that some of the older level really need a new/unique set of tiles

#

Like, R7B3's last room is gorgeous

high vortex
#

Yeah

errant vigil
#

The custom tile probably take a while to make though

atomic escarp
#

It's a map where I really feel like going in a deep weird abandoned complex

high vortex
#

Really I'd say everything but A1 feels memorable to me from R7

errant vigil
#

So people will just complain about the length between rundowns anyways

atomic escarp
#

Some maps, even new ones, kinda feel more like glorified corridors

high vortex
#

That said that's a matter of opinion. Thanks 10 Chambers for the awesome rundown is my main point, I guess!

obtuse surge
#

how tf the segs with maddox on A1 not memorable

errant vigil
#

Because he took Gun Customization away with him

obtuse surge
errant vigil
high vortex
obtuse surge
hidden crater
twin dirge
#

it's 100% easier to just shit on the creation someone else made
but say, you want to make your own GTFO rundown
and then it sinks in there is nothing and you need the sheer creativity and skill, to make viable levels people will want to play

mortal granite
#

in 1 of the custom rundown

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you can instantly see the different of machine doing the work vs human

twin dirge
nocturne flax
mortal granite
#

one of the custom rundown i played use a randomize type of mod that randomize everything

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objectives, enemy, tile

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everything and then after the randomize done, they put it as a level

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done

nocturne flax
#

Souless

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Gotcha

mortal granite
#

A level: 2 Pmother and 3 tanks

nocturne flax
#

And thwn you play chrysalis

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And its like chef kiss

mortal granite
#

2 sides of a coin

#

that rundown have 36 levels

errant vigil
#

The all surges level is pretty mid tho

#

Like R2E1

mortal granite
#

surges is cool, just don't put in too many of them

nocturne flax
#

Chrysalis
Sector 21
And theres another 3 more that i dont remember

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That are actual good quality rundowns

errant vigil
#

21 kekL

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it's 11 and he added checkpoint

#

So bad

nocturne flax
#

Isnt there like 2 ?

mortal granite
#

oh no, checkpoint

nocturne flax
#

Oh no

#

A game mechanic

#

Thats rarely use by the literal people with 2000+ hours

#

Oh no the horrors!

mortal granite
#

dragon bully

nocturne flax
#

Im just been honest

#

He can take the heat

raven flare
#

jumpscare

nocturne flax
errant vigil
#

I'll just pick myself up when I get down

#

easy clap

nocturne flax
#

This be like the crucifix for vampires

errant vigil
#

mobile checkpoint

nocturne flax
#

The only dissapointing fact of the ALT:/// rundowns is that its the perfect time to rework some of the features and game mechanics*

#

But will.never happend because of downsize of the team working on gtfo

#

😔

mortal granite
#

what feature

nocturne flax
#

Booster could use a change

#

Too much rng

#

Doors could use a rework on how their health its based so permafoaming its not braindead

mortal granite
#

just c foam the floor

#

4head

errant vigil
#

nah just largestfoam

#

easy clear

nocturne flax
#

Also im calling it checkpoints are getting removed from.the gamw

mortal granite
#

everyone told me to c foam the charger scout

nocturne flax
mortal granite
#

work on my machine

raven flare
#

i like when they say permafoamin
cause when the game just wants u to not do it
it doesnt let u with a t scan or with multime whole team ones or whatevs
and even so, that strategy is not very well know unless u play the game a lot

#

so by that point, sure use it

mortal granite
#

it's still the player choice

#

but patch is rather than just leave it

#

like a certain exploit

nocturne flax
raven flare
#

huhi guess i just dont see it very often

mortal granite
#

it usually strat where desperate people need a clear

#

or people that just want to make the game easier

nocturne flax
#

R3 was permafoam central

#

Also make devalues the threat of the sleepers and make its boring

#

Like come on men you telling me im holding 20 enemies of various sizes and strengh because of some suspicious white substance?

mortal granite
#

they should have made an enemy where it make door isn't a thing

nocturne flax
#

Or just rework the door health

#

Small door breaks on 7 i think amd big doors on 12

#

Cfoam health adds another 6 hits

#

I think

errant vigil
#

Animation required for full cfaom health

nocturne flax
#

I will die on that hill

obtuse surge
#

they should remove the checkpoints or actually use them in all the rundowns

#

but they probably wont do either

#

so at one point we will have 6 rundowns available and for some random fucking reason the last one will have checkpoints in nearly all its levels

#

while all the other levels will have no checkpoints

#

it will make so much sense

errant vigil
#

The duality of GTFO

obtuse surge
#

i hope that for R8 they at least realise that if rundowns aren't being removed there's not much point in adding A/B tiers

errant vigil
#

ye

#

Had 7 other sets of them

#

I don't know how people would be bad at that point

#

But wait you can select R8 without completing any other rundown

past bough
#

r8 should only have c, d and e tier levels imo

twin dirge
#

R8 should be one 6hr long A1 mission

past bough
#

6 hour long e1 level

atomic escarp
mortal portal
#

Yeah, I think for R8 they no longer have an excuse to make a harder rundown.

half hornet
raven flare
#

is a pretty random comment but they mean R8 should be hard

real moss
tough badger
#

They did forget a few words in the original wording

#

Anyway, personally I like seeing a nice difficulty curve down the tiers. I hope we get some nice and well-balanced A/B-tiers for r8, in addition to some absolutely brutal D and E levels

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Some r5-esque optional objectives would be a great way to keep the early tiers interesting for everyone without making it so bad players have no new content to throw themselves at

#

Especially since r6/r7 A tiers were both kinda token

atomic escarp
#

With the amount of "easy" expeditions the game will have by then, it's hard to imagine someone bad that doesn't have something more at his level to grasp against rather than another A-tier level

#

With the exception of R4 and R5 B-tiers, and arguably R7B3 PE, I feel like most B tiers are kinda okayish as far as "easy content" goes

#

I guess that the point being made here is that there's already a decent coverage of "easy" stuff to do

#

So might aswell offer more challange

#

Especially IF R4 and R5 get nerfed

tough badger
#

I'm just greedy and want both. There's something about well-designed easy content that really satisfies me (like r5a2ex. Perfect intro to optionals imo)

atomic escarp
#

I mean, no reason to say no to that

tough badger
#

Rather than saying "enough easy levels" is a reason they should ignore adding more easy content, I'd say it's a good reason to avoid meaningfully nerfing r4 and r5

#

...though r5c2ov should probably be reworked to... work

astral ferry
#

aren't all the levels basically nerfed from all the tool buffs we've had

tough badger
#

At the very least mines not being bugged means anything before r5 is automatically nerfed that way

#

cfoam is also more consistent now

#

Sentries would probably be mostly neutral outside bio synergy? I don't really like bio synergy though

astral ferry
#

I would say it would lean towards a slight buff for sniper sentry even with back damage being removed

tough badger
#

Sniper is definitely king right now

astral ferry
#

I mean it excels at its intended purpose, but there's other levels where I would prefer burst (r2e1)

#

It's more demanding in terms of placement so even a mediocre placement means it just won't even shoot at all

tough badger
#

Yeah it's not quite r5 level
Though I think part of why it was so strong in r5 was an excess of very long sight lines for it in almost every level

#

And lots of chargers

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(same with hel weapons, they were both all overtuned and exactly what the map+enemies called for almost every time)

astral ferry
#

Not sure if auto sentry and shotgun sentry even serve a purpose if they remain in their current state

tough badger
#

Shotgun sentry absolutely doesn't
Even when it performs passably the ammo efficiency is just... Depressing

half hornet
#

Another E1 failed, and in exactly the same spot too... Did they had to make every single scan a team scan?

#

A guy gets lost in the fog, makes a wrong turn, gets downed, its impossible to get him back because the enemies are too much and bam the run lost just like that despite being relatively flawless up to that point.

#

TFW 1 wrong turn costs you an hour of gameplay. Must be GTFO.

molten stirrup
#

Thats a E level alright, not going to go easy on the player

mortal portal
#

That's the GTFO experience for ya

molten stirrup
#

Thats the whole point really of E tier, to make it as sufferable and challenging as possible

molten stirrup
errant vigil
#

Don’t say KWTD in lfg though some mutes get really upset if you do

tough badger
#

Now r2e1 is definitely on the monotonous side
But that extraction run do be something

half hornet
#

So... What is the meta against surge alarms?

#

Clearly killing them is not an option, the main idea is to stall

#

How the fuck do you stall a giant army in a room size of a small theatre

errant vigil
#

Killing is an option

real moss
narrow gulch
#

bringing efficient weapons for waveclear (mainly stagger), leaving the room, avoiding the scan till the actual circle pops up and rushing to it, cheesing with c foam

half hornet
#

I guess but dear lord

errant vigil
#

If we got all these weapon buffs and still people aren’t shooting surges, that is crazy

narrow gulch
#

(mainly cheesing with cfoam)

half hornet
#

Once 15 of them just appear in front of you - that's usually a wipe

narrow gulch
#

shooting good is the fun way but

#

most ppl cant do that

mortal portal
#

Just shoot a lot

#

Bring weapons for wave clearing

errant vigil
#

Hi Cal is in R2 which has no enemy variation

#

Should be fine

narrow gulch
#

when someone asks about surges and a guy with hel shotgun enthusiast in their nick starts typing

half hornet
#

I'll try HEL shotgun next time, carbine just can't deal with 5 enemies at once

velvet linden
#

please do not try hel shotgun

mortal portal
#

HEL shotgun good

velvet linden
#

no

narrow gulch
#

try hel or combat shotgun

mortal portal
#

You just lack the skill

half hornet
#

Mandatory thermals

mortal portal
half hornet
#

Can't deal with shadow BS otherwise

narrow gulch
#

ah

#

I recommend pdw and combat then

half hornet
#

So its either PDW or Precision

#

That leave me with no mid range engagement though

mortal portal
#

Don't bring precision rifle to a surge

#

That is a recipe for disaster

narrow gulch
#

mg is pretty good if you can use it

half hornet
#

I mean

#

i can snipe a couple of them from afar and then switch to HEL to deal with survivors

narrow gulch
#

I ended up not wanting to bring thermals on the level just cuz neither weapon that has it is good for the alarms

mortal portal
#

Yeah

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Also apparently they nerfed shadows so you can see them a bit more without a flashlight

narrow gulch
#

(really wish the shadow part didnt exist or was the center piece of the level)

mortal portal
#

Like, now you can actually see some of their shadows projecting onto the wall or ground in lit areas

half hornet
#

The shadow stealth to get loot gives me R7C3 vibes

errant vigil
#

That’s how it’s always been

half hornet
#

After you get familiar with it - its just boring grind

#

just get me to the bit where everyone dies, don't waste my time with this

#

Shadow giants are the biggest offenders

#

At least you can just kill the smalls, but giants require teamwork yadi yada, setups and shit

narrow gulch
#

I wish they werent as fucky cuz I cant bum rush them like regular giants

half hornet
#

The throbing desync too

prisma zodiac
#

artek needs the challenge

tough badger
#

Precision rifle is fine for surges you just hip fire a clip and give up on reloading it PirateSimon

half hornet
#

pretty much yeah

#

it still 2-shots the strikers

#

bonus points for accidental hip headshot

prisma zodiac
#

tbh. dont need thermals rly for r2e1 @half hornet
if you want to just pull the shadow giants

#

and small shadows just alert and hammer

#

speeds stuff up

#

and you have enough ammo unless you overshoot a bunch on surges

half hornet
#

That's pretty much what the squad was doing

tough badger
#

Low and slow with flashlight works fine too
Not like people had thermals back in the day

half hornet
#

Pull, mow them down, get loot, move on

#

We were doing fine, but it still took a good hour to get the bit

#

And then one mistake and its all over. Sigh.

#

And now i'm burned out and fall asleep on consecutive attempts.

#

Can't get past first alarm with other people.

tough badger
#

That do be E-tier
Especially r2e1 since the challenge is pretty much exclusively surges

half hornet
#

my cfoam boosters are gone as well...

#

they got us so far

tough badger
#

Nothing else in that entire level is actually hard

half hornet
#

From what i saw its pretty much that one fucked up room

#

The copypaste of the first room, only there's extra enemies

#

And all scans are team scans

#

So one guy goes down and its over

tough badger
#

Ah yea, cracking that's a pain, scan rng in the pit room sucks

prisma zodiac
errant vigil
#

Ladder cfoam cheese

half hornet
#

That was part of it

errant vigil
#

What else

prisma zodiac
#

Tbf yeah. Without ladder foam first surge in error can be rough

half hornet
#

But mostly i could just spam it everywhere and slow down the surge to a crawl

prisma zodiac
#

with it its easy af

prisma zodiac
errant vigil
#

I hope people keep doing it so the fix it

tough badger
#

Ladder cheese is funny but it gets old fast

half hornet
#

BTW

#

Burst or sniper for R2E1 - which is better?

errant vigil
#

Burst

#

Not many long sight lines

tough badger
#

And you don't actually care if the targets die

prisma zodiac
#

yea

#

auto sentry would legit be even better. But ya know

half hornet
#

Hmmm

#

Big brain strats: wait for R3 release, try bring new guns to R2

#

If they release anything good that is...

prisma zodiac
#

Personally

If you wanna ladder foam cheese. Then foam, bio, mines, burst

Otherwise bio, mines, 2 burst

half hornet
#

The former is how we got to where we got. Cfoam is amazing.

prisma zodiac
#

Eh. R3 guns are hella broken (unless nerfed)

But they arent the best in r2e1 outside of possibly hel gun being good

half hornet
#

Unfortunately couldn't save us from the room

#

I hate it so much

prisma zodiac
#

first surge in error?

half hornet
#

The final push, some door that requires a IV scan i believe

#

What, there's more?

#

That's not the only door?

#

Fuck me

narrow gulch
#

the error is mildly long yes

prisma zodiac
#

3 zones (well 4 with extract)

half hornet
#

oh jesus

prisma zodiac
#

@half hornet beginning is harder tho

#

it gets easier

half hornet
#

I fucking hope so

prisma zodiac
#

I mean error will be worse

#

but the zones dont even have fog

#

💀

#

like why

half hornet
#

so...

#

the squad can drop the fog turbine after that door?

prisma zodiac
#

yes

half hornet
#

Alright, that's great

#

At least 1 person can just shoot properly

prisma zodiac
#

And if you rly wanna get the clear

#

just perma foam the small ladder before the first surge in the error

#

and have 1 person wait outside the actual scan room

#

for like 10-15 seconds while surge is pulled

#

voila

#

free surge

#

its baby easy if you cheese it

half hornet
#

hm

#

I think that's what we attempted to do (at least the action i was told to take kinda fit the description) but it didn't help

errant vigil
#

Yeah which is good they can spawn on the right side and not have a cheese ladder to go through

prisma zodiac
#

you gotta do it right

#

its only 3-4 enemies at that point per error wave

#

just clear out the big room calmly as a group

#

then move cell in

#

then cfoam the ladder with blobs

prisma zodiac
half hornet
#

So that's where the shooters came from that kept peppering the back of my head

errant vigil
#

When will they change enemy spawn to 1 room away

prisma zodiac
#

1 room surge could be fun

half hornet
#

Dear god no

prisma zodiac
#

if it was obvious

half hornet
#

Killing Floor flashbacks

prisma zodiac
#

i mean the first surge

#

in r2e1 is a 1 room surge

half hornet
#

i'm so tired of teleporting scrakes appearing behind corners i'm about to turn

kind swan
#

Replace that tired into "I'm loving"

runic mauve
#

Can someone explain to me why, when playing r7e1, when we teleported to the desert the chargers all instantly woke up? None of us fired, at least some of us had our flashlights on

eternal dragon
#

Bad rng

runic mauve
#

actually? like do people just not know why?

eternal dragon
#

Jk somebody prolly shot

half hornet
#

Could be anything really.

#

Maybe someone flashed a light on a charger for too long after, maybe someone took a shot right before / right after releporting, could be just a bug in the sound or even someone modded pulling pranks.

runic mauve
#

am playing with friends so i know for sure no one's modded
they woke up right after, like i started reloading when the teleport happened and they were awake before it was done
i did shoot shortly before the teleport, so i was wondering if the sound from that was residual or something

eternal dragon
#

Happens all the time that you tp and ppl are shooting mid teleport

kind swan
eternal dragon
#

If they woke up right after u tped it was prolly a shot

kind swan
#

It happens but no one admits it or notices

eternal dragon
#

Everyone is a pro

kind swan
eternal dragon
#

Im a Monster

#

Liarblade

kind swan
#

Sad many guide videos are outdated too

#

Random ass thought but I just see too many people going by old info

eternal dragon
#

Did you know that the enemies are more likely to wake up the deeper you go down

#

That’s prolly what happened on jarheads run

#

Because it’s E1

kind swan
#

Hammer chargeless taps shooters and strikers to the occi.

#

Sentry back damage/behind doors

errant vigil
#

Hammer kiting is king

kind swan
#

I'm also sad someone whole heartedly trusted Knife reduced noise Radius

#

And he kept waking up rooms

eternal dragon
#

The silent stab

kind swan
#

Reduced noise as in on physical locks

#

still pains me how much this one group of beginners I joined before.

#

3 knifes and then my 1 Hammer

errant vigil
#

Scouts call in more waves if not killed

half hornet
#

I was wondering about it for a while

#

Because i swear i heard them scream multiple times

errant vigil
#

Scouts scream again when they did

#

But it does nothing

half hornet
#

Its psyops that's what it is

runic mauve
# eternal dragon Happens all the time that you tp and ppl are shooting mid teleport

i mean, i have two different video perspectives that shows that at least the two of us didn't shoot mid teleport, and i hear no gunfire going on during or immediately after
again, i shot within about a second of actually teleporting but it was all before
if that still counts then i'm glad to know that, but there was no shot afterwards as far as i can see or hear

eternal dragon
#

Before doesn’t matter

#

But enemies don’t just randomly wake up

#

Could’ve been a silent shot too

runic mauve
#

looking again from the other perspective it looks like the last shot from the burst from my carbine might have come through to the host mid teleport so i guess it's possible that was it

eternal dragon
#

Just pull out your hammer next time before you tp

runic mauve
#

yeah will do so lol

kind swan
#

Hits floor with Hammer

#

long range aggros beeg chorgar

half hornet
#

I despise R2E1

image.png
#

I think i'm gonna give up on it for a while

nocturne flax
#

2 burst sentries

#

hell 1 sniper 1 burst its good for the surge

prisma zodiac
#

2 hours o.O?

half hornet
#

That's what clearing every single room to get those resources looks like. And maybe you can strike off like 30 minutes for people going AFK at various moments.

prisma zodiac
#

30 min afk would make it more understandable but still longish

half hornet
#

Not that it matters, in the end. 100 health, 100 ammo, 100 tool and it amounts to nothing when the ERROR comes for you

prisma zodiac
#

people overrate the error a lot

#

1 person can shoot it up for minutes

#

especially once past the 1st surge

#

you get a ton of ammo

past bough
atomic escarp
#

But I've never played the original so I've no idea

#

It would explain some people's fear

#

My group also wanted to clear all zones for resources

half hornet
#

Its worth it, but frustruatingly grindish. "Oh look, another room with 2 shadow bigs!"

#

We fucked up stealth more than once and then people get punched against the wall.

burnt goblet
#

simply dont fuck up the stealth PirateSimon

velvet flower
#

And eventually you become better, that's what people get after OG R2E1

half hornet
#

I enjoyed carrying the sniper battle against 2 hybrids though

#

On the 2nd surge

#

Whole squad down and its only these 2 assholes and me with my precision rifle

prisma zodiac
half hornet
#

Hiding in cover, taking shots and going back

prisma zodiac
#

now its hard at the start. but easy at the end

#

tbf the last zone in og r2e1 was rough

atomic escarp
#

I mean, I shot in the scout room because I wasn't paying much attention and so ended up waking it up

#

We still did it

half hornet
#

oh btw: HEL Shotgun did fucking nothing

atomic escarp
#

Error wave really felt incredibly tame

half hornet
#

Well... IT was amazing against shadow giants to stagger them into oblivion

prisma zodiac
#

had to go through 3 full fog rooms (albeit small) and all of those could have smalls while the at this point semi big error is spawning ahead/behind

half hornet
#

But its worthless against the surges because the reload kills you

prisma zodiac
#

@half hornet thats a user issue

#

or team issue

#

hel shotgun completely stops a surge wave

#

then your team covers

#

or you shoot with special

#

by that point the scan is done. you run away and reload

narrow gulch
#

dont spam it, the clips massive and yeah ^ when you run out you shouldnt be holding at that point

prisma zodiac
#

No gun is gonna completely stop a surge solo AND reload quick

#

the spam comes in when enemies are giga bunched up

velvet flower
prisma zodiac
#

oh yea

#

that aswell

nocturne flax
#

most of the time you wouldnt even go to those rooms and stick to the path

velvet linden
half hornet
#

I dont hate it anymore, it did carried me through R7C3PE back in the day

#

Just full squad of quadro HELs

#

Stunlock everything until it dies

velvet linden
half hornet
#

TFW when you drop 2 giants by yourself in like 6-7 shots

#

And they can't fight back at all

nocturne flax
half hornet
#

It does need a good special partner that can compensate it

#

And PR aint it, unfortunately

#

I'll try PDW + Combat next time

#

If there will be a next time that is

icy meteor
#

reload cancel and youll beat it

half hornet
#

The ERR bit is exceptionally... Urgh.

prisma zodiac
#

@half hornet just. dont. take. thermals

half hornet
#

but i can see shadows

narrow gulch
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turn on your flashligh

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half hornet
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It makes the stealth 200% easier

velvet linden
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wait till this guy finds out about eyes

deft kiln
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the shadows are a really small part of the level

half hornet
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I do not see them otherwise, at all, ever

prisma zodiac
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@half hornet shoot them

half hornet
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I talked about this

prisma zodiac
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biotracker ping

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BOOM

velvet flower
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Keep playing you'll beat it, I hated OG R2E1 back then, that's probably the only level I didn't touch once I beat it once

prisma zodiac
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shadows are such a small part

nocturne flax
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its like 2 zones

half hornet
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People are hesitant to just go all blasting on em'

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We did a couple of times and people were still sceptic

prisma zodiac
half hornet
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That's if you don't search for loot

prisma zodiac
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@half hornet you dont have to shoot them ALL. you can sneak past some (bio communicating helps)

deft kiln
prisma zodiac
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you can mine a door for some

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sentry for some