gtfo-spoiler-chat

[last gust]

I don't think they'd deliberately slow the error waves

I just assumed the queue got busy

[fierce laurel]

probably just hit cap

[kind swan]

cap ye

[fierce laurel]

some lucky timing

[last gust]

the real pressure from the error wave comes from having to hold it while someone goes into 303 for cell, anyway

the scan is not hard

[fierce laurel]

that and returning

because everyone is on 1%

[last gust]

sure

[fierce laurel]

an unaware shooter bullet can insta down someone

[kind swan]

so dodge it

[last gust]

anyway, 3/4 cell is clearly far harder than anything else in r7

[kind swan]

be aware

adapt

and overcome

[last gust]

which to me is potential evidence that the devs would've planned for 5/6 to be plausible

[fierce laurel]

but 5/6 is by far the easiest overload too

[last gust]

but hey, they let d1 overload skip slide through, so maybe

hm, I wouldn't say "by far"

[fierce laurel]

you can still clear the room beforehand

[last gust]

d1 overload as intended is easier for one

[fierce laurel]

and a single sniper sentry can take out most to all of the flyers

[kind swan]

mhm

[last gust]

c3 overload isn't much harder

neither b3 overload

[fierce laurel]

B3 overload is pretty intense

[last gust]

ehh

[kind swan]

eh

[last gust]

it's intense for a duo

for a 4man not so much

[kind swan]

B3 overload with a competent 4man is easy

[fierce laurel]

every overload with a competent 4 man is easy

[last gust]

c2 overload with 3/4 cell is the only thing in this rundown that I'd say just about requires 4man

[pulsar grotto]

C3, B3 pretty tied in my experience

[fierce laurel]

C3 is about perseverance

its not 'difficult' in the sense thats its hard

but that you cannot make any mistakes for 20 minutes

I think its definitely hard, just not in the spike that C2 or B3 present

[pulsar grotto]

C3 - Sustain
B3 - Go Fast as You Can
C2 - Think it through?
D1 - Carry a Choke Mod

[fierce laurel]

choke mod mah man

I think D1 ovl is easy because D1 itself is easy

[kind swan]

choke mod is just the best burst dps for staggering/damaging snatcher

[fierce laurel]

I don't think its fair to compare that other overloads

I mean then again B3 works the same way

but the penalty is more severe

[velvet kraken]

tips on not gettin grabbed

[wary olive]

you can dodge the grab by sprinting around a corner/obstacle when it rears up to release its little grabber things

or you can stager it mid animation if you have a choke mod/sniper, i dont think other weapons can hit the stagger threshold fast enough

maybe revolver if you mcree it

[velvet kraken]

ok so they are like meant to get u almost everytime if nothing to seperate u

[wary olive]

yes

well im not sure if you can dodge their grab like you can dodge a striker tongue

like how big the hit scan area is

[velvet kraken]

have u beat this rubn

run

[wary olive]

no i need my E1 clear

😔

[grizzled ravine]

You can indeed dodge their grab by jumping over them, I've done it, but can't explain how nor with any consistency. Nevertheless, just assume they try to suck your nipples.

If you hide your nipples, you're fine.

If you don't hide your nipples, you're getting violated by the abductor.

[errant vigil]

they attack like strikers not that hard to dodge

[wary olive]

is the cone radius similar enough?

[mortal granite]

z do be wrong

it's like tank

[wary olive]

[errant vigil]

I've seen people run away and not get grabbed

It might be unique too

Saw someone jump and it missed too

[grizzled ravine]

Done both of those things and it's probably due to desync issues, especially around stairs with railings.

[turbid cliff]

Nah I've dodged as host

Didn't find a way to do it consistently

[wary olive]

so for all intents and purposes it should be treated as tank hit scan to be safe?

[last gust]

deagle is also reasonable for getting the stagger, though you'll probably need to land a shot on the approach

haven't tried with shotgun, but the falloff and spread probably make it hard to land enough of the leading shot on non-armored parts of the body

[wary olive]

ive tried with shotgun, 1 shot doesnt stagger and not enough time to get the 2nd one off

or im just bad maybe

[last gust]

well with the deagle you're getting time for the second shot by landing your first shot on it as it approaches

deagle has a faster fire rate than pump shotty, but I doubt it's fast enough to get both hits in when it's rearing up to grab

I'll tell you that if you can stagger it with 1 shot of choke, then you can probably stagger it with the same shot with pump

i.e. the choke's stagger multi doesn't change the calculation much

unless you're getting like a partial back hit

[wary olive]

i think you need 2 shots of choke mod to stagger it

[last gust]

makes sense

I'm still not sure about how to get weak point damage on a snatcher

[turbid cliff]

There are no weak points on it

[last gust]

the wiki says otherwise

but I'm inclined to believe you at this point

[turbid cliff]

The wiki can be edited by anybody

[last gust]

true

again, I'm going with believing you at this point

[turbid cliff]

Not sure if there is a significant difference in fire rate between shotty and hcp either

Never tried i guess because of the recoil

[last gust]

well the more you use the deagle, the more you realize the recoil is barely an issue

and the stats put deagle at a fire rate of like 0.45, pump at like 0.6

[turbid cliff]

It's more about obscuring aim

[last gust]

the difference in fire rate is normally not a big deal

killing bigs a bit quicker is nice, but not the reason I opt for deagle over pump

[kind swan]

I treat HC like a Middle ground weapon between Pump and Choke

With the exception that it can kill flyers at much higher ranges more effectively

And I suppose the way I treat snatchers is to just shoot the fleshy parts when it opens up.

[sonic basin]

Hoi, can you give me an estimate to clear D1 ? (We're 4 and playing since r5)

[velvet flower]

Main only? For blind playthrough 2 hours is a safe bet.

[half hornet]

Yeah, first blind attempt is gonna suck

I'd say 2-3 deaths and 2 hours total

[atomic escarp]

50 dmg to stagger snatcher

and the stagger threshold is counted even if you hit the armour/invincible spot or whatever

[wary olive]

oh really?

no wonder sometimes i think high caliber staggers in 1 shot

[atomic escarp]

i mean if you hit the back, you can stagger in 1 shot

but gl doing that

[wary olive]

Nah it was specifically 1 shot white hit marker 2nd shot when it reared up

Then I was confused why pump wasn't staggering it

[atomic escarp]

here's a vid showing that stagger is still counted despite hitting the invincible spot/armour

[wary olive]

[atomic escarp]

also how you can shoot two shots while it's doing the snatching animation

but gl doing that as clients

pretty sure you can two pump snatchers

but idk i don't like losing one shell every refill compared to choke mod

if you're cool, you can stagger snatcher in 7 hel revolver shots

but again, gl doing that as clients

https://streamable.com/m0twix

[atomic escarp]

here's shotgun snatcher which is basically impossible to do as clients

https://streamable.com/v3hz81

but

if you're cool

you can shoot 3 hel rev then use any 30 dmg specials to stagger it

or just get 20 dmg with any other primaries

reminds me of kf1 and kf2 combos but absolutely not as cool and is instead super fucking lame

i fucking loathe this enemy

[kindred oracle]

Does anyone if in D2, after the second blood door, if left/right rooms spawn different enemies? I know left has mother/babies, but unsure about right side

[wary olive]

Right side will spawn a tank for the defenders

The zone has giants/hybrids, and 3 sleeping tanks

[kindred oracle]

ah that is great to know, thanks

[fierce laurel]

basically do the tank side

[grizzled ravine]

Mom side only.

[hard cape]

mom side for sure. Actually open both doors, see what happens

[fallow wasp]

Touched a charger scout tentacle in C3 today

it turned red, retracted, and yet the charger scout did not go off

maybe I am becoming a prophet

[hard cape]

It didn't dare to make any sound bc youre awesome

[fallow wasp]

the entire team was super confused, rightfully so

I was just fooling around because we had gotten a checkpoint

[obtuse surge]

the natural retraction overrides the touch retraction

[kind swan]

the charger scout just wanted to cop a feel on you

you were touched without consent

[fierce laurel]

t-that d-doesnt sound t-too bad

[obtuse surge]

fix the crouching shadow giants bro

they are so pathetic

[half hornet]

what's wrong with em?

They look fine to me

shit to aim at though

[obtuse surge]

their attack speed its multiple seconds

they all attack in slow motion

you think you're lagging when you see it

[half hornet]

Probably intentional to compensate the fact that they're invisible

[obtuse surge]

nah

it fine for the other ones

it's just the crouching ones from what i saw

crouching its a longer animation for the attacks so its supposed to be a little slower but not by that much

[hexed vapor]

0.8 anim speed, plz buff.

[nocturne flax]

Leave them as is

[grizzled ravine]

.8x => 8x animation speed.

😳

[kind swan]

Basically baby striker type speed

[hallow lark]

Hmm...

[hexed elm]

what happens at the end of the reactor in e1?

[grizzled ravine]

things chase you

[hallow lark]

Yup

More like... get your ass to that place

[hexed elm]

ah, so is it like a surge alarm or something?

[grizzled ravine]

no

It's just things chase you

[hexed elm]

what chases you

[grizzled ravine]

immortal and whatever the 4 code guys bring back

[hexed elm]

ah fun, does the immortal spawn with the code 4 guys?

[grizzled ravine]

yes

[hexed elm]

ah, f u n

[grizzled ravine]

if they survive and come back you don't lose.

If they don't survive, then you lose unless you just have them DC and come back

I guess it's not impossible to kite it all out, but that's a big hassle

[hexed elm]

so its entirely based on if they dont wake a ton of shit up

[grizzled ravine]

no, it's reliant on them not dying

[hexed elm]

so they just run through and hope for the best

[grizzled ravine]

they could

7 minutes is a long time

[hallow lark]

Whew! Finished D2 again. Helping out a new friend

[turbid cliff]

Same shit for that pose normal strikers actually

Always has been

Maybe the animation was originally intended for hybrids only, maybe all striker attacks were supposed to be that slow initially, or maybe devs just weren't thinking about it

[hard cape]

How much damage booster do I need to kill a charger scout with spear? I had 71 percent and the scout still woke up

[mortal granite]

you are doing back damage, not precision

[hard cape]

yes I hit it from back and it still woke up

[mortal granite]

no

it's back damage, not precision, so you're dealing not that much damage with spear

[turbid cliff]

He knows

Funny enough you would need 72%

[hollow crane]

tough

Cause Charger Scout has 60 hp or something like that, n spear hits 35 on back I think?

[turbid cliff]

17.5 x 2 x 1.72 yes

[hollow crane]

huh, seems like hammer would actually be the better choice then, sitting at 40 back dmg

50% increase

[turbid cliff]

Unsurprisingly

Spear has no real damage advantage over hammer

[mortal granite]

that stumble damage is just crazy on hammer

[hollow crane]

Hammer really is just the best option that works all around. Knife has some niche in going fast with little guys but pales with bigger enemies it seems. And scout occiput shots hit or miss

only other melee i've even considered bringing sometimes is the bat

[turbid cliff]

Didn't take long for most people to figure that hammer is still the best melee

[hollow crane]

C3 solidified that fact real quick

[wary olive]

knife mains first time dropping in C3

[hollow crane]

Not to mention popping stimmy is just so effective with Hammer

[last gust]

knife was surprisingly passable in c3 until something woke up

just because of all the foam they left lying around in there

[hollow crane]

Suppose it does have that stealth multiplier right?

2x dmg on sleeping enemies. No idea how that pairs up with weakpoints though

[last gust]

not even, I think foam technically wakes the enemy

it's just that you can do hilarious things like backstab a giant 11 times or occi-stab a hybrid 5 times before they unfreeze

and that's enough to kill

[hollow crane]

lots of foam in that level, for sure

[last gust]

I solo'd most of the melee section with knife using these kinds of facts

[hollow crane]

but is it really worth spending all that time doing that?

[last gust]

kinda have it in the back of my mind to one day solo c3 main with knife, just for the memes

[hollow crane]

we all have dark thoughts now and then. it's fine

what's important is not acting upon such thoughts

[last gust]

when rundown too easy for a sweaty 4-man crew, you kinda get these ideas

it's kinda on the backburner for sometime after I finish the checkpointless c3pe duo though

[hollow crane]

I mean solo is already pretty out there

[hard cape]

emm

[hollow crane]

using the knife just sounds like added stress

[last gust]

yeah but that's kinda half of the point

[hollow crane]

truly a different sort of torture

[last gust]

If you don't understand why people attempt hard things or try to push the understood limits of what can be done, then I don't know what I can tell you

it's just something people do

I do wish the devs had a vision for the non-hammer melees that made them all a bit more universally viable, though

[hard cape]

so how much do I need....

im stuck...

[last gust]

oh, the charger scout thing?

[wary olive]

stormpooper said u need 72% kek

[last gust]

I could believe 72%

[hard cape]

I have 71

darn

1 percent shy

[wary olive]

59.85 damage with 71% booster

F

[last gust]

It's straight up 17.5 x 2 x (1 + booster percentage/100) = 60, right?

[hollow crane]

Again, just bring the hammer instead

[last gust]

i.e. no other multipliers I'm missing

and yeah I'm in the just bring hammer camp

[hollow crane]

20 base dmg, 2x back multipler gives ya 40 Dmg, 50% booster increase gives ya 60 dmg. Bada boom bada bing

and you can still sprint while charging. vastly superior

[last gust]

calculation I gave above agrees with RyK

[turbid cliff]

Sleeper mult on knife is 1.5x iirc not 2x

Whether it works on foamed enemies is something i should test

[hollow crane]

should be easy enough to test, roughly 5 full charge dmg. Just hit a sleeper in the back. If it's 1.5x it'll be 15, if it's 2x it'll be 20 and should kill the sleeper

[hard cape]

We did C3 checkpoint too many times. We lost audio can't hear a thing

[hollow crane]

as for the c-foam testing, same thing

Firstly, C-foamed Enemies do not count as sleeping, and also multiplier seems to be 2x, not 1.5x

[turbid cliff]

Easy to test yes, just has to wait until the evening and i have to remember

[hollow crane]

Interestingly enough, C-foaming a sleeping enemy also removes the multiplier until the c-foam wears off. Meaning that c-foaming while stealthin with knife might actually have adverse effects

[mortal granite]

well, you can ping a foamed enemy

so it counted as "woke up" enemy

[hollow crane]

makes sense

Basically, knife is good against regulars. And just about nothing else

[last gust]

the foam still gives you enough time to kill bigs, despite the sleep bonus not playing a part at all

[hollow crane]

But i mean... in comparison to not needing foam at all to kill bigs with any other melee weapon

[last gust]

ereggia's sheet has it as 2, and my recollection is that when I've caught the back of a sleeping striker with a full charge it's gone down

but I'm going to jump in and test it to be sure

[hollow crane]

just did

for sure 2x

[last gust]

I basically always go for head with knife just to be sure

[hollow crane]

full charge to the back oneshot

[last gust]

ya, that's what I expected

[hollow crane]

or atleast enough of a increase to reach 20

[turbid cliff]

2x, misremembered with precision

[hollow crane]

but given the fact you lose the multi as soon as the sleeper isn't sleeping. Best to go for the head

[last gust]

in a level like c3 I find myself going for the foam and the drugs a lot anyway, just because I don't want it devolving into this:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1515808088?t=3h46m27s

but yeah in general if I think I'm going to benefit from meleeing giants, timely scout bonks, or anything charger-related, I'll probably sigh and take hammer

[hollow crane]

honestly once i'd run C3 enough, found myself not even doing the countdown half the time. Would notice i'd have atleast one person nearby, give em a quick "Going for it" or just "Charging" and then pray they follow along

works out most of the time

[mortal granite]

if you start using c foam grenade/tripmine, a lot in C3

you could literally walk out with 0 hp lost

[last gust]

they did put a bit too much medi in the melee part of c3

[hollow crane]

c3 Main no hit runs

[mortal granite]

i haven't done c3 main only

that armory near extraction is a huge ass zone

i believed that, if you have c foam launcher + mine

you could literally kill all the wave with doors in that zone

[last gust]

I find the rooms can be just a bit too densely packed, and the enemies just a bit too scream-happy, to where it's often too much of a nuisance if a tiny slip-up happens

but it depends on who you have with you

I've almost always been duo in c3

[hollow crane]

ah see yeah Duo really changes things up

[prisma zodiac]

That was quite the experience

[hollow crane]

whole different game at that point

[prisma zodiac]

eh duo is still very similar

[hollow crane]

with or without bots?

[prisma zodiac]

without

[last gust]

without

[prisma zodiac]

it changes stuff

but still similar strats with exceptions of like double uplinks and co

Solo is a different world

[last gust]

duos still typically play gtfo the "intended" way

yeah solo is where you start looking at stuff that could fairly be regarded as degenerate play

capping shooters and whatnot

[hollow crane]

I mean kiting also plays abit more of a major role in solo play

[last gust]

at least in r7, you can do basically everything duo without doing anything sus

[hollow crane]

hows B3 PE Duo? Given the need to carry two things

[prisma zodiac]

you just dont carry fog turbine

[last gust]

^

[hollow crane]

ah, with boosters and such included then?

[prisma zodiac]

or rather you only carry it for a very short distance if at all

[last gust]

no boosters

[hollow crane]

or just suffering through the fog

[prisma zodiac]

you dont need boosters in duo, tho obviously they could help

[mortal granite]

is nuking the enemy spawn in E1 reactor consider cheese?

[prisma zodiac]

fog repellers and some infection

[last gust]

repellers, you try to guarantee repeller refreshes midway through the journey

somewhere on the order of 16 repellers should give you ample vision the whole way through

[hollow crane]

interesting

[last gust]

well, "ample" is an overstatement

it's still very hard to shoot both error waves with repeller vision

the only time I've pulled off the b3 extract duo is with cfoam + burst sentry

not bringing bio is crazy on the face of it, so it's kinda wild

basically the plan ended up being slow push until you're through a closable door, and have back spawns, then fast push and foam doors behind you

and permafoam last closeable door for as long as possible

[prisma zodiac]

and once they break through theyll funnel down the ladder anyway

[last gust]

yeah I was kinda surprised at how easy it was to shoot them when the door broke

[prisma zodiac]

funnily enough @last gust doing a ladder cheese with foam might be viable if you wanna do that

and it speeds up the process of doing the scan aswell since you dont need to refoam

[last gust]

interesting idea

though once you have final door foamed it's kinda free

[prisma zodiac]

i mean you can foam the door. Then foam the ladder

Takes less foam and completely stops them

[obtuse surge]

its not tho

like its way way way worse

everytime i see one on C3

[atomic escarp]

shooter stance shadows makes me cry

[tame cloak]

Making sure the end of D1 goes as smoothly as possible

[turbid egret]

D1 EZ 😎

[tame cloak]

Sadly this is not something I can do efficiently when I'll be dealing with Overload

[turbid egret]

Overload EZ 😎

[tame cloak]

Yeah but I suck

[hoary musk]

I'm also a little puzzled on how to do the overload. Just wing it with queries and pings?

[atomic escarp]

d1 overload?

[tame cloak]

I guess for overload you can just do the listing I did on the left and have that on a separate screen, it's already a big help and it takes like 30-45 sec to set up

Then do terminals -> snatcher -> terminals -> snatcher ...

[turbid egret]

Snatcher easy to kill 😎

[prisma zodiac]

you can even do it in advance before opening overload

having mines to quickly pull and kill rooms also can help

[strange junco]

pray to god you only get terminals at the middle

[prisma zodiac]

I mean you can easily clear both zones in 4 minutes

and fighting 1-2 snatchers isnt that bad

[strange junco]

middle terms just mean less travel time

i had a run where we got the same term like 3 out of 4 times

[prisma zodiac]

Yeah
But you dont need it rly

the dangerous is part is if you misstime the snatcher spawn with the 3rd or 4th wave

[tame cloak]

Oh right

[real moss]

choke mod says hi

[atomic escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/905231831471902801/1003162729055522826/coloride.webm

[queen field]

ok but what does that have to do with gtfo ?

[mossy marsh]

that's the best part, it doesn't

[fierce laurel]

thats pretty sick tho

[fierce laurel]

most based comment in gtfo server

[atomic escarp]

it's poggers

[icy wharf]

i've already beaten both levels but can't seem to remember what i had to do in either so, what is it that had to be done for B2 main + secondary and B3 secondary? (i remember main and overload of b3, just not the secondary.)

(@ me if/when you respond)

[light lagoon]

B2 Main is 2 Terminal uplinks while Secondary is collect a couple of GLP Hormones IIRC. B3 Secondary is collecting data cubes, which teleport you to Alpha-whatever for short survival sequences.

[icy wharf]

ty!

[mortal granite]

or you can play the game normally for 1 hour and the snatcher stop coming

[kindred oracle]

To unlock E1, do you need to have beaten all main obj first?

[grizzled ravine]

To unlock? No. To host? Maybe, unsure.

[kindred oracle]

I have all mains beaten except C3 but I can't seem to host E1 just yet. I assume it's just all mains not PE for progression

[deft kiln]

It is all mains

[kindred oracle]

Gotcha, good to know thank you

[carmine imp]

Anyone got any tips for C1?

I keep getting to the final push and then someone gets tired after a couple tries and quits because they feel it’s too hard

[fierce laurel]

everyone defends toward the back door with sniper sentries

once it unlock try your best to quick stealth the rooms

take your time

[carmine imp]

Do people usually run two sniper sentries for that mission then?

[light lagoon]

Probably, or even three (though I'd say two is preferable to have either Mines or Foam + Bio).

[carmine imp]

Yeah we were running sniper, burst, mine and bio, so we’ll try double snipers next

Also how do you stealth the room after the room wide scan? Dont enemies just always get spammed at you

[fierce laurel]

sniper sniper bio mine

[fierce laurel]

quick stealth

just use melee if possible

don't shoot unless the room becomes awake

you should be able to clear most of the sleeping enemies this way and and kill the alarm enemies in between

[light lagoon]

Also like, don't be afraid to stop, fight and recover the situation if it's getting too hectic rather than just trying to blitz into the next rooms because you'll just add even more crap to deal with.

[icy wharf]

sorry if this is a late response but from what worked for my group, take the right path. the left is backwards and leaves hardest room for last, usually hectic. for big rooms you know you need to go into, if you have mines just open the door, shoot once, close it again, and mine on your side. the room is now clear at the cost of one mine, saving you time and allowing you to focus wave. then, have each person know where they're going so you don't spend too much time in rooms (kinda hard on the first run but after a couple resets you should know pretty much where everything is).

or, you can always have 1-3 people hold the wave (up to personal preference) and the rest looking for hormones, then regrouping for each team scan.

[obtuse surge]

ahaha the terminal breaks on 4/4 D1

this game blows

[half hornet]

And yesterday a B1 run crashed and i couldn't reconnect because apparently none of the 3 players that stayed counted as hosts

The bugs are a killer

[mortal granite]

D1 spawning endless charger on extraction

[real moss]

Ah never had that one.

At this point what can D1 not do ?

[mortal granite]

replayability

unironically

[strange junco]

its Working As Intended™️

[hard cape]

D1 is the last mission I want to replay. I have to spend 10 mins every time just explain how to do the terminals

[atomic escarp]

d1's fun ends after finishing the second class 5/X chargers

or it ends after selecting it

pick your poison

[mortal granite]

you can literally tell them to do the "search for terminal"

while you do the middle one

[strange junco]

d1 fun ends after overload spawns more than 1 snatcher

[mortal granite]

it's easier to tell the people who don't know to do the verify command

[hard cape]

I have to write down a note just to know where the terminals are

[atomic escarp]

i just put on chat

[mortal granite]

just put in chat

[atomic escarp]

then prnt scrn on paint

jic people keeps going down lole

[mortal granite]

search terminal up in the main terminal

[atomic escarp]

list term e_194

[mortal granite]

194

195

196

[atomic escarp]

list term e_195

list term e_196

then

[hard cape]

There is a E1 squad waiting want to hop in?

[mortal granite]

that's the group i just played

[atomic escarp]

z194 XXX XXX XXX XXX
z195 YYY YYY YYY
z196 ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ

then just prnt scrn

[mortal granite]

unless you downed a lot, those chat message shouldn't be gone

we also did some bs and one charger stuck under the bridge

gonna love that asthma for 20 minutes

[obtuse surge]

snatcher in the wall after using the ladder

and then he drops you under the bridge

[velvet flower]

Not to mention the snatcher can stuck in a lot of tiles in garden.

Like Z196D

[hard cape]

You were right not to join that E1 lobby. Whole thing is a trap

[mortal granite]

they are new to E1

they just finished D1

[hard cape]

We have only 20ish percent ammo, and host woke up the whole teleport area

[mortal granite]

i think he woke up 2 tank when we played D1

[hard cape]

Clearly he didn't know that giant charger in the warehouse

[mortal granite]

he is experience

but not experience enough

[hard cape]

I ran out of ammo standing on that crystal spike, tried to revive one of the teammate by the ware house, and died, gg.

[mortal granite]

you could clear the charger wave

[rocky marsh]

#community-polls message

surely infected sleepers

itll be like the flood from halo

[queen field]

Why is "More bugfixes" not in the poll ?

😔

[fading nymph]

cause it's implied we'll get them never

;P

[last gust]

Having "bugfixes" in the poll wouldn't be a good look

honestly though, and not wanting to be inflammatory, but I feel kinda turned off of all the options with the state the game is in

[turbid cliff]

Because it's not new content

It's improvements for existing stuff

[queen field]

😔

[fading nymph]

slightly agreed

R7 has not clicked with me at all except maybe D2 and some of C3

My desire to replay anything other than D2 is low

[last gust]

I think the levels are mostly fine

when they're not broken that is

the duos are fun

the solos suck

4man is overkill pretty much everywhere

[fading nymph]

A1 is forgettable, B1 is a vertical mess, B2 is vanilla, B3 is okayish, but every run I get people get Overload then reset for completion so buggy af, C1 is good, C2 is way too long, C3 is buggy af, D1 is buggy af, D2 is GREAT, E1 is meh

I like E1 for being E worth, but the immortal is a lazy enemy

[daring pilot]

I love B3’s theme and feeling ngl

[last gust]

Is E1 hard enough for the reputation of an E level?

[fading nymph]

yeah, but every run of it, ppl just bug out overload for PE

[last gust]

I watched anchorage's duo of E1, they just kind played normal strats and shot everything with double deagle

[fading nymph]

no, just requires organization

[daring pilot]

My favorite level so far because it fits the Vault thematic (lots of security doors, locked by keys, all item grabs)

[daring pilot]

wait what

[fading nymph]

You just have to pick up the cargo, reset, and u still get Overload completion

[daring pilot]

I know ab the B3/C2 bug

[daring pilot]

What

[fading nymph]

for B3

[last gust]

B3 feels very vanilla and ordinary until extract

[daring pilot]

Well my team didn’t look at the objective screen

[fading nymph]

that's how i got PE for it, we tried and tried and tried, and gave up, but still got completion

[last gust]

and having that much vanilla stuff before you get to do the hard thing is kinda meh

[daring pilot]

Yeah I just liked how every item hates being picked up bc its in a secure vault, they all got some kind of alarm

[fading nymph]

i like C3 but the stealth section feels a tad long if u do PE

[last gust]

tbh agreed

[daring pilot]

haven’t beat C3 yet, but I do like it so far

[fading nymph]

i have carried people in C3 PE like... 6 times now

[daring pilot]

C2 Main/Secondary has my favorite optional in relation to main

[last gust]

I'd have the c3pe duo done if either the melee section wasn't such a drag, or directed spawns didn't fall apart wildly

[fading nymph]

Overload for C2 is easy

[last gust]

I'd be fine with c3pe being actually hard (hell I think there need to be levels that you basically can't duo with normal strats before the "not hard enough" complaints can go away), but when you know you can duo it, you have the duo labbed out, but the game just kinda keeps breaking on you and you get nonsense like 0-room spawns, it's just grating

[fading nymph]

dontcha love enemies spawning ontop of u

[daring pilot]

Nah I just wish it tied in to the rest of the mission. Like instead of Secondary being find MWP and use jump gate, maybe secondary is find MWP and extract it, but overload has the jump gate and for overload, you use MWP to power overload and do a harder sequence

[fading nymph]

true, it feels very disconnected

GLPs in a Reactor/Generator Mission?

[daring pilot]

I mean, compared to some of the R4PE, the main and secondary flow like butter

I love that connect, had the same thoughts about R6D3

[fading nymph]

R4 and 5 are the only rundowns not yet remade and im itching for em

I wanna redo all the rundowns

They rebuilt 1-3, and 6

[real moss]

you can already

[fading nymph]

IK

i want R4 and 5 done; the madlad remade 1,2,3,6, and 7

the 7 is a backup i guess for when 8 comes

[real moss]

They don't have to be redone, they good as they are right now

[fading nymph]

Redone as in rebuilt as closely to the OG as possible

[half hornet]

Black Guy

[fading nymph]

I call giants Striders

[nocturne flax]

🤨

[tame cloak]

Oh I forgot to to change my charger scout name

"sanik" is pretty fitting

[half hornet]

Maybe wiki people will finally come up with good names for enemies

[half hornet]

These pathetic function-based names are... Eugh.

[tame cloak]

but sleepers are what they are, fulfilling basic functions for the hive to strive and survive

[half hornet]

But can't they come up with better name than a "striker"?

They don't even strike - they bite, so they should be biters

[vestal mountain]

Imagine not calling the tentacle dude Kidnapper

[tame cloak]

i'll call them Tonguers then

[vestal mountain]

Could not be me

[tame cloak]

But that sounds pretty bad

[nocturne flax]

damn papi

[half hornet]

Hell, we can even just plagiarise other hivd based species

Drones, warriors, shit like that

And we didn't even do that

[tame cloak]

I like that actually

[half hornet]

Who the hell calls It shocker?

[nocturne flax]

wiki people

[half hornet]

Although that would actually be a cool name

Never crossed my mind

[half hornet]

Me thinks there's an underlying agenda here...

[daring pilot]

I call it shocker in case the word “big” cuts out

Helps to differentiate mid combat

[half hornet]

We can also call it langolier

To reffence a certain book / movie where creatures looked almost exactly like that

[daring pilot]

I unironiccally call E1 guy Pablo

Way easier to say than Immortal

[half hornet]

Sometimes, when I look at him, I can clearly see him having a general shape of a heart ❤️

[velvet flower]

Frank/Jerry/Pablo there are some interesting community names..

[half hornet]

Especially from the front

I wonder if a nickname could be derived from that

[queen field]

Just call the E1 guy gigachad

considering how it walks

[sharp merlin]

wtf is a shocker omegalol

rare wiki L

[daring pilot]

I like the different Big names

Frank, chicken, shocker

[sharp merlin]

giant, giant shooter, big flyer

[daring pilot]

Kinda wanna call BC steve now

[sharp merlin]

you'd have to push that really really hard

[daring pilot]

Ye ik

Actually that fits shadow better

[sharp merlin]

is there an expalnation why its called a shocker...

[half hornet]

Yes

[daring pilot]

Someone on wiki called it shocker

[half hornet]

It looks like it charges electricity when it prepares to shoot

[sharp merlin]

Ah i see it

[half hornet]

The first enemy to Do that too

[sharp merlin]

ty

[daring pilot]

Idk man it stuck for me bc big flyer and armored flyer are a mouthful

[half hornet]

Which is fascinating

[sharp merlin]

too bad its one of the most buggiest enemies

[half hornet]

Always catches me off guard though

[daring pilot]

I mean we don’t technically know how shooters chickens and kraken work

[half hornet]

Feels weird, like I'm playing some average MMO again

[sharp merlin]

they just think really hard dak

[daring pilot]

[sharp merlin]

exactly

[half hornet]

I would like to rename hybrids to alphas or something

[daring pilot]

Big brain chicken emoji incoming

[half hornet]

Because they seem to be the ultimate evolution of large enemies, not counting charging variants

[daring pilot]

The faces look like they’re being tortured

Scary face

[daring pilot]

Hybrids I think have a pretty good placeholder name, but I agree that something else could fit better

I think I called them barrage before I checked wiki

[hexed vapor]

I feel like their name is probably not going to change.

Hybrid has been the norm since R2.

[daring pilot]

Hybrid does fit very well

[queen field]

indeed

[daring pilot]

My group calls scouts “friends”

Not even because of the role

[queen field]

Except for the infamous bug, hybrids are good and should be kept

[daring pilot]

It just happened

[daring pilot]

?

[queen field]

S n i p e r

M e l e e

[daring pilot]

Oh lol

Host moment

[queen field]

Overall the only ones i don't find interesting are charger scouts & immortal

immortal's AI is pure garbage

[daring pilot]

Oh you mean Ai or name?

[queen field]

and charger scouts are the devs' answer to people knowing how to clear scout efficiently

the AI

Unless y'all were talking about names 😳

[hexed vapor]

We were talking about names, lmao.

[last gust]

hybrid animations are jank even without sniper melee

[daring pilot]

I think Immortal would be cool if it looked like WoF from terraria ngl

[queen field]

immortal is literally a tank backward

[daring pilot]

Like a writhing mass of flesh moving down the halls toward you

[queen field]

White tank could fit 😳

[daring pilot]

Pablo

[last gust]

I hope they do an animation pass or whatever on hybrids at some point, make them stop teleporting between animations

[queen field]

Well

[hexed vapor]

p sure that's just all melee attacks.

[queen field]

^

Chargers & tanks are very noticeable

[hexed vapor]

Big strikers and chargers have the same teleporting behavior.

[daring pilot]

I’ve never seen that, maybe bc I don’t get in melee range too oftem

[queen field]

I triggered a big charger once from behind

it instantly started its melee animation

0 hit

It teleported back in front of me, redid it, 0 hit

once i moved, 2 hits

😳

[hexed vapor]

Nothing personnel, kid.

[last gust]

you might be right about that

[queen field]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858157211334869025/999404107448201276/GTFO_2022.07.20_-_15.31.56.41.DVR_Trim.mp4

Just look at this

and witness the bullshit

[last gust]

I just find it about 5x more obnoxious with hybrids

[hexed vapor]

I remember the R1 charger melee-chains.

You piss one off, it spams melee until it phases through a wall, then teleports back to where it started.

Crazy shit.

[last gust]

I mean giants melee is jank too, but at this point I accept it

[queen field]

how do you accept that

😩

[hexed vapor]

Yeah, that's about how it used to be, lmfao.

[last gust]

but hybrids blinking from lying on their ass to standing bothers me so much

[hexed vapor]

But now it does 40 damage instead of 4.

[queen field]

The big charger literally entered the freaking HSU

and still hit people behind it

We need that technology to cheese levels

[daring pilot]

Oh we were talking ab scout models earlier, what if the head had like, little wiggling tentacles instead of the black eggs

And it slapp with tentacle

[queen field]

With the slap SFX ? 😳

[daring pilot]

Idk man I think scouts being more visually unique is a cool idea

[half hornet]

Yeah, always found it weird that scouts are just shooters with tentacles

My first encounter with one was amazing

[turbid cliff]

animation states not properly enforced, animation moving the enemy when it physically doesn't, or just navmesh agent not being updated correctly
pick your favourite

[queen field]

And then you have shadow scouts

which are ... strikers with a gigantic head

😳

[half hornet]

All I saw were the tentacles coming around corner

That was so unsettling

[daring pilot]

Bigger brain

[queen field]

the head is humongous ngl

[daring pilot]

[atomic escarp]

@tiny quail

little bitch

@deep jay i'm such a big fan :c

[queen field]

what the fuck

[tiny quail]

mods please ban

[deep jay]

mods ban

[obtuse surge]

hi kaneki

[atomic escarp]

what do yo uwant stupid french

[atomic escarp]

who's kaneki???????

[tiny quail]

I digress

[queen field]

Oh it's kaneki

no wonder

[obtuse surge]

[atomic escarp]

no it's not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm iPlayOsu!

i don' know kaneki

[queen field]

You're unemployed either way

So does it really matter ?

[atomic escarp]

you're literally

french

[queen field]

He broke me

😩

[atomic escarp]

turn around

[atomic escarp]

you literally spend your 9 to 5's in this chat.................................

[fading nymph]

Solution to Animations bugging them into walls is simple

Keep the collision mesh active during animation and not have the animation 'travel' the model any

[queen field]

I'm still a student buddy 😔

[atomic escarp]

go study loser

[queen field]

Very hard for the devs to do that 😔

[queen field]

Ah yes, studying in august 😳

[fading nymph]

@queen field tell him to suck your under side

[atomic escarp]

re-exams maybe

idk

[fading nymph]

you do what chu want

[atomic escarp]

is that you on your pfp?

[obtuse surge]

43 burried, 0 found

[fading nymph]

Why yes, im the prettiest Ginger you'll ever come across

[atomic escarp]

false!!!

@tiny quail is the prettiest ginger

[fading nymph]

false!!!

[atomic escarp]

NO!

[fading nymph]

YES!

[tiny quail]

stop pinging me

[atomic escarp]

You are literally named after a warframe character

[atomic escarp]

stfu

[tiny quail]

go play osu men

[atomic escarp]

clicks circles

[feral token]

Thanks for posting all your answers so I can ignore them /s

[turbid cliff]

don't even need to have them posted, just look for the stupid ones

[feral token]

I look forward to what people put

[nocturne flax]

I will still refuse to call them shockers

🙏

[mossy marsh]

hibird

[atomic escarp]

big flyer

charger flyer

[bold widget]

^lol big noob

can play with only boosters

[kind swan]

The Rare Kenny message

[queen field]

Why do people forget that you can disable quote pings

[fading nymph]

cause pinging you @queen field is much more fun

[queen field]

epic

[atomic escarp]

pls help solo

[bold widget]

cant, dont know how to kill scouts 😔

[atomic escarp]

oh...

i can teach

$50 a training session

[bold widget]

oki pls

[pulsar grotto]

Yo do you guys like duo with or without bots

I fully completed R7 (all PEs n stuff) a while back n I'm bored

[fierce laurel]

without

more fun

[pulsar grotto]

Aiiight

[bold widget]

without

[hallow lark]

If you are bored, there’s always the Soundless challenge that you could do XD

[pulsar grotto]

I know where ya coming from but sounds are part of my experience rn

Just holding down that MG and hearing that dakka is fun

Maybe I do Soundless after duo

[atomic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/pings-off-reply-pings-off-reply-ping-discord-reply-ping-gif-22087396

[fading nymph]

Cool!

[hallow lark]

Cool!

[kind swan]

I am not nice apparently

[fading nymph]

same

[fierce laurel]

same

[fading nymph]

mhm

[fierce laurel]

can you stop pinging me

[fading nymph]

yes

[fading nymph]

Michael Myers here

[last gust]

without

r7's a good duos rundown

you can duo every level in r7 with non-degenerate strats

and it's actually challenging

does mean you'll feel certain bugs more though, e.g. broken spawns in c3

[fading nymph]

and D1

[last gust]

well D1 is just a plain no-go until they patch it

whereas you can rationalize banging your head against the wall with c3pe, because the spawns can behave and if they do then it's a perfectly reasonable duo

[prisma zodiac]

@last gust

theres a level you cant duo tho

cuz massive skill issue

hardest E level ever pretty much

the true horror
EVAL

[last gust]

all is lost

[prisma zodiac]

I guess you can never say that you finished duoing the rundown til you do that

[atomic escarp]

mmm r5c2pe and r5d2 duo, back when duos are actually difficult

[fallow wasp]

So that community news poll is supposed to be the non official names we call them?

[turbid cliff]

it's for wiki

[bold widget]

gay person spotted ❗

[atomic escarp]

@ mods, this is harassment

[real moss]

Is it when true tho??

[atomic escarp]

no i'm not happy

why would you assume i'm a happy person

[real moss]

You always shine a Light on any conversation you join so my guess was happy person

[atomic escarp]

i'm very unhappy

[last gust]

well the fact that I can duo the rundown is basically confirmation that duoing the rundown is not hard

same went for r6

got stuck in B tier when trying to duo r5

not that we spent all that long trying

[real moss]

But then again R6 was a really easy rundown to get those new people in.

[last gust]

r7 isn't harder than r6 to duo

[real moss]

R7 is harder overall than R6 honestly

[last gust]

in general I think the people who thought r7 was harder are people who played it through in 1 week, thought "this rundown I'm unfamiliar with sure is harder than the last rundown which I played to death," and then stopped playing

I'll agree that some of the earlier levels, e.g. c1, are harder than their r6 counterparts

but nothing in this rundown is meaningfully harder than, say, r6d3pe

[real moss]

R6 had only R6D3 PE

that's it

[atomic escarp]

r7 is not even a difficult rd

[last gust]

I don't even think much in this rundown is meaningfully harder than r6c3pe, or r6d4

[real moss]

Not saying that, saying that R6 is even easier

[real moss]

R6C3PE was easy af, R6D4 was nothing crazy as well

[last gust]

r6c3pe and r7c3pe are roughly equivalent in difficulty

only difference is that r7c3pe is more demanding of your time

[real moss]

I would put R7C3PE above everything in R6 except R6D3PE

[last gust]

like, the melee section in r7c3 is not in any regard difficult

the waves are more generic

no mandatory tank fights

tighter zones

that's kinda it

one messy blood door I guess

the uplinks are not that bad

[real moss]

The overall difficulty of R7C3PE is still higher than R6C3PE. R6C3 was a memorizing game after that it was auto pilot

[last gust]

r7c3pe is also a memorizing game

[real moss]

Only the last part, the first part is mostly clearing and sneaking

[last gust]

but the first part is the easy part

[real moss]

Lets put It like this

R6C3PE every time we jumped in was a 99% chance to clear. R7C3PE is nowhere near these odds

[last gust]

if you're a 4man, surely the odds would be 99%?

otherwise skill issue I guess

[real moss]

Nah still not there for R7C3PE

[last gust]

or you haven't memorized the memorization part like you've done for r6c3

[real moss]

Eventually ofc

[sharp merlin]

R7C3 overload is pretty difficult, the rest of level is very easy

R6C3 pe is very easy if you manage mining doors well

There’s not much comparison

R7C3 is much harder considering overload

[last gust]

r6c3pe you actually fight multiple tanks

which is harder to do with waves going on than those uplinks

[real moss]

But even without this C3 discussion. R6 was easily the easier of the two rundowns

[last gust]

not by much, I'll grant

[sharp merlin]

It’s really not

[turbid cliff]

There is no difficult rundown, there never was a difficult rundown, and there never will be a difficult rundown

[last gust]

I just don't know why you think two 3-round uplinks are hard

[real moss]

R5

imo

[last gust]

I just don't know what other levels you think are that hard

[sharp merlin]

It’s considering the waves in conjunction with the blood door

[real moss]

None, but none of R6 as well.

[last gust]

I'm not saying r6 is hard

I played r5, I duo'd r6, I know r6 is easy

I just think r7's not some sort of difficulty return-to-form

[sharp merlin]

Especially with checkpoint

[atomic escarp]

where was the copypasta

[real moss]

Oh no absolutely not what I'm saying. R7 is still on the easy spectrum

[atomic escarp]

ovl unironically makes c3 high easier, you get like almost 20 uses of extra resources, uplinks don't spawn waves themselves
and a very funny interaction with uplinks
finishing a wave disables a wave which is why your pulse temporarily
the only hard thing is a SINGULAR charger wave after you finish ovl
and maybe blood door with 10 giants but sniper sentry and/or sniper on special lol

[real moss]

My only point is that R7 is harder than R6 (and R1) The rest of the rundowns are harder

[last gust]

I remember glacius gloating about how we'd never duo r7e1 without degenerate strats

[atomic escarp]

there's also no punishment for not doing ovl

you can just get res

then go

[last gust]

apparently they nerfed the hell out of e1 before they released it though

[atomic escarp]

glacius also said no one could beat e1 within one week so

[last gust]

I've heard r3 was a pushover

but I wasn't around for it

[atomic escarp]

i don't think you can just compare his skill level to others

[real moss]

Did it recently, you are right

[atomic escarp]

when one is fairly lower than others

[real moss]

putting that below R7 as well

R2, R4 and R5 would be above R7. So I guess R7 would be in the middle

[last gust]

anyway, there's subjectivity involved here

and I do think that the earlier levels in r7 tend to be harder than the earlier levels in r6

[real moss]

ofc

[atomic escarp]

i would put r7 the bottom in terms of fun :^)

[last gust]

but I have to believe that vets weren't hankering for harder novice levels

[real moss]

but that is another ranking :)

[atomic escarp]

unironically would rather play r3 than r7

[fierce laurel]

R7 is pretty fun compared to certain rundowns

cough cough R5

[atomic escarp]

b1 b2 d1 fun

[real moss]

R3 was pretty fun

[atomic escarp]

r5 was extremely fun

[fierce laurel]

it was tedious

[real moss]

R1 was the least fun

[fierce laurel]

they put in hard mechanics for the sake of making it hard

[last gust]

r5 was my first rundown

[fierce laurel]

they didn't innovate or do anything interesting

just put challenge after challenge

[atomic escarp]

gtfo players when they said r5 hard

[real moss]

R5 is so much fun, and pain

[last gust]

it was tedious and uneven, but it has a lot of great stuff in it

[atomic escarp]

then r6 too easy

and r5 is probably the last "difficult" rundown now that everything is streamlined after stamina system

[last gust]

I think r5 was kinda hostile to new players, which is an early level problem

[real moss]

Sadly we will have to wait and see

[atomic escarp]

i enjoyed gtfo the most when there's genuine pressure in expeditions

[real moss]

That definitely

[last gust]

so naturally 10cc fixed the problem of no accessible early levels by making the late levels easier

[fierce laurel]

I doubt that they'll ever be rundowns like R5

[atomic escarp]

r5c2pe, r5d2, r5e1 comes to mind

[fierce laurel]

and thats a good thing

[atomic escarp]

i felt zero pressure in r7

[fierce laurel]

R5 was way too hard and bad for the community health

R5 had the worst player retention

[real moss]

Well R6A1 and R7A1 are decent newbie friendly levels tbh

[last gust]

I don't have a problem with r6a1 or r7a1

[atomic escarp]

r6 had a few moments where there was pressure

[fierce laurel]

R7A1 is a good intro

R7B1 is a problem

[atomic escarp]

like r6c2ex, d3 last code, ex push etc

but it's completely absent in r7

at least for me

[last gust]

it's more that the bulk of the content is for intermediate players, when the playerbase seems bimodal

[real moss]

I see a lot of new teams failing on R7B1

[atomic escarp]

new

[last gust]

i.e. lots of struggling noobs and a bunch of vets

[fierce laurel]

B1 is a disgusting hike from A1

[atomic escarp]

wow almost like they're new

crazy

[fierce laurel]

there needs to be more A levels

to ease new players

either that or permanent A tiers

[real moss]

I still think its better than R6B1

R6B1 should have been R6A2

[fierce laurel]

R6B1 at least eased the player

[atomic escarp]

having a tiers with layered diff was fun

[fierce laurel]

R6 in general was too easy I don't think any of the levels are accurate to their tier

[real moss]

it should not have been a B tier

[atomic escarp]

r4a2pe, r4a3pe, r4a3ex (ovl poo poo)

[sharp merlin]

I mean, always been like that

[atomic escarp]

are all really really fun

[real moss]

R5A2PE honestly a lot of fun

[fierce laurel]

R5A3 is a good level that could be permanent

[sharp merlin]

^^^

[atomic escarp]

datacenter

sorry

[fierce laurel]

not too easy not too hard

[real moss]

On R6 I saw most of them failing on R6C1

[atomic escarp]

also a2 ex was a lame obj

shutting off lights is always and will be the lamest way to "increase the difficulty"

[real moss]

Nah, I really missed true darkness in R6

It felt bright

[fierce laurel]

well R5A2 was just really ginmicky

[atomic escarp]

also their failed attempt of ovl

[sharp merlin]

too much bright colour , looking at R7D1 omegalul

[fierce laurel]

I don't think have a light off obj was too out of reach on that level

[atomic escarp]

cuz they cannot program a kill obj

so they added a hdd there

[sharp merlin]

Kill obj?

[real moss]

Yep R7 still has a lot of brightness. less than R6 tho

[atomic escarp]

eliminate biomass sort of obj

[real moss]

R5A2 ovl was really about the mother

[atomic escarp]

like r6d1

[sharp merlin]

very easily program, mod has done.

[real moss]

not the HDD

[atomic escarp]

you said mod

[sharp merlin]

dev probably choose not do make kill obj

Even R6D1 is kill obj

[atomic escarp]

i'm pretty sure they wanted to make ovl an eliminate biomass sort of obj

but they couldn't

during r5, but it worked in r6

[real moss]

technically it's a download database

[sharp merlin]

No it’s not

Technically the level completes on kraken death progression

[atomic escarp]

which is why the moment you killed the burrito, the clear counter updates

you don't even need to extract

[sharp merlin]

Lmao didn’t know

[last gust]

I have cracked a2 overload, killed mommy, and returned with the cargo only to wonder why I got a failed objective on the end screen

[real moss]

Ah yes, classic

[sharp merlin]

R5A2 error alarm is the biggest meme ever

[last gust]

we got a good laugh out of that and just redid the level

not a big deal

[real moss]

Standard 3 smalls

or was it 4

[last gust]

r5b1 error alarm is the yardstick here

[sharp merlin]

It was overly difficult but felt like it

[atomic escarp]

pretty sure it's a rapid error

2 every 15s

or 20s, like r4a2 ovl

which is why there's no horde scream

[real moss]

Could be

[real moss]

R4 was the Error rundown anyways

Oh you have an Error?..... here is one more

[atomic escarp]

r4c1 high was also a rapid error

[real moss]

I don't even remember R4C1

[atomic escarp]

which is why there's no scream everytime they spawn

you bring big ball to inject it with aids

[real moss]

R4C2PE tho I do remember ....

[atomic escarp]

then you fight tank

[real moss]

aaaaah yes the tank intro

[sharp merlin]

R4C2PE second best level

[atomic escarp]

if you did c1ex, it's a 12 code uplink or 10

can't remember

[sharp merlin]

12

[atomic escarp]

i just solo hold with revolver

because that's cool

[sharp merlin]

Obviously wasn’t paying attention to aliens stream

[atomic escarp]

cfoam is not cool

[real moss]

Yeah THAT one I remember

Cause uplinks are not long enough

[atomic escarp]

man i miss pre r5 mines

mines not insta killing waves sometimes help

[real moss]

where they kill 3 enemies on a wave?

[atomic escarp]

like r4e1 first alarm, you mine big door, it kills only like 5

but that's good because another wave won't insta spawn

[real moss]

On the S scan with the slopes

[sharp merlin]

That’s the second S alarm

[real moss]

Right first one is actually in the room where first tank Spawns. my bad

[sharp merlin]

Yea

[atomic escarp]

it also helps with code fetching because you can spam more mines

for stragglers or hybrids

it sounds weird but sometimes i want not very op mines like pre r5 ones

[sharp merlin]

Mines are too broke.

Broken

Yeah I agree 100%

[atomic escarp]

they should have two mine deployers

one is current ones

[sharp merlin]

Blood doors are much more cool and harder

[atomic escarp]

then the other is just pre r5 weaker mines

but you carry like 15 max

[sharp merlin]

R7 blood doors now have enemies sleeping in A now to make it harder since mine kills everything at start

[atomic escarp]

and get 3 per refill

[sharp merlin]

So stupid

[atomic escarp]

i also want grenade launchers on the special slot because it would still fits the premise of the game

just say it's used to be used for riot control where they fire tear gas or rubber grenades

now repurposed for mining or demolition purposes ecks dee

[sharp merlin]

They like tripled the damage of mine going into R5 it’s stupid

[atomic escarp]

they could add mechanics like arcing or minimum arming distance like kf1 and 2

[turbid cliff]

What