Sadly I didn't have people to play the game with at the time R5 was around so I didn't go past B1
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
real moss
R4 as well. Need to get clean [1,1,1,1]
real moss
We only played from R6 onwards
Well R6D1 is a better reactor than R1C1 😏
prisma zodiac
wave wise: for sure
aside that? i actually prefer the ressource management of C1 more than the pure afk of R6D1. Tho thats mostly because BOTH of them are soooo simple ....
like they rly arent comparable to r5b1 overload
where you get sent chargers, hybrids, bbcs
burnt goblet
bbcs 😳
sharp merlin
R5B1 overload is overshadowed by how bad the extreme was mang
tough badger
ex wasn't bad it was just twice as long as it needed to be
errant vigil
The overload was just hel weaponry cringe
Not very fun at all, R1C1 remake basically
If only a Mother or Tank on the wave
or Both
sharp merlin
Nah it was fun
errant vigil
R5C2 extreme's reactor was fun blind
tough badger
Both were fun
prisma zodiac
R5B1 overload is overshadowed by how bad the extreme was mang
there was no extreme
only main and overload 
real moss
R5B1 was fun
bold widget
true gtfo moment
last gust
wave wise: for sure
aside that? i actually prefer the ressource management of C1...
I've been thinking after having done r7e1 duo
that although r7e1 reactor has code logfiles with pretty tight time limits, and 2 tanks,
the waves are for some weird reason so much tamer than those in r6d1
prisma zodiac
hmm
last gust
there's basically zero waveclear anywhere in r7e1
prisma zodiac
1st wave for sure is easier
last gust
like why bring anything other than choke shotty?
prisma zodiac
the flyer wave switches between super calm and pretty rough. Tho i think the switchup is better done in r6d1
Chargers are also not too bad.
Its mostly the last wave thats actually quite rough (tank + chargers + double sided spawns with smalls)
prisma zodiac
like why bring anything other than choke shotty?
converted 
last gust
do you know how many refills you need to kill a tank with choke shotty?
it's kinda dirty
silent kettle
high cal better
prisma zodiac
technically 1 for a whole kill @last gust
or rather less than 1
but its unreliable if you dont sicko mode
prisma zodiac
high cal better
last gust
lol, I'm not sure how you're doing it with less than 1
I was going to say that ahto got a solo tank kill with 12 shots
prisma zodiac
you can 1 tap each tumor iirc no?
last gust
nah need 2 shots per tumor
though there is overspill if you're client
even at 14 shots though, that's a refill and a half
sniper requires 2
prisma zodiac
ah right i calculated for mom crit dmg
last gust
all these veteran crews bringing sniper on e1 to "save ammo" are mistaken
last gust
it's really not a big issue
the only advantage of sniper against tanks imo is speed
this is not to say that I think sniper is bad (though ahto has aired that view)
but it does have me raising an eyebrow at choke
prisma zodiac
if you dont want to wait ages for each tumor (and lose sanity on the pablo holder) then you will miss on some needing more refills
Sniper rn is not that good
it needs at minimum 4 pre refill all the time
3-4 is just bad
imo choke is fine
last gust
sniper is niche, and I agree that the refill should just be a clean 4
prisma zodiac
Clean 4 would be lower end fine
I think 4-5 would be pretty good (but not upping the max ammo)
last gust
but I think sniper is made to look bad by 10cc just making the enemy pools in every r7 level just everything soup
make your levels about a particular thing, let people lean into strengths of guns
...except e1, that should've had waveclear so you couldn't just run quad choke
prisma zodiac
sniper is efficient and quick vs hybrids/big shooters and franks
Also good vs pmom. And decent vs tank/mom
i feel like it should be a lot better vs tank
last gust
the issue with buffing sniper is that on a per-clip basis it outperforms choke unless you're only facing smalls, so you need to make it wasteful to hit smalls with it
prisma zodiac
ye
6 out of 18 was just too much for r6
Then again r6 had abundant ammo and a pretty small amount of giants
so you had to shoot smalls
last gust
I'd say r7 has fewer giants than r6
prisma zodiac
disagree actually
most early levels have more
C2, D1 and E1 are the only level with few giants
prisma zodiac
r6 had few in D2, DX and CX
last gust
it has one blood door in overload, but never a large biomass wave
prisma zodiac
c3 has a lot tho most are before ammo
Afterwards its a few only. But that level is unique so i didnt count it
last gust
like, I could still see it being correct to bring r7 sniper to r6c3pe, even for duos
prisma zodiac
I mean the large biomass waves spawned 3-6 giants
last gust
6+
prisma zodiac
c3 has 1-2 per wave at a certain point and shadow giants
1st spawned 3
later on 6
End ones (hybrids) 3-6
i think 1 had 9?
last gust
do they mark the first 3 giants as large biomass?
prisma zodiac
Yep
I mean i brought sniper for c3 solos
then again r6 sniper was busted
but yeah
R7 at worst has as many giants
D2 alone is just giant ception
But sentries lol
feel like sniper being bad rly got shuffled away by buffed sniper sentry + choke + a lot of everything waves
last gust
d2 makes sniper look terrible with shadows/chargers though
and yeah sniper sentry
just too much everything soup
prisma zodiac
Well true
Its why i think we would have needed a third double path with a normal key card
Choosing between franks and hybrids or smth
like what guns need a buff rn to be actually middle of the pack-ish?
Bullpup
sniper
high cal even after nerfs is still „ok“
tho obbiously the nerf was a moment
last gust
lol I've said my piece on high cal
silent kettle
but its buffed
last gust
it's overshadowed by the pack of waveclear specials that the change attempts to push it into
and no longer interesting/useful to me
so whatever
prisma zodiac
lol I've said my piece on high cal
i know. Read it all
last gust
they can do whatever they want with it
prisma zodiac
but its buffed
what
silent kettle
gun is liberated now
no need to wait for the range
simply shoot from as far as u want and shoot 1 hel revolver if its a charger
last gust
wdym
silent kettle
or have a buddy shoot hel revolver while u shoot high cal
rest is the same
and then u get bonus ammo
last gust
having to chip out a charger that happened to be out-of-range occasionally was fine
prisma zodiac
rest is the same
shooters, hybrids, big shooters, franks, bbcs are all worse to kill
last gust
having to do it all the time with a gun that has the uptime of the high cal is not good
prisma zodiac
gun legit just got nerfed
The push to wave clear for smalls with some big impact just wasnt big enough
prisma zodiac
push it down to like 20 dmg
Increase range to 10m or smth
Give it more bullets per refill
the gun is legit worse vs everything but strikers and flyers (and babies if you care lol)
silent kettle
choke mod cant shoot a tank small tumor
last gust
lol, it is actually about as efficient as sniper v tanks
but that hasn't changed much, because 1.7 extra rounds per refill is nearly nothing
silent kettle
note tank only has 2 big tumors
last gust
in practice, choke shotty is the efficiency king against tanks, and it isn't even close
14 shots is actually typical
prisma zodiac
in practice, choke shotty is the efficiency king against tanks, and it isn't eve...
in theory*
Practice usually has sniper pull ahead due to ease
prisma zodiac
yeah. You have done weeks of training. As a high skill player
last gust
lol I'm not that good
prisma zodiac
:^ )
last gust
i see ahto using 80% choke mod and tank still not dead
ahto got a tank kill with 12 shots
prisma zodiac
anyway
High cal got nerfed for its role before
And in its new role it is heavily outclassed
went from slightly worse choke mod to ???
last gust
I imagine if you saw him use 20 shots and not get the kill, it was a fight that he took badly, because that happens
but that happens with any gun
prisma zodiac
its still fineish
silent kettle
I imagine if you saw him use 20 shots and not get the kill, it was a fight that ...
he try to hit top tumor
and half the hits are white
because haha choke mod
last gust
like you haven't been around for ahto's sniper misses 😭
prisma zodiac
but that happens with any gun
nah ive never needed 5 sniper hits for a giant :< dont call me out like that
last gust
no, half the hits are white because tank has jank hitbox properties
I've had so many white hits with high cal
obtuse cedar
imagine thinking old high cal was a worse choke mod
prisma zodiac
imagine thinking old high cal was a worse choke mod
tell me the high cals advantages and compare them to choke
Vs all enemys, in multiple situations
obtuse cedar
tell me the high cals advantages and compare them to choke
Vs all enemys, in mu...
old high cal performed better in every situation compare to choke except boss dmg per shot...
but overall it was the same on bosses too
prisma zodiac
it was worse vs hybrids/giant strikers/big shooters/chargers/big chargers
it was worse vs mom
it was worse vs tank
it was legit worse vs shooters
better vs flyers and strikers damn
silent kettle
LOL
obtuse cedar
how is it worse on giants when you can kill a giant fully from the front and still have bullets in the clip.
prisma zodiac
cuz fire rate is a thing
silent kettle
a shotgun with spread vs singular bullet on a shooter
prisma zodiac
choke can kill 1, 2 and 3 giants quicker
last gust
that doesnt happen
I don't know what to tell you. You're trying to tell people who actually played these scenarios out, while you merely watched, that the gun they found to be superior in tank fights and that they found to perform roughly the same in practice as it does on paper, that they didn't experience what they experienced. We are at an impasse.
silent kettle
I don't know what to tell you. You're trying to tell people who actually played ...
i also played that scenario
4 months ago
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXD
obtuse cedar
ok but you can juggle all 3 giants at once and reload once and kill all of them. takes 2 reloads with your choke mod no matter what
prisma zodiac
yeah. But high cal takes 0.6 seconds shot delay per shot
2 choke mod reloads are legit quicker than 1 high cal reload and 10 shot delays (6 seconds)
last gust
how is it worse on giants when you can kill a giant fully from the front and sti...
choke takes the fight from the actual full effective range of giants/hybrids
high cal was a compromise gun that could do it, but often with falloff
obtuse cedar
theory stats vs pratical situation are 2 different things
prisma zodiac
we did both SGX…
last gust
it was the gun you brought when you felt that you really couldn't go down to a 4 round mag, but wanted some ranged damage capability
prisma zodiac
you legit werent there
fn and me had multiple over an hour long discussions
Tests, try outs and comparisions
you think up a scenario to then say „ah no anyway“
silent kettle
i like when hybrid starts shooting at me and i aim for head with chokemod
only to see half the pellets fly around it
prisma zodiac
i like when hybrid starts shooting at me and i aim for head with chokemod
if you cant hit that then idk what to tell ya
prisma zodiac
especialy since you can miss around 33% of your bullet and still do more than high cal
and thats not even thinking about aiming slightly lower for head + body
obtuse cedar
i love how chokemod can fail at one shoting a sleeper while still hitting it
prisma zodiac
Obviously it wasnt choke >>>>>>> high cal
But choke >= high cal
last gust
they had different comparative advantages, I wouldn't say one was better than the other
prisma zodiac
i love how high cal failed at one shotting a shooter/charger while still hitting it due to god awful range
prisma zodiac
they had different comparative advantages, I wouldn't say one was better than th...
well yeah. Tho choke had slightly more. Its why i usually just simplified as „slightly better/worse“
Especially since choke is/was way better in a true 4 man
since you dont need versatility that much there
last gust
if you had enough waveclear on the team you easily took choke to get proper ranged damage on bigs, great boss damage, 2tapping charger scouts from the front, etc, just generally a more focused special
silent kettle
4 man u can bring anything so thats baseless
last gust
if you were doing low-man stuff or felt you'd be doing a bit of everything and carrying a weaker team then high cal was a great compromise
prisma zodiac
4 man u can bring anything so thats baseless
theres still differences, efficiency yadda yadda
last gust
now choke is king of its own island, and veruta >>>> high cal
prisma zodiac
if 4 man could yolo anything people wouldnt be stuck on levels
silent kettle
ye they are noobs
obtuse cedar
if 4 man could yolo anything people wouldnt be stuck on levels
people complained there isn't checkpoints on r1.
but sure they aren't noobs
prisma zodiac
so are 99,9% of all league players
Heck even league pros fuck up item builds
if you are interested in stats and theory for practical strengths then the stuff we talk about matters
If you want to just play what you want thats totally fine lol
prisma zodiac
people complained there isn't checkpoints on r1.
i know 
people actually saying r1c1 needs a checkpoint before reactor
like
silent kettle
so why can high cal solo hold wave 4 but not choke mod
no one answered my practical question
:(
prisma zodiac
dude that takes 3 mins at most
prisma zodiac
no one answered my practical question
i mean choke mod also can
just gotta solve skill issue
silent kettle
no cannot
last gust
4 man u can bring anything so thats baseless
I don't know that I'd be okay with 10cc balancing solely for duos or whatever, even though that's what I mostly play
silent kettle
cause stuck reloading so you cant do shit with main weapon
last gust
ideally they should balance primarily for 4man, and make the e1's of the world actually challenging for a solid 4man team
silent kettle
that is what they attempt to
obtuse cedar
ideally they should balance primarily for 4man, and make the e1's of the world a...
then why can you take whatever gun and it pretty much doesn't matter?
silent kettle
but 1.0 gameplay is too easy now
prisma zodiac
@silent kettle
The effective dmg/sec of both guns is legit in choke mod favour if you can pull the aim off well enough
last gust
then why can you take whatever gun and it pretty much doesn't matter?
I said ideally
r7 is a duos rundown for sure
silent kettle
every rundown is a duos rundown
silent kettle
why not r5
obtuse cedar
every rundown is a duo rundown at a certain point.. and you take the guns that works. not the one that doesn't. you can see which guns perform the best
prisma zodiac
man imagine if the souls community was this salty about the gaming becoming easy when you get experienced…
like duh
you get better, game made to be challenging becomes easier
silent kettle
ppl hated ds3
prisma zodiac
now they love it (well theres always haters)
last gust
why not r5
because r5 actually hard?
prisma zodiac
Unironically ds3 is harder than ds1 and 2
silent kettle
no its not
obtuse cedar
because r5 actually hard?
no it isn'T
it's just more punishing if you make mistake
it's not harder by default
last gust
lol, this is a take for sure
obtuse cedar
it's like saying r5D1 extreme was hard when it wasn't. what made it hard was that people were making too much mistakes
silent kettle
guys i cant see shadows its so hard
last gust
to confirm, you guys have duo'd r5, I'm gathering?
silent kettle
yes
prisma zodiac
nothing is ever hard if you dont make mistakes
its either easy or impossible
What a shit take
obtuse cedar
you have been dealing with every enemies in previous levels and have seen worse situations. but suddently it's more punishing if you fuck up. that's it
prisma zodiac
to confirm, you guys have duo'd r5, I'm gathering?
to be fair. R5 duos are pretty neat
last gust
lol I've dabbled
prisma zodiac
ive not tried e1 duo
but b1, b2, b3, c1(boring as shit imo), c3 were kinda fun
Ah yes legacy with even more broken guns
i remember people telling me that a normal rundown should be like that
a tiers would be a joke
silent kettle
shouldnt be
but its way more fun to have op guns and hard maps than easy maps with shit guns
obtuse cedar
guns can be broken if you amplified the difficulty. and give just enough resources.
prisma zodiac
Since either they have too many enemys for new people even with broken guns and game dies
Or they have moderate enemys but guns are god tier for them
prisma zodiac
guns can be broken if you amplified the difficulty. and give just enough resourc...
POWER CREEP
YAY
obtuse cedar
if everything is broken. nothing is powercrept
prisma zodiac
power creep happens with balanced stuff aswell
last gust
lol, now I'm struggling to reconcile "I think 1.7 more rounds per refill is great compensation for needing to chip out every charger with main, uptime be damned" with "I've duo'd r5 vanilla"
last gust
so you want your teammate (in a duo, say) to throw some of their uptime your way to make up for your gun's shortcomings?
silent kettle
simply switch or have a friend shoot 1 hel revolver :)
?
everyones gonna be shooting during alarms
prisma zodiac
having to switch also lowers your clear speed heavily for marginally more efficiency here
last gust
to me this is starting to look like "discord shitposter claims to have solo'd e1 knife only"
silent kettle
not rlly
4 choke mod to shoot 4 chargers before reload vs staggering 6 of them with 5hp and just shooting hel revolver
last gust
great, so you're throwing away the uptime of your main as well
to compensate for the bad uptime of your special
prisma zodiac
4 choke mod to shoot 4 chargers before reload vs staggering 6 of them with 5hp a...
4 seconds vs 8.5 seconds
4 vs 6 kills
oh now you just reload there?
silent kettle
choke mod u just get overwhelmed
prisma zodiac
choke mod with 2 reloads litteraly outpaces your high cal + main shooting and reloading
prisma zodiac
anyway
I gotta sleep if we just repeated the „i dont understand the math here“ cycle
prisma zodiac
20 chargers running at u
high cal dies there aswell lol
silent kettle
no
obtuse cedar
the real question is : when hybrid surge alarm
prisma zodiac
yes
You cant even kill 12 before 8 seconds are over
silent kettle
yes u can
because ur teammate can shoot hel revo and u can shoot high cal
:)
it works perfectly
last gust
this whole "I can take a high cal uptime nerf in my stride, uptime isn't a thing anyway" doesn't square well with "choke shotty bad because its uptime sucks"
prisma zodiac
nope
cuz high cal still needs 3 seconds reload + 6 seconds for shooting 12 times
OHH sry you didnt get that math?
silent kettle
u switch to hel rvovler
he switches to high cal
wave dead
but not with choke mod
is that really so difficult to understand
silent kettle
?
last gust
you know hel revo could be killing several other chargers with the rounds that you need to seal the deal on the wounded ones, right?
obtuse cedar
even with hel rev in the mix on chokemod side. it doesn't help
prisma zodiac
Man i realize math isnt your strong suit but rly?
silent kettle
choke doesnt pair well with anything
obtuse cedar
it seems you guys don't understand the synergy aspect of having 2 guns... choke mod is an extreme that doesn't pair well with the other guns. this becomes a flaw in itself
last gust
I feel like these kinds of mentalities are why carbine is in the state it is
silent kettle
i think ur just pub
obtuse cedar
this is so sad. can we buff carbine again please?
last gust
it seems you guys don't understand the synergy aspect of having 2 guns... choke ...
next thing you're going to tell me that veruta isn't overtuned because theres no synergy, only brrrr
last gust
i think ur just pub
fwiw, you've seen me and ahto actually streaming, you know roughly what we're capable of
which isn't to say we're gods at the game or anything
silent kettle
yes
last gust
but calling us random pubs or whatever is a little much
silent kettle
i think u wouldve won sooner with high cals
last gust
lol, I was on high cal because it was familiar to me, basically my favourite special in r7
but choke shotty was a strictly superior choice for e1
e1 has no waveclear
at all
better to lean into the gun that can 2tap charger scouts from the front and gets unrivaled economy into tanks
silent kettle
why do u need to shoot charger scouts
prisma zodiac
why would you not take extra situational power???
silent kettle
hammer safer
silent kettle
yes hammer with partner???
last gust
one person's soloing a tank while this is going on
prisma zodiac
hammer safer
hammer „cheaper“
last gust
code 3, code 4 depending on when tank shows up
silent kettle
code 4 u go together
last gust
e1 enemies get caught at spawn all the time
silent kettle
simply wait
last gust
but if you're getting clean e1 runs where everything goes to plan, and you're always able to get duo hammer kills on charger scouts with babies scattered around or whatever, then you're probably a better player than me
obtuse cedar
you do realise that scouts move right. you can just avoid it or shoot its back by just running behind him. for code 4 you have plenty of time to both go together then clear charger zone and then input code... even if you are being chased by immortal
obtuse cedar
hammer on Cscout is legit. host hit 2nd always
prisma zodiac
duh yes
tell me, have you never shot a scout in your life?
if you have then your point is instantly done
if you havent then bravo
prisma zodiac
the possibility for timesafe and comfort due to ease is there
obtuse cedar
you can move around a scout quickly though even if you trigger other things to begin with.. and if you are gonna shoot anyway.. everything will wake up.
the logic here is just stupid
silent kettle
code 3 charger scout simply stealth
code 4 simply go with partner
and stealth after 1/2 zones
last gust
anyway, I don't know what to say, it sounds like you're just speed-duoing mommy zone for code and getting back to the reactor in sub-3mins
which is beyond me and ahto at this point
if you're good enough to do that, kudos to you
silent kettle
i just think shooting charger scout is not a great benefit for choke mod
since u never need to
silent kettle
better to lean into the gun that can 2tap charger scouts from the front and gets...
.
last gust
I think it's relevant, and that high cal offers no real advantages over choke now in e1
I don't even think it was really the correct choice when I was using it
just that it was what I was familiar with
in other levels I think it was the better duos pick, for sure
but not in e1
obtuse cedar
I think it's relevant, and that high cal offers no real advantages over choke no...
no it still does.. because burst sentry exist
last gust
...you're going to explain to me that burst sentry is the correct sentry for e1?
obtuse cedar
so even wave 4 can be solo hold with a burst sentry
i think people underestimate how burst sentry is
last gust
I don't think burst sentry is bad at all
obtuse cedar
one burst and one shot of your gun. enemy dead.
last gust
I just think it tickles chargers, and that sniper sentry is better in e1 for that reason alone
obtuse cedar
not if you have the current high cal
last gust
so I should bring a burst sentry to make a bad gun good?
prisma zodiac
i mean this is probably the first arguable point
obtuse cedar
range seems to be important for you guys. high cal has more range now 😉
last gust
instead of bringing the independently best sentry for the level, and the independently best special for the level?
prisma zodiac
where you could say burst gets complimented very well by high cal
last gust
the synergy is just propping up a bad choice to a situationally acceptable choice
prisma zodiac
at least vs chargers
last gust
range seems to be important for you guys. high cal has more range now 😉
it has higher max range (65m, was 55m), the range at which dropoff starts is still 8m
prisma zodiac
in a only charger level it would actually make both (that are kinda yikes vs chargers) rly good
Sadly e1 isnt only chargers
last gust
effective damage nerf up to 33m
the range increase line in the patch notes was facetious
silent kettle
e1 is like 60% chargers
obtuse cedar
the synergy is just propping up a bad choice to a situationally acceptable choic...
seems like you neglect synergy a lot. 1 miss of your choke and you just lost 25% already of your clip. it becomes more punishing for every little mistake you make which result in a harder time overall
prisma zodiac
i thought mistakes are for bad players and thus dont matter?
since e1 is easy if you dont make mistakes
and in that case you dont miss with choke
last gust
seems like you neglect synergy a lot. 1 miss of your choke and you just lost 25%...
you're claiming that burst sentry neatly chips out every charger that you hit in perfect synergy, while also claiming that mistakes with choke are damning
obtuse cedar
why do you think i said r5d1 extreme isn't that hard to begin with. it's just more punishing. cause a harsh punishment will make you have a very bad time then if the level was harder to begin with
prisma zodiac
i actually agree that burst + high cal have a good af synergy vs chargers tho
prisma zodiac
havent had thought of that since nerf
last gust
I think burst sentry multi-bursts a charger that you're not focusing on and the theory synergy here falls apart
prisma zodiac
hel revo doesnt compete vs a hel revo that 1 shots other wise
obtuse cedar
burst sentry complements hel rev for commons and high cal for chargers... and the 2 guns complements each others in a lot of situation. it's not as strong as the old high cal hel rev synergy but it's still there and damn strong
prisma zodiac
oh you meant that way?
last gust
I also think that sentries provide fire support, and that focusing on shooting the thing that the sentry is shooting means you're across fewer enemies at once
prisma zodiac
yeah obviously
obtuse cedar
sniper sentry thin out wave no matter what so it also does have synergy no matter what.... but there are some situation where burst's synergy outshine sniper sentry
last gust
for strikers there is the synergy between burst and hel revo
but also burst is independently strong against striker waves
so getting chip-outs with main is gravy
obtuse cedar
it's giving the gun a lot more kills per clip since you don't have to waste a shot to kill
imagine making it 10-12 kill gun in one clip
last gust
well, burst is removing heads, so it's getting the lion's share of the work done
obtuse cedar
same with dmr
obtuse cedar
well, burst is removing heads, so it's getting the lion's share of the work done
depends on how you setup
if you point the sentry facing you.. you will get the head shot first
last gust
there's a huge difference between "I can oneshot a headless striker with main" and "I can oneshot a wounded charger with high cal"
and the latter is down from "I can oneshot a healthy charger with high cal", and you got 1.7 rounds per refill in exchange for that
silent kettle
shoulda tried high cal e1 duo tbh
twin dirge
honestly you should've bought 6 high cal pistols
past bough
akimbo high cals when
candid dragon
Hical sentry when
kind swan
c foam bugged?
tough totem
maybe :)
tough totem
meow
burnt goblet
c foam bugged?
Kiryu-channnnnnnnnnn
hard cape
i have a problem. Everytime we beat C3 PE we use the checkpoint. We go straight to terminals and memorize every resource point on our way. But I haven't beat C3 PE without using the checkpoint. Our ammo quickly drains out and it's hard to find supply. How do experienced gamers manage this?
atomic escarp
Efficiency and speed
wary olive
Which part do you normally run out of resources on
real moss
i have a problem. Everytime we beat C3 PE we use the checkpoint. We go straight ...
Terminal pinging. Do it fast, be efficient, communicate
tough badger
Noting which terminals are in each uplink zone ahead of time can save a small amount of time.
What's the tool setup?
obtuse surge
i have a problem. Everytime we beat C3 PE we use the checkpoint. We go straight ...
experienced people start to know where containers spawn so it's faster to check a room
but you should have enough time for terminal anyway
just ping the important stuff
last gust
yeah just use terminal
we often have enough time in sections to ping during duos
with more players you can probably send someone to terminal more often
azure reef
If you wanted to add more safety at the cost of time... with a map (so you know sector numbers) you could list out and query reso beforehand(in the quiet bit at the start), so you know what to expect and where to focus.
Could even record the resource numbers and terminal locations, so you know where to go and what to ping for when you hit particular areas.
half hornet
I know right. Cursed.
last gust
I don't think the osips tend to be all that bad
tough badger
it's very easy. just don't mess up. free tbh.
kind swan
Secondary is a joke as well unless you get the bug where you have ground and flying enemies
My first completion had this bug and I thought that was normal til other people told me it was supposed to be flyers only
prisma zodiac
its not rly a bug. moreso a sequence break
barren breach
obtuse surge
actually it's connection and not sequence 🙂
tribal loom
Overload for R7C2 is a joke unless you do it during Error
Got game week ago and first attempt 😭
real moss
Got game week ago and first attempt 😭
Well a week in and on R7C2 is not bad tbf
tribal loom
This is with the game, once you learn mechanics you good
No grinding for unlocks for OP shit
You get everything at once
Which has merit and some bad
Idk
tough badger
no progression systems suits the game imo. being able to grind past challenges would kinda defeat the purpose of the game, and certain levels being impossible until you grind enough would just feel bad. for specifically gtfo that is. it's just not a "number go up" game.
tribal loom
Yeah no In it’s current state it’s good, just brains hardwired to games needing grinding to progress instead of tactics
But overall it’s a good change
Of style i guess
Where your not grinding items to win
But grinding strategies
tough badger
it do be like that now. so many games competing for your attention b/c the more time you spend on them the more likely you are to spend more $$$
I'd accept a skill tree if they wanted to but if they put a battle pass in gtfo I'd go insane
tribal loom
I'd accept a skill tree if they wanted to but if they put a battle pass in gtfo ...
Yeah a skill tree opens up meta which means people won’t play games with you unless you adhere to X meta
tough badger
i mean there's gonna be a "meta" no matter what
Most Effective Tactics Available are always going to be the most effective. if there are options, you're gonna have a meta.
adding more options usually makes people who are insufferable about it even more so for sure tho
tribal loom
I mean there’s optimal strategy then there meta
Like having 3 sentry on reactor
Optimal
tough badger
that is literally what meta means though
tough badger
i think i get what you mean
meta might be different overall vs individual levels
like how in pvp games "meta" characters can still be countered by "bad" ones
like you mentioned, triple sentry + bio is generally considered meta for reactors
tribal loom
Yeah
tough badger
for all intents and purposes "meta" and "optimal strategy" are the same thing. it just gets used in a million similar contexts lol
tribal loom
Yeah I mean it’s a very fine line
Like so fine
But it dosent make it unfun
Using the sentry on reactors
twin dirge
Which has merit and some bad
OW2 locking entire fucking heros behind a battlepass
tribal loom
OW2 locking entire fucking heros behind a battlepass
League of legends you have to pay for hero’s which I why I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole
restive oak
League of legends you have to pay for hero’s which I why I wouldn’t touch it wit...
But you pay with in-game currency which you grind. You can pay real life money to speed up the process, but why would one do it?
Locking heroes behind a BP is way worse in my opinion than what LoL is doing
Plus in LoL you have the loot chests (which you get from playing) system where you can get goodies, including champions (they cost less to open than the shop)
hidden crater
Owners of ow1 don't need it no
restive oak
Owners of ow1 don't need it no
Did you need to transfer your account or something? Cause I had OW1 but did jack shit, didn't touch it in years
hidden crater
They also removed their lootbox system and made it worse
prisma zodiac
all chars free
random free skins and currency for skins
hidden crater
Did you need to transfer your account or something? Cause I had OW1 but did jack...
Automatic, didn't do fuckshit
Just happened
restive oak
i mean i unironically think ow1 had a way better system than either league or ow...
Agree, a much better approach - however OW1 was a bought game
restive oak
Automatic, didn't do fuckshit
Hmm nice, I should test it out myself
hidden crater
Ow2 in gameplay is a better ow1, not sequel better but better
prisma zodiac
ye
prisma zodiac
also league champ grind is SHIT
hidden crater
But including everything, not just gameplay, ow1 was better
prisma zodiac
Its worse after they changed to blue essence
restive oak
also league champ grind is SHIT
I agree
hidden crater
God ow2 is insufferable
half hornet
The porn though
plush basin
It realy surprised me some people had I spoke to had an issue with how OW did its lot boxes
hidden crater
The porn though
I will strangle you
plush basin
they felt entitled to have all the characters skins from the start
restive oak
The porn though
A man of culture
prisma zodiac
nah thats just overwatch in general
plush basin
seeing as they paid money for the game
tribal loom
Locking heroes behind a BP is way worse in my opinion than what LoL is doing
Or play Dota where you get 100+ hero’s free
prisma zodiac
honestly overwatch2 chars are less good looking than ow1 imo
restive oak
Dota2 does not have unlockables via grinding, but the skill ceiling is far beyond my abilities
Don't @ me
atomic escarp
Or play Dota where you get 100+ hero’s free
yeah except its a huge step up
tribal loom
Lol
Don’t use a chat rooms feature
Dota fun
Been playing since 2012
Have 4K ish hours
atomic escarp
only when your team doesnt suck complete dong
prisma zodiac
i dislike how a lot of competetive pvp games nowadays involve huge grind for some things
restive oak
I was able to play 6-7 seasons of LoL because it was easier to learn overall, plus full scaling via items
Dota is completely different
tribal loom
Dota is fun as hell
Although you can tell who’s a lol player in a Dota match
They buy items weird
restive oak
Not saying it isn't, I acknowledge it for being a strong skill based game and I respect that
It's just, not for my casual ass lmao 🤣
tribal loom
TI just happened
restive oak
Plus I hate the eternal CC mechanisms
plush basin
Dota is fun as hell
Switching over to play a bit of Dota 2 after League was really refreshing and fun
restive oak
They buy items weird
LMAO I don't play Dota and this legit is very true
It's being used to scaling skills with items
atomic escarp
id take TI 1 than this any day
plush basin
All of a sudden from league where you could take a summoner spell to teleport like 2 inches every 5 minutes to being able to buy a dagger on any character that teleports you a screen away
restive oak
And dota's items expand gameplay with more mechanics rather than scaling abilities
tribal loom
plush basin
its whack
restive oak
All of a sudden from league where you could take a summoner spell to teleport li...
Ahh good ol' Blink Dagger
prisma zodiac
I mean dota is less balanced than league in a way
plush basin
In Dota 2 everything is OP
tribal loom
I can carry game
plush basin
so it all balances out (maybe)
restive oak
I mean dota is less balanced than league in a way
Dota is balanced around incredibly strong abilities/ items, and since anyone can have them
It's balanced
tribal loom
All hail ice frog
atomic escarp
its all about who's team sucks less
tribal loom
(Dota dev)
atomic escarp
hail the ice frog
plush basin
Kinda any game right?
atomic escarp
dota punishes you hard for it
restive oak
All hail ice frog
The OG Dota1 based on War3
atomic escarp
so 1v9 is impossible
prisma zodiac
Dota is balanced around incredibly strong abilities/ items, and since anyone can...
i mean iirc (that was years back when i checked it out) werent there characters with near 70% winrate?
restive oak
dota punishes you hard for it
Ye that's the thing, easy to pick up and very hard to master
tribal loom
@restive oak yeah I played that
plush basin
Idk I've seen people carry harder in Dota 2 than in League
tribal loom
I actually had Dota 2 beta keys
prisma zodiac
the game is balanced around way more powercreep. Still balanced in a way
atomic escarp
just spam void spirit to 4k then learn the game
plush basin
Me and my friends were pretty new to Dota 2 and we legit got beat like 5v1 by some enemy huskar
atomic escarp
Me and my friends were pretty new to Dota 2 and we legit got beat like 5v1 by so...
classic
atomic escarp
Void spirit bruh
i take it you not good with him
plush basin
Maybe it was you who knows xD
tribal loom
It was turbo
restive oak
I remember popping off in ONE Dota2 game with the lil assassin dude.. the stealth boy
restive oak
Can't remember his name
plush basin
This could have been like 3 or 4 years ago
tribal loom
Was there a cm on your team
atomic escarp
I remember popping off in ONE Dota2 game with the lil assassin dude.. the stealt...
riki
plush basin
whats cm?
tribal loom
Crystal maiden
restive oak
Rikimaru yea, that one
plush basin
I don't know, I certainly wouldn't have been playing cm
tribal loom
Ice lady
plush basin
Its possible one of my friends might have
restive oak
@atomic escarp did you just Bedge me 🤣
plush basin
was it like 4 years ago for you?
atomic escarp
you smurfing or something
atomic escarp
<@456226577798135808> did you just Bedge me 🤣
😏
tribal loom
Did you do a turbo match
plush basin
lol, that would be insane luck if it was actually you
idk what turbo is, probably not
Think it was just a regular match
atomic escarp
faster dota
plush basin
Nah it wasn't turbo
tribal loom
I’ll have to look on my Match history
atomic escarp
also its unbalanced cuz few heroes take over game then its gg
restive oak
@plush basin imagine being on a game's Disc server and finding out the person who might have kicked your ass in Dota 4 years ago
Top kek
tribal loom
And didn’t buy a heavens halberd
plush basin
Yeah I'm gonna have to move games
Its the most humiliated I've ever felt
GTFO discord is no longer a safe space for me
restive oak
So dota2 is plagued by smurfing too
tribal loom
Yeah look
tribal loom
I main meepo…
atomic escarp
smurf detected
tribal loom
plush basin
I played the lost vikings in Heroes of the storm once can I main meepo yet?
restive oak
smurf detected
We already concludes
tribal loom
Meepo is easy just have half your button presses be tab
prisma zodiac
btw guys
idk why i found it so funny. But like 1 1/2 weeks ago we had multiple different people join the speedrunning discord
1st person:
„So whats a rundown exactly“
💀
2nd person:
Is this the speedrun discord?
„Yes“
silence
prisma zodiac
or the person who was malding that people rush the levels in speedruns in the speedrunchannel on this discord
plush basin
People rushing... in the speedrun server...?
prisma zodiac
man i remember a streamer (banned in his stream due to hilarious reasons) that said speedrunner were at fault for stamina
prisma zodiac
People rushing... in the speedrun server...?
rushing ingame
plush basin
Yeah ikr its just crazy right
prisma zodiac
like…you could call it „speedrunning“
but man. That person was so funny
an old proud „veteran“
Said absolute bullshit all the time and had the funniest takes
banned me after i answered smth i thought was a question for major backseatgaming (that snatchers dont take extra dmg to the head)
Then when badger joined and said smth like „rip eva“
He immediatly banned badger aswell because appearantly he was one of my goons i called to hate on him
restive oak
man i remember a streamer (banned in his stream due to hilarious reasons) that s...
KEKW
plush basin
damn, savage
Didn't realise it was a rhetorical question. banned
I can't fathom it tbh xD
If I ever streamed I'd be stoked to have chat talking to me
prisma zodiac
yeah. There was some tension due to prior streams where people of the commuity were trying to discuss things with him
plush basin
banning people that are talking to you in good faith just seems mental
prisma zodiac
they had a major victim compex to be fair and were very stoic
but hey. Im the toxic person when they shit talked the game after 6 hours of 1 r6d2 try
🤡
plush basin
> veteran
> 6 hours on r6d2
tribal loom
Ye
plush basin
I mean, I really don't think I was on turbo so I'm pretty sure it won't be me
tribal loom
plush basin
yeah that aint us
tribal loom
Damn
plush basin
unfortunate
tribal loom
It would’ve been peak comedy
atomic escarp
team comp 💹
restive oak
Ashe in the middle 👀
plush basin
thats not Ashe thats Sylvanas Windrunner
tribal loom
Worst thing in Dota is this
Can’t sell it can’t trade it can’t delete it
Means I’m constantly a target for hackers
Fugg me
atomic escarp
its worth fortune
tribal loom
atomic escarp
maybe not but you know
atomic escarp
my pfp is currently marci
tribal loom
There we go
tribal loom
Lol
half hornet
She feels so out of place
half hornet
All these batshit insane gods, monsters, warriors and Knights...
And then there's just this girl, standing there smiling.
atomic escarp
i remember when arc clone didnt drop divine on death
half hornet
She's so painfully normal, visuals wise.
atomic escarp
man would of had other things to do
atomic escarp
All these batshit insane gods, monsters, warriors and Knights...
And then there'...
bkb first item then you can snowball hard from there
plush basin
My god the warden is in dota??
plush basin
Right but what if they did a crossover
restive oak
the warden in GTFO is his side hustle
he fucks us up then leaves to dota to dominate noobs
half hornet
Dominate uhuh
atomic escarp
imagine my pain trying to pe with bots
tribal loom
@atomic escarp good luck
atomic escarp
thanks
tribal loom
The worst part for me doingmain was finding where to go
Like it’d go 168-169 then 170 back that way through 168
atomic escarp
after armory just head north
any door that goes north thats the one
the layout isnt that bad
tribal loom
Ah yeah see I was confused
I thought I had to go along with them
I mean it was good for look
Loot*
I was spending rounds
You need to go 169 for PE anyway for uhh
Over
To get the bulkhead
Don’t you
atomic escarp
if you starting countdown at the checkpoint door then its easy to get bulk key for ovl then scan
tribal loom
Mmm
atomic escarp
less enemy at start
burnt goblet
Bulkhead key is past the first blood door
tribal loom
Basically by the time I got to that point it was my first time
burnt goblet
In area C or D I believe
tribal loom
Finding the way
atomic escarp
so you should make it to overload in 2-3 mins
burnt goblet
If you beat the overload it actually makes the rest of the main a lot easier
burnt goblet
Changes the normal error waves to chargers
But it gives you like a minute and a half grace period where nothing spawns
burnt goblet
That's enough time to get to 170 before the waves startup again
tribal loom
Not bad
I was taking too long and then snatchers started showing up while I was extracting
burnt goblet
Yeah
tribal loom
atomic escarp
also tank if you not fast enough
tribal loom
Oh god I did see one but I ran
burnt goblet
^ damn you could of let him experience it himself without telling him xD
tribal loom
No thanks
No I did see it
But I just like
Was already in 170 by that point
Just popped some foam and a sentry
And extracted before I got snatched
Like a half second before
burnt goblet
Just keep at it
tribal loom
I know the secondary mission makes it black out
burnt goblet
Oh yeah are you playing by yourself with bots
atomic escarp
you can have the mine player kill snatcher while 3 extract
atomic escarp
Oh yeah are you playing by yourself with bots
im trying for pe
burnt goblet
If you're playing by yourself with bots, overload gets a bit tougher
Since you have to run from terminal to terminal
tribal loom
Mm
atomic escarp
yeah those external uplinks not fun at all
if you get past the ovl blood door your chances of doing it rise significantly
burnt goblet
If you manage to get the first uplink done it gets a lot easier too
Pretty sure the spawn waves slow down a bit
Or that's what it seemed like when I did it
atomic escarp
at that point its fine cuz you got plenty of resources in ovl
tribal loom
burnt goblet
No rewards for doing it
Personal satisfaction and you never have to do it again
atomic escarp
its a badge you wear
atomic escarp
sweet 1,1,1,1
tribal loom
Should get a discord title if you record it with proof
Of like no cheating etc
On da server
burnt goblet
Yeah I have both badges maxed out
atomic escarp
both?
burnt goblet
The regular one and the foil badge
tribal loom
Ah
atomic escarp
ah foil
burnt goblet
It's my favorite lore wise
burnt goblet
As long as the person who stealths doesn't fuck up
tribal loom
With the scouts at start?
burnt goblet
Just in general
There's enough supplies the defenders could survive for like half an hour. It puts all the pressure on the stealth person
tribal loom
Mm
burnt goblet
If the stealth person wakes up a room, triggers a scout, or god forbid triggers a tank/mother, it's pretty much over
Defenders get pincered and ate up
So if you're stealth is good, levels a cakewalk
Once you get to checkpoint its pretty much a guaranteed win
tribal loom
Ye
atomic escarp
If the stealth person wakes up a room, triggers a scout, or god forbid triggers ...
Its not over over depends how you deal with it
burnt goblet
Still at that point it's not even worth it
burnt goblet
I'm not sure if it's a bug or just the game being dumb, but for some reason, at least in my playthroughs, whenever you wake up a single room in the charger zone, it causes the the entire zone to wake up because the chargers that spawn during the error wave spawn there instead
But the shadow zone doesn't do that
atomic escarp
Which expedition?
burnt goblet
D2
real moss
I'm not sure if it's a bug or just the game being dumb, but for some reason, at ...
They spawn there if your team is holding the corridor instead of the resource room
real moss
With team in resource room, I did not get Spawns in charger area
prisma zodiac
the shadows only spawn there if you have no one in the ressource room and are in the 2nd corridor
real moss
But the shadows never did that
Sneaking player is blocking Spawns in shadow area
burnt goblet
Understandable
mortal granite
here's a 200 IQ question for Dj
mortal granite
Sneaking player is blocking Spawns in shadow area
then why didn't it block on charger area when there is a sneaking player in those area
real moss
here's a 200 IQ question for Dj
I only have 2 . plz no
mortal granite
burnt goblet
I only have 2 . plz no
You still have a brain after playing gtfo? Lucky
real moss
then why didn't it block on charger area when there is a sneaking player in thos...
cause when you enter charger area. it has two MORE rooms. The one left and the ones past that. where they can spawn
shadows doesn't as far as I know. It's just first room and two immediatly adjacent . thus blocking
Or I forget one
burnt goblet
Pretty sure it's 3
prisma zodiac
its still a unique case tho because shadows dont rly spawn from inside shadow zone even when you are outside of it
its middle, 1 left, 1 right
so yes djdna is right
prisma zodiac
chargers has always at least 1 room that is 2 rooms away from the one sneaking
mortal granite
if you go left, you have 2 more room for them to spawn
real moss
if you go left, you have 2 more room for them to spawn
That's the charger zone
mortal granite
while shadow only have 3 area
mortal granite
real moss
exactly, so they can spawn in the two most lower rooms
real moss
Yeah m8 did you even play R7
prisma zodiac
I dont think ive been in that small room more than once
mortal granite
160 clears and never seen that room
prisma zodiac
Legit forgor
real moss
I dont think ive been in that small room more than once
Cause terminal never there
prisma zodiac
ye
burnt goblet
Yeah m8 did you even play R7
Can't get past A1 first room :(( too hard for mee
real moss
i have 700 EVAL attempts tho
Still stuck on EVAL
real moss
😭
burnt goblet
We are gonna have high expectations for R8 and then they bring us 4 A levels, 2 B levels, 1 C level and 1 D level
strange junco
r8 but 10 tier E
mortal granite
We are gonna have high expectations for R8 and then they bring us 4 A levels, 2 ...
never put high expectation for any game these day
real moss
r8 but 10 tier E
R8 will not have an E tier. mark my words
prisma zodiac
what was the last game i actually had high expectations for?
Subnautica below zero?
burnt goblet
Pretty sure the community will riot if R8 doesn't have an e tier
real moss
Cause the ending has to be accessible to everyone 😭🤮 (without effort)
burnt goblet
They should of stayed in early access 
Ever since they went out of early access and the influx of new players swept in, disappointment insures
real moss
Ever since they went out of early access and the influx of new players swept in,...
I would not call every new player a disappointment ....
kinda harsh
burnt goblet
Lmfao I wasn't referring to the players themselves as disappointments
Except @atomic escarp
atomic escarp
i started in r6 and im not a disappointment
burnt goblet
I mean what
atomic escarp
real moss
Lmfao I wasn't referring to the players themselves as disappointments
Gotcha tho 😂
burnt goblet
real moss
i started in r6 and im not a disappointment
uh ...... are bots worth it?
atomic escarp
my closest friends yes
real moss
my closest friends yes
He still hasn't learned 😔
mortal granite
honestly
real moss
No R2B4 tonite then !
mortal granite
this is my first game that come out of early access
atomic escarp
😭
burnt goblet
There's still a few games I'm waiting for 😂
mortal granite
most of the game i played that's in early access, stayed in early access for years now
real moss
this is my first game that come out of early access
I got this one and Ark that came out of EA
burnt goblet
most of the game i played that's in early access, stayed in early access for yea...
7 Days to Die moment
atomic escarp
no fifa?
mortal granite
phasmo will never leave EA
atomic escarp
why not
real moss
Dat shit ain't gud bruv
mortal granite
paying a game that tell you to pay more money to get what you want
burnt goblet
What would microtransactions in gtfo even be
mortal granite
it's like overwatch 1 but if you want to have more character, you'll have to gamble
real moss
Fifa has to be put on the gambling risks list
burnt goblet
Boosters?
real moss
What would microtransactions in gtfo even be
Probably continues or free clears 😂
mortal granite
weapon would be more benefit
burnt goblet
Free E1 clears, 10 bucks
burnt goblet
weapon would be more benefit
HEL machinegun, 20 bucks
burnt goblet
Go the overwatch route and have us pay 50 bucks for a new apparel
That's a reskin on one we already have
Halloween event moment
real moss
rip
real moss
Plz no
mortal granite
real moss
greed is good tho
I have no issue playing for good meaningful content
Expansions 4 example
mortal granite
"pay me 10$ to walk 5 steps" - EA
real moss
But cosmetics????
burnt goblet
I don't get why people pay for cosmetics in a first person game 😂
mortal granite
But cosmetics????
DRG do that
mortal granite
there is a dude that review Ubisoft