gtfo-spoiler-chat

[nocturne flax]

Fixing basically the issue we currently have with bots just leaving scans

[daring pilot]

That’s actually pretty cool

[nocturne flax]

Because of the magnet that they put to players

Why did they reverted thst i have no idea

They made basically the best bot support for the game then decided to fuck it up

Worst thinf of all its probably a toggable thing in the game

[atomic escarp]

I would assume so

[nocturne flax]

That was the first itiration of bots

When they could go and kill scouts

[atomic escarp]

Otherwise it be random and might cause issues

[nocturne flax]

Wich was janky and stupid

Good thinf they took that out

[atomic escarp]

That's too much for bots

[nocturne flax]

Yeah

But the scan thing

Please make it come back

It was the best experience with bots achieve today

It would allow for more desiciin making

[atomic escarp]

U can make bots help kill a scout if cfoamed before it becomes immune

[nocturne flax]

Thats cool

They do help in stealth sometimes

I got a clip in my pc with me and hacket bot clearing a room

Pretty cool

But please

10cx

[atomic escarp]

R7c3 best u could get out of that

[nocturne flax]

Give the old scan programming

It was so good

[atomic escarp]

I can only imagine what u witnessed

[nocturne flax]

It was blessing

[deft kiln]

Last time a bot helped me in stealth it shotgunned me in the back because I woke up a baby

[nocturne flax]

You could do just like with players

You could go and defend a wave while a bot would help the other player do scans

The versatility of what you could do without worrying about getting too far from a bot

[atomic escarp]

Don't remember who said this but devs don't want to implement some features else bots become too powerful

[nocturne flax]

With easter unit mod you can trust them in combat more

[nocturne flax]

Hes wrong

Yeah killing scouts i agree and im glad they tske that out

But holy shit allow me to do scans in peace

I could.do a whole video just showcasing the entire thing if i still had it

[atomic escarp]

They certainly can balance bots to compensate for new features

[nocturne flax]

Im just mad they had something good and throw it away (again)

[nocturne flax]

It wasnt broken

It was good programming and game design

But threw it away

And give us babysit bot simulator 2022

[atomic escarp]

Is it possible to replicate using... You know 🤔

[nocturne flax]

They said some values are hardcoded

But their looking into it

[atomic escarp]

Idk if id trust that

Bots still try to stagger a whole wave like some riot police

[nocturne flax]

Easter unit mod doesnt extend scan range or anything but makes bot use gun like 100% of the time

Wich was exelent on levels like c2 in wich you can actually rely on them killing a small wave while moving cells and turbine

And he added a request that gives a delay on bots to revive

[atomic escarp]

That be hella nice 🤤

[nocturne flax]

Wich basically helps saves runs

It has a solid like 20 seconds that checks for enemies before reviving

[atomic escarp]

Man why we not have this

[nocturne flax]

Instead of just kamkize into a whole group of giants

[atomic escarp]

Tell me about it 💀

[nocturne flax]

Of course devs could probably implement this better, specially since they had really good bot support at first during testing

Ill keep been the extremist advocate for a bot qol patch

[atomic escarp]

That feature alone would increase my winning odds by a lot

[nocturne flax]

It would increase the success rate of many people really

I play 2 bot 2 pkayers with my so

The mod that helps with combats works well but if we had better scans we would be chilling

And if we could put bots like sentries bruh

Gtfo comunity would be set

Bots on surges be like, lemme melee 20 enemies real quick

[atomic escarp]

Id love these features, i will literally drop my humanity and become an AI

R6d4 bots during surge went doomslayer mode

Only reason why i got it cpless

[mossy marsh]

tfw bots suddenly goes rampage mode and kills a whole wave in one melee swing

[mortal granite]

Precision Rifle

[subtle vault]

Anyone got any good loadout tips for R2E1?

[mossy marsh]

machine pistol and sniper

[past bough]

wake up every room and shoot everything in sight

[subtle vault]

We've been doing that

We just need a good idea on what weapons to bring

oh, nvm. MP and simper

bet

[neat sluice]

Can you softlock your team by putting cells in the wrong generators in R2B2?

[hexed vapor]

No.

[twin dirge]

soft block by placing mines in malicious spots

[lilac sage]

Wait, have they added checkpoints to R7E1?

Someone said they added checks to R2E1, but we just finished it and there were no checkpoints

So did they mean R7?

[mortal portal]

Another one bites the dust

[narrow gulch]

Gone

[twin dirge]

gaslighting isn't real

[lilac sage]

??

lmfao

[broken scarab]

Don’t trust the internet someone 😉

[vapid moon]

Machine Pistol, Machine Gun

[twin dirge]

^^^

[tribal loom]

R2B2 broken for anyone else

I complete it but won’t show as completed

[obtuse surge]

complete it harder

[fallow wasp]

Harder better faster stronger

[robust marsh]

@nocturne flax i would agree but i never was called a god nor did i save runs by running around hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[nocturne flax]

Dont carw

You still bad at the game

[robust marsh]

i know

[nocturne flax]

You only opinions are basically project zeroes

Flawed view of the game

[robust marsh]

no not really

his views are very diff than mine

like very very

[nocturne flax]

You would literally say the same things as him for like a year straight

[robust marsh]

i like stamina removed and some things added but not super over the top that it becomes a diff game

[rich estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-popcorn-eating-gif-18107571

[nocturne flax]

I guess rey you missing perspective

[robust marsh]

how so?

everytime i said something it was of my own opinion so i don't know where your coming from

but guess im missing something

[nocturne flax]

Lemme ban you realquick

Im gonna prettend you were cheating on lfg

[rich estuary]

bruh

[nocturne flax]

Wouldnt be the first time!

they will believe me

[robust marsh]

i dont even have the cheat menu anymore

endskill is gone too

[nocturne flax]

Yeah i kill him

the next its you

[rich estuary]

Rest in peace

[robust marsh]

K

[nocturne flax]

and then youll join in a alt account and illl move on

[robust marsh]

i mean if you want to come all the way to iran in this time of the year you are welcome to come over

[nocturne flax]

Hell no

too fa

thats like 7000 miles

internet aint even that good there

[rich estuary]

I'd recommend not holding this discussion here, you can take it to dm if you want

[past bough]

nah hold the discussion here

cause mayhem

[pliant shard]

I believe black dragon. I will stand up for this dude because he has cool numbers in his name (224 is the greatest). If you wanna support black dragon make sure to look up Black Dragon Inflation

[atomic escarp]

Fair enough let me see

Boy

[pliant shard]

thank you for supporting

Please check out collectblackdragoncards.com

[atomic escarp]

I'm good for today 😶

[pliant shard]

Well then I’m going to follow up with you tommorow on the trading cards!

[atomic escarp]

Yeah that sounds great

[sly tapir]

$800 gtfo merch posters and $300 hoodies when?

[twin dirge]

$400 hoodie but it just has "GTFO" printed on the back

[hidden crater]

A shirt

[past bough]

gtfo teams be like

[chilly prairie]

• Where is your sentry ?
  Left it on the last scan it had no ammo left. -

[scenic lion]

Just died on extraction on R2D1 solo with bots due to lack of ammo

[atomic escarp]

u def dont want to do that 😬

[scenic lion]

I'm doing every R2 level blind, just figuring it out as I go, I definitely didnt expect a class 4 or 5 alarm before running for extraction

[atomic escarp]

stack 2 burst sentries they'll do you a lot

[scenic lion]

I'm running a 2 sniper sentry loadout

I take a mine deployer and bishop with the bioscanner

[royal lichen]

open the "res" room also, 1 room only, no spawns from there..

[atomic escarp]

in d1 they wont do you much not enough line of sights for em to be good enough

[scenic lion]

oh right, I forgot the "disinfection zone" existed

totally forgot to open it

aw man

probably would've done it

[royal lichen]

no ammo in there tho iirc, but medi and dis

[scenic lion]

medi would've helped a lot too, hacket died as soon as we started running and he had a lot of ammo

[atomic escarp]

zone 614 has plenty of resources and can have a cell in it

[royal lichen]

repellers also, the fog goes yay high

[scenic lion]

which one is 614?

is that the one that has a cell in it but also needs a cell to be opened?

or is it the res room @royal lichen was talking about

[royal lichen]

dis zone needed a key iirc, a while since we played d1

[atomic escarp]

yes

[atomic escarp]

dis zone is 608

[scenic lion]

oh okok

and does that need an alarm to be opened?

or is it just sec scan

[royal lichen]

nope

[scenic lion]

I mean 614

[royal lichen]

scan, open, enemies, 1 room, wont affect gen alarm spawns

ahh

[scenic lion]

thats good to know tho

[atomic escarp]

no alarm

[scenic lion]

nicee

I'll go for it next run then

both of them

I also went for a zone that I didn't need to because I misread the number

[royal lichen]

close doors if u can.. audio bug hurts

every spitter emits sound etc

[scenic lion]

the room with the 2 blood doors and a class v alarm at the other end of the room

[scenic lion]

I did that alarm and went inside

wasn't expecting to see 6 scouts

just for a couple of resources

[atomic escarp]

that one has 2 scouts in every room it was fun triggering them with no ammo

[scenic lion]

it ended up being worth it tho

[scenic lion]

yeah I managed to kill all of them, but my blood was boiling

[atomic escarp]

it has some resources i say not worth the trouble

unless it has a cell

[scenic lion]

idk if it can have cell, but at least on my run it didnt

[atomic escarp]

yeah it can

[brazen hollow]

Guys I think our bishop is a bit suggestive..

[atomic escarp]

oh ugh... might wanna give him a break for today

[hidden crater]

Kakyoin when facing dio

[past bough]

if you were fighting monsters in a deadly complex for years, you'd probably want a way of relaxing yourself too

[deft kiln]

Okay fine but do it quietly

[twin dirge]

thats what she said

[burnt goblet]

In terms of bugs like that, the ladder animation one where youre still doing the climb ladder animation even off the ladder is my favorite

[fringe surge]

Could some recommend the general tool loadout for r2 d2

I was thinking of double sniper sentry ,mines,and bio

After r7 I've begun to bring sniper more so than burst sentry for reactor missions

[atomic escarp]

mines are useless

[fringe surge]

Incredible

No blood doors?

[atomic escarp]

bio 2 sniper 1 burst or 3 sniper

[fringe surge]

Oo sumthin

Got it

[atomic escarp]

only 1

[fringe surge]

Ah

[atomic escarp]

but its not bad

[fringe surge]

Thank you

[atomic escarp]

few enemies and 2-3 hybrids

[fringe surge]

I'll prob go with triple sniper
That combo deleted most of r7 e1

;p

[gaunt jolt]

109775242552927466
[23:46]
we need 2moe people
[23:46]
tryna do sme missions

[wary olive]

[23:47]
You should try lfg

[autumn pendant]

[23:56] why r we still here

[hidden crater]

just to suffer

[twin dirge]

[00:02]
it gets lonely in the mines

[uncut drift]

[00:04]
Until u hear footsteps

[pliant pasture]

[20:49]
they will suffer with you

[pale stratus]

[69:69]
nice

[raven flare]

[00:00]
universe is born

[deft kiln]

[20:04] I don’t get the bit

[pliant pasture]

[7:89]
Me neither

[4:56]
after host migration on R1A1, we did the extraction scan, and the scan didn't extract us

[6:66]
Rip in pepperonis

[kind swan]

[obtuse surge]

e

[pale stratus]

[04:20]
…heh

[twin dirge]

[04:21]
...damn

[fleet tundra]

If you haven't beaten it yet if you're iffy on melee killing scouts fairly quickly I'd advise bringing a cfoam instead of the third sentry to make it easier. One room with ~3 scouts and other enemies that are pretty much not optional to kill.

[fringe surge]

Normal scouts are easy

If you see the tentacles turn red
Run faster

[fleet tundra]

Then you'll be fine then, I just know some people have problems killing scouts quietly while other sleepers are around so thought I'd let you know about it

[fringe surge]

Thank you

[fallow wasp]

Take it from me; never fight scouts on stairs or ramps

[deft kiln]

would fight a scout in a house with a mouse

[fallow wasp]

I would never fight a scout in a house with a mouse

[burnt goblet]

But would you fight a mouse In a house with a scout

[hidden crater]

take it from me, fight scouts on stairs or ramps, it'd be funny

[royal lichen]

take it from fight, scout the mouse. now.

[fallow wasp]

Let’s not do that- scout

We need to do this- scout

[candid dragon]

big-scout

[twin dirge]

giant shadow scout in R8

[deft kiln]

ALSO A MOM???????

[twin dirge]

I can imagine that

if you fail to kill, it spawns babies, and summons a wave

[deft kiln]

i honestly want self replicating babies

babies that makes babies that make babies

sounds just way to fun

[broken scarab]

👀

[wary olive]

did first uplink for r7c3 always only spawn 6 chargers then stop completely

[boreal tendon]

yes it did

[wary olive]

thats dumb af

[boreal tendon]

i've seen worse in r7

ahem e1 ahem

[autumn pendant]

Nah r7e1 was a blast I get to play tag for the first half

[past bough]

i felt completed in r7e1 when i successfully bonked pablo multiple times without getting socked in the face by him

[fallow wasp]

Don’t be mean to him

He’s trying his best

He even follows you to alternate dimensions. You know how much running that takes?

[deft kiln]

can you tell me why they chose to add this texture to shooter butts

[mossy marsh]

🗿

[past bough]

idk

[atomic escarp]

last wishes

shit myself

[nocturne flax]

Homeboy really posted a cc in spoiler chat

press t right next to her

see what happens

teleportation sounds

[deft kiln]

i have another image but i cant send it

[nocturne flax]

no balls

[rotund ether]

i want an enemy that when comes too close just explodes on your face and gives u infection

[errant vigil]

nah this is R6 release build

it's legal

[obtuse surge]

she wasnt lying, that ass can squirt

[errant vigil]

Watch out you'll summon "them"

[deft kiln]

you cant say the name

else they appear

[nocturne flax]

They aint scare me

[errant vigil]

Sad they use the most generic names

[obtuse surge]

you have alerted the horde ⚠️

[errant vigil]

Watch out Robert is coming

[nocturne flax]

Easy to cover up

[errant vigil]

Peter stalks behind him

[nocturne flax]

multiple nationalities

jason bourne tactics

[errant vigil]

They funny tho

[errant vigil]

alright I'll stop

[atomic escarp]

playing purble place?

[nocturne flax]

Im hungry

I ask calle for bot improvements

only silence

i weep and cry

[atomic escarp]

with you on this one

[obtuse surge]

ok easternunit alt

[nocturne flax]

paid video

gotta feed myself

[obtuse surge]

respect the grind king 🔥

[deft kiln]

no worries eat food

[silent kettle]

u guys r pubs

[errant vigil]

Sorry to say everyone is a pub

[deft kiln]

i mean i still don't know how to uses tools

[silent kettle]

i too like armor multi

[obtuse surge]

tool abusers

[nocturne flax]

TAMARA ATE THE WHOLE PIZZA BRUH

[kind swan]

Tamara: Order a better pizza next time

sadly I live in the middle of nowhere and can't order food for delivery.

[nocturne flax]

its 6:57 man

she ate the whole thing

[nocturne flax]

but mah peperoniii!!!

[kind swan]

having worked pizza before

I used to be a basic pep/italian sausage pizza

but now I've just got a whole palette of them now

[candid olive]

where are all "AWOL" enjoyers

[royal lichen]

playing r2e1

[mortal granite]

"i don't want to play with you anymore" - Andy

[candid olive]

[astral ferry]

r7d2 💤

[swift marten]

hey so I'm a little new, but I was wondering if all the levels were virtually the same?

as in, go down into a facility, look for something, grab it and get out?

I'm not sure if it's my lack of experience with deeper levels

or if it's just the intended gameplay loop

[daring pilot]

ehhh kind of, some levels you'll collect multiple items, some levels you'll find items, use them to power things up, some levels will involve terminal command sequences, and others may vary

some literally are just clearing through enemies

or survive

[swift marten]

ah I see

so it's not always the same?

[daring pilot]

nope

[royal lichen]

usually get in, do shit and be like what the f... but never on no sunday

[daring pilot]

also sometimes your objective can change throughout the level

R6D1 was the primary example of that

[swift marten]

unfortunately that's kind of the vibe I got from playing through most of the R1 missions

[daring pilot]

also optional objectives tho

[swift marten]

it gets boring after a while and I lose motivation

[raven flare]

R1 was the first part of the game made, so most of the gameplay was just testin

[daring pilot]

yeah R1 is pretty barebones, R2 but mainly R7 are much more interesting

[raven flare]

then it became more complex

[daring pilot]

I'd play R7 for a more interesting experience

[royal lichen]

level generation is done by tiles with variation, usually wont take long to notice "wow this the same room as level x zone y" ..

[raven flare]

maybe r2 too, since the beginnin levels are very funk

a1 b1 b2 n stuff

oh yeah why is this in gtfo spoilers

[swift marten]

I figured it wouldn't be an appropriate question to ask in #general

though

[raven flare]

theres gtfo related questions too

[swift marten]

yeah I was about to say

[raven flare]

yeah
aight have fun

[past bough]

go ask in general

it'll be funny

[fallow wasp]

What is everyone’s hopes for r8? I hope we go fight something immeasurably large like in lost planet or darkest dungeon

[real moss]

Bruv

[prisma zodiac]

Not an open end to the lore
Lots of optional objectives
An active pmom fight
more than 1 reactor

[real moss]

I just hope we make it to the ship

[royal lichen]

the inner, and the creatures within

[hexed vapor]

Double E-tier in R8 would be nice.

[deft kiln]

Huge patch

[hidden crater]

Worst patch ever! Asked to leave gtfo server

[hexed vapor]

Having at least a few hard objectives/levels and a few interesting objectives/levels is the most important thing, though.

[prisma zodiac]

When people mald about the devs taking vacation over christmas

so when is your next work day? on the 26th?

[hidden crater]

Devs aren't humans

[prisma zodiac]

i mean we know that thats true

since calle isnt human

[hidden crater]

They're robots without any rights outside if game development

[prisma zodiac]

No human has a beard that glorious

[hidden crater]

Exactly

[past bough]

every level being e tier

[hidden crater]

Lf2m r8e10

[broken scarab]

No

I'm off 23rd-2nd of Jan. But if I know myself I'll checkin daily

[atomic escarp]

hard working man, hats off to you sir

[broken scarab]

Working enough, not to much 🙂

[hidden crater]

Overworking yourself 🤓
Self care and taking breaks

[pliant pasture]

yes

i hope they get better tbh, i am very comfy waiting

[broken scarab]

The games industry has a serious problem with that

[hidden crater]

Yeah, even as someone who knows painfully little of game development I at least know there's too much of things like that

Glad you're at least taking a break, be it big or small

[broken scarab]

10C is very focused on the job/life balance

[hidden crater]

Very happy about that :), especially as someone who enjoys this game, I think it'd benefit a lot from devs who aren't overworked

[wary olive]

Yo this patch is huge now I can go farm boosters more efficiently

[real moss]

tbf I took 20 th till 2nd vacation as well. so can't really blame em

If your job gives you the room to do so .....

[wary olive]

Also who's malding about the devs taking vacation over Christmas?

[pliant pasture]

assholes, generally

maybe strawmen tbh

[hidden crater]

People with underdeveloped basic empathy typically gained naturally as you grow beyond the age of 5

I.e. literally comparable to children

[wary olive]

Is anyone doing that here?

[hidden crater]

Likely

[pliant pasture]

hmmmm there are vague complaints about too many vacations in the rest of the year, but no complaints about the holidays specifically

even the strawmen don't fuck with Christmas it seems

[hidden crater]

You don't fuck with holiday vacation.

You just dont

[deft kiln]

I mean I do but they should have a vacation

[pliant pasture]

hmmm i would fuck with the consumerist and overly christianized holiday

but i would not fuck with people's vacations, even in other parts of the year

[wary olive]

It's almost like trying to dismiss people with legitimate qualms about their work pace and vacation cadence by attributing an unreasonable complaint that no one has even made

[broken scarab]

Happy people make better games

[hidden crater]

Yes

[pliant pasture]

the complaints about their vacations are an (almost) year round* cadence

i apologize if my irritation with them is still echoing in my head

[wary olive]

Wdym?

[pliant pasture]

like, it comes up in the chats of people complaining about their production cycle and following up with a jab about their vacation time comes up regularly

thats my context

[hidden crater]

It's always valid to show disapproval with people who shun breaks

[wary olive]

I agree. If you shun me for taking a 3 hr gtfo break after doing 15 minutes of algebra homework I'm going to shun you

🤬

[hidden crater]

[broken scarab]

There is even a law in Sweden about the right to have 4 weeks of consecutive vacatation in the summer. Which means that a company with 90 people can have at least one third of the work force away during June to August.

[wary olive]

Yeah it's more about the frequentness of it though, not that it's over the holidays

[hidden crater]

Oh yeah I forgot 10c is in Sweden, that's cool since I'm from norway

[pliant pasture]

mhmm, it hasn't come up in a few weeks. But my irritation with it hasn't faded, so it was still echoing in my head

[wary olive]

Also it's frequentness of vacations + work output

If they were releasing content/fixes at a faster pace less people would have complaints, though some undeniably still would

[broken scarab]

Summer and Christmas are the big ones, but parents often try to be off when the kids have school holidays (which happens 1-2 times per semester)

Adding to that the 480 days that parents gets when a child is born.

[daring pilot]

Good thing my mom’s a teacher, she gets holidays off at the same time

[daring pilot]

Woah

[hidden crater]

I exploit Sweden of their certain very cheap wares from time to time

[broken scarab]

You’ll never get rid of the vocal minority

[broken scarab]

Cheap wares?

[hidden crater]

Like candy

[wary olive]

Meatballs

[daring pilot]

Honestly, i was surprised in a really good way at the gap between ALT 1-2

[pliant pasture]

the fish

[broken scarab]

Candy is pretty cheap, around 10 EUR per kilo

[broken scarab]

Nice to hear!

[prisma zodiac]

i could send picks. But that would require taking out the names

didnt see it here yet, but that wasnt the point

[pliant pasture]

wait, a kilo gram or a kiloton?? 👀

[broken scarab]

Haha, kilogram.

[daring pilot]

I had expected 2 months at least, and y’all hit us with the 1 1/2 month gap

[pliant pasture]

yup, i have seen it, but not worth the work of recipting them

[broken scarab]

R3 will be longer, due to Holidays and such

[prisma zodiac]

Wait does that mean i can possibly get you for january ?

also. Appearantly R2E1 only spawns 1 fog turbine since the patch

Ill redrop a few times to confirm in a bit. But if yes then thats a pretty unfortunate change/bug @broken scarab

[broken scarab]

Hoping to get some speedrunning! @olive oasis was interested as well

[prisma zodiac]

[broken scarab]

Oh, please do

[prisma zodiac]

the more the merrier

[wary olive]

Shotgun swap fix when....

[prisma zodiac]

ill just shower real quick. Its cold and i was out a lot

[wary olive]

💀

🙏 🧘‍♂️

[real moss]

Europe privilege 😏

[broken scarab]

Yea, especially Scandinavia from what I understand

[real moss]

Probably we don't get 480 days for a Child

only like 13 weeks

But compared to the 0 from someplaces ........

[prisma zodiac]

@broken scarab ok i checked
either the people that told me they didnt have one were just not able to use a terminal. Or its an inconsistent thing. Id bet on the first

[real moss]

R2E1 and can't read a terminal. 😭

this community is f'd 😔

[hidden crater]

You need level 3 hacking to use a terminal

[broken scarab]

Haha!

[prisma zodiac]

guess who it was

[broken scarab]

Thanks!

[prisma zodiac]

no worries. i always like to double check

especially cuz it would impact our r2e1 speedruns

[real moss]

DM me

I have the feeling I know this person

[hidden crater]

I bet its that fucker greg

[broken scarab]

Always scary to patch so close to a holiday, so good it wasnt faulty

[obtuse surge]

hi

[plush basin]

It's not me!

[real moss]

I know who it was 👍 and yes you are safe 😏

[half hornet]

Invisibles suck big ass

I love missing 75% of my HCP shots

[royal lichen]

only 75%? wow u a pro 🙂

[kind swan]

25% is into teammates

[fallow wasp]

I remember I was in a level and a friend used HCP to kill the single shadow left in the room. I will never let them live that down because they said a few minutes prior that they wanted to save ammo

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

What's even more infuriating that conditions were perfect to get some amazing shots of pleasure into my serotonin receptors: we funnelled them into a single path that can barely support 2 of them side by side.
They are like 5-10m close, i take a shot based on sound: MISS
I take another shot based on sound: MISS
Okay now there's clearly multiple of them in front of us and approaching.
I take a hipfire shot because might as well: MISS
I take another hipfire shot as they are literally 2 steps away from me: MISS
Honestly i don't even remember what happened to 5th and 6th shots after that because i was seething with rage

I feel like that one soldier from XCOM who keeps missing his 80% shotgun shots.

[wary olive]

[atomic escarp]

Rhymes with satisfaction and aoe 2 farm exhaustion sound

[nocturne flax]

Do you guys think alt r3 gonna bring rifle back?

[atomic escarp]

It better

[prisma zodiac]

pro tip. activate flashlight -> easy kills

[obtuse surge]

[real moss]

will it bring back the will to live?

[pliant pasture]

[nocturne flax]

Rifle got yeeted from the game files

[pliant pasture]

would they have to build it from scratch?

[nocturne flax]

Pretty much

Not that big of a deal

But i would love to have kong range pistol

[burnt goblet]

10c really knocked it out of the park with their weapon names

"I'm gonna run the rifle"

"Oh cool, which rifle?"

"The rifle"

[nocturne flax]

I mean

Nobody saya im gonna bring rifle (refering to pr)

Rifle its the only rifle named in game

[atomic escarp]

If only they had names 😩
10cc wtf u doing get on it

[daring pilot]

Rifle looks like a really cool weapon

I’d love to use it

[burnt goblet]

A "friend" of the dmr
Which they ended up doing...stuff, and that's how the dtr was made

[obtuse surge]

[nocturne flax]

[nocturne flax]

Straight up long range pistol

It was fun

[errant vigil]

Burst cancel but balanced

[nocturne flax]

Burst canon gonna get buff

30 damage each shot

[obtuse surge]

the one burst on giants

[nocturne flax]

Please nerf that shit

19.8 damage

Listen to common sense

[errant vigil]

carbine and BC/Hel gun meta inc

R4 boomers love burst cancel

[nocturne flax]

@obtuse surge keep coping

[obtuse surge]

if it has less than 20 damage it will just be another noob trap

[mortal granite]

easy troll

[nocturne flax]

My reaccion to that missinformation

[nocturne flax]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-chicken-gif-26197609

[crystal oriole]

Man I hope the rifle returns. It was very fun to use and I loved the scope.

[fallow wasp]

I would love to change scopes on weapons

Iron sights just feel best to me in this game

[twin dirge]

technically it is possible

but doubt the vanilla game will allow it

[broken scarab]

The plan is to bring back Rundown specific weapons with every ALT rundown

[velvet flower]

Feels like weapons should stay just like expeditions

[nocturne flax]

Dev confirmed i can die in peace now

[boreal tendon]

they will also add helgun and helrifle with r5 balancing

[nocturne flax]

We'll see

hopefully they'll care and just rever them to their r3 state

exept hel rifle

but still nerf

[hidden crater]

They should add a 10 chambered revolver

It'd be fun

[obtuse surge]

buff hel revo to 10 clip

[past bough]

buff mastera to 10 shots

it's the superior revolver

[errant vigil]

Buff PR to 10 mag

[past bough]

make every gun useful in it's own way

[nocturne flax]

20 damage

[errant vigil]

🤡

Make everything BC easy great game

[twin dirge]

keeps making the game easier
"vote for us for hardest game in the award show"

[mortal granite]

technically, game you suck at

gonna give credit where credit is due

[burnt goblet]

It's gonna lose to Apex again, watch

[upbeat rover]

Friend and I entered R2C1, the scout in the first zone spawned in the first room immediately in front of us when we dropped. Never had that happen before

[inland crater]

get used to it

[mortal granite]

it's RNG

[hallow owl]

Merry Christmas

[mortal granite]

merry xmas

[warped flint]

I really wish someone told me about the end of R7C3...

[fair fern]

?

whats wrong

[half hornet]

What about it

[warped flint]

got to the end with my friend as a duo and then bam fucking tank and snatcher at the same time

[half hornet]

Unlucky

Shouldn't be at the same time

[warped flint]

literally at 50% on the extract scan we get a fucking tank and snatcher so we wipe

[half hornet]

But I guess it's possible?

[fair fern]

1 man need to sacrifice to buy enough time

[warped flint]

you'd have to focus down on the snatcher really hard and then split up on the catwalks to deal wityh the tank

[half hornet]

Catwalks?

Wait am I hallucinating

[warped flint]

mind you we had 2 bots so we couldn't split up completely

[half hornet]

What catwalks? In C3?

[warped flint]

the catwalks on the side of the extract room

[fair fern]

uhmmm

[warped flint]

little elevated placed with the barriers

[fair fern]

u dont need to kill them

[half hornet]

Ah, found the problem

[fair fern]

just pull them away

[warped flint]

bro we still could have done it, if we had expected a fucking tank to spawn lmao

[fair fern]

let 2 bots stay at the extraction and 1 man will sacrifice

[warped flint]

what if the tank aggros on the extract scan team?

[fair fern]

usually nope

[half hornet]

The tank is always there yes, but I played that missions like 5 times and I never seen tank-snatcher tag team

You got really unlucky

[fair fern]

the tank mechanic is almost the same to pablo

[warped flint]

who tf is pablo and why does he work like a tank

[half hornet]

I don't think he knows who that is

Spoilers much?

[fair fern]

if i remember correctly

[warped flint]

idrc about the lore

[fair fern]

do u mind a spoiler on pablo

[half hornet]

Mechanical spoiler, not lore

A little curved ball from the devs

[warped flint]

is it the "special enemy" from E1?

[fair fern]

its more of a gameplay spoil

[fair fern]

he is not enemy

[half hornet]

Yes that's the one

[fair fern]

he is friend

[warped flint]

and why do you call him pablo lmfao

[half hornet]

Don't ask me

[fair fern]

and he love to lick u

[half hornet]

It's a local meme basically

[fair fern]

until the end of the world

[half hornet]

Locals have no respect for enemy naming conventions

As represented by "striker"

When they literally never strike, only bite

[fair fern]

invincible tank is too long

[half hornet]

Just Immortal is enough

Gets the point across

[fair fern]

hmm

good point

[half hornet]

As opposed to sexy Mexican dude named pablo

[warped flint]

I know that the tank can only face on direction but he turns around every so often to face the other players so how in the world can you manage to make it follow only one dude?

and like

gently escort him out of the scan room

[half hornet]

He follow the last person who shot him

Take a shot, run away

[fair fern]

he would go for the NEAREST in HIS LINE OF SIGHT, but he would priotize the guy that shoot him

a bit annoying to deal with

[warped flint]

ah

well thankies mcspankies for this useful bit of info

[fair fern]

its not that hard to deal with r7c3

[half hornet]

Enjoy your sodium chloride

[fair fern]

but i remember there are only 1 snatcher

in r7c3

maybe my teammate pull him, but if u kill the snatcher in the full zone alarm scan, there shouldn't be any more snatcher

[inland crater]

[warped flint]

there were more than just one snatcher, during the 20 minutes of waves we killed like 3

on top of the one that spawned with the tank

[hexed vapor]

It depends on when you do the uplink.

Uplinks delete all ongoing waves.

[obtuse surge]

WHERE ARE THE RED GLLOWSTICK

[hexed vapor]

There will be no Christmas in the complex 😔

[pliant pasture]

[fair fern]

The warden hate us

And he hate christmas

Soo yea

No christmas decoration and no red glow stick

[half hornet]

I didn't know that Calle witnout a hat is so cursed

[wary olive]

@pliant pasture 😦

[pliant pasture]

Thats not fair 😢

[past bough]

t!ties

[atomic escarp]

TlTlES

[pliant pasture]

TaTa's

[kind swan]

badonkadonks

[obtuse surge]

[pliant pasture]

lol so maybe its a host+shooter bug thing, but we can create immunity to mines consistently now

also just played with the second ||bad player|| in my life, god its so fun

[royal lichen]

7msg wheat surprise, the first one was me in disguise, also

oops

[broken scarab]

What hat?

[fringe surge]

is there an optimal tool loadout for r2 e1

[prisma zodiac]

well.. yes?

its probably arguable what exactly it is. So other people correct me on this if need be

These 2 are pretty omnipresent
Biotracker
Mine deployer

Then either cfoam + burst sentry or 2 burst sentries depending on how you wanna hold. I personally prefer cfoam

[royal lichen]

hel weaponry might be good for them long column of triangles.. before they "line up" 😄

[atomic escarp]

Mine deployer? Meh

Surges left n right

Shotgun sentry does well with bio symbiosis

[real moss]

bruv

Since when you went off the deep end?

[atomic escarp]

These people with guns took me to a dark mine and told me to work, idk what else to do

[real moss]

This is why I quit GTFO

[atomic escarp]

I didnt try shotgun sentry too much, but I've had too many istances when it just freaks out and ends up spamming bullets into nothing

[real moss]

cause it's trash

[atomic escarp]

Might aswell just bring a sniper and be done with it

It won't when enemies constantly spawning

https://tenor.com/view/taps-head-tapping-think-black-guy-meme-gif-13992922

[paper harness]

Shotgun sentry is legit worse than old r2 mines

[atomic escarp]

Hater

[hexed vapor]

Shotgun sentry is very good at dumping all of its ammo, but it doesn't necessarily get much value with that ammo.

Even in an ideal situation, it's just okay.

[mortal granite]

should tool be "just okay" or just overwhelming positive like right now

[hexed vapor]

Non-ideal for shotgun sentry means it spent 80% capacity and killed 2 enemies.

So it would be nice it were a bit stronger, yeah.

[mortal granite]

it just my opinion but

i like tool when they are "just ok"

everything feel so good

[hexed vapor]

Maybe you're missing the word "ideal."

But shotgun sentry is not "just ok" in most circumstances.

They could nerf both other sentries (and tbh they should) and it wouldn't make shotgun sentry any more appealing.

[mortal granite]

i wonder putting it up high force it to shoot below head

[nocturne flax]

Bad yuyu

We should fix its aiming instead

And return it to its old self

Maybe bump the damage from 15 to 21

The only tool that should be "rework" its foam

Make permafoaming less safe

So it doesnt feel as brainless

Rework how door health works

[hexed vapor]

Eh, I go back and forth on whether or not sentries are too strong.

On some levels, like R1C1, it feels like it's hard to get bullets in edgewise.

On other levels, R7D2 and maybe a bit R2D2, there's actually enough enemies that shooting is important.

[nocturne flax]

Well you comparing a intro to reactor on the intro rundown vs the slight jump in enemy density of the following ones

I would say sentries are fine as they are currently since the game its not really what it used to be

Eeh i could probably say just remove symbio from all sentries when it comes to nerfing them

[hexed vapor]

Or just rework symbio a bit, but w/e works.

[nocturne flax]

Or that

[hexed vapor]

Pretty sure I've already said in convo with you, but pick one sentry to gain efficiency and pick one sentry to gain RoF.

[nocturne flax]

I dont really see sentries that way if it makes any sense

I kinda default into what enies show in a level

If i get chargers u go for sniper sentry even if its a more cqc map

Burst if i know theres gonna be strikers galore

[nocturne flax]

But to answer the question
Sniper for efficiency
Burst for rof

[hexed vapor]

Interesting, I guess it does make sense that shotgun sentry wouldn't be balanced for bio synergy...

Since it's the one you're most likely to want to place in an odd spot far away.

[nocturne flax]

If ss would center mass and be the way it was before it will be a slightly niche picks on maps that have tight entrances and doorways

Like i would gladly take ss if it was like that to r2e1, r5a2, etc etc

Instead of the wannabe fully auto ish thst it is now

Shiet r4e1 main would be perfect for that imo

Second d1 alarm just slap them on the ramps and it will woop ass on reactor entrance

[pliant pasture]

thank you for the wonderful time, feel free to troll me in the future, but lay off the new player next time

[prisma zodiac]

where you dont rly need an extra sentry. Meanwhile the mines make the blood doors a lot easier (and the first surge, aswell as both error surges and the error itself)

Shotgun sentrys just eat any tool you use

[atomic escarp]

the blood doors aint that bad there plenty of ammo to shoot em out and u can cfoam the door west of the first surge

and there isnt much after that where u can use mine deployer

u can bring shotgun or burst to help doing scans

[prisma zodiac]

mines are usually worth more. Cuz even in a surge wave there is a difference between a fully stacked spawn cap at once or a spawning in spawn cap

also holding off triggered rooms. The extra sentry rarely matters. Especially since it will also just respawn?

mines are way more applicable and lead to way less errors on blood doors

[pliant pasture]

if there is more than one blood door in a level, mines feel like they are a must

[prisma zodiac]

Obviously depends on circumstances

For example in r6d3pe duos we took mine + bio while others took sentry + bio

Sentry was banking on finding trip mines for the blood doors later on

[hexed vapor]

W8, are those blood doors actually worth taking mines for?

I feel like you could just shoot through it.

[prisma zodiac]

which ones?

the r6d3 ones?

Have fun shooting through the tank one solo in fog

With no bio

[hexed vapor]

Oh, if you have to solo tank then sure.

[atomic escarp]

fair but 4 people can hold a surge on their own so to bring mine just for that? id rather have a sentry

[prisma zodiac]

if 4 can hold a surge on their own. Why bring a 2nd or 3rd sentry instead of making other parts easier

[atomic escarp]

why bring mine 😏

[nocturne flax]

R2e1?

[atomic escarp]

yes

[pliant pasture]

no, bring your's 😏

[nocturne flax]

Do what eva said

You only really need 2

Why bring 3

1 bio 2 burst and 1 mine was my loadout when i beat it with my so

And that shit was with bots

4 man should have no issue with it

[prisma zodiac]

And yeah, if you exchange 1 sentry for cfoam then you can make any alarm of your choice noticeably easier for the cost of less firepower in the ones you dont use it

[nocturne flax]

Classic setup for the men

1 bio x3 sentry for the kids

[hexed vapor]

R6D3

[nocturne flax]

But the other guy said r2e1

D":

R6d3 was warden survival right?

[hexed vapor]

I assume they lost track of the convo.

But it was originalyl R6D3

D3 was reactor

Reactor, PIDs, Shutdown

[nocturne flax]

Oh d3 i only recall using only 1 sentry

1 sniper

Secind playtrough was 2 ss mine bio

Same thing really

I still wouldnt take a third sentry

[hexed vapor]

It was duo specifically.

Oh, there was an older convo actually

that they're refering to.

so nvm

[atomic escarp]

Originally was bout tool loadout for R2E1 then r6d3 was mentioned

[nocturne flax]

[prisma zodiac]

nvm you already realised

[half hornet]

R2D2 is a massive jump in difficulty compared to the rest of the rundown

Up to D1 most missions were like "Huh? That's it?" and even D1 didn't leave an imprint (although it did take proper 50 minutes i believe).
But D2... Suddenly i already have 2 wipes on record.

[prisma zodiac]

meh

[pliant pasture]

hmm D1 and D1 for R2 are pretty comprable, its just D1 doesn't have a time contraint. but the game already asked you to learn to go fast in R2C2

[velvet flower]

R2D2 is technically the first extension level

So it is expectable it has a gap with R2D1

[pliant pasture]

feels like a solid step up but not extreme

not like the jump from R7 tiers lol

R7B1 to R7C1 is huge if you don't do B3.

[prisma zodiac]

og r2d1 was way harder imo

but that was also because everything felt kinda shitty for it

[pliant pasture]

and R7D1 to D2 is pretty big

R2 feels pretty smooth tbh

[pliant pasture]

like the whole game felt shitty?

[atomic escarp]

U have to play the og one to understand

[velvet flower]

OG R2 got huge balance patch back then

[pliant pasture]

fair

[prisma zodiac]

is it?

[atomic escarp]

With the old mechanics, wpns...ect

[prisma zodiac]

some stuff was awfulish

but r2d1 was fog + spitter + giant spam. And a drag because guns were not good vs giants mostly and ammo was sparse

[velvet flower]

Still in OG r2d1 you have enough ammo to pull every giant

[prisma zodiac]

clear no to that

if you actually pulled and shot every giant then you would run out of ammo

[errant vigil]

Damn sounds the same to now

Shooting actually everything cause less ammo to remain

[prisma zodiac]

i never said you could pull all and everything rn

but guns against giants are far more reliable now

sniper in r2

also r2d1 being way worse in its side zones with fog and enemies

[pliant pasture]

it was for my group it really was, i still haven't brought them through R7C3 though

the difference between that D1 and D2 feels like planning trivialized D1 and makes it REAL easy. but D2 you need to know the plan before the level starts, and maintain performance the whole time. no breaks.

that was the first time that out group ran into that as R7 babies

[prisma zodiac]

i mean main i can understand

but overload for sure feels harder imo

[atomic escarp]

So time limit is where u set the bar?

[pliant pasture]

ohhh ya, not touched ovl with conviction yet

[atomic escarp]

For r2d2

Didn't you do that with DNA the other day?

[pliant pasture]

hmmm the bar? i think thats where it got introduced to us, and was a big step up from the rest of the rundown (main)

[pliant pasture]

i did! i have a handful of clear of R7D2 now, and i did the stealth for my team on our clear

i am not saying its unfair! no no no, just a big step up imo

[atomic escarp]

I like it when game gives me timers

[pliant pasture]

and honestly even R7C3 doesn't quite feel like a step up, but just a hard check.

its distinct in my mind , "same stuff, but harder conditions" is a step up.
but "you are comfortable stealthing giants, right? no? then go home." is a skill check. not a performance check? hmmm

[pliant pasture]

not a fan of timers, but they are good and fun though

same fun, just more stress for me

[prisma zodiac]

r7c3 rly is mostly a check on 3 things

can you stealth under no pressure?
can you stealth under some pressure?
can you mine doors?

[pliant pasture]

ya, its just R7D2, with 10-60 minutes of stealth before hand

and stealthing under pressure is kinda introduced in that level for that rundown, ya?

[atomic escarp]

Charger scouts zone?

[pliant pasture]

the charger scouts are just earlier, but ya

[atomic escarp]

U could just shoot the side zones for the code

[narrow gulch]

stealthings funner

I got my singular gtfo horror moment from that levele

stealthing between 3 bbcs in pitch black and I hear something skitter past me

[pliant pasture]

i just realized this a little while ago lol 😅

[prisma zodiac]

and tons of doors... and way less and smaller enemies until the end

[pliant pasture]

yes! for real. you use the mines for behind you instead of in front of you lol

[hexed vapor]

Tbh I hear people complaining a lot about the distribution bugfix/rework...

bug tbqh, I don't think it was actually that significant.

The main difference I see is that enemy density is just genuinely quite low in a lot of places.

Like, AltR2C1 has some p nutty rooms, and that's just because a lot of enemies spawn in zones like 204 and 207.

For some zones as well, I think it's because the guy doing Alt development is either removing a lot of RNG scouts or substituting in mono-scout groups.

R1 and R2 got a lot of enemies from RNG scout groups containing a lot of normal enemies, as well as mono-scout groups being rarely used and most zones getting a scout + enemies.

This also means that scouts will very often be placed in rooms by themselves as opposed to always spawning alongside other enemies, which means they're not very threatening if the zone itself isn't packed.

This happened in post-nerf R2C1, as well. You had normal groups + groups that can roll scouts, and when some of those scout groups were cut out it ended up cutting out enemies in general for the affected zones (mostly the first zone as far as I can/could tell).

[autumn pendant]

i do still see the rng for some lvls it feels like u either get scouts in really good spots or u have them all in the same room as they pace back n forth at inclined environments, so it's sort of like a 50/50 really

as for whether or not it's more or less threatening, all it really does for most ppl who r used to clearing those rooms is just requiring more patience and timing than usual

but then again for some of the rng i've seen it can be boring waiting minutes for the right moment especially if u get one where it's like walking back n forth with multiple giants stacked up close to where the room is almost guranteed to be alerted one way or another so it just ends up being a kill scout, run mine door and then clear normally or something

[kind swan]

iirc. Wasn't that last alarm in R2B1 originally a 12 scan?

[hexed vapor]

No, lmao. Class IX (9), though.

[kind swan]

hmm

I knew the class 9

but heard some stuff from people saying it was a 12 before the 9

and then now in Alt It's 7

[hexed vapor]

Possibly BH-only, but it was a 9 on release day.

[kind swan]

hmm

[hexed vapor]

It was nerfed during R2, along with C1, C2, and D1.

[kind swan]

rip

[hexed vapor]

This is why I shill so hard for pre-nerf.

R2 ain't that hard, pre-nerf is just more fun.

[kind swan]

:/

[autumn pendant]

samething just extra steps

[kind swan]

miss the original runs of them

I do miss rundown specific gear as well but that seems to be just thrown out the bag

[errant vigil]

They could just keep all the guns in the game but lock them if they weren't originally in the rundown you're playing

[hexed vapor]

Imo, the nerfs were bad for two big reasons.
-The nerfs more-or-less implied that players were incompetent (and tbf that was kind of true), while the content itself was largely unchanged.
-The nerfs made certain sections just easy enough that they didn't actually test player skill, you could just blitz past things.

The second point is what I find most annoying, because this happened to a lot of alarms.

[kind swan]

yep

[errant vigil]

R2B1 Class 9
Pubs permacheese two scans longer

[kind swan]

:/

[autumn pendant]

well what do u mean by player skill? because for my perspective i think this game is a very low skill lvl most of the mechanics and even niche things can be learned within a few hours the diff to me comes from not knowing anything about the levels ur doing kinda like when everyone 1st attempted r7e1 u know that 1st attempt was gonna be a definite wipe

[nocturne flax]

Hes refering to "at the time"

we were incompetent and we barely have a grasp on how this game was suppose to be played

it was a product of its time

[autumn pendant]

that's the other part i wonder even if they did change it to pre nerf stuff since most of the ppl that want that have already beaten those lvls would it really make any difference at least for them? for newer players probably

[hexed vapor]

-Class IX -> VII, you don't have to have nearly as much longevity to survive, especially when the later scan sets were when you were most likely to run out of defenses.
-R2C1 shadow alarm from V -> III, you have to deal with shadows to do scans -> you rush scans and then clear the wave.
-R2C2 fog alarm from III -> II, goes from needing to survive in the fog to being able to rush down scans and open 115 to escape immediately.
-R2D1 gen cluster from VI -> V + fog rises more slowly, so you spend very little time in full fog if you're actively scanning.

Just in general, cutting off a few scans did a lot to make sure players didn't have to actually be pressured by the threats those levels wanted you to deal with, you could just get scans done quickly and, even if you were woefully inadequate, you could turn those engagements into far more "normal" fights.

[autumn pendant]

so for this, i can sorta see the Class IX -> VII but that would have to depend i guess on lvl and how much resources they give u, shadow alarm is honestly still the same just u have to spend slightly more resources like the strat is still same, term, bio, shoot. R2C2 Fog one i'll give u that that one i can get behind, R2D1 fun map, again i just don't see much change cause if u survived 5 waves and have enough resources which u should then really what's one more wave in fog when they already give u repellers and disinfect area right next to it. that's just my take tho u could change it all to that it's just what i said before samething just extra steps

[deft kiln]

The class 9 —— 7 feels really bad when I set up doors outside the base area

[autumn pendant]

actually u could probably just melee the shadow waves in all honesty so whether it's alarm 3 or 6 or whatever as long as the density remains the same the challenge isn't all that different

[velvet flower]

R2C1 has more nerfs than just the shadow alarm. Scouts in first zone and terminal difficulty also reduced iir

[hexed vapor]

For shadows, it's more that it introduced more chaos. You either split the team, especially bio for tags, or are able to defend on scans, vs. having time to reposition or retreat when enemies actually reach you. Hammering the waves is especially a lot harder if you need to clear fast enough to scan, not to mention shadows in R2 spawned in larger numbers and moved at full speed. Also, if 2 people are hammer kiting, chances are the change isn't something that'd effect you, you can handle an extra 2 classes no problem.

R2D1, it's the difference between full fog at around scan 4 vs. barely full fog by scan 5. Instead of being something you have to spend time in and fight in, it's mostly just a normal alarm.

Also, just in general, small reductions in alarm class can change your need to deal with enemies pretty significantly. 1 class != 1 wave, going from III to V might be doubling the waves you have to deal with.

[atomic escarp]

I never played the original R2, that said I dont think MOST of the changes you guys mentioned would have a big impact over clearing time, really

Supposedly, guns are stronger, mines are stronger, people know more mechanics, boosters exist

[atomic escarp]

To be fair, for every map I did in Alt R2 I can think of an harder one of the same category

Maybe some groups that really dislike error would prefer R4C2 main to Alt R2C2 main (and I say this knowing that I'm not fond of error alarms either)

And R4 didn't have boosters nor pumped up mines IIRC

Let's say that I get the feeling that most people really miss how R4-R5 were and are a bit dejected at the "easier" direction the game took afterwards

[real moss]

I think you mean R4B2. R4C2 has no error (except ovl ending)

[real moss]

yes this I agree

[atomic escarp]

I meant comparing a C2 with an error to another one that didn't have an error

[real moss]

mb. altho R4C2 is WAY longer than R2C2.

so I dunno what people would prefer

short + error or long + no error

But I've only ever done R4C2PE so my view on that level might be distorted due to that

[atomic escarp]

R4C2 main ain't that long IMHO

[real moss]

thats why the disclaimer 🙂

[atomic escarp]

It's... what? 1 blood door, 2-3 alarms, some scouts and a sleeping mother

I really loved that map and I still can't understand why

It just felt organic

[real moss]

its one of the puzzle ones/ those tend to be the best. choose what you do at what time

[atomic escarp]

Yeah it's probably that

[real moss]

just like R2D1 is as well.

and R1B1

[atomic escarp]

Some maps really feel like a corridor sometimes

[real moss]

R6D2 was good for the same reason

[atomic escarp]

Ah yes

[real moss]

basically choices

[atomic escarp]

Shame there aren't more maps like that

[real moss]

even if after a couple runs you'll only do the most optimal route every time :/

[real moss]

yeah those tend to be the best

[prisma zodiac]

unironically my fav level or alt r1 with how it is designed (for r1 standards)

[real moss]

not of R1 ? it's basically unchanged

[prisma zodiac]

this level is unironically great. Since the planning could change on what the goal was

full mom rushing ftw

[real moss]

and same btw.

R1B1 the best designed map in R1

[prisma zodiac]

i mean og r1 is far worse gameplay wise but imo r1a1 of old had superb atmosphere

you wouldnt believe how much time i spent theorizing the quickest route for r1b1 and tested stuff for it

[real moss]

fair enough. but that atmosphere kinda transfered over to R1B1 as well/ it was just BIGGER

and yes we lost atmosphere when goin over on ALt

Its less noticeable in R2 imo. but Alt R2 is nerfed harder

[nocturne flax]

What lighting changes does to a mf

We lost shittier darker atmosphere for more cool accurate lights

😔

[real moss]

I cry evrytym

[obtuse surge]

what if the objective TURN OFF THE LIGHGT

[pliant pasture]

👀

[real moss]

such a twist. much wow

[wraith river]

Its possible to spear a sleeper from underneath it! https://youtu.be/5KebjCveENE?t=270

[real moss]

sadly still the worse melee 😦

[prisma zodiac]

doable with all melees. Tho hammer and spear will be the easiest to do it with

[wraith river]

oh no doubt its still not the best, but still interesting!

[real moss]

aaaaaaand there goes another potential + for spear

[past bough]

this makes spear superior

[pliant pasture]

All!
Hail!
Spear!
All!
Hail!
Spear!

[raven flare]

spear just build better

[half hornet]

Me using spear: "I wish i could sprint"
Me using baton: "I wish i had range"
Me using knife: "I wish i had damage... and range"
Me using hammer: "I wish i wasn't using something OP... and range"

[real moss]

just keep the hammer artek. you're doin great !

[half hornet]

no

its been 2 months since i used it

it'll stay that way until they improve the visuals

[real moss]

I miss old hammer skins too

[winter wharf]

hammer skins and occiput kills 🧡

[errant vigil]

GTFO boomer detected

[nocturne flax]

BOOMER DETECTED BOOMEER DETECTED

🚓

[atomic escarp]

Peepee poopoo are here, everyone hide

[deft kiln]

cool tech you can do this on way more floors. even some fully solid ones/ through walls

[vast beacon]

[hallow owl]

2023

[hidden crater]

2024

[hallow owl]

?

[twin dirge]

2025

[fallow wasp]

Hamburger

I hope r8 has a lot of scouts

R8a2 better have exclusively scouts outside of alarm doors

[errant vigil]

No A, B, or C tier on R8

[past bough]

every level is an e tier

[velvet flower]

If they introduced a new mechanism like infectious fog in R2, respawn zone in R5...etc, I wouldn't mind one A/B tier level. Hope no more than that.

[fringe surge]

Inb4 I accidentally cause an argument but um
R2 E1 seemed easier than r7 e1 for me

Is that actually the case or is it just me?

Because theres so much ammo available

[half hornet]

Hard to say.

[prisma zodiac]

different types of difficulty

generally id argue they are pretty similar

[half hornet]

R7's main gimmick is solved very easily and the planetside bit can be skiped via a nasty exploit.

Also CFOAM is fucking OP on that level and skips like first half of it.

[prisma zodiac]

r7e1 is ressource tight
r2e1 throws surge after surge at you and the ending forces you to not be too slow

[fringe surge]

You can skip the planet side

Tf

How

[prisma zodiac]

parcour

[fringe surge]

Wow

Ok

[prisma zodiac]

also you can perma foam the room before it

[half hornet]

You can climb onto one of the crystals

And monsters cant reach you there

[prisma zodiac]

its kind of cheap

[atomic escarp]

Or the shed

[prisma zodiac]

but some people do it

[fringe surge]

Ah
I thought you meant just skipped that portion entirely

[half hornet]

Not that broken yet

[atomic escarp]

Basically the same

[fringe surge]

I've done it with and without cheese ;p

[prisma zodiac]

@fringe surge i mean you can but thats either incredibly hard or needs you to glitch smth

[fringe surge]

Interesting

[prisma zodiac]

its in the lawless speedrun of r7e1

[half hornet]

By "skips" i mean removes the need to hard tooth and nails with the monsters

[prisma zodiac]

a quick 15-16 min run

[fringe surge]

But yes
The surges werent too bad
Sometimes it feels like rng had our names

The scans were either close by or so far apart

[half hornet]

I've seen R2E1 and honestly the ending is kinda cringe

[prisma zodiac]

its kinda freaking awesome

[fringe surge]

The class 3 surge is so much easier than any class 4

[half hornet]

I have no idea how you do that. Perfect execution, never stopping, having perfect 100% tight plan of actons?

[fringe surge]

And it isnt as punishing for anyone dying

[prisma zodiac]

just shoot well and dont take too much time

[fringe surge]

Not really
We just fucking bumbled out way into evac after 8 hours

[half hornet]

You stop for a minute and suddenly you have 40% less health and ammo

[prisma zodiac]

if someone goes down in a surge then you are on the ropes immediatly

[fringe surge]

2 of us got downed in the last surge