#gtfo-speed-running
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I love being right
while everyone is saying it's like a dopamine rush and other stuffs
you would never understand seeing no more enemies at the end of r6c1 speed
I will say that R5E1 is one of the best consistent speedruns and one of the cooler runs overall
i really like CS icl
its just a very good and diverse speed
even tho i didnt understand anything i still had a lot of fun
also cause i partially caught up with the convo i just wanna say: I messed up top/bottom key in J like 16 times and frosty almost wanted to go for key himself instead of allowing me to fuck it up again
so i doubt a callout or 5 runs of pulling J can say anything
sub 20 is just about having a base minimum level of knowledge and skill and then learning route + execution
i'll just record and then people can review and tell me where i'm fucking up
that base is quite high, but most people in this server who have cleared E tiers and not been carried can do it
I hope everyone understands now why it was so sad seeing no one run r5e1 for such a long time lol
Frosty also wanted to kill us and stop running cell skip in our first session (half deservedly)
Then we ran 10 times better in the 2nd one
no-one runs in general
i wanted to
Hi my name is no-one
idk I hope I'll still be able to find teams for r5e1 speedrun after the contest is over
low-key
these goobers didnt know what they were missing out on
i wanna get my team back together for r4e1 and break rhw sub 30
the rng
was so tilting
rng + me fucking up ngl
that was the 2nd half
i also played like shit
I mean the first half
tgb cannot kill scouts
they win
someone commission a furry artist to make a depiction of a normal scout beating the shit out of mme
honestly
fuck it, add frosty to that image too
deserved anyway
Frosty, pissed off
sadly
Chill gotta start speeding with us surely
I’m down to do some
Also @signal charm chill had a bunch of open lobbies the past 2 weeks
sub 40 e2 when
Just not high rn
What happens first
Sub 15 or 40
unless sub 15 happens tmrw i doubt it happens before sub 40
^
Surely
im down but scheduling will be funny
it was a joke
Will it?
Actually yeah
problem was I was taking care of my mother simultaneously
frosty just gotta fuck his sleep schedule :^ )
this happens every damned time there's a speedrun comp
well it could be doable... we just need to find a consistent setup for unloading dimensions
Idc
nooooo kenny
Kenny has a life unfort
speedrunning gtfo is quite jobless behaviour tho xdddd
im flexible, my usual run time with my team was 11 pm so lol
but those are short sessions
too busy being AUS's most in-demand underwear model
11pm your time?
yea
we run with kenny like… 2am your time or smth
the thing is team
if we do australia-us-europe team... someone is going to have to wake up at 3am or stay giga late up
Frosty
oh wait yea we have frosty mb
I remember playing mornings last summer
FUCK frosty
I take the hit
(their sleep)
when we ran with kenny kolohe wes and me
it was kolohe btw
he woke up at 6am often
Kenny time 
meanwhile during r6c1 comp: me waking up at 2 am
you didn't sleep
fucking got 15:59, went outside and it was sunny and i was confused
Worth
In this case
Honestly yea
Free trip
Rip my bank account tho
wot happen to your bank account
I went to Europe for a month
the bank account will recover. and I'm guessing it was probably worth every cent 🙂
eurocent*
I wasted a lot of money
ah... impulse buys and tourist goodies
i'd enjoy travelling europe and visiting a handful of the people here but that'd have to wait a few years
I'd love to go and visit some of my old warframe mates (known em for 13 years) in UK and germany. maybe meet some peeps from gtfo community too... go visit some of the roller coaster parks in europe and just sight see a few historic places
@warm oak idk noby
we caried remmy through cell skip sub 20
and it took us like
an hour and 20 mins maybe?
and she doesn't speedrun etc..
we dont even have chill or anyone
yeah
checks out
we ended up on surge btw
with 2 people with like 0 ammo
at the beginning of surge
it was kinda cooked
but cfoam carries ig
we clear
always
unforch
its good d cell anyway
And we didnt get a single run to survive into hub over 2 hours on thursday with kenny, frosty tgb and me
it happens
Wdym „only“ 💀
9 is overstatement im pretty sure it was 6
It is in the way that we also (hopefully) are more experienced so it kinda evens out
was about to say
10s pretty damn good
6 is ok
we had 6 uses over 5 hub visits
that was fucked
dude
yesterday
we were COOKED in hub
so cooked were pinging ammo
4 packs not found
3 in G, 1 in F
What kind 
lmaooo
Id be down to run
hypothesis tests
I'm more rested and down to run though not sure if you'd have me. you may have specific people in mind
kek
9 4 1
6 got added today
damn
„IM 6“
average is going up
„STOP TOUCHING ME“
average
Be right there
+2 for memes https://discord.gg/DYHY7FxU
Chat if anyone unironically wants to do sub 20 with me tmrw im down
did chill say if he's gonna play today or nah
the chill guy fan club is parched
o fr vods
I wonder when my roll will be awarded lol
IM DYING OK
Dying Dude
stop dying
im trying
Chill I did have a question
what would you say the #1 thing was regarding your OG R5E1 run from 2 weeks ago was that felt off
lobby today is a possibility? 👀
Do we get a 2nd crash out xd?
yeah soon im just doing homeworjk
I can join in with chill
soon(tm)
I wanna play splits
input buffering
the enemies also were like
fully unresponsive most of the time
but you can just play around muscle memory there
get this chill dude off of discord
and let him do his homework
I need the streams to fall asleep
24/7 lo-fi cell skips to sleep to
^
duly noted, as I know that's just the top of many things that felt off compared to modern day GTFO
input buffering is one of the things, momentum bug is funny too
is it when it stops ur bhops
yeah
yeah that shit sucks
i had better fps in og :D
me when I hop 4 times on the same place
og recoil is also nonexistent
yea both of those are huge
riiiiiiiight the recoil and frames are so nice
idk I'm too new gen
not og pilled
honestly the thing that's the most annoying is
it's a bit weird charging melee one after another
like if I insta hold after a swing it doesn't go through most of the time
yeah hammer charge also takes forever in og
momentum bug does suck, but thats mainly do to current movement habits
ye fair
momentum bug punishes you for frame perfect inputs :D
😔
melee takes the biggest hit on input buffering
like I swear every jump I do is just cooked
oh so that's what was it
I mean I assume strat is hop around and hit occis
but idk it takes time to get used to
there is also being unable to start charging in air or smth like that
man
which in combination with no input buffering makes it very clunky
kinda sus
have you tried playing bio in og
jumping interrupts ping, sprinting interrupts ping
you are forced to walk
omg dead bio pings in og
me when my pings are in fog
and they just flow around on my screen
acid trp experience
I feel like my playstyle specifically was rly bad when trying og
I just decided to do gunplay
since that thing actually feels nicer than vanilla
and it felt aight
i have plenty of experience on both so idrm switching between them
but the thing that struck me about og r4e1 was it felt like i had to cede a lot more ground holding reactor than i would in ALT
ogr1 gunplay goes hard (it's awful)
maybe the guns? maybe the tile
ya og r1 is awful, so fucking awful
i was trying to solo r1a1 a handful of weeks back and oh my god
holding alarms with guns is not something you do
that doesn't sound too bad
the guns are actually awful though
I think it was 6 mag pump too
should i hop in vc and boot up og r1
think so
that's uncharacteristic of you sky
LF2M the finals players 
I can play in a bit
"im free", he says, heading back into the cell skip dungeon to fulfill his daily quota
dungeon??
I mean ig that depends on the lobby
but
idk the bad ones are still fun
deadass the only rly bad ones are the ones that die on final surge for no reason a ton of times
that shits just depressing
Any pingers https://discord.gg/DYduN85U
i could, though i'd also appreciate some few minutes to grab a drink and brush teeth
thx
train left
choo choo
some day the train will come through my station
time to nap and see if lobby slot appears when i wake up again
so close yet so far moment?
Also wtf
We got 2 split meds for first zone
In the same fucking locker
happens
Ping if anyone is running
did you submit our run or do you know who did
LF1
rip zed
F
🫠
cell skipper already dying out
fr
Any cellskippers left? Have time all sunday?Maybe some help from for getting it done or at least have some fun.
Last day of chill suffering🙏
Then we get pub tier list, let’s goooo
it will all be joever soon
miss egg still needs a sub 20
become egg
I am egg x3
can we get egg^egg^egg
get your ass into call for R5D1 speedruns
bithc we have 2minutes left
i will find u
and murder ur wings
shore
egg = egg
well so egg is actually egg = eg^2
so many eggs
so many eggs
a lot, especially in america
if we knew the value of egg we could figure out egg to the egg to the egg power
nutritionally or financially?
financially. anyways the peak price of eggs in the us was like, 8 dollars
so egg to the egg to the egg is like 6.27e57
avian flu?
bird flu made a generation of hen laying eggs not producable
so it took like six months for the market to recover
we can make it super boring too and say the value is one, so 1^1^1
Boooooooooo
what are these balatro numbers
if we want to make it even more boring, 8 dollars was the price of a dozen
that means that one egg is like 66 cents
can we use 0.666 just for fun
we can. so egg to the egg to the egg is like
eggs =/= egg tho 
I'm glad you think I'm that valuable
you can keep the penny though
egg is clearly having fincancial problems. they need it
% base tier list will go so hard
never thought I'd be discussing eggs and maths at the same time
just because you sprang the trap doesnt mean there wasnt one
can't wait to reach that now
it's just a tank in B and you see a bbc next to him
tetration moment or something
just say fuck it we're not tank trapping
checks out
hardest part about cell skip speeds is not taking the tank bait
you should skip to like 4 hours in ngl
or maybe like 3
see the end of the depression period
LOL
listen bro
i'll enjoy the torture whilst playing minecraft
deadass
@oblique lotusare these allegations correct
LMAO
i just watched team stand on a venny
chill is giving ammo
and a giant snipes chill cause no one shoots to stagger
damn i always miss the good streams 
you have missed a lot of the good shit
💀
And the rest 3 hours
"no one is laughing"
Is today last day of event?
U can tell the difference
I should rly check a vod back and see how my demeanor changes over a 4 hour span
the difference in like 10 minute periods is crazy
how can you not laugh with duck when he says "my mcdonalds order messed up my cok"
go from laughing ur ass off to actual depression
SUB 15 WHEN
never
When u get a sub 15
tomorrow
Man tmr is not a pub lobby
surely
i l o v e s c a t t e r g u n
surely the slots are nice to us
I’m disappointed
duck we always get replaced
I watched Eva’s POV and it felt so quick lmao
by these speedrunners
r5e1 is officially at the slot machine point unfortunately
GAMBLE🤑🤑🤑🤑
rolling for HD keys and C cell pretty much
then gaming out
im killing myself
sad
Pls get noby the sub 20 before comp end @glass cradle
tbh
Just dm more speed runner
with zed an you duck i think we can get noby sub 20
dw ill pull up and we get it
And 3 carry
*sisyphus 🤓
ty cat
im sisyphus
susyphus
sus
kinda sus
theres a lot of ruiners now
i saw the korean team
based korean team running sniper
140 is not enough
true
wait
surely I hit 150 tomorrow
I gotta find out whos richest rn
I CAN SUB TOO?
cuz I have no clue how fast ppl get channel points
ezpz
"come back when you're a little mmmmmmmmm... richer"
not that fast
guys i need more gtfo streamers
sorry I don't strim
yes
more attention obviously
i can be content, without the streaming part tho
but how can i chat then
typing
^
to be honest idk if i can stream r5e1 lmao, i already have shit fps on the lvl, with stream im prolly gonna be like 20 fps or less gaming
i owuld never be able to
i could stream myself but im just searching the resources of r8b4 on the first terminal not very riveting content
avg
i can fill for lobbies today if anyone needs one more
The streamers need more gtfo viewers 🥲
Without looking it up
What are the shortest/fastest levels for each rundown
?
And which are (as of rn) the longest
not you tgb
fuck u
i'm putting mine as a spoiler
are we talking glitched or glitchless
glitchless
main only?
yes
R4A3 might be a decent contender for R4 but im not sure if theres any other quick main
100% times are unoptimized all across the board (the longest time there as of rn is R5D1 I will say tho)
||NOOOOOO I WAS WRONG||
r1b1, r2b1, r3a2, r4a1, r5a1, r6a1, r7a1, r8a1?
some are def wrong
||so many fucking A tiers, I was thinking maybe r7d2 is longer so r7 would also not have an A tier but nothing beats short ass levels||
3 wrong
tbh i wasnt that surprised for ||R1||
ngl surprised that ||r2a1|| is faster than ||r2b1||
chat any CS'ers around?
||both have giga slow af extract scan so they balance out||
||r2a1 can go sub 4:20 but idk exactly how far r2b1 can go||
Answers:
Shortest:
R1 - ||A1 (2:43)||
R2 - ||A1 (4:24)||
R3 - ||A2 (3:39)||
R4 - ||A1 (4:01)||
R5 - ||B2 (3:38)||
R6 - ||A1 (4:40)||
R7 - ||A1 (5:28)||
R8 - ||A1 (5:29)||
Longest
R1 - ||C1 (20:26)||
R2 - ||D2 (33:26)||
R3 - ||A3 (16:50)||
R4 - ||E1 (21:28)||
R5 - ||B4 (33:17)||
R6 - ||C3 (33:31)||
R7 - ||C3 (35:32)||
R8 - ||E2 (41:44)||
||r7c3|| could go lower but not low enough to be below any other level
c2?
||c3|| mb
R6C1 funnily enough is the 2nd longest level in R6 that isnt a reactor or warden protocol
@proven canyon they dont rly show it
damn
its a bit quirky
a bit special
now EVA, where are those times for those levels if all story logs are obtained
since I know that's a criteria on the boards
lol
🤔
it luckily wont ever be
seems like Eva doesnt like how the logs were implemented 🤔
(I'm just messing around I know it's the logs for the run itself)
(yea lol)
some of those logs are in just awful locations
R8A2 secondary moment
we can see if you interacted with boosters in your own log
but like, its easier to booster scroll than to get 4 logs
yea lool
but also why is only one log needed for the submissions? and why only one pov?
- typically host logs (we can check a ton of things through host)
- to make submitting easier
yea
does solo runs req booster scroll?
ait
hence 4 povs = booster scroll
same as reading up last in lobby
its rly just proof for no boosters
ye
oh yea right its like right above ur hp bar?
i wonder if i shall do a R4A3 solo run hmmmmmmmm
or trio with bots
im gonna have to get a map cuz i thought this was R4A2 lol
its gonna be close if you only count 1 sub category yea
34 (37 with unverified)
tutorial has 38 rn
if you combine runs overall its also interesting (tho ill have to add up some numbers real quick)
wasnt there a tool for getting keys in logs?
https://github.com/rfvgyhn/gtfo-log-tracker/releases was it this one?
ty 🙏
this bouta be the worst run to ever grace R4A3 but is what it is
ty
R7A1 : 36
R1A1: 43 (if you combine both)
R3D1: 25
R5E1: 36 (39)
R6C1: 20
Tutorial: 43
with solo-full team, glitchless and glitched
tryna figure out how to work this logger lmao
op figured it
8 mins 18 seconds
world record no?
for what?
you mean r4a3?
oh yea
yeah no body is running that
Trio speeds are pretty much a joke category
😔
its with two bots btw
anyway yeah any time submitted will be wr
💀
I thought there's a submitted 8 18 kek
honestly i would just try and find at least another person and do duo runs
nah ur fine and im just meme running
cuz duo is like near 5 flat or smth

it's pretty goofy
team is there a mod that allows me to edit a booster that doesn't fucking suck
cause tgb didnt a month ago
^
even going for a run with 3 bots is better than trio
i thought custom boosters does that
or perfect boosters
i never submit to src since i dont have yt link
idk both of those just fucking change what boosters i have baseline
yeah i just submitted it lmao
and im fucking stupid apparently because i can't figure out how they work
are you trying r8e2 solo or some shit
yes and i don't have the supply efficiency bold i want to run
something something im too stupid and can't figure out how it works but ill try again
speedrunning discord
ooooh ok
also try getting a solid run
fair enough, ig i need more planning
maybe, would be funi bot WR tho
finding friends to play with is always good
and just trying out some speedrunning
setting your own goals
theres unironically a few people who are pretty new to speedrunning who are generally interested but dont have a team
nope
NO NOT MY R6A1 TRIO
If I could (which I can) and everyone wanted to (then yes)
can we remove tutorial
tutorial is goated
there is nothing bad with having trios
well in theory
but nobody runs it
get 4.05 then speak

goat lemme have one WR plz
aside from "free record" hunters and people who lack a 4th (for lack of asking)
chat is this true?
im not a dictator lol
and I also actually dont
you just said to me that people have submitted trio runs
you are a super player though
you could be
guys last time we had a german dictator it did NOT go well
Obama is the suprepower being so think about who you need to get under your control to remove something
mr president we need to remove the trio category from the gtfo speedrunning leaderboards
but yea theres a serious case of trio runs being very "unserious"
R1A1, R6A1 and R7A1 are the only ones I can think of that are pretty good?
well savi did his runs because 2 of his teammates were serving or whatever
so most of those arent like trolls
ah right savi did some somewhat serious trios aswell
r8a1 is also decent from what i remember
and yea in general savi
I dont think there is any real argument against having trio runs on the leaderboard
if there are runs which are intentionally playing badly
remove those runs
it's trio, therefore they're playing badly
qed
removing the whole category because it isn't ran as much as the others or in general much more interesting is a bad idea
especially when there have been runs submitted which were somewhat grinded
i dont see a reason for them to be removed
why was it added lol
frosty when r5b2 trio glitched
its great because i can have 3/4 of the r6a1 records
why not all?
cause he's bad
L
bc fuck r6a1 solo rng
because there are 4 categories and not 3
need 1 for sub 20 starting soon
I could join, if you'll have me
sorry we already got one
all good
C key is more likely than B
because there are more boxes for it to spawn
logs dont show that tho
@placid marten if we get the two logs (i forgor to booster scroll) will they allow it?
you should run all B boxes
if we get a hacking lock its jover cuz we lose time and have to micro hacket more
i mean you arent going for wr so the hack doesnt matter
Where is one meant to put logs when submitting a run?
in their discord
cs lf1
TGB splitter really doesnt like double monitor huh
Mods had enough of people complaining about runs not being verified fast enough
Mine got accepted in like half an hour
lol
kind of, try to play around with the x, y positions. If it really doesn't work, just drag it manually wherever u want it each time, gonna be more annoying but there really isnt an easy fix to it
Tgb could split my legs and change my x y position
I dont see one
sadge
I only see cell map
since its only used for secondary, no (sec is awful to run anyway)
do something semi fun like R5A2 at least
im malding rn
Eva, I know people are being annoying, but slow down with the verifications man
when are we gonna get a mod that magically improves performance 10x and is allowed in speedruns? 
not in vanilla
@warm oak @restive mirage @minor condor (i hope I got everyone correct)
I need your logs from the "23 hours 33m" (aka 23m 33s) run of all 3 since I couldnt find a booster scroll in chills pov
mods are not allowed because they allow loading a dll which may or may not contain allowed modifications to the game
and also a pet peeve of mine: they introduce a fuckton of issues and bugs compared to vanilla
fix bouges too 🙃
just wait until i map the plant samples then run it
whens that?
could be next week, could be 6 months
@proven canyon do you have a lock melter
those plant sample splits are just diabolical

Take it
Anyways hoping that my YouTube upload doesn’t fuck up again so I can submit it today
Sometimes it gets stuck at ”almost done”
does challenge end on Monday morning or night
Can’t you like datamine those fuckers or whatever it’s called
I just map them using the logs
Aight
I thought every level would be done tbh
But ig levels that aren’t ran aren’t done
is mapping just checking the number in the logs and then finding the box?
It’s different for plant samples and stuff I gotta map specific seeds to boxes
So I gotta keep dropping in to get the seed for each box spawn
Then map them all to their respective box ids
I’ve done it for multiple levels
Nvm ig he can be asked
But like to put it into perspective, for me to do all the keys and data cubes for r6d4 it took me about 4 hours
is keys and stuff like that simpler tho
And I’m guessing you needed to do same thing?
Keys is just making the maps
For cubes and stuff I have to make the maps, then also get the seeds
It’s the same for cubes, ids, osips, glps, etc
Basically anything that isn’t a key
Or a heavy object
@glass cradle is today or tmrw tierlist time :^ )
tomorrow, today is last chance to get F tier on tierlist surely
tonight should be a couple tour guides -> actual runs
I havent gotten a clear
I might just compile a winrate list so I dont have to get pfps
Tbh I’m down to run a CS rn 😭🙏 just not that fucking shit level
ill probably do that in advance
But idk if it’d be a good clear
and then save the overall stats for stream
you need to eat after experiencing a rapid decline in sanity by walking into R5A1 Sec
chat i will admit to being giga stupid rn: what the fuck does CS mean cause I can only think of computer science
Already done
cell skip
cell skip
R5E1 cs
At least for now
good cause my guess was gonna be "competition speedrun"
Any pingurs active?
tgb03 was literally on the 15:13 run and didnt know what cs meant
I thought you were the one doing the pfp compiling :^ )
Lol yea he was
Thats just tgb
I mean 
If you tell me who, then I can send you all the pfps
i stayed up all night so im going to sleep actually
Wdym
ITS LITTERALY EVENING
would be nice
bro when i hear cs the first think i think of is computer science and next is counter strike
hopefully i hibernate for 8 years
can keep the WRs a bit more ambiguous then
Just send me a dm or smth
I likely have half the pfps already and the other half would be quick to get
If you want I could throw that all into a tierlistmaker tierlist
@misty veldt the vid got stuck at "still processing" so its gonna be a late submission if not tmrw lol
you can still make the src submission with the video processing, i think soy would understand
nah R4A3 speedrun
also i got sub 25
ah lmao
This is why we don’t upload in 4k for a 5 minute run

with a heavy carry from sky star and another guy
it got stuck at all res it processes for so not that reason but yea lol
@warm oak @minor condor
the stats are already looking funny
what about them
No wonder sky is detoxing lol
e2 soon
I have a script to download every picture just have to wait for message from soy with all the mentions lmao
May one ask what this tier list is?
How cooked you were
@glass cradle I wouldn't mind joining in for todays runs
we start soon
10 mins
i'm sniping
didnt get a single W with lakana apparently
You said it like you want to snipe my spot lmao
i'm sniping a spot
i've played too much gtfo today i aint joining this one
idk whose yet 
ray will be there so 2 slots open presumably
i'm writing a script to monitor every chill's message, it's over for you
surely i snipe one spot for 1 single round, immediately throw and then get the cleanest 0% of all time
nah that kid that rule 7d the lobby already has the best 0%
surely i just do 1 run with chill and ray and get sub 20 instantly and leave 
@fallen zealot you throwing? 
nah they just have not been running much at all with chill
yeah only 1 session and it was a bad one
yeah was really rough ngl
saw yesterday vod started awful
yea hit was pretty close to yesterday
i mean our yesterday
wait
that was with you right
or am I blanking
Was it that one vod where chill got licked cuz no one shot giant?
it was late so my mind wasnt there
I didn't play yday
yeah that's yesterday
Yea didn’t look the best 😭🙏
chat idk I'm going to bed have work tmrw
it was like a diff kind of rough
it was a lobby that shouldve been clearing but wasnt cuz everyone was tired
or checked out
Yea when the mental isn’t there it’s like a billion times harder
damn, that was a fast snipe
get in noby
@restive mirage you around (or anyone else looking for 20)
@urban nest
low 17 pace
I reminded noby to hold out scattergun after we just completed class 6 alarm
we going into the surge alarm
I call out that snatcher is coming back
noby fails to kill snatcher
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2450540403?t=01h46m07s
Like I said in Chills chat
That's not even checked out
that's way worse
Sounds about right
@fast magnet u gonna be around later?
we all have our moments
Sadly ya
some people might have them much more frequently
Noby reacter only AFTER snatcher ran past him
but ya idk if noby will ever show their face again with all this ribbing
Peak reaction time with a callout
Pfft real
@glass cradle RAJ may be down for some runs also if Vence gets sub 20
Maid or I may also potenitally join for that idk
Some a little to often..
I am cooked
4 AM
doubt
Ok got it
Just ping whenever
i just had an H key first zone
D second key C cell
at mom door with cell in like 8 minutes then wiped man
Okay let me finish this attempt
expect within 2
done
get in
@glass cradle Got room for one after rory's runs?
yea sure
sweet ping when good
I think this could’ve been said in dms tbh
yeah the public flaming is actually just unwarranted
avg
like pretty pathetic
The fuck you mean you literally are the one doing it
idc what u say
idc what u think about me
they were delusional about getting sub 20
I told them they're not getting it
that's all there is to it
That is not all you said lmao
but considering other incidents with you im not surprised this is coming from you
man
this is the speedrunning channel i remember :D
theres a simple fix hmm
Tbh this should be rebranded as event channel
Big juicer on class 6 alarms
prolly like 6 cst




