dont bring your dumbass with you next time
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
atomic escarp
normal rampart
Why was D1 broken?
burnt goblet
Gotta love levels being broke
Host could only see alarm scans, enemy pathing was broke and there was no sound at all in d1 once 4/5 cells were in
high valley
Finally got the clear!
daring pilot
Host could only see alarm scans, enemy pathing was broke and there was no sound ...
my sound started breaking down at 2, certain sounds would disappear and come back intermittently
it all died about 5 minutes after 3rd cell
hallow lark
Gtfo is a perfect game with no bugs whatsoever
GTFO is a perfect game for deaf players XD
past bough
gtfo is a perfect game for people with no patience and adhd
inland crater
nooooooooooo he revealed my medical information that was supposed to be privileged info
why is my care provider doing this to me
royal lichen
your enemies want you to think that you're paranoid, dw
hallow lark
your enemies want you to think that you're paranoid, dw
Lol! Or some just wants to cause a little trouble that often ends with “Bang Bang”
deft kiln
i think adding more rundowns be making shooter bug worse. this means we get fix soon?
past bough
what shooter bug?
deft kiln
unfo
deft kiln
Just use ur 6th sense and dodge it
you right that is definitely my issue with shooter bug
obtuse surge
the player can CHOOSE not to abuse the bug by still dodging anyway
its fair
not prioreity
10C mindset
deft kiln
i mean true
@obtuse surge how do you feel about alt r2. i had fun running through the b levels. and r2e1 pretty fun a tad easy
past bough
i got carried in r2e1
deft kiln
it happens did you cp tho
past bough
yes
deft kiln
nice
past bough
but no hackett mask
deft kiln
D:
past bough
i got his pants tho
rough cut is cool
nocturne flax
<@323890009696370688> how do you feel about alt r2. i had fun running through t...
He feels goofy
past bough
all i need is his mask and his color palette and i have hackett's set
deft kiln
He feels goofy
o tree of wisdom. thank you for your wisdom
past bough
for dauda i just need his shirt (not the camouflage version) and mask
obtuse surge
some minor goofy moments
deft kiln
i do be loving goofy moments
past bough
and for woods i just need his color palette
tho onyx corruption is literally nautical dusk but without green
obtuse surge
<@323890009696370688> how do you feel about alt r2. i had fun running through t...
i want NEW levels 
nocturne flax
some minor goofy moments
Lies
deft kiln
you have to let the one guy working on gtfo to learn how to make levels
they will learn
past bough
bishop's set is the only set i have complete
I also got carried on d2 and because i was bishop in his set i literally felt like a bot 😭
i was just a bot named "Zoxiry"
obtuse surge
well deserved
past bough
bru 💀
paper harness
I feel like there's still a bit too much resources on R2E1, considering how many times we goofed throughout the level, we still had pretty much enough resources to clear it pretty comfortably
past bough
yeah i can see that
i wasnt expecting to use resources on myself and the team just because we had too much to carry
on an e1 level
that was "supposedly" harder than r7e1
maybe its just that i had competent teammates but my e1 completion was on my second ever game of it
final mountain
bishop's set is the only set i have complete
what is bishop's set?
past bough
what is bishop's set?
Visor Probo Mark I (Or Bishop's Mask) - Helmet
KDS Spartan Vest Model I - Torso
Cargo Composite - Legs
Utility Natural Pioneer - Backpack
Beryl Restrained - Palette
looks like this
wary olive
🗿
past bough
i cant be the only one bothered that the bottom part of these backpacks aren't connected right..?
hexed vapor
I feel like there's still a bit too much resources on R2E1, considering how many...
Tbh I think they're just staying true to the OG.
And the OG had way too much.
Kiting was a big reason for that, but it turns out the surge alarms actually don't cost that much to clear.
hexed vapor
Helped blue get around, very important.
final mountain
i cant be the only one bothered that the bottom part of these backpacks aren't c...
Definitely not
past bough
perhaps so
just kinda found it funny how you and bread couldnt even get infection cuz of boosters
hexed vapor
Boosters were a mistake.
grizzled ravine
Nah. Just needed more time in the think tank.
past bough
Boosters were a mistake.
especially with the booster farm mod
essentially gtfo on easy mode
to an extent...
deft kiln
Boosters were a mistake.
boosters made the game funny
past bough
r2 is called infection yet boosters can make infectious fog look non-existent 💀
i used a 92% infection resist booster on a level that didnt even have infectious fog
hexed vapor
PepeLaugh.
Well, I am out of detox, so I'll have to play normally (until I get another one).
But tbh it's mostly just inconvenient.
past bough
gas masks must be really shit if they cant filter out the infectious fog
but looking at their design im surprised they even work at all
nocturne flax
Boosters were a mistake.
I woulda love more if they invested their time on a perk system like cod4
they woulda had more control on how broken shit woulda been
intead of % and rng
hexed vapor
Tbf, it's their fault that the upper bound for RNG lets you get ridiculous stuff.
And then you have breakpoint interactions like the Designated Marksman Revolver.
paper harness
I don't even think that there was that much resources in the original r2
but I could be wrong, I could have just missed a lot of the resources in my original playthroughs
and I also think that hel shotgun is insanely broken in surges
we pretty much had 2 people holding the entire surge wave with 2 hel shotguns
nocturne flax
I don't even think that there was that much resources in the original r2
There was
hexed vapor
There was enough that you could intentionally pull and shoot most enemies and still come out with full everything + packs to spare.
I remember complaining a lot at the time about how wack the balancing was for the pre-error section.
paper harness
yeah the pre-error section was the only part where resources were remotely tight
but even then, it was pretty manageable even with multiple pretty big fuck ups
hexed vapor
and I also think that hel shotgun is insanely broken in surges
Proving the haters wrong, at last.
nocturne flax
yeah the pre-error section was the only part where resources were remotely tight
Its like that was the whole point
1 surge drains all resources, scout zone with 2 uses of stuff
then you slowly rise on resources while stealthing shadow giants
its all part of the design of the level
ramping up the resources as you ramp up the action
paper harness
but the new surge didn't even drain all of the resources because of the fact that hel shotgun could pretty much duo hold a surge pretty comfortably
nocturne flax
im talking about the og one
paper harness
ah yeah
nocturne flax
new one you could slap 2 burst sentries and be done with it
tools are actually good now
paper harness
it might have just felt like having more resources because of the fact that the new guns and tools are just better
grizzled ravine
Sounding like you miss shotgun sentry that fires all its clip into the ground.
paper harness
isn't that just r7 shotgun sentry anyway
fires 3 shots at a small striker and can't kill it
grizzled ravine
Nah, they shoot the walls now LMFAO
nocturne flax
i mean if if we had 2 combat shotguns in OG e1
i woudla been laughing straight to the bank
we got hella variety
paper harness
also true
grizzled ravine
I miss OG combat shotty. I wanna play the frame game.
nocturne flax
most vanilla guns didnt got overwhelming buff for it to matter
tools on the other hand actually got buffed to be useful
specially with burst sentry
and cfoam
paper harness
the tracking buff was pretty big
nocturne flax
and mine..............
grizzled ravine
Never was a mine player to know how ass it was.
nocturne flax
it was hella ass
paper harness
imagine if you were satisfied if a mine killed more than 3 enemies
that's how mines were back then
nocturne flax
imagine if you were satisfied if a mine killed more than 3 enemies
oh shit we killed 6!!!
paper harness
nice!!!!
nocturne flax
6 mines on small door
hexed vapor
i struggle to understand how r2e1 is harder than r7e1
R7E1 has a lot of pitfalls for inexperienced players, but for experienced players it's just not really that bad.
Also, different skill-sets tbh.
grizzled ravine
You can shoot in R2E1.
paper harness
i struggle to understand how r2e1 is harder than r7e1
because pubs don't know how to aim and shoot
grizzled ravine
Don't gotta do some bs hammering stunt since people miss.
hexed vapor
R7E1 is very high pressure for its length, which some people can handle very well without much issue.
paper harness
and there are an overwhelming number of cheeses that you can do for r7e1 to make it extremely easy
nocturne flax
And then you have breakpoint interactions like the Designated Marksman Revolver.
Probably the only positive side of boosters
you can hit breakpoints with it
grizzled ravine
Too many cheese for R7E1
nocturne flax
have old hcp
past bough
well from my 2 games of r2e1 it seems like you can "fuck up" multiple times and still win just fine
nocturne flax
15 damage revo
past bough
where as in r7e1 you make one mistake and its a wipe unless you use a cheese spot
grizzled ravine
Play R2E1 without Bread.
hexed vapor
In my defense though
nocturne flax
Special damage booster opens many fun playstyles
paper harness
well from my 2 games of r2e1 it seems like you can "fuck up" multiple times and ...
stop getting carried
hexed vapor
I have always said that R2E1 is way easier than people remember.
paper harness
you're welcome
grizzled ravine
That's not winning then
past bough
we were close
paper harness
bread issue
pulsar zodiac
playing R2E1 with R7 super buffed sentry:
nocturne flax
I have always said that R2E1 is way easier than people remember.
"Rundown nostalgia"
icy meteor
I have always said that R2E1 is way easier than people remember.
@deft kiln and I wiped. We need ur carry :(
pulsar zodiac
with mine that actually work
past bough
playing R2E1 with R7 super buffed sentry:
we had a burst 
hexed vapor
<@325636095067029507> and I wiped. We need ur carry :(
Link me bb
paper harness
I have always said that R2E1 is way easier than people remember.
I think that OG r2e1 was still harder
having played it quite recently as well
grizzled ravine
Probably because the game was assss
paper harness
I miss fast shadows
hexed vapor
I think that OG r2e1 was still harder
I could see it, but in static I can't say I've had a hard time with it.
grizzled ravine
And, I believe most of the tiles changed.
hexed vapor
The stealth definitely got big nerfed.
paper harness
and shadows that actually disappeared on bioscan
nocturne flax
I like this r2e1 better
grizzled ravine
Don't forget if you pinged, you had to deal with which triangles were true.
paper harness
r2d1 was also significally easier I feel like
yeah r2b1 new version is slightly cringe
grizzled ravine
I think the engine and fog changes have made it easier to see in the tight corridor sections.
Still a pain to go through.
past bough
r2e1 was easy
paper harness
the 2 blood door rooms for og r2d1 were actually cancer to play
paper harness
that too
grizzled ravine
The big room scan did feel easier tho which is probably due to the spawn dist.
paper harness
was that the one with the shadows?
dire pelican
Wow u guys so quick
grizzled ravine
Not really. It just plug and play with previous memory.
dire pelican
I only finish till r2b2
deft kiln
@icy meteor stop typing in gtfo chat and shit already
grizzled ravine
You'll get there bud. Play some more and you'll get it all done.
past bough
i heard ppl say r2 was only hard because people were still getting used to the game
maybe thats why r2e1 is supposedly "harder"
even though it felt easier compared to r7e1 for me lol
hexed vapor
R2 was the first "hard" rundown.
past bough
fair
grizzled ravine
R3 is gonna be the next "skip this shit" rundown.
paper harness
where r3
dire pelican
Probably next year
hexed vapor
R3 is gonna be the next "skip this shit" rundown.
I'm bouta solo so much next rundown.
past bough
does r3 even have an e level?
last i checked it didnt
grizzled ravine
I hope to god they just bundle R3 and R4 together.
pulsar zodiac
we had multiple buff to our weapons since R2
with nothing to match our firepower in the alt version of rundown
grizzled ravine
No it's just R3D1
past bough
thats an odd choice
grizzled ravine
I believe it. Solo'd R3 up to D1 because I don't wanna deal with that level solo.
No patience gamer.
grizzled ravine
I'll disagree and leave it there.
paper harness
not when it lasted for 5 months
past bough
i thought r1 was the only rundown without an e level
paper harness
if it was a 2/3 month filler rundown for optional objectives it would have been completely fine
nocturne flax
not when it lasted for 5 months
Hopefuly it doesnt last 5 months again
grizzled ravine
R6 doesn't have an E level
nocturne flax
r3 its a misunderstood rundown
grizzled ravine
Blessed they release the legend of R3.5
past bough
huh
pulsar zodiac
R3 has good level design (not A3)
past bough
which rundowns do have an e level?
grizzled ravine
Nah those terminals were funny as hell.
past bough
besides r2 and r7
pulsar zodiac
2 4 5 7
past bough
hm
pulsar zodiac
question is
past bough
why does 3 and 6 not have one
grizzled ravine
6 months of R6 ☠️
pulsar zodiac
can we still do cell skip in ALT r5e1
grizzled ravine
Oh man if they take that out, they're killin it.
Tho can't wait to see the Great Sieve of Alt:R5Ex1 and Alt:R5C2PE
hexed vapor
I don't think most weapons are that much stronger, but what is worth considering is that a lot of our crowd-control weapons are very strong now. CS has gotten a lot of stagger, more chip damage, and more ammo. HEL shotgun exists. HEL weapons exist in general. Tools are much better at stalling out enemies than before.
R2E1 is mostly difficult because it spams surge alarms in lots of different situations, and surge alarms are mostly punishing if you don't have the CC to relieve large amounts of pressure very quickly. So, just by having the right tools in the weapon pool, it becomes a lot more trivial.
paper harness
nah they'll just release r5c2 in the nerfed version which will be complete dogshit
pulsar zodiac
also shadow giants in alt R2E1 is a joke
(speed nerf, R6 hammer)
past bough
i want the maul back
nocturne flax
Today you might think guns are too good because your holding a wave with 2 hel shotguns, but back in the day was 2 machineguns instead
hexed vapor
70-80% big shadows is also now only 30-40% big shadows.
paper harness
I don't mind the hammer changes that make stagger more consistent because of the fact that there were so many instances in old rundowns were obvious limb breaks and back hits would not stagger giants
but shadow speed nerf should be reverted
past bough
"The pain makes me stronger!"
nocturne flax
2 people with machingun can kill all the waves in r2d2 back then
hexed vapor
And people are way less afraid of shadows after 5 rundowns.
nocturne flax
shit was funny
grizzled ravine
I preferred the degen hammer strats. But, you're not wrong.
past bough
i just think shadows are annoying
paper harness
now you just have 2 sniper/burst sentries and just afk reactor waves anyway
paper harness
i just think shadows are annoying
skill issue
past bough
i know how to deal with them
i just dont like them
paper harness
skill issue
nocturne flax
And people are way less afraid of shadows after 5 rundowns.
Dont forget thermals
hexed vapor
I like shadows, because they're very unique in terms of how they threaten you as opposed to something like chargers which are just stat sticks.
orite
Haha, PDW go BRRRRRRRR
paper harness
were there more hybrids in original surge scans?
paper harness
yeah and your favorite rundowns are gonna be shit when they re-release
jokes on you I hate this game and all of the rundowns
nocturne flax
were there more hybrids in original surge scans?
There were no hybrids
pulsar zodiac
surge became normal alarm with 2 sniper sentries at same doorway (class 4 surge to storage, both surge after error)
hexed vapor
Hey, R2 was my favorite, so as long as I can get over this I'm set.
paper harness
There were no hybrids
I swear that there were, was it a chance spawn?
nocturne flax
I like this re-release (not because of nostalgia)
nocturne flax
I swear that there were, was it a chance spawn?
your most likely confusing it with r4 changes to surge alarms
that at first introduce big chargers
but those were a joke
and now their hybrids
pulsar zodiac
I dont think there is
hybrid only spawn in surge like in R4 first or second patch
hexed vapor
Triple big charger on the surge
inland crater
Why do charger exist
grizzled ravine
Variety
inland crater
Literally favoring bodyshot bandits
past bough
why does r1 have chargers but r2 doesnt?
paper harness
they're a good enemy
hexed vapor
why does r1 have chargers but r2 doesnt?
R1-R3 design philosophy was that enemy variants should be rare and pretty special when they showed up.
inland crater
hexed vapor
R1 has a level with chargers and a level with shadows.
past bough
hm
past bough
lmao
hexed vapor
R4 and R5 went balls-to-the-walls in comparison.
past bough
when did mothers come into the game
paper harness
r4 has every enemy in every single level
pulsar zodiac
R3
past bough
what about tanks
hexed vapor
We thought there were a lot of chargers in R4, but fuck no, that was the rundown for shadows.
paper harness
and an error in every single level
pulsar zodiac
R4
inland crater
Charger is a b tier enemy
hexed vapor
Tanks added R4.
inland crater
Bet
hexed vapor
Mom added R3 and was in ||two|| levels
past bough
which rundown is objectively the hardest
hexed vapor
R5
inland crater
5
grizzled ravine
R5 easily
paper harness
nothing really beats pre-nerf r5
inland crater
R5c2 my beloved
grizzled ravine
C2?
pulsar zodiac
pre bug fix R5C2
paper harness
"bug fix"
past bough
whats the easiest rundown
hexed vapor
R1
pulsar zodiac
R1
hexed vapor
R1 and R5 are both no contest in that regard.
past bough
second easiest
grizzled ravine
R3
hexed vapor
Probably R3, depends a little on how you evaluate it.
paper harness
do you count checkpoint completes
pulsar zodiac
R3
paper harness
or just regular full clears
past bough
i guess regular?
grizzled ravine
Ain't no way you putting in R6
inland crater
Why are checkpoints a thing😫
hexed vapor
But R3 didn't have very much high-end content.
inland crater
Anti learning mechanic
paper harness
I don't think there was a level r6 post nerf that was very hard
past bough
is r4 the second hardest rundown?
paper harness
but r3 was probably the second easiest
hexed vapor
It's R4 or R7, and I think R4 has the edge there.
past bough
so r7 is the 3rd hardest?
grizzled ravine
Ain't no way we putting R7 over R6
hexed vapor
R7 is harder than R6 easily.
R6 didn't have much going for its hard content, plus way too much ammo.
hexed vapor
R6D2 hardest level in the game.
nocturne flax
game harder
Just use cover better dumbo
gotta go inside a room and run past the wall 20 meters to not get hit
pulsar zodiac
R6D2 extreme at one point spawn like surge
at one point spawn nothing
inland crater
R7d1 ov would like a word with your frames
pulsar zodiac
its funny
grizzled ravine
R7d1 ov would like a word with your frames
You mean R6DX?
paper harness
I completely forget about the x levels
inland crater
Esp the middle uplink
paper harness
that's how memorable they were
inland crater
So bad
past bough
what would you rank from the hardest rundown to the easiest rundown?
pulsar zodiac
which one are you:
R6DX top to bottom gang
R6DX bottom to top gang
grizzled ravine
When CX is harder than DX.
inland crater
Bottom to top
paper harness
DX was just a pain in the ass to do because the fliers just glitched through walls and their hitboxes were so fucked
inland crater
But tbh only played it once and never want to be back
grizzled ravine
I did the flyer stuck glitch for my solo and called it a day
inland crater
DX was just a pain in the ass to do because the fliers just glitched through wal...
The middle uplink with the corridor
Can never hit them fliers
But they hit you thru walls like its nothing
Bruh
😫
hexed vapor
what would you rank from the hardest rundown to the easiest rundown?
R5 -> R4 -> R7 -> R6 -> R2 -> R3 -> R1 probably.
past bough
hm
deft kiln
r6 over r2
deft kiln
love it
hexed vapor
R2, R4, R6, and R7 are the hardest to rank.
hallow lark
Does the generators in B2 do anything when the cell gets put in?
pulsar zodiac
you should try
nocturne flax
You gotta hear the gen
past bough
they take the cell off your hands
pulsar zodiac
to put it in
hallow lark
Smh. You know what I’m talking about
inland crater
hallow lark
I mean any alarms? Fog?
pulsar zodiac
you lose your RTX 5090
inland crater
Noooooo all my mining rigs
hexed vapor
Because the playerbase skill level is very different at all of those times, and then you have a lot of toss-up with whether not optional objectives existed, what tiers existed, how were things balanced, etc.
inland crater
Please just port r4 and r5 as is with no changes
hexed vapor
Ngl, I don't think I miss R5 pre-nerf that much.
hexed vapor
R2 pre-nerf was based, the whole thing.
R5 pre-nerf was based sometimes, but mostly just annoying af.
paper harness
skill issue
pulsar zodiac
as long as I have the fire range level (R5B1)
I am happy
hexed vapor
Oh yeah, but did you kill the scout in the gen cluster 10 times on R5C2 :^)
inland crater
I wish to see the devs stream r5 again
paper harness
yes and I enjoyed every second of it
inland crater
It's gonna be so much fun
paper harness
:^)
pulsar zodiac
remember 10cc got to the last alarm in R5C3 once
inland crater
Why does r5b1ex exist
inland crater
Yea...
grizzled ravine
Run through it simulator
hexed vapor
Why does r5b1ex exist
Lets me go on a solo adventure and pretend I don't have 3 random teammates.
Very cool.
inland crater
I actually almost fell asleep on that objective
grizzled ravine
Almost as bad as R5B2's pull it all simulator
pulsar zodiac
specifically bring full infection resist and become a man of freedom
pulsar zodiac
R5D2 my beloved
paper harness
wdym you don't like hammering everything and cfoaming every door?
grizzled ravine
Idk. I preferred the puzzle solving of R5C3 main compared to the push control of ex.
The terminals were eh, but everything before was neat.
paper harness
I just don't think cfoam adds anything to the game as a tool except for an avenue to cheese
avid cfoam hater here
pulsar zodiac
I refuse to touch R5C1 uplink
paper harness
135?
inland crater
Cant remember zone number
hexed vapor
Either 112 or 113
inland crater
The one with door right next to uplink terminal
paper harness
yeah the one that was downstairs
inland crater
Big door on bottom floor
inland crater
Idk it's so much worse in that room
paper harness
except with the other side you could just circle kite the sleepers
pulsar zodiac
dont really mind
usually have one blocking the big door on the bottom
that person could help defend the uplink while spawn blocking
hexed vapor
I don't mind stealthier levels, and R5C1 was solid imo.
Lots of rooms to clear.
Lots of really bad rooms to pull.
hexed vapor
Creative use of respawn.
Hunting down scouts in a room full of giants is also somewhat engaging.
pulsar zodiac
I like R5C1 R5D2 and R6D3 cocoon
inland crater
Idk they used same room in r7d1 with shadows and scouts
And it just doesnt feel same
So sad
hexed vapor
I don't mind that room, but it's way lower stakes when it's all small enemies.
inland crater
Respawn ok mechanic as long as no abuse
Ehh i mean is r5c1 first room really high stakes when you have so much cover
twin dirge
Bing Bong
inland crater
Talkin about them giants ofc
hexed vapor
Could get pretty gnarly imo.
and assuming you're not trying to wake it up.
It's a much larger effort to make space.
inland crater
If anything the spawn also provides 2 long line of sight
hexed vapor
Team has to coordinate at least a little bit to create zones that you control.
Or you have to avoid enemies while picking off scouts that pathed between groups.
Vs. small enemies, where you can just go and kill everything until you reach a scout.
fallow wasp
R2D1 was quite a long level in comparison to the every earlier level I've played in R1 and R2
obtuse surge
when R3
twin dirge
when R3
past bough
it's been 1 fucking day
deft kiln
when r3
past bough
im gonna kill myself
royal lichen
kill giant strikers instead
twin dirge
aka myself
candid dragon
When r4
royal lichen
yes. check #gtfo-lore ..
last gust
any new log on R2
apparently there is the most log on R2
olive shoal
id probably say r7e1 is harder
twin dirge
R7E1 yeah
which aligns with what the devs want
presumably R8 is going to be the most difficult rundown
olive shoal
twin dirge
unless they make it easy "for the new players 🥺 "
prisma zodiac
i dont see a world where they make r4e1 easier than r7e1 unless they just delete half of the level and enemys of the half left
olive shoal
twin dirge
surely they won't 😟
olive shoal
im so excited for my ears to be blasted by the heavy breathing
eternal dragon
The second cell is going to be replaced for a key so we can’t cell skip anymore but that’s fine
👍
eternal dragon
I wonder if it’s going to be a mask for every alt rundown
olive shoal
cant wait to get the airfryer mask next rundown
eternal dragon
I can build a house with all my masks already
eternal dragon
olive shoal
paper harness
this so sad, can we add 10 more palettes into the game to dilute the drop pool
twin dirge
broken scarab
I wonder if it’s going to be a mask for every alt rundown
Probably not
Regarding the R2B2 cell softlock, anyone else got that?
quiet stone
Regarding the R2B2 cell softlock, anyone else got that?
My life gets soft locked every time I boot up the game
robust marsh
Regarding the R2B2 cell softlock, anyone else got that?
i heard you can get it from few ppl
ask how did they fix R4B1
same solution
west crow
Do you think the developers will split extensions into different alt releases of a single rundown
R4 alt and r4 ext alt 🥴
velvet linden
yes but then they're gonna double drop them
robust marsh
Do you think the developers will split extensions into different alt releases of...
how else would they milk the game?
half hornet
Is it milking if its free
atomic escarp
not at all
prisma zodiac
uhh
twin dirge
yeah I can't see how it's milking
twin dirge
not like it's paid DLC
prisma zodiac
weve reset over 40 times for it
and not seen 1 spawn there
so it seems like that zone is still not rly doing anything aside from being bait?
icy meteor
so it seems like that zone is still not rly doing anything aside from being bait...
Shhhhhhh, better for runs
zealous elbow
I put the third cell in the generator on the R2D1, and the fog is up to the end
Has anyone experienced the same bug?
hallow lark
Regarding the R2B2 cell softlock, anyone else got that?
Nope
atomic escarp
what b2 cell softlock 🤔
obtuse surge
sometimes you can shove cells into wrong generators
obtuse surge
it used to be pretty consistent for late join
not sure if thats still what causes it
obtuse surge
u can see if its the right one or not
yeh but usually you can't power the wrong one
so when you see a prompt you assume its right
candid dragon
wish you could take cells out of generators
to generators that belong to doors and havent been opened yet.*
past bough
that'd be an interesting mission
imagine only having 1 cell and you have to take it out of generators after clearing a zone
then put it in a different one
atomic escarp
that would be cool to see
burnt goblet
Have a powercell in order to power terminals. All the terminals are offline and tied to a gen in each zone, if you want to use the terminal you have to power the gen with the single cell
atomic escarp
@past bough this
past bough
i been had that
candid dragon
reconnect solar panel in planet environment
fallow wasp
say the Email for this rundown said something about the world outside the underground, is that referring to the logs?
royal lichen
say the Email for this rundown said something about the world outside the underg...
logs only yea
candid olive
normal rampart
How has the rundown been overall? Relatively faithful to the original?
twin dirge
it's been nerfed but otherwise yeah
twin dirge
<@745746759455735929> this
never understood this backpack at all
like what's the use of it having solar panels?
velvet linden
how was it nerfed?
hexed vapor
how was it nerfed?
C1 has an easier extraction if you do the first terminal last, D2 has normal fog instead of infectious, E1 has less shadow titans in stealth, and the arrangement of the second-to-last zone during the error makes it much easier to get through than in the OG.
Otherwise, it's not really all that different.
Also, they removed some scouts here and there or made RNG scouts more consistent.
hexed vapor
A lot of the nerfs are still dumb af, but they're not really significant.
C2 removing the class I alarm and then moving key into 115 is a little silly.
nocturne flax
Room layout its similar but you can setup for things now
twin dirge
A lot of the nerfs are still dumb af, but they're not really significant.
this tbh
I think they want the difficulty curve to be
R1 < R2 ... R8
getting harder each rundown
unless it's only nerfs...
hexed vapor
It's fair to be a bit worried, though.
Because if they're making a bunch of unnecessary nerfs now.
They'll probably just keep doing it later.
Especially when R2 was already not that hard.
Especially on R2E1, it's literally an E-tier.
We'll see, I guess.
twin dirge
Alt: R7E1 removes Pablo
hexed vapor
Based?
twin dirge
ngl it's not like it adds difficulty as to just pissing off the team
mortal granite
it do be adding difficulty while you're in a scan
hexed vapor
I don't mind some reworking, like moving the IDs from 113 to 114 in C2 is cool, and making waves in R1D1 harder is neat.
I just hope they rework the right stuff, and not in a way that just makes it easier.
Making the turbine more important in R4D2 PE would be nice, for example.
mortal granite
honestly, they are making changes to the game that make it enjoyable for general people
hexed vapor
But who cares? Game's dying when they're done anyway.
And for stuff like E1, not a lot of people will be playing it to begin with.
mortal granite
so what? make the game as hard as possible while it being stupid?
hexed vapor
No, just don't nerf it for no reason.
2 shadow giants in the armory is absolutely too few.
Making 117 a free zone is weird.
twin dirge
^^^
I get making the game more accessible
but some moments feel like it just gives you the completion
hexed vapor
Just in general, there was nothing wrong with the standard post-nerf difficulty.
And like I've said plenty, I much more enjoyed pre-nerf.
past bough
i can kinda see why people think this game is easy
past bough
but some moments feel like it just gives you the completion
yeah kinda does
i thought the game was supposed to be challenging
yet sometimes it feels piss easy
i can't say for every rundown but ive seen a fair amount of people be worried that r5 (the supposedly hardest rundown) is gonna be nerfed to hell
obtuse cedar
probably gonna have less cocoon rooms
and with r6 enemies distribution, you won't have pacted cocoon room
on the rundown that introduced floodways... aka massive empty rooms
glacial crescent
Dont forget R2 was built different from R5+ GTFO
In R2 we had less QoL improvements, weapons werent as powerful, and we didnt have access to boosters which later rundowns were balanced around
The AI was also different with soft stagger when you hit then and Shadow Giants were really strong with very fast attack wind up speed and movement speed
and also infection was a really big thing in R2E1
since the fogged up tunnel system caused a lot of passive environmental damage then the giant geomorph before the neonate and last zone in the gauntlet leading up to extract (that also had spitters in tight corridors with rooms that needed to be hacked to get through)
and the final room had around 4 different doors enemies could run through
before extract
also forgot to mention Sniper Sentries exist which kinda breaks the game balance because it essentially acts as Deus Ex Machine Prenerf Shotgun Sentry 2.0
turbid cliff
In R2 we had less QoL improvements, weapons werent as powerful, and we didnt hav...
balanced around?
broken scarab
My life gets soft locked every time I boot up the game
This is true
paper harness
just a minor issue but it would be good if the sleeper hands clipping through the face of the sleeper model gets fixed while they are sleeping
restive oak
it do be adding difficulty while you're in a scan
I wouldn't call it difficulty, but frustration
mortal granite
I wouldn't call it difficulty, but frustration
do you run away from the scan what the immortal are on you?
if yes then the immortal did it job
the immortal job is to disrupt the progress
or at least, disrupt whatever the thing you're doing
prisma zodiac
Immortal on the first alarm is actually fun and a danger
atomic escarp
I am malding
we had no idea you have to team scan at the generator in D1
so we were a minute late to start
died on the extraction scan
i hate this game
I'm crawling back to deep rock
byw
cold heart
God I love this game
real moss
i hate this game
Someone got mad 😂
atomic escarp
I stand by my idea that Pablo should be able to damaged as any other Tank, but it only gets stunned instead of killed and gets back up after a min or something like that, maybe a bit more spongy than a normal tank.
I didnt really enjoy walking around a column looking at the bio dancing around with Pablo
Then again maybe my idea wasn't as feasible/easy to implement as Tank but immortal
mortal granite
are you sure that the player won't just, do the same thing?
prisma zodiac
yeah. Something similar to the immortal enemys in dead space
You can limb break him and incapacitate for like 5 seconds with multiple breaks quickly
it would make him more interactable in return for ressources
Mightve been harder to implement tho
mortal granite
i'm just gonna ask
are you sure that, the player will do that OR they will just do the same thing as you did which is dancing with immortal around a column
it looked like a waste of developing time imo
real moss
are you sure that, the player will do that OR they will just do the same thing a...
they will still dance around immortal cause: it saves ammo
mortal granite
they will still dance around immortal cause: it saves ammo
correct
what's stopping the player from NOT doing that
i know it feel like a good idea
but when you put development time into making that, and then you see people doing the exact opposite and just looping him around a pillar
and another thing is that, in the pre-alpha video, there was an immortal in that video and do the exact same thing as you guys suggest
it was a giant striker but don't die, you can break it limbs and slow it down, but it act the same way.
so the gameplay for it would be: "shoot the immortal giant striker 5 times and start looping"
prisma zodiac
Whats stopping the player from door bugging every door for every alarm
nothing
but suprise. They dont do it because its incredibly boring
If the immortal had that option you could design the level differently around him. Making it more of an active threat. Make him quicker normally or smth
mortal granite
an immortal mother would be more terrifying than immortal tank
prisma zodiac
immortal mother 
mortal granite
basically a baby error alarm
it do be interesting when you have to spend ammo every now and then or else you get tongue to death by babies
atomic escarp
Someone got mad 😂
I literally said I am malding
atomic escarp
what's stopping the player from NOT doing that
The point would be not about efficiency but about... well, fun
real moss
I literally said I am malding
yes and I repeated it
mortal granite
what you're doing, i feel like it slowly becoming an Error alarm type of situation
atomic escarp
Yes, you're right on that
Then the question becomes which is more engaging, a question that can indeed be very subjective
mortal granite
why would you make an enemy that get stun for 2 minutes when you can just make an error alarm out of it
atomic escarp
why would you make an enemy that get stun for 2 minutes when you can just make a...
If I "stun" him in room A he's gonna stay there for some time
I guess you can argue that he could just be forced to respawn always in the same room and it'd be the same still
Or that it'd make R7E1's ending part easier
mortal granite
i ask one of my friend who is a dev
he said, just make the damn thing like a boss
"The final enemy"
if you want more engaging, that's the route
atomic escarp
I still cant shake the feeling that it's weirdly implemented as it is
atomic escarp
it is the same thing as the immortal enemy in DRG
been a while since I played that, you mean the giant invisible/invulnerable Detonator?
mortal granite
yes
atomic escarp
DRG gives you way more tools to move around for that to be an apt comparison IMHO
mortal granite
but you still do the same thing
atomic escarp
And I remember him being incredibly slow
mortal granite
which is the whole point of the enemy
atomic escarp
That's a bit more dangerous than Pablo...
mortal granite
he deal aoe damage, so it's not 1 shot, just like pablo
so unless the enemy are there for you to shoot at, this entire gimmick did it job
it's a distraction enemy AND disruption? enemy (where you need to move the enemy around to progress)
the only engaging part is shooting, and the player will go out of their way to NOT shoot an immortal enemy
atomic escarp
I've no idea, maybe there'd be a better way than what it is right now
mortal granite
the only thing that's better to do with these enemy is: placement
which there isn't any better place to be then being a pain in the ass to the player
atomic escarp
hi herokiller621
honest lotus
hello stranger
hidden crater
Oh hey its herokiller621 how you been
hexed vapor
is it just me or is R2E1 soo much easier than it used to be
Power creep, and general skill improvement.
obtuse surge
yeh bro the R2D2 nerfs go hard, the infection/spitters only mattered for the final zone where people pulled the room to remove all the danger before going in. Any infection they got from the zone would be removed once they returned to reactor.
Now they do the exact same thing but they don't have to annoying watch out for spitters in a zone with no danger left and they no longer have to stand at the shower station for 5s
why would a level designer ever do that
damn that fog turbine that you would move during a moment of absolutely no danger
it now spawns closer so there's less boring WALKING
why would he change that lol
clearly not in the modding community
i hope the one dude that makes these changes doesn't listen to you guys and keeps listening to his brain instead
honest lotus
Oh hey its herokiller621 how you been
Decent
honest lotus
i hope the one dude that makes these changes doesn't listen to you guys and keep...
Agreed as there is just far too many nerfs making it that much easier in these levels when there should be in fact a source of challenge
R2 alt was reduced down to point and shoot mostly
R1 you could do the same
R3 i understand wont be very challenging for the main player base due to d1 only having the ending being the slight challenge but as of current state u can kill the ||queen|| within seconds rendering the only challenge to be the main level design
Hoping it is changed to be tougher
errant vigil
Back then you could kill her extremely fast too
honest lotus
Tru tru
errant vigil
Pump shotgun was disgusting
honest lotus
Agreed
But still with the rate the nerfs are going shes gonna be easier with current day weapons
Not much is really a threat if u have that much resources that u can shoot 90% of rooms and still have left over ammo or tank a bunch and still have med to heal
errant vigil
No stamina already made 95% of old levels extremely easy
honest lotus
Well i agree with that
As kiting was super easy to do once mastered
Only issue was when going back and the giants still coming haha
But even then pulse barely made a difference as long as u know how to use ur stamina
errant vigil
R2 was always easy tho
honest lotus
One thing that made old rundowns insanely easy was b-hopping
errant vigil
Has no interesting enemies
honest lotus
D2 e1 used to be the only challenging levels XD
Now d2 is a joke and e1 is decently easy
errant vigil
I don't know R2E1 being able to be soloed by kiting forever is not that hard
errant vigil
And boring
honest lotus
Agreed
upbeat rover
D1 says "look at me I'm the hardest level now"
honest lotus
D1 says "look at me I'm the hardest level now"
first try completion
I bet it 2nd try as i was tired af and had done all the rest of the rundown before it so i was burnt out
But still XD
errant vigil
I wish that they returned old rundowns sooner so we would have to wait for better newer content
upbeat rover
2nd try for me since our group forgot that one alarm in the 2-story room goes below and every enemy spawned down there
honest lotus
Agreed
honest lotus
2nd try for me since our group forgot that one alarm in the 2-story room goes be...
They can go both
errant vigil
If they changed their minds before full release I would have been mad but at least it'd be done by now
Copium
honest lotus
Mm
upbeat rover
Even really small updates that add an extra objective to an existing level I would not mind they could be cool
Like give a level R1-R3 an extreme objective or two
honest lotus
Well what i think would be cool is even a months +1 level to an extras rundown
So u progressively gain an extra level to run while new rundowns are being made
Instead of rundowns being completed within a week or less and u have nothing to do for months besides replay it
Thats only 12 levels per year and if they have all assets there then all the level designers need to to is make the level and have it uploaded monthly... Doesnt even have to be a long level just one that is fun enough to replay
R6C3 was decently fun but that was due to it being different
30 mins till u can extract but within that time u can do secondary and overload then go to extraction
atomic escarp
R6C3 was decently fun but that was due to it being different
was it? Run there, foam door (or don't, who cares), kill tank, get res, go there, get bk, go there, do super easy alarm, get cells, go to gen, kill tank, extract
paper harness
why do people think that b-hopping made levels easier to clear
atomic escarp
R6C3 felt like a breeze once everyone knew what to do
honest lotus
Yeah pretty much XD
honest lotus
why do people think that b-hopping made levels easier to clear
Because u could speed clear rooms very easy
paper harness
that made levels faster to clear for sure but how can you actually think that bhopping made levels easier
and?
atomic escarp
Also dreamspan is right on bhopping
honest lotus
And plus it would only count as 1 step and was appart of kiting
paper harness
circle kiting is not bhopping
and you can kite completely without jumping
if anything you should always be sliding when kiting
paper harness
because you get a speed bonus for sliding pre r6
atomic escarp
if anything you should always be sliding when kiting
In R4 you could look at the ceiling and shooters would miss the shots
honest lotus
In R4 you could look at the ceiling and shooters would miss the shots
I would love to see that with kiting a hoard XD
atomic escarp
I would love to see that with kiting a hoard XD
Oh I've seen it
paper harness
shooter projectiles were just based on your crosshair position
honest lotus
Bruh
paper harness
you'd commonly see it used against hybrids
honest lotus
Great coding there
XD
But yeah ur right bhopping only made it faster
Not easier
atomic escarp
By the way, any reason as of why I've noticed hybrid projectiles going through me without actually hitting me? Usually happens on the truck of R1C1
paper harness
probably desync
honest lotus
Either desync or missing ur hitbox somehow
atomic escarp
I guess hitbox since they dont even damage me
honest lotus
R u host?
honest lotus
Might be worth while testing while hosting and rec it
obtuse surge
its a new bug
honest lotus
As if u can recreate it then yeah its a new bug
honest lotus
Half the time i either dodge or give up dodging and just tank the hit XD
Projectiles love me
Unless they love someone else in the lobby
deft kiln
you probably have
Have you had shooter bug break the other day while stacking all the enemies in r1b2 when I was lower in elevation they could hit me
past bough
what is the fucking shooter bug
restive oak
do you run away from the scan what the immortal are on you?
Not really, because we lured it far away enough to get more than 70% scanned
Then tank a few hits to scan
deft kiln
what is the fucking shooter bug
Where shooters can’t dmg you unless you on a lower elevation(sometimes) then them
Sometimes they just can’t hurt you
It has become super common with rundown 2 drop I get the bug in like a level or two
hexed vapor
why do people think that b-hopping made levels easier to clear
They don't know how it works.
That's it.
Nothing new.
deft kiln
B hopping is just fun fast stealth now we just speed walk
Very sad
Or still hop with funny ping /macro
mossy marsh
power walk
nocturne flax
They don't know how it works.
Yeah cuz covering 10 meter in 1 second by just jumping first yhen jumping again didnt make things easier
Allowing you to make skips in certain levels without triggering things
I like bhop but im glad its gone
Too much utility and speed
obtuse surge
Too much utility and speed
mortal portal
nocturne flax
<a:goodtake:967383720275349565>
Ok burst canceling simp
Just bring revo like a normal person
mortal portal
I brought Sniper + DMR to R5C3 
Level can't be called Starvation if you don't experience the real starvation
errant vigil
4 and then it scales
bold widget
Till max cap?
hard cape
What's the best tool for e1 surge alarm? sentry or c foam? There are too many and we always die at the last surge
dreamy bramble
sentry is better for the last one since you can funnel them through the far door + forward spawns can break doors
hard cape
true. front spawn makes c foam kind of pointless
past bough
why are people mad at 10c for removing things that made the game easier when it's supposed to be a hard game
🤨
fallow wasp
So I hear R2E1 now has a checkpoint
I wonder if without the checkpoint if it would still have the <1% clear rate it used to
lilac jewel
okay so im brand new to the game and i want to know if you get better stuff the less you die overall.
kind swan
no
gear wise no improvements for completions/deaths etc.
completions of your cosmetic missions though will give you better drip to make your prisoner look different
timber elk
why are people mad at 10c for removing things that made the game easier when it'...
haha I agree. but then again people call you a hacker when u oneshot giants with full melee boosters. people just want it too easy 😉
deft kiln
it does just a move checkpoint on the other cell door
upbeat patrol
Speaking on E1 is there any advice on dealing with all those damn surge alarms?
deft kiln
Speaking on E1 is there any advice on dealing with all those damn surge alarms?
which one
upbeat patrol
i dont get what the devs expect folks said to kite in the past before stamina
what is expected now
surge alarms in general
nocturne flax
what is expected now
What was expected of you from the beggining
Shoot
Set up
Burst sentries are good now
Use them
Its all strikers
Just fire away
The same game knowledge that you use to get to the E tier
Funneling trough doors its a big deal too
Also take your time on the error before pushing the timer on the error gives you ample time to push trough the rooms safely
Clear --> push --> clear repeat
past bough
i somehow got through the first surge alarm without taking damage the other day
upbeat patrol
have the changed the replace timer on surges i seem to recall it was almost instantly forced to 25 at all times
so killing was pointless
nocturne flax
Thats the whole point of surges
To forcr you into the scan and kill
Surge alarm showcase the best parts of this game.. teamwork
Kiting its for bitches
twin dirge
Kiting its for bitches
you just alerted the horde
nocturne flax
Gonna have to do "Dont kite, shoot part 2"
nocturne flax
you just alerted the horde
Whst are they gonna do
Apart from running away from me
twin dirge
past bough
kiting isn't inherently bad
but yeah people who rely on running away instead of actually using their weapons are bitches
mortal granite
anyone know what font GTFO use?
asking for the 10th times because i kept forgetting
past bough
idk
rich estuary
obtuse surge
a rundown where the devs split up
boreal tendon
how many sleepers spawn in the error in e1 ?
if I'm reading shit right it's 4 at the start and 10/11 after 30 minutes
so u get one more per around 4m30s
hexed vapor
What's the best tool for e1 surge alarm? sentry or c foam? There are too many an...
Are you funneling?
hexed vapor
what is expected now
It's not that hard, fam.
If you are not able to relieve pressure when enemies reach you, then chances are that one or more people are not pulling their weight.
boreal tendon
tools are omegabuffed, weapons are omegabuffed
hexed vapor
HEL Shotgun exists, CS is in one of its strongest states since R3...
Carbine is overtuned af.
(pls buff)
boreal tendon
bring burst sentries instead of snipers as stagger/weakening>killing for surges
hexed vapor
so killing was pointless
If you kill 10 enemies that reach you, they are now at whichever rooms are valid spawns instead of right on top of you.
past bough
would any skilled players like to do r7e1
nocturne flax
tools are omegabuffed, weapons are omegabuffed
tools are the ones that have more of a big impact on this than guns
before in r2 you woulda just..... machingun,cs, pump everything on sight
boreal tendon
and now you do the same and also have strong primaries
hexed vapor
and now you do the same and also have strong primaries
Head glitch AR and SMG tho.
boreal tendon
im takin helrevo and carbine anyday
paper harness
Machine pistol 
hazy trellis
where to find group for mods?
mossy marsh
.t modding
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upbeat patrol
All right fellas shooting works. Credit where credit is due @hexed vapor @nocturne flax
e1 completion as of a few moments ago
never seen so many damn drum mags in a level before lol
paper harness
Autopistol in E1
nocturne flax
You might as well do your first completion with all helguns
olive shoal
my beloved helgun
twin dirge
nah you gotta do all completions with 999 HP mod
atomic escarp
D2 was fun
pale stratus
nah you gotta do all completions with 999 HP mod
No hit, no alert, no shots fired, under 5 minutes, with your eyes closed, playing with your feet.
real moss
D2 was fun
Have you recovered from D1?
twin dirge
No hit, no alert, no shots fired, under 5 minutes, with your eyes closed, playin...
feet? 😳
pale stratus
With your feet
fair fern
No hit, no alert, no shots fired, under 5 minutes, with your eyes closed, playin...
your feet will die after all of that=))
bold widget
i heard feet
atomic escarp
no, go away
wide lion
who know bug door?
atomic escarp
some people, whatchu need of it 🤔
prisma zodiac
a bug door?
Probably make it around 1,5cm wide and 3cm high
olive shoal
not sure why bugs would need a door tho
wide lion
or new game he not work?
twin dirge
you don't need exploits to play normally
atomic escarp
damn people really do suck at this game
many casuals been drawn into the game me included but i'd never do it
real moss
many casuals been drawn into the game me included but i'd never do it
I had a chick on R2C1 doorcheesing every single door (and failing). Then I destroyed doors on purpose so she could not do it anymore. She got downed, immediatly left. We still cleared the mission. (who needs doors anyways)
And btw not a word beforehand to ask if we ok with it. Just started doing it.
olive shoal
classic
twin dirge
average pubs experience
atomic escarp
use protection when in lfgs 😬
twin dirge
who needs kick from lobby feature when they rage quit
olive shoal
me when i play the video game thats meant to be a challenge and do everything i can to not make it a challenge
real moss
Like those kind of people can honestly just go eat glue while playing the sims
real moss
use protection when in lfgs 😬
Always Raw
atomic escarp
😂
fair fern
I had a chick on R2C1 doorcheesing every single door (and failing). Then I destr...
shesh
woman
