round 6 we ran out of sentry ammo by the start so it wiped the whole team, everyone at 100% and lots of ammo
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
scenic lion
gloomy flame
speaking of sentry ammo, for the first 3 waves, only use one sentry
scenic lion
I believe I got like 3 hybrids and a couple of franks at round 6, but since they all came at the same time it was too much
scenic lion
speaking of sentry ammo, for the first 3 waves, only use one sentry
yeah thats a good idea
gloomy flame
I used a sniper to take out all the hybrids, but a sniper sentry could also work just as well, maybe two
scenic lion
we can take care of the incoming waves with just weapons and a burst probably
scenic lion
I used a sniper to take out all the hybrids, but a sniper sentry could also work...
the issue is that lots of times the sniper sentry uses most of the ammo on small guys
and when the big ones come it either is already focusing on the small ones or it is out of ammo completely
I'll try to do the 1 sentry strategy you mentioned
gloomy flame
bio tracker synergy should help the sniper sentry
but bring a normal sniper instead as a special weapon would fix that
scenic lion
I was using dmr and og machine gun
gloomy flame
I used DMR and Sniper, shot all the shooters, hybrids, big strikers, and some small strikers with the DMR when the team needed help
but as long as you can efficiently take out the hybrids, you should be fine
those are the enemies that take the longest to kill if you aren't ready for them
strange junco
move up to the bridge if you're talking about r1c1
it should be almost half way to the extraction
2 sniper 1 burst / 1 sniper 2 burst works either way
hard cape
How do we bring back the old combat music? I kinda missed R6 music
strange junco
the bridge should have some sort of vehicle on the middle
once you start the wave, rush up there, have all 4 on the defending spot
when the input phase comes, one run back to type command, wait until theres like 5-10 second left incase you and your team want to scavenge
scrape all the supplies near start point first, save the one near reactor for later waves
runic mauve
i don't really understand how you're supposed to do that when you only have like 30 second between the earlier waves
strange junco
wdym
strange junco
30s of warmup phase + time it takes until they arrive the defending point
dreamy bramble
strange junco
^
tough badger
can confirm even if one person is back towards spawn the enemies will spawn that far back
so whoever's that far up is gonna need to sprint but they can do it
strange junco
delaying input time + warmup phase + time until they arrive is more than plenty lol
it would make you wish they'd arrive sooner to get it over with
runic mauve
ig
still just feels backwards to use the less time phases to run further
tough badger
just be ready for potentially stacked waves
strange junco
i mean you only need to run that far if you decided to use all the supplies near reactor
thats why i said scrape all supplies at the beginning part
tough badger
you're definitely intended to grab resources from farther back in later waves, you just don't have to
so long as you have a good hold position and can keep everyone fed, how you specifically do it doesn't matter
honestly if you just grab the fattest packs from the first resource zone before starting you can make it really far before you have to care again
errant saffron
does anyone know the timeline for the next rundowns?
errant vigil
No, but if the rest are similar to how they made ALT: R1 it should be quick
tough badger
Might be quick, might be Soon™️
The rest should at least take longer than r1 did tho, since they're literally just bigger
But r1 did release around 8 days sooner than the reveal post stated it would so copium is somewhat warranted
errant vigil
I don't really want them to be like ALT R1
I actually want some new stuff with them
We get all the buffed guns/tools but none of the cool enemies or objectives/optionals
tough badger
we'll get that with r8, if they change too much gameplay-wise it feels like it kinda defeats the purpose of them bringing back the older rundowns instead of just making new ones
azure reef
Exactly, theyve already done the hard work of making the rundowns. The target audience for the ALT rundowns is new players, not vets, and the new players have never seen them, so it is brand new content for them.
glacial crescent
Rundown 2 is going to interesting
Especially R2D2 and R2E1 since both have sections that have a lot of running involved
tough badger
Exactly, theyve already done the hard work of making the rundowns. The target au...
not quite, they're definitely targeting loreheads too lmao
azure reef
not quite, they're definitely targeting loreheads too lmao
Very true. But thats easier to do. Logs and even audiologs are "simpler" to make than adding new enemies, new objectives/mechanics and having to balance and playtest levels. Spending too much time adding stuff like that just doesnt make financial sense.
tough badger
yeah. though i think they were referring less to actually new mechanics and more just mechanics that weren't originally in the levels (like hybrids in r1c1 alt)
hearty escarp
How big is the sniper sentry nerf? Like, is sniper sentry + pinged enemy + nerf still better than sniper sentry + non-pinged enemy + before nerf?
tough badger
not sure, but unpinged you definitely feel it
hearty escarp
rip
glacial crescent
Refresher for people who forgot R2E1, you had the Surge Alarm right off the bat with 2 rooms (side room able to spawn with scout and fog is infectious). Next zone after surge contains 3 branches, you have to find the fog turbine and cell within 1 of the 2 zones to proceed down into the fog section. Both doors are blood doors with sleeping shadow giants and resources depend. Door to the North contains more ammo but less tools, door to the south has less ammo but more tools. Getting past the surge alarm after getting the cell is a fog dive section with 2 scouts patrolling the room and multiple sleepers alongside 3 doors. 2 require cells while 1 requires a key. picking the warden door leads to the main objective and an extra cell while the other door has a blood door you need to overcome, massive resources, lots of sleeping shadow giants, and a cell which is required to progress assuming you spent your cell on this door. In the Warden Door section, you have to do a 3 part scan while running around in the fog before being able to retrieve the neonate. The section after is 3 zones with massive running involved, 2 surge alarms and 1 normal scan before reaching the extraction zone.
Im curious how they'll generate Alt R2E1 considering how Alt R1C1 is twice the size of the original from Reactor to Extract
tough badger
i liked core tiles being the same but everything being a mix of similar to completely different in r1 alt
r1d1's drop zone having the same tiles oriented wrong really threw us for a loop lol
not that i played r1
I just liked hearing my team yell about everything that was or wasn't different
glacial crescent
XD
Some of the changes for R1 do make me feel like it could've done better
but the similarities are there
tough badger
i think it was very hard to make returning to a rundown where two pairs of levels are the same objective, out of only 6 total, terribly interesting
especially with the limited tilesets
might as well throw in some newer rooms with good memories, like the r5b3ex room
or that one might've originally been there i can't remember what my group said
anyway i think the alts where levels had more to differentiate themselves to begin with might feel a little better
glacial crescent
Ehhh
R1A1 and R1B2 sharing the same objective isn't bad
Originally by design
R1A1 was essentially the perfect tutorial
tough badger
yeah it's not bad. except r1a1 was a little needlessly huge imo
glacial crescent
Original R1A1 was smaller
tough badger
that'd do it then lol
glacial crescent
1 big room and 4 small rooms in the 1st zone (where you came in at)
with 4 doors you can open and close from the big room
jolly perch
I think r1b2 and r1a1 being the same is ok because r1b2 has a completely different gimmick
jolly perch
R1A1 was essentially the perfect tutorial
I fully believe that r1a1 is the best a1 expedition because it's the best tutorial
glacial crescent
going North was the alarm door. Past that was a stair with 2 connections to tthe left and right
Left was a dead end with a potential key spawn (albeit extremely rare)
obtuse cedar
How big is the sniper sentry nerf? Like, is sniper sentry + pinged enemy + nerf ...
it's not a nerf. it's a buff. it becomes the perfect sentry that doesn't consume too much tool, thin out waves to a point where you can easily kill anything left that pass when unpinged. when ping it kill more stuff leaving almost no big treat alive... and you will still have some tool after tthe alarms helping you balance tool and ammo which is always a good thing
glacial crescent
and right door lead to 2 smaller rooms into 2 medium size rooms with potential scout spawns
tough badger
I fully believe that r1a1 is the best a1 expedition because it's the best tutori...
r6a1 is a strong contender as well, but I really appreciate r1a1's simplicity
glacial crescent
and down the stairs had 2 big rooms with the most likely chance of there being a scout with a terminal
tough badger
TRUE
glacial crescent
alongside a connecting zone that was a 1 scan no alarm
free resources
alongside a 100% spawnrate 2 use C-Foam Grenade in the back of the zone if you looked for it
tough badger
man i forgot cfoam grenades could spawn in stacks lmao
glacial crescent
It was good
Problem was that there was an exploit
that let you get up to 12 c-foam grenades in a stack
tough badger
cfoam was also way buggier back then right?
glacial crescent
not really no
tough badger
i know in r5 grenades still went through doors sometimes
azure reef
it's not a nerf. it's a buff. it becomes the perfect sentry that doesn't consume...
It also makes them actual sniper sentrys. Previously you never ran any other sentry because the sniper could do it all. It fired fast enough you could use it in melee range or pointing at the base of ladders up close. You shouldnt be able to use sniper turrets for everything, all 3 are meant to be situational.
glacial crescent
That'd be because of the cracks between doors
you can shoot through door cracks
tough badger
yeah
except they'd also bounce off the door and fall to the floor too
obtuse cedar
It also makes them actual sniper sentrys. Previously you never ran any other sen...
no sniper sentry is still the best to use in 90% of situation. if you don't see it then you have more to learn
tough badger
my original r5c2pe clear almost got lost to one cfoam grenade going through the door and another bouncing off it
glacial crescent
but its rare and also happens to fog repellers
glacial crescent
I forgot what causes it but it does send fog repellers flying at mach speed
glacial crescent
XD
azure reef
the bounce only happens if the door gets destroyed
I wouldn't say 90, but they are still extremely good. I reckon they need to be changed more, or the other sentrys made better to make it an actual tactical choice rather than a default.
obtuse cedar
I wouldn't say 90, but they are still extremely good. I reckon they need to be c...
no it is a 90%. the only other sentry that is viable is burst... it can only outshine sniper sentry in very few situation though... hence why sniper sentry is 90%
glacial crescent
This reminds me of the days when everyone used Shotgun Sentry
due to the damage multiplier bug related to the amount of players in the lobby
tough badger
I'm so sad about the current state of my son
glacial crescent
It was common seeing people sometimes go with 4 Shotgun Sentries in R1
tough badger
I want to like shotgun sentry but it feels like it just drains tool stupid fast for very little value rn
glacial crescent
until they did R1D1
tough badger
kekw
glacial crescent
I miss those simpler days lol
tough badger
r1d1 remains one of the greatest enemy reveals of all time
glacial crescent
Knowing nothing and thinking each tier was harder than the previous
spending hours and hours training on R1A1 till I thought I was good enough to do B tier
then C tier on repeat
and D tier
tough badger
LOL
difficulty scaling isn't quite that extreme
glacial crescent
Ye
but in my mind
each difficulty tier felt like it was suppose to be big
at the time
Later learned that it wasn't the case
tough badger
it's a fair assumption depending on your gaming background
glacial crescent
MMO Gaming and RTS
tough badger
yeah that checks out
glacial crescent
GTFO is probably the only FPS I really try harded on
clocking in at 1.1k hours for R1 to R3 (mostly R1 and R2)
glacial crescent
Haven't played much for the other rundowns
obtuse cedar
so what you are saying is. you missed the best ones
tough badger
I started in r5 and have loved my time here
rest of my squad is r1 or r3
tough badger
floodways was r5
tough badger
ooooooof
tough badger
I want to get my hands on r4e1 alt
glacial crescent
I do want to go back and play those rundowns
obtuse cedar
R4, was probably frustrating to play
the best rundown what are you on about. must be hitting pretty hard
tough badger
r6ext was a pretty good rundown
glacial crescent
what drove me away from R6 was the stamina system
tough badger
that's fair
it usually hasn't been an issue, but it definitely changed the feel of certain gameplay sections
glacial crescent
and the checkpoint system
tough badger
checkpoint bugs bother me more than checkpoints
glacial crescent
the checkpoint system for me kinda removed that anxiety feeling from the game
and made it feel more like a slog
tough badger
just do what my group did and commit to not using them
glacial crescent
because you knew if you messed up, you can just use the checkpoint
tough badger
proudly checkpoint free for all my r7 completions
r6 on the other hand was largely not difficult enough to warrant retrying the whole level
glacial crescent
Ah
The biggest issue I had going into R6 and R7
was undoing everything I learned from playing in R1 to R4
tough badger
understandable
nocturne flax
was undoing everything I learned from playing in R1 to R4
actually playing the game
glacial crescent
Especially the theorycrafting used to avoid taking damage from everything
while moving efficiently
glacial crescent
in the current iteration?
nocturne flax
apart from maybe the unintended dodge nerf
glacial crescent
Did they remove the speed slow from it
tough badger
it hasn't really changed much from r6
glacial crescent
because ik they destroyed the Shift + A/S/D dodge mechanic
tough badger
apart from maybe the unintended dodge nerf
i miss beeg sidestep every day
glacial crescent
and I remember carrying an objective item in R6
and just watching a sleeper walk next to me caused me to lose stamina somehow
and feel that instant speed loss
tough badger
ohhh no that's not stamina
tough badger
you collide with sleepers now
glacial crescent
sleeper didn't touch me
tough badger
if you're in one's hitbox you move slower
stamina doesn't affect non-sprinting speed so it definitely wasn't that while carrying an objective item
glacial crescent
obtuse cedar
what else
tough badger
legit skill issue sry m8
nocturne flax
copium
tough badger
sometimes you just don't want to relearn muscle memory so you take a break, it's fine
obtuse cedar
if you crouch through a snatcher, you will go through it faster then if you walk or run lol
tough badger
wot
glacial crescent
wat
obtuse cedar
it's actually a thing
tough badger
how'd that happen
obtuse cedar
idk
tough badger
thonking
obtuse cedar
they made it like that
tough badger
snatchers un-nerf sliding confirmed
glacial crescent
I love that slide bug for speed back then
just needed to know when to release the crouch button to avoid losing speed
and you were slightly faster than a sprinter
tough badger
yea it was fun
not a huge deal that it got removed, but still sad
glacial crescent
it was small tech like that which felt nice
tough badger
slide still feels great when fighting in cluttered areas where you can duck behind a bunch of cover
glacial crescent
Ye
I do feel like Giant Shooters were extremely underappreciated as an enemy
and they could've be done a lot better
tough badger
honestly it's about as simple as fps movement gets but i still like how gtfo's feels
glacial crescent
Like remove some of that armor on the legs
nocturne flax
I do feel like Giant Shooters were extremely underappreciated as an enemy
Big shooters are a big treat since they barely have a windup on their attacks
tough badger
shooters in general are basically support enemies that are only dangerous at all in hordes
but chickens are on another level of ignorable lol
nocturne flax
hybrids are so overused people just got use to it
glacial crescent
and change it so that you dont destroy their entire upper body with a couple swings
rendering them so much more harder to kill because of the time needed getting past that armor
tough badger
hybrids are great, even if the actual "hybrid" part of them (the melee) is half a joke once you learn to exploit it
tough badger
also changing part damage requirements on chickens won't matter so long as hammer does 100 stagger damage
glacial crescent
can you still kite chargers in a circle without getting hit by their fists or tongues
tough badger
can you still kite chargers in a circle without getting hit by their fists or to...
not for very long i don't think
glacial crescent
F
nocturne flax
hybrids and big shooters have all 150 hp
tough badger
they don't lose their head after 1 shot so more hp is almost necessary
a fact which is the only thing keeping me from completely tossing the precision rifle into a trash compactor
glacial crescent
any weapons that suck atm?
nocturne flax
carabine sucks
tough badger
some of the full/semi auto weapons are in numbers contests with each other, but prec rifle is probably the only one I'd maybe call bad
someone else who does more number crunching might know better tho
nocturne flax
it needs to be buff
tough badger
l m f a o
nocturne flax
obtuse cedar
carbine's clip isn't big enough. can we please give it 12 more in the clip. it would be fair and balance
nocturne flax
buff it
glacial crescent
xD
nocturne flax
carbine's clip isn't big enough. can we please give it 12 more in the clip. it w...
finally a guy with a brain
tough badger
i like prec rifle when i can click heads with it
any other time it's turbo-ass
and the reload does not need to be 5 seconds long
nocturne flax
we need to push another buff
glacial crescent
did they actually nerf the mag size for Carbine?
deft kiln
If everyone just doesn’t use carbine we can get it buffed again
tough badger
the carbine could one-shot tanks and I still wouldn't use it
but i don't like burst fire weapons in general
nocturne flax
did they actually nerf the mag size for Carbine?
its so underwhelming to use
48 in the clip isnt enough
damage on par with the pdw isnt good either
nocturne flax
gotta give it more
tough badger
give it 21 more
tough badger
69 clip 420 reserve
carbine fixed
glacial crescent
Mmm
Could be a stat issue thing
Kind of like how Assault Rifle on Paper looks balanced
nocturne flax
Could be a stat issue thing
were fucking with you
tough badger
carbine just got buffed when it was already good so it's become a meme
nocturne flax
dont know why they keep buffing it
obtuse cedar
dont know why they keep buffing it
it's hel gun all over again
tough badger
i wish we were still joking about scattergun
nocturne flax
someones friend group won
tough badger
i miss scatter, what a dumb weapon
nocturne flax
but yeah the balacing on this patch was pretty nice tho
everything made sense
until well
carabine
kekw
reef talon
carrybine
tough badger
weapon balance hasn't been too terrible since r6
scattergun was just
well
scattergun
but I'm the king of sawed-off copium, I swear it was fine and good guys I promise
nocturne flax
but I'm the king of sawed-off copium, I swear it was fine and good guys I promis...
it was alright
tough badger
yeah it wasn't broken and it was awkward to use but damn it it did what it was supposed to
nocturne flax
i just wish the spread was slitghtly tighter so you can get an extra umf
tough badger
that's fair
tough badger
missing one pellet at breathing distance felt a bit bad
nocturne flax
super consistent bodyshots onshots
glacial crescent
I enjoy the HAR
nocturne flax
really nice
tough badger
but hey, if they're bringing all the old rundown-specific weapons back, I'll have my child back with r5
and i can go back to my 5-shot wonder loadout with r6
combined clip size of 5 and a dream is all I need
glacial crescent
talking about the amount of lights
nocturne flax
feels anything but dark
||dont tell him to remove the nostagial glasses||
obtuse cedar
everyone should remove them
glacial crescent
no nostalgia really
obtuse cedar
r4 is gonna be a joke with the current tools and guns
tough badger
well we're probably going to have hel rifle back lol
obtuse cedar
r4e1 extreme "hardest missions ever made"
==> now a joke with current weaponry
nocturne flax
r4e1 extreme "hardest missions ever made"
==> now a joke with current weaponry
i was against it before, but now i do hope they rework the room layout for the guy in the back
specially last terminal
obtuse cedar
go 2-2
no issues what so ever
guns are so stupid strong now. 2 players should easily be able to shoot even if they are pubs
tough badger
el classico
nocturne flax
el classico
buenisimo
mortal portal
Provisions + R7 Weaponry + 2-2 strat = XD 
tough badger
provision lol lmao
obtuse cedar
people who are saying "wait until you see those missions! they are so hard!" are coping hard
tough badger
i mean
they're still gonna be hard unless you're a certain amount of good at the game already
but yeah they're not gonna be as hard as anyone remembers them
nocturne flax
people who are saying "wait until you see those missions! they are so hard!" are...
1 shot of hel rifle
its all it takes
tough badger
even if weapons weren't different, everyone already knows all the strats so nostalgia from the discovery period is instantly out the window
and then yeah lmao if we get r5 hel rifle balance back it's gonna be funny
i do think it was inflated a bit by r5 having a lot of straight lines to shoot down, but it was still too strong
glacial crescent
Yeee
tough badger
makes sense, it was better on smalls and still great against bigs
nocturne flax
whats a charge up??- 10cc dev
damn its like the charge up for the hel weaponry was there to keep them in check
tough badger
i just liked how the hel rifle felt to use tbh i didn't find out it was broken until later in the rundown lmao
nocturne flax
but bh have a humongous skill issue
tough badger
make me bug hunter, i will nerf every weapon but sawed-off
nocturne flax
make me bug hunter, i will nerf every weapon but sawed-off <:PirateSimon:6218175...
buff saw of to 6 bullets
tough badger
a king cannot admit weakness
glacial crescent
xD
tough badger
either that or just release the alts fast, either works
glacial crescent
guessing Bug Hunters are a big meme?
tough badger
stuff has happened, I don't know the full story but I know it's a mess
QA is kinda in A State across the whole industry tho
nocturne flax
guessing Bug Hunters are a big meme?
they always have been
tough badger
and to an extent any time there are bugs in a game someone gets memed on for it
riot takes the cake for toxic balance/bug memes with the "200 years" bit
that one's gold
glacial crescent
The recoil on HAR is pretty good
tough badger
it got increased recoil at the start of r7 iirc
glacial crescent
Not really
tough badger
it's still perfectly manageable yea
glacial crescent
you know the exact value of the recoil?
tough badger
nope, didn't look b/c i don't use full autos
glacial crescent
Ah
gonna have to take a look at the power and scale
since it feels really familiar to me
tough badger
possible it had had the recoil lowered when it was reintroduced and then got nerfed back to what you're familiar with
tough badger
o7
glacial crescent
brought out my notes from late R3
nocturne flax
Har its from r4 tho
fallow wasp
Time for the devs to introduce nightmare difficulty where you'll drop in with predetermined loadouts and no ammo
glacial crescent
R3 modded when the HAR was made
tough badger
nah just make E2s, or at least use optionals in E again
i think r7e1 wouldn't be quite as unpopular if it weren't the only E-tier content we got for months
obtuse cedar
it is unpopular because it just doesn't fill the role of E tier
people consider it a D tier max
- it is pretty boring
tough badger
right, but a level missing the mark like that wouldn't feel as bad if it weren't the only one we got for literal months
fallow wasp
I don't think it was particularly chaotic as the name might suggest
maybe it was more of them easing back into the not having checkpoints for a level thing
since r6 began all the long levels had plenty of checkpoints
tough badger
"at least E2 is good" or "at least E1 secondary is fun" would be better than "this kinda sucks, guess we wait 4+ months and hope the next one is better"
glacial crescent
It was a gun that was a hybrid between Support and Damage. Long Range semi auto hits with an immediate burst of damage at close range via hipfire to allow players to distance themselves.
tough badger
I don't think it was particularly chaotic as the name might suggest
it was chaotic if you messed up but like... that's every level
r5d2's reactor probably got the theme better
fallow wasp
One day I will get to experience the glory of r5 again
tough badger
when i think about it really hard there are only actually like 5-6 levels i want to play again in r5
but they were really good levels
fallow wasp
never got past half the c level objectives
but I am told time and time again that d1 is a heinously difficult task
tough badger
A/B/C tiers were, perhaps, a little too difficult a little too fast, in r5
fallow wasp
or at least tedious
I didn't mind it in the end. Hard rundown meant I got better at the game
tough badger
D1 was disgustingly tedious, I hate all but like the main part of ex from it
and even then, the cell zone from ex was just... why
there's difficult and then there's just not fun and I think r5d1 hit a lot of the latter
but it's okay b/c r5d2 is one of the best levels ever made and I am blinding myself with nostalgia on 70% of it
r5 was a truly incredible mix of cool new ideas, and weird padding
"here have a giant stealth zone filled to the brim. it respawns for no reason."
tough badger
r5a1 pre-nerf was easily the worst a1 ever and i don't even need to play the rest of them to know that
r5a2 was a bad beginner level for very different reasons, but at least it was fun and cool
unique kayak
nah I love A1
me 2
paper harness
I think r5a2 was fine, it should be what the game is, main objectives are very straightforward to do, and extreme and overload exponentially increase the difficulty
and it was good to introduce newer players to content that they usually wouldn't be able to experience, in r4, I think the first moms were in B3 overload, otherwise you which isn't a level that beginners would be able to clear up to very easily
I think that even making the main objectives substantially easier for later levels is fine, but just having a compensatory increase in difficulty for optionals will allow a wider variety of player skills to clear the majority of the levels which giving veterans some challenge to chase
tough badger
main problem with r5a2 main was just the respawn room was dumb
easy if cheesed, stupidly tedious if not
extreme was goated tho
verbal ether
r5a2 overload was pretty dumb imo, bunch of babies + mom not sleeping + extraction alarm = if you open that door as a team of beginners, you are 100% gonna die just because you opened a door at the end of a level which might just end up frustrating new players
if the overload was meant as some kind of mom's introduction to beginners then she should be either asleep or way easier to deal with (no babies behind the door/extraction alarm) imo
last gust
I guess my thing about r5a2 overload, is that just a mommy would probably crush most noob teams, so I kinda feel like the pre-existing babies are unnecessary
last gust
main problem with r5a2 main was just the respawn room was dumb
easy if cheesed, ...
but yeah, my main problem with r5a2 is that the central respawn room was just so... unnecessary
finding and bopping sleepers in fog is just not a compelling repeat exercise
hexed vapor
r5a2 overload was pretty dumb imo, bunch of babies + mom not sleeping + extracti...
That's kind of the point, though. It's Overload.
Newbies should either expect to be fighting from behind or they shouldn't attempt it.
Which, tbh, is kind of necessary introduction to the hardest rundown in the game's history.
real moss
r5a2 overload was pretty dumb imo, bunch of babies + mom not sleeping + extracti...
R5A2 was a great mission to introduce sec and overload objectives to new players. R5A1 was big poo poo on the other hand
stable pivot
R5A1 was the first mission of GTFO I ever played, so it has a strong nostalgia value for me. But I remember its difficulty be ridiculously high now that I compare it to other A1 levels I have played.
Can't wait for R5 ALT to roll out, hopefully it won't take us long to get there. The devs now have the framework for introducing old rundowns back so hopefully the release schedule will be a quick one. Optimistically a month at max between each rundown release, but that's optimistic.
hard cape
R5 A1 is a B level mission in difficulty. It's the hardest A1 i ever encountered.
stable pivot
R5D1 will be a pain again though without checkpoints
If there ever was a level that needed checkpoints, it would be that one.
hard cape
i bought this game last November. Before I can play other levels in R5 they changed it to R6
fallow wasp
R5A1 is the only level I think I ever solo’d
plush basin
Is R5A1 the hard drive one?
fallow wasp
No r5a1 is just “go deactivate security on a terminal”
tough badger
r5a1 wasn't really that hard it was just pointlessly long
giant rooms and r5 spawn rng made waking up rooms a disaster sometimes tho
legit saw people get single rooms with 20+ sleepers sometimes
burnt goblet
Still it's gonna be a long time until we get r5
hexed vapor
Enemy density in first zone was broken, and was spawning a huge number of enemies.
tough badger
yeah
burnt goblet
Any guesses on when we are gonna get the later alts
I say mid-late next year
R8 2024
fallow wasp
My hopeful guess is gonna be about a month or so per rundown
hexed vapor
Any guesses on when we are gonna get the later alts
R2 could be anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months from now imo.
fallow wasp
Assuming they don’t make any big changes
burnt goblet
Knowing 10C, I'd say the 2 months
R2-3 shouldnt take TOO long, But R4 and beyond is when extremes and overloads start coming in so they are gonna probably take a lot longer
fallow wasp
Understandable
Kinda funny if you hear someone say extreme referring to objectives you know they’ve been playing since at least r5
burnt goblet
Always thought extremes kinda sounded better than secondaries lol
olive shoal
that’s because it does
half hornet
Duno, sounds kinda cringe in context.
Extreme what? Extreme difficulty?
atomic escarp
as in difficulty sure but as an objective its wrong
half hornet
Although changing it 6 rundowns in was a weird decision.
Probably should've owned it.
obtuse cedar
it was the sector that was the difficulty. not the objective. you opened an extreme sector and you had to do an objective in it
obtuse cedar
the bulkhead was telling you constantly that the sector was "extreme" or "overload"
now it doesn't for secondary, and it only say it once for overload
half hornet
They probably realized they couldn't reliably lore explain why sectors are extreme.
That, or literally just convinience of understanding.
strange junco
its just easier to understand
half hornet
But then again why they didn't do it for overload? Overloads are optional too.
Super secondary? Secondary with a twist?
hexed vapor
I think Overload is more-so intended to actually be pretty hard consistently.
Secondary just being "a step up" or "extra on-top" isn't quite extreme in comparison.
half hornet
It consistantly, khem, OBERLOADS the mission with extra pain in the ass.
strange junco
i like the "threat level high/extreme/overload" than "sector priority main/secondary/overload"
but then some people are like
"wtf is a high"
half hornet
Yeah, that's a good question.
High sector? High infestation?
They could try beating into your head, somehow.
But I guess it was too much work.
hexed vapor
Even if you don't like Secondary as terminology, High was horrendous.
half hornet
So we settled on conventional categorisation methods.
hexed vapor
Like, we get it, the game is hard.
But when you have to tell us that, feels pretty stupid.
Especially when a lot of content is piss easy if you're reasonably experienced.
strange junco
high sounds stupid in a difficulty pov
but seems reasonable in a "threat level" pov
half hornet
"high objective" does sound nonsensical, isn't it?
there's an obvious weed joke in there, but whatever
burnt goblet
When the rest of the alts come to gtfo, there will be 68 total expeditions. Damn, one short lol
strange junco
would be funny if r8 only had 1 really long expedition just to make it the funny
burnt goblet
If anything I say 12 total
So 8 rundowns, 80 expeditions
candid dragon
i love going into secure areas for work to hear "threat level OVERLOAD" play on the loudspeakers whenever someone has to leave to use the bathroom
jolly perch
Tbh, extremes should be extra things to do, overload should be extra problems to deal with
Like for example, an extreme objective is an added on objective; "get 12 pids"
An overload objective is an extra modifier added on, such as an error alarm
hexed vapor
Tbh, extremes should be extra things to do, overload should be extra problems to...
Too restrictive for level design.
fallow wasp
some levels do indeed just add modifier to the map for extremes or overloads
R5A2 extreme wasn't hard to complete, but it shut all the lights down for the rest of the level
tough badger
it was the perfect first optional objective
right at the beginning so even without checkpoints failing it wasn't a huge time loss, and deceptively difficult to boot
plus it taught you the most important lesson of all: trust nothing
crystal oriole
Too restrictive for level design.
From what I remember, most 
do just make the level more spicy, though.
Like R6D3's making fog overtake the level and putting you on a time crunch, as well as adding an error alarm to turn off.
Or R7D1's overload turning your visibility to 0m and adding a snatcher error
There are exceptions to the rule, ofc.
Like R7C2 just being "yeah go collect these OSIPs"
and R5A2's overload just being a hahafunny mom behind a door for newbies to wipe on after opening it lol
Definitely gave me a spook the first time...
hexed vapor
and R5A2's overload just being a hahafunny mom behind a door for newbies to wipe...
This is literally an example of a non-modifier Overload objective.
crystal oriole
Yeah? As I just said, there's exceptions.
But from what I remember, they mostly just add a difficulty modifier to the level.
Turning normal fog to infectious, etc.
Of course, maybe I'm wrong on the actual numbers and it's closer to a 50% split between difficulty modifiers and extra objectives
I didn't complete all of R4-5 unfortunately
But from what I've heard/read about the levels, that seems to be the case.
nocturne flax
r4 was quite literally an error spam
r5 was a "lets see how long can we stretch these digsite and refinery tiles"
crystal oriole
I won't know the struggle for a couple of months, it would seem.
I mean, wouldn't be mad if they dropped R2 out of nowhere next Friday
nocturne flax
hope they do change some stuff
crystal oriole
optional objectives pls 10CC
nocturne flax
because from r2 and onwards theres some stuff need changing on those levels
crystal oriole
Hope they redesign E1 tbh.
nocturne flax
nah let them be vanilla
crystal oriole
It needs to be buffed a lot
nocturne flax
it makes sense been campaign base
crystal oriole
At least for current E tiers
nocturne flax
r2e1 was just rng heaven
you didnt even beat the level via skill
thats why people would just kite
because it was shitty design
random error spawns are shit and doesnt promote any good gameplay flow
crystal oriole
I can't speak for how it was back then bc I didn't beat it until recently
but it didn't seem all that hard, I guess?
Shadow Titans sucked, but right now they're infinitely easier to handle
nocturne flax
the first half ot the level its easy as hell
kekw
the error section its the bs one
crystal oriole
Yeah
Error spawns could screw you if they spawned in the scout room near extract
Or if they broke a door or two near the surge alarms, ig
nocturne flax
pretty much
lots of rng
seeding that error to spawn behind you would make infinitely better
crystal oriole
Removing that element of RNG just means you permafoam the door and chill, no?
nocturne flax
no?
crystal oriole
Wait, the error ramps up?
nocturne flax
did you went back in time?
crystal oriole
I did.
nocturne flax
yes
crystal oriole
Idk, it was big chilling during that part from what I remember.
Weren't permafoaming during it, ofc
atomic escarp
they keep spawning on intervals
crystal oriole
but with current mechanics
nocturne flax
imagine permafoaming
atomic escarp
so you need to clear them if you dont want to be overwhelmed
crystal oriole
lol. That's what we did for our run. I just meant permafoaming for when ALT://R2 drops.
Though you definitely won't be bringing the Shotgun Sentry back to that level nowadays
Unless it gets some buffs, anyway
atomic escarp
imagine shotgun sentry
crystal oriole
Technically it is working as intended, so it would need a buff rather than a fix
though I do agree that it should hit center mass.
rather than aim for the head
As is, though, it's not worth running.
atomic escarp
it doenst shoot center mass
big words make em smaller?
nocturne flax
shoot body
atomic escarp
shoot body
thanks
nocturne flax
shotgun sentry gotta shoot nipple
nippe good
head bad
head miss pellet
no damage, waste ammo
crystal oriole
Alternatively they could just code it so the shell itself is one burst of damage rather than many small ones, so the damage stacks in the one hit rather than only going until the head breaks
nocturne flax
the simplest way to fix ss its for them to add an invisible head on the chest that the ss would always target and put that shit in the datablock like shoot_2_head
or someshit
crystal oriole
But shooting center mass is probably a better one
crystal oriole
the simplest way to fix ss its for them to add an invisible head on the chest th...
Or this, yeah.
crystal oriole
Would love to see the ss returned to its former glory.
I say as though I used it back then
nocturne flax
r2 back then was pretty wild tbh
people be running 4 sentries
"we gonna spend hours here anyways we dont need bio"
nocturne flax
we were mad stupid back then
crystal oriole
That is true. No one really had a deep understanding of the mechanics at that point.
Which is why R1/2 were so hard back in the day compared to now.
nocturne flax
the game was never hard if you were never afraid to shoot tbh
crystal oriole
I couldn't imagine playing any R1 level with less than 4 players back when I first started playing, yet my ALT://R1 level completions were all done duo.
nocturne flax
but since back then the menacing aura it had
i still find it facinating that people think this is a horror game
kekw
crystal oriole
the game was never hard if you were never afraid to shoot tbh
I guess. I probably shoot now as much as I did back then.
Though that's just because we'd fuck up rooms a lot more often
hexed vapor
Of course, maybe I'm wrong on the actual numbers and it's closer to a 50% split ...
-R4A3Ov the majority of the error alarm is fought progressing through Overload.
-R4B2Ov was an OSIP hunt w/ hard stealth, alarms, and blood doors.
-R4B3Ov was a bunch of S scans, stealth, and a birther fight to input a terminal command (no error).
-R5B1Ov was a holdout reactor with all free codes.
-R5B2Ov was an OSIP hunt in full fog.
-R5C2Ov was a wave defense in a big room with lots of entrances.
-R7C2Ov is an OSIP hunt with a lot of chargers.
And even most of the levels with "modifiers" are either fairly self-contained or contain notable preambles or follow-up content within the Overload.
hexed vapor
It needs to be buffed a lot
Stamina is more than enough, kiting was what made it easy.
candid dragon
hmmm.... whats harder r1 alt or r1?
crystal oriole
-R4A3Ov the majority of the error alarm is fought progressing through Overload. ...
Closer to 50% than I thought. I shall rescind my statement, then.
crystal oriole
Stamina is more than enough, kiting was what made it easy.
I personally disagree but I guess we'll have to wait and see what they change.
nocturne flax
i mean ray its right
crystal oriole
hmmm.... whats harder r1 alt or r1?
Depends on what you mean, I guess
nocturne flax
kiting made a lot of levels just stupid easy
crystal oriole
Do you mean R1 back then, as in with players with only R1 knowledge?
Or R1 as in your current R7 self put back into R1?
mortal portal
I mean, back in the original R1 people didn't really know how to play
candid dragon
hmmm.... whats harder r1 alt or r1?
because a lot of the getting instaclapped by giants isnt a thing anymore.
current timespan, so ie, now knowledge
crystal oriole
^
mortal portal
So it was harder.
Then R2 came and... Since people were still figuring out how to play, it was carnage
crystal oriole
because a lot of the getting instaclapped by giants isnt a thing anymore.
curre...
Assuming you're going into old R1 with the knowledge you have now, then probably new R1 is harder.
You could just infinitely kite back in R1 (not that you needed to)
hexed vapor
E1's main issue, imo, was that resource balance was designed for shooting through all of the surge alarms, which, on their own could just kill you if you weren't on your game.
Kiting was significantly less risky than just holding, and also meant you spent next to nothing on each surge alarm.
crystal oriole
True. You spent next to nothing if you kited.
But what's the point of playing an E-tier level if you're just going to cheese. 💀
At the time, though, I guess players saw it as the better alternative
Since holding seemed far harder in comparison
hexed vapor
hmmm.... whats harder r1 alt or r1?
They're pretty even. AltR1 has some difficulty bumps, but weapons are also massively power-creeped. Otherwise, it's almost identical to the OG R1, which even had R1 MG balance, combat shotgun, and 4x damage shotgun sentry, so it's not like people were without the tools for the job, and enemies like Shadows have even been nerfed and such.
nocturne flax
They're pretty even. AltR1 has some difficulty bumps, but weapons are also mass...
crawling shadows :[
hexed vapor
Lasted exactly one rundown 😔
hexed vapor
But what's the point of playing an E-tier level if you're just going to cheese. ...
I don't consider kiting cheese, straight up, especially if you're not capping a specific enemy type that wouldn't be capped normally. It's straight up a balancing issue.
crystal oriole
especially if you're not capping a specific enemy type that wouldn't be capped normally
What do you mean by this? I don't understand.
errant vigil
Strikers ok giants not
hexed vapor
So like, it's one thing to kite an alarm wave, but it's another thing to pull 15 giants specifically to kite them.
errant vigil
But you could wait for giants to spawn on wave and kill the strikers
hexed vapor
So, if you pull all of the shadow titans before the surge, kind of cheesy, but if you're just kiting the surge wave, it's more-so the game's fault for not making the right demands of the player(s).
Oh, that's going to be the new PuG strat.
Didn't even occur to me that you can still do that, and cheeselords are absolutely going to be zoning in on it.
crystal oriole
Mm...so what you mean is that you consider waking up a bunch of giants for the sole purpose of kiting them to prevent alarm spawns more cheesy than outright kiting the alarm waves, then?
hexed vapor
Yeah.
crystal oriole
I've never seen giant capping outside of soloing.
hexed vapor
People did it in R5C2
crystal oriole
Didn't know people even did that in groups
hexed vapor
Because R5C2 Ov was actually hard.
Not that hard, but hard enough that if you were a genuinely horrendous player you would never be able to do it.
hexed vapor
Yeah.
errant vigil
Keeping waves from spawning for more than a minute 1 or 2 is cringe
hexed vapor
Kiting is def cringe, I just wouldn't say it's cheese.
nocturne flax
shotout to largestboy and ross for sniping all 8 tanks on our trio pre nerf
crystal oriole
It spawned how many
hexed vapor
I think there's a big difference between manipulating mob cap, which kind of has to exist as a performance-saving measure, and simply avoiding the wave of enemies that was going to spawn anyway.
crystal oriole
I suppose.
hexed vapor
Especially when ordinary kiting, imo, just kind of arises out of the normal evasion gameplay.
The game gives you the ability to dodge enemies, you can do that repeatedly and for multiple enemies, and so you can use that to kite.
errant vigil
Enemies miss a fuck ton still tho 
hexed vapor
It's entirely that R1-R5 didn't do anything to stop you from doing that that kiting was allowed to exist.
crystal oriole
At what point does skillfully dodging enemy attacks become kiting, is the question.
hexed vapor
Yeah, I don't like stamina, but it's better than nothing.
hexed vapor
I would rather have gotten an evasion/cover rework.
nocturne flax
you could always pew pew
hexed vapor
But the big thing is that PuGs (mostly) kite a lot less.
nocturne flax
theres was never a level or situation in wich your suppose to run
crystal oriole
Yeah, it doesn't happen often nowadays
Though you're never really forced into that kind of situation anymore
crystal oriole
theres was never a level or situation in wich your suppose to run
^
errant vigil
The guns have so much stagger now I don’t know why they don’t make the enemies more punishing if you don’t shoot/stagger them
open pier
Big chargers exist.
crystal oriole
Big chargers exist.
Just shoot smh my head
errant vigil
Cool one enemy
errant vigil
Pouncer would be another one
nocturne flax
Also, melee animations, lmao.
aaaaaaaaayyyyyy lmao
homeboy walking on air and shit
crystal oriole
They have animations? /s
open pier
Snatcher also exists, one of the higher stagger values out there
It's not about making them stagger immune, it's about having your team distribute stagger to the high value targets or killing them quickly
nocturne flax
snatcher its not that big of a threat with hoe many high damage weapons we do have
daring pilot
are there any stagger immune enemies other than Kraken?
hexed vapor
are there any stagger immune enemies other than Kraken?
Snatcher
nocturne flax
specially when you can 1 shot stagger with sniper on the belly mid grabbing animation
hexed vapor
It checks damage directly.
daring pilot
They can be staggered i thought
nocturne flax
are there any stagger immune enemies other than Kraken?
squidward*
we aint calling him kraken
hexed vapor
and instead of actually staggering, it's forced to "cancel" its attack.
daring pilot
It checks damage directly.
Ah
hexed vapor
That's why you can't actually stagger them if they're not running towards you.
daring pilot
Wait I’ve staggered it before it attacks
hexed vapor
They have to decide they want to grab first.
hexed vapor
Wait I’ve staggered it before it attacks
Any time during the approach at all.
errant vigil
I talking about actually having enemies hits when not killed or staggered be consistent and always hit
daring pilot
Ahhhh
hexed vapor
If they're just wandering randomly, or running away, they're immune.
errant vigil
Or use cover to get out of los
crystal oriole
If they're just wandering randomly, or running away, they're immune.
That is definitely true, now that you mention it.
No matter how many rounds of carbine I pump into it, unless it's heading for someone, it doesn't gaf.
nocturne flax
Or use cover to get out of los
all enemies have raycast
hexed vapor
That's also why stagger weapons, like Hammer and HEL Shotgun, are unusually weak into the Snatcher.
nocturne flax
electric bogaloo
hexed vapor
Because you're not actually staggering it, the multi doesn't do anything.
You specifically have to do damage (a little over 30) or nothing happens.
errant vigil
I stand still 3 three enemies miss
crystal oriole
The snatcher did become a lot less of a threat in my eyes the moment I realized that you can force it to miss by literally anything that blocks LOS.
and then slightly more of a threat after it grabbed me through a grated floor
open pier
If they're just wandering randomly, or running away, they're immune.
I was not aware that it was the case. No wonder having a precision rifle on the team messes them up so bad.
warped haven
peek
obtuse surge
crystal oriole
For a split second, you had me excited
How dare you add that emoji 0.1 seconds later to ruin it.
Would be nice if it did get fixed though.
No one in my group wants to play it anymore because getting the level to work properly is a nightmare and a half.
nocturne flax
go inside overload
clear it
before inputting the code
have everybody disconnect
crystal oriole
Have everyone leave?
nocturne flax
input code
crystal oriole
My first attempt after they patched out leaving it for last
I got 5 at once
Died a little inside that day...
daring pilot
No one in my group wants to play it anymore because getting the level to work pr...
nono the better option is using D1 to break D2
crystal oriole
wot
daring pilot
my group did a funny
hexed vapor
@obtuse whale You'd have to be more specific about what you want. Alarms are extremely malleable, and a lot of variations have appeared across the past 7 rundowns.
Things like enemy composition, scan combinations, the exact wave sizes and ramp speeds, etc.
open pier
my group did a funny
upload. the darn. clip.
let people gaze upon the shadow giant surge
hexed vapor
Isn't that just defending in the hallway?
open pier
it is until you have to reload
or shadow charger bug (which I have an amazing reaction to)
open pier
wow, even when they're awake, bat solos giants pretty well
Just need to stop hitting his hips and and hit his kneecaps instead
@atomic escarp Bat stun is only consistent if you don't break a limb
Otherwise, even as host, it's a stunlock
atomic escarp
<@456226577798135808> Bat stun is *only* consistent if you don't break a limb
ill have to try this again then
open pier
I have a tendency to accidentally hit him in the wrong area, but if you can break a limb for every hit, you'll kill them before you run out of limbs
So just be careful with your rhythm of left, right swings
hard cape
Dead Space: gtfo
bold widget
can't someone fucking tell me what the fuck is wrong with me
i play like the worst hobo as of late
silent kettle
play r4 again
silent kettle
you will derust immediately
silent kettle
this is so tragic
obtuse whale
Things like enemy composition, scan combinations, the exact wave sizes and ramp ...
if i were to send you a list of possible alarms could you fill in what im missing if any?
open pier
i play like the worst hobo as of late
Self-doubt, lack of sleep, and distractions or need for food/water can hinder you
daring pilot
if i were to send you a list of possible alarms could you fill in what im missin...
i can try too
obtuse whale
ty
hard cape
There is shadow in R7C2? that's like first time
obtuse scaffold
Aight so how we feeling bout r1
atomic escarp
There is shadow in R7C2? that's like first time
there werent before but now apparently there is
hexed vapor
if i were to send you a list of possible alarms could you fill in what im missin...
Possibly, but more-so asking how much detail you want.
Also, what's it for?
atomic escarp
rat making a gtfo knockoff
obtuse whale
nah, not yet
atomic escarp
might of spoiled your plan too early then 🤐
obtuse whale
nah, nothing like that
atomic escarp
oh ok then im good
obtuse whale
yes
atomic escarp
😮💨
lavish wyvern
Any news on rundown 2 rerelease date?
daring pilot
Any news on rundown 2 rerelease date?
nope
lavish wyvern
Scheisse
It make me go wiwi
I wouldn't mind waiting 2 weeks
If the devs would bring back the old melees as reskins
I have hope
high vortex
Do more waves spawn after the tank on R7C3 if you kill it and don't touch extraction?
obtuse cedar
people running "mods" to bring back the 4 old hammers
high vortex
They're cosmetic melee reskins from older rundowns
hard cape
So there is no difference? just the look
obtuse cedar
if they were able to one tap sleeper in the back of the head without charging at all then they kept the stats of old hammer
else it's the same as the current hammer
high vortex
Each also has an article on the GTFO wiki page where you can read more 🙂 (e.g. https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Maul)
mortal granite
old hammer have more damage or more precision damage (something like that)
so you don't have to charge your hammer to kill sleeper
errant vigil
Since they didn't bring them back for ALT R1 my hopes aren't high
obtuse cedar
maybe they'll make skins for all other 3 melees in r8... then you can hope
errant vigil
The hammers are just sticks of metal with a slab of metal on the end
cedar haven
why I've never seen "Woods" character in rundown 7 can anyone explain shortly what happen to him?
midnight sedge
woods is the host character
you just never see him labeled, since he cant be a bot
obtuse cedar
you see him if host leave the lobby and the new host set player 1 to have bots activate
by default slot 1 is "player only"
and since Woods is player 1... he is in slot 1
you can have him be in another slot with some schenannigans
jaunty lava
do we have any weapon data spreadsheet for the newest update?
hard cape
Yes there is GTFO wiki but the data is not updated yet
jaunty lava
ah ok. I was wondering what the differences between veruta and arbalist (the two machineguns) we have are
kind swan
tough badger
two machine guns b/c they're probably just bringing back every old rundown-specific weapon (or at least most of them), and there happen to have been two different machine guns rotating
hard cape
if they bring back burst cannon that would be nice
wind pilot
old hammer have more damage or more precision damage (something like that)
Thanks for the r7 guides really helped
mortal granite
Thanks for watching the guides
wind pilot
Spam firing the special revolver behind a tank at point blank and killing it is honestly so satisfying
narrow gulch
holy shit bro why the fuck does r1d1 have SO many resource zones
and why do none of them even have somewhat mild threats in them
wind pilot
We should make new players r1 first before r7
R1 is so chill and relaxing and then theres c3 pe
narrow gulch
yeah no kidding lmao
mortal granite
r1d1 was the hardest mission back then
and everyone was so dumb (because 0 guide)
guns isn't that powerful
even if we tried to stealth kill all the room
we still shit at the game when alarm start
wind pilot
Yep
How times changed
Guns fell a bit too powerful nowadays tbh but with the levels we have it makes more sense ig
Looking at you carbine
mortal granite
i know that sometime, the player want some changes to gun to feel a bit powerful like you're actually shooting bullet
but it looked like it got out of hand
errant vigil
head bug made many of the guns pre R4 disgusting
Only guns that didn't benefit were sniper, revo, dmr, hel weaponry, and BC
turbid cliff
Pistol
errant vigil
Both pistol and rifle benefited from it
hoary musk
and why do none of them even have somewhat mild threats in them
Giants were spooky back then, and we generally had more redundant zones.
errant vigil
Weren’t giants extremely slow
Guns weren’t too great so I could see them being kind of bad
mortal granite
you don't see people going in for the stealth kill giant back in r1
they would just kill small and then damage some of the big a bit
and then shoot
turbid cliff
Both pistol and rifle benefited from it
Pistol didn't
Pistol didn't break heads in 1 hit back then
Rifle was only usable because it did benefit
turbid cliff
Pistol didn't break heads in 1 hit back then
Didn't have such bs falloff either
mellow creek
ngl
devs are making rd slower than modders
lolll
and modders have so much more interesting enemies to be scared off
mortal granite
and modders have so much more interesting enemies to be scared off
ye, most of that are from scrap idea from devs
wind pilot
Would be cool if modders and devs worked together, maybe we would get kore rundown extensions
I just hope that the game could go big again sometime soon so we can get more players
nocturne flax
Would be cool if modders and devs worked together, maybe we would get kore rundo...
you might as well hire them kekw
wind pilot
Thing with modders is they are “free lance part timers” so its hard to hire them in a way
robust marsh
Would be cool if modders and devs worked together, maybe we would get kore rundo...
prop not as the devs hate or just don't care about modding
mortal granite
Thing with modders is they are “free lance part timers” so its hard to hire them...
or they don't want to be hired
wind pilot
Also that^
nocturne flax
Modding its not really game development neither
robust marsh
not in this game
nocturne flax
modding a game and using their tools its easy when your using someone elses work and working by yourself
but if you put them on a teamwork envioroment and give them limitations its not really the same thing
wind pilot
modding a game and using their tools its easy when your using someone elses work...
That’s true
nocturne flax
when modding your not selling a product your jusut doing your own thing
wind pilot
Yeah
mortal granite
here's the video (not same game) but you'll get the idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUaIHkwbjk&t=1s
some of the game devs company do communicate with modders
some got hired
some get their mod into the game
but saying modding = developing is just wrong
wind pilot
but saying modding = developing is just wrong
Ofc
robust marsh
but gtfo at the moment can benefit alot from talking to modders
cause most likely half of the company doesn't even know what they are doing
the vision got cut and most bugs that were there got forgotten cause most devs don't know they exist
wind pilot
Uh not sure abt that but ok
robust marsh
cause most likely half of the company doesn't even know what they are doing
am i wrong?
tell me im wrong
nocturne flax
yes your wrong
wind pilot
Idk 11chambers enough to agree nor disagree
wind pilot
Uh
nocturne flax
theyre developing a new game while were talking
mortal granite
man, it's so easy to run a company that have 90 peoples
nocturne flax
misscommunication its not the same as not knowing what their doing
wind pilot
But on a serious note if we had R1 like we have rn when gtfo 1.0 launched I think we’d have more players since it would have transitioned them for r6 much better than r6 is
robust marsh
again give me a reason to believe they know what they are doing with gtfo
nocturne flax
rey with the copy and paste reason from someone else strikes again
robust marsh
whos?
nocturne flax
again give me a reason to believe they know what they are doing with gtfo
your still here arent you
wind pilot
For people who don’t really like playing with discord after R6A1 quite a few amt of people in every lobby is new
So it was a clusterfuck for them with sometimes getting someone to guide them
So after A1 they might just leave the game cause they don’t really know how to play
With R1 since its way easier(for now) it probably would have let them have a feel for the game and learn how to play
wind pilot
I truly hope R1’s difficulty stays the same
mortal granite
at the end of the day, when r8 release, you'll get at least 70 levels to play
wind pilot
Cause its the best rundown for new players rn
robust marsh
there not going to change the difficulty after release
nocturne flax
r1 its the first campaign chapter so its normal for it to be this way
it would ease them in to r2 just fine
wind pilot
Since r2-r6 is p much just reworking they might be able to get modders for help with lvls etc?
nocturne flax
specially with the weaponry and stuff
wind pilot
r1 its the first campaign chapter so its normal for it to be this way
Yeah ofc
Just saying if we had R1 when gtfo 1.0 released we would probably have more players by now
nocturne flax
ah yeah
thats how ideas are born and die
you do something for some time, then when its not working you just adapt
its the reason they change their stance
but it was nice to see something different during EA
robust marsh
so you mean there not going to drop rundowns every 7 months? noice
wind pilot
Yep, if they rework r2 to r3 is progressively become more and more difficult that’d be nice
As long as they don’t lock a lot of stuff by having to complete all expeditions in a rundown it’ll let new or returning players not feel overwhelmed by feeling need to have to do everything and do the newer rundowns as well
R1-r2 should take max 1h except last expedition tbh
Wdyt?
nocturne flax
As long as they don’t lock a lot of stuff by having to complete all expeditions ...
since rundowns are campaigns now and they dont go away theres quite literally no pressure on finishing the "new old stuff"
nocturne flax
R1-r2 should take max 1h except last expedition tbh
completion time its base on a lot of factors
wind pilot
Yeah just “generally” around an hour
Could they get modders to help rework some rundowns though?
Since its not really adding new things
nocturne flax
why would they
wind pilot
Idk a bit more manpower
nocturne flax
they have manpower
they just release r1 alt
rushing releases wont get you to r8 closer
specially since still in development
wind pilot
How long did it took them to develop r1 alt tho?
mortal granite
How long did it took them to develop r1 alt tho?
we don't really know exactly
robust marsh
it took them 8 months to release a modded fix for a game breaking bug
nocturne flax
like a month or two since they announce they change their stance and such
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hopefully we get r2 in like 3 weeks
mortal granite
we could just wait 1 or 2 months
robust marsh
i mean its already out with twists sooooooo
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acceptable
robust marsh
hopefully its faster
wind pilot
Captain would u say R7C3 PE has the same spirit as R6C3 PE(+melee only)
robust marsh
if its more than 1 month
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i forgot, did they release new weapons in r2?
nocturne flax
it took them 8 months to release a modded fix for a game breaking bug
its just like cyberpunk, you cold fix half the game in 2 years and make it completly functional but as long as the modding people fix 1 thing you can take the prize home
robust marsh
if its more than 1 month
it means most devs are making the new game
mortal granite
Captain would u say R7C3 PE has the same spirit as R6C3 PE(+melee only)
i would say yes
robust marsh
i forgot, did they release new weapons in r2?
the machine pistol
mortal granite
its just like cyberpunk, you cold fix half the game in 2 years and make it compl...
damn, they fixed this z-fighting pixel
wind pilot
Carbine+Arbalast MG is such a good combo vs chargers
mortal granite
game is saved
wind pilot
Carbine+Arbalast MG is such a good combo vs chargers
Tell me something even better
wind pilot
carbine + carabine
You got me
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Tell me something even better
double combat shotgun
robust marsh
its just like cyberpunk, you cold fix half the game in 2 years and make it compl...
true but cyberpunk was a single player game not a co-op multiplayer game that punishes you heavily if you mess up (for new players at least)
when the modded patch came in not alot of bug fixes were implemented with it
so can't even say they waited for most bugs to be fixed
than release it
wind pilot
Double sg with bio tracker, Main dmg when close, and 2 protec+ mods is basically your typical tank build
robust marsh
R7 release had alot of bug fixes yes
wind pilot
Choke mod sg can kill some mid range enemies
nocturne flax
true but cyberpunk was a single player game not a co-op multiplayer game that pu...
it doesnt matter since the concept still the same,
you can have the developer fix a bunch of stuff in the game
but as long a 1 thing gets fix and give it enough attention suddenly "modding save the game"
wind pilot
As long as the bug isn’t game breaking and soft locks u its already good tbh
nocturne flax
only noteworthy things that ums fix was biotracker ping back in r4 and maybe sniper melee