gtfo-spoiler-chat

[thin palm]

Guys, is the R7C3 without the ammo?

[nocturne flax]

Reach the armory

Youll find ammo there

[thin palm]

that's on the 10m scan, right?

[nocturne flax]

Should be after terminal uplink trough a blood door afair

[thin palm]

kk, thanks

[glass mirage]

You can smuggle some ammo in if you use a booster that gives you some

[knotty barn]

that actually works? 😄

[atomic escarp]

Boosters that give bonus staring ammo works

Same for tool

And for mine deployer you need more than 25%

[tough badger]

the fog in r7c2 seems to be a little messed up

[deft kiln]

Oo what is happening with it

[tough badger]

first zone is really hazy and then no infectious fog rose during the ventilation sequence

gonna see if it happens again

[deft kiln]

Werid

[tough badger]

very

it sure did happen again

it's like the level is permanently stuck in the fog-clearing animation

[glass mirage]

Yeah I've encountered that bug too. Not completely sure what causes it, did you load a checkpoint by any chance?

I'm definitely not complaining about it, it made overload a hell of a lot easier

[tough badger]

nah we haven't gotten to a checkpoint yet, this is starting from drop

[glass mirage]

I'm not sure then. For us it only happened once we loaded a checkpoint, but after that it stayed like that

Not like we would've had the fog for much longer anyways, but still

[tough badger]

usually it's not bugged so the clearing animation is playing though
it's actually like 3x as foggy as it normally is it's just not infectious

[deft kiln]

Ummm I think fog settings can get preserved from level to level sometimes

But it is odd because that is also a fog update scan so it should fix itself

[tough badger]

first cells are in and it's still busted lmfao

ironically checkpointing may have fixed it 🤔

[lavish wyvern]

Obligatory

Where rundown two?

Thank you

[deft kiln]

DECEMBER 2023

[lavish wyvern]

Obligatory funny of the day

[lavish wyvern]

Butt when?

Funy deployed

Rundown 8 is gonna be released on summer of 2024

Betting 10 bucks on it

Im not joking im just betting

Rundown 4 is gonna be on july 2023

Rundown 5 december 2023

[robust marsh]

damn you got some copium i can use?

[lavish wyvern]

Again this is just predictions

[lavish wyvern]

Have sum cumpium

[robust marsh]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

is that like a new drug or something?

[lavish wyvern]

Yes i made it

I used my own farm

[robust marsh]

noice

[paper harness]

where r2?

[earnest marten]

next month

[astral ferry]

how r2?

[pliant pasture]

Why R2?

[tough badger]

wherefore art thou, r2?

[deft kiln]

What r2

[onyx whale]

R2 D2

[mellow creek]

when r8

im getting old literally

[pliant pasture]

mee too kid

[paper harness]

Where gtfo 2?

[boreal tendon]

r2e1 0.99
r4e1 2.03
r5e1 3.86
r7"e"1 5.72

[errant vigil]

Can’t wait for R2E1 to have a higher percentage even with stamina

[prisma zodiac]

i mean people have gotten way better at the game lol

[strange junco]

damn almost 6 percent

[prisma zodiac]

is r7e1 the easiest e level? Yep

[mortal granite]

last i heard, people are disgusted that R2E1 has lowered than 1% success rate

saying the game is shit if only less than 1% people beat the level

it's a lose lose situation now

[prisma zodiac]

[boreal tendon]

almost like game difficulty doesn't progress and does something else instead

[prisma zodiac]

damn hollow knight must be shit then aswell

[mortal granite]

totally

your game being hard? get shit on
your game being easier? get shit on

we live in a society

[prisma zodiac]

your game being the same? get shit on

[mortal granite]

deep rock gonna have a word with that

[lost holly]

Well people will always complain, you cant avoid that. Its important to make sure to listen to the critique that actually relates to how you want the game to go as a developer and not listen to crybabies

Its supposed to be a hard game so people who want it to be easier quite ironically are in the wrong genre

[wary olive]

wait that stat is % of successful runs, not % of players that cleared right?

[last gust]

I believe so

[broken scarab]

% of players

[plush basin]

% of the players that attempted the level at any point?

[robust marsh]

overall or those who attempted it

i feel like thats a very important part of it

[plush basin]

Seems very high if its overall

[robust marsh]

also are we counting all the runs

or players who did failed runs than beat it

and does beating it multiple times count as well or not

or failing multiple time

[plush basin]

Well if its players and not successful runs then that answers a lot of those right?

[robust marsh]

well no

cause there is alot of failed runs

but also someone who failed

has prop beaten it after

[plush basin]

so that player would count as having beaten it then

[robust marsh]

does his failier also count?

[plush basin]

no

[paper harness]

this is so sad, can captain alpha please down his teammates and long kite back to spawn

[robust marsh]

ok so we only need what player

played or overall all players who have gtfo

[plush basin]

Yes

[robust marsh]

alright now we have to wait for answers

[broken scarab]

Of those who attempted. 1 player attempting E1 = one tick.

[plush basin]

interesting

this is a way better stat than on total clears

[robust marsh]

does a person doing multiple attempts count as multiple ticks?

[broken scarab]

So, if a player runs E1 ten times, of which they succeed 1, the stat would be 10 % clears

[plush basin]

ah...

[robust marsh]

ahhh

[plush basin]

so its still clears, not players then...

[robust marsh]

seems like it

[broken scarab]

But it's clears per player, not clears per group

[plush basin]

what difference does that make when its all added up?

[robust marsh]

its harder to count lobbies

than players

if i remember the log system currectly

it counts players attempting rundown ID and level ID or something

[broken scarab]

Yes, and what would happen if a player joins late, or quits mid-run?

[robust marsh]

you can't count it

you can only count players attempt

[broken scarab]

Yup

[robust marsh]

so group clears are mostly impossible

unless you are a madman

and try to make sense of the log system

aka doc

[broken scarab]

Not impossible, but unnecessary complicated

[robust marsh]

i think you have to check lobby IDs

and which ones match one another

is that correct?

i may be really wrong

[broken scarab]

Yea, something like that. I am no database wizard

[robust marsh]

true anyway thanks for the answer

[broken scarab]

NP

[mortal granite]

seem like R2E1 could be possible with bot

[paper harness]

this is so sad, can we get captain alpha downing his teammates to long kite to spawn

[nocturne flax]

he dont even need to long kite

he just gonna shoot you

no tought

[hexed vapor]

Was gonna say.

[mortal granite]

no second thought

[hexed vapor]

Still think R2E1 will be harder w/ stam, but not that hard.

Hearing people talking about nerfing R2E1 is wild, like bro.

Some levels can be hard sometimes.

Kind of the game.

[mortal granite]

r2e1 will be like R7C1 , unless they didn't change the error alarm rng

[nocturne flax]

pro tip: you can beat r2e1 without kiting

stamina will do jack shit

[robust marsh]

🤯

[mortal granite]

you always on walking speed anyway

[hexed vapor]

Omg, no way, impossible.

[real moss]

you LYING 😭😭

[nocturne flax]

i dont understand the overfixation on stamina

[hexed vapor]

The devs intended for kiting, they have to completely redesign the levels.

[nocturne flax]

it ddidnt do nothing but limit the amount of kills on your hammer

you had infinite before

[robust marsh]

ayo levels being redesigned for real?

[real moss]

whi h is still the most OP mêlee 😏

[nocturne flax]

now you get like 8-9 kills unless you jump like a dumbass

[nocturne flax]

yeah wich makes it even more funny

like how the fuck are you playing this game so badly that stamina its actually getting in the way

[real moss]

Honestly since stam was added. I have not changed the way I play the game so I dunno

[mortal granite]

but garfield, you're bad

[nocturne flax]

it really didnt affect anything in the grand scheme of things

[real moss]

no no I agree with him for once

[mortal granite]

stam do jack shit to anyone that "shoot enemy, win game"

[nocturne flax]

better than you, by simply playing the game and not going afk in a reactor

or an error

or loading the game

[mortal granite]

i'm boosting my teammate skill

[nocturne flax]

STOP GOING AFK

[mortal granite]

by going afk man

[real moss]

grabs popcorn 👀

[mortal granite]

they have to adapt to the situation

they should have kited

[hexed vapor]

It's a training exercise for later in the level.

[mortal granite]

man, back in the day, when i trained new player in my team, i would just lead them in a packed room, climb onto some cheese spot and alert the room

instantly got better

they can clear wave by themself

[hexed vapor]

I am super curious how many D2 clears there are, though.

We may never know.

[paper harness]

this is so sad, can we long kite to spawn

[half hornet]

Well some people believe that instead of shooting you should kite the horde for 30 minutes around a pillar and just slowly grind them with a hammer

[hexed vapor]

W8, I'm just realizing, those B-tier clear-rates are actually wild.

Checkpoints don't make the game easier btw.

[mortal granite]

B tier hardstuck are basically newbies

[hexed vapor]

20% tho

holy fuck

[atomic escarp]

it is low indeed

[hexed vapor]

And on B3

No, it's high

really high.

Check R1-R5

[atomic escarp]

r5 is much much lower than r7

well its supposedly the hardest

[hexed vapor]

Yeah, but even R2 highest I'm seeing is under 14%.

R7 is apparently getting smoked, presumably because CPs.

[atomic escarp]

numbers of players then vs now might have something to do with it

[atomic escarp]

cp bugs?

[plush basin]

CPs are gonna skew the stats a lot

[hexed vapor]

Just having CPs

[plush basin]

What could be 5 attempts if resetting from the start just becomes one successful attempt if people restart from an early checkpoint enough

[atomic escarp]

i see what you mean

[plush basin]

Would be interesting to compare with Alt R1 which is a lot easier but doesn't have checkpoints

[hidden crater]

granted, it doesnt need checkpoints due to its very short levels

[chilly ivy]

The game never needed checkpoints, period.

[atomic escarp]

but my bot runs 🥺

[hidden crater]

but i do because im bad

[boreal tendon]

i don't think so, the guns are so much fucking stronger now

hel shotgun + combat shotgun = 26 stagger shots and that's just one person

[hexed vapor]

Stronger, but not that much stronger tbh.

And the ways the game has gotten harder affect R2E1 in specific way more than most things.

[prisma zodiac]

while i agree
again, do not forget that players have gotten better

r1 and r2 b tiers are definetly not harder than current r7

[boreal tendon]

sniper works, mg is overbuffed, helrevo and carbine exist

[hexed vapor]

Not harder, but you'd reset more often.

[prisma zodiac]

yes
but im thinking checkpoints aside

checkpoints definetly skew it tho

[real moss]

I would say that R2C2 will be the hard wall on R2 for new players

Or lets say Alt generation players

[hexed vapor]

Some AltR1 players are wild.

Gen-Alt?

[real moss]

😂 Gen -Alt is good

[plush basin]

Phase 2 players 🙂

[boreal tendon]

newfrogs

[real moss]

Yes some are not even clearing R1A1

But I mean you know: give them time 😅

[nocturne flax]

new generation of players

funnily enough people who started in r4 are actually more vocal and agressive for what i could tell

[mortal granite]

can you give me an example

[real moss]

yo are such a typical toxic R4 player

[mortal granite]

i'm the god of toxic

look at me on R2E1

[lost holly]

R4 players are the nicest 😌

Hater 😔

[obtuse cedar]

They joined at the peak of the game... Then it all went downhill after

:p

[mossy cloak]

hello

[kind swan]

lol... a lot of older Experienced players are based

[obtuse surge]

the levels that are played most in matchmaking have the highest clear rate

matchmaking deniers are in shambles

R4 players still thinking that R4 was the peak of the game

the rundown where they introduced enemies pushing eachother

[kind swan]

[mortal portal]

[silent kettle]

hes mad

[hidden crater]

R4 players when I make the shooters purple for no apparent reason (truly the peak of game design)

[mossy marsh]

R4 was the best rundown cause it introduced kiting

[obtuse surge]

real

[errant vigil]

unreal

[kind swan]

[jolly perch]

r4 was peak because of the burst cannon

same with r3

[obtuse surge]

you think coming out as gay is hard, try telling people you like the R3 burst cannon

[lavish wyvern]

Hey guys could someone help me on r8e2?

Its kinda hard

[kind swan]

[fallow wasp]

I can’t help ya I’m stuck on D5

[past bough]

try telling people you like the spear

[kind swan]

Me seeing newbies take Knife.

it's a Shame we don't see many Knife users headshot strikers/shooters left and right mid swarm

Hard to come by

[mortal portal]

Why use a knife when you can just hit a 3/8 charge on occiput?

With the hammer

[kind swan]

The effective way but it isnt the same as a knife

It's just that top knife gameplay but hardly any knife user can even do that

[vapid moon]

anyone know what was the message deleted in #game-announcements '

[kind swan]

nope.

[obtuse surge]

it was the date for R2

but the mods deleted it bro they are gatekeeping it from you

real

[kind swan]

Basically

December

Or yknow.

Next year

[mortal granite]

i can't believed the devs give us 2 rundowns in 2 months

[errant vigil]

2 rundowns with half the enemy types and a major mechanic missing

[obtuse surge]

kiting is missing 🙂

[errant vigil]

[twin dirge]

I vote for adrenaline shots in every level to make kiting easy

[kind swan]

Make Red needles more useful.

[twin dirge]

I had an idea of using them for instant resurrection

[nocturne flax]

Just remove the infection

lmao

[obtuse scaffold]

Be cool if the infection actually infected ya know

[brisk wraith]

?

[errant vigil]

Would be funny an stupid

R5E1 you turn into a sleeper before drop and lose immediately

[broken scarab]

The GTFO PvP Battle Royale mode. 100 player controlled sleepers, one AI prisoner with sledgehammer.

[twin dirge]

this is what all of you sound like with game suggestions ^^

[hidden crater]

Even better, a l4d2 style pvp, humans need to make it to a specific point, and occasionally you control a sleeper, sometimes a special one

[plush basin]

I wanna control a striker and choose when I glow

[real moss]

Fade away

[mortal granite]

be a dick and glow 2 times simultaneously

[plush basin]

hoo hoo

And if I ever wake up I'm gonna get myself stuck out of bounds so the player is in combat the rest of the level hehehe

[real moss]

#R6C1

One striker in the wall is asthma for y'all !

[nocturne flax]

im becoming a tank and just camp the security door

with my back against it

good luck killing me

[real moss]

Chinese hackers be like : FEEL THE POWER OF BEIJING !!!!

[nocturne flax]

homeboy 1 shots me with regular revo

[prisma zodiac]

eh
Its not that they cant. Its that its stupid to do so in any teamsetting since youll be going into the enemys which they are shooting at

And even in a solo, shooting first is a priority usually

[twin dirge]

NOO 💀

[obtuse scaffold]

Ngl a l4d mode could be cool

[bold widget]

no

[past bough]

the reactions on this message prove my point

spear haters (cringe) being absolutely bewildered at not being able to sprint while charging spear

[hidden crater]

I hate it when the hitbox is cartoonishly forgiving and lasts for 3 whole ass seconds

[atomic escarp]

spear

[past bough]

spear is cool

[hidden crater]

spear

[past bough]

me putting the spear up my ass after arguing about why it's good

[atomic escarp]

all melee's are cool everyone who disagree is a tryhard

🤨

[past bough]

if the melee can kill then it's good

knife mains when they play cod zombies where the knife is absolutely fucking garbage

[atomic escarp]

idk bout that one, might cause some damage

cod zombie is a gun play ground

[past bough]

it's easier to fit

[atomic escarp]

wym

[past bough]

depends what game
waw - bo2 had a lot of dogshit guns

[past bough]

uhh

[atomic escarp]

bullets still hurt so ill take it

[past bough]

just never take the smr

might as well shoot your asshole off at that point

[atomic escarp]

fair enough

[prisma zodiac]

all melees are useable
Spear is still the worst

what would you take the spear for aside from range. Its pierce is wonky as shit and it has nothing else for it

[hidden crater]

Damage and comically easy to hit with

It has pierce?

[prisma zodiac]

well yesnt

[atomic escarp]

in early R6 days it was fantastic

triple spear kill

[prisma zodiac]

also its base dmg is lower than hammer. The precision bonus never matters unless you want to stack boosters

Since you actually need to hit heads from the front its harder to hit with compared to hammer who can hit anywhere.

[prisma zodiac]

Holding waves with 4 spears

[atomic escarp]

I'd liked them to expand on that concept a bit, maybe tweaking idk

[hidden crater]

I mean, hitting heads isn't exactly difficult with melee in gtfo

[atomic escarp]

So it doesn't feel just overshadowed by everything else (or by hammer mainly)

[hidden crater]

Especially since you can just randomly swing the spear around and youll hit it

[prisma zodiac]

i dont mean in pure stealth btw

[hidden crater]

I know

Swing, spin the mouse around wildly, headshot

[prisma zodiac]

anytime outside of stealth if you miss even once its already far worse

hell, since you cant sprint theres no real repositioning or chasing

[hidden crater]

Just, find anything resembling a corner or minor cover

[prisma zodiac]

and then you randomly hit a body first, which registers and now you cant do a headshot anymore

[hidden crater]

Or a staircase

[hidden crater]

Ye but don't do that

Easier said than done but

Not by much

[prisma zodiac]

spear is never the best choice

[hidden crater]

Unless you don't like hammer

[prisma zodiac]

go into a level, run through 10 enemys and then spear them all

do the same with hammer

[hidden crater]

No why would I do that

[prisma zodiac]

then its not the best still
then its the most comfort

[hidden crater]

Ye

That's why I use spear

It pulls its weight, at least for me, and it's what I prefer by a landslide

Maybe equal to knife

But knife kinda feels worse in later levels

[prisma zodiac]

it pulls its weight as in, its fine to use

but theres no upside to it but its range.

[hidden crater]

Don't really use the range anyway

I agree

I use it for the hitbox forgiveness and my reliability with it compared to hammer

[prisma zodiac]

knife is the small killer. insane for solo speedrun and simply the best at this
bat while not rly the best at any "killing", has the light stagger spam + smash locks and doors with light taps (this is mostly useful for going quick)

hammer has WAY too much

[hidden crater]

Don't even need the spear model to hit the head

[prisma zodiac]

if spear gets a reliable pierce in 1 direction then it would have something

[hidden crater]

Yeah but we all remember last time it had something like that

Mfw a single swing clears the entire wave

[prisma zodiac]

yeah, thats why its not in anymore

and also why spear is the weakest melee

its like the precision rifle, if you wanna use it then thats fine. It can definetly do enough. But its easily the worst of its kind

[hidden crater]

But, all things considered, I absolutely see why hammer is more popular

I just personally prefer spear a lot more, and perform better with it

I do the stealth, I clear the enemies, I kill the scout, and I generally don't suck ass

[obtuse surge]

precision rifle still has a very specific use where it can outclass other weapons which is ranged at low visibility

[hidden crater]

It also feels great

[obtuse surge]

but most the time you have a bio tracker and low visibility isn't a thing anymore

[prisma zodiac]

well yeah
and spear still has its power in range

its literally impossible for giants to get on you

[hidden crater]

Yeah but that's usually a nothingburger when we stealth them

[prisma zodiac]

until an enemy is close. Or you fight chargers or giants 💀

[hidden crater]

Just, kill it, or right click

Half charge isn't that long on spear

But hammer would be better then in theory yes

[prisma zodiac]

oh i meant precision rifle

[hidden crater]

Oh

Lmao

My dumbass

Sorry

[prisma zodiac]

half charge?

[hidden crater]

Ye on spear

[prisma zodiac]

half charge for what?

[hidden crater]

Regular enemies

[atomic escarp]

K-Kanye West on spear?

[hidden crater]

Don't work for giants ofc

[hidden crater]

Death

[prisma zodiac]

i mean i was talking about chargers and giants

[hidden crater]

Oh

Yea just stunlock em with half charges to head

[prisma zodiac]

i was like, what do you wanna half charge with a spear there?

[hidden crater]

I panic and half charge their heads to stun em

Horrible idea

[prisma zodiac]

there goes the only dmg of the spear

[hidden crater]

Oops 5% left on phone

Gtg

[prisma zodiac]

bye

[vapid moon]

💀

[pliant pasture]

he used the word cool, he knows what he's doing, and he is right

[velvet linden]

why is he wrong then

[pliant pasture]

but bat you become american/japanese pro baseball slugger

bat cool

[half hornet]

I certainly like the aesthetic of it

The name implies that it was a standard issue baton for kovac security officers, which beatifully highlights how much kovac don't give a shit

[twin dirge]

honestly that makes it cooler

[half hornet]

That thing looks mean. The ridges were made to concentrate force, causing extra pain and damage. Being hit with a flat conventional bat is bad enough, but being hit with this weaponized LEGO piece is big oof.

And it's solid steel too.

For all intents and purposes - that's a fucking mace.

[tough badger]

A bace, if you will

[real moss]

Hammer only

[mellow creek]

the first few r2e1 clears were the legit ones

until someone started kiting it

[atomic escarp]

fight me

[mellow creek]

and boom it became the easiest

[real moss]

you lose

[atomic escarp]

no u

[obtuse surge]

can we remove endermen from the game

[pliant pasture]

yes

[deft kiln]

creepers when

[pliant pasture]

|| ask @ Rey Jones 👀 ||

[obtuse surge]

spear homies when i show them that every melee in the game can multihit

[prisma zodiac]

Spear homies when i kill 2 scouts before they reach the first one

[obtuse surge]

WAIT IM CHARGING

[deft kiln]

If yOu cOuLd rUn wItH sPeAr iT wOulD bE mEtA

[pliant pasture]

yOu OnLy UsE hAmMeR bEcAuSe [insert one of ten reasons its better]

[prisma zodiac]

I mean if you are able to run with spear then it would legit not be as shitty

biggest down side for sure

[deft kiln]

Honestly biggest down side is stagger

no one can convince me other wise

[prisma zodiac]

i mean thats more of a hammer upside tbh

but yeah

if you could sprint it would make it a lot better in any awake scenario (and not shit) vs smalls

stagger mostly helps against giants where its already quite decent

[twin dirge]

it really needs a damage buff or the ability to sprint

it lacks so hard

[mortal portal]

Or at least make it so that you can jog with the spear instead of sprinting

[obtuse cedar]

Dmg buff would do nothing lol

It would remove its concept of precision if it killed without its precision multi... Or it woulf just overkill stuff which is pointless at that point

[twin dirge]

I think the spear has a big point

that should do damage

[wary olive]

The spear indeed has a point

[eternal dragon]

[kind swan]

Spear users just like holding a Long Rod with a Thick End piece

[half hornet]

I just like the safety of range

It's comfy

[twin dirge]

kinda sus

[half hornet]

Power walk from victim to victim

Who needs sprinting anywah

[atomic escarp]

exactly

[half hornet]

said the certified A-wall pilot

[kind swan]

Same thing with other melees. Just with a long sus rod

Bat users well. They got taste

Knife users well.

[pliant pasture]

they are sluggers

[prisma zodiac]

Knife users are from london

or anywhere from the UK for that matter

[kind swan]

Every GTFO "Vet"

Hmmr Btr

[twin dirge]

wait this whole time GTFO veterans used the knife?

😩

[real moss]

@half hornet again C1 still had a 3 use ammo on me :/

[real moss]

I mean ain't that a law of nature at this point ?

[half hornet]

Huh?

[real moss]

Well cause the whole discussion about R7C1 being tight on ammo

[half hornet]

When was that, month ago?

Either way someones carrying hardcore

Literal last mag every time

Unless we're talking ammo pack found in the final rooms

[real moss]

Ammo pack from snatcher room

no one was carrying

[half hornet]

Jesus

[real moss]

also 30 minutes 😅

[half hornet]

Probably flawless glp hunt

[real moss]

best before was 34 or 36

[half hornet]

I think my squads waste most of ammo there

[real moss]

probable

[pliant pasture]

also there is some tech for the first s class alarm

[deft kiln]

The only way you are short on ammo in r7c1 is if you do fog skip with unlucky giant spawns

[half hornet]

Just keeps happening, don't know what to tell you.

To be fair I'm the one doing the glp hunt, defense is always on someone else.

I try my best to quick melee it, maybe shoot a guy or two with HCP but that'd about it.

Then we reach the white room at like <30% for every single one of us.

Not enough door mining probably 🤔

[deft kiln]

That is crazy I think you guys are skipping ammo packs somewhere tbh

[half hornet]

Not me, I'm autistic with terminal scans.

[pliant pasture]

what's weird is I had a game where we shot through four scout waves in the fog zone, and ended flush with ammo. And another one where I stralthed the scout room 100%, and we were scraping for ammo the entire time

[half hornet]

So it's either the big S or the GLP hunt

Somewhere in there we all just mag dump our guns for some reason and then it comes to haunt us during the finale

[deft kiln]

Big s can fuck you with close spawns and you get 4 waves

So maybe you are just very very unlucky

[half hornet]

Not complaining though

[deft kiln]

Yeah fair enough but that is what ends c1 speedruns the most

Just to many close spawns

[half hornet]

Extracting while violently stabbing a mutant for my dear life never was so fun

[deft kiln]

Lol sounds fun

[atomic escarp]

well u can make the giants take a longer path if they spawn to the right

[obtuse cedar]

There is still enough ammo for every part in the level.. they made sure you wouldnt be out of ammo for every part of the level

You can be at 0/0 entering the S1 room... They give you just enough to do that scan. Then you can find ammo after during the end part. Same thing during glp hunt. You can start it at 0/0.. they make sure to give you a 4 use ammo before that can make you hold out for either the entire glp hunt if you are going at a fast pace... But they give you extra 2 uses per zone after...
And Let's be honest here... You won't be starting glp hunt at 0/0 ever... So that means that 4 use ammopack can last you the entire hunt... Which leaves you 6 extra uses of ammo before the arena scan...

[pliant pasture]

agreed

[obtuse cedar]

So every time i see people complains "not enough ammo"
All i see is "i'm very wasteful with my resources!"

[prisma zodiac]

i also see
"we dont know how to loot" and "what is preparing for alarms?"

[twin dirge]

if the dude is at like 0/3 then fair enough tbh

[mortal portal]

Proceeds to take 4 sentries and place them anywhere but facing the door

[twin dirge]

but if it's like 40/60 hell naw

[mortal portal]

Proceeds to dump an entire SMG mag on a giant

[twin dirge]

what makes me shit myself is that teammate at 0/100 asking for ammo

[mortal portal]

That one teammate at 70% HP asking for medipack

[pliant pasture]

what makes me shit myself is when a teammate asks for ammo at 45/100

[prisma zodiac]

while having a sniper
then doesnt want to shoot smalls with the sniper due to only having 6 bullets and rather dies

[past bough]

i don't even ask for health when im at 20 hp

"don't worry lads ill regenerate next time i get hurt"

[pliant pasture]

best part about being on infinite hp is you don't need medipacks

[jaunty tulip]

my precious sniper ammo :O (so relatable)

[kind swan]

y'all take damage from enemies?

I'm a Menace to myself

walks off ledge and breaks ankles

[paper harness]

r2 where?

[broken scarab]

In our computers

[mortal granite]

gib it now

it's also a thursday

[hidden crater]

Ate

[broken scarab]

I gibbed it.

[spark tiger]

They gotta put in the secret command: git push origin master

[burnt goblet]

Community-Calle crashes the game awards, says "AltR2 is out now!" Refuses to elaborate, Leaves

[mortal sequoia]

what is r2 mainly about? infection in most levels or...?

[plush basin]

yes. lots of infection

[mortal sequoia]

welp, that sounds like fun, thanks

[prisma zodiac]

It sure is

[atomic escarp]

I LOVE INFECTIOUS FOG!!!!!!

it's my favourite game mechanic

after checkpoints

[prisma zodiac]

I mean if well used its unironically great

[atomic escarp]

name some levels u think it's good in

in r6/7

cos idk the others xD

[wet ravine]

R2: Infections and Sufferings

[prisma zodiac]

R6C2

R7C2

[wet ravine]

AND POPPING BITCH

[prisma zodiac]

Ending of r7b3

[wet ravine]

after playing all of that, im still convinced R5 C1 is harder than all of it.

[prisma zodiac]

than what?

all of r6 and r7?
Eh not rly

[wet ravine]

yes all of it

i really enjoyed R5 A and B though

[plush basin]

I defo struggled with R5C1 more at the time than anything in R6/7 since

[wet ravine]

FR

[prisma zodiac]

r5c1 is just a bitch due to massive respawn rooms

also inexperience

[hidden crater]

r5c1 is just a bitch

[prisma zodiac]

eh if you remove respawn rooms then its easy af

just melee/shoot the rooms

and then chill

[wet ravine]

i spend 400 hours in R5, compared to R6 (110) and R7 (200), and R5 still missing completiion in C1. C3. D1. D2. E1

and then poof, gone.

[prisma zodiac]

400 in r5 but no real c tier completions?

what did you do?

[wet ravine]

what do you think?

[plush basin]

you beat everything in C2 though??

[wet ravine]

yes

[plush basin]

C2PE is way harder imo

[wet ravine]

oh wait

no

[prisma zodiac]

Yep

[wet ravine]

i gave up on PE

at near of R6 release, i gave up getting every PE and just focusing on completion

[prisma zodiac]

400 hours… man

[wet ravine]

AND YET I DIDNT GET A COMPLETION

FUCK

[plush basin]

tbh even R5C2Ex or overload is still harder than C1

[prisma zodiac]

thats actually skill issue at that point

[real moss]

tbh R5C1 will slap a lot of Alt players in the face

[prisma zodiac]

@real moss yeah sure

[wet ravine]

For sure

[prisma zodiac]

i just dont think its harder than everything post r5

its definetly a rly hard non pe c level tho

[wet ravine]

in R5 people actually struggled

a lot

[real moss]

oh Def not

But yet some levels in R5, even lower levels would slap R6/R7 levels

[wet ravine]

nah its still easier compared to early access rundowns

unless youre talking about the A and B, its still easy

except B3.

[prisma zodiac]

O.o

r5 is early access

[wet ravine]

R5B3

[wet ravine]

yes R5 is early access

[boreal tendon]

u literally get omegabuffed guns/tools on alt

[wet ravine]

i miss the hel rifle

i want my hel rifle back

[real moss]

Like R5B3 wipes the floor with R6C tier (except R6C3PE)

[wet ravine]

Literally like

Either 2 people defend

Or 1 people defend

[prisma zodiac]

R6c2 sec is harder imo if only slightly

R5b3 was so easy once you knew what to do (be it split for offense/defense or push as 4)

[wet ravine]

And going down to the fog

[wet ravine]

Push as 4 is the worse possible tactics in B3.

Since there's scout down there.

[real moss]

Altho it's not very hard can't wait for alt players reactions to R5A2ovl 😏

damn I love that level

[prisma zodiac]

… just kill scout?

[wet ravine]

I love R5A2 PE

Not A3 though, just took a real long walk for the overload.

[prisma zodiac]

People forget that the error timer on r5b3 was 2 min 45 seconds

you can eat something in that time

like god

Once alt r5 comes out youll see maybe 2-3 waves of that in a speedrun at best

[wet ravine]

Or

They'll make it worse

Just a higher spawn rate or less error timer could make B3 worse

[prisma zodiac]

Ah yes cuz theyll obviously make it harder :^ )!

[wet ravine]

Eeyup.

[real moss]

Where ? 😭

[broken scarab]

If you gibb something, it tends to be all over the place

[real moss]

Why you do us like that? 😔

[broken scarab]

It's just physics

[hidden crater]

its gibbing time gibbs all over the place

[kind swan]

544 days. Still No Calle Beard drip

[nocturne flax]

read my discord name

make it happen

[real moss]

you lost it m8

[atomic escarp]

The issue I always had with error alarm maps (albeit R5B3's kinda lenient on that department) it's that there's a massive difference between going in blind and knowing beforehand where to go and what to do

[prisma zodiac]

he just cant wait to do the all level rating with me

obviously EVAL is NR.1

[atomic escarp]

Which applies to every map but I feel like I'm being forced to do trial and error first

[prisma zodiac]

R6C2 sec without having done main first

especially pre nerf with 4 hybrids

man shit was insane

once you figured it out (especially with only 3) you could duo that shit so chill

[real moss]

All level tier list

[atomic escarp]

I always felt like R6C2 extreme was really just a matter of getting headshots on hybrids and that was it, granted both latency and desync made that very hard

[real moss]

me going in a rant about normies and checkpoints.

[prisma zodiac]

yes 1 for each of:
enjoyment and difficulty obviously

[atomic escarp]

I loved R4C2 and can't really explain why

[olive shoal]

r5b2 PE most fun level

[real moss]

obviously

[prisma zodiac]

now imagine you do that blind. No sniper

And its 4 hybrids :>

[atomic escarp]

I love your ted talks, very informative and inspiring

[prisma zodiac]

Kinda agressive tho

[atomic escarp]

yes indeed

[atomic escarp]

What? No, dna is my only buddy why would i

Unless im trying to rope him in

Which im not doing at this moment

[real moss]

never been agressive 🤔

Just spittin truth

[atomic escarp]

You're just fine

[real moss]

👌

[atomic escarp]

Saturday? 👉👈

[real moss]

dunno yet. But R2 needs to get done asap

R2C2 probably yes saturday

[atomic escarp]

[real moss]

but for real can't say in advance

[atomic escarp]

Np homie

[plush basin]

playing R2 smh

[olive shoal]

love that rundown 👍

[atomic escarp]

What else we suppose to do? Kick our feet?

[real moss]

you can join if I'm able

[plush basin]

Saturday I'm gonna be out on the toon I reckon

[real moss]

on the toon?

[plush basin]

town

[real moss]

Makes more sense

[atomic escarp]

Rundown with no chargers 🤔

[real moss]

Meaby on the Alt?????

[olive shoal]

Yeah but it had the funny shadow giants

[atomic escarp]

👀

[real moss]

might be an ez adjustement for them

[real moss]

Yeah but those will Def be gone on the Alt 😔

[olive shoal]

true 😔

[atomic escarp]

Devs cmon, we know you like chargers 👀

[kind swan]

Some people who did R1C1 :
"R1 DIDNT HAVE HYBRIDS. HERESY!"

[plush basin]

its heresy the fact that you can't see "legs" any more

[kind swan]

Where the torsoless striker who is moving around as just legs

[real moss]

I mean I prefer Alt R1C1 than OG. my god OG was even worse of a snooze

[plush basin]

exactly

[real moss]

spend 30 minutes waiting for new wave to start

[real moss]

THOSE I miss 😭

[kind swan]

R1C1 was more of a challenge imo just with the weapon/tool set up

Og

[real moss]

The strat is pretty much the same tho. AND on OG you have an extra door you can mine for ez mistake correction (revives)

[kind swan]

Forklift / Bridge strats

Though all the pubs I played it for Alt. Did bridge

[real moss]

Was speaking of the tunnel strat. You could still use that door with bridge strat tho

Cause it's the last sec door before the hole to the bridge. in OG it was a regular door

[kind swan]

Ngl. My friend our first time around. He just put a shit ton of fucking mines.

[plush basin]

In OG there was a better sightline near the forklift too

[kind swan]

(We duo'd it)

[real moss]

OG had also more time in between waves. which makes it even more boring BUT also more time to loot etc

OG R1C1 is the only level they actually made harder in Alt.

[plush basin]

They could add more time to the insert code window and take it from the mandatory wait time

that would make it a bit more fun

[real moss]

What for it is already a lot

[plush basin]

Just so you don't have to wait as long if you don't want to

[real moss]

I would just not add time. and remove some from the wait time

[plush basin]

you can skip more time if you insert the code immediately

just a solution that doesn't affect the difficulty

of course you could just reduce the time further too 🤷‍♀️

[real moss]

Ok now I just want every timer to be 5 sec. insert and wait timer

😂

[atomic escarp]

30 secs are enough wait time 🤔

Why go below

[plush basin]

new players holding in the reactor room need time to run and fetch things 🙂

[kind swan]

Me running all the way to the extraction room for missed loot and running all the way back

Some people: THERES NO TIME.

I play some pubs honestly and forget newbies don't commit to meleeing giants/ 2-3 sleepers waking up

The amount of times I've begun meleeing enemies and the moment they see one start glowing red (because I'm gonna multi kill him)
They just start sprinting/Blasting

[plush basin]

Its such a common thing for newer players

[kind swan]

It's always right as my hammer is coming down too then the sleeper shifts posture causing me to hit body

[plush basin]

I'm actually so pleased when pubs step in and handle enemies waking up properly

[kind swan]

I've only encounter 1 person where him and I are in sync with each other.

Same brain cell activity

Just trusting each other to cover melee and etc if possible

We're a 3man group

But that

Our 3rd is like that dragon there. Vs us 2

[atomic escarp]

Its a must for any 3rd companion to help by relieving stress

[real moss]

That's why E1 training grounds will open it's doors

May god have mercy on their souls

[plush basin]

E1 should be enough reason for me to actually get a static of 4 again

til we beat it

Well we will run through all the other I guess but E1 may take a bit longer

[real moss]

I'm talking about 3 good players and one fresh out of eval player

[plush basin]

fun

Gonna be interesting with stamina

[real moss]

R7E1

R2 not here yet

😭

[plush basin]

oh alright

[real moss]

I pity the player it will fall on.

[plush basin]

I can make an alt account and pretend to be a newbie 🙂

you've never played with me so you wouldn't know

[real moss]

Well when I see a british player (recognised by knife) I'll kick him out

[plush basin]

Nah I'll take the spear

authentic noob weapon and perfect disguise

[real moss]

You can't it goes against your genes

[plush basin]

🗡️ 😔🔪

[real moss]

that's what I thought 😂

[atomic escarp]

I've always been under the assumption that making things harder would mean that they'd need to retest the level more

Therefore they probably just find it easier to make waves/enemy density 1:1 (C1 being the only exception I guess?)

[spark tiger]

Doubt it. With limited resource, it would just be a straight nerf like we have here

[real moss]

Everything was nerfed Except R1C1

it was buffed actually

[spark tiger]

R1C1 buff was a simple change to the wave settings right.

[real moss]

Yes less time between waves.
Hybrids
Tunnel door is now security door

It's just slight changes

[spark tiger]

I wish they would have just make it like KF2 where people can make community maps lol. And just provide a continue framework support for the game.

[atomic escarp]

well twi/saber ruined the community maps

look at desolation

I wonder if it'd be possible to have a permanently changing "AX" map or whatever

the creator himself made a video showcasing the undocumented changes they made to the map

such as extra containers, vent spawns

ruining the map flow

[spark tiger]

Yeah but they can just host their own map on their server.

Guess functioning matchmaking is a requirement lol

[atomic escarp]

you can host your custom rundown

[spark tiger]

You can't

[atomic escarp]

lol

[spark tiger]

There's no support for community map as the client won't download the map off host

And there's no lobby browser

[atomic escarp]

but you can host a custom rundown

[spark tiger]

By yourself sure

[atomic escarp]

and people can join it

[spark tiger]

But can't drop down lol so what's the point

[obtuse cedar]

As long as they have the files they can

[spark tiger]

Yeah but they won't that's the point

[atomic escarp]

?

[spark tiger]

Need to automatically download off the host

Like other games out there lol

[obtuse cedar]

You can share files BEFORE hosting a lobby you know...

[spark tiger]

Not with matchmaking

If you know the other people, sure

[nocturne flax]

just join the ums server

[obtuse cedar]

Just add them as friend

[nocturne flax]

and be done with it

if you wanna play custom shit

[spark tiger]

see this is the problem. Nobody wants to do that

Just use standard client and download stuff off host when using MM

Like age of empire

[nocturne flax]

sure i guess?

[spark tiger]

And have lobby browsers for custom map and stuff

[obtuse cedar]

You do know that custom rundowns kinda replace the existing ones right?

[atomic escarp]

You don't have to download anything in aoe since its part of the game unless you mean custom maps which is built to support it

i think he doesn't know the difference between replacing like an entire campaign vs just a map

[spark tiger]

Yeah AOE you can play custom map and download it off the host

[nocturne flax]

your asking for a lot of infrastructure for a forgotten game by its dev, just tell your friends to join the ums server download the launcher and play away!

super simple

unlike before where we had to manually install shit

wich was a pain in the ass lmao

[spark tiger]

But here you need a modded client to play

[nocturne flax]

aah the good old dayss...

[obtuse cedar]

And?

[spark tiger]

Huge barrier

[obtuse cedar]

Tmodloader was not on steam for years... Didnt stop people to play modded terraria

[atomic escarp]

i also think he doesn't know custom rundowns can have their own set of enemies, new tiles, new weapons which all require extra plugins

[nocturne flax]

same with fallout mods kekw

and skyrim

[spark tiger]

Yeah but not everyone wants to use modded client. I think having people host custom vanilla map with vanilla stuff would be nice

[nocturne flax]

yeah i think its more of that

even "vanilla" rundowns have custom pluggins

[atomic escarp]

It would be nice to have some infrastructure build in order to simplify even more the modding process, which I believe was what blackdragon said

[obtuse cedar]

They also change the balance lf the guns

[atomic escarp]

That's also not going to happen, probably

[spark tiger]

Yeah unfortunately this game has a good framework but lacks replayability

And the ability to play custom map is too hard for average user like me.

[nocturne flax]

I mean afaik we can sustain ourselves pretty decently without the need of the devs, but mono would be the end all be all

wich will never happen

[atomic escarp]

I dont doubt it but I can't shake off the feeling that they could have saved a lot of headaches and stuff like that if they just planned better beforehand

[nocturne flax]

damn following a readme.txt its super hard

[spark tiger]

Yeah it is. I need a proper UI so I can click and play

[errant vigil]

I’ve never modded anything before GTFO stuff and it was very easy to setup with the client

[spark tiger]

And I dont want to download virus from somewhere

[errant vigil]

Then why play mods if your afraid of viruses

[nocturne flax]

increadibly difficult UI

[spark tiger]

Exactly

It should be part of standard client so I can just pick the custom map and play

[nocturne flax]

where would i click to play modded

i dunno

im sorry

im gone

lmao

[atomic escarp]

i think clicking buttons and reading simple text are too difficult for some people

you need to be patient

[nocturne flax]

shoutout to heat developer

please add all the vanilla weapons you cheapass

[errant vigil]

Chrysalis has them

Except for BC

[spark tiger]

Look, here in this game I can just click Custom -> Arcade. Bam custom maps

[nocturne flax]

its literally the same shit

you have no excuse lmao

[spark tiger]

No because i dont need to download virus off websites

[nocturne flax]

hell gtfo its even better

because you can just start the game from the launcher

[spark tiger]

Maybe better for you Mr. Tech savy

Im dumb as a rock

[atomic escarp]

tech savy for clicking 3 buttons

[nocturne flax]

not a thing to be proud off

[atomic escarp]

man

[nocturne flax]

yeah

[plush basin]

All you need someone to do is point you to the install for the mod launcher

Thats literally the one step you could get wrong

[spark tiger]

Dude someone send me link and it goes to some Asian singles website

Not going to click that

[atomic escarp]

the time you spent arguing could have been time spent on dl-ing a r2modman, installing a custom rundown and finishing the a level of it

[plush basin]

If you refuse to search for or use a link to install the mod thing then I guess it is offlimits to you, yep

[nocturne flax]

when r2

gotta buff pr reload

[digital dawn]

Aren't you the wise old tree, shouldn't you know this kind of stuff?

[nocturne flax]

theres things i cannot meddle with

[atomic escarp]

I do miss server browsers tbh

[nocturne flax]

time its one of them

[digital dawn]

that is wise

thank you for that ❤️

[paper harness]

When r2

[atomic escarp]

when its released

[past bough]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

when the last rundown comes out people are still gonna fucking ask for the next rundown

[atomic escarp]

so when is the next next final rundown

[past bough]

when is the bomb i put under your house gonna explode

[atomic escarp]

well i certainly miss when they were in my bag

[hidden crater]

Never

Ate

[paper harness]

Rundown ate when

[hidden crater]

I ate

So

No rundown

[paper harness]

Can you please unate rundown ate

[hidden crater]

No

[paper harness]

Ok how r2

[astral ferry]

but why r2

[paper harness]

Is r2 kill?

Where gtfo2

I love gtfo

[past bough]

get the fuck out mother fuckers when i don't use acronyms (they had a heart attack from reading too much)

laugh now

right this instant

[atomic escarp]

😂

[broken scarab]

This is the real tragedy

[broken scarab]

Yes

[mortal portal]

It's December already, where R2

[broken scarab]

Just for a couple of hours

[mortal portal]

So R2 in s couple of hours, gotcha

[hidden crater]

No, it will only last for a couple of hours, then gone, forever

[mortal portal]

Shortest rundown ever

[past bough]

skill issue

[prisma zodiac]

no, calle is gonna magically shift so december only last a couple of hours. That way we will never get R2

[twin dirge]

woah

[broken scarab]

That is how I work.

[pliant pasture]

waiit... from the north... big beard, brings a gift in december...

👀

[real moss]

you know what they say about old dudes giving out presents to kids .. 👀

[atomic escarp]

strangers?

[pliant pasture]

they are always named nic/nicholas?

[real moss]

yes

[real moss]

not necessarily

uncles count too

[pliant pasture]

"Uncle Rufus, no relation"

[real moss]

they nicknamed me uncle roofie in high school

[pliant pasture]

was it a small group's nickname for you? or the whole school?

[real moss]

my lawyer says I must not talk about this anymore

[pliant pasture]

HMMMM

aren't you your own lawyer

[real moss]

[past bough]

tell someone you like the knife, they don't care, tell them you like the spear and they go nuts

[fallow wasp]

All we need is the pierce back on spear

[real moss]

YOU where are you !

[fallow wasp]

where am I?

Right here

I did a full flush on my computer last week because one of my games was crashing nonstop and I was at my wit's end with trying fixes

[atomic escarp]

I find it weird how people sometimes get fixated on that topic specifically

I'd never leave the hammer (as of now) but if someone likes the spear they like the spear

it's hard to argumentate against "I like it more"

is argumentate a genuine word

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/argumentate

where's the eng

you're probably right

just use the word argue

argumentative is a word

and I presumed argumentate existed

[past bough]

or you could expand your vocabulary

[grizzled mesa]

Is the door glitch in E1 fixed?

R7E1

[atomic escarp]

The door glitch can be done in any level

There are 2 ways to do it but they only fixed 1 of em

[kind swan]

Cfoam method was fixed

[grizzled mesa]

Wait

Whats the other one? Can you dm me?

[obtuse cedar]

how about no

what is the point in using something that make the game super boring

if you need that to beat E1... better practice your own skills more instead

[deft kiln]

If you can solo e1 I will tell you how to use the door glitch

[kind swan]

Imagine kiting.

[deft kiln]

There is another way

[grizzled mesa]

No I don't need it for E1 but I'm curious about the technique

[kind swan]

They thought it was exclusive to e1

But in reality

[grizzled mesa]

Well you can use it in any lvl

[deft kiln]

It is just a nav mesh issue certain tiles have the door glitch built in 10 cc was being generous on those levels

[kind swan]

There are people that know how to do it 100% but all the ones I've encountered record it themselves and send it to 10cc

If they ever fix it.

[grizzled mesa]

Thats funny

[kind swan]

Whenever he does the door bug though. It only does it on pointless doors

[grizzled mesa]

I don't like using glitches in gtfo at all but if I want to experiment it's quite handy

[hidden crater]

Cant believe i've done R1D1 with rather experienced people and fucked up a lot, wiped a lot, but the moment i try with 3 people doing it for the first time and we dont wipe once and we have like 3 rooms that woke

[kind swan]

Some people can't shoot/stealth

[deft kiln]

If you want to experiment I would use cc console

It is better

anyways

[hidden crater]

yeah i noticed, and apparently new people can stealth really good too

[kind swan]

It's more those experienced players were probably carried most games

"Experienced" but not a vet

[deft kiln]

R1d1 makes me sad if only they made the shadow alarm a one room distance surge

Would have been fucking sick

[grizzled mesa]

How many hours do you have to have to be considered experienced or a vet?

I'd say 200h till you can consider yourself experienced

[deft kiln]

It isn’t hours it is the way you play

[wary olive]

i would consider experienced to be players that are higher skilled, vet just means they've been playing a long time

[grizzled mesa]

Right

Well true, a 200h player could also be stupid

Or even a 500h player

[wary olive]

some vets that have been playing since r1/r2 aren't as good as some that started playing in r4/r5

[deft kiln]

No r6 players are vets 😭😭

[wary olive]

[pliant pasture]

i started in R7, learned a ton, still learning as much as i can. but i still have a lot of skill growth to go 😅

[kind swan]

[grizzled mesa]

Been playing since R2 and I don't consider myself a very good player. Still lots to learn

Noticed it the most in R7E1

But having a good team also makes a big difference

[kind swan]

True solo players: a good team?

[deft kiln]

If you want to be good just start soloing things you will find your short comings right away

[grizzled mesa]

The only lvls I solo'd were R6A1 and R7A1

Mostly because I wasn't motivated to solo lvls

[kind swan]

Me who is experiencing bad Desync and delays.

My team: Bruh you suck ass

[grizzled mesa]

That sweet charger desync

Lovely

[deft kiln]

R1a1 is a prett nice step in your solo venture then