gtfo-spoiler-chat

[light lagoon]

Thankfully I realised this and closed the door lest he walk into that room and trigger the scout in there in his panic.

The man also had a PDW Btw, so like, I dunno how he had any excuse not to see that enemy.

[kind swan]

:/

[light lagoon]

Also I'm sorry Wyv,

[kind swan]

me telling my friend to stop flashing enemies when he has PDW

[light lagoon]

I tried out the PDW In that run since we did Secondary and I wanted to be able to comfortably see the shadows.

[hallow lark]

All good lol! You didn’t know that I’m deaf

[light lagoon]

And uh.. not a fan personally.

[light lagoon]

Still not as funny as the good ol' "Why did you aggro them!" when they stood there staring at the enemy with their flashlight on.

[kind swan]

PDW is above average AR dmg with Machine pistol recoil/hipfire/RoF/Range

probably more like pump shotty range but yeah

[light lagoon]

How often I saw my mates doing it and I got blamed for aggros I didn't trigger basically drilled into me the habit of always checking if their lights are on.

[kind swan]

the amount of times people need to yell "LIGHT"

but often times it's too late

[light lagoon]

Though I have had a bug sometimes where apparently my light is on, and yet for me it's clearly off. Only on a few occasions tho.

[manic halo]

spoiler: love being out the map

[kind swan]

it can happen

[light lagoon]

I only have an issue with that tho,

because unlike me, they don't tell me that my light is on.

[manic halo]

lul

[kind swan]

most cases I shine my light close to the enemy but not on them and I get people yelling at me

kek

[light lagoon]

So it has absolutely led to that situation of them only telling me it's on when it's already too late.

I'm just in a constant battle to drill bad habits out of them.

[manic halo]

love the bugs

[hallow lark]

Working on b3 secondary now. Just got into it

[manic halo]

ye

[light lagoon]

Have fun.

[hallow lark]

I’m finally at last CP

[manic halo]

ye we're trying to extract now lol

[hallow lark]

Is Overload a Respawn room?

[shell hamlet]

holy fuck, d2 sure is a level

went through it first time because the other ppl knew what they were doing

lmao

[manic halo]

u need to do overload before secondary

[hallow lark]

Huh?!

[manic halo]

yeah

we didnt either

and we're pissed lol

[hallow lark]

Your kidding?!

Why? And what could possibly be the reason?

[manic halo]

no clue

[hallow lark]

That’s impossible

You can’t do Overload first without bulkkey from secondary

Are you just trolling me?

[manic halo]

secondary is data cube

[hallow lark]

Yes I know

[last gust]

wait, you're on b3 right?

[hallow lark]

Yes

The bulk key is behind the last door

[last gust]

there's no enforced order wrt optionals

gimme a sec, I'll look at the keys on randomkenny's table

[hallow lark]

What I’m trying to say is. There is NO bulkkey in Overload area

[deft kiln]

you are correct

[hallow lark]

So it’s impossible to do Overload first, then secondary

[last gust]

there are bulkhead keys in 110 (main), and 233 (secondary)

[hallow lark]

233 is unlocked AFTER you get final datacube

[manic halo]

oh wait

i must've missed it

[hallow lark]

So you HAVE to complete secondary first then Overload

[last gust]

yes

well

unlock

also you don't technically complete overload until the very end

[hallow lark]

You can’t unlock 233 without picking up datacube

[manic halo]

you can do either

or both

[last gust]

if you want to do both secondary and overload, you need to unlock secondary, do all the cubes, and get the key from 233 to unllock overload with

[manic halo]

if there is a bulkhead at the end of secondary

[hallow lark]

I’m referring in a pe run

[manic halo]

ye

Secondary -> Data Cube (last room apparently) -> Overload -> Main

if bulkhead in last room of secondary

[last gust]

so you can't do overload before secondary

(which means what I said earlier was wrong, but also the "you can't do overload before secondary" is strongly incorrect)

that said, you can do secondary after taking the checkpoint

but you'll be taking the turbine with you to do it

honestly not that bad

[hallow lark]

I’m…not following? Is it a bug?

[last gust]

checkpoint door takes you into the hsu room

at the back of hsu room is the overload bulkhead door

which is not a checkpoint door

[light lagoon]

Since I don't see an answer to the original question, no, it's not a respawn room.

[hallow lark]

If you’re referring to that objective completion glitch/bug… that’s not what I want to do

[last gust]

as long as you haven't used the key on overload, you can still just pick up the fog turbine, go back through the level to the secondary bulkhead dc, and use the key on that instead

I'm not referring to a bug

[light lagoon]

Keep in mind though that picking up the Hi-Sec crate will trigger the Charger Error so it's preferable to clear the OVL Room before you pick it up.

[hallow lark]

Yea. I’m well aware of that

[light lagoon]

I do think you'll have fun with the Error considering you won't be able to hear which direction the waves are spawning from.

[hallow lark]

I ran out of time so I gotta leave the game now

(But the important part is… I learned more about the layout of the level)

[light lagoon]

If you know they're behind you you have so much time to just rush ahead that you can basically just avoid really fighting any waves, especially if you kept the doors open before the checkpoint door so you can close them behind you for more time.

[hallow lark]

Yup. But for the initial waves… they’re the roughest

They can even spawn from those tiny rooms!!

[light lagoon]

Ye.

My experience doing it with bots:
-take the Hi-Sec and drop it at the top of the stairs before going down towards the HSU. You can have the Fog Turbine here as well so you can immediately pick it up.
-have a sentry at the bottom of the stairs facing checkpoint door, this will most likely deal with the Charger waves. The only wave to really be concerned about is the one that immediately spawns outside the HSU Room.
-have a bot pick up the Hi-Sec and push down, use repellers if you have them or just soak up the infection and push forward. You'll most likely encounter the waves around the first normal door on the way back, clear them and close the door behind, then just keep pushing forward. Ideally they'll be spawning behind and you just close the doors you move through
-preferably the left door outside the Class IV Alarm sec door is open, this way you avoid the bot trying to go down the ladder and going all fucky. Hopefully no waves spawn to your left and you just push through all the way into the starting respawn rooms, just go straight up the stairs (ideally no enemies on this path), foam the door and mine it and get to extract and place sentries

It really should only be the initial waves that are concerning

Just.. make sure the bots don't fuck up on the ladder

[velvet blade]

Any tips for dealing with the immortal behemoth/tank in E1?

[grave abyss]

How are people completing R7D1 Solo?! It doesn't give enough time to go between each terminal

[last gust]

probably capping shadows or shooters or something

then kiting them for 2hrs

don't need good terminal luck if you just repeat it between kite loops

[grave abyss]

wym

i mean it literally doesn't give me enough time.

i'll go to the terminal, verify connection and it's like go back to main terminal in 12 seconds.

[last gust]

if you get a terminal that's close enough, then you have enough time to run back to the main terminal, type "con", and hit tab and enter

[grave abyss]

i was kiting shooters.

don't u gotta go to multiple terminals though?

[last gust]

confirm is always on main terminal

[grave abyss]

yes, I know it's init and confirm on main.

but isn't it like old maps where u gotta go to 1 terminal, and verify.

then do the confirm at main, then another and verify

[last gust]

yeah but if you fail, I believe you retry with a different terminal

[grave abyss]

so you just keep failing until it's 1 close enough?

[last gust]

pretty much

[grave abyss]

while kiting the shoots?

[last gust]

ya

[grave abyss]

well then, ugh lmao

i quit because i was kiting them, but it kept giving me far away terminals

[last gust]

hinoki and t-nenpi have done it, could go see for yourself

[grave abyss]

i normally play solo

[last gust]

there are 5 terminals in 194 that could get the verify

[grave abyss]

and sometimes add bots

[last gust]

I'm not a fan of the solos in r7 tbh

[grave abyss]

it kept giving me terminals in 196

[last gust]

but also I'm not a fan of capping

[velvet flower]

4, the one used for init* and confirm* cannot be chosen to verify.

[grave abyss]

I'd LOVE to find a group for maps but people usually don't like the way I play lmao

[last gust]

huh, could've sworn I saw it get the verify once

but I wasn't paying attention

I'm probably wrong

[grave abyss]

so i solo then add bots on harder parts.

unless I can kite.

[last gust]

I kinda just hit init and listened to my duos partner being confused about where the verify terminal was, while I went to hold

[velvet flower]

There is another way to solo the time sequence provided by wesley: you just input multiple confirm command and they'll queue up so after you verify the confirm will be automatically completed.

[grave abyss]

cute.

that seems not planned and buggy

[strange junco]

terminal seems to queue your inputs while a command is being run

so it /may/ be intentional

[turbid cliff]

Welcome to gtfo

[fallow delta]

I just checked, it says 0.5 on the data sheet i am using for R6

Oh i see, i said the wrong thing

Hip fire*

Not spread

Hip spread? Eh whatever, you get it. Shooting without ADS

[trim jacinth]

Yo so I need a cell for C1 and I used 4 to get to the end

How/where can I find the last one to do the overload? Am I supposed to not use one on one of the two generators in the 2nd set of doors?

[strange junco]

doesnt c1 only have main

am i missing something

[trim jacinth]

Oh I thought it had more

I died looking for a cell because it said to query for a cell to open zone 19

[fallow delta]

Did you query it?

[trim jacinth]

yeah

there are only 4 cells on the entire map

I used all 4 to get to the end

But there is a locked door without power

[fallow delta]

Mh.. i only did it once without an issue so not sure

[trim jacinth]

Yeah confirming there's a generator that I need a cell for

[velvet flower]

You simply cannot open every zone in C1 legit.

[trim jacinth]

If it's only main, it doesn't matter then

[velvet flower]

Yep, it doesn't matter.

[trim jacinth]

Well RIP to me being an idiot and wasting a good chunk of time looking for a cell lol

[turbid cliff]

No those are the same thing

I don't know what sheet you looked at but it's wrong

[fallow delta]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=381478729

^

[last gust]

yeah I think the sheet's wrong about the r6 number

[fallow delta]

It never felt THAT accurate to me anyways

So probably

[last gust]

stormpooper's probably about to dig up the datablock or something

khepri has it as 2.5

[turbid cliff]

Already did earlier

[fallow delta]

Khepri has a data sheet as well?

[turbid cliff]

Ereggia posted numbers from the datablocks as well so must've misread there or something

[last gust]

khepri has a weapon tier list video for r6 with stats included

he stopped making videos before r7

[fallow delta]

I see, thanks for pointing it out.
@hallow lark ^

I wonder if hipspread at 1 means no spread for the pistol

0 is probably no spread doh

[strong kayak]

How big is the apparel pool? do we have a rough idea yet?

[last gust]

someone knows, there are youtube videos showing off all the apparel

[strong kayak]

ty sir, looks like the modding community knows

[strange junco]

i just got 2 snatchers spawned on me wtf

d1 solo w/ bots??

[mortal granite]

should send a log file

[fallow delta]

D1 sends snatchers periodically i believe

[strange junco]

i know, but isnt it supposed to send 1 at a time

[last gust]

well known to be bugged for multiplayer

for 1 person with bots, I'm not so sure

[velvet flower]

It's a known bug, D1 overload can spawn 2 or 3 snatchers very often, 4+ is reported but seems rarer.

[last gust]

someone did report multi-snatcher waves solo recently (can't remember whether it was with bots), fwiw

but otherwise the belief has been that you consistently get 1 snatcher if you're solo

and some random amount with multiple players

it's definitely meant to be 1, though

[mortal granite]

imma, test something

guys

how do you drop fps

i turned on Full graphic + bloom

[nocturne flax]

Cap fps

[mortal granite]

ok

nope

[kind swan]

"Feature"

[dusty junco]

We got any information on the spooky "talking" white monster schafer talks about in R6?

[mortal granite]

it's dead in R6DX

[kind swan]

[vocal geode]

blals

[kind swan]

Specimen is dead

Schaeffer beat the shit out of it

He really couldn't answer the cat or dog person question

[vocal geode]

low intelligence specimen

oh wait I can post embeds here

this is the specimen

[strange junco]

i never realized how pain in the ass class x alarms are in d1

for shit and giggles i decided to do class x instead of the room scan error

[half hornet]

hehe

welcome to pain

[kind swan]

Charger class X vs charger class V is way too vast imo

Class X one seemingly has immensely more chargers than Class V

Or my team just sucked ass but who knows

[mortal granite]

it is the same amount of charger

[kind swan]

shrugs

I've only attempted the class X once

But the number was seemingly way more than Class V

How many chargers are in the wave normally?

[mortal granite]

max cap?

like 23 or so

they can't spawn more than that, unless the devs make a new system to bypass it

[kind swan]

I guess. A better way to say it is. Class v feels like diminished waves

[deft kiln]

class v also has nicer rng than the class x idk

[mortal granite]

it's like a reward for people to do the override

oh, APG cable broke

i can finally test the cell bug

1kb download speed

[last gust]

a class X should feel heavier than two class V's

since it takes a while for the waves to show up when you start an alarm

but backup spawns are pretty prompt after you've killed some threshold of enemies

I've noticed that that alarm is pretty peaceful for the first few scans

which makes sense, they have to cross a pretty large room to get to you

[strange junco]

be a mad man and do 2 class X

[hard cape]

First time we didn't know about the bypass. Tried class x alarm couple times and beat it. As long as there is enough ammo, class 10 alarm is not crazy(compared to r6 d4 first alarm when I had to use all my c foam)

[wary olive]

there isnt even enough ammo for the first class X

[strange junco]

isnt first class x like shadow waves

[mortal granite]

shadow wave

really slow

[wary olive]

the first class X is not that bad even if you dont have enough ammo, the shadows are easy enough to melee towards the end

[mortal granite]

feel like first class X is easy enough if you have sniper sentry + bio ping?

[wary olive]

yeah probably, also the terrain is pretty good for melee too, you can use corners

if you're host

[mortal granite]

client should just fight in the open if they're afraid of sniper melee

[wary olive]

climb up ladder to little ledge, jump down smash one, repeat

i have not tried the charger class X though

[mortal granite]

try it

the scan will punish you more

since instead of first static team scan

it will be a random team scan

your first scan can just be at the security door just to mess with you

[wary olive]

i will try it when overload gets fixed

if*

[mortal granite]

fix it yourself

kick everyone out of your lobby

[wary olive]

[mortal granite]

honestly

2 snatchers is the true overload

1 snatcher is kinda boring

[wary olive]

is it same cause that make 6 hybrid in r6c2 extreme?

[mortal granite]

is that a pre-nerf version?

[wary olive]

uhh

i think pre-nerf was 4 hybrids right?

it could bug and you get 8 every wave

[mortal granite]

oh

i got that

[wary olive]

😈

[mortal granite]

somehow, it is reasonably hard

[wary olive]

Actually that part is one of the very few instances where you need coordination and teamwork in r6 in my opinion

[mortal granite]

well

isn't that the reason we play a team game?

[wary olive]

League of legends.....

[mortal granite]

i haven't heard that game since 2019

[light lagoon]

Honestly I think that's what happened when my team did it.

I remember running back and forth between both sec doors constantly.

[mortal granite]

that's your usual 2nd class X scan

[light lagoon]

Still not as cursed as when the scans in the Class IV During error go into that other half of the room and go up the stairs as well.

[mortal granite]

the error one?

that's the 4 splits scan

[light lagoon]

Ye the Error one.

[mortal granite]

it's going from the door back to the sec door

and from the sec door

back to the ground floor

[light lagoon]

Do be like that sometimes.

[mortal granite]

and then the last scan

go from the sec door, to the other side of the area

[light lagoon]

That just looks like pain.

[mortal granite]

the guy with the c foam launcher and got all the tool in 2 zones be like: "Are you guys done yet?"

he has been c foam for at least 1 minute and 30 seconds

[light lagoon]

See my team did it originally with two sentries + mines + bio, but I'm genuinely considering the C-Foam just for the possibility of cursed scans like that (we had really tame scans that mostly just stayed around the door).

The two sentries were more comfortable for the Class X Charger tho I feel, but since we won't be running on a time limit on our OVL Attempt I'll probably actually push for getting the terminal to lower it.

[mortal granite]

you could do it with 2 sentries

but you also need 2 player to defend while other 2 player do scan

[light lagoon]

One of those things where imma test it myself with bots, and then also run it by my team and see what they'd prefer.

I'd love to have them actually try out both in test runs and then judge which they feel is better for a proper run, but they don't believe in doing anything like that.

[mortal granite]

i beat the error alarm + snatcher alarm with bot

[minor kettle]

what's the point of 2 birther room an 2 tank room in d1? we finished the level yesterday and realised we never had to step into those rooms at all

[plush basin]

Decreasing the class X charger alarm to class V

[fallow delta]

Birther? I just found 2 tanks yesterday

[royal lichen]

key to decreasing terminal can be either or

[fallow delta]

Oh, i see

[minor kettle]

the class X decrese alarms were past the error alarm, 2 tanks and 2 birthers were in the zones opposite

oh wait no the second door decrease terminal was there

but anyway it was in another room

the subzones with tanks/birthers we had no reason to step into at all, was that just lucky?

[mortal granite]

there is a terminal in zone 204 (or 224 i don't remember)

you need a key from tank or mother zone

[minor kettle]

the key to 204 was in a room with a lone charger seeker

which we promptly glued up and smacked

[mortal granite]

so ye, you got lucky

that should be the tank zone

[royal lichen]

heh, last time we opened the second door, i warned bro "second tank", he crouch-walked in and clonked a padlock on a locker next to the door, woke everything up 😄 "sowwyyy"

age old wisdom "clear first loot second" is not 100% ingrained yet

[mortal granite]

D1 was really chilled

last time i played it, we got mom room

i was going to tell my team to kill the moms too

since we have enough ammo

[royal lichen]

timed terminal waves should be fromelevator imho, not fun running all the way east thru a horde that spawned

[mortal granite]

timed terminal?

the end part?

[strange junco]

yea

[mortal granite]

eh, not that bad

i got 3/5 terminal in the deep ease/west

enemy only spawn 3 at a time

[royal lichen]

the 4 terminal stuff, get a terminal in the last room of the sidezone, waves spawn right there.. its ok but kinda messes up defense, maybe in a good way tho

[plush basin]

if they always spawned from elevator you could have a guy in each side zone from the start which would finish the wave even quicker than you do now

[mortal granite]

from my experience

you could send 2 guy in east and west zone

2 in the middle so the spawn don't get blocked

you can actually block spawn and messed up the middle guy

i was the middle guy

[royal lichen]

yeh no fun when they drop on the middle guy

especially confirm 4, heeeere's tanky

[mortal granite]

honestly, that part is too chilled

need more enemy or something threaten

[plush basin]

I've not actually tried D1 overload after the fix but just main I would say the only hard part is the charger alarm (Class X)

[mortal granite]

3 enemies spawn on all side

[mortal granite]

IF you do class X

class V is really easy to do

[plush basin]

yeah but then you have to spend 40 minutes in stealth

[royal lichen]

the error class iv is aggravatingly slow, and cheese or not the cancel-shadow-area stuff even with deactivation can get hairy

[plush basin]

bleh

[mortal granite]

nah, you don't have snatcher on your tail

[royal lichen]

alltho mining the 3 area doors can trivialize the whole thing, y did we not

[mortal granite]

3 sniper sentry and you basically don't have to worry a single thing

[royal lichen]

that is a true statement right there, sniper sentry truly op

[mortal granite]

i think i have a spot for the sentry for all 3 sides

[royal lichen]

just covering the 2 doors to terminal could suffice

[mortal granite]

unless you have a shadow wave, the sniper sentry will clear everything

except snatcher of course

[royal lichen]

d1 is growing on me, is a cool run with the varying action

[mortal granite]

about time

i will convert every member of this discord to play D1

[royal lichen]

c2 d1 all smiles, d2 is the most loved on r7, should go in there more

[plush basin]

my problem with D1 (again main only) is it feels like a large part of my time is running around looking for resources after the error section or before the end sequence

relative to the actual action

lots of stuff spread across some big areas

[mortal granite]

you could go look for resources

[royal lichen]

garden mazes with all the siderooms and endless stairs and ladders having surprising lockers, getting lost from and to

[mortal granite]

or you could go to mom/tank zone

[royal lichen]

terminal pings something in area C upstairs, then run around 15 minutes trying to get there 😄

(floodways was exactly the same before we learned)

[hexed vapor]

Dunno about floodways being that hard of a tile set, but we spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how to set up for the second-to-last alarm on B1 before we said fuck it, closed every door, and then set up on all of them.

That tile is uber confusing first time.

[mortal granite]

just monkey your way out of b1

[royal lichen]

hmm we kinda figured out the scaler-mentioned doors-open stuff doing it first time, "they'll have to come from b or c, up here are doors to both and they all come down this hallway after" .. it worked.. on subsequent runs the scan migrated right to that last door and we ate our own sentries going there

then assumed endless extraction waves and wiped in the frayed panic. imho that ending could've and should've been an error-

[craggy tangle]

guys why are there so many giants spawning in d2

way too many

it's like 20+ giants chasing us in the end

and they keep spawning

[fierce laurel]

yessir

tis D2

[craggy tangle]

impressive

[hexed vapor]

Don't defend in the hallways.

The hallways punish you for holding in them for too long.

You want to have plans to fall back into the hub zones eventually.

[craggy tangle]

so if we stay in hallways for too long, there will be more giants spawning?

once we open 213 it's like there are only big chargers spawning

its crazy

[hexed vapor]

Yes, you probably want to move into the hub zone before you even open one of the sides.

Waves ramp up to like 6+ per wave after a short while.

[craggy tangle]

that should be the reason

is hub zone the area with a lot of boxes?

[hexed vapor]

Yes. By "hub" I mean any zone that connects to 4 other zones.

So, past the hallway, before the next hallway, between 212 and 213.

[nocturne flax]

Floodways its more flat than my ass

[craggy tangle]

and zone214 is a hallway too

so we should not stay in 214 for too long right?

[nocturne flax]

Gardens do be havinf a lot of hidden path in some of the rooms like in d1 that give the sleepers the uperhand

[hexed vapor]

Yep. You can play to hold their longer, but the waves will be more difficult as a result.

[craggy tangle]

we are gonna give another try tomorrow

[hexed vapor]

Gardens are really good at feeling big tbh.

Verticality and the really high ceiling make the rooms feel huge.

[craggy tangle]

ty so much bro

[nocturne flax]

The only hard room to setup in floodways is the big room from r5c1/r7d1

[hexed vapor]

Np

[craggy tangle]

we dont even know that punishment lol

[nocturne flax]

Geomorpth_floodways_64x64 gang risw

😫 😫 🐸 🐸

[nocturne flax]

It does, but i do think they make sleepers more predictable

Every room you can funnel like crazy

[hexed vapor]

True.

But decent players could funnel in most situations anyway.

You just fall back until you have a good funnel.

[nocturne flax]

Yeah but awas you kinda had to know your tiles tbh, garden its heaven for helgun

Imagine if we had hel rifle still

[hexed vapor]

Bruh

[nocturne flax]

1 sleeper gets trough the sentries

runs inmediatly to a small door to funnel (its a dig site room)

[craggy tangle]

wait but how do we know there is a punishment for staying too long in hallways

[hexed vapor]

Experience.

Waves in hub zone even after a huge amount of time wasted are baby ez

[craggy tangle]

we always think it's the best way to defend in hallways

damn

didnt even try to defend in hub zone

[fierce laurel]

dropping them beforehand doesn't work

having the affected person and another non host back out then swap join positions can fix it

uh

cry

probably not much you can do

its been two years

maybe they'll return in another two

[wary olive]

the alarm door is the south security door, and they can spawn in the east room

[last gust]

^They also spawn one room to the west, not two

North door is closed at time of scan

[craggy tangle]

is the immortal tank still in the map after teleportation?

e1

he's still in the map wtf

[fierce laurel]

u tp

he runs after u

u tp back

he gon

he come bacc later

[craggy tangle]

it's bug maybe

we tp back and he is still here

[fierce laurel]

o

weird

[grizzled ravine]

Unfortunate. Gotta bring in the 10CC comment about having a skill issue

[half hornet]

Yep, bots tend to do that

Their revival priority is crazy

[hallow lark]

It’s also a massive waste if two bots with meds try to heal you resulting in losses of medpacks

[nocturne flax]

Thats either bugged or they didnt code it for bots

Bots do just send 1 guy to revive a player, i dont know if they didnt pogram. That. For the bots

[atomic escarp]

"what if we used 0% of the brain"
-GTFO bots

[jaunty lava]

Is there a way to combat the rise of fog at the start of C2?

[woeful karma]

run fast

[jaunty lava]

like, a supply room with fog repeller

[atomic escarp]

inhale all of it into your lungs, boom no more fog

[woeful karma]

there are fog repellers around but the only sure way to make it stop rising is to insert the cells into the gen cluster

oh you said start

nah just go faster

[vocal geode]

GTFO: Work Vacuum together or Die together

[atomic escarp]

lmao

the smoker squad

[solemn wigeon]

You can do the entirety of the scan at the start of C2 without standing in fog, and you'll always be able to see every enemy

[light lagoon]

The fog should only be a concern if you're slow tbh.

[rancid basalt]

you can fall thru the floor here in b1. it's a seam in the floor

[velvet flower]

If you're solo solo, nothing can really help except pure boosters. Otherwise just do the scan fast.

[prisma zodiac]

huh? dont team scans move the same speed solo and 4 man?

[devout flicker]

they do pretty sure, only big reds go slower if you're alone

[mortal granite]

i can confirm that

the wave will still continue even when you finished the overload uplink in C3

[strange junco]

yea

[mortal granite]

and also

the wave will also be the same AFTER the timer end

also, if you have the terminal bug in overload, just use the terminal that have "Uplink_confirm" command and type that in

you'll skip the uplink connect command

[dusty junco]

Bots are either blind or john wick in fights

[obtuse surge]

team scans are slower with less people

we complain about it 2 years ago

but as you can see they struggle more and more with just keeping the game working for the intended group size

so despite how easy it might be to make team scans unaffected by team size it probably wont happen soon

[turbid egret]

What should they do? Hire more people? Hire different people? Need more money?

[obtuse surge]

as someone who can only see the end result that's not for me to answer

[plush basin]

Bit of a guess but maybe more developers? Seems like they have a lot of people covering a lot of other bases but the biggest problem right now is bugs. Artists and designers aren't gonna be the best suited to deal with that

[turbid egret]

They need moar talent. To get moar talent, they need moar 🤑 . To get moar 🤑 they need micro transactions 🪦

[obtuse surge]

i think a lot of vets were willing to pay more for extra stuff

but probably not anymore until they fix the game

[dusty junco]

Game is not in a state that would reasonably justify microtransactions

[turbid egret]

I don't think that's the point of micro transactions

[dusty junco]

The point of microtransactions is trading community goodwill for money, and they don't have s lot to spend lol

[turbid egret]

the point of micro transaction is to make money from those that are willing to pay. period.

[dusty junco]

Knowing the devs I wouldn't be suprised

[turbid egret]

Ouch

[kind swan]

Where is my cosmetic Drip at

I need Shirtless Hackett Drip

[mossy marsh]

lmao

D1 moment?

hmm

max I got on B3 was like 4gb wtf

[turbid egret]

Just get more ram 🧠

[half hornet]

Reduce texture quality or something

[summer plank]

man 3-4 snatchers per wave in D1 are not cool

[mossy marsh]

you streaming lossless or what?

I have never seen obs consuming a lot of ram

[mossy marsh]

at best that will only reduce vram

[nocturne flax]

Lemme tell you about the time i did thst by accident when recording a vid

And got a wooping 250 gb file

[mossy marsh]

pfff

I have a whole drive dedicated to lossless recording lol

1 GB p/minute more or less

[nocturne flax]

You tweaking

[jaunty lava]

Anyone got tips/recs for D1?

[velvet flower]

Learn how to deal with snatchers. Bring specials that's good against snatchers(choke mod/HCP/sniper...etc), doors/ladders are good funnel point for them. Bring your tools based on the route you're planning to take.

[mortal granite]

hide behind some boxes/wall

[dusty junco]

lol

He doesn't have enough pylons

[jaunty lava]

Does D2 have good number of shadows?

[errant vigil]

depends on which side you get

[mortal granite]

anyone know what with the locked terminal in the first zone of overload?

[vague mauve]

you mean C3?

[mortal granite]

yup

forgot to put in the level

[velvet flower]

Trying to punish you if you'd like to find the 7 use of ammopack there.

[mortal granite]

well, we got the 7 uses ammo pack anyway i think

but where is the password?

[hexed vapor]

Iirc it's not actually set to be anywhere.

I'm not sure what it defaults to, but I know it can spawn in 331.

I already brought this up like a week ago, lmao.

It's probably an oversight.

There's nothing on the terminal.

[mortal granite]

damn

[lethal helm]

Ayo I got to ask, in C3 Overload, is the 2nd terminal not in the same zone as the 1st one? Edit: Talking about the uplink ones

[mortal granite]

you have more than 2 terminal spawn in each zone

[lethal helm]

I noticed that when we had our 2nd terminal in zone 331 and the 1st is like near the entrance?

I just thought maybe it was a bug cause they were like so far away from each other

[mortal granite]

it's rng

[lethal helm]

Cool, and btw how many verifications was it in total? We died and gave up without knowing

[mortal granite]

3 per uplink

[lethal helm]

okay, ty

[hoary musk]

Damn just had my first E1 session. Got 3 rooms into the mothers and then we got rekt. No checkpoints in E1?

[upbeat patrol]

Nope

[hoary musk]

Oof haha. I wonder if Kevin makes it back from. The desert zone later on

[real moss]

No CP like it should be. Mission is pretty short as well

[half hornet]

Oh, i didn't even noticed that it has no CPs

[hard horizon]

You dont feel very short when its your first time and average skill issue.

[half hornet]

I got carried hard so it was indeed surprisingly fast... Well, as fast as it can get i suppose

some 40-50 minutes?

[hard horizon]

You just pray rng where mother would locate spawn at and also charger scout.

[half hornet]

I just received orders where to stand and shoot while the other 2 guys did all the real work

[real moss]

With time you'll learn it yourself

[half hornet]

I doubt i'll replay it

I don't have the time

[real moss]

And then carry time

[queen field]

Time ?

Not boredom ?

😳

[half hornet]

Spoiler: other games exist

I need to finish my warframe grind and get all tenet weapons to 60%

Also i can't watch youtube videos while playing GTFO

[real moss]

lies

[half hornet]

So it badly hurts my youtube backlog grind as well

[hard horizon]

Having 2 monitor watching youtube and other player being slowpoke processing what to do.

[half hornet]

I'm afraid my card will fucking burn if i'll do that

Not to mention that the 2nd monitor just wont fit on my table i think

[hard horizon]

Easy to make DIY wooden table and paint with it cheap

[half hornet]

I genuinely enjoy playing GTFO, but it completely destroys the efficiency of grinding anything else

[real moss]

Tbh gtfo has srsly hurt my gaming backlog . Only Elden Ring was worth a break

[half hornet]

Oh god, don't remind me

Where the fuck did i last saved even?

Let me check my recordings

[real moss]

Oh no I 100% that game in 2 weeks, could not put the game down

[half hornet]

Oh right!

[real moss]

And then back to gtfo 😂

[half hornet]

I got killed by a giant lobster

[light lagoon]

One of a great many giant lobsters.

[half hornet]

That was 25.04.2022

[real moss]

Fun area

[light lagoon]

There's atleast two areas with 'em,

Liurnia and the snowfields (whatever that place was called, the lake covered in mist).

[half hornet]

No spoilers please

Yes, i know this is a spoiler chat, but not that kind of spoiler chat

[light lagoon]

[half hornet]

When was my next vacation again...

have they fixed the performance yet?

45 average FPS is real nice experience enhancer

I feel like i'm back to 10 y.o. playing vidya games on my Pentium II with unnamed GPU

[hoary musk]

Maybe the E1 concept is not for me. I like weird and difficult challenges, like Kevin.
Lengthwise E1 seems on par with the longer levels, judging by how fast Fireblade gets through. Kevin pressures you to not take too long, that nice at least. But dying to stealth almost an hour in is pain.
I like to have a checkpoint so i can feel out a section without as much punishment.
But i guess E1 is meant to be grinded once youre done with everything else, and it seems to be good for that

[half hornet]

Yeah...

I'm scared to think what first time attempts on that shit look like

The veterans made the level seem like nothing, but only because they knew exactly what to do, where to go, blah blah blah

Also some exploit during the planetside section

[fierce laurel]

the first time I played the level we made it to the room scan

we quickly figured you could get it stuck in a corner so we had someone eat dinner babysitting it while we looted

[half hornet]

I got to babysit the guy a little bit.

Watching him powerwalk towards you is scary and hilarious at the same time

But he's a little bit silly for sure

[fierce laurel]

having an unkilliable enemy is cool

but I think it should be chasing you while you run through room after room

similar to say R5D2

[half hornet]

I guess that was supposed to be the idea

But he's just too passive for it

Or maybe it was intended to be that way...

All brawl, 0 brains

If he was actually agressive the rest of the level would be impossible

[fierce laurel]

it becomes babysitting simulator

it slows down instead of speeding up

[atomic escarp]

tank ai be like

except they just made it worse

[half hornet]

Tanks don't intimidation-walk towards you

I mean they do, but not like this guy does

[atomic escarp]

it's literally tank ai but they removed strafing

so it's easier to get him stuck

[mortal portal]

Also tank tends to rush you sometimes

[half hornet]

Yep

[mortal portal]

This one kinda doesn't

[atomic escarp]

it does if you're far enough

[mortal portal]

So it makes it even more passive

[atomic escarp]

just like a tank

🤯

[half hornet]

He approaches some 15m and then just slows down to a crawl

[mortal portal]

I know, but sometimes tank also runs at you when you're in LOS

I've experienced that before

[atomic escarp]

because it was targeting someone else which it doesn't have los

so it rushes despite you having los

[mortal portal]

Idk, never seen the immortal do that

Guess I have experience issue

[kind swan]

casually make the Tank as fast as babies

hehe

[deft kiln]

i mean while we are at it might as well as make them as small as babies

tank babies

[half hornet]

How about we make him super agressive, but deal like no damage at all

He keeps nibbling on your knees

And as long as you can make stop for half-a-minute you'll get your HP back

[neat sluice]

When trying to get the 4th code, does the immortal spawn as you open the door or as you put in the last code?

[velvet flower]

Neither, as you approach to the 4th terminal

[kind swan]

Immortal but he flies

[strange junco]

immortal scout

good luck

[kind swan]

Immortal scouts are meh. Just avoid them

Make a scout that has more tendrils and the tendrils will seek out and home towards the players

Could also make the tendrils go out faster

[candid olive]

i am never going to touch god damn c1 after i finish THIS LAST PART

[hard cape]

What does "Terminal Use " booster do?

[velvet flower]

Make your uplink faster

[kind swan]

Those arent obtainable anymore as far as I know.

[velvet flower]

They aren't since R6.

[kind swan]

Only ones you'll see are old ones people still have from R5/R4

R6 didnt have Terminal speed for as long as I played it

[hard cape]

So they are useless...

[velvet flower]

Those are annoying to use boosters anyway.

[mossy marsh]

they still work

but are unobtainable now

[kind swan]

Outside of uplinks. Pretty much

[velvet flower]

It forces to stay in terminal when doing terminal uplink.

[kind swan]

[mossy marsh]

you have to use terminal to use the terminal

[hard cape]

https://tenor.com/view/sakshi-okay-gif-24764953

[limber salmon]

anyone know how you unlock E1?

[light lagoon]

Complete main on every other mission.

[limber salmon]

@light lagoon ty

[hasty fox]

yo me and my mate are stuck on B1 "Cargo" and cant figure out the hydo gen thing

is the cell anywhere inparticular

[hard cape]

find a terminal and query

[hasty fox]

cant find the hydo cell lol

like we did that and its not pinging lol

it pings the gen

but yea

[velvet flower]

list cell
query cell_xxx

[hasty fox]

life saver thx dude

[mortal granite]

terminal use is basically used for the older uplink objective

we have like 12 uplink in old rundown

[mossy marsh]

mfw 8 code reactor

[real moss]

R2D2 was 10 iirc

[atomic escarp]

10 codes and based

they don't make reactors like they used to

r5c2ex was equally as based

[errant vigil]

Idk R2D2 didn't have chargers

[prisma zodiac]

a modernized version of r2d2, (with an added on PE) would be so fucking based

Chargers, moms, tanks, snatcher?

[real moss]

seeing this rundown: they just don't make reactors anymore. (except the one)

[errant vigil]

Did R5 have a 12 code terminal

[atomic escarp]

it was 10

r5c1ex

[errant vigil]

that's what I thought

[real moss]

Yeah 10 shadow codes

[atomic escarp]

well technically 22 total

:^)

cuz haha 3 uplinks are FUN

[real moss]

24*

[atomic escarp]

was it 7 code each on high

i forgor

[real moss]

pretty sure the 2 in normal was 7

I'll check one of these days

[atomic escarp]

yea 24

[prisma zodiac]

i miss reactors

[paper harness]

yeah but people just brought double cfoam and had a fun and interactive game

wdym we still have reactors in the game

[prisma zodiac]

eh

[mossy marsh]

mfw cheese

[queen field]

R4C1 ex

[real moss]

1

[mortal granite]

1 is enough

[prisma zodiac]

no

if its a reactor of the level of r2d2, maybe

reactor levels (if you dont personally despise them) are some of the best there are

[real moss]

I actually like reactors, so a 2nd one at least would have been nice

[prisma zodiac]

its actually so sad that its only in the 2nd half of E1 aswell

[real moss]

We still lack in the ovl/sec department so there is room

[prisma zodiac]

r4 had one in b1 ext, one in d1 main and the e1 ext
R5 had b1 overload, c2 ext and d2 main (tho also only 2nd half)

[real moss]

It also means that a lot of newer players will not learn/know about reactors this rundown

[prisma zodiac]

yep

i get that most levels rn wouldnt rly fit reactors as extra levels but its still sad

[real moss]

True it would not fit the current set

inb4 R8 has 5 reactor 😅

[prisma zodiac]

but add a d3 with reactor and ez pez sexy

I wouldnt mind if they are distinctive

1 easy free code intro

and then 1 with teleports maybe

[real moss]

You could have one in early rundown with only free codes like R6D1, get new guys accustomed

[prisma zodiac]

ye

[real moss]

Then later you make a good one

[prisma zodiac]

Lol, imagine a reactor with a reverse gen cluster mechanic

[real moss]

deeper in the rundown

[prisma zodiac]

every code increases fog levels slowly

forcing you to hold from elsewhere

[real moss]

Sounds good

[prisma zodiac]

would probably need a disinfect station once or twice if its infectous (unless its end game tier)

but strategically a cool idea

[mortal granite]

isn't we already had that?

i don't remember which level, but we have that one before

[queen field]

I don't remember a reactor doing this

[mortal granite]

A3?

[queen field]

R4D2 ex, R5B4 & R6C3 had fog increasing slowly over time

Which A3 ?

[mortal granite]

i'll go find the vid

idk if it is A3

nah

idk if you can actually solo E1 reactor without spawn capping

[prisma zodiac]

r6d3 also had fog slowly increasing overtime with an optional
But none of those have it on code input, which makes it less a "rush and you can ignore it" and moreso a thing you HAVE to strategize around

[mortal granite]

you could also throw a fog repeller and deal with the wave

so unless you want a fog rising level with code input

you have to either, spawn fog repeller in the last code zone or spawn none at all to make player move around

or else they would go: "Hey, this spot is good, i'll never move from this spot, even though the fog is rising and block my vision"

[prisma zodiac]

thats thinking that you get fog repellers

[mortal granite]

another factor is that, player will grab bio tracker

it's a gimmick level that would 100% work if the player is first trying the level

[prisma zodiac]

its an interesting level idea that would need to be expanded upon to be fully interesting

[mortal granite]

yup

R7E1 i think it's a fine level

putting a snatcher in i think would make the level more interesting, at the reactor part

[queen field]

you can't

[real moss]

A snatcher with a set path to release players at the pMom

[mortal granite]

have anyone actually tried?

[queen field]

You just can't lol

It has been done in duo

Good luck trying to clean wave 4 solo

[mortal granite]

i think guessing the code still count?

[atomic escarp]

you seem like you'd know how to do it solo legitimately

why not try it 😊

[silent kettle]

the moment the tank shows up the solo holder is fucked if continues to solo

[queen field]

the tank isn't the issue here

you can do tanks solo

the issue is having to deal with 2 big chargers + ~10 chargers coming at you at the same time

Consistently

• the flyers

• the wave spawning behind you

• the tank

[silent kettle]

u spend too long solo tank

and cannot prep for wave 4

not to mention wave 4 is another tank so no point in buffering the progress by soloing tank

chargers are just the immediate threat everyone takes notice of but you can solo those by falling back

just need to catch up after which isnt done alone

[atomic escarp]

if you're using sniper for tank, then you'll die from waves

if you're using hc for waves, then you'll take too much time on tank

no time for code 3

chargers are whatever, because you can bring sniper sentry

[silent kettle]

^

[atomic escarp]

i literally did the class 5 with sniper sentry solo and hold even with the immortal

didn't even kite

but burnt like

[silent kettle]

the reason i say its over with soloing when tank shows up wave 3 is because of the everlasting effects it has on wave 4 where you have no chance to solo charger part cause lack of prep

[atomic escarp]

3 uses of ammo

[silent kettle]

but with prep you just need help catching up on flyer part

[atomic escarp]

like even if you're perfect with all your shots, you're not gonna have enough ammo for wave 4

let's assume, you're 100%, brought the 4 use from charger spawn zone after arena

first wave, you got a lucky mine, you'll burn 2 uses on wave 1, 2 uses on wave 2, at least 2 uses from wave, then 2 uses on tank

4 uses left but giant chargers and final tank

and at least 2 waves of strikers

don't forget the high chance of waking up shadows on 2nd and 3rd code

and a high chance of repeating cuz the lack of time on 3rd code

then again i think it's technically possible with agg provision, 5/13% main dmg and something on bold

but you have to repeat 3rd code lole

and not get fucked by shadows

or the spawns in 3rd code zone

[silent kettle]

ew boosters

[half hornet]

boosters are cool

[atomic escarp]

you could also trade a 3 use with something in reactor

but i don't think that's worth it

unless you got regen cap

:^)

[uneven verge]

AAAAAAAAA D1 CHECKPOINT IS CURSED

[kind swan]

What the baby doin?

[turbid egret]

Dreaming about murder

[fallow wasp]

reminiscing about the good old days when it was still vacuum sealed

[distant chasm]

i just beat D1

worst level yet

(havent played e1)

[half hornet]

Worst on what scale / what reasons

Difficult? Ugly? Boring? Broken?

[nocturne flax]

Probably broken kekw

[pulsar grotto]

D1 Buggiest level this rundown, poorly optimised

I like the premise tho

Of having multiple optional objectives

Having more than 1 route for Main

[mortal granite]

should move you to this instead, since i can post picture

it range around 60 - 90% cpu and only 5GB ram uses when i play E1

[half hornet]

33 MS Edges

[mortal granite]

i opened like, 22 tabs

oh ye

33

and i also play D1 with 33 tabs open as well

so it made me wonder why people getting screw in D1

texture size = quarter = 3GB

[obtuse surge]

🌬️

[paper harness]

D1 is finished, and it doesn't have a memory leak.
It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

[mortal granite]

funny enough, i did a little test around D1

the problem that drop fps is because of the machine at the end of the level

so if you looked at the direction that pointed at the machine will tank your fps

[paper harness]

D1 is finished, and it doesn't have a memory leak.
It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

[mortal granite]

[paper harness]

Fun fact, did you know:

D1 is finished, and it doesn't have a memory leak.
It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

[mortal granite]

you know, he's not wrong

it's big ass fucking level with a lot of garden tile (big tile)

[paper harness]

Yeah I know

But did you know D1 is finished, and it doesn't have a memory leak.
It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

[mortal granite]

[paper harness]

I'm not sure if you knew that, so I wanted to tell you that D1 is finished, and it doesn't have a memory leak.
It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

[wary olive]

D1 = GTFO pot of greed?

[paper harness]

So you mean balanced and completely nothing wrong with it?

:^)

[wary olive]

nono the pot of greed meme

[paper harness]

Oh so you meant Pot of Greed is finished, and it doesn't have a memory leak.
It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

I see

[grizzled ravine]

But what does it do

[pulsar grotto]

Pot of Greed!

This card allows me-

[grizzled ravine]

Find 3 GLP/OSIPs and 1 Cell usually at the bottom of room B.

Secondary bulkhead will unlock when you put in the 6th cell.

[kind swan]

yep

ngl overload is disappointing

[pulsar grotto]

Mmm

That Meatball scan is kinda easy

[kind swan]

the only threat was the shockers imo

[pulsar grotto]

shockers?

[kind swan]

the bigger meatball

[pulsar grotto]

oh the large meatball

[kind swan]

ye

[pulsar grotto]

Spicy meatball

[kind swan]

they call it a shocker because of the charging effect

[fierce laurel]

C2ovl is the best obj when people do it the intended way

[kind swan]

I actually have a ss of one we had that got stuck from my c2 pe run

[fierce laurel]

but people just prefer to do it the easy way

[pulsar grotto]

whas the easy way?

5/6 fog glitch?

[fierce laurel]

no fog glitch

just 5/6

[pulsar grotto]

righhht

[fierce laurel]

3/4 is the intended way

but its much much harder

and more fun

[pulsar grotto]

3/4 is insanity lol

[fierce laurel]

yeah my team did it 3/4 cuz we didn't know 5/6 was a thing

[pulsar grotto]

I did 5/6 with fog

[fierce laurel]

thats why I love C2PE

[kind swan]

#gtfo-media the said stuck shocker

[pulsar grotto]

was still kind easier than other OVL

[fierce laurel]

yeah

its kind of a cheese ngl

[kind swan]

that big happens after checkpoint iirc

[fierce laurel]

its clearly not made for 5/6

[kind swan]

bug*

[fierce laurel]

if you ever get bored I'd suggest trying 3/4

its so fun

[pulsar grotto]

Personally ive just been doing randomized loadouts for shits n giggles

[kind swan]

3/4 because of endless waveiirc

[fierce laurel]

I went back to apex

[mortal granite]

my man calling 5/6 cell a cheese

[kind swan]

It's a Boog

[last gust]

what I'm hearing is that I have to redo my duo with 3/4 cell

[fierce laurel]

almost a cheese

its clearly not intended to be done that way

[pulsar grotto]

yes

[fierce laurel]

and the difficulty becomes laughable

no disrespect against people who did it 5/6

not trying to be condensending or anything

but it is pretty evident that 5/6 is not the intended way and that you can barely call it an overload doing it like that

[mortal granite]

so you mean double class X is the intended way for D1?

[grizzled ravine]

Yes. And, you can't tell me otherwise.

[last gust]

eh, I feel like you can say "that's not a real overload" about any of the overloads in r7

except maybe bugged d1

[fierce laurel]

as in intentional

[fierce laurel]

they purposefully gave you options on D1

the devs clearly didn't know you could 5/6 it

and didn't design the level with that in mind

[last gust]

I think the devs knew you could do 5/6

just laying out the level with 5/6 and overload on different spokes of the hub doesn't convey intention

[mortal granite]

you know this when you make a map

[last gust]

and again, I think 5/6 cell is about on par with the other overloads in r7

[fierce laurel]

when one is far easier than the other I find it hard to believe that they knew this before had

why position overload right next to 3/4 when you can do it much easier on 5/6?

[mortal granite]

well, that's like using your brain

[last gust]

yeah I think it's a brain vs ploughing through thing

[mortal granite]

you either do it faster

or do it safer

[fierce laurel]

if they had give you the option for 5/6 I don't think the alarm would have made the alarm be flyer only

theres no brain involved here

one team finds out and the rest know

[last gust]

with 5/6 you're doing it on 15 health + whatever buffer you buy with meds

[fierce laurel]

gtfo isnt designed for you to find loopholes

[last gust]

and the 15 health comes from prepped repellers

[last gust]

hard disagree on this, gtfo is a planning game first

[fierce laurel]

yes you plan

not to find loop holes

but to tackle situations

you don't find an alarm and think, how do we work around this

you think, how do we beat this?

[last gust]

It's a game where you use your tools to create almost tower-defence solutions to alarms

[fierce laurel]

yes

exactly

[last gust]

the distinction between that and "loopholes" is kinda unclear to me

especially when 5/6 cell is apparently a loophole

[wary olive]

devs didnt know you can do d1 overload right before extract, they probably didnt know you can do 5/6 overload

[fierce laurel]

loopholes is finding a way to avoid tackling it as it is

[last gust]

I guess I just disagree with the notion that 5/6 cell is avoiding doing it "as is"

[fierce laurel]

why

what suggests that the devs knew about it beforehand

gtfo isnt a game about working around stuff

[kind swan]

[fierce laurel]

the position of the bulkhead, and the lack of normal enemies from the M alarm suggests that they meant for you to do it 3/4

as the err alarm supplies those sleepers along with the flyer

[last gust]

By default, if you can arrange for something to happen by way of chaining together intended mechanics, I'm going to assume that it's an intended way of completing the level

[fierce laurel]

the level is deliberately split into 3 sections

it doesn't make sense for you to hop between them

[kind swan]

I wouldn't say that they meant for you to do it that way but optional choice of doing it

[pulsar grotto]

mayb they reward you for being smart and hopping between them?

[kind swan]

but yes that scan is piss easy with the flyers

[last gust]

in my experience the M alarm flyers actually drown out the sleepers during the scan

[fierce laurel]

theres no real smart factor to this tough

[mortal granite]

how do you know

[fierce laurel]

all it requires is one team to figure it out

then the rest know

as it is right now

[fierce laurel]

they don't

even if they wanted to do something like that

it wouldn't make sense for it to be overload

it would just be in main

[errant vigil]

would have been cool if they found a way to lock a previous sec door until a optional is done

And you know add the information to the back of the sec door

[last gust]

I don't know what to say here, every time I've done or seen this scan with error going the error waves have fizzled while the flyers were out and resumed when the flyers were cleaned up after the scan

maybe the scan's too short, so if even one error wave gets backed up in the queue, you experience a perceived fizzle?

[fierce laurel]

it is a Class V

[last gust]

VI

[fierce laurel]

I think you may be misremembering

[last gust]

I'll have to go look at some footage

[fierce laurel]

well its not short enough either way

[last gust]

but I'm now saying "I don't know"

[fierce laurel]

the error wave is 30 seconds I think theres plenty of wiggle room

[last gust]

and you're acting all certain

[fierce laurel]

okay

[last gust]

so I guess I'll hold you to this one

[fierce laurel]

alright

[kind swan]

if the error waves slow/stop Iirc this happens in another level as well

I don't remember which one tho