gtfo-spoiler-chat

[atomic escarp]

its fine buddy, we'll cross that bridge together

[real moss]

Well gives time to finish OG first I guess 😔

[atomic escarp]

plenty of time we cant even store it anywhere

[obtuse surge]

time is stored in the balls

[atomic escarp]

how does one

[pliant pasture]

no thats entropy

[real moss]

That is something else entirely m8

If released it can result in a serious lack of time for 20-25 years

[rigid escarp]

My friends and I spent 2.5 hours stealthing the entirety of r1d1 expecting some hellish reactor thay was gonna make us run around to find codes in the locked securitt sections, after we screwed up the first few rooms cuz our team ran entirely out of ammo and had to do 2 scout waves at once where I was the only player with ammo, so I had to solo both waves with a little melee to assist

We checked every single terminal for logs with codes preemptively

You can imagine how we felt when we hit the shadows

[burnt goblet]

those dont come until later

Man i remember struggling on D1 back in the day

Sometimes i wish i can go back and experience it for the first time again

[mortal granite]

too late man

you have more than 500 hours
you already an "experience" player

[rigid escarp]

Shadows are just slower and weaker these days

And even as a not that experienced player with Like 150 hours and no fully completed rundowns, I always bring biotracker

My first experience with shadows we wiped and never even saw them

[burnt goblet]

Not just that, we have op busted weapons now

[rigid escarp]

Never again

[rigid escarp]

Wasn't the pump shotgun always about this good

Despite still being considered fantastic

[burnt goblet]

I never used pump shotgun tbh

[rigid escarp]

It hasn't changed at all since r5 or earlier

Sorta feels like the gold standard

[burnt goblet]

Id rather use a hi cal lol

[rigid escarp]

Post nerf?

[burnt goblet]

Yes

[rigid escarp]

Wack

[burnt goblet]

Hi cal is still fantastic

[rigid escarp]

I believe you

But

Its spot removal capacity is a lot weaker

Which is why I bring pump

If I don't need that I bring combat shotgun or choke mod or something else

[burnt goblet]

I dont worry about that stuff lol. Just aim and shoot

Find a weapon your comfortable with and use it

the only time i bother actually caring about weapon choices is if the level really demands it

aka any level with multiple minibosses

[mortal granite]

oh no

a player playing the game

whatever will we do to stop this

[rigid escarp]

When I play as a duo and my buddy picks sniper, what I am comfortable bringing changes

[burnt goblet]

Remove all expeditions

When you launch the game its a blank screen and all you hear is Scaeffer saying "Uh, Im taking a piss right now, how about you get the fuck out???"

[hexed vapor]

Used to be stronger, actually. 9 mag and a higher RoF.

Back in R2

[hard cape]

hmm

C3 is a lot different

still need to take out the tank very quick

[mortal granite]

you could just... not take the tank out

[jolly perch]

i got it spoiled for me my first time 😦

[honest lotus]

[mortal granite]

you're now promoted to an "experience" player

[honest lotus]

apparently

[mortal granite]

if you already played this game for 500 hours and still suck

well, i have nothing to say but good luck

[honest lotus]

i stopped shooting a while ago and just mainly use melee unless i have to shoot and still pass everything XD

so i would say im "experience"

[rigid escarp]

define "have to shoot"

[rigid escarp]

If anything that should mean it was just as easy back then, the only thing we lacked was knowledge

And experience, you know, that stuff.

[hexed vapor]

Other categories of weapons have seen power increases, and generally you don't want to 4-stack burst damage most of the time.

[rigid escarp]

I suppose so. But the lack of stamina back then, pre-nerf dodge and pre-nerf jumping, still matter a lot.

Also, some of the most powerful weapons have disappeared. Hel Rifle, etc

[honest lotus]

reason to shoot is 2-3 members of the team are down during an alarm and im unable to use the room to kite long enough to pick one up or if its a miniboss im soloing or if its a bad surge room

[rigid escarp]

Surge isn't very kite friendly

How would you even do that

[honest lotus]

nope really isnt haha

typically with a surge i would just shoot but thats because i barely deal with them

we need more

[rigid escarp]

I liked the one in r5a1 extreme

Doing that as a duo with no bots was intense

but it wasn't hard if you had a lot of people

[honest lotus]

but if we had a surge and i had to melee i would lead them a few rooms back and use my enviroment to get back my pulse and then once they are close to me i would run past dodging the hits and go pick someone up

[rigid escarp]

I'm assuming you don't melee chargers

[honest lotus]

i do

bonk

[rigid escarp]

you play a dangerous game

[honest lotus]

[errant vigil]

R5A1 extreme were S1s not surges

[rigid escarp]

am i crazy

hold on

[honest lotus]

i use corners etc to hit chargers

as they typically take the corners wide

so u can use their ai pathing and then bonk them

[rigid escarp]

You're right, I got confused

But I imagine you wouldn't kite in those either

because you know

timer go down when not in circle

[honest lotus]

yeah u wouldnt kite a s1 scan unless 2-3 people are down

i would only kite an s1 if needed

[errant vigil]

At that point I’d just reset

Kiting ruins the experience for me

[rigid escarp]

I think there's a difference between like

kiting, and looping

[errant vigil]

Not really

[rigid escarp]

It's one thing to outmanuever the enemies as part of getting from point A to point B, and doing it repeatedly

[honest lotus]

doing it repeatedly gets boring if done for ages

[rigid escarp]

Damn. Objective truth police declared me wrong before I explained what the terms mean in the way I used them

[honest lotus]

but if doing it once or twice just to save the run sure

[rigid escarp]

[honest lotus]

depends how far in you are too

if ur at the start just restart

mid way probs restart

[rigid escarp]

Like if there's an error alarm going on

and you''re running to extraction, or whatever

and you take a path that slows down the enemies, you're kiting them

[hexed vapor]

You can try to cope and say "no, it's different, circle kiting is cheese!"

[rigid escarp]

[hexed vapor]

But they're literally just the same.

[honest lotus]

boing boing boing

[rigid escarp]

The fact that you can name them differently and people will know what you mean, means this is not the truth

[hexed vapor]

Poorly balanced enemy evasion lets you evade a whole lot more than you should really be able to.

[hexed vapor]

It's possible to identify something without the distinction between it and other forms of kiting being particularly meaningful.

[rigid escarp]

Sure.

[hexed vapor]

Circle kiting vs. long-kiting vs. repositioning are all literally just the same thing.

And it can be a bit blurry as to how you define them.

[rigid escarp]

They're the same thing at like, a really high level

moving around the level

[hexed vapor]

How many times do you have to dodge enemies in a row before you're circle kiting?>

[rigid escarp]

but there's definitely some important difference there

[hexed vapor]

There isn't.

There's an aesthetic difference.

[rigid escarp]

So if I move my character 2 feet to the left, there's no important difference between that, and kiting around a level for 3 hours without getting touched?

[hexed vapor]

but it's all making use of the same mechanics in the same way at the end of the day.

[rigid escarp]

One is repositioning, the other is a form of kiting

[hexed vapor]

No, there genuinely isn't.

It's literally the same thing, you just do it more.

[rigid escarp]

I think there's some fundamental miscommunication here

"has no impact on game difficulty" and "keeps you from taking any damage" is an important distinction

failing vs succeeding at a level, is an important distinction

Everything I do is just pressing buttons on my keyboard and moving my mouse

[hexed vapor]

When you "avoid kiting," ultimately what you're doing is avoiding the feeling that you're kiting enemies, probably because playing the game that way is boring as fuck.

But in terms of the actual gameplay mechanics, there's not actually a meaningful distinction.

You can "reposition" as many times as you want.

Because the game lets you.

[rigid escarp]

Yeah, but if the repositioining doesn't impact at all, in any way, how the enemies hit you vs not - ie, it has no meaningful impact on gameplay, because there's no functional difference between doing it and not doing it

that is not the same as repositioning in a way that changes the outcome of the mission

[hexed vapor]

?

"Repositioning" in this case is performing a single arc or maneuver to avoid attacks.

[rigid escarp]

You said there's no differnce between moving my character 2 feet to the left and kiting around the level for 3 hours

[honest lotus]

cmon u know u wanna kite for 3 hours and die at the end of it XD

[hexed vapor]

Circle kiting for 3 hours is legit "moving 2 ft. to the left" but a few hundred times.

[rigid escarp]

yeah, but I didn't say doing it a hundred times

and there's a difference between doing something once, and a hundred times

and in this case, the distinction is meaningful

one gets you killed

the other doesn't

[hexed vapor]

The amount you choose to do it is completely arbitrary, and something the player ends up deciding largely based on feel.

There is no specific amount of repositions that transitions to circle kiting.

[rigid escarp]

"all activities are me pressing buttons on my keyboard. The choices of how you do them is completely arbitrary, and largely decided on player feel."

[hexed vapor]

So, consider if I wanted to make a rule against circle kiting.

How exactly would I enforce that?

[rigid escarp]

The lines between these things are subjective and blurry, but that doesn't mean they have no meaning whatsoever

[hexed vapor]

A limited amount of repositions?

[rigid escarp]

I feel like you're uh

arguing against an invisible man who isn't speaking here

[hexed vapor]

I'm not saying they have no meaning whatsoever.

I'm just saying they're not very meaningful.

[rigid escarp]

I think repositioning is a far more broad term than kiting

[honest lotus]

the way i see it is if the kiting takes longer than a set amount of time and your not progressing at all say 1 person is kiting and ur whole team is down and there is no progress towards picking them up within like 5 mins then its just a waste of time

[rigid escarp]

because repositioning can be moving towards enemies

or into hits

or, you know, dieing on purpose

That's what that word means to me

moving from one spot to another

for any reason at all

Im not saying there should be rules against kiting in general

although sometimes arbitrary rules help commmunities and games

A lot of fighting games have timers

The exact time chosen is to some degree arbitrary

but the reasoning is usually the same

and the time may be based on some specific metric or logic

[hexed vapor]

Then it sounds like we might need a word, like "kiting," to describe an act where you reposition in such a way that you avoid enemy attacks.

[rigid escarp]

Kiting limits can be designed for similar reasons

but I think they only make sense in like

speedrun-esque environments

you know?

[hexed vapor]

So, how much "kiting" do we consider "fair" and how much kiting do we say is "cheese"?

[rigid escarp]

I wouldn't say I've done enough kiting myself to really say

I'm pretty bad at moving in this game

Im not even sure there should be a limit

[hexed vapor]

As someone that feels reasonably capable at movement in GTFO

[rigid escarp]

and we'd have to like, establish a goal, right?

[hexed vapor]

I'm telling you

[honest lotus]

well a cheese is making it borderline impossible to be hit

[rigid escarp]

Like what are we trying to limit with that kind of a rule

is this for speedruns, or something?

or just... arbirtrary restricitons on general gameplay?

[honest lotus]

kiting provides that but u can be hit

[rigid escarp]

challenge runs?

Like, a "no jumping" run is an arbitrary restriction, but that restriction can be easily measured

Kiting's obviously weirder and harder. Its a lot more uh

fuzzy

[hexed vapor]

there is not a very good way to draw lines between circle kiting, long-kiting, and just ordinary movement you'd perform if you're trying to reposition while not throwing the game.

[rigid escarp]

like you've said

I think if you want to prevent trivial kiting in a game for challenge or speedrun reasons

You have to pick somethjing easily quantifiable

usually its the banning of specific strategies

[hexed vapor]

You've lost the plot, fam.

[rigid escarp]

I'm not sure I have.

[honest lotus]

tbf it is decently hard to kite these days due to the pulse system

[rigid escarp]

But please, elucidate me.

[honest lotus]

but if u can learn how to kite for 3+ hours then goo job haha

good*

[rigid escarp]

Because this whole time, I've mostly taken issue with your phrasing, not what I think you've been trying to communicate, honestly.

[honest lotus]

back in like r2 etc it was easy to kite for that long

[hexed vapor]

I think there's a difference between like
kiting, and looping
You originally said this, which I'm reading as something like the difference between kiting to reposition vs. very extreme strategies like long-kiting and circle kiting.

[rigid escarp]

I mean, at a high level, the distinction would be "going back through the same kiting paths"

[honest lotus]

imo if you can progress in less time than restarting then go ahead and kite but otherwise its kinda not worth.
if your against kiting just leave

[hexed vapor]

My point is that, if we wanted to make a rule to avoid using circle-kiting or long-kiting in our games, coming up with such a rule reveals that there's not actually a good way to draw such a line.

[rigid escarp]

If you use the same room/area multiple times, you're looping

I never meant to say there should be a rule though

I don't think I have said that much

[hexed vapor]

So if I defend in one spot for a long time, I'm looping? That's just dumb.

[rigid escarp]

I didn't say that either

You could clearly stay in that area and not avoid the enemies

[hexed vapor]

You didn't, but that doesn't mean you're not coping.

[honest lotus]

also could be counted as cheesing by that logic

[rigid escarp]

...?

Ray, this feels oddly personal

I don't have an issue with kiting

That distinction i brought up was analytical

those words mean different things to me

Accusing me of coping is a really weird thing to do here

[hexed vapor]

Doesn't really matter if they mean different things.

[rigid escarp]

I think kiting is cool

[rigid escarp]

If you feel this way, then we shouldn't be talking about it

Because this entire discussion was about what they mean

Again though, this whole conversation has felt like you have this idea of my point that you've been attacking

And you're viciously destroying the strawman

[hexed vapor]

Why even bring it up if it's just about what they mean?

[rigid escarp]

but he's not what i said, or what I meant

[hexed vapor]

Who doesn't know what they mean?

[rigid escarp]

I don't think you'd care

So we should just drop it

[hexed vapor]

Dude, can you type less?

[rigid escarp]

Sure.

Bit of an odd request, but if it makes you happy.

[hexed vapor]

You're complaining every few posts that I'm apparently not reading what you're saying.

Which is quite hard to do

when your'e pying

fucking 5 messages

a second

[rigid escarp]

I type quickly.

[nocturne flax]

Go play solo then

[rigid escarp]

Sometimes I do.

I'm thinking of trying it more.

[rigid escarp]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not particularly invested in the whole kiting thing. I don't have strong opinions on it. I mostly wanted to hear what other people thought when I brought up the distinction.
I said that looping and kiting mean different things because to me, they do. They bring to mind different things, and when you said they don't have a meaningful distinction, I disagreed because again, to me those words do not mean the same thing, and I could point to differences.
I don't think we need a "rule" against it. I never meant to imply anything so severe, and this whole conversation has felt like from that first message, you got this image of me as someone who thinks kiting is "terrible" and "needs to go", and you just jumped to fighting that perspective, when its not even something I believe. It got weirdly personal with the coping comment, and I'm not really sure what to say at this point.

Here it is in one message, for your convenience.

The short messages habit comes from having grown up playing a lot of games which required quick typing-based communication and had a limit to how long of a message you could send. Sorry if it bothered you.

Games can make rules that break kiting but not circle kiting, depending on how you define them. It can be game dependent. It's definitely dependent on how precisely you define those terms. Additionally, game mechanics can be introduced that improve "repositioning to avoid enemy attacks" that also make it harder to do so for extended periods of time ("Long kiting") or when moving through the same areas ("Circle Kiting").

[hexed vapor]

"Rule" is colloquial.

Like, if I wanted to challenge myself, I might want a no kiting "rule."

[rigid escarp]

When I say rule here, let me please clarify:

[hexed vapor]

I don't mean anything to do w/ game/server rules.

[rigid escarp]

I meant actual changes to the game itself in that exact post

I realize it's confusing that I said rule

If the game increased the speed of enemies over time the longer they spend alive, long-kiting would be weaker. Same if enemies got stronger or the spawn cap got higher the longer you spent on an alarm or in a mission. A time limit on the mission itself that you lost if you didn't kill enough enemies would make all forms of "kiting" weaker.

"player made rules" can also make kiting weaker - eg, "no moving at all" obviously breaks it.

There's distinctions to these forms of kiting that are affected differently by different changes to the game, and different player made rules.

That's why there's a meaningful difference to me.

Speedruns aim to be as fast as possible. Any time consuming form of kiting is obviously weak in that environment, and so on.

[wary olive]

there is no difference between re-routing (looping) and kiting

[nocturne flax]

Same ol same ol talks about kiting

newer players never change

solo's truly missdirected what the game its truly about

getting old

[real moss]

Hey leave him alone. He was already abused yesterday

[rigid escarp]

This is such a weird conversation

[nocturne flax]

this is a dejavu for us

dont worry

[rigid escarp]

If anything, what I've learned here is that this discord appears to have a very different definition of "looping" and "kiting" than i do, and has no desire to check if we're even talking about the same thing or why

[nocturne flax]

dont know what happend yesterday but im afraid to know

[rigid escarp]

I'll have to figure out what it is before I talk about this here again, if at all

[real moss]

It's not worth it

[wary olive]

what do you define as looping, and what do you define as kiting then?

[nocturne flax]

cant wait for this game to be over in r8

see you in 2036

[rigid escarp]

To me kiting at a really high level is doing any form of movement to increase the distance between you and the enemies. Looping is doing that repeatedly through the same areas.

[nocturne flax]

hopefully my children will play with yours

[rigid escarp]

holding S is kiting

[real moss]

Bruh until then Imma have the same conversation about solo play 10k times

[rigid escarp]

I assume everyone here means something different

[nocturne flax]

either that, or my favorite burst cancel topic (11k) or kiting (45k) or checkpoints been broken (55million)

[rigid escarp]

I've suspected as much for a bit

[nocturne flax]

or spear its useless (67trillion)

[real moss]

I'll tell them to disagree systematically with yours. Just to keep the spirit of the discord alive.

[real moss]

Not the checkpoints one 😭

[wary olive]

so what's your claim your making about these two things?

[nocturne flax]

you know what

fuck it

we pushing for limits

on checkpoints

[real moss]

When Alt R4 and Alt R5 are out: WeRe ChECkpoints !!!!!!! Reeeeeeeee game stupid !!!!!

[burnt goblet]

I wish there was a limit to how often you can use them

[real moss]

👍

[wary olive]

maybe it wont be so bad by then because carbine will have only like 4 more buffs before then

[rigid escarp]

Originally, all I said was that they were distinct, because someone said "kiting ruins the experience to me". At the time, when I saw that, I thought about how when doing something as simple as moving away from an enemy to avoid taking damage, that could be considered kiting, so I was making a point to seek clarity in discussion about what precisely ruins the experience for that individual

At that point I was politely informed that I was wrong, reacted with clown emoji, told I was coping, and now here we are

[real moss]

yes.

[real moss]

It already happened for Alt R1

[burnt goblet]

Might as well make it fire sniper rounds, have 600 rounds, and perfect accuracy

[real moss]

so if there are a couple individuals malding cause no checkpoint in Alt R1 !!!!!!! then imagine Alt R5 😔

[rigid escarp]

The purpose of the distinction was that forms of kiting that really drag out the level, vs minimally affect its duration, are gonna be different there in terms of if that's why they don't like it - and if it's about how easy they make the game, that's a different discussion as well. So I was trying to figure out what their thoughts were.

[wary olive]

"kiting ruins the game for me" is very vague, they could be like artek who thinks that reload cancelling is cheating and thinks any form of movement that they judge as exploitative like simple dodging/rerouting is not giving the horror experience they want, or that statement could refer to something like circle or long kiting, it depends on who was saying it

[burnt goblet]

Lmfaoooo

[rigid escarp]

It was pretty vague, yeah. But they didn't respond so

Artek thinks reload cancelling is cheating?

have the devs even said if they consider it an exploit

[real moss]

Oh man you guys really dragged him into this 😅

[burnt goblet]

😂

[nocturne flax]

are you running from the scan room (yes) (no_

if yes, its kiting

if no then you mostly likely playing the game

ty for coming to my ted talk

[rigid escarp]

Also, to be fair, I had somehow forgotten that kiting is uh, a hot button topic - or at least it was last time I was here.

[wary olive]

i mean im sure he's not alone, some play GTFO for the horror experience and they think that those type of things makes the combat too gimicky and arcade-y

[rigid escarp]

so woops

People had strong opinions about respawning rooms and kiting when r5 dropped

[nocturne flax]

they were both wrong i will reassure you that

[rigid escarp]

Personally my favorite part about gtfo is the team aspects of stealth and gunplay, so kiting isn't really the reason I play the game at all. But I do think its fun to watch how a really experienced player navigates a level to avoid and slow down enemies in solo runs.

[real moss]

If you wanna laugh look at game suggestions from 11th and 13 november. This is what they want now

[nocturne flax]

are you respawn blocking (yes) (no)
if yes then you silly and need to learn the game mechanics better
if no then you know the stealth mechanic

[rigid escarp]

wait respawn blocking is bad?

i used to do that

[hard cape]

I think kiting is crucial for these who challenge themselves to solo runs. Otherwise I can't think of anyway to solo almost any level. Since they added stamina it's definitely harder to do solo.

[nocturne flax]

Of course it is

[real moss]

Bruh ngl I am spawn blocking on R5 😂

[nocturne flax]

who the fuck thinks its a good idea to leave a brother sitting for 20 min doing jack shit while the others clean the rooms

[real moss]

R5A2 and R5C1 most def

[nocturne flax]

your quite literally ruining someone else experience

[burnt goblet]

Oh trust me my guy I have, I've seen some of those suggestions 😂

[rigid escarp]

We did this every time in a2

[hexed vapor]

Most of my opinion comes from very old debates on the subject. When these discussions were more fresh, I took big issue with people saying that more extreme forms of kiting were cheese strats and should be viewed as such. This is the sort of view that I think is absolutely an oversimplification of what kiting is and how players should react to it.

For one, you can't just remove the cheese strat from the game. Kiting arises from core game mechanics that are largely intentional, and you can't easily target specific systems without overhauling movement as a whole (which stamina is an attempt to do). That it exists at all is a balance issue, because dodging enemy attacks is absurdly easy, so easy that people can solo otherwise exceedingly difficult content while using kiting to stay alive.

It's also not something you can easily avoid as a player by just choosing not to cheese. You're not just choosing not top jump into a spot where enemies can't hit you, you have to decide how much dodging and what kinds of dodging you need to avoid, and here is where I don't think you can avoid the problem. No reasonably skilled player is going to stand there and die. If they know how, they will reposition while avoiding attacks, and find openings to kill enemies. Hammering enemies while dodging them, especially circle kiting specifically, isn't that out there in this regard. Ultimately, a lot of the kiting that doesn't feel like circle kiting, but uses the same principles, is just a well-disguised form of circle-kiting. It's fundamentally the same thing, only you're either unaware of what exactly you're doing (and how much you can expand upon it) or you're disguising what you're doing because it's more fun or you perceive it as more fair.

[real moss]

Bro I'll stay there if you want. Imma have a W.nk. but not doing that room twice

[nocturne flax]

DONT CLEAR THE ROOM

JUST STEALTH PAST THEM

ITS 2 MIN

VS 20 AND A POSSIBLE WIPE!!!!

Extraction sequence tho in r5c1

fire

[rigid escarp]

This all seems reasonable.

[real moss]

Yeah R5C1 sure. you can keep it for last. R5A2 tho imma kill all these mf's

[rigid escarp]

I'm with you so far.

[nocturne flax]

not like a striker can stop a good player fr fr

you only clear that room 3 times i think

[real moss]

True. but still when they get key. you can have a dude waiting for 2 minutes

[nocturne flax]

quite the chore for a new player

[rigid escarp]

The devs have clearly tried to implement stuff to make it not an option, like S alarms, and stamina, but trying to balance around the highest levels of play is playing wack-a-mole in terms of balance. I think the real goal with stamina was to make kiting harder, not impossible - because to be fair, it really was easy to avoid getting hit around r5.

But I have no idea how easy it is now in comparison because I haven't invested in relearning post stamina changes.

[real moss]

After that bridge room still blocks Spawns. so you done

[rigid escarp]

Partially because I enjoy the stuff that dedicated focus on kiting sort of makes redundant - gunplay and team coordination

[nocturne flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvqUu2fZixI this be my face when respawn blocking

[real moss]

😂

[nocturne flax]

i just love this meme

im gonna get ban eventually

lmao

[real moss]

You been spamming this so much

[rigid escarp]

Personally, I wish we could see enemies respawn out of the cocoons. Then respawn blocking wouldn't have to be a thing

they'd respawn whether you were there or not

[real moss]

yes but we elitists and gatekeepers 😔

[rigid escarp]

but some of the cocoon placements in r5 are really frustrating if you don't block

unless i'm missing something that's the intended way to deal with it

[nocturne flax]

unless its a giant then tbh its just gonna die the second it respawns

[wary olive]

It's definitely more difficult now, but not impossible. Requires much more precise movements and good stamina management

SGX showed you can still just walk in a circle and kite a group of strikers forever, just need to manage your sprints

[hexed vapor]

Stamina was mostly good at removing it from PuGs

[wary olive]

People meme and say that stamina didn't fix kiting, but from what I heard about the prime days of kiting, it's fixed the problem of kiting in most pubs

[hexed vapor]

which is a good thing.

[wary olive]

Yeah

[nocturne flax]

i mean that was the whole point of it

i would get pretty tired as a dev if i see 4 people trying to run away from my game

instead of playing it

[rigid escarp]

I don't really see an issue with really good players exploiting the game. They're gonna figure out a way to do that no matter what you do.

The issue is when you can do it by accident, and then use it to trivialize huge parts of the game with almost no experience

[hexed vapor]

It hurts really good players more than anyone tbh, and in general it made the game a lot less fun to play.

Kiting is massively braindead.

[real moss]

Are they good tho? or do they only come so far cause they cheese?

[hexed vapor]

And if the game doesn't have ways of preventing you from doing it, it becomes sort of optimal, unfortunately.

[nocturne flax]

Nobody gives a crap about solo, but the fact that people would watch solo's and try to copy that in 4 man team more than capable to beat the level its where you had this issue

[real moss]

The amount of players who would never had an R7E1 clear if door cheese was not there .........

[rigid escarp]

For the purpose of my statement, I was referring to good players, so tautologically they're good, because those are the players I was referring to. Depends on how you define cheese though I guess?

[burnt goblet]

Back in the day when people would bunnyhop and bonk entire rooms

[nocturne flax]

i mean you can still do that

nothing really change

as a matter of fact its better now

[burnt goblet]

You don't see it too often anymore

[nocturne flax]

with hammer having 20 billion stagger

[hard cape]

There are so many cheese in E1 it almost felt intentional

[real moss]

Yes but it begs the question

how many would still be grinding it or would have abandoned if it was not there

[burnt goblet]

There's no checkpoints so they had to come up with ways that most players could still beat it lmfao

[wary olive]

Intentional cheese added? Or poor design with lack of comprehensive testing

[real moss]

I saw A LOT of pubs just go for door cheese from the get go

[rigid escarp]

I mean, in that scenario, the issue is that the optimal strategy is boring, and ultimately im not sure how much that matters unless the optimal strategy is also required, you know? Which, I didn't get far enough into r5 to know if it was, but I remember people saying kiting was mandatory in later levels, and if so that was obviously an issue, because a boring strategy being mandatory is bad.

[nocturne flax]

they had to extend the invisible wall just a tiny bit

quite literally

[wary olive]

D1 overload prepatch moment

[nocturne flax]

hell still an easy fix

they just dont wanna fix the reactor kekw

[rigid escarp]

I've certainly played games that had kiting that was really engaging. Clearly that wasn't the case before, and may still not be the case now.

[real moss]

It really is just that 😂😂

[nocturne flax]

like for real

just extend that invisible wall

[burnt goblet]

Pretty sure that was just an oversight, it got fixed (relatively, this is 10c) soon

[nocturne flax]

thats it

you fix r7e1

[real moss]

That's why R8 will have: no reactor or reactor on E tier

[nocturne flax]

im tired of reactors on E tiers

[burnt goblet]

How about no E tier at all and 5 D levels

[nocturne flax]

i know its only 2

but i want other things

[mortal granite]

stop playing legacy then

[wary olive]

Same could be said of like the arena scan chargers only spawning from 1 room, it's oversight

[nocturne flax]

more moving

[mortal granite]

[hard cape]

I'm just tired of doing kiting pablo over and over again because someone makes a silly mistake either in P mom room or the reactor room. It feels great when I first saw the pablo and two tanks, but after over dozens of repetition I just want to puke

[nocturne flax]

i dont play those shitty mods

sector 21 my beloved

[mortal granite]

we should just play deep dive

[real moss]

Yeah but you did it legit first time around. I'm talking about those who never did it legit

[hexed vapor]

The problem is that a lot of good players enjoy partaking in the optimal strategy and still finding the game engaging and challenging. GTFO is a game you're kind of meant to tryhard. Avoiding kiting to some extent is noble, but at the end of the day it's the same as doing some challenge like all bio, no HUD, etc., and that's generally not something many people are interested in engaging it, myself included.

[real moss]

And I agree E1 is not "fun"

[mortal granite]

immortal at the start sound great on paper

in practice tho

[real moss]

Yet I'm not gonna Block pablo in

[burnt goblet]

There's some changes that need to be made, since I'm almost 100% positive he's coming back

[rigid escarp]

Im a little surprised to hear you say this after saying that "Kiting is massively braindead" - I'm assuming your comment about it making the game less fun to play only applies to pre stamina kiting?

[real moss]

R8 B tier : hello madafakaaa's

[mortal granite]

imagine everytime you messed up, you just... run

[rigid escarp]

I get the idea, I'm mostly contrasting their statement about poeple finding kiting fun and engaging and challenging, and it being braindead.

[mortal granite]

R5 is really long rundown with every mission take A WHILE to finish

and people would just, mistake happen? kite

room woke up? kite\

[hexed vapor]

Pre-stamina, yeah. I don't have a strong opinion on it rn tbh, but that might also be because I haven't bothered optimizing for stamina post-R6.

You had some people claim circle kiting was a "skill" in R1-R5, but it really wasn't very hard to do. You could hammer almost everything in every level, and it was actually so fucking boring.

[nocturne flax]

playing it legit took long in r5, with kiting even longer kekw

[mortal granite]

R5C2 extreme

[rigid escarp]

I remember those discussions, yeah. I think I even saw you post something long about it on the reddit

you show up a lot there

[nocturne flax]

still proud of that 50 min r5e1 clear in less than a hour full clear with the boyz

[hexed vapor]

Yep.

[rigid escarp]

r5 was weird though

[mortal granite]

first time playing R5E1? 3 hours

[burnt goblet]

Rays around a lot

[rigid escarp]

At the time, I sort of got the impression, perhaps erroneously, that the game both expected you TO kite, and tried to punish you for doing it

which was weird

Watching people kite these days, it certainly doesn't look nearly as boring as I remember.

[mortal granite]

well, the game advertise a lot that, you have to shoot the incoming wave

[nocturne flax]

everybody been saying that since i started playing kekw

its just that your getting overwhelmed

and you find it easier to run than to strategize

[rigid escarp]

There was 2 of us

[real moss]

The trailers are a lot of pew pew indeed

[rigid escarp]

[nocturne flax]

wich is just like rayalot said

"braindead"

[rigid escarp]

at a certain point you don't have enough gunpower to hold ground

[wary olive]

It's the players who don't have the gun skill + movement + knowledge to clear levels without circle/long kiting that say that

[mortal granite]

put sentry down, mine on door, cfoam on door, bio ping, gun shooting

[hexed vapor]

That was another problem. People were so used to it, and it was so much easier than acquiring some shooting skill, that there was a perception that you needed kiting to get through a lot of stuff.

[rigid escarp]

But also, I don't feel like running currently is braindead. Maybe I just suck at it.

[real moss]

R5 trailer is mostly shooting iirc

[hexed vapor]

In truth, you've always had plenty of ammo.

[mortal granite]

it's really really CLEAR that the game was designed for player to shoot the wave

[rigid escarp]

It certainly felt braindead in r5

[rigid escarp]

But to say it like this, sort of implied to me you think it's still the case.

[nocturne flax]

why do you mean the cfoam slow enemies down for me to shoot

[rigid escarp]

Maybe I read that wrong.

[mortal granite]

and then R5, we have every fucking lobby start kiting everytime they fucked up

[paper harness]

skill issue

[mortal granite]

imma c foam your ass

[nocturne flax]

no, your just putting words in my mouth

[rigid escarp]

Feel free to clarify then.

[real moss]

👀

[paper harness]

just design new enemies that you can't kite

[nocturne flax]

it couldnt be more clear

[paper harness]

[mortal granite]

people will just find a way

[burnt goblet]

Big brain time

[mortal granite]

charger being the "anti kite" enemy

[rigid escarp]

Well, I've asked to to clarify, so you can keep saying skill issue, or you can help with the miscommunication.

[mortal granite]

"start kiting lol"

[rigid escarp]

Being passive aggressive gives you internet points, but it sure doesn't move the conversation.

[mortal granite]

talking issue

[nocturne flax]

i wasnt been passive agressive, your just interpreting it like that

[rigid escarp]

Ok

[nocturne flax]

sounds more like a you problem than me

[rigid escarp]

Neat

So are you gonna clarify or

[nocturne flax]

because that sentence its as clear as water

[rigid escarp]

I'll take that as a no

Very cool

Moving on

[hard cape]

When I started play GTFO in R5, it felt so weird. Sometimes we have a person just kite the waves around, and we 3 newbies don't even have to worry about any enemy at all. I agree long distance kiting should be punished

[wary olive]

The new form of pub long kiting is "we woke up a scout, let's wipe"

So cancer mentality

[mortal granite]

the devs should make player that kite trip and fall

[burnt goblet]

Triggering 1-2 scout ways really isn't that big of a deal

[mortal granite]

[burnt goblet]

Just shoot them all

[nocturne flax]

thats been a thing since forever tho

[burnt goblet]

Mine a door If you have too

[nocturne flax]

woke up scout, we died

reset

[rigid escarp]

do it like brawl did: every frame that you spend moving there's a chance you get stunned

rng based speedruns lets go

[mortal granite]

you take damage when you sprint too much

[wary olive]

Wouldn't the first option be to kite before resetting though

I had a R7D2 where the guy made us return to lobby twice in a row after pulling that 5 charger scout room because we wasted too much ammo....

[nocturne flax]

Since forever if you have one those panicky players, if a scout trigger it meant reset

back all the way in r2 i had several like that

r2b2 scout room for example

everybody at 80% ammo and tool and shit

[mortal granite]

back in R2, i'll tk people on scan if they don't want to scan

[hexed vapor]

Brooo, I remember someone that really didn't want me to clear that room.

They were like

[nocturne flax]

trigger 1 of the 5 scouts

[mortal granite]

[hexed vapor]

"Wait out here, be really careful"

[nocturne flax]

homeboy felt like that world died

[hexed vapor]

I proceed to walk in, kill a scout, and then they RQ.

[nocturne flax]

i screamed: ITS JUST 12 ENEMIES MY MAN

[hexed vapor]

I don't think they ever beat that level.

[nocturne flax]

NO, he said to me as he returned to lobby

[hexed vapor]

Tbf, kinda toxic of me, but fuck them lmfao.

[wary olive]

You didn't listen to ze captain

[rigid escarp]

we did r1d1 the other day and accidentally woke up every single room before the reactor on the main path, including like 4-5 scouts, and had to hold a wave with me being the only player with ammo, and managed to get through without running or kiting at all

[mortal granite]

look at these toxic individuals

all of them are veteran

[nocturne flax]

famous final words

[rigid escarp]

jokes aside, GTFO definitely filters out non-dedicated players, and i think you'll find that the dedicated players of most games have very uh
strong emotions about those games

[nocturne flax]

imagine meeting captain alpha during r2e1

coudlnt be me

promise to carry end ups dying with a baby

never forgettin

[rigid escarp]

total tangent

[mortal granite]

brother, we get to 99% extraction and the host internet get DC

[rigid escarp]

are there any levels which have chargers in an easy spot near the start or a checkpoint to practice combat with

(currently available non modded obviously)

o-o

[hard cape]

R6D2

all the monsters are chargers

[rigid escarp]

and how does one currently play r6d2 unmodded

[nocturne flax]

just go play modded

[hard cape]

You just don't update

[nocturne flax]

rule 12 got the link

[rigid escarp]

Isn't there a rule against saying this here

[nocturne flax]

pretty easy setup

[nocturne flax]

you cannot post modded stuff nor play modded stuff here

thats all

[rigid escarp]

gotcha

[nocturne flax]

im a moderator there

[rigid escarp]

bit late for me to do this also

[wary olive]

You want chargers for shooting practice?

[rigid escarp]

I do

I wanna test some stuff

[hard cape]

If you play long enough you touch mod eventually. Either for more fun stuff or mod maps.

[nocturne flax]

literally the only thing some people got to do its just not post or be a edgelord when it comes to modding

[rigid escarp]

I believe you but I'm currently not interested in looking into it

[nocturne flax]

but that proves waay to difficult for some people in that server : ]

[rigid escarp]

Is this a bad thing, or do you have a level to recommend

[wary olive]

Why specifically chargers

[hexed vapor]

R7B3 Overload is your best bet I think, but it's literally at the very end of the level.

[rigid escarp]

Cuz i fought them recently and want to practice shooting them with shotguns without getting beat to death

[hexed vapor]

Just pull the room.

[rigid escarp]

Is it near a checkpoint so I can reset and go again?

[hexed vapor]

Or pick up cargo and work w/ the error.

Yes.

CP right before the HSU room

[rigid escarp]

Exactly what im lookin for

Thanks chief

[hexed vapor]

which connects to Overload.

[rigid escarp]

[hard cape]

Wait

there is one

D2

pull the charger room

[rigid escarp]

I don't have access to D tiers in r7 yet unfortunately

My friend and I only got to c1 as duos, we'll be working our way there now that we have a third

I was able to run solo+bots on all the b tiers though

so it should be fine

[wary olive]

im not sure how helpful soloing charger alarm/rooms will be for shooting

its very movement reliant, the shooting part for chargers is pretty easy

[rigid escarp]

I mostly wanna practice the distance that shooting them with pump 1 shots

same with choke

I've messed it up a lot

[nocturne flax]

aim center at chest

sumps up the dealing chargers with shotguns

[rigid escarp]

Also, the uh, armor multiplier thing - do chargers take less damage to the head?

[nocturne flax]

as long as your not trying to extend that choke distance too much and not trying to snipe with pump your fine

[rigid escarp]

I know they have no crit spot there

[nocturne flax]

chargers just dont have crits

[hard cape]

I use DMR for chargers. Efficient and ammo saving

[nocturne flax]

meaning you dont get any pres damage

you still get x2 too the back

depending on angle

[rigid escarp]

I've had this issue a lot so I still want to practice it

[nocturne flax]

that b3 overload its packing

[rigid escarp]

Im wanting to do it because In a real game I messed it up a lot, not because I'm theoretically worried

[nocturne flax]

so set up a sniper sentry when practicing that

some big charger in there too to make your life better

[rigid escarp]

Other question

[hard cape]

I hate when BBC clap my face. They used to clap only twice, and now somehow they can keep punching till Im dead

[rigid escarp]

Do chargers have the same melee range for their tongue as normal strikers?

[mortal granite]

no

[rigid escarp]

They seem like

way more aggresive with it

[hard cape]

They more into punching than licking

[mortal granite]

you can check my video

[nocturne flax]

chargers have the same tongue range as giants afaik

[nocturne flax]

self advertisement, your htting a new low

[mortal granite]

why not

[nocturne flax]

you should probably check a quick guide someone made to beat r7b3 overload

[mortal granite]

it is information

[rigid escarp]

Where video 🥺

[mortal granite]

https://youtu.be/S0GO_Z7kzC8

see yellow cat

[rigid escarp]

I'll take a look. Thanks chief.

[mortal granite]

advertisement

[rigid escarp]

wait

is this pre r6

old hammer skins

[mortal granite]

this video is r4

[real moss]

bruv

[nocturne flax]

https://www.youtube.com/@CaptainAlpha953

check this channel

[mortal granite]

basically still relevant

[hard cape]

The video is more than 1 year ago of course

[rigid escarp]

very cool

[nocturne flax]

he speedruns payday 2 by just glitching trough the map too!

over 25 WR

[real moss]

Playing as intended

[rigid escarp]

I mean, old hammer used to have different stealth stuff, couldn't you just 1 tap to the back of striker heads?

I'll watch anyways tho

[mortal granite]

not like 1 tap

how enemy works

[rigid escarp]

kay

[nocturne flax]

Just like god himself wanted it

[real moss]

He is right tho. you need to update your vids. Make new ones pls

[nocturne flax]

yeah alhpa

[mortal granite]

nah, that took too much time

[nocturne flax]

stop deleting 45 gb of footage

!!!!!!

[mortal granite]

and people would just use datamined info now a day

[real moss]

Aha a lazy content creator

[mortal granite]

i deleted 150GB of footage

[nocturne flax]

tbh the game didnt change that much

[rigid escarp]

Also: People still play payday 2?

[mortal granite]

the only thing i can add is hammer mother and tank

[rigid escarp]

I got out after the whole skin fiasco, sort of tainted it for me

[real moss]

It is even still getting new heists

[nocturne flax]

legit my old tool video still relevant somehow the only thing i just gotta do its uptdate the fact that sentries dont get back damage

and your good kekw

[rigid escarp]

crazy

[nocturne flax]

15 dolla

[mortal granite]

yes

[real moss]

For me it was over after getting the secret ending

You know when they said: PD2 is done

[mortal granite]

basically over

[nocturne flax]

its done

[real moss]

😂

[nocturne flax]

its just miling at this point

[rigid escarp]

when was this?

[mortal granite]

these DLC is just to fund pd3 because something happen

[real moss]

White house heist

[rigid escarp]

I played since like, the moment it came out, so i either missed it or left before it

[mortal granite]

[rigid escarp]

Yeah i left before that

[nocturne flax]

you have to make builds

[real moss]

I know what happened 😅

[nocturne flax]

or else im unsubcribing

where are my 35 million variation of stoic builds

[real moss]

I think I got the border crossing heist tho.

But that's the last I got

[mortal granite]

you could basically make a "shitty build" video

make everyone mad

bait them into watching your video more

[nocturne flax]

I could fake a speedrtun

even better

[mortal granite]

no, shitty build sound better and faster

last one get 200k views

[real moss]

Just make a GTFO level tier guide and watch the community crumble because of your vid

[mortal granite]

make shitty build video, people mock you, send your vid to their friend so they can bully you x10

[mortal granite]

i have no taste on the tier list thing

so i'll be perfect to mess with everyone in this community

GENIUS

[real moss]

there you go

[mortal granite]

i really really want to make a R7D1 guide video

it's so depressing that every R7D1 pub lobby i joined, they just cheese it

[rigid escarp]

people still use matchmaking?

I was told it's dead

[nocturne flax]

Those people are correct

The only time it was truly alive was when it release

And thats it

[mortal granite]

"game have no MM, no buy"

"game have MM, but i don't like it, no buy"

[real moss]

Just grab some non cheesers

[mortal granite]

but that's the thing, you want to make a guide, you need to know how average people play

and then from that, form a guide that's suited to them

[nocturne flax]

This was never an issue

[nocturne flax]

He better not record me sick like last time

Theyre looking for a guide

[mortal granite]

i still have footage, i just need how other people play

[nocturne flax]

They either follow it or not

[mortal granite]

"how to beat R4E1"

"Circle kite because it's easy"

[nocturne flax]

As long as the strategy its simple to understand

[rigid escarp]

IMO Bots helped a lot more than MM

[nocturne flax]

Or you know... sit with revolver for 30 min until your homeboy finishes the codes

[mortal granite]

i haven't done a full clear of R4E1

[nocturne flax]

[mortal granite]

just finished the reactore and f off

i want to come back and kill everything

[nocturne flax]

Well you already know whst to do

[real moss]

Average people can follow the guide to become better than average

[real moss]

R4E1 inc

[nocturne flax]

We did attempted and almost kill all 4 moms to moms while reactor waves were going on

[nocturne flax]

R4e1 what

[real moss]

Incoming

[mortal granite]

hmmm

we got it

[wet ravine]

''nevermind''

[lost holly]

God i miss old gtfo and r4e1. It was peak game

R5 was pretty nice too though

I remember the first time i turned off tank error, first time going into reactor to get codes and then high part

Probably the best and hardest level ever despite bunny hopping

[mortal granite]

i remember the part where people said they hated R5 with a burning passion

[lost holly]

R5d1 was so good

C levels too

I miss my old duo partner 😭

[lost holly]

Luckily i dont have to lose something to know its value

[mortal granite]

R5 was the rundown where it literally have no new enemy, nothing new except that last tile on E1

[cedar haven]

do you all think R2 will be release on December?

[tranquil crow]

i hope so 😦

[cedar haven]

I hope so

Or if they cant make it in time.. just release all of it without balancing anything hahaha

[mortal granite]

that's a bad idea

[cedar haven]

True but I dont mind playing if it's harder. bad idea you're meaning it'll be monotonous ?

[mortal granite]

well, R7 was a mess and the community react to it

you don't want that to happen on ALL other ALT rundown do you?

[half hornet]

I love having 30 fps when looking at an arbitrary random corner

[mortal granite]

see?

[real moss]

Floodways. And...... charger scouts 🤡

[half hornet]

What is it doing in there? Simulating fungus growth?

[mortal granite]

people goes so hard on R5 when it first release

and then when people on R6 R7

now we like, "Man i love R5"

[real moss]

R5 for me is the best just cause it is the hardest

[half hornet]

R6 was relatively fine

R7 actually had a boost in performance, EXCEPT for new bio tileset

[real moss]

I love it while playing it

[mortal granite]

it's like we have conflict with our own thought process

[real moss]

But yes. community was like: R5 too hard. devs: ok here is R6, much easier. Community: surprised pikachu face

[twin dirge]

people complaining R7 isn't optimized as if they didn't play R6

[wet ravine]

youre talking to the guy now

no, really.

[atomic escarp]

To be fair R5B1 having an error big charger alarm in High was probably way too much

And I felt like some parts were way too long and might have been a different level altogether instead of a sector

R5C2's Extreme comes to mind

To which many might reply that the same could be said of any sector that doesn't directly interfere with how you do High

I'll agree, of course, that R6 was a snoozefest

[real moss]

R5B1 Error was fine imo. It was a very short Error. Not really too much. You had to shoot yourself through the rooms yes

[atomic escarp]

IIRC it got nerfed cause it had way too much enemies inside in the first version

that reminds me of r6d2 error + class 5 cluster

and the blood door afterward with the scout behind it

[real moss]

Nah this was way more straightforward

[atomic escarp]

And to be fair I doubt anyone new at the game did that without having either someone telling them where the terms were or without trying it multiple (a lot) times

[real moss]

Ooh that 's possible

[real moss]

Ofc not but R5 was terrible for new players

[atomic escarp]

I recall the notes saying something along the lines of "adjusted number of enemies inside the zones" but I could be wrong

[atomic escarp]

closest to shooting through the rooms with charger error i had since r6.5

[real moss]

It is Def possible

[real moss]

yes that is true.

But this was just: rush inside zone and find HSU. Do scan. Error stops

Now that I think about it kinda an reverse HSU in a way. Normally the Error starts when scan finishes 🤔

Oh well

[prisma zodiac]

R5B1 had bbcs and a scout aswell as some of the current enemys in the zones with the hsu on release

we were decently new and clutched through first try

But god that was awful

[real moss]

For me R5B1 it was the ovl that was kind off the do or die

never wiped on sec if iirc

Did on main, but did more on ovl

R5B2 was definitely 95%of wipes in ovl 😅😭

[prisma zodiac]

I wiped 3 times on main :^ )

never on overload

how? ari trying to combat shotgun a scout and failing. And that triggering another scout

[red yacht]

Just smack it in the head with hammer or spear

[prisma zodiac]

imagine using spear for that
#RIPTHESPEAR

That was mostly 4fun back then also lol

[astral ferry]

give spear back its lingering hitbox !
multi-hit will make it viable !
#gtfo-media message

[west crow]

Functional pierce mechanic

[rigid escarp]

My team of new players at the time never got to the error alarm in our several tries.

There was some rough RNG potential, we once had two scouts spawn in a tiny room so close together that they would always cover each other with the tentacles and wouldn't leave the room, but the room would be woken if we did a necessary alarm. That's a lot for b1, on top of everything else it did

[west crow]

Kill the scouts 🤓

[rigid escarp]

kILl tHe sCoUtS

[pliant pasture]

no bonks?

[rigid escarp]

Iirc we got one of the two

Second woke up when we got em tho

[west crow]

🙏 bless

Another team conquering the 12 sleeper penalty wave

[mortal portal]

Dang, I remember those runs. Good ol' days, I miss playing with you guys

[nocturne flax]

When r2

[atomic escarp]

when twitter becomes a civilized platform

[pliant pasture]

is it more or less civilized if it's abandoned?

[atomic escarp]

less civilized

[pliant pasture]

rip

no hope

[atomic escarp]

it is what it is

[pliant pasture]

que sera, sera

[hard cape]

Hey guys. Is there a community for mod maps?

[pliant pasture]

probably on the MOD discord

[errant vigil]

The link to the server is in rule 12

Mostly bad stuff some good

More good stuff recently

[hard cape]

That server is alive only in text chat though

[honest lotus]

XD

[jolly perch]

when is r2

[astral ferry]

when is r3

[raven flare]

when is r4

[jolly perch]

when is r9

oh wait

[past bough]

when are you going to shut the fuck up about the rundowns

[night prawn]

Chaos difficulty tweak

[hard cape]

Meta Desync moment

[paper harness]

R2 when?

[hidden crater]

Yesterday

U missed it

[rigid escarp]

Fr fr?

[hidden crater]

Fr

[rigid escarp]

Neat

[twin dirge]

when is R2

[real moss]

They unreleased it again m8

[rigid escarp]

[paper harness]

R2 when?

[real moss]

after R3

[paper harness]

R2 where

[hidden crater]

Two days ago

[paper harness]

R2 why?

[atomic escarp]

Cuz game dead 🧢

IMHO a girl like Bocchi has no reasons to be that socially anxious

🤔

I know, it's THONKING material

[candid dragon]

Just dont have social anxiety 5head

[paper harness]

R2 how?

[real moss]

steamdb

[paper harness]

This is so sad

Can we please threaten some modders with legal action

[real moss]

Doc is not here anymore m8

[paper harness]

The whole dev team isn't here anymore

[mortal granite]

man, we have to bring up something 2 years ago

[paper harness]

It's just an intern copy pasting the map files

[mortal granite]

again to make it relevant

[real moss]

when captain beta?

[paper harness]

Is that the real captain alpha?

[mortal granite]

when i said so

[paper harness]

Big fan

W0w

[real moss]

Kinda toxic m8

[mortal granite]

imma have to make a 2 hours video about the devs and bring up the same thing 3 years ago

[real moss]

😂

tss tss tss

[paper harness]

This is so sad, can we get a 40 minute scaler video explaining the implications of alternative rundowns

[mortal granite]

we do have people bringing up the "Safes" payday 2 fiasco

and it was 7 years ago

the 2015 incident

[real moss]

People still talk about that???

[mortal granite]

some people still salty about it

and everytime you mention payday 2 to those people, they'll be salty and bring it up

[paper harness]

Thanks captain alpha

Big fan

[real moss]

At that point it's time for them to come out of their cave for the first time in 15 years and soak up some vit D

[mortal granite]

it's 7 years ago

7 years

[real moss]

Yeah but to be that salty, you have been working the salt mines for way longer

[mortal granite]

basically this meme but with docred in the graph

[real moss]

Oh well. I just hope GTFO R8 will be less of a clusterf*ck than CS:GO R8 on release.

When my grandchildren play it ofc

[rigid escarp]

The correct response was to stop playing payday 2 and move on

The odds of gtfo doing that are like 0

They're clearly committed to not making us buy anything other than the game itself

[past bough]

man copying and pasting an old rundown must be really hard

[prisma zodiac]

Ah yes, much copy. Lots of paste

[forest horizon]

At least give the man some credit, he added hybrids to R1C1. Truly revolutionary

[real moss]

This! 👆

How dare y'all be so ...... agressive? 😏

[nocturne flax]

Daily reminder that if r2 doesnt improve any existing features i will probably stab myself in the dick

Pls 10cc dont dissapoint

[astral ferry]

flyers in r2e1 !!!

surprise! we hope veterans enjoy this special twist on a beloved map

[errant vigil]

R2E1 but final surge is chargers

and you can't recfoam the doors

[hard cape]

war hammer is coming in a few days

[daring pilot]

R2E1 but with 5 minibosses, shockers, and a squid

[hard cape]

and there is callisto protocol in December. Dead Space remake in coming spring. So I'm not really worried. Just move on

[errant vigil]

Better than just regulars and some shadows

[daring pilot]

yah I hope ALL of the levels have gotten a lot tougher, R1's upper levels felt way too easy even for my friend who had never played before

[nocturne flax]

Because r1 its quite literally barebones gtfo

[daring pilot]

yeah I hope they add more spitters

:3

[real moss]

plz make vid

[nocturne flax]

Of what

I already did everything under the sun

[real moss]

the stabbing thing

[nocturne flax]

Oh yeah

We doing it

100%

You invited

[real moss]

you *

[nocturne flax]

Youll do the honors

We'll say no homo afterwards so your fine

[real moss]

keep the socks on etc

[nocturne flax]

Dont touch my balls when you get to stab me

The socks dont cover that

Dream r2 be like

We fix bots positioning so they dont get in the way when fighting

[real moss]

chargers back

[nocturne flax]

We fix bots resource logic

[atomic escarp]

Fix bots stagger during combat

[nocturne flax]

Matchmaking got backend fixes and improvements

[daring pilot]

I pray

[nocturne flax]

New feature: you can now kick people of lobbys!

[daring pilot]

We fixed bots so they prioritize fog repellers over lock melters

[real moss]

mann with these expectations you gon be stabbin so hard

[nocturne flax]

Fixed bot sentry danger not working as intended!

[daring pilot]

I’d love a bot overhaul

[nocturne flax]

Bots will now actively avoid minibosses unless theres a teamscan active!

[errant vigil]

Fixed sentry's targeting on headless chargers

[daring pilot]

We got a mini update in R7 but now they treat lock melters like they’re gonna save them from a tank

[nocturne flax]

Me too

[daring pilot]

yeah they just avoid them now

[nocturne flax]

Me too

[atomic escarp]

Witnessed that 30 mins ago, how quaint

[nocturne flax]

No they dont

Unless it was a shadow oatch i didnt know

[daring pilot]

Pablo

[atomic escarp]

They still take hits like target wood

[nocturne flax]

Yep

I could go on bots for half an hour if i want to tbh

[daring pilot]

They’re super scared of Pablo now

[nocturne flax]

Wait

Hold on

[daring pilot]

So much that they sometimes don’t even do the scan now

[nocturne flax]

Oh you memeing

Me dumb

[atomic escarp]

Never had that with my pals

[daring pilot]

No they actually avoid him now

[nocturne flax]

False

[atomic escarp]

True

[daring pilot]

I didn’t believe it either

[nocturne flax]

1

[atomic escarp]

2

[daring pilot]

But azert showed me

Well told me, i checked myself

[nocturne flax]

Your most likely see them tryng to dodge a hit

[daring pilot]

Nope, they actively moonwalk away

[nocturne flax]

They dont do that with any boss in game

[daring pilot]

Like fast moonwalk

They don’t shoot it either

Wasn’t in patch notes but it happened before R1 drop

[nocturne flax]

Ill go and test after work and see if its true even tho ill probably know the outcome

[daring pilot]

It’s true, yeah I was pretty skeptical too

[atomic escarp]

You question my bot Mastery? How dare you 😭

[daring pilot]

They still bio ping him tho which is pretty annoying

[nocturne flax]

Because if that was the case then it should work with tank, mom etc

[daring pilot]

Unfortunately I think its just a pablo thing

[atomic escarp]

It does with tank