#gtfo-spoiler-chat
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There is tons of resources and the two scans are nasty
I love full charging a sleeper to the head and it does absolutely nothing. The scary part is. I've grown accustomed to react to these by doing nothing vs keep going if I catch it.
Yeah solo without bots
Mine deployer
I would sentry but maybe mines is fine?
Most solos originally were minedeployer for og r1a1
Mines are lot better than og r1
The first alarm is a struggle for some if they dont take mines
The class 2 alarm?
Yeah it has to do with room distance
Yes
No right outside
Solo scanning 4 small scans takes significantly longer than a 4 man
Wait so the 2 rooms rule doesn't apply there?
It does but the 2nd room is really close
For some reason
no, like 20m away, because of how small the rooms are
Right
Oh yeah also save the class 4 door else u in a world of trouble
I think I'll give it a try soon
Yeah definitely
Very Short Walk
Very very funny
I remember when people would cfoam all 3 doors for that 4 scan door
Right, I thought they'll spawn in the room below D
Or is it 5?
In the small room
3
You be right
They come from your extraction point
the 2nd alarm is much harder with mines imo
Ah I see
Yeah the 2nd alarm is kinda insane
Now I understand the struggle with that scan
Well you just have to kite and kill if u wanna make it
Any weapon suggestions? Hel Revolver? Choke mod?
I love how warming up I fuck up. But once I'm in the thicc of it the skills start coming out
Anything is fine I would use stuff with good reloads
Dmr revolver if u a sharpshooter
Just know how to use the weapons you take
Solos is mostly about reloads when holding
I loved DMR and Hel Gun in R6 so yeah
Main loadout for me

Bullpup.. makes me laugh knowing what it "Used to be"
Curious how they'll nerf Hel gun when it returns
It has to
Yes it was too good
just buff the other guns instead
But I don't want to lose my baby
na the only gun that needs a nerf is pr
the 10cc solution
Make HAR no recoil mode again then
pr reloads to fast
strong guns + hard maps = fun
weak guns + easy maps = no fun
Make Choke mod has fast reload and 8 round tube
Revert the damage nerf on High cal but keep the range and ammo
yeah idk it is probs still fine tbh
i just dont like that it doesnt one shot charger scouts
so unfo
It's a stronger revolver dmg per shot. But still needs headshots
However
Revolver can still kill a charger scout

It was beautiful before they nerfed it
kinda insane but yeah it can
Wait what? For real?
Didn't know about that
mag dump
yeah it can mag dump
Oh wow
nice
π€
i am gonna shoot the scout next to the p mom
Good to know 
is doing that as simple as it sounds?
the only gun receiving nerf after nerf even though people are sleeping on it
If you like helgun you should try revo, pretty much the same shit
without the OP penetration
the only nerf it happend was in r5 afaik and it only remove like 7 bullets last time i check
wachu mean damage its 14
with the introduction of PR
they give you extra range
kekw
lemme check
nah your right but even then they fucked up and whatever range they try to penalize you didnt matter because of the damage increase

Wait but you're talking about the Mastaba R66 Revolver, not the Hel Revolver
i think you get more range than before with revo now
if it was hel revo i would say hel revo
Alright
we just want a 15 dmg revolver
get a booster
lame
same shit with stupid hcp
stop crying and slap a 35% damage on special
same shit
r7 reduce range
they buffed it until r4 cause it was slept on
remember that whole "revolver suck" trend back then lol
basically people skill issue
i dont rememeber that ever tbh
was using that shit since forever
i do remember the you gotta bring burst canon or else leave my lobby
Buff In R2, R3, R4 and R7
People not hitting headshots on the precision weapon
I mean if your always the type of people that just follows blindly the "meta" or its a super nerd for stats then you will see people like that always
just look at r5 lmao
10CC yea we buff so it's easier for non precise aim
stupid people bringing 4 hel rifles and wondering why the tank doesnt die quick enough
yea but hel rifle was good!!
i could never use hel rifle anyways
weapon just feels awful to me
i was always a hel gun enjoyer
even though it would somewhat fix pen
the rare time you find an experienced player using AR or SMG kek
were not that rare
10 vacations
AR has been solid for forever
experienced players can use any gun.. gun doesn't matter
Yep
either i bring what i like or compensate what my team lacking
I don't see any experienced player opting people to use AR over any other guns tho (aside from bullpup because reload)
because you see them telling people "play what you like and be good at it"
AR is solid but it's pickrate is still much lower
Ar pierce and damage increase easy clap
Didnt say anything about a buff but u do u
bullpup pen 3
Would make sense actually. It is a drum mag
1.0 reload speed
adding it next rundown
easy clap
Similar zoom levels but more so different designs of sights
rip to a real one
All because he didnt give him drugs before waking him up.
Hydrokinetic fluid
this is so sad, can i have sex with henrikson again
hell yea
give Klas Henrickson the Small circle Glasses and he will become the Kommandant
Mine deployer if you take it slow. Since you can reliably find cfoam nades in zone 50 (and sometimes 49)
Yeah you can also find explosive trip mines so bringing a burst sentry is better in a high roll. But mines can be spammed with all the tool and make your life easier
Burst sentry if you wanna go quick, mines arent reliable enough without foam nades.
Others said it already but
Hel reco and carbine
Both low reload, good dmg, quick to empty and fast kills
I rly rly rly recommend combat shotgun if you can use it well. Its the stopper for big waves here and can easily 1 tap smalls while keeping gianrs busy
Kite :^ )
Hell na
B-B-B-BUT MY BUCKLAND S870 PUMP SHOTGUN
snail shotgun :DDDDDDD
gun experts when reacting to GTFO weapons (they're unrealistic as hell)
Gun espurts wen snoipa
How do I walk like this? 
it's a bug to do with the ladder I think
I've had this happen from massive lag/desync. I spawned into the level just like that, with no weapons, tool or anything. You actually do have a normal looking run animation(I expected T-pose) where you can see your hands move. It was very disconcerting.
Drop the weapon to run faster, yeah?
Yeahh Dev should add a button to throw weapon and run faster
π
Gotta run fast
someone will absolutely use this feature to drop their weapons and melee only the enemy
and then said "Fuck stamina" every 2 minutes

The mapper got scrapped 100% or there's a chance of seeing it in R8?
99% scrapped it has never actually been mentioned since the game is playable
they keep working on it througout the rundowns
but never any progress
lmao
it has been mentioned
doc brought it up a few times about how it was still planned to release
Hmm, must have missed that. I don't believe it though
Where did Doc go anyway? I remember them becoming a somewhat controversial figure, and one day they werent on here anymore
Just not on the server anymore, people bullied him into leaving lol
Also D0c talked about us being able to customise weapons and tools :) btw
Which is not in game (yet?)
What would the mapper actually Do though
Yeah the mapper is in that kind of territory for me
You have a map and they reused the same tiles over and over
Well if I remember correctly Simon commented on Reddit that they wanted to make the Mapper different from the Biotracker, give it a different purpose (this was years ago)
Aaaand also one of the game designers (Hjalmar, I'm really sorry if I'm fucking up the name) said something about the mapper in their twitch devstream after R6 released
But I can't remember exactly what.
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you charge it up like bio and when it fully charged, it show you the layout of the tile behind the door, can contain boxes/lockers and enemy
If it has no purpose then no reason to put time on it. They need to find a unique purpose that has value for the player
No value since it's always the same tiles
the value here is knowing what type of enemy behind the door, but that's it
bio do it better in every way, except being cinematic
it'd be nice for newbies
That is pretty useless
it was more useful IF the devs didn't change the bio
More like you gonna have pubs say don't bring that shit all the time
I like being biotracker and c-foam sounds fun
so, movement tracker - only track enemy that's moving
mapper - show you the location of the sleeping enemy and tile layout
they changed movement tracker into bio tracker and now it just best of both world
And they saw that separated. They both had no real value so they combined it
Im new so I dont know the difference
i could show you the difference
Just got introduced to it with both c-foam and biotracker
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I started like yesterday and actually familiar with the command prompt
"It couldn't hold its own in competition with the other tools. Each tool has to be more or less equally as useful as the others to be justified.
As it were, the "mapper" only helped map the environment, and since the geometry of the environment doesn't change from attempt to attempt, players would use the mapper on the 1-2 first attempt tops (if at all) so we shelved it in order to make the game lean design-wise.
As mentioned, we've been toying with the idea of adding more abilities to the mapper to make it more useful. It could become a tool for the designated group leader, who calls the shots and puts waypoints in 3D space for the rest of the team to follow. Also, it could reveal where there are resources, since that's sort of part of the environment. I think that would make it a pretty attractive tool."
But, you know, this could've changed since then. We can only dream.
the thing is
if the game was more exploring then "doing objective" then it could have been useful
Terminal also give you the resources thing
the exploring part is buried a lot
So again mapper still has no purpose
and the error alarm
this tbh
unless they introduce levels that randomize
Would be use once or twice then dropped because it's the same tiles
it looked cool
"yes" and then never use it again
people would only use it for making video or just straight up meme
Useless Time sink for devs really at this point
even with the movement tracker alone (not bio), it already useful
it can tag enemy which is the only thing you need
i would say, the mapper will be heavily CHEESED
since you can just use it on a door, seeing fully where the head of the enemy are, make a gap on the door and shoot
you can do it without the mapper, but you can see the highlight of the enemy
What he got in the last 2 days sure but theres no way he didnt deserve it
When r2
For the emperor!
Full release game without private lobbies
Amazing
Wait what. How can a game like that not have private lobbies?
because engineering
I just say it is what it is and jump into whatever shit group matchmaking throws me into
No option to host a p2p lobby neither kekw
Careful now, no one deserves that.
If you believe so
I do.
But yeah not even crafting system its completed yet
But the premium cosmetic shop is kekw
There is always a reason for hate to arise. So there is a reason why people hated him. π€·
Else hate wouldnt exist
Yeah but denying that There wasnt a reason is idiotic
It is like trying to deny reality
Now was it a valid reason is another subject entirely
He knows, we knows, just doing his job
are we gonna
No
I don't remember khepri shooting his brains out with a shotgun thoπ€
too long didn't read
all i'm saying is, congratulation or feel bad that happen

Gtfo level where the entire objective is to make it from one side of a massive desert segment to the other, and itβs dotted with resource deposits
oh god
Like a long R7C2 sequence

Mad max in this bitch
Whole of R8 is on destination
I might be okay with that
When Do we get a level with no resources. You just have what you dropped in with
For the whole level
a true E level
The issue with that would just be that itβd either be short or the enemies would be too easy
If R8 is the end( and it highly likely is) I am expecting to get all the way down to the ship
R8 E tier be like: "The warden detect the prisoner is fucking with the system, time to kill them all"
You drop with 2 uses ammo and 3 uses tool per player.... That can last you for quite some time
the Warden flys down like Jesus and starts chanting Bible segments to deal damage to everyone
but Henrikson being the "engineer" and actually dropping all the KSO operators and then a small text read: "GTFO.... 2"
bruv

stop
i'm an engineer
NO
somehow you had an idea worse than mine
i mean most of those are due to stuttering
I played a little bit of it. Itβs alright
yeah but apparently game does not have alot going for it either :/
shame was expecting mmore
from what ive heard the game is still good
Your mistake was expecting something in this Day an age
wait from what is that?
I have no clue
heavy focus on repetitive melee. They went the dead space way of HUD except you can't read it in combat cause its so small. Cheap jump scares. lacks atmosphere of Dead space. all enemie types boil down to one type. Horrendous performance.
But yes it is still recommended and I will get it. in a year or so
i mean comparing it do dead space is fine, since ya know
But i never expected a game of dead space 1-2s level
I mean the devs did :p
those had a very unique new way of combat at the time with super cool gameplay and story ontop of a great atmosphere
I know
story apparently is great tho so .... yeej ! π
i mean ill judge myself
game definetly isnt a "flop"
its just not reliably playable rn
same in one year
one year?
Well, i expect mixed, but jesus christ.
I really donβt understand that world view. We are talking about stuff that happened around a game. Sure, mistakes were made but they were also excuses, explanations and so forth. But some people couldnβt let it go and I canβt condone that kind of behaviour. We are all responsible for our actions and no way it was proportionate in the end.
Theres quite often reasons for hate
But saying that someone deserves that is not the same
There is ALWAYS a reason for hate
If you literally SEARCH for it.
That is just a fact of life
People just going to dig a reason to hate something everytime.
not gonna lie, every place you go someone's gonna tell you that place X is a cesspit
"come on, what did you expect?"
this is true
I do not know anything really bad
and the only thing is that Doc wanted to get the modding software banned? I think
I really donβt agree. Or, rather, maybe the person hating sees a reason but I wouldnβt personally see that all hate has a valid reason. Case in point: racism. But we are getting philosophical on a Friday. We can agree to disagree on hatred and peopleβs need to share that.
Itβs my Elden Ring
i never said it was valid or not. just that there IS a reason
You're literally the Doom guy over there
so my statement is not wrong
Well, if we are talking about Iβd hate is valid or not, sure. And I think we disagree on the validness in this situation
I really donβt mind. But I like the reference, Doom was my favourite game for decades
would it be subjective then to hate someone for their opinion?

Didnβt say so
Why did you start again
I see the world differently, and without including the valid part, one could jump to conclusion. Hate is a complicated matter.
just a philosophical discussion on a friday. nothing bad here
I guess there is no objective hate.
Jesus lmao
Every single fucking frame checks if the game is pirated or something
So any idea when Alt R2 is going to drop? Really hoping that I can make some drops this weekendβ¦ π¬
they just put out a dev leak, so the hype train is blowing its whistle, but hasn't left the station
I Hope itβs after my exams are done
"good heavens theres a creature sleeping in my castle"
"oh my goodness! we must flee the hell out of the castle before we all fall victim to these monsters!"
FTHO
instead of placing sentries we placing automatic magic bows that shoot magic arrows
"This is quite humongous!"
get on the magic circle!
"Sounds like we stirred up their hive!"
"Prepare yourselves my brothers, they are coming!"
that's definitely something woods would say
i forgot he calls them brothers
HACKETT??!!!
WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU
HACKETT!!!!
Oh no they yassified my angry man
they ruined hackett's masculine irish hotness
hackett would be hot anyway
i would love if we had merch of the characters
imagine a hackett plushie
its a sacrifice i'm willing to make
When r2
when r2
shut the fuck up
when r3?
die
R2-3 double drop coming soon
a pox upon your house
wHen r2
double Drop deniers in shambles
once again into the cooplex
the coomplex is a place of misery

December π
this is unbelievably cool
How r2
nice
Who is r2 and why do people want them?
A lie, r2 will never come.
Wrong
Trong
Wrong
Drong
I'll let you figure this riddle out
Figure it out
I'll be as vague as possible until you figure this out
L
Its probably some dumb anwser like time,love or a hole
Is it a book then?
A magazine?
No
A diary?
It relates to this sentence
OOOH
Something is wrong in that sentence
nooo
Let me use my encyclopedia
D:
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I've won the riddles
no
Food
I likes the food
It is not the word food
but the word feed in the sentence is close to the error
in terms of position
To?
not to but also close
the error isnt to
End of joke
no
I get it now
What is itr
I didnt use capital letters
Is it the language right?
I'll give you literally the largest hint
Can i have another tip?
I give up on you
Banned forever
Doesnt seem as such
Maybe just some random ping
Meesa da queen of ridles
yes
r2e1 ex anyone?
I keep Seeing Reference to R2, Was there an update?
no but it will be out this month

who r2?
me
how r2
irrelevant
when r2
I've deciphered it
in the dev leaks, they said they would rerelease alt r2 in december
december 2028 r2 drop confirmed
π«‘
need the intern to reroll more map seeds
while GTFO2 is in the making
"GTFO2"
Gtfo2is about 4 dwarfs mining into a space rock and fighting bugs
yo that sounds fucking rad
it would super cool if they made the caves procedurally generated
@deft kiln rock and stone, and all that.
This is so sad, can we manually reroll the seed to get the map that we want
i wish that we could date scouts
imagine the possibilities with that many tentacles
just clean off those boils
take a shower
and put a bag over their head
Sir, do not fuck the sleeper
i gonna fuck a scout and no one is going to stop me
why do people want to have sex with the strikers
they're horrible deformed
they don't even have fingers
zox
dont take away my hope
if people want to sleep with the sleepers i am on the table
YOU'D BE FUCKING INFECTED PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING
smh
fair i guess
when r2
shut up
I would be surprised if there is a single thing on earth that humans haven't tried to have some kind of sexual intercourse with
me
makes sense
dinosaurs
your third eye opened
clearly you haven't watched Jurassic World
i mean on the table works, if its a scout under the table is on the table too
talking about real life dumi
i mean technically speaking birds are just smaller dinosaurs
crocodiles and alligators are descendants of dinosaurs
so they've definitely fucked the dinosaur family
but dinos themselves nah
at least not when they were alive
@past bough when r2??????
looks like we need to invent time machines
i hope on your next e1 attempt the scout wakes up because of the bugged door
you already covered that for me
damn
xD
lmao
but can you tell drg devs to make haz5 what it used to be
current haz5 is genuinely boring and a soulless husk compared to what it was
old haz5 had at least 2x the spawn rate, 2x the wave size, 2x swarm size
it was tryhardy ish to defend but satisfying as heck
or they can alter their spawn system because the current one only spawns 3 disruptive enemies from the pool, which is why you only see 3 of them in an expedition(web shooters, acid spitters, menace, mactera spawn, grabber, rolly polly, etc)
are you in the correct server?
yeah they are talking about gtfo 2
yes gtfo 2 is the drg killer
you mean PayDay 3
I'm so bored right now I could unironically play DRG
no payday 3 is made by overkill software which is bought by starbreeze
i'm looking forward to payday -2 tho
play drg where bullets of mercy gk2 is the better version of executioner smart rifle
If it fits i sits
Hey guys is the alternative rundown 2 for the game Get The Fuck Out released yet?
they said december.
but not what year
so ........π
December 31st
they drop 2 new logs on santonian website
so might be next week
either 8th of december or 15th of december
Rip, people kept telling me it would be the 1st but it wasn't
people were coping
Indeed
Yeah it's most likely next week. Unless they drop more logs
sometime December
R2 is fun but more excited for the misery of 3
2024
With even worse infection
Wut?? R3 was piss ez
It has been so long I remember little. Wasn't only the final level of R2 really hard?
walked a bit too much out in the sun have Yah guvnah?
R3 is harder than R2??? 
R2 was way harder than R3.
clearly they are more skilled than us
Like R3 has R3D1 as a challenge. that's it
Ah
they know something about R3 that we don't
Maybe I am thinking of 4 being more annoying for me, but that's also because I didn't have the time then to complete it
Now with 4 we talking. yes that's where difficulty went up
Actually right
I never did 3
It was 4
Only rundown I completely missed entirely was 3 as I recall now
3 was very short as well
okay that's just funny
I was bogged down by university at the time lol
sorry about that, it wasn't the first
it'll be today

really looking forward to the R3 release, it was the rundown where I got into the game :D. We struggled so hard we couldn't even do the C levels xD. I am curious to see how things have changed ^^
you mean R4? R3 came out yesterday

C level * was only one C level in R3
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Team I bring an important question to the gtfo spoiler chat. when r2
gtfo players stop asking for r2 for 1 hour challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG) (GONE SEXUAL) (WE DIDN'T GET THE FUCK OUT)
everytime we ask for r2, they delay it by 3 hours
When r2 when r2 when r2
how's r2
r2 isn't doing so well locked up in its cage, we need to let it out
wait didn't r2 have the weird cell cluster that changed the fog levels everytime you put in a cell
a or b tier level iirc
D1
oh lol why did i think it was a or b
then the others can be in the 2 blood door zones, 9 or 10 scouts zone
key zone, the 2 class 4 zones
can't wait to see how they nerf the shit outta that one π
lmfao no wayyyy\
sniper sentry
back in r2, you have a 30 dmg sniper with no precision multi, so it does poo poo dmg
also r5 mines
and they changed blood door mechanics
i mean yeah experience and all that but i absolutely do not remember r1 being that easy lmao
ammo counts too though? the resources seem insane. we do have crazy guns now
I mean you could run around forever pre R6 made a lot of shit easier
the only thing that is actually insanely stronger is the tools
litteraly all of them (bar shotgun sentry) got giga buffs
r1 overall was just a run in and hammer everything tho outside of c1 and d1 i guess
ah yes
shotgun sentry (bug) got nerfed into sniper sentry 
but tbh, id rather use sniper sentry + bio than shotgun sentrys
a lot more reliable and doesnt need a bug to work
i mean if they aren't going to lock loadouts since they were balanced around them, especially based on how they worked at the time, just like double the enemies or something cause r1 has absolutely no replayability. waste of time
i am mad about video games
Man shouts at windmill
r1 never had replayability in the sense a lot of people seem to shit talk the alt version rn
then again. for me it has quite a bit
tho tbh speedrunning just makes the levels more exciting for me
that's why i'm mad, i mean this to me means 'we are going to make it harder' but it's literally just a few tilesets that are different
i mean yeah?
i also thought theyd do more
but i understand the approach to not changing it up massively
well how much can you add to r1
they put in hybrids (tho imo they should have way higher spawn chances in both c1 and d1)
if you add too much its not rly r1 anymore
the only way i couldve seen them rly make levels harder is by adding optionals
but that was probably too much effort sadly
you didn't like 40% of the spawns is now occupied by giants/hybrids in d1 alarms
new dangers bro
40% ?
hybrids rarely spawn
giants spawned before
but what do you wanna add as new dangers?
giant chargers? people would say its cheap
mom/dad? yeah sure
if you have no clue
extra optionals and minor changes (at least for r1) wouldve been the only way
i hate hybrids
@broken scarab is r2e1 error alarm gonna be the same or is it gonna be seeded to always spawn behind the player?
Please do take the chance to rework some of the maps flaws and issues from r2 and onwards

PR will be nerfed to 4 shots and reload increased to 5.5 
π
Gonna buff carabine
my personal feelings are that none of the alt rundowns will live up to the originals because they lack the essence that made each rundown unique
solo holds it with sniper sentry
u know that's quite a big nerf to the map, right?
i mean enemys spawning on scouts isnt rly difficulty
Just replace error waves with chargers 
R4A2 Overload moment
a single person will be able to hold the waves for like 10 minutes removing any pressure
that is, if they are too lazy to hammer and just shoot
wasnt the wave size in the 6+ after 10 minutes?
yeah have fun holding that solo with all the unlimited ammo
that's a single revo mag
my ego is not sufficiently boosted
not to mention you can go cringe and triple hammer it 
so the same shit as before?
why are you even complaining then
like you could do the same fuckin thing back then
except you needed to save doors
just with the point of them spawning in front with next to no skill expression outside of waiting
and kill scouts π
nah, you could always just kill the spawned waves and shoot better right?
its only like 10 enemys more. so why cry
a max of 2 revolver mags
2 is more than 1 in my book
oh no! instead of 10 min you now hold 9:00
shiiiit
you want them to also give us trashy flashlights again so its impossible to see past 1 1/2 meters sometimes?
oh yeah and burst sentry that misses any crawler
man that was SKILL expressive
do you always assume random shit about people on the internet?
or is that only here?
hey at least im still having fun with the game
and aint crying like a toddler about everything
π
Canβt say Iβve seen panda crying about everything but
like, holy
i also criticize the devs. But some people are just insufferable
Whatever u say
this isnt to panda per se, its happening so fucking often about the tiniest things
and the funniest shit is when some people cry about 1 thing
devs actually do smth against it
and then the same people (or some others) cry that they fixed that thing
except that's not a fix, it's design change that makes level easier
i mean like, there's some stuff thats different that's 'easier' but also way less annoying
like remember the old fog? lol
fixing bad rng out of it is good
theres times where forward spawns actually make it exciting. But id rather have them take them away from R2E1 and make it more difficult in another way
i doubt they will do that (sadly enough lol) but id rather have a fixed version over hoping i dont get shit rng
old fog didn't steal my frames as much though
i mean if someone wants to meme on the devs, then meme r7d1 π€‘
they fixed like 5 major bugs already and it still has twice as many left 
true
multiple enemy spawn is part of the game π
but yeah. sorry about that outrage panda
shit day yesterday and some people on here legit behave like kids sometimes (well some probably are actually in that age range)
you can either hope you don't get shit rng or play around it
or you could nerf the level so you don't have to do either
best way is to take rng away and exchange it for a more balanced difficulty
you are calling people kids
say, enemies ramping up quicker. more scouts, more enemys etc (as examples)
what the 
also i legit see no connection here
kids are naive in general, that's the connection
did i say that i think thats what theyll do
i said thats what i would think is the best way of doing it
id be far more worried about r2d2
the whole level becomes soft if they only spawn from 1 path
i'd rather have practical thinking than dreams
especially on last surge alarm zone push, them spawning ahead while having the room ahead packed can be quite intense
losing doors prematurely for careless pushes too
this sentence makes no sense in the context of what i am saying
since im not dreaming of them doing it
i very much doubt it
this is true
that doesn't add to the reality of altR2 though
there is no reality of altr2 rn
changing a single number to alter spawn direction might happen, changing whole error will not
in likelyhood of said change happening, i very much agree
@boreal tendon do you think that they should at least prevent scouts spawning inside blood door rooms so that they immediately wake up when the blood door opens?
yes
but not sure if they are able to (at least i am not). You set spawns per zone, not per room
truth
@boreal tendon theres always been rooms with 0 or next to 0 spawn chances for enemys tho
r1a1 is a good example actually
scouts dont spawn in a or b
could they work of that?
in a purely conceptual sense, I mean
It really isnt
it's a nerf, but not a significant one for players who are in e tier
Waves stack up pretty quickly and also it removes the stupid rng thats not skillfull at all
not sure what rooms you mean
also man, i love how some people appearantly think that me having grinded eval means, that i think of myself as a skilled player for that
shows you more about them then theyd think π€‘
see r1a1 zone 50
uhh i could send a map if you want
You grinded eval? What for?
ill manage
speedrun
Grinded eval, what the hell?
i was trying to get a quicker time. Same as wesley
i mean... all levels are time gated? 
thats how time ... works
@boreal tendon So do you think that there is a significant difference between removing scouts from blood door rooms and stopping sleepers spawning ahead during error alarms? if so, please explain
petitioning to pause split timer on zone doors as they are time gates
i mean. significant? maybe not too much
blooddoor scouts mostly are decently hard to avoid (especially in rush scenarios)
front error spawns can at least (mostly) be worked around by waiting for a spawn i guess?
running distances is also time gated! please pause the timer for those aswell
first, there is technical thing. Second, scout is a one-time only thing without any pressure and you can easily set up for it. Front wave breaking a door ahead has infinitely more implications
but yeah
scouts behind blood doors should technically be possible to work around
unless them not spawning in specific rooms for some zones is totally random (kinda doubt that with all the number stuff going on)
so front waves should stay a thing because they are worse for the player and harder to deal with the consequences of?
yes
i guess they should also make scout waves affected by spawn bias too!
as well as alarm waves!
they're all same concepts, it's unskillful to be affected by rng!
use a checkpoint and seed remains 
I love forwards spawn, the consequences are the most skillfull thing in the world
You sit and wait for thw spawn to come at you and then wait for the next spawn to see if you push or not!
Increadivly difficult
Oh God they spawned in the d2 charger zone oh God i have to wait oh God they spawned again oh no oh dear oh God
Seed that sucker
@prisma zodiac just spawned in r1a1, got scout in b of zone 50
pic?
ive legit never seen that with at least over 200 attempts in said level
so knowing it could happen would be good info @boreal tendon
actually it's c, my bad
"I think forward spawns are tedious and more annoying than difficult"
"sO YoU want EveRTHInG tO bE sEEdED tHEN?"
yes i want all enemys to only run at me in a straight line
enemys are also in a straight line in front of me
no more variation
also only 1 enemy type
why yes i do believe rng is part of the difficulty and replayability
it's about improvisation
Ah yes the improv of sitting on my ass
if I flip a coin and get tails does that mean I'm bad?
Yeah but there's a difference between spawn rng, and having to pause game play to wait for a forward spawn to walk to you so it doesn't scream a room awake
man badger you sure would want them to also randomize ressources then right?
like lets have the chance for ammo to only spawn on extraction 
That isn't fun
Because one stupid wave spawn further and now i either gotta wait or push back a room or two
pretty sure that was the thinking of everyone who was tryharding R2E1 back in the day
3 use 
nah
you now get the 6 use ammo only on the forward extract scan since you like rng so much
yes? since you had to?
i know about every single game mechanic, therefore I see no change in difficulty between front and back waves, only boredom
that was exactly everyone's thought
Then why would you want a mechanic that makes the game boring
so now there is no difficulty change?
aha
i am merely sarcastically quoting others π
ah text makes it hard to see that sometimes
You gotta use quotations for that buddy
Like this
"I personally prefer tedious mechanics shrouded as difficulty because I have no understanding of what fun is"
yes, it won't make much difference for vets. Vets don't really play vanilla with 4 stacks to get challenged though
so you want it there exclusively to fuck over less expierenced players?
So it doesn't make a difference, but when it does it's annoying
it does for new players
New players won't get far enough to experience these issues π
pretty sure they will
Gaslighting!!!!
i dont see how r4a2 overload is suddenly fun with forward spawn
it just means "do we get room + scout or not"
Thats not an opinion I was able to catch that nice try π€
i mean they could always make it only forward spawn if you like that so much for r4a2 ovl 
pretty sure they coulnd't 
Technically a spawn wave in the direction you're looking is a forward spawn π€


well i guess people do want a streamlined experience, when there's quite a few scenarios where an error alarm with a spawn bias makes it less chaotic and fun
but that's just me
Do you wait for forward spawns
not really
i mean after 4 thousand hours id expect any streamlined part to be boring lol
in an optimal world it would depend on the situation in a level
but we do know that wont happen
Gotta love how we were shitting of forward spawns for like 2 years
And now its like nah
I wanna play the waiting game again
Fuck that
Give me seeded r2e1
Suck my big donkey kong Di
it does speed up level completions by at least 10-20 mins
pretty sure you can get it yourself with changing one number in the datablocks
The same level you played 50 times when the 2 use ammo pack has moved π±
r3c1 but you send a man to shoot error while the other 3 find hsu
r3d1 but you send sniper man to shoot giant and hammer error while the other 3 find key
Maybe add actual functional game variety other than things moving around and spawning awkwardly
except, it's not gonna happen
r4a2 ovl, but you send a man kill 2 wave size error while the other 3 clear the 2 scouts
so i'd prefer to have those things moving around instead of not having them
at least
r4b2pe but you send a revolver to kill the 3 wave size error while the other 3 does everything
r4c3 but you send choke mod to kill charger wave while the other 3 does everything
r4d2 but you cfoam the entire shadow error
NOOO
holy fuck yes
r4e1 but 2 people just nuke tank
R5a1 but someone is standing in the spawn zones to stop spawns
r5a3 but you can rush all the giants in key zone
R5c1 but someone is standing in the spawn zones to stop spawns
r5b2 but you don't need to worry about osip zones and high giant cell zone
r5b3 but you just have hel gun/rifle deal with chargers while the other 3 finds key
Thank you for clarifying π
r5c3 would actually be fun tho
r5e1 but you just have 2 people hammer the 6 wave size error
cell skip becomes 3x easier too
you can't cfoam the wave now, because they spawn elevator side
well not until you reach extract
then you cfoam that
Suck my donkey kong @ss
The wise tree has spoken
ass
He can't swear (he will be permabanned)
What's your opinion on the spear fetus deletus
r5c1 maybe also good
but people usually clear the cocoon waves
now the shadow giant from ex doesn't cause minor chaos
Fetus deletus do you have an opinion on the melee weapon the spear
r5c1 was a terrible level
no
Hold on let me stand in the spawns
player choice
good for floodways
The best player choice is to choose not to play the game
r5c1 probably best floodways level
hell yeah
it's a player choice to install the game
π
The illusion of player choice
The illusion of player
π choice 1 choice 1
you will uninstall gtfo for cyberpunk payday
I can't wait to play another early access
do you think they will pull a payday beep


