#gtfo-speed-running

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mellow pike
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r6d1 is actaully fun

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i dont think either come close to r5e1 cs but still fun

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there are also a surprising amount of people still running modded while speeding lmao

glass cradle
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based

candid jackal
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what're they gonna do? refuse to verify the run?

placid marten
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reading rules

rustic bridge
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I have a lot of fond memories of r6c1 so it kinda is just always fun for me

pearl sage
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lol so when i went to pick up my new keyboard i ordered they didnt actually have it in stock so they gave me a different one for no extra cost

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so i got a steelseries apex pro gen3 full for 100 off

candid jackal
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oooh solid

pearl sage
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still getting used to a fast keyboard tho lol

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its so responsive

hollow aurora
placid marten
mellow pike
pearl sage
hollow aurora
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Maybe I'll run r6d1 with moth

mellow pike
rustic bridge
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Rules 💀

signal charm
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what makes the 400 buck keyboard so special to be worth 400? plenty of full size mechanicals out there and some pseudo mechanicals like the steelseries apex100 that are literally 30 bucks. granted I'm not happy with the travel on itor the lack of key illumination (there's lights in the keyboard but they don't illuminate the actual letters)... but for 30 bucks it's better than a lot of the garbage I had to use during college years and before

mellow pike
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Mechanical is the bare minimum

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if it's not mechanical it's getting donated to skuller to be smashed

sullen silo
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competition has concluded for now

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following one will begin some time tomorrow

rustic bridge
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Gulp

versed echo
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Guys

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Speedrunning is becoming the death of me

hollow aurora
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in general, you shouldnt spend 400 dollars on a keyboard if you dont care about the sound tho

candid jackal
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also i would add

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isn't apex 100 an old ass rubber dome keyboard

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not psuedo mechanical, just slightly fancier membrane

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think that's what i used for some years

hollow aurora
hollow aurora
covert cypress
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Yeah apex 100 is pretty damn old at this point

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was a nice keyboard but I def prefer what I use now

pearl sage
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i have my first PT session on monday cant wait till i can walk again

proven canyon
proven canyon
hollow aurora
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ur so forceful~

proven canyon
hollow aurora
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uhhh idk

delicate flare
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i am

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đŸ”„

versed echo
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Syntav is a bottom, submissive

proven canyon
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Frfr

versed echo
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@hollow aurora SuperFlushed

hollow aurora
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what

viral monolith
delicate flare
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ikr suprising

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:O

viral monolith
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the person that uses :3 is a bottom????

delicate flare
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the person that- listens to 2010 rock is a bottom????????

hollow aurora
viral monolith
hollow aurora
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whats a minor

delicate flare
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a gay person

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ah no thats a minority

hollow aurora
viral monolith
delicate flare
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:[

viral monolith
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not too fond of gay people

hollow aurora
viral monolith
delicate flare
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latinoamericans >>>>>

hollow aurora
viral monolith
hollow aurora
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im half and half

viral monolith
hollow aurora
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do you drink half and half????????????

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like by itself

viral monolith
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i don't own half and half

hollow aurora
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your a minority then

viral monolith
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no

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most people don't own half and half

hollow aurora
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imagine being a majority

viral monolith
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easy

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already am one

hollow aurora
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wait no you are a minority

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most peoel dont play gtfo

delicate flare
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beeing a miniroty for playing gtfo is like saying ur mexican cuz ur greatgranfatheer lived in guadalajara for 5 months when hee was 23

pearl sage
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Yo guys current thoughts on slug shotgun?

delicate flare
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ur gettin answered in oveer the otheer channel

pearl sage
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Ik

proven canyon
delicate flare
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mmmmm

proven canyon
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Microwave

viral monolith
hollow aurora
mellow pike
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what the fuck is happening in here

proven canyon
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:3

mint knot
pine shoal
mellow pike
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who the hell are you

proven canyon
candid jackal
sullen silo
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Patience young one

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It will come

proven canyon
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10-12 years is the life expectancy of goats so checks out

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wait does this mean goat is younger than frosty

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damn

wind cliff
eternal dust
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Why do we come?

proven canyon
pearl sage
eternal dust
wind cliff
rustic bridge
proven canyon
rustic bridge
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Mum*

proven canyon
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.t no

worldly gullBOT
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No

wind cliff
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Y

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Drop addy and I can you my proption of the ashes

rustic bridge
mint knot
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@sullen silo have you thought about adding a role one Tier above pink for getting it in both C1 and D1? Something Like "No life" in neon green

proven canyon
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would look like calles role

rustic bridge
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No real reason for it

mellow pike
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so by this logic frosty does NOT get his speedrun overlord role

proven canyon
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or his scouts are friends role

mellow pike
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no that is not the same

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that is an og role

proven canyon
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times have changed old man

glacial shore
proven canyon
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so like

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times have in fact changed

mint knot
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@proven canyon

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get the fuck in

proven canyon
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@sullen silo where tf is comp frfr

rustic bridge
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Pub.

mellow pike
rustic bridge
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Don’t worry you’re already blocked

mellow pike
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FUCK

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that means u can't see my msgs then

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if u read this ur gay

sullen silo
sullen silo
proven canyon
rustic bridge
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Dawg have you met speedrunners

proven canyon
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frfr

mint knot
proven canyon
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fish

mint knot
proven canyon
bronze bobcat
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lf1 speed r6d1

versed echo
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LF Frosty

placid marten
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frosty is in eu

versed echo
proven canyon
rustic bridge
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@sullen silo bro did it again

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“20 minutes”

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Wait am I stupid

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WAIT

sullen silo
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L

rustic bridge
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I apologise

placid marten
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?

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frosty = confusion

proven canyon
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L

placid marten
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If anybody gets the funny kraken death bug

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(I doubt it but who knows)

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pls submit anyway

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it will be glitched god run

proven canyon
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Kraken kill% WR?

placid marten
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oh thx for the reminder

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lemme remove that rn

proven canyon
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NOOOOOOOO

mellow pike
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10:30 interestingt

proven canyon
eternal dust
bronze bobcat
eternal dust
versed echo
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I would join but I'm running other games. Maybe if you guys are still on after my runs I'll join y'all

placid marten
versed echo
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I'm still king on an inferior system

proven canyon
versed echo
proven canyon
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That game is a game that I wouldn’t like speeding

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That game is very much a slow take it easy type game

versed echo
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Skill diff

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Much harder when fast

proven canyon
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It’s more satisfying playing slow

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It’s like real life sorta

mellow pike
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I like playing ready or not and shooting everything that moves

proven canyon
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Average Russian swat team

versed echo
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Baba Yaga moment

hollow aurora
coral pelican
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soy why do you say you're handling verification "differently" for every comp now when it's been the same process for all but the first one

placid marten
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OMEGALUL control c control v

sullen silo
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yep

delicate flare
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literally the r1c1 copypaste recommendin sniper

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and me tellin pablo to change it everytimee

glacial shore
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@placid marten maybe next time you should actually test/clear the lvl to make a definite time instead of just estimating the r6d1 time

glacial shore
covert cypress
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4 sniper

glacial shore
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gonna be honest, 10:40 is a better time

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anything under that is tumor rng

cloud depot
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im not rlly sure why we picked r6d1 in the first place, wasnt there supposed to be talk about the next lvl after r6c1?

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but then when i see the announcment for r6c1 apparently r6d1 was already decided for next comp

glacial shore
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what I'm mad about is that current non glitched wr was done with non nerfed sniper, and the fact that NO ONE ran the lvl with current sniper and just "optimized estimated time" is slightly tilting

cloud depot
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is almost like r6d1 is a terrible lvl to speedrun and almost no one runs it for a reason

glacial shore
cloud depot
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agree to disagree then

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fighting in infected fog and being forced into running 4 snipers is not my idea of fun

glacial shore
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whoever chose r6d1... I have some questions

glass cradle
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its unique which is more than a lot of runs can say

glacial shore
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true

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but so is r6d4 in a way

cloud depot
mellow pike
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isn't cycle skip next to impossible with current sniper

rustic bridge
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No

glacial shore
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then show us a run pls

rustic bridge
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R6%

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Does it

glass cradle
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want me to grab it

glacial shore
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that wasn't even sub 10:30

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it was 10:35

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so wtf

glass cradle
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they found it

rustic bridge
glacial shore
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I don't care, just have at least one team run d1 dedicated before you even post a time

glass cradle
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W crashout

mellow pike
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Agreed W Crashout

rustic bridge
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Just get better

drifting citrus
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10:30 with current sniper is giga reachable. I genuinely think this is copium

rustic bridge
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I can agree with 10:40

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But what tgb said as well

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Also you can always just cycle skip

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You just gotta count

drifting citrus
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With all due respect but if the rundown 6% gets 10:35 by playing it safe. Also having suboptimal baby movement

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A team can save 5 seconds

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Yes u are not supposed to first try it

rustic bridge
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Pretty sure the 10:30 was a “really clean normal clear” or “decent cycle skip”

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Like I think cycle skip gets a bad name

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It isn’t that hard

glass cradle
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we did not practice it yea

mellow pike
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I think our understanding of cycle skip is prob bad then bc they were told its basically impossible

rustic bridge
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You have leeway

glass cradle
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with aussie host to 3 non aussies the timing is not that bad

rustic bridge
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Yeah

glass cradle
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like discord latency was not even enough to bother it

rustic bridge
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Literally just have a shit host and it’s so free

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You have leeway for 1 shot

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So it’s not perfect

glass cradle
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I forget if we also had host shooting or not

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I think we did?

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idk its been a while since then

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im ngl I Forgot that was even in r6%

bleak crane
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It was all shooting

rustic bridge
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Yeah

covert cypress
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even so i doubt you even need cycle skip tbh

drifting citrus
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you dont

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in order to kill a tumor u need every player to pull off a single reload

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compared to no reload old sniper

mellow pike
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and this is with 4 sniper?

drifting citrus
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yes

mellow pike
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not even needing to worry about primary shooting tumor?

drifting citrus
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nope

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1200hp per tumor

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one sniper shot does 120

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10 shots

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aka 2 from each player + 2 more

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so 2 people need to spot tumor insta

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the other 2 can loose some time taking their first shot

mellow pike
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can u theoretically mitigate the reload by adding a dmr or something in there

drifting citrus
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probably not

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and it is not reliable

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i'd much rather have 2 people not spot the tumor instantly

glacial shore
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all i'm asking is a sub 10:30 clear by the people yapping in this chat before comp time is posted

drifting citrus
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our team doesn't play for quite a bit

mellow pike
covert cypress
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@glass cradle assemble a team

glass cradle
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fuck that lol

drifting citrus
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so this gives u a bit of leeway

covert cypress
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ill join chill

mellow pike
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i see

proven canyon
covert cypress
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a quick 30 min sesh

glass cradle
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unironically tho r6% should be a reasonable showcase

drifting citrus
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anyway: the entire run diff between now and older runs is one current sniper reload and 1 sniper shot delay

glass cradle
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cuz I dont think we did it remotely optimally

drifting citrus
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nope

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funnily enough eva theorized another route for moving the mwp

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during alarm

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and it does apparently save something

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anyway: time difference comes to 4.2secs per tumor

mellow pike
drifting citrus
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at 5 tumors you loose 21 seconds over the entire kraken kill compared to pre r8 sniper

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which means

glass cradle
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whats a cycle time again btw

drifting citrus
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u have ~34 seconds of leeway

mellow pike
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theoretical best time for r6d1 is like 9:56 then

drifting citrus
mellow pike
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I c

drifting citrus
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keep in mind the current world record aint even that good

rustic bridge
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Also you should be taking 4 snipers for either cycle skip or no cycle skip

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It’s just faster taking into account human reaction time

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Like tgb said

drifting citrus
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yeah, u can in theory make 3 sniper work but you are gambling tumor rng then

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4 people all instantly seeing tumor is considerably more fucked

placid marten
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its a non rng level, purely skill based

I guess your infection fog/sniper part makes sense (subjectively) tho

placid marten
placid marten
glass cradle
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jesus

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thats longer than I wouldve guessed

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no wonder a shit cycle skip is still 10:35

placid marten
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It is crazy right?

glacial shore
placid marten
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and 10:30, while definetly hard. (Consider that its roughly 10-15 second behind wr pace with current snipers being applied) is a level with near 0 rng

placid marten
glacial shore
placid marten
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Also lag makes it easier no? (As stated by chill aswell)

Or do you mean the reverse?

placid marten
drifting citrus
placid marten
glacial shore
drifting citrus
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the timing for the tumor shot is the exact same as timing for double meleeing a scout

glass cradle
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we also had host count down

placid marten
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You dont get a visual indicator of your teammate moving towards it tho

drifting citrus
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if u can pull that off. (and u can, I did on ping ranging from being in the same room with them to australian ping) u can then pull off a shot on kraken

placid marten
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Again
Cycle skip isnt even necessary :|

glacial shore
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stfu

mellow pike
placid marten
glacial shore
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can't be a "clean run" if our tumor spawns are crap, so cycle skip is required even more

mellow pike
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tbf i feel like tumor spawns dont matter aside from first

drifting citrus
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first doesn't matter either

placid marten
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Did you know

mellow pike
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first i feel it only matters when its facing away

placid marten
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That r6d1 kraken should be the only kraken with the high up tumor

mellow pike
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i like how the devs openly admit to hating the kracken fight on e2 bc it breaks the game

glacial shore
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by tumor spawns, I mean far left/right tumor with kraken facing said direction fully (which is what we've been getting very often)

urban nest
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curious

rustic bridge
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Kraken shouldn’t do that unless you split up lmao

glacial shore
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well guess what

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it do be doing that

rustic bridge
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Then you guys aren’t together

glacial shore
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we were

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center

covert cypress
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Frosty travels across the globe just to continue arguing in speedrunning

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We are so back

mellow pike
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frosty knows his priorities obviously

covert cypress
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Frfr

glacial shore
placid marten
rustic bridge
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Also you guys should be running 4 snipers

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You already save time with that

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Omfg my internet is gone

glacial shore
placid marten
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r6d1 kraken doesnt „target a player“ to look at like say r8e2 does

rustic bridge
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Ah okay

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Anyway we run in 2 days

covert cypress
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yeah to the fridge I bet

rustic bridge
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YES

mellow pike
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this just in

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frosty is fat

rustic bridge
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I’ve been telling my gf that 😔

glass cradle
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twink status is floating away

rustic bridge
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The only things twink about me are my face and ass

mellow pike
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can confirm the ass

covert cypress
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built like my dark souls character

rustic bridge
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Built like an ark character

covert cypress
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I forgot how cursed they can look ngl

rustic bridge
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Star writing an essay

mellow pike
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essay has been canceled

drifting citrus
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i got r5e1 cells to work

rustic bridge
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Welp

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Sub 15 inevitable

drifting citrus
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yep

rustic bridge
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Rolling for C cell in that would suck ass tho

drifting citrus
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we have fast resets frosty

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remember

rustic bridge
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Yeah

drifting citrus
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and also it is a ~33% chance C cell

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so not bad

rustic bridge
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I mean running the level to roll for it

rustic bridge
drifting citrus
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ah ok

rustic bridge
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What’s the weighting

drifting citrus
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100000 backweight

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imma double check it tho

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yea 100000 backweight

rustic bridge
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3 cells in c right

drifting citrus
rustic bridge
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Wait

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How many in each tgb

drifting citrus
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oh wiat yea

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i forgot to take into account the number of cells

rustic bridge
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How many in each

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I will look now

drifting citrus
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2 A, 3B, 2C, 5D

mellow pike
drifting citrus
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16.66% chance C cell

drifting citrus
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but it is published

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this is a DLL that specializes in reading the logs and forwarding that info to other programs u write

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and I have integrated "Project Foresight" into it or whatever that was called. Essentially it works similar to Seed indexer and can grab more info

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also yes at some point after the release of the medals mod probably ill integrate it directly into the logger

mellow pike
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when medal mod coming out

drifting citrus
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we have a bit more work on the security for the mod and a bit more ui

rustic bridge
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@drifting citrus did maid do the website thing or is that for later

rustic bridge
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Fair

drifting citrus
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website is a little complicated with legal issues and security is even more of a problem

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and maid is a little fucked on work rn

rustic bridge
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Yeah makes sense

cloud depot
# placid marten its a non rng level, purely skill based I guess your infection fog/sniper part ...

First of all, that's just straight up wrong, there is still rng with resources and where tumors pop up. There is a diff between non-rng and some rng.

Secondly, I fail to see what's interesting about fighting in infectious fog with effectively only 1 weapon, then proceeding to just spam sniper on a boring ass "boss" that basically just stands there while trying to do hackboxes in between tumors, on full infection, dealing with annoying ass flyers when you likely are running sawed off-sniper both which arent exactly ideal at dealing with them. Oh and if anyone dies? Almost always an insta reset.

Also one thing, while I dont like rng, if you completely remove it, the level just becomes a monotonous grind of doing the exact same moves over and over and over and over and over, with the only diff being just the execution. Now that might sound great in theory, "oh its just a diff in skill then, perfect right?" But now, there is no more room to make plays, no more "strats", now it's just "the strat". Every run of a level looks and feels exactly the same. There is barely any imrpov or new interesting things, you are no longer running for "fun" you are running for "perfection", and because of human error, to get that theoretical max your gonna be running for countless hours on end with basically all runs other than THE run feeling ass, because your just gonna focus on "ok what went wrong, where did we lose time".

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And btw, wouldnt adjusting for rng, bad or good, be considered a skill? If anything being able to get a good time with terrible rng is much more impressive (and fun) imo than getting WR with perfect rng. To me, my dislike of rng boiles down only to 2 things: Completely losing a run because of it (and by that im not referring to a run not being WR pace anymore, i specifically mean stuff like dying or softlocking, etc), or it being such a massive time waste, which is a problem because your overlap of free time for 4 players is likely minimal (its also just not fun running around looking for something only for it be the absolute last place you decided to check).

Also correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't "seeded" or "reading a seed" usually a separate category in most games speedruns? I feel like there is a reason for that and I dont feel like it should be allowed in standard runs but hey what do i know i barely speedrun in games anyways.

Anyways, if other people find that fun? Good for you. I know some people just enjoy seeing a lower number. Cant say im interested in that tho. Also no one needs to reply to this, that is all I have to say and i feel like i have elaborated my points sufficiently. You can share your own thoughts if you want, ill prolly read it, but dont expect a further reply from me.

rustic bridge
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Reading a seed and seeded are different

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Also this is just how so many games speedruns are

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It’s what speedrunning is

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So many games it’s just replaying the same thing over and over to improve little amounts of time, with human rng being the only factor

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If you don’t like this then it isn’t a speedrun problem, it’s just you don’t like speedruns like this

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At least this there is SOME variation between runs

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I have ran games where it is literally the exact same thing each run

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Oh also when we are referring to “no rng” it means actual rng factors like keys, scans, etc

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Resources don’t matter in this

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The only one that could be considered a factor is tumour rng

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But realistically it’s a small factor

drifting citrus
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my view on this is: rng is a component of speedruns that does create variation in runs BUT only up to a certain point. If you take a level and optimize the crap out of it, you can only play the best rng possible and u will play EVERY run as if u have that rng no matter what since otherwise u cant get world record. R6D1 does not have RNG that should contribute to time, but it does have rng that creates variation in runs, the truth is u still need some luck on enemy spawns for fog room. in theory tumor rng plays a factor but it is very minimal at best, even if the level of play aint that great

rustic bridge
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We also consider r6cx a “no rng” run because you aren’t rolling for keys or anything

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And it only becomes rng if you push it to its extreme

glacial shore
rustic bridge
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Which every level will become that

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^

drifting citrus
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the replayability of r6d1 speedruns is indeed a bit lacking, but this is because if u dont care for wr, once u got a cycle skip... there's not much else to do unless u aim for world record

placid marten
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  • resource rng is not a thing

  • tumor rng, maybe for wr (unless you get trolled in a rare run. Skuller can explain)
    -> the rng in 99/100 runs will not dictate you getting the sub 10:30 if you play it correctly

  • dying isnt rly an insta reset, unless you die during the shooting stage (or are dead still until it happens)

  • yea with no rng it becomes... speedrunning. A test of only your skill, strats (micro optimizations at some point)

  • most levels do have "the strat" already

  • running for "perfection" is a bit insane, if you consider that this comp is made with leeway in mind. But you do know that speedrunning has the goal of "perfection"?

  • adjusting to bad rng in the situation is a skill. Getting the same time with worse rng is more impressive than gettng it with good rng. But its speedrunning. Not difficulty running, so you want to do whatever is fastest and getting the fastest time is done by getting better rng
    -> there is strats you genuinely cant run correctly with the wrong rng (not r6d1 obviously, more stuff like R2B2, R5E1, R6D4 etc etc)

  • seeded is very different from reading info from a seed. This is basically just a continuation of logs
    (seeded "might" become a thing in the future. But it kinda leads to what you were not happy about, having it just be "the strat and only going for micro optimizations at some point)

rustic bridge
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Also r6d1 was chosen so the better speeds like r6d4 could have actual time dedicated to them instead of being lumped in with r6c1

mellow pike
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i feel like if r5e1 wasnt the previous comp r6c1 and r6d1 wouldnt be as complained about

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ive had enough fun to become like half the leaderboard for r6c1 and working on r6d1

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i only really had one real r5e1 cs clear during comp with chill

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which still remains the objectively funniest gtfo run ever

placid marten
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a lot of the r5e1 runs
and I mean A LOT

are just runs with chill

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(it was still very heavily run and a very fun comp)

rustic bridge
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If chill didn’t run, there would be way less runs on the board

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But it’s like

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People are expecting all the other speeds to be like r5e1

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And it’s just unreasonable

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And like people shit on these levels when others are having a lot of fun with it

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The levels aren’t bad because a few people said so

mellow pike
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yuss r6c1 was very fun

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r6d1 is also a vibe lowk

rustic bridge
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And the people who say that are the ones that “don’t like speedrunning”

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So like đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

cloud depot
rustic bridge
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There’s a difference between saying “this isn’t my kind of speedrun” and “this level is a shit speedrun”

cloud depot
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Im mostly annoyed because the lvl was picked with 0 community input as far as im aware

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i read that we're deciding what the lvl will be later

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then suddenly now its r6d1

rustic bridge
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It was decided between soy, me, Eva and Beth

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We were going to do r6d4

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But then

cloud depot
#

and why not let the community decide what it wants? rather than a letting a select few choose for everyone else? cant exactly say thats my fav way of doing things, i defo wouldn't have been nearly as annoyed if most people decided they wanted r6d1 rather than having a few people decide that

glass cradle
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I shouldve committed to off brand r5c2 harder, but I figured ppl cared about a role too much

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my bad guys

rustic bridge
#

Ultimately soy agreed to it

cloud depot
#

Well who knows if soy will read this, prolly already hundreds of messages since he last opened chat, cant blame him if he decides to not read everything

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But anyways, people can have fun whatever way they want, it only really becomes a problem whenever it might affect other people's fun, but that's a whole can of worms i dont feel like opening rn

rustic bridge
#

Not everyone can be happy with these things and it will never be like that

old trench
#

Did tgb go off on his useless "but with seeded there's no variety and it's just learning same keystrokes/moves" rant again?

rustic bridge
#

No

old trench
old trench
rustic bridge
placid marten
#

its him defending thats theres variation anyway?
(reminder that I agree with you that the time when tgb actually MADE that point it was a stupid one)

proven canyon
#

What’s the best level for a no log run?

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Nvm remembered that R6D1 don’t need

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Disregard me being đŸ„Ž

cloud depot
# placid marten - resource rng is not a thing - tumor rng, maybe for wr (unless you get trolled ...

Also finally got around to reading your msg, and the only thing i will respond to is this "But you do know that speedrunning has the goal of "perfection"?".

Because the answer is: No, no its not. Look at any remotely popular game, there are thousands, maybe even tens of thousands or even hunderds of thousands, of totally legit submissions. Most are not WR, nor were they trying to be.

Of course, some people run just to get WR, but saying that's the point of speedrunning when its an extremely small portion of the speedrunning community as a whole? Yea that's just straight up wrong.

I would also like to add, i know of a few people who have held WR in the past in said games, most of them no longer ran for WR after getting it once, several even stating that they regretted doing so half way and they only continued to get the WR due to sunk-cost fallacy.

placid marten
proven canyon
#

Disregard me being đŸ„Ž
anyways

placid marten
old trench
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If we take out the picture the ease of accessibility and try to compare speedrunning of TUTORIAL vs any other short singleplayer level in games close to mechanics to gtfo (horde/boomer shooters) and just compare percentage of people who played the game vs people who did a submission surprisingly we will land in a lot closer percentage than you would think.

old trench
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Thank you

urban nest
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с Юр

old trench
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Altho I do have a problem understanding which audience medal mod will have because of statistically not many people return to this games speedruninng to improve their own PBs. All that medal mod does is shifts goal posts to more feasible times that people might get but the mod itself does not rly provide any value in running it. So far it's just glorified elitism mod perliFumo

delicate flare
#

happy bappy 🎉

old trench
old trench
fallen zealot
#

happy birthday

old trench
versed echo
cloud depot
# old trench There is a problem tho, each game leaderboard you take to compare to gtfo does n...

I will be completely honest im not entirely sure how what you said relates to what i said but ill try my best to reply. Eva specifically said "speedrunning" not "gtfo speedrunning" so i answered with that in mind. Gtfo is a niche game, speedrunning is also a niche of video games, so a niche of a niche game is obviously going to be very small. I'm not directly comapring other game's speedruns to gtfo, what im comparing is specifically the goals that (most) speedrunners generally tend to have (which is not going for WR), since gtfo speedrunning is so small maybe the word "most" doesnt quite fit but for speedrunning as a whole? it defo does

cloud depot
old trench
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you saying that other games have more submissions compared to gtfo is complexity of gtfo and it not being able to be comparable to other submission boards

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You don't take into account the level of entry

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and you don't take into account the speedrunning itself is a niche for any game

cloud depot
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"you saying that other games have more submissions compared to gtfo" You do know thats not the main point im trying to make right? Im using other games as an example because the gtfo speedrunning is way to small to make an accurate judgement about speedrunning experience

cloud depot
old trench
old trench
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instead of "duh duh, niche game has less people playing, and even lesser for a niche of a niche"

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duh no shit sherlock

cloud depot
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I will be honest i really dont understand how this all relates to what i said

old trench
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To your point

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It relates to your point

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The point is not valid

cloud depot
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and im telling you i dont see the correlation

placid marten
old trench
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Cause you don't level the field, you don't have the same variables

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When you go down to example that I provided with gtfo's tutorial

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vs any other game

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The percentages are a lot closer

pastel gull
#

Popcorn here if anyone wants it 🍿

cloud depot
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the percentage of what exactly, playerbase to speedrunners?

old trench
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total playerbase vs submissions

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Yes

cloud depot
#

and what does this percentage have to do with the point im trying to make?????

versed echo
# cloud depot apologies but i dont quite understand what you're trying to say

My bad, I had formation so I never got to finish.

Speedrunning aims to complete a game as fast as possible. As you progressively shorten time, you start to reach levels of perfection.

I’ve got WR runs, some of which are unbeatable/solidifed. do I ever regret running them? No. Showcases to everyone skill diff and luck.

old trench
#

Countering your argument.

Gtfo is a niche game, speedrunning is also a niche of video games, so a niche of a niche game is obviously going to be very small.

cloud depot
#

Either your misunderstanding what im saying or im not getting what you are saying

old trench
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It is small in any game

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That point I'm trying to make

versed echo
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Just because a speedrun isn’t WR, it doesn’t allude to the main goal: completing said game as fast as possible.

cloud depot
# versed echo My bad, I had formation so I never got to finish. Speedrunning aims to complet...

Perhaps I shouldve clarified with my last point, obviously not everyone is gonna regret going for WR, many will be satisfied with it. And im not saying its necessarily wrong to go for WR either, im simply pointing that most speedrunners and those who are interested in speedrunning dont aim to get WR, which is why i think the statement of "speedrunning has the goal of "perfection" " is wrong. Perfection CAN be part of the goal, but is it the main goal or the main reason for speedrunning? For most speedrunners and want-to-be-speedrunners, the answer to that question is no.

cloud depot
versed echo
# cloud depot Perhaps I shouldve clarified with my last point, obviously not everyone is gonna...

I would say that agrees w/ want-to-be or “casual” speedrunners, but I would disagree w/ speedrunners.

Our entire goal is to see if we can push times lower in our specific game/favorite games. It’s why majority of speedrunners are in very few communities. Usually you dedicate yourself to a specific set of games as a “normal” speedrunner. Only person that defies this logic is Akuretaki

That being said, many communities develop tools to help speedrunners, and GTFO logger tool would just be another subset example.

cloud depot
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Thats just an issue of how you want to define "speedrunners"

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if you want to specifically split them then yea sure

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But for me when someone says "speedrunners" i think of basically anyone who makes legit sumbissions on official sites and particpates in comps and tourneys and stuff

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which includes all types

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where again, the majority arent going for WR

versed echo
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Yet you just defined it yourself. Any “speedrunner” who participates in competitions/tournaments are hardcore runners.

Legit submissions is just a general basis for anyone who wanted to put a run on the board following the rules. That is mainly everybody that wanted to do so. Many people are a one-and-done and can’t be called a “speedrunner”.

cloud depot
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No people can still particpate in comps/tourneys without being hardcore runners lol

versed echo
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This is just based on sample size on SRC

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Most submissions you see aren’t one-and-done players or new guys

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(For prize pool, not reg submissions)

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Not saying they can’t participate, it’s just far and few

cloud depot
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The exception is the tryhardy tourneys and comps which do exist, but again, here im talking about all manners of comps and tourneys, which usually allow basically anything sumbission wise, compared to the more tryhardy ones which have a min skill level

versed echo
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I’m not really referring to tryhardy competitions, I’m more referring to the official SRC competitions

cloud depot
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a reminder that "friendly" and "casual" comps do exist

versed echo
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Community run competitions are different

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I’d say half of community run competitions aren’t recorded

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So then you take that note and then try to apply what we’re taking about

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Community run competitions have smaller outreach, whereas the official SRC competitions are very widespread

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Majority of runners come from the game’s very own speedrun community -> the runners that aim to improve their times

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In community-based comps, they are any/all w/ a ton of one-and-dones or casual runners

cloud depot
#

Again, this just comes back to the whole whom do you consider a speedrunner

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Im not really here to argue how do you define if someone is considered a "speedrunner" or a "runner" or whatever other term one may use

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English is a funky langauge, i dont like arguments about word usage xd

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i made my point on the group of people i was referring to, if you dont like that i used the word "speedrunners" all i have to say is Touche

versed echo
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I just think that w/ SRC, majority of runners have the goal of cutting down time

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The people you refer to aren’t part of that

cloud depot
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cutting down one's own time != "perfection" or getting wr

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big diff

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im sure most people do want to improve their own times

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but do most src runners try to go for perfect/flawless WR level runs that cant be beaten?

versed echo
#

Well, that question is much easier to answer, no?

cloud depot
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It is xd

versed echo
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Maybe we should’ve led with that

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And I’d say a good quarter do

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However you want to define “most” is on you

cloud depot
#

well im not 2 sure about the actual %

cloud depot
#

and im confident whatever the % is its not above 50%

versed echo
#

We have the stats from Farmington and we could calculate WR/run ratio or podium/run ratio, but maybe I’ll just leave that out there

cloud depot
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Is fine

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These sites are usually close, but not exactly right

versed echo
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It’s 100% accurate

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Because at Farmington, we pull the API data from the entire site

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I got a 45% ratio of WR to runs alone

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Rip

cloud depot
#

Higher than i thought it'd be

versed echo
#

It used to be 60%

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Until everyone here took my GTFO times

cloud depot
#

but tbf it do be SRC so ig it makes sense

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if we factor in freindly comps and stuff defo would be much lower

rustic bridge
versed echo
#

Currently taking RoN again so I’m pretty occupied

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Believe my podium/run ratio is ~70%

placid marten
#

huge

proven canyon
#

@mint knot if you need one more ping me ima do solo R6A1 runs in the meantime

rustic bridge
#

May ammo rng be with you 🙏

proven canyon
#

it wasnt 😔

#

never have been either

#

key rng is also fucking me

rustic bridge
#

Yeah that’s how it goes

proven canyon
#

yeppers

#

its either meh at 77 or fucking D at 76

#

ts pmo đŸ„€

eternal dust
#

đŸƒâ€â™‚ïž đŸ€”

rustic bridge
viral monolith
old trench
proven canyon
old trench
placid marten
proven canyon
old trench
proven canyon
#

isnt it schön?

placid marten
#

i dunno if maids keyboard has the ö

#

and its better to type schon than the disgusting looking schoen

proven canyon
#

šbutton

old trench
#

Or with russian Đč or ы or ъ

placid marten
#

GewĂŒrzgurkenglasmanufaktierungserlassunggesetztverfassungsstiftherstellergebĂ€udeeinlassversicherung

mellow pike
#

erm rule 3 ☝ đŸ€“

old trench
mellow pike
proven canyon
#

@placid marten @uncut saffron has a funi suggestion to the R6D1 kraken fight

proven canyon
#

nvm

proven canyon
placid marten
#

that would be hilarious tho ngl

#

worth to try kappa ?

proven canyon
#

you should try it

proven canyon
#

"team use your eyes" - moth quotes during R6D1

eternal dust
#

I whould try it😇

mellow pike
#

can confirm

#

sub 10:30 no cycle skip is possible

glacial shore
#

sorry for my rants lmao

#

can confirm that someone went down, I whiffed reloads, I missed sniper shots, and still got 10:30 (so basically what I said earlier about perfect gameplay is false lmao)

rustic bridge
#

The growth is magical đŸ„č

candid jackal
#

who doesn't enjoy watching men grow before their very eyes?

#

me probably

#

but everything has a place

glass cradle
#

Ok

mellow pike
#

Ok

rustic bridge
#

Ok

fallen zealot
#

Ok

old trench
#

Ok

azure pilot
#

oK

placid marten
#

Ă€

#

ok

eternal dust
#

Ok

autumn axle
#

ok

hollow aurora
#

Ok

urban nest
#

ok

delicate flare
#

oki doki

proud kiln
#

ok

proven canyon
#

ok

obsidian dome
#

ĐŸĐș

mint knot
#

K

little bloom
#

Ok

viral monolith
#

ok

drifting citrus
#

ok

pine shoal
#

ok

placid marten
#

🆗

radiant hemlock
#

Ok

odd delta
#

ok

woeful lichen
#

ok

torn portal
delicate star
#

ok

glacial shore
#

ok

hollow aurora
#

OK!

versed echo
#

okay

bleak crane
#

Ok.

hollow scroll
#

Ok

delicate star
#

🇮 🇰

delicate flare
#

O_ k

viral monolith
#

ok.

sacred marten
#

ok

covert cypress
#

ok

ancient charm
#

Ok

glass cradle
#

so when we bringing back lf r5e1 cs

proven canyon
#

nooooooooooo he broke it

glass cradle
#

I did the first one I can break it

mint knot
#

@sullen silo say, mods are Not allowed

#

But what about playing the old Game Version?

#

Pre Sniper nerf

sullen silo
#

No

mint knot
#

Afterall the Rules dont say that it Has to Be the current live version

placid marten
#

you are not allowed to downgrade your game, but old runs are fine if proven to be old

rustic bridge
mellow pike
#

GTFO Players HATE this one trick ^

rustic bridge
#

Checkpoints 👍

eternal dust
mint knot
drifting citrus
#

when are the devs gonna add class 2 checkpoints

drifting citrus
#

checkpoints should be illegal

#

you should be able to turn them off

misty veldt
drifting citrus
#

we would like for them to not exists cause we cant play with kenny host despite it being optimal

#

cause either me and/or frosty desync hard on checkpoint scan finish

misty veldt
#

that mod would go hard; VanillaNoCheckpoints

#

is it desync almost everytime?

drifting citrus
#

door opens for him but for all 3 of us it just afks

#

for like 2minutes

#

then randomly it opens for 1

#

then wait another 10sec

#

open for 2nd

#

and then another 10sec open for last

misty veldt
drifting citrus
#

end result: we have to play tgb host which is harder to pull off

candid jackal
#

ya unfortunately there's not much hope for it

#

i think when doing r1%, kenny frosty and eva host all resulted in some kind of desync

#

even mine did

#

but it seemed to settle down a bit and be least likely on my host

proven canyon
#

@mint knot is it time?

mint knot
proven canyon
#

And?

#

You don’t have work tmrw trust

placid marten
#

Checkpoints when they ruin a run
@rustic bridge has a vendetta against r7a1 1st checkpoint specifically

rustic bridge
#

That was the god seed

drifting citrus
#

surely

#

we hit it

rustic bridge
#

Fast resets for the scans and machine thing

drifting citrus
#

machine thing we can reset

#

scans... well... probably not

placid marten
#

can we reset for good checkpoint scan rng?

hollow aurora
eternal dust
hollow aurora
#

tommorow

eternal dust
#

Okay đŸ« 

valid ocean
#

I want r1

proven canyon
eternal dust
hollow aurora
hollow aurora
glass cradle
#

sec

#

(like 5 min)

eternal dust
#

Im literally at a electronic music festival rn

#

So cant sry @hollow aurora

hollow aurora
sullen silo
#

it wont become a common thing

proven canyon
sullen silo
#

i mean yeah

proven canyon
#

Maybe the times could’ve been harder

sullen silo
#

but also i dont want to leave the decision to certain people

proven canyon
#

Fair

mellow pike
proven canyon
#

Meant D1

fast magnet
#

🩐

covert cypress
#

It’s time to retire the events

hollow aurora
mellow pike
#

i feel thats just the barrier of gtfo in general

#

problem with a dying game with a shit tutorial

hollow aurora
#

Finding a game isn't hard, just pub

#

if you befriend every pub you always play with friends

glass cradle
#

zzzzzzzzzz

placid marten
sullen silo
#

I can go back to sleep đŸ’€

covert cypress
#

yeah cause I’m sure ur definitely able to sleep in this heat

sullen silo
#

Actually I got ac recently so I can

#

My room no longer reaches like 40 degrees

covert cypress
#

Must be nice


urban nest
#

😔

fallen zealot
#

rich people smh

candid jackal
sullen silo
#

I deserve it

#

My room is like barely 3 by 2 meters big

#

Has 3 internal walls

#

And one tiny window on the side of the house that gets the sun on it after midday

#

It’s a literal oven

placid marten
#

Just get rain

#

Casuals

sullen silo
#

God I wish

candid jackal
#

rain comes monday

#

then thursday is hot again

#

somehow

#

rain might be tuesday

#

either way it's still like 25 degrees thursday friday

#

i'll be working so should avoid the worst of it in an air conditioned building

covert cypress
#

Soy ur room sounds like mine

#

I gotta get me some AC sometime

candid jackal
#

i now have a luxurious room on the top floor of a building where the sun beams in all day, worth it for that 2nd window

sullen silo
#

Cost a decent amount though

#

My setup is around ÂŁ600

proven canyon
#

Could you post a pic of it?

#

Been thinking about getting a AC but window mounted don’t work well with my window

sullen silo
#

Like a pic of the whole setup or just the machine

proven canyon
#

Whole setup preferably

sullen silo
#

Sure gimme a sec

proven canyon
#

Yippers

sullen silo
#

That’s the best I could manage

proven canyon
#

huh

#

and your window is it a slide up or does it go out?

sullen silo
#

Goes out

#

We’ve got a special adapter but haven’t installed it yet cuz I’m home alone

proven canyon
#

👍

sullen silo
#

We could drill a hole through the wall for the hose but eh

proven canyon
#

Could you send like the Amazon link to my dms? Gonna like buy one later in the year

hollow aurora
#

Any cell skippers online in like 30 min

bronze bobcat
#

ye

candid jackal
#

not in 30 minutes and not for anyone who's around right now

hollow aurora
candid jackal
#

oh i'm sorry, i didn't think it unreasonable not to play when my room is over 30 degrees hot

hollow aurora
#

Reasonable grumpiness

covert cypress
proven canyon
#

lethal company frfr

mellow pike
sullen silo
#

No

sour jungle
#

We managed to carry a new guy through CS only for them to all kill each other on extract scan

urban nest
#

i was the new guy

hollow aurora
#

Nah it was me

proven canyon
#

Nah it was me

bronze bobcat
#

Nah it was me

rustic bridge
#

Nah it was me

mellow pike
#

it was definitely frosty

hollow aurora
#

Any cell skippers still on

proven canyon
#

Any pingurs

hollow aurora
#

Guys do you think if I just lfg R5E1 I can trick pubs into doing cell skip

proven canyon
#

Do it

hollow aurora
hollow aurora
proven canyon
#

😭🙏

#

What happened?

hollow aurora
#

idk man 3 omegapubs

proven canyon
#

😭🙏

#

Good luck

mellow pike
#

i should get back on cell skip grind

hollow aurora
#

yeah im not giving that any more tries

#

they just dont shoot

proven canyon
#

😭🙏

odd delta
#

ill cell skip with you rn if i get to be mute

hollow aurora
#

bet

mellow pike
#

sure

hollow aurora
odd delta
#

^ lf1

#

moth get in

proven canyon
#

I would but working rn

odd delta
#

FUCK

hollow aurora
proven canyon
#

FUCK

#

like I’m not even supposed to be on my phone rn

proven canyon
odd delta
#

ty for game

hollow aurora
#

ggs

hollow aurora
proven canyon
#

I have faith

odd delta
#

uhhh

#

hm

#

i might

#

does 1.5 hours from now (2.5 from then) work

proven canyon
#

I’m home in like 15 but yes

hollow aurora
odd delta
#

ok ill speedrun some stuff and then we go in 1.5

proven canyon
#

Ye

mint knot
#

Working hard i see

proven canyon
#

Yes

#

Money talks

hollow aurora
proven canyon
#

Me when I use my money to bribe the judge into saying not guilty

mellow pike
mint knot
mellow pike
#

zed gaming đŸ€€

mellow pike
proven canyon
odd delta
#

also that first run where i partial pulled

#

dying there was 100% my bad

#

because

#

i had 2am when i went down and 2 of you were 0/0

proven canyon
#

No syntav should’ve clutched

odd delta
#

in the end forcing me to backtrack for ammo meaning i didn't get to kill mom

#

like yeah the 3 of you should be fine but i made the mistake that meant we died fundamentally

mellow pike
proven canyon
#

Frfr (I will be getting pink)

mellow pike
#

in the end it accumulated into a +1

#

huge

#

skill prog

paper arch
proven canyon
#

Team

#

Icl

#

Im so eepy rn

hollow aurora
hollow aurora
proven canyon
#

I might not be awake

#

And by might

hollow aurora
#

its ok we have 4

proven canyon
#

It’s a guarantee

hollow aurora
mellow pike
#

when medal mod

rustic bridge
fast magnet
#

Any R5e1 cs

bronze bobcat
#

ye

hollow aurora
fast magnet
#

I got a little busy, I will be down later this evening

hollow aurora
#

Sure

hollow aurora
#

any cell skippers on đŸ„ș

delicate flare
#

i do skip jail

hollow aurora
#

what does this mean 😭

mint knot
#

imagine getting a bad run just to whip out the get out of jail card

odd delta
#

me when im about to die in gtfo but i press 2 on my keyboard:

hollow aurora
#

someone needs to make a sawed off spam edit

#

that would go hard as fuck

rustic bridge
#

Get Kenny on it

#

His edits are insane

drifting citrus
#

add one slug shotgun mag mid video to ruin the whole vibe

mellow pike
#

sam is gay

radiant nacelle
#

fuck you

viral monolith
radiant nacelle
#

đŸ˜”đŸłïžâ€đŸŒˆ

hollow aurora
#

just wiped in r4e1 speed cuz we got the most outrageous key of all time after reactor in shadow zone

hollow aurora
#

we didnt know where zone I was and there was a ton of shadow smalls we werent expecting, and we pulled a scout we didnt know they would spawn back ther

placid marten
#

you didnt know where zone I was?

Blink like room? Or what o.O

covert cypress
#

yeah room

#

2nd shadow zone I

placid marten
#

OOOH

#

room I

#

not where „I“ was

#

isnt it on the map for keys d4rkevpeek ?

covert cypress
#

Yes

hollow aurora
#

yeah i was using that map but i still couldnt find it 😭

placid marten
#

F

hollow aurora
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i mean we found it just took a while

covert cypress
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tbf you don’t go there very often

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in normal runs it’s rarely ever in I

placid marten
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honestly I isnt too bad tho

hollow aurora
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i mean

placid marten
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very small room very close to where you enter

hollow aurora
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its pretty bad

covert cypress
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I’ve always been an I defender but nobody else believes in it

placid marten
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Just compare I to J/K/L or G

hollow aurora
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g is not bad imo

placid marten
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oof

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g is garbage

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Thats genuinely a massive room

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which you gotta fight typically

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And you go out of your way by a lot for that key then

covert cypress
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g key always sucks

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unless it’s right at the front

hollow aurora
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i guess im just more used to g

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we can usually get the key there pretty fast

placid marten
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that reminds me of when I thought about best vs worst key rng you can realistically get (as in most variance of a single key)

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Its probably smth like r1b2 or r4c1 tho ngl

hollow aurora
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this speed is lowk super fun tho

placid marten
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Maybe r3c1 hmm

hollow aurora
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then again we arent going for a super good time

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probably around 45:00

placid marten
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actually who am I kidding
Its r2d2 technically

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worst rng between 2 possible key spawns

hollow aurora
odd delta
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if slot opens i probably can, ping

proven canyon
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That comma saved you from a ping ngl

hollow aurora
fast magnet
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R5E1 CS LF1

hollow aurora
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im going through cell skip withdrawls bro

eternal dust
hollow aurora
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I NEED IT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

delicate flare
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least insane gtfo player

eternal dust
hollow aurora
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even then we need to find a third and fourth

paper arch
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hello Mario

hollow aurora
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the world if i coudl play cell skip whenever i wanted

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im just gonna lfg bro

proven canyon
hollow aurora
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