Just associate the gun to the rundowns you want them in. Like this people can experiment. And you can prevent a global meta to occur
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
fallow wasp
hel rifle time
though hel gun is more efficient, I like the big punch of being able to slaughter chargers in a single shot
not a single shit
half hornet
Fine by me
I don't use burst weapons to cancel them
I switch to semis if I want that
obtuse cedar
The reason it was good is because 1 bullet dealt 20 dmg... Which kill a striker.. burst lf 5 so it shreds every tanky enemies. And you could cancel mid burst
half hornet
Yeah yeah heard all about that. Sounds broken as shit.
obtuse cedar
And a vlip is 20 bullet.. so you can solo kill an entire wave
half hornet
Which makes me ask: what was the developer plan for it? Giant remover? Lazy man's sniper rifle?
obtuse cedar
And it was 2 shot per clip
half hornet
coughs in cringe
obtuse cedar
So it was just a better weapon than sniper
Sniper left giant with 0.1 hp
Kinda funny
half hornet
Omagalul
obtuse cedar
That's why they buffed dmg slightly in r5
half hornet
Is that why all weapons now deal 10.1
atomic escarp
rounding error moment
and burst cannon will honestly not be that good anymore except speedkilling mini bosses or solo bursting blood doors if you don't have mines
it's way too overkill now full bursting stuff
you essentially can only shoot 4 times per refill
tough totem
so better than sniper?
atomic escarp
more or less scattergun 2.0
tough totem
W gun
obtuse cedar
so better than sniper?
it doesn't one shot giants
obtuse cedar
6 bullets kills a giant from the front. it's a 5 burst weapon 🙂 you are force to switch weapon for dmg.
obtuse cedar
but just walk around it for that back damage
good luck when it's a wave in front of you
hexed vapor
but just walk around it for that back damage
If you're in a situation where you can get back damage, you don't need any specific weapon to kill giants. Titan killers are specifically for more intense situations.
tough totem
6 bullets kills a giant from the front. it's a 5 burst weapon 🙂 you are force t...
oh in that case burst it and shoot it once with main
obtuse cedar
that's not how it works
it will still have 20 hp
so you need to kill it like a striker but you have no head left for precision dmg most likely
so it depends on your primary base dmg after that
obtuse cedar
the head will still explode because the recoil will blow the top part of the torso including the head but no head multi
tough totem
I mean
just don't hit upper body
go for the crotch shot
cos like, recoil control exists for any gun, aside from ads rng
half hornet
Approach
Spray main body mass
Switch to primary
Aim head
I'll agree though, thats too much work when sniper rifle exists.
obtuse cedar
like i said. the head doesn't exist after 1 burst
half hornet
Then again I'm not that good at landing headshots...
So for a casual like me sound like a perfect weapon
obtuse cedar
it would just be a shittier sniper
tough totem
I'll agree though, thats too much work when sniper rifle exists.
I mean it's more work but also more ammo conservation
half hornet
"you had me at "aim for main mass""
obtuse cedar
it would gain some crowd control potential
tough totem
what if you just like pull down really hard, firing at head for the first one or 2 then hitting body for the rest?
obtuse cedar
but overall you will have to balance ammo a lot often
half hornet
Me just like burst dakka
tough totem
run dem calculations
also devs might just change the gun dmg entirely making it better or worse soo
obtuse cedar
The gun will never be as good as what it was before
Which is funny cause a lot of the good guns back then are getting nerf even to this day... But the shit weapons are buffed so much that they are overshadowing the ones being nerfed
And then you have the weapons people memed was shit when it was good and they buffed it to hell :)
tough totem
sounds like shotgun variants to me
obtuse cedar
R1-r3 shotguns were the better specials
Now they are ok and on the same level as other guns... But never excel at something cause lack of range hurt... And when they have range they suffer from very low clip
tough totem
more recent shotguns feel like memes
obtuse cedar
They are really good in the good situations
The normal shotgun is the only shotgun that still hold its own in every situation
tough totem
ig I don't have too much say in how effective shotguns are
don't use them too often
I used scattergun pre-nerf, then used sawed off and scatter for meme runs
half hornet
Choker 2nd best special after lmg, pumpy is a melee with ammo
That pretty much sums it up
obtuse cedar
Chokemod is pretty bad lmao
It has range but cannot hold its own in 90% situations. The clip is too low
Pump shotgun is king of shotguns
half hornet
I would argue the opposite
The relative tightness of the choker makes it the laziest special gun yet
Ads is pretty much rudementary on it. You just point it at a target and win.
obtuse cedar
You delete 4 enemies with it max. That is if you actually one shot them
You know what else delete 4 enemies? Every primary guns
And most get more kills
If yoh want a delete special that is better? Hcp it does the same thing as chokemod... But has 2 more bullet in the clip
Sure it has less range but they have the same jobs
half hornet
That much I know
But choker is just lazy
You just hip fire point it at main body mass
HCP requires quickscoping to do that, especially since its' hip fire is twice less accurace than chokers
Basically choker requires less maintanance and consideration across the board.
obtuse cedar
You have worst result overall. It being lazy does not make it the best weapon.
half hornet
Deletes smalls, amazing against giants.
Can fire as quick as you can slam the trigger.
With mag size being literally the only downside.
half hornet
Taste depedandant I suppose. I can imagine wanting a weapon that is easy to use against a weapon that can delete waves but requires 50% extra effort (like HCP)
obtuse cedar
Right clicking is too much effort now lol
You still aim your cursor at an enemy with hip fire you know
You have more then one finger. Use them
olive shoal
youre asking a lot
atomic escarp
when people cannot comprehend how good r4 burst cannon was
these takes are so godawful
obtuse cedar
People don't seem to understand how to apply the weapons in pratical ways/situations or they just don't think.
tough totem
when people cannot comprehend how good r4 burst cannon was
you weren't in the discord for R4?
atomic escarp
guys just get back dmg
tough totem
ohh wait it's an alt mbmb
atomic escarp
guys let me just get back dmg while a wave is coming
tough totem
People don't seem to understand how to apply the weapons in pratical ways/situat...
real, I haven't used my brain in games for years
atomic escarp
or there's a s1 scan
obtuse cedar
I said earlier. You can have access to all the old rundowns still... Doesn't matter if you joined in r7
Now i cannot tell you the how to do it because rules
atomic escarp
the mindset of r6 and r7 players cannot cope with older rundowns mr sgx
obtuse cedar
Argument disqualified.
But the rule only apply to this discord
atomic escarp
there's simply not enough pressure or intensity from r6 and 7 compared to older ones
tough totem
real
atomic escarp
so their playstyles and way of thinking simply cannot be applicable that well in older rundowns
aka they're a pub
tough totem
the excessive ammo and resources given in general give the game a low-pressure feel
olive shoal
surely rundown 8 will be different
tough totem
constantly being fed resources now meanwhile in earlier rundowns something beyond 2 uses was a blessing
tough totem
surely rundown 8 will be different
I'm doubtful, the recent buff to guns and nerfs to melee kinda imply that there's gonna be more "high intensity" gun play
half hornet
Imho that's not a good thing
atomic escarp
like man said just burst cannon body and head
when he doesn't even know that the precision multi for bc is like
0.74 iirc
so
obtuse cedar
lol so the same as revolver
tough totem
I wasn't looking at the wiki I'm on my phone
and idk why you turned on my I was literally agreeing with you for once
atomic escarp
you could just not look at my msgs
i'm still blocked right?
it's a user choice to look at it
tough totem
you're part of the convo tho, kinda blunt to ignore 1 of the 3 people taking in the chat
atomic escarp
also corpses still body blocks bullets for a tad bit as both host and clients
so you almost always cannot perfectly 5 burst 5 sleepers
bc is gonna pretty weak if it comes back but i'm still bringing it because it's the best pmom killer for r4
and bbc killer
they should free up all the weapons for every rundown honestly
would be funny seeing 4 hel rifles for r4e1
silent kettle
choke mod godawful
atomic escarp
because people kept praising it as best special back in r5
then they die in c2 ovl
obtuse cedar
because people kept praising it as best special back in r5
The meme special shotgun
atomic escarp
but then when i have sniper
atomic escarp
everything dies in 3 seconds
i have a weird choke mod rebalance/remake proposal myself
and it can actually differentiate it between other 30 dmg specials but idk how it would turn out
obtuse cedar
R5 was hel gun and sniper fighting for the best weapon spot.
atomic escarp
r5 sniper rundown
god damn that gun slaps in r5
almost essential for every c to e tier
obtuse cedar
That is where the trend of sniper started. Gotta have at least one sniper per team
Casual pub stuck in a-b tier only used sniper for scout so i leave them out of that
atomic escarp
man i wish sniper would peak again
atomic escarp
people still don't get it because there's not enough situations where it truly shines in r7
talking mainly about r5, because it was 3.6 per refill not r6 where it's 6 per refill
r6 sniper was basically a brainless choice
amber skiff
R5/R7 sniper is the best iteration, r6 sniper was made op for the sake of it lmao
amber skiff
True lmao, using any other weapon would take forever
atomic escarp
shooter but 1k times the hp
amber skiff
Simply due to damage falloff
atomic escarp
you don't like every other gun except sniper doing like
sub 30 dmg on a 1.2k hp tumor?
amber skiff
What would have been cool is if it had tentacle slam attacks that could one shot but open up a closer weakspot to melee or shoot at
But instead its a somewhat bullet hell boss, really cool in concept but a bit boring imo
atomic escarp
reactor skip made it interesting to fight at least, cuz your hp is actually in shambles
amber skiff
Tru
half hornet
But instead its a somewhat bullet hell boss, really cool in concept but a bit bo...
Inferior dead space 1 boss
Who then became a mini boss in dead space 3...
But hey, at least there were lots of very cool cutscenes
wink wink
obtuse surge
the head will still explode because the recoil will blow the top part of the tor...
are u sure
obtuse cedar
go on wesley. go test it. you clearly have more free time then i do
obtuse surge
i have
obtuse cedar
if you aim center mass the head will blow off
obtuse surge
devs make a little mistake when they tried to remove head properly
the head blows off but the hitbox stays
it's only if its an actual headshot that they remove the head hitbox
if you see a dude with the shoulder&head blown off
you can still aim for the head
im not 100% sure that you get the precision multi still
but likely
obtuse cedar
go test it
obtuse surge
well i asked are u sure because maybe you knew for sure
atomic escarp
hop on r7c1
obtuse cedar
i don't shoot at stuff that don't exist. the head got blown off i won't shoot at that spot
it's basic sense to any player
half hornet
Expleen
obtuse cedar
ok grandpa. and i'm pretty sure they fixed that 🙂
obtuse surge
they fixed it exactly like you expect them to fix things xddd
will test for the multi
obtuse cedar
where the dmg multi doesn't apply
obtuse surge
i also think the head hitbox cant be removed anymore
after shoulder hit
yes
you can keep hitting the head
silent kettle
wait shadow do u not recoil control the burst
obtuse surge
and keep getting the multi
silent kettle
my giants always have the head
obtuse surge
so technically there can be scenarios where its optimal for you to abuse this by intentionally shooting off the shoulder
so you can then continuously get headshots until the target dies
obtuse cedar
put it in the hand of pub. they will not have a head guaranteed jool. and after that no head, no shooting at the head part
silent kettle
ic
nocturne flax
so technically there can be scenarios where its optimal for you to abuse this by...
You really aint got nkthing to do but trying to bring old bugs back
Just shoot them like you use too
Waaay fun
Hope we can find a way to duplicate cells
So in the remake of r2d1 we can just dupe and fuck off
the true r2d1 experience
obtuse surge
you can with checkpoints
atomic escarp
i know it's hard to read it
yep you got there
prisma ibex
only posting this here cuz #gtfo-chat doesnt have image posting on
its an old screenshot but idk why this bug happens
deft kiln
FUILD ORD
open pier
oh that's entirely different, what
deft kiln
it has to do with the blood
open pier
the one I saw towards launch was just a white blob
prisma ibex
its happened in different shapes
with different ways of fucking up the screen
honestly it almost looks too "intentional" to be a bug
open pier
If it's a bug on the blood effects, it makes sense
prisma ibex
not too sure if its related to blood going on your screen
its happened out of nowhere when there wasnt even combat
would straight up pop into existence for no fucking reason
subtle vault
The call of duty raspberry jelly on the screen
open pier
Isn't there a bit of water on your mask when you first exit the pod?
Or is that only in the intro
prisma ibex
i cant even think of a cause for it happening
cuz it just comes when it wants to
and rarely anyone has seen this happen
idk if its a problem with my game specifically or what
prisma ibex
looks to be
but why it happens randomly is beyond me
subtle vault
Idk
prisma ibex
i had a heart attack when it happened for the first time thinking it was my computer committing suicide
but nope my game had to do some trolling
subtle vault
It’s been here since R2
prisma ibex
christ
prisma ibex
i too wish there was an off button for bugs
subtle vault
I’ve had a lot of wipes happen because of too much blood on my screen
prisma ibex
killing a lot of babies in a cheese spot really gets your mask all bloody
prisma ibex
its a cool concept but theres seemingly no limit of how much blood can get on your screen
which can be an issue for balancing reason if you're just bashing heads left and right
tho tbf you dont end up in situations like that very often
but yeah
subtle vault
Some qol improvements are still buggy or unfinished. Revive animation still bugged, weapons still missing equipping animations, ect
prisma ibex
downed teammates are funny sometimes
they will be standing doing a t pose instead of on the ground
subtle vault
That too
prisma ibex
and also if u go down while walking your legs will still be walking on your screen
yep
im walking in place while im laying on the fucking ground
totally not immersion breaking at all
subtle vault
Bugs, bugs everywhere
Half of them will probably be patched in the next update and new ones will emerge
Just a never ending cycle
prisma ibex
gtfo: get the fixes out
subtle vault
Yep
I miss the old look of the game
I say it a lot, but it just had that sense of hopelessness
The place holder weapons, the old playermodels
The old hud
prisma ibex
i really liked the 2017 version's hud
subtle vault
Apparently play testers said it was to much
prisma ibex
bru
subtle vault
Yeah
prisma ibex
💀
subtle vault
And everything else was mostly placeholder
Tbh I kinda of preferred the OG character outfits. The character customization can be too much at times
prisma ibex
i dont really know how the old character designs looked in the 2017
was too dark to get a clear look
subtle vault
Nothing to special
prisma ibex
tho i think their current designs are nice
but you only really see them when u play with bots
but something bothers me about it
subtle vault
?
prisma ibex
the bots dont wear the masks that are assigned to the characters
like
you can get woods', dauda's, hackett's and bishop's masks ingame but the bots of them dont wear it for some reason
prisma ibex
it doesnt me that much cuz they're literally just recolors
only masks you can get a very clear difference on are wood's and hackett's
dauda and bishop's you cant tell that much without getting a close up
prisma ibex
r7 has cosmetics you can't even unlock yet
probably for r8
prisma ibex
they should add a skirt and thigh highs as a cosmetic
subtle vault
👀
prisma ibex
i already suggested it
idc how much downvotes it gets they should add it
open pier
Okay, but you can't go saying that without saying who would be the most likely to wear it.
prisma ibex
people who have taste would wear it
open pier
nah I'm talking out of the four characters
open pier
I was really hoping you wouldn't say that lmao
Because I'm always the Hackett of the group..
prisma ibex
my brother in christ you put your hope in the wrong person
open pier
clearly
prisma ibex
you could put something else in me tho 😳
open pier
Lad, it'll take you a lot more than some comments to get you that far
prisma ibex
it was worth a shot
open pier
yes, I like PAIN
please
agive
ime
nmeds
I also tend to have disinfects but that's reserved for someone else
someone who enjoys the forbidden kool-aid
prisma ibex
oh noooo
open pier
sip the disinfection juice
prisma ibex
no
open pier
I bet it's bitter*
prisma ibex
not thirsty
prisma ibex
nope
open pier
simply built different
prisma ibex
built incorrectly
mellow creek
wen r69
prisma ibex
tough totem
so real
prisma ibex
every
fucking
day
you guys say the same thing
im starting to think 10c asked people to keep begging for r8 so they dont forget that they need to work on it
atomic escarp
possibly 🤔
mortal portal
When is Rundown 8?
atomic escarp
xmas
mortal portal
atomic escarp
Very mean
tough totem
v hungry
atomic escarp
How bout some churros
tough totem
feasted
prisma ibex
ive never had churros
atomic escarp
Churros are the best
obtuse surge
mid
open arrow
Everyone talking when r8 I’m out here asking when orange glow sticks
idle nacelle
ok D1 is cursed af
drowsy juniper
Anyone got a picture of those ape skulls from the old rundowns?
prisma ibex
nope
obtuse surge
idle nacelle
@rough lance IT GOT UNSTUCK
nvm it got stuck again
why is D1 so cursed, we just kinda facerolled through it and almost survived but the neonate decided to go orbital
twin dirge
I'm going to complain about when R9 is coming out soon as R8 releases
broken scarab
I'm going to complain about when R9 is coming out soon as R8 releases
Ofc
stable pivot
We were told that we'd have news "soon". A month isn't "soon"...
Where's our promised dev transparency?
broken scarab
It's sooner now than it was then.
Transparency also comes with the risk of this. I was trying to be transparent about news coming, but things change
mortal granite
the news got delayed
sharp merlin
broken scarab
could have told us news isnt coming soon
True
twin dirge
yeah again Minecraft got burned hard for attempting more transparency
tough totem
I feel like even an update of "we don't have any new we can release yet" is still something to consider
its lackluster, but radio silence is too
broken scarab
Damned if you do, damned if you don't 🙂
half hornet
Warframe's digital extremes seem to have somewhat perfect this with devstreams every 2-3 weeks where they talk about whats currently being considered and sharing concept arts and WIP models / animations, etc.
The community can clearly see what theyre working on even if the updates some like 2 months later.
Although it also tends to backfire when they show something and then scrap it.
Conventional 21st century weapons were scrapped mid-stream, lmao.
keen rampart
Where's our promised dev transparency?
Just give it up... they never tryed something in this direction, and they never will.
tough totem
real
tough totem
Although it also tends to backfire when they show something and then scrap it.
I don't really see the scrapping to be an issue tho. it makes the release still somewhat fresh even for people that tune in to every stream
also it's just a huge improvement event from what 10cc is doing now
which is... nothing at all?
half hornet
Well, we should consider that GTFO is radically different game and 10cc really value their spoilers.
keen rampart
which is... nothing at all?
That is exactly the amount of transparency we have...
half hornet
When Calle leaks map screenshot he usually leaks some undescernable random corner.
twin dirge
next rundown (jk)
tough totem
I mean I know I can't get the work of 100 people done in the time they do
mortal granite
"concept art isn't a commitment"
we know there are 90 devs, but we don't know who's doing what
tough totem
85 doing new heist game?
keen rampart
I mean I know I can't get the work of 100 people done in the time they do
But actually some modders can do this... as we see in the modding scene
mortal granite
well, rundown can be done with 1 people (modder approved)
tough totem
yeah but in terms of me I can't speak for that
mortal granite
so basically, they can just shove the rundown for 10 people, and the other working on new game
tough totem
majoring in game dev. rn, I'll see just how hard and time consuming it is I'm sure
mortal granite
here's a view for game dev right
some working on new tiles
some working on new enemy
some working on the "Back to the future" mechanic
and some working on new level for new rundown
so IF 10 people are working on those, it's going to take a while
keen rampart
some working on new enemy
Ok... r7 which new enemy? Pls there are no new ones. Immortal is no new enemy
mortal granite
Ok... r7 which new enemy? Pls there are no new ones. Immortal is no new enemy
snatcher
tough totem
dog
mental saddle
it's in your tag my guy
tough totem
even though it has tons of bugs
mortal granite
unless we just magically shit out an enemy model
tough totem
technically new enemy
keen rampart
Okay i agree with that. Right
keen rampart
But still 3-4Months for like 1-3 devs for 1 enemy?
mortal granite
and you know, if you do a bad job people would criticize the game real much
like we do for months now?
official stuff need to be at least functional or else people riot
for modder, we could just say: "haha, random striker that have bigger arm"
tough totem
for modder, we could just say: "haha, random striker that have bigger arm"
tbh still better than what they did with the immortal
mortal granite
tbh still better than what they did with the immortal
it's the same
we just criticize the devs a lot more than modder
since 1 is for free and the other is official
tough totem
it's the same
don't the devs also purposefully make it hard to mod?
or is that not how it is anymore
mortal granite
yes and no
tough totem
elaborate?
mortal granite
but it's like the same for a while
it's harder, but people can just decompile in like a few days
mental saddle
from what I've heard it's just a lot of working around systems to get modding functional
mortal granite
you added new content, new content mess modder up a bit, modder fix their stuff
boom
mortal granite
at least the game is still moddable
mental saddle
we just criticize the devs a lot more than modder
big agree on that end, since modders do it as a hobby, and this is an actual job for devs
mortal granite
other game just sue your ass
twin dirge
imagine GTFO but it's online only so no one can mod 😭
mortal granite
phasmo dev change their eula to sue your ass if you mod their game
back 4 blood just release a new patch that stop modder
tough totem
ok but this isn't really abt phasmo or b4b
if I wanted to be salty abt them I'd do it in the respective servers
although I do see the examples
stating the worst doesn't automatically make 10cc bettwr
half hornet
Well, they are better in comparison of course.
keen rampart
for modder, we could just say: "haha, random striker that have bigger arm"
Wrong.... there are good new enemys in modded.. emp, another Version of shadows and more.
tough totem
Well, they are better in comparison of course.
in comparison yeah
100 is big compared to 1
but 100 is little compared 100,000
I think a good example I could use is hunt: showdowns devs
they're clear on their thoughts throughout changes, are accepting of feedback, and are clear on what they're working on even if they don't exactly say what it is
even if the game runs on terrible servers and a weird engine
keen rampart
official stuff need to be at least functional or else people riot
Okay tell me stable features that was implemented in the game?
tough totem
lmao that's true
keen rampart
Snatcher,Checkpoints,Teleportations,Bots and so on have and had so many Bugs at release... so dont tell me they add "stable" Features
nocturne flax
even if the game runs on terrible servers and a weird engine
crytek engine its weird?
half hornet
Hopefully now that they don't have to basically make new game each time they can focus on polishing mechanic that are already there.
tough totem
crytek engine its weird?
I just don't like the games player physics
it might not even be an engine thing
nocturne flax
Hopefully now that they don't have to basically make new game each time they can...
shotout to that one 10cc employee saying it was dumb to remove work that they spend 6 month working on
nocturne flax
it might not even be an engine thing
thats 100% not an engine thing
twin dirge
checkpoints are incredibly buggy and the devs don't know why 
nocturne flax
they know
half hornet
Game states
nocturne flax
its just shit to fix most likely
half hornet
100%
nocturne flax
and also they overcomplicated themselves for no reason
half hornet
Their game is too fat to just save current game state and reload it without losing data
nocturne flax
"we gotta remember if the door its half way open or fully open" my brother in christ you made the door open by itself
you gave yourself work
twin dirge
oh no
half hornet
Okay, let's think about this.
If we make the door fully open upon reloading - that once again makes checkpoints the superior tactic because you can save time on a door that's already open.
If we make it be closed from start each time and require another lever pull, that will make reloading extra annoying.
Extra points if there's a horde on your ass.
Which one do we prefer?
nocturne flax
the ladder
half hornet
I vote for closed.
Also they should stop state saving everything post door and just reload all of that.
I get tired stabbing same scout in the same place for 4th time.
mortal granite
Okay tell me stable features that was implemented in the game?
functional
mortal granite
Wrong.... there are good new enemys in modded.. emp, another Version of shadows ...
ye, but if the devs add another version of shadow, people would just start criticizing again. Emp is nice but i didn't play that rundown
nocturne flax
correct me if im wrong but i do believe emp its datamined so
mortal granite
most of it was datamined
nocturne flax
so its not even a modding thing i think kekw
mortal granite
there will be some feature that the modder make that i didn't know but, most of the enemy you said was datamined
so if you're praising the modder, but the modder work is from the devs work...
like Artek said, devs usually scrap a lot of thing
usually either not fully function yet or it doesn't really fit the game
or some of them well, completely break the game balance if there is any
keen rampart
ye, but if the devs add another version of shadow, people would just start criti...
You mean like the immortal... charger scout... Big Flyer.... all are nothing "new"only the snatcher is a good one
keen rampart
So....? Why no new better Version of a shadow... nobody would complain
atomic escarp
didn't people complain about crawling shadows
mortal granite
what is "better" shadow
atomic escarp
in r1
nocturne flax
Damn its like theres a lore and not just adding variants for the sake of it
atomic escarp
or why was it removed
nocturne flax
didn't people complain about crawling shadows
tbh they are kind of annoying
mortal granite
because devs bad
anyway, they could add random weird shitpost enemy/variants
heck, let's add 150 new variants
nocturne flax
or why was it removed
most likely due to the fact that they'are already invisible
kekw
crawlers are already borderline invisible when your focusing something else
so having crawler shadows would be more annoying that nothing
keen rampart
what is "better" shadow
In modded there is a rundown (i would have to look) that only get visible if you are very close to them First example. Even a "shadow" that would get visible if they are in the light would be cool... but this is just a suggestion. Back to the topic... IF there are Multiple devs in just making new enemys they are doing in comparison to People that do this as Hobby a much worse Job.
mortal granite
well, like i said before, people don't really criticize modder than devs
if it's official, you'll get more heat
for mod, you can add shitpost enemy for shit and giggle
nocturne flax
In modded there is a rundown (i would have to look) that only get visible if you...
so it defeated the purpose of the shadow then
kekw
mortal granite
modded content is really great for testing purposes
prisma ibex
remove shadows they're gay
twin dirge
shadows succ you without you knowing
nocturne flax
if i dont need my flashlight to see him then it defeats their entire purpose kekw
mortal granite
buff bots next patch please
suc
mental saddle
high impact consensual shadow succ gameplay
keen rampart
so it defeated the purpose of the shadow then
Nope not really...
mortal granite
why do you need to be close to saw them when bio exist
or did they just remove bio ability to spot shadow to "balance" it out
keen rampart
if i dont need my flashlight to see him then it defeats their entire purpose kek...
That is the reason why you HAVE to look with your flashlight on them that they get visible....
prisma ibex
i kinda wish pings on shadows didnt fade away so fast
prisma ibex
disagree
twin dirge
why do you need to be close to saw them when bio exist
if your team doesn't do 4 Bio Scan then I'm not talking
nocturne flax
That is the reason why you HAVE to look with your flashlight on them that they g...
but you said they get visible when they get close?
prisma ibex
im a bio tracker addict, i NEED to see everything in sight
keen rampart
or did they just remove bio ability to spot shadow to "balance" it out
Idk... its like 5 months i Played that rundown
mortal granite
if your team doesn't do 4 Bio Scan then I'm not talking <:PirateSimon:6218175143...
if you're not shooting your teammate on extraction scan, imma shoot you
nocturne flax
whats the point of using the torch if thye already visible to you
twin dirge
fog + dark + 2 snatcher bug spawn
mortal granite
i like 2 snatcher
prisma ibex
i hate snatchers
mortal granite
E1 should spawn 3 snatchers instead of 1 per trigger
prisma ibex
no
twin dirge
the amount of E1 lobbies would be crazy
twin dirge
😳
prisma ibex
d1 is my least favorite mostly because of snatchers
e1 would be awful if that were the case
mortal granite
it should be 0.1% successful rate
mortal granite
d1 is my least favorite mostly because of snatchers
e1 would be awful if that we...
i like D1, i played it the most
i hate the player tho
keen rampart
it should be
I remember r2e1 or r4e1... that was a time.
mortal granite
see, even magprime agree
mortal granite
jump into a lake now
i don't have one
keen rampart
What do you mean "even me"... 😂
prisma ibex
i don't have one
thats not an excuse
mortal granite
time for pill
mortal granite
no
broken scarab
Conventional 21st century weapons were scrapped mid-stream, lmao.
Ouch!
obtuse cedar
Wrong.... there are good new enemys in modded.. emp, another Version of shadows ...
Your emp scout variant? Lol they just took a hybrid model and madenit a scout. But they gave it hp to a point where you need 2 hit to the back of the head. "Fun". Also they couldnt figure out how to make their emp go off during their wake up scream so instead they gave it another INVINCIBLE animation leading to situations where they are often invincible. "Fun".
As for their small variant they put their hand in their head to a point where it clip in their head and the game can register arm hit instead of head hit. Totally well thought out and on a different level of polish official stuff.... Right....
And i didnt even touch the balancing issues it brings to guns were it basically doesn't affect iron sight weapons. Or the hud itself dissapearing.
Neat concept but you clearly did not think about what stuff it brings to the table.
robust marsh
for modder, we could just say: "haha, random striker that have bigger arm"
bioclass 4 withered striker and bleeders wants to know your location
candid dragon
class 1 bioscan but it spawns a sleeper that screams continuously in a cocoon room
obtuse cedar
That just sounds like an annoyance more then anything...
You will need to backtrack just to kill it
tough totem
does carrying cells across the map not sound like an annoyance?
obtuse cedar
It is
robust marsh
does carrying cells across the map not sound like an annoyance?
it is
obtuse cedar
But the design of the level clearly light up the correct way to go reach the cells first
tough totem
still gotta carry it across the map tho
obtuse cedar
People just don't pay attention to it
obtuse cedar
C2pe is to punish you if you are slow
tough totem
no but like optional
obtuse cedar
Still to punish you
obtuse cedar
Lnao ok the cheese way
tough totem
cheese way?
obtuse cedar
Do it during the error alarm one
tough totem
no
obtuse cedar
Fog rise a lot slower
obtuse cedar
Oh no 6 crawlers that get killed by the sniper sentry when they climb a ladder. What will we do
obtuse cedar
You have 2 sentries
obtuse cedar
There is a sentry spot that alone kills all the flyers
tough totem
ok
meta gamer
"actually this position is way more efficient because it sees them all for 3 more frames"🤓
obtuse cedar
Wven then you have ammo. And the sniper sentry shooting toward ladder still shoot flyers
tough totem
ok but pubs is a nightmare
no way pubs positions stuff right, quickly, and are coordinated
obtuse cedar
I did it with pubs multiple time. Just communicate better
Also that spot for sniper sentry i learned it in pubs lol
tough totem
I've also done it multiple times in pubs
robust marsh
damn is this what somebody feels when watching me and SGX argue
i feel bad for everyone
tough totem
i feel bad for everyone
lol real
I love when people can't admit another strategy works
see it all the time
I'm sure you can do it on error
obtuse cedar
People are blaming things instead of thinking a little. Always easier to run away from the problems am i right -_-
tough totem
I just find clearing that area without 6 enemies a minute is easier for the team
obtuse cedar
It is a joke yes.
robust marsh
imagine not just using checkpoint bug and calling it aday
tough totem
can you highlight it for me?
obtuse cedar
The point where you think that using 5-6 cells ti do ocerload is still a challenge :)
obtuse cedar
It's overload. Not a walk in the park. Might as well just pull it and run at the cheese spot while you are at it
But again. You learn some funny things in pubs. Like the sniper sentry that solo hold flyers.
tough totem
It's overload. Not a walk in the park. Might as well just pull it and run at the...
lol love the assumptions
well have fun with your runs ig
obtuse cedar
And other times you learn that your team is worthless in the first 5 min
robust marsh
And other times you learn that your team is worthless in the first 5 min
sometimes most of the time you just have to micro manage the shit out of them
i have once again killed the chat
go me
🙂
tough totem
nah I just don't wanna talk abt it anymore
obtuse cedar
sometimes most of the time you just have to micro manage the shit out of them
Not even. But it is true that the funny pubs that try to micromanage team are funny
They often are the biggest raging person in that team
robust marsh
yeah
obtuse cedar
So it is fun to just mess with them and not listen to them and seeing them meltdown to realise by end end that they are still swimming in resources and they don't understand why
keen rampart
@obtuse cedar first of all it was no scout... it was a Mix between Mother and charger...
robust marsh
oh no... WHERE IS MY POPCORN
robust marsh
i mean we do have becky the immortal emp
obtuse cedar
But for the scout one. It has major flaws but when used in some situation could be interesting.
obtuse cedar
The scout is like 45sec-1 min (idk the exact time) of emp
robust marsh
what kind of emp does it have?
cause the one i know turns off everything
your hud your crosshair the lights in 2 rooms
and hp counter
and your weapons sight expect for iron sight
for like 1 min
obtuse cedar
During that time. No light in radius of that scream. Which can hit 3-4 small rooms.
Hi-tech sights on weapons are disable, hud is disable, no flashlight
Pretty sire they use the same emp
robust marsh
most likely
obtuse cedar
Emp use itself is kinda whatever. But if it is used in some situation it can pretty interesting
Combine it with a blood door and you have a funny door :)
Make it so it disable mines and extra hilarity
obtuse cedar
Hqrd to disable foam on the floor with it making sense
tough totem
only light produced is from gunfire
tough totem
Hqrd to disable foam on the floor with it making sense
I mean disable cfoam distribution
the cfoam itself isn't electrified so it'd still be the goofy foam it is
but the dispenser has electronics included so idk if it'd work
obtuse cedar
The cfoam looks more mechanical based
Launcher*
Unless it creates the cfoam solution inside the launcher itself
tough totem
I don't really know
obtuse cedar
Cfoam itself looks to be a type of solution that when it comes in contact with air. It expand and become the cfoam
tough totem
it could be either
obtuse cedar
Else how can wenexplain the grenade
tough totem
the electronics make it seem electric but also fire extinguishers don't need any charge sooo
obtuse cedar
It could be a mechanical setup inside that fill a small container and then when the trigger is release that small container is reduced pushing the solution outside
So it wouldn't need electronics
tough totem
maybe
I'm not a construction worker or anything so I'm not super sure on how like wall filliment and all that works
cfoam might be a mechanical thing
obtuse cedar
It can be similar to a gun. Like the gun is mechanical. There is a chamber for the bullet and it pretty much get pushed out.
Now cfoam wouldnt be the exact same way but there could be a container for the cfoam solution. It gets reduced pushing the solution out of the launcher. The solution enter in contact with air and expand to what it is seen by players
obtuse cedar
The launcher does shake when you charge jt
tough totem
oh mb
I don't normally rock foam
leave it to the responsible people
oop my other comment crashed my discord
obtuse cedar
"responsible people"
Also them : haha coom launcher funny
tough totem
"responsible people"
Also them : haha coom launcher funny
yeah I kinda said that but there was a bot message I think, then discord closed itself before I could read it
stoner?
no
not that word
it was coom
but spelt normally
I think
obtuse cedar
Skill issue :)
open pier
I used C-foam like, once. Every other time I've been mines or biotracker.
tough totem
I'm mines bc I don't trust a lot of pubs w it :)
obtuse cedar
Learn to be more versatile by using every tools. You can fit every tool role needed. Like this you are able to be flexible for every level
open pier
Really? I feel like mines are one of those things that are quick to understand.
strange junco
not for everyone
open pier
Although I suppose bio's probably the easiest to use at a basic level
obtuse cedar
You would be surprise
open pier
I have never ventured into pubs before because I've reserved most of my playtime to playing with my 4-stack
strange junco
you'll find all sorts of anomalies in pubs
tough totem
Really? I feel like mines are one of those things that are quick to understand.
it's a matter of what doors to and not to mine and getting to certain spots first to prep
obtuse cedar
You also find those anomalies on twitch
I can't watch them though cause it makes me sad
strange junco
been to a pub where the mine guy deploys it during full team scan, blew himself up, wasted more mines in pointless spots
not the door, not the chokepoints, but near himself while the wave is coming for him
tough totem
not the door, not the chokepoints, but near himself while the wave is coming for...
pro strats
yeah I'd rather just not
obtuse cedar
I mean. If you do it right it can kill a wave or part of it
Line them all up behind you and mine it facing that line :)
tough totem
wears puffer vest
strange junco
then theres "i carry sentry for aesthetic, not practical"
100% sentry, never deployed, never used
tough totem
I don't normally see those
strange junco
if you've been in mm long enough then you'd see the anomalies
tough totem
there are terminal hogs, that query literally everything on terminal for the first 15 minutes
mainly calling the out bc they do it on levels where it doesn't really matter
like E1
obtuse cedar
That's called knowing what is ahead. Or they are blind
open pier
I mostly avoid pubs for the sheer fact that I'm less communicative with randos
And I already have some communication issues with my stack anyway
tough totem
That's called knowing what is ahead. Or they are blind
I mean we stated that we know what's up, follow our lead, and that we'll have enough time to do this in the moment
they just straight up didn't listen
obtuse cedar
They want to validate for themselves
Sounds like a player who think on his own more then anything
tough totem
I'd be cool with it tho if it was a fresh level for 2+ people, or a level where the position of something actually changed
like early rundown I'm fine with it
bc nobody knows abt any time constraint
but 3/4 of us had beaten it or gotten far multiple times
just another teammate that doesn't listen 😮💨
obtuse cedar
but 3/4 of us had beaten it or gotten far multiple times
Ok but again. that doesn't mean a lot considering a bunch of people got carried through E1 by 1 player only or cheesed E1.
tough totem
ok, I could see that
obtuse cedar
If they want to know what is ahead. That's just sign they don't want to rely on potential bad info
tough totem
maybe if the devs......... fixed their game?
all of the cheese in that level could be fixed if they just fixed their stuff
obtuse cedar
You can learn a lot of the map with terminal. Then you can make educated guesses of what you will see depending of what you see in terminal
obtuse cedar
No. Terminals are just that good of a tool for players
tough totem
good tool
people are also good tools
learn the map on terminal as a solo
don't waste others time
then join a group when you have the info you need
obtuse cedar
You can know what the objectives are for overload and secondary from the moment you find your very first terminal in the level. Every type of objective. Even thunderdome
open pier
That, I will agree with
If we did more terminal jockeying, we would've had it easier on some levels
tough totem
you're also a 4 stack and all fresh to the levels
like I said I'm ok if 2 or more are fresh because that's multiple people learning, and it's half the team or more
obtuse cedar
Ok but sometime you don't have time to do that
Take r4e1 for example. Doing terminal schenanigans solo at the start was just not possible
obtuse cedar
Tank spawned less then a minute in the level. Error alarm of tank. Room density packed
Good luck
half hornet
Literally just open any crates you find, but don't go out of your way to do that.
Not like you can ping the gsmn thing anyway.
tough totem
"not being able to query everything in a room full of tanks sounds like a skill issue to me :)"
obtuse cedar
You can. You dedicate an attempt to that as a 4 man then you are in the clear and you know for attempt 2
tough totem
Literally just open any crates you find, but don't go out of your way to do that...
THANK YOU I thought I was going insane
it's such an easy thing to just go with the flow in this game, you don't need every inch memorized for a completion
obtuse cedar
You dont need to. But knowing in advance make you less surprised by stuff ahead and less likely to fail on your first attempt
half hornet
I find checking other zones for loot a fairly worthless endeavour. Pinging is all that matters.
Unless there is no terminal to do that, so you just make sure if there's any loot at all.
Inb4 20 minutes on finding the damn crate
obtuse cedar
If more people checked ahead sometimes. They wouldn't be complains about C1 being low on ammo at the end :)
8 uses of ammo in that last zone that people rush through and die vecause they pulled everything
half hornet
That's about the only case where that's useful yeah
obtuse cedar
Not really
You see 20 uses of ammo in a single zone. Depending of where it is it can be 2 thing
Thunderdome or hub zone
You can also plan ahead like innC3PE in r6. While doing overload 2 min scan. That's 2 min to figure out what extreme is. Then you realise the cells are in main
half hornet
Even then its usually just a lucky find. Someone finds the ammo pack and he's like fucking jesus.
Giving me my 3 sniper bullet to waste on a single sleeper because I can't use scopes in CQC 😭
obtuse cedar
On the current C1 it legit train people to use terminal to look ahead. But people don't want to do that
The level is design to encourage player to use terminal and to learn them
It is your terminal tutorial level
Just search like a headless chicken until you find the correct path
tough totem
that's what I do normally
obtuse cedar
No wonders levels last forever
tough totem
until alarms or objective items are required
then I check for that item
that easy
I'm not an investigative journalist
I'm someone looking to play the game
obtuse cedar
Find a terminal from the start. List cell, key from the start. Congrats it took 10 sec and you already know a lot about the level
tough totem
nah
also the people I mean don't just list stuff
they query
everything
all possible obj items
all resources
obtuse cedar
That is just they probably want to know if resources are split or not
Though a trained eye can tell just by the number of pack you see by listing
robust marsh
i left to wash my dog and take a shower and come back to this
bruh can we move this to gtfo-chat at least cause thats the wasteland of this channel
tough totem
Rey I think they're disagreeing just to disagree
robust marsh
gtfo-spoiler-chat is still somewhat livable
idk even what you guys are talking about
obtuse cedar
Players listing everything and querying everything is a problem now apparantly
robust marsh
why is that?
obtuse cedar
Cause they don't listen to other that "know" the level
tough totem
it's annoying and time consuming
obtuse cedar
The way he speaks about them is like they do it for every attempts
But he doesn't state it
tough totem
I just wanna play the game, people that want to map out a level for themselves should do it on their own time
tough totem
The way he speaks about them is like they do it for every attempts
they do it the attempt I do with them
I leave bc I don't want to see if it happens again
robust marsh
i respect you 300 but that is dumb
obtuse cedar
Sound pretty selfish
tough totem
i respect you 300 but that is dumb
I'm very impatient :(
robust marsh
thats a you problem
tough totem
in this rundown it wont even take 2 min to query things
nah last time it took like 10 minutes for E1
tough totem
they seemed to be learning terminal bc it wasn't even a whole lot on the screen
they queried the ammo in the start zone 😭
obtuse cedar
Type "cls" in a terminal
obtuse cedar
Some people want to to keep things clear. It doesn't hurt and you still have your commands saved with up arrow if need be.
Not everyone will play like you or me
obtuse cedar
You see all kinds of people in pubs. Expecting them to act in the exact way you want is stupid.
restive oak
you know you goofed up if i agree with SGX
kek
half hornet
Cls best command
restive oak
rm -rf / best command
obtuse cedar
Just thrown1 cfoam blob on the terminal screen if you don't want people to use them. Very funny on uplinks :)
obtuse cedar
you know you goofed up if i agree with SGX
Also i love chaos. It is fun to watch. :)
obtuse cedar
Shake the views of people a little with some rational things or just goofy things and profit :)
robust marsh
we establish that the last time we argued
restive oak
Also i love chaos. It is fun to watch. :)
You are a content maker
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mellow creek
i have my complains ready on wen r9
fallen cradle
found this glory in a dm somewhere. got tired of getting lost in the level lol
strange junco
that becomes useless when you realize terminal numbers are not the same
fallen cradle
that becomes useless when you realize terminal numbers are not the same
they're the same when restarting from a checkpoint. that was why i was noting them down
half hornet
What is this? D1?
paper harness
there is no way
we're going to get 5 rundowns worth of remakes
before we get R8
that's actually insane
when someone has literally already released r1-5 on m*dded
half hornet
Modded doesn't count, simple as.
keen rampart
@paper harness that is just crap.... but i didnt expected less.... i already thinked that r8 is not getting released this year xD.
paper harness
the devs rereleasing content that they gatekept new players from accessing in an act of generosity
really poggers
keen rampart
@half hornet Polished xD
nothing that was added in the last rundowns was polished in any way
half hornet
There is of course criticism of this weird rundown mechanic, but now it's going away and the fact that it's going away is good on in itself.
broken scarab
There is of course criticism of this weird rundown mechanic, but now it's going ...
Like hearing that
half hornet
nothing that was added in the last rundowns was polished in any way
That's the issue - because they basically make new content island each time from scrap and by the time it gets polished - it's already removed.
Now they have no excuse.
keen rampart
@half hornet what do you mean from scrap? tell me anything that was removed... only the levels no features
half hornet
Well yes, levels. All the mad ladder mesh that I kept hearing about.
Performance optimisation, maybe. Shit like that.
feral token
stuff can be scrapped without having been in the game tbf
oh
not what you were talking about
keen rampart
@half hornet levels are nearly no problems.... you can see that at modded... and dont tell me "modded doesnt count" it does... many rundowns are balanced and vanilla... without many people that develop a rundown
robust marsh
<@377548062119297025> levels are nearly no problems.... you can see that at modd...
i mean... there is a remake of all the old rundowns in modded
sooo yeah
and it took the man 3 months i think to get all of them remade from R3 to R6
it is just a faithful recreation
keen rampart
@robust marsh that is what i mean... i dont have a problem with the old rundowns that they come back, but it should be just a "side" project. Because ALL players that are from r1 here will dont get a "new" rundown, maybe just a little bit changed level because if not it is not the old rundown if you understand what i mean
robust marsh
meh all i care about is that they finally said something
keen rampart
@robust marsh yeah kind of true...
atomic escarp
faithful
adds subjective changes that wasn't present in the original
yea ok buddy
hoary musk
I've been here since Alpha and I don't mind playing the old stuff refreshed. I have gone back before, but I'm hoping we will get some tweeks to lift the old stuff up to r6/R7 standard
keen rampart
@atomic escarp what do you think will happen with the r1 remakes?....
robust marsh
>adds subjective changes that wasn't present in the original
the level design and layout are the same
feral token
the modded remake is the same seed and shit as the original?
keen rampart
@half hornet what do you mean?....
robust marsh
<@456226577798135808> what do you think will happen with the r1 remakes?....
also i agree
robust marsh
the modded remake is the same seed and shit as the original?
yes most of it
feral token
so whats different in it compared to original?
boreal tendon
R7 mechanics and a few markers
keen rampart
@feral token for example stamina
feral token
yeah that makes sense
boreal tendon
noone can be bothered to launch the game 150 times to get an exact terminal placement as in vanilla
feral token
also sounds like ass for something like R2E1
keen rampart
@feral token but it is not like the devs of the modded rundown WANT stamina...
feral token
anyway probably too deep talk about modded now
robust marsh
so whats different in it compared to original?
some enemy spawns and stamina and R7 mechanics
feral token
thanks for answering questions
half hornet
<@377548062119297025> what do you mean?....
Trying to make a difference between changing mission design (objectives) and fixing bad collisions, visuals bugs, etc.
Aka subjective change vs objective good change.
grizzled quarry
So wait.... are we get all the old rundowns back or is it going to switch Rundown 7.0 out with this "Remake"... i am a bit confused o.O
mortal granite
you get everything
obtuse cedar
and it took the man 3 months i think to get all of them remade from R3 to R6
Ancestor is NOT a faithful recreation. They made a lot of subjective changes to tiles, enemies type placement and props placement
grizzled quarry
you get everything
Oh... so it means we can now select the rundowns instead of the typical "Reset"?
mortal granite
Oh... so it means we can now select the rundowns instead of the typical "Reset"?
ye, like a menu
ALT: R1
ALT: R2
grizzled quarry
Awesome , thanks for the nice response!
grizzled quarry
You know what? i only care to get back to rundown 1.0 again even as a remake xD Good ol times
obtuse cedar
I'm just here thinking that they will break the original builds so we will be stuck with the alt version only and won't be able to go play the original again...
mortal granite
R1 R2 and R3 is kinda outdated
R4 onward is up to date
r4 and r5 i would see a faster pace to remake since it's not much to add in other than rebalance
nocturne flax
Good morining yall
mortal granite
I'm just here thinking that they will break the original builds so we will be st...
well, it's a new feature that shouldn't be a thing
nocturne flax
So im tripping and im late for work
nocturne flax
So they jusr re releasing r1 and not r1 + r8?
west crow
They added the immortal!!! To d1!!! 🫠🫣🫣🫣
obtuse cedar
well, it's a new feature that shouldn't be a thing
Ahaha. R6 is broken. It doesn't give completion rn. They 100% will break the old builds
west crow
No way!!!!
grizzled quarry
Better than nothing... we could also just wait like 1 year for new maps
west crow
These devs are thinking of new nightmares!!!
grizzled quarry
I take a re-release , instead of a waiting game xD
obtuse surge
we will have 4 versions of R1D1
bold widget
curious to see if people will actually struggle with the old rundowns
mortal granite
they will
robust marsh
curious to see if people will actually struggle with the old rundowns
some never played them
like me