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#gtfo-spoiler-chat
fickle hawk
tame cloak
Interesting
boreal fable
mortal portal
Tfw no surge alarms on E tier 
kind swan
real moss
was there any surge alarm at all in r7
Actually good point, don't think there is
kind swan
It really is
obtuse cedar
How do people not realise sooner is weird... Closest "surge" is D2
And i guess the D1 error alarm
It's like a very slow surge alarm :)
twin dirge
surge but it's as slow as my reaction time
atomic escarp
d1 error but because you run away from your problems so by the time you reach extraction, they start to show up at 50%
autumn summit
I started at the very end of r6 what’s a surge? I imagine a ton of enemies fast
real moss
I started at the very end of r6 what’s a surge? I imagine a ton of enemies fast
D3 had one at the end of main if you stayed around for the 15 min
atomic escarp
I only just realised. No surge in R7.
R7 most casual rundown confirmed
no surge to bot through 
obtuse cedar
D3 had one at the end of main if you stayed around for the 15 min
D4 first alarm door
real moss
D4 first alarm door
was it tho ?
atomic escarp
yes
obtuse cedar
yes
autumn summit
Awesome
real moss
ah well surges are ez pz then
atomic escarp
cfoam and mines underrated surge combo
real moss
cfoam and mines underrated surge combo
worked really well on that alarm true
atomic escarp
for that door you didnt have much room to play with so you're most likely getting screwed
if not well prepared
obtuse cedar
guns under rated for surge alarm 🙂
obtuse surge
rng under rated
obtuse cedar
what is rng. it must not be an important thing
atomic escarp
well there you go in D4 it was a surge.
- the last door for cell was also a surge smh
restive oak
I need to search what a surge alarm is
real moss
+ the last door for cell was also a surge smh
no that one actually was not
restive oak
gtfo and fun in one sentence
real moss
I need to search what a surge alarm is
Got a recording of R6D4 if you want
atomic escarp
im pretty sure it was cuz any enemy you kill respawns and it was max cap
real moss
first alarm you see would be surge
restive oak
I'll just read the wiki
atomic escarp
and the last even tho it says error
restive oak
I just got home, need to vegetate
restive oak
Good thing there is none in r7
obtuse cedar
no that is a bad thing
fringe surge
And what is the spawn cap btw?
27 enemies?
obtuse cedar
imagine wanting less depth in a game
atomic escarp
surge alarms are fun ngl
real moss
im pretty sure it was cuz any enemy you kill respawns and it was max cap
apparently they looked into the code and it was not a surge just a fast respawning alarm
atomic escarp
oh
fringe surge
I recall giants counting as 2 and mothers/tanks counting as 3
Unless I'm completely wrong
restive oak
more mobs
more depth
Ahem
obtuse surge
25
fringe surge
I see
obtuse cedar
a mechanic removed remove some depths yes
obtuse surge
and they also just count as 2 i think
obtuse cedar
we need surge alarm back
real moss
we need surge alarm back
R8 will have 8
obtuse cedar
The one in r6 d4 was pain
The only problem with the entire level
you mean the only fun part in that level
obtuse surge
some surge alarms were really bad
fringe surge
Subject to opinion
atomic escarp
The one in r6 d4 was pain
The only problem with the entire level
its not that bad if you know how to manage it, my favourite part of the level
obtuse surge
idc if ur good enough to fight 30 extra seconds
fringe surge
I didnt enjoy the surge alarm as much
obtuse surge
its still dumb that rng can add 30s of surge time
real moss
some surge alarms were really bad
R5D1ex was one as well, just before p-mom
obtuse cedar
its still dumb that rng can add 30s of surge time
it's ok you can just move in and shut a door on them
obtuse surge
there haven't always been doors
obtuse surge
there hasn't always been ammo
obtuse cedar
there was
obtuse surge
starting x4
obtuse cedar
even r2E1 the ammo you spawned with was enough 🙂
obtuse surge
yeh
but that doesn't mean that its ok for it to take all of it one time
and barely any of it the other time
obtuse cedar
just adapt
obtuse surge
i already answered that shit
idc if ur good enough to fight shitty rng
its still stupid that there's large differences like that
obtuse cedar
also. in every level there is too much ammo... it really doesn'Lt make that big of a difference
obtuse surge
actual elitist
obtuse cedar
even if you had punishment waves on every alarm
obtuse surge
it doesn't make a difference to fight 50 extra enemies
its the exact same difficulty
clueless
obtuse surge
you're just repeating what i've answered
your skill doesn't matter
i could have dumb rng on A1 and you'll still beat it
that doesn't mean it should be a thing
obtuse cedar
exactly. i'm using your point to counter your own argument 🙂
restive oak
Depends who you're talking too. 50 enemies in 30 seconds, no alarm no anything, and it could wipe my squad cause we dumb
obtuse surge
difficulty should be pretty consistent on the same tier especially the same level
autumn summit
Ok what question should we ask next to set the lobby on fire lol
obtuse surge
if it's supposed to be that hard
code the game properly and make it so the scans are always ass
not sometimes
restive oak
Game design concepts that adopt rng should be careful how they adopt it
Why the fk am I even talking lmao
obtuse cedar
careful that is the elliist speedrunner in you talking wanting to optimize the fun out of the game
obtuse cedar
killing some replayability aspect in exhcnage
obtuse surge
i've never met a man that chose to replay a level in the hopes of getting shitty scans
real moss
Ok what question should we ask next to set the lobby on fire lol
any will do
obtuse cedar
"scuff runs are the best"
tame cloak
Speaking of shitty scans, R7B1 delivers
atomic escarp
whats wrong with b1 scans
tame cloak
B1 can sometimes have scans that takes about a minute to settle
obtuse cedar
lemme guess you think the 0-5 scout rng on D1 is also replayability
nah it should never be 0. but rng in scout doesn't matter much
atomic escarp
B1 can sometimes have scans that takes about a minute to settle
like they just slow to reach their spots?
tame cloak
especially in the zone before the baby decompressor
obtuse surge
you right dude
plush basin
Yeah 0 scouts is the same as 10 scouts if you just hammer them all. Its the same
atomic escarp
ah that one i can see why
tame cloak
When the cluster scan need to get to it's waypoint alllll the way up the railings just to split allllll the way back down
obtuse surge
but you're good enough that it doesn't matter
tame cloak
it litterally take a minute sometimes
obtuse surge
so why would you care
obtuse surge
it's just new players that get fucked over by it
fuck them xdddd
i hope they quit and the game can be more dead, now that would be replayability!
plush basin
But its not even hard!
obtuse cedar
scouts are common enemies. learn to deal with them. stop complaining about game for your own mistake. you get dealt bad hands in everything in life.
obtuse surge
yeh but why don't i get a hand based on the difficulty of the tier
obtuse cedar
are you blaming rng when misfortune falls upon you?
atomic escarp
unless you cheat then all the good cards are in line
obtuse surge
im not blaming it
but there's people that can beat tier x with good rng but not with bad rng
and i think thats kinda stupid
and i dont think its healthy for the game
restive oak
fuck them xdddd
AYO
obtuse cedar
heh. let them have an ego boost... and let them learn how it crashes when they try it again and fail miserably
obtuse surge
or maybe they almost make it
then try again
and get worse rng
5 times in a row
nowhere near what they had before
and then they say fuck this game
obtuse cedar
OH NO... anyway
obtuse cedar
they clearly weren't meant for this game if they lose their mind like this over something so small
obtuse surge
or maybe they're just new
and were expecting difficulty based on tier
cuz that would have made sense
obtuse cedar
oh wait what is this? D1 also is rng
obtuse surge
but again you guys are good enough that you just dont care
obtuse cedar
it's not like the whole game is rng based
obtuse surge
but similarly there are people on lower skill that do still care
obtuse cedar
cvouldn't be that
nope
the seed is rng when you load in
else you would need to make enemies static
obtuse surge
you can have rng without affecting difficulty too much
obtuse cedar
where is the fun in that 🙂
plush basin
My favourite RNG is watching the scan line travel at 2mph for no good reason 🙂
obtuse cedar
you can't. you could still end up with a room pacted vs no room pact. this affect difficulty
plush basin
Because its going up some stairs
obtuse surge
you're just calling the devs incompetent
balanced rng distribution should be "possible"
obtuse cedar
it is RNG based. seed is rng. not the problem of the devs. they can't test the millions of possibility
obtuse cedar
2 scout in one room vs 3 scouts in onje room. wait that's more punishing!
can still be 3 scout total in the zone
still rng if they spawn in the same room
obtuse surge
i believe they have been trying to make it better spread
so clearly they can do something about that
and clearly they want to do something about that
so clearly even the devs agree that it's bad to have a huge difference in distribution
obtuse cedar
i don't think they care that much about it tbh
else you wouldn't have rng amounts of scouts since it is legit 1 sec change
obtuse surge
i believe they do because its one of the things doc actually talked about
obtuse cedar
then why are scouts rng still a thing. they can be made static numbers
yet they do not make them that
obtuse surge
that's a good question
obtuse cedar
1 second changes when creating a level
obtuse surge
maybe the level designers don't fully understand how its set up
obtuse cedar
idk but seems like they don't really care. or think it doesn't matter much
obtuse surge
or they just dont know
silent kettle
maybe its better to not rely on the devs
obtuse cedar
learn how to deal with game mechanics, get better at the game > ask for changes and whine when they aren't made
obtuse surge
im here dude
i can complete shit with bad rng
but i'd like the game to have more players
not less
even if others aren't fucking elitists
obtuse cedar
this is a niche game to begin with
obtuse surge
and the devs went out of their way to make it more accessible
obtuse cedar
make something for everyone and it is blend.
silent kettle
the inherent idea of making an immersive stealth shooter only lasts for 10h of gameplay
after that its not immersive and ppl either quit or just play for fun
instead of working on fun the devs work on immersion
obtuse surge
you guys can say all this shit im gonna stay convinced that an alarm shouldn't take 2-3 waves longer based purely on rng
obtuse cedar
again. they make sure you have more then enough ammo in missions to counter that
why do you think we are swimming in ammo
if people can't aim. that is their problem
at that point it is on them to get better at the game
you don't pick up a game and expect to be good from the start
vivid quartz
If you think enemy spawn rng is balanced you clearly haven't played R7E1
vivid quartz
Ah yes. 2 birthers and 2 charger scouts in the thin hallway room is very balanced :)
obtuse surge
sgx surely there's a breaking point
right like
where's yours
how much harder is an expedition allowed to get based on rng
because right now it seems that as long as the expedition is "possible" you're ok with any rng it brings
obtuse cedar
The rng we have right now doesn't change the difficulty of a mission enough to break the tier system
obtuse surge
because you're good at the game
some B tier alarms are D tier alarms
with bad rng
you just don't notice that ig
obtuse cedar
Even when i was shit at the game i never complained about rng
No. The only mission like that was r4b2 overload with glp spawning in mom zone. We haven't had a situation like that forever. This is the only time were rng could potentially break tier difficulty
vivid quartz
When a Surge alarm scan takes 30 seconds to split and ends up right by a door where enemies are coming from, do you think it's as fair as one insta-splitting right where you already are and finishing it almost immediately
obtuse surge
but we've had a mom in A tier overload
so it looks like they just want you to get good
obtuse cedar
but we've had a mom in A tier overload
I said potentially
You still have more then plenty ammo to get around that
obtuse surge
what about that same mission
that actually had 0-4 scout rng
on main
but if you did extreme it meant you had to go through there during an error
obtuse cedar
That doesn't matter cause main is a joke
obtuse surge
because you're good enough at the game
obtuse cedar
Not because i learn to deal with the game
obtuse surge
because you played longer than it should take to be able to beat B tier difficulty
obtuse cedar
Clearly i was a god from the start of playing this game from what you are saying to me
obtuse surge
the first alarm in A1 could do 3 laps around the room before it lands and you could get good enough at the game to beat that
that's not a very good point tho is it
obtuse cedar
Not like i started in rundown 4 extension and still manage to get the completion on everything witg the 3 months i had
Nope couldnt be that i learned the game and got better
I was a god from the start according to you
Thx
obtuse surge
why does that mean rng difficulty is ok
tough totem
rng?
pretty lame imo
fits for a more organic environment
but doesn't fit for consistent playability
obtuse cedar
If eveything is stale then you don't have replayability so the dead period comes faster :)
obtuse surge
i think thats so wrong
i do not think you would play less if scans were more consistent
tough totem
game already doesn't have replayability
vivid quartz
on god
obtuse surge
i do not think you would have played R4C2 extreme less if the id spawns were consistent so that it wasn't rng on wether you had to do an extra surge or not
i do not think you would play D1 overload less if it was a set amount of scouts instead of 0-5
sounds like some bs to me man
try thinking about it the other way
have you ever seen something in the game that is consistent and then thought, wow it would be so much more fun to play this if this stopped being consistent?
obtuse cedar
No that's right. Instead on r4C2 i pulled all 3 surge doors at the same time since it was more fun. So i don't need to look for ids :)
Imagine reseting because it spawn in both zones
silent kettle
u also get so many resources from extra surge room that theres no reason not to pull it
obtuse cedar
Sounds like players want the easy win
silent kettle
it doesnt matter and devs dont care
obtuse cedar
Same logic as scout rng
obtuse surge
why its gotta be random
obtuse cedar
Devs don't care enough to turn off scout rng
So why would they care back then about that
obtuse surge
or maybe they do
because for a long time they seem to have really tried
we had a lot of static scout spawns
silent kettle
didnt try hard enough
obtuse surge
maybe the new level designers simply dont know whats up
silent kettle
didnt care enough
its not like the veteran devs cant tell the new level designers about static spawns
literally working together
obtuse surge
but do they
obtuse cedar
Every scout would be static if they wanted and thought scouts were that big of a deal.
silent kettle
if they dont communicate that then they dont care
about it
no matter what anyone says
obtuse surge
well maybe you just assume that it's obvious enough
silent kettle
its easier to negate rng than pray for the lottery ticket of devs "fixing" it
obtuse surge
its also easier to negate bugs than get them fixed apparently
but thats some shit exclusive to this community lmao
obtuse cedar
also for the alarms punish wave... the rng comes from the players themselves. not the game 🙂
it is pretty consistant when waves stops spawning. generally 30ish seconds after last scan is done. it is still considered during alarm time before that. the rng of if a wave spawns comes from the rng of how fast/slow the playerscleared the wave compare to that time
obtuse surge
if the game has x that's bad, you can say that x is bad
you don't have to get better at the game
silent kettle
weak
obtuse cedar
you can consistantly FORCE a punishment wave if you want
vivid quartz
The way alarm waves are balanced in vanilla is bad, if you kill waves too efficiently you get more quicker
You're punished for doing well
obtuse cedar
it's inifinte for a reasonj. else people would ignore scans and kill the enemies until not one is left
vivid quartz
what
obtuse surge
if i complained about a game i didn't play id be truly insane
obtuse cedar
as for why it is not on a set timer for spawning. same deal. people would ignore scans to kill the waves instead
silent kettle
no im saying u should quit if u hate every aspect of it
vivid quartz
Also yeah, we don't complain about the game because we hate it, we complain because we want the game to succeed and there's clearly not enough effort being put in to make that happen
obtuse surge
i dont complain about every aspect
obtuse surge
there doesnt seem to be much point in listing things that are good because they require no change
its generally how things work
it makes sense
silent kettle
very iffy
tough totem
they're right tho
silent kettle
u still need a contrast to compare
obtuse surge
ok jool
vivid quartz
Well when people suggest ways to improve the game they usually get ignore or just shafted
tough totem
u still need a contrast to compare
they aren't gonna bring up good things in the game to help their point bc good things don't help the point
vivid quartz
on god was gonna bring up modding when talking about game potential
silent kettle
game is bad because xyz while it should work to do good with this mechanic xyz
sharp merlin
bepinsex brain virus
obtuse surge
Well when people suggest ways to improve the game they usually get ignore or jus...
not entirely true
they have made changes based off request
vivid quartz
I mean it is
obtuse surge
but maybe they could do better
sharp merlin
sniper melee of request
obtuse surge
yessir
vivid quartz
6 month request :)
sharp merlin
Except that the modders literally fixed the bug and TOLD the devs how to
And it wasn't a bug
plush basin
they added matchmaking and checkpoints that people were asking for
sharp merlin
it was wrong code
plush basin
Two widely loved features
tough totem
pretty sure the fixed sniper melee bc of the complaints in every channel, not specifically game suggestions
tough totem
"fix"
obtuse surge
yessir
tough totem
also ik they didn't fix it
sharp merlin
They did fix it
obtuse surge
still waiting for mccad to fix D1
vivid quartz
lmao
sharp merlin
All current intepretations of "sniper melee" are purely network and desync based, which cannot be fully corrected
and charger animations being super fucked ...
vivid quartz
Yeah it's honestly pretty good after they finally did something about it
sharp merlin
they didn't tho
vivid quartz
Well yeah
sharp merlin
vivid quartz
but implemented something whether they made it or not 
sharp merlin
I'm happy they added teleporting shadow charger scouts tho, it was time they added a new enemy ability
tame cloak
Ultra Instinct scouts
vivid quartz
Literally all they have to do to stop chargers from flying through walls is change their attack cooldown from 0.2 to something higher
obtuse cedar
Two widely loved features
people complained to have them in. not because they are loved. not everygame needs matchmaking systems. there are other options that can work better depending on the game. as for checkpoints. they were implemented in a way that didn't satisfy the complains to begin with 🙂 people basically wanted save and quit
obtuse surge
they aren't fixing matchmaking because you guys are so used to their shit that you just tell everyone to use discord instead
so its not worth it for them to fix because no one uses it
like if you wanted it fixed
you'd have a better chance by using it
sharp merlin
i love playing with 3 chinese cheaters
obtuse cedar
matchmaking is bad because it doesn't work on random coop shooter that need this much cooperation to begin with.
a lobby list would have been better with some visual options similar to what EDF uses for their system. it gives all the info the players wants to see. instead of waiting in the void for 30 minutes because the player base is so small to begin with since this is a niche game
obtuse surge
nah sgx u just gotta get better at the game
it dont need communication/cooperation
:))))
obtuse cedar
the comm wheel is too small to properly make exchange fast and efficient
go look at edf menu systems and come back 🙂
leagues better then matchmaking
obtuse surge
matchmaking rng would actually unironically be better if your average player used matchmaking
but you get them not to
sharp merlin
not to mention main server 0 people in VC at OCE peepo time almost everyday
obtuse surge
so you're left with an increased chance of chinese cheaters
obtuse cedar
yeah i'm sure that if those 23 players right now would be in matchmaking it would solve everything 🙂
sharp merlin
i prefer just the convenience of being in a VC than ingame voice chat
obtuse surge
big words thinking that no one quit the game after you told them they can't use matchmaking
obtuse cedar
you can look at the steam player charts and end up with the reason why matchmaking is so deserted
obtuse surge
partial reason
obtuse cedar
i'm sure that 500 avg player worldwide is totally not the reason why finding people in MM is so hard
obtuse cedar
you really think that the very small numbers of people coming here asking why MM is dead and them being told that LFG is better is the reason MM is dead huh
like you really think these numbers would make that big of a difference
obtuse surge
yeh because shit works exponential in both ways
less players using matchmaking means matchmaking gets worse, repeat
but it can also work positively like that
obtuse cedar
I doubt those 25 players would change much
vagrant fractal
obtuse surge
obtuse surge
I doubt those 25 players would change much
the point was that it would likely be more than 25
obtuse cedar
Not really
obtuse surge
because people that didn't ask end up quitting too
obtuse surge
thats cringe
obtuse cedar
because people that didn't ask end up quitting too
Ok but having the 25 people playing here isntead of MM won't change the number enough ti begin with
obtuse cedar
The game is still dead at some hours
You still lose people during dead period
It doesn't change much
Lfg makes you seen by other people at least
Matchmaking is just the void waiting
silent kettle
????
half hornet
- "hey why mm is dead?"
- "it just is, use lfg"
- person uses lfg
- mm stays dead
tough totem
good
obtuse cedar
Matchmaking is cancer in small nich game with low playerbase. It kills the game faster since people joins and can't find a group fadt enough because the playerbase is so small.
Lobby selector to see what people are playing is the way on small playerbase
Seeing the public lobby is what would make things work
half hornet
Probably. But for some reasons devs universally abandoned the server browsers.
obtuse cedar
Because people wanted matchmaking in everything thinking it would be better in every situation
half hornet
"do-it-for-you" automated matchmakings are the new era or something
obtuse cedar
When it is clearly not
obtuse surge
i dont think they thought it would be better for everything
i think they simply wanted an easier access into the game
and it does that
obtuse cedar
The common people bought it like that
obtuse cedar
And now we have people complaining that if no MM then it is a problem
silent kettle
win
half hornet
To be fair - mandatory discord engagement is a very weird requisite to be able to play in coop as intended, so I can understand why people wanted mm
obtuse surge
and yeh they made a huge mistake by adding all the shit that was commonly wanted but then fucking it up by having most of it be incredibly broken
obtuse cedar
and also with low playerbase cuz u tell people off
LFG is legit replacing a lobby selector. It is the same thing but you use discord instead
So yes it is better for small playerbase
atomic escarp
i think it's great game design to use a 3rd party software to actually play the game as intended
smiley face
atomic escarp
no it's fucking not
half hornet
Yeah yeah I know don't explain the joke
obtuse cedar
Now if they change the MM system ti a lobby selector then sure discord won't be as needed if not at all
But right now. Lfg are way better unless the game popularity goes through the roof
atomic escarp
e1 (mods enabled) (infinite ammo/hp)
obtuse surge
e1 marker lobby
half hornet
I got used to trusting discord's noise filters
atomic escarp
e1 (!kill)
mortal portal
E1 [Trade server] No Boosters | !givemeall !wearcosmetic - >100 ping = ban ENG only | No HEL | Join the fun! HELBrothers Servers
marble flume
can you go back to previous rundown now
real moss
can you go back to previous rundown now
No
marble flume
what about the #game-announcements
real moss
can you go back to previous rundown now
Finish R7 first. The previous ones are more difficult
mortal portal
It's something that's coming to the game, eventually.
real moss
Like WAY more difficult
marble flume
Finish R7 first. The previous ones are more difficult
i beat r6
mortal portal
Reactor on B tier
marble flume
r4
obtuse cedar
Like WAY more difficult
hahahaha no
mortal portal
R4 was awesome
marble flume
me seeing green fog
mortal portal
Change my mind
real moss
hahahaha no
Here we go again
marble flume
real moss
r1 is a joke
Fair R1 is piss ez and R3 also
obtuse cedar
r3 is easy
mortal portal
At least old rundowns were pretty fun
real moss
I am mainly talking about R4 and R5 cause thebothers are not that interesting
marble flume
never forget
marble flume
so over the half of previous rundown are easy or the same level as r7
kinda easier
except r5
mortal portal
R3D1 was the only level in R3 worth replaying imo.
marble flume
dev: hmmm today i will put 3 boss in a room and bunch of big guys clearly our playerbase is skilled
obtuse cedar
they should do it more
mortal portal
R6D3 was a pretty fun and interesting level
marble flume
they should do it more
why
mortal portal
That level showed me they had a lot of potential with the new people they added to the Dev team
Then R7B2 and R7E1 happened
My dreams were shattered, but my hope still remains
mortal portal
D1 is pretty straightforward
mortal portal
Overload gives you a snatcher error, but you can actually kill the snatcher with melee if all 4 of you hit him twice
marble flume
where you do the terminal
marble flume
Overload gives you a snatcher error, but you can actually kill the snatcher with...
can
can't even do main
mortal portal
I usually leave 2 where the baby is to defend and 2 to search for the code
mortal portal
If the wave spawns on the terminal hunters, they got each other to defend themselves
Terminal where you confirm
marble flume
i'll try
and about the uh sentry
do you kept it with the searcher
or the defender
mortal portal
Defender
marble flume
ok
mortal portal
Also, write down where every terminal is
mortal portal
The number of the terminals change in every run btw
mellow creek
paper harness
where next rundown
twin dirge
who next rundown
restive oak
Always asking "when next rundown", but never "how next rundown"
tough totem
bc next rundown is probably not great
twin dirge
don't insult rundown like that
restive oak
Rundown isn't even present, and you're already talking shit about it
Poor R...
R8... It's finally time to make r8, b8, m8 jokes
It was all planned
real moss
It was all planned
Wait for R69
restive oak
Wait for R69
AYO LET'S GO
obtuse cedar
Considering they don't have gtfo-69. It would be skipped
It would go from r68 to r70
high forge
If we even get there 🙂
obtuse cedar
Oh we won't
I would be surprise if we even reach 15
Cause at that point the game will be 8 years old lol
It's taking them way to long to roll out content
restive oak
Considering they don't have gtfo-69. It would be skipped
BRUH that's... I didn't even notice that
twin dirge
yeah they even mentioned "the story's finale is on the horizon"
and that rundowns will be replayable
so R10 being the last makes sense
robust marsh
yeah they even mentioned "the story's finale is on the horizon"
thats a glorified way of saying yeah 1 or 2 more rundowns and that would be it
twin dirge
not to mention the playerbase dwindling
tough totem
playerbase would be more active if the levels were more fun to replay imo
I've only done like half this rundown levels more than once
and when I play I advertise any level just for a chance at playing the game
like no shot i wanna do C2 PE more than once
levels lame
strange junco
levels are rather buggy than hard
strange junco
c2's instant fog 
wispy anvil
getting stopped by bugs sounds like a skill issue
obtuse cedar
c2's instant fog <:Skull:858338001163255848>
c2 no fog bug
makes the level pretty boring
strange junco
fog level with no fog is just instant boring
twin dirge
any bug where it makes it way too easy is incredibly boring
obtuse cedar
D1 crashing upon playing the game
That last one just save you time by making you stop playing the game :p
twin dirge
I suppose snatcher is just really annoying
second to pablo
obtuse cedar
It's ok it's part of anti kiting measures :)
People who can't kite gets caught by it
And then they die
restive oak
Or are sent into eternal darkness outside of map
robust marsh
Or are sent into eternal darkness outside of map
god that was amazing
i think until you DCed all the snatchers were trying to target you
strange junco
i remember getting that bug for the first time and i was confused why i couldnt see anything
robust marsh
I know I am tasty, plump, desired by snatchers
oh my boy thats not it
you are just easy prey
robust marsh
they did but after tasting it a bit they spat you out and ignored you
but than after learning we were too hard to catch
restive oak
🤣🤣
robust marsh
they said f**k it and went for you
restive oak
I feel attacked 😆
restive oak
I did it, I liked it, success
Do you know Jimmy Carr's response to the "comeback" stuff?
robust marsh
no also gb i go get my pizza
tame cloak
I've only done like half this rundown levels more than once
I think I have a problem
tough totem
1 clear in D2?
restive oak
Oh, those numbers mean how many completions
restive oak
I thought it stops at 1
tame cloak
I don't know 
I haven't spent much time scouting for lobbies I was just "need to complete E1"
but D2 is fun I wanna do it more
restive oak
I need a completion of D2 👀
tame cloak
I have to replay C1 it's been a while and I just really like it
strange junco
im down for d2 if my internet isnt ass
strange junco
i need to play more 
tame cloak
I think the worst in my completions is the 12/8 B2
tough totem
I'm tempted to just tell the devs to fix the game in their stream
robust marsh
I'm tempted to just tell the devs to fix the game in their stream
your gonna get ignored or silenced very fas
t
tough totem
oh I already know
winged geyser
Is someone up for playing?
tough totem
.t lfg
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tough totem
@winged geyser
fickle hawk
broken scarab
your gonna get ignored or silenced very fas
Come on…
real moss
I need a completion of D2 👀
Still haven't gotten D2???
twin dirge
"tempted to tell the devs to fix their game"
devs watching their own chat: "interesting"
restive oak
Still haven't gotten D2???
nah, didn't play since our D1 run
real moss
nah, didn't play since our D1 run
You dissapoint me son
restive oak
the only evening I gamed was tuesday, nothing wednesday nor yesterday 😢
tame cloak
Weekend incoming tho
restive oak
2 days out of 7 is not enough
restive oak
You are talking about Hidoshi
and I respect your honesty ahahaha
real moss
and I respect your honesty ahahaha
It's banter m8
restive oak
I know lmao
not my fault it's also the truth
speaking of banter, when you available to car.... play gtfo? @real moss
real moss
speaking of banter, when you available to car.... play gtfo? <@19305144483066675...
This evening I think.
tame cloak
But I admire your trust in him
Oh no I don't trust 
restive oak
This evening I think.
OH BOY YES
that's what I like to see!... read
@robust marsh plans for this evening?
robust marsh
hmmmmmmmmmmm no i don't think i do
robust marsh
<@569403083038392343> plans for this evening?
.
restive oak
hmmmmmmmmmmm no i don't think i do
well, how about you make some? 👀
robust marsh
i think about it ping me when you wanted to do something
restive oak
splendiud, will do
robust marsh
so sad hidoshi died from excitement
real moss
so sad hidoshi died from excitement
he really did
real moss
Jesus christ, I'm so bored... This shift can't end soon enough.
soon
restive oak
what?
I wish I died
but unfortunately no
@real moss I just dmed you asking for an ETA, yet you write here 🤣
restive oak
so sad hidoshi died from excitement
dogs piss themselves from excitement, I'd rather die 🤣
tame cloak
👀
robust marsh
come along if you want
tame cloak
sure gimme a few minutes, I'll get here
real moss
<@193051444830666752> I just dmed you asking for an ETA, yet you write here 🤣
Your message only appeared now on my phone
Coming
tame cloak
aww you're full already
robust marsh
aww you're full already
nah
real moss
It was just a little inconvenience
prisma ibex
i was dead either way
tough totem
you can come back from it
prisma ibex
theres a short issue tho
everyone was down
they would spawn babies the second i tried to leave
and they werent in a good angle for me to kill them
tough totem
spear issue imo
prisma ibex
i like the spear 😡
prisma ibex
it fits nicely up my ass
whats not to love about it
tough totem
bat does that but better ;)
prisma ibex
spear is thinner tho
prisma ibex
fine
fair point
prisma ibex
i will make it on topic
im shoving the spear up the next scout i see's ass
azure reef
Are there any up to date guides on sliding/dodging. Dodge seems useful for shooters but I see a lot of streamers using slide, but sliding doesn't restore stamina and you can charge hammer attacks during sprint...so theres not much to use it for as far as I can tell?
real moss
Are there any up to date guides on sliding/dodging. Dodge seems useful for shoot...
Sliding makes you use less stamina during sprinting. Thus you can do it longer
obtuse surge
not less
none
sliding isn't sprinting
it won't restore stamina because you can't slide long enough but all time spent sliding is time not sprinting so time you get to move fast without using stamina
azure reef
I must be doing it wrong. I ran a test, run around a room holding pure shift, time to hit 130bpm was 1:23. Using slide periodically, it took 1:30. Basically no difference
obtuse surge
well its kinda bad to use that because it has rng to it
optimal sliding is 150ms slide after every 500ms of sprint
saving 23% of stamina
azure reef
Ill give that a shot. Trying to learn new things
obtuse surge
i've never done the math actually so i guess i can't confirm that 150ms is best
but its after 150ms that you start to lose speed
maybe losing some of the speed would still be worth saving more stamina, not sure
deft kiln
maybe losing some of the speed would still be worth saving more stamina, not sur...
Probs depends on the situation
strong lava
Any advice for C1 the first alarm door to the power cells? Me and my friends are struggling with it
obtuse cedar
what do you have
strong lava
At the lobby we just wiped for the 3rd time there haha
obtuse cedar
what are your tools
strong lava
tracker, foam, burst, shotgun sentries
obtuse cedar
replace shotgun sentry
sniper sentry will do better always
foam is not needed
you can either go 2 sentry 1 mine, or 3 sentry
sniper sentry can be used in a long sightline away from you so it thin the wave coming at you
mines can be put on the 4 doors outside to clear 1 or 2 waves
burst sentry can be used prtty much anywhere as it will weaken enemies but mostly not kill
lots of giants in the alarm. you might want to have some anti giant weapons on someone too
that's about it
strong lava
Alrighty we'll try again, thanks!
obtuse cedar
just to say though. foam is not needed for this level. it can help for this alarm but it will be pretty underwhelming for the rest of the level which is fairly long
real moss
Any advice for C1 the first alarm door to the power cells? Me and my friends are...
and lower fog if you have not already
obtuse cedar
i trust in their judgement that they know how to read
strong lava
Yeah its just the rush of biggies that we struggled with, got past it!
obtuse cedar
have fun with the rest
strong lava
For sure, we haven't played since R4 so seeing how far the game as moved
fallow wasp
The game definitely has a lot more polish since its beginnings
atomic escarp
The game definitely has a lot more polish since its beginnings
how so 🤔
prisma ibex
eh
i havent played the other rundowns besides 7 but from the videos ive seen i dont see how they were more polished tbh
fallow wasp
well when you hacked a lock, it took like 3 seconds after you finished the minigame for the lock to go away
prisma ibex
wait im dumb
i thought you said it was more polished at the beginning 💀
my bad
obtuse cedar
well when you hacked a lock, it took like 3 seconds after you finished the minig...
that is not what polish is.. polish would be how the gunplay has been polished over the course of all the rundowns
r1 was very clunky for gunplay
fallow wasp
the sounds were a lot wonkier
gray steeple
Any advice for C1 the first alarm door to the power cells? Me and my friends are...
You can try leaving a scissored pair of sentries by the bottom of the stairs (whichever door you chose to go through for the GLP) it slowed enemy flow enough for my team to rush it before
slow patio
tacit sun
nice
prisma ibex
okay uh wtf is this
a surprise
sharp merlin
Suprise boxes are caused by allocating too many resources/consumables in a zone, such that there are no more boxes/lockers to put them in. So to compensate, boxes are forced to spawn on the navmesh (ground) instead, and this is the "easter egg" that appears if you fuck this up, with the box saying "surprise" and being unable to be opened.
Literally the Dev's own easter egg for if you fuck up resource distribution
brisk wraith
Isn't it still the dev's skill issue for allocating too much resources?
mortal granite
nope
they just spawn a lot resources in that one zone
and there isn't enough box/locker for the game to spawn
half hornet
Why not just... Place one manually?
twin dirge
I think they said that each zone can only have so many boxes before it glitches out
turbid cliff
Why not just... Place one manually?
That's not how generation works
half hornet
I swear there has to be an easy solution to this problem somehow...
turbid cliff
Make the zone bigger
Move resources elsewhere
Reduce the amount of unnecessary crap like artifacts
Fallback to reusing containers until they're all full
atomic escarp
small floodways tiles be like
twin dirge
do we even have floodway tiles
atomic escarp
i wish
mossy marsh
susways
mossy marsh
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
R U N
real moss
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
the babies are...
Imagine wanting to nerf babies
atomic escarp
Babies are cool until you have to change diapers
real moss
Babies are cool until you have to change diapers
True actually
atomic escarp
they're already nerfed because r7 mg can one shot them
Full auto into a mom? Interesting
real moss
they're already nerfed because r7 mg can one shot them
Fair but some guy wanted their speed nerfed...
atomic escarp
they can
but make moms spawn 1.5x more babies
:))))))))
Make it a 2x
2x would actually be insane because you'll get around 48 babies from regular
Full auto 🤔
then one mg can't even abort one pmom babywave
orchid kindle
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
the babies are coming
the babies are...
Eat them
twin dirge
nutrition
broken scarab
👀
cedar haven
when next rundown will be released?
subtle vault
Next week
prisma ibex
when current rundown ends
half hornet
when next rundown will be released?
No ETA. Presumably near December, but delays gonna delay.
Not to mention that we didn't have a single leak.
prisma ibex
plotwist: its never coming
candid dragon
rundown doesnt come out til i build a new pc.
prisma ibex
rundown 8 will come out when i get some bitches
candid dragon
no, thats phase 3.
prisma ibex
phase 3 is nonexistent
candid dragon
like your bitches
prisma ibex
exactly my point
candid dragon
"yes"
mossy marsh
Rundown 8 will release in 3 months ago
prisma ibex
wtf
idle nacelle
creepy
prisma ibex
jesus
jolly perch
when next rundown will be released?
well
Bug Hunting seems to have started already(?)
or is about to start
so november/december
iirc none of the devs have said anything about it
if I had to guess it'd either be something like:
-mid/late november release, rundown extension late december
-early/mid december release, with the rundown either releasing on anniversary day or a few days afterwards. IIRC last year they dropped 1.0 and the year before they dropped a rundown extension release date
mortal granite
they could also working on reroll rundown system as well but that's just speculation
tough totem
devs working? unheard of
jolly perch
so
one of the expeditions in r8 seems to be a remake of R1B1
it seems to have added infection fog
nocturne flax
🤓😱😱
tough totem
whattttt that's craaaazyyyyy
real moss
Probably won't remain a B1
R1B1 was not the most exciting one tho
jolly perch
I can see it being where the fog areas in r1b1 were replaced by infection fog
and iirc the fog was only in like the furthest zone
so it at least wouldnt be that hard (and as djdna pointed out, A2 had infectious fog as well, same with R2A1)
real moss
full of infection fog and spitter
R5A3 altho only the ovl iirc
real moss
was it not a fogdive for 3 cells?
obtuse cedar
it's only the terminal room and fetchting that bulkhead key
plush basin
I quite liked the idea of R1B1 tbh
Choose your own adventure and some randomness from the id locations
obtuse cedar
the optional cell is that optional
real moss
it's only the terminal room and fetchting that bulkhead key
Fair
obtuse cedar
it's after completing ovl that the infectious fog appear if i recall.
it also raise fog level to cover terminal room
jolly perch
honestly i dont mind r1b1 returning but i didn't expect for them to rehash old rundowns this fast
obtuse cedar
because they are out of ideas
half hornet
We still don't know the lore context of playing older rundowns, so we'll have to wait and see what's going on there.
obtuse cedar
What lore reason lol. We already saw it happen in EA with r3c1 being a remade of the alpha expedition and r5d1 being a copy paste of r1d1 but with chargers as central enemies and an extreme objective.. no lore reason
atomic escarp
r5a3 also had disinf station so it's not really that significant
but still it was a decent introduction to fog
jolly perch
i still find it funny that r3c1 still has never been explained
obtuse cedar
It's not a new concept to revisit old expeditions with a twist
jolly perch
the furthest they've gone is by characters acknowledging it looks different
atomic escarp
insane r3c1 remake from alpha
you know what's funny, all the remake levels are just spammed with chargers
obtuse cedar
Lol
atomic escarp
what an insane reimagination
r3c1? charger error
r5d1? charger scouts, chargers from scout wave, charger alarms
obtuse cedar
They nerf charger from scout wave
It was too much for pubs :p
They also nerfed a mixed scan door that made it so the alarm would last longer to a simple just teamscan alarm
That was now easy to defend
atomic escarp
they're gonna add snatchers and flyers as the incredible twist 🤯
obtuse cedar
Don't forget mom and dad
atomic escarp
because that's just what they did for previous remakes of existing levels
r1d1, but now you get a mom when you open reactor
r2d2, but tank during reactor holdout
r2e1 but there's a funny mom + scouts in extraction like in r5c2 high
obtuse cedar
I don't think they have the balls for that last one
They will probably just put mom in shadow giant zones
Since they are slow as fuck now
atomic escarp
the real question is will the shadow big chargers return
obtuse cedar
Old content rehashed is not gonna be mind blowing... Rather have new content
atomic escarp
twitch streams will be fun to watch again
half hornet
I just ride for the sake of riding, no particular wishlist. Just give me new rooms to crawl about and new lore audio to blow out my ears.
atomic escarp
watching people struggle in r2, r4 and r5 will be fun to watch
also people who relied heavily on kiting will now be forced to shoot
obtuse cedar
old rundown
We already have access to them ;)
half hornet
👮🕵️
mortal granite
for anyone that already played from old rundown
seeing them again doesn't really matter, at least for me
for new player i would see that's a plus
i mean, who wouldn't want to play R1C1 again and go to sleep after each code
i love it back when the game on R2
real moss
i mean, who wouldn't want to play R1C1 again and go to sleep after each code
yes but with a twist !!!! (chargers on every wave)
mortal granite
where the steam forum are screaming on top of their lung
obtuse cedar
yes but with a twist !!!! (chargers on every wave)
Chargers! Chargers everywhere!
mortal granite
"If your game only have 0.1% successful rate, it's a dead game" or something like that
real moss
where the steam forum are screaming on top of their lung
they still do but just less often
real moss
now they got checkpoints. so they now want permanent saves
mortal granite
sometime, people need to sit down and read the game tags
real moss
3 saves per entire campaign
great run tbh
obtuse cedar
That is still too much
half hornet
great run tbh
I still have ptsd
real moss
I still have ptsd
alien isolation one shot achievement sadly you can do it on normal 😦
obtuse cedar
The pressure of this game comes in from oh god we are X amount of time in. We better be careful else we lose it all
real moss
we lost that now
obtuse cedar
Now "jUst ReSEt gUYs"
real moss
The pressure of this game comes in from oh god we are X amount of time in. We be...
but if you bring this up you are a filthy gatekeeper
half hornet
But that's you though.
"don't cp, just reset"
mortal granite
maybe they can keep the old rundown without checkpoint
obtuse cedar
But that's you though.
"don't cp, just reset"
Not when people are also pushing for shorter missions.
real moss
But that's you though.
"don't cp, just reset"
thats the theory, look at what it does in practice
obtuse cedar
You lose that pressure with checkpoint and short mission
half hornet
Short mission no cp sounds fair to me
I have no idea why A1 has a cp
Like seriously...
mortal granite
I have no idea why A1 has a cp
people die in A1
half hornet
Anyone here who used it? Ever? Unironically?
fallow wasp
having a mom and 2 scouts after a heinous level was just the biggest fuck you in r5c2
mortal granite
i saw a convo of a cheater in B1 a couple of day ago
mortal granite
so you have to understand that
half hornet
That level is grindy and melts you pc in the process
fallow wasp
Also I spotted a cheater playing B1 as well. They were using the sawed off shotgun. I didn't single them out because I firmly believe he was handicapping himself
half hornet
Sawed in B1 lmao
real moss
I have no idea why A1 has a cp
IT HAS 2
mortal granite
so he has more excuse to eat more ammo
half hornet
B1 is mid range heaven
real moss
i saw a convo of a cheater in B1 a couple of day ago
very funny stream imo
fallow wasp
This rundown I am a bullpup and revolver/shotgun boy
though precision rifle is nice on shadows because they're slow as hell
half hornet
Popping heads with PR is so kreygasm
Which reminds me. What's gonna happen to rundown guns now?
obtuse cedar
Probably rundown specific
half hornet
If they will try to keep stuff around... Will it means that rundown specific shall no longer be a concept? Maybe we'll finally get ability to deck them out ourselves?
fallow wasp
I'd assume they'd stay the same
I imagine playing past rundowns when they become officially available will be like a chapter select
obtuse cedar
You can have different gun for different rundown