gtfo-speed-running

[median quarry]

well i'm asking like 2 questions right now

[coral pelican]

r2b1 solo

[median quarry]

i assume you door bugged one of the doors for the class 7 right

[coral pelican]

yup

[median quarry]

so is removing the most challenging part of the entire expedition considered neat

[orchid copper]

things are heating up in the "play GTFO real fast" community

[delicate flare]

yeah kinda it is neat
a very funk twist

[coral pelican]

nope
but i personally find the run up to the class 7 to be kinda interesting

[delicate flare]

i mean it is neat tho

if used correctly is a funk bug

[nimble ridge]

nah door bug is neat in a lawless context

[delicate flare]

unless u just cheat with it, not speedrun
like with a lobby with newerplayers

but in speedruns is cool

[late linden]

game breaking bugs are neat if everyone involved is into that, game is PvE so it's not like sleepers are going to form an Union and denounce the players

[median quarry]

probably just me but i think not fighting a class 7 alone is pretty not interesting

[delicate flare]

i would guess its more fun to do it
than watchin a yt video about it to

but idk

[late linden]

Oh I'm not getting into the whole debacle of what rules you guys use for speedrunning since I dont speedrun myself

[delicate flare]

i dont me nots speed walks

[late linden]

And I'll agree that door glitch trivializes most levels if not all of them

[coral pelican]

yeah i don't think running around standing in scans for 5 minutes is super engaging, but i think the run itself is pretty neat, and then you have an rng gauntlet at the end

and i'm not over saying i'm the most skilled at this game because of it

[median quarry]

i think managing the resource between 2 blood doors and gunning down an entire class 7 without going to resource zone is kinda more interesting

[coral pelican]

i just think it's a fun run

[coral pelican]

then do that run sorry

[candid jackal]

can't do anything about its existence, but you can certainly argue that lawless/door bug removes a very big part of skill expression from the game

[nimble ridge]

then watch/do restricted runs lol

[median quarry]

who's the fastest one currently

[candid jackal]

R2B1 solo it doesn't look like there are any runs

there's a duo run and 2 full teams

[median quarry]

so there are more r2b1 doorbug solos speedruns than playing the game normally

[orchid copper]

yeah

[delicate flare]

u can do a speedrun runnin w/o the bug

[late linden]

I mean, kiting waves is one thing

[median quarry]

that is kinda sad

[coral pelican]

it was what i wanted to do, and evidently there was no one that wanted to do it normally

[late linden]

Glitching a door so shit spawns stuck behind it is easier

[coral pelican]

i'm not that great at combat in this game but i like the game so lawless is a pretty good speedrun for me

[median quarry]

you make a good point

[wind cliff]

There is a really cool one by Soviet badger

[candid jackal]

speedrun to get better at the game

or that's one thing you can do, anyway

holding r1a1 aint bad for getting a bit better

[median quarry]

it seems like people who do lawless speedruns just want a record rather than actually work on it

[nimble ridge]

Or just enjoy a different run

[coral pelican]

i worked on my run
i started with a 9:xx don't remember exactly, and improved it down to a 7:22
i just wanted to work on a different run than you think i should have

accepting a pretty crappy run and submitting and not improving it indicates to me that you just want the record

[orchid copper]

why do you watch lawless speedruns if you don't like them

they're literally categorized as lawless

its not like they're saying it's the best/ 'highest skill' speedrun

[median quarry]

where did i say i watch them, i was literally asking what is it

[orchid copper]

its just "this is how fast we can go with glitches"

[median quarry]

are you just putting words in my mouth because it really does seem like it

[orchid copper]

Okay is this better "why do you spend so much time bitching about lawless"

[median quarry]

i'm just asking how is it works to get a better understanding of it

and it reaffirms my initial thought

[coral pelican]

saying it's a meaningless category isn't really asking how it works lol

[median quarry]

which is why i asked why is it considered meaningful

[coral pelican]

like that's your opinion and it's fine to hold that if you really don't like it, but i'm arguing against it because i disagree with that opinion lol

[delicate flare]

sayin that the only videos of r2b1 r like that 'its kinda sad' its not askin about it either, not tryin to understand it

[candid jackal]

Bill did ask what lawless was as one of his first messages

[delicate flare]

idk how to word it but yall get it

[median quarry]

well is it odd or not that there is more people doing it with game-breaking bugs rather than the normal method

[nimble ridge]

"more" in that there's 1 person versus 0 on one level lol

[median quarry]

is it 1 person

[candid jackal]

like yeah you can say that Bill is an absolute twat but it's painful when something gets ignored or missed

[nimble ridge]

Yes lol

[median quarry]

ok let me check

[candid jackal]

no it's more than one person, but right now there's only run on the leaderboard

[nimble ridge]

There is one R2B1 lawless solo run
There are no R2B1 solo runs lol

[candid jackal]

On the leaderboards at this current moment, there are more lawless run videos not on the leaderboard iirc

at this rate people are gonna be calling me Snopes for fact checking stupid shit

[indigo quarry]

hello bill can i please pause exploit outside of lawless thanks

[late linden]

What does Eric Chapman have to say about this?

Has he been informed?

[coral pelican]

it's actually 3, void and wesley each had a run

[median quarry]

yea so there are infinitely more people doing it lawless when you look at it

[coral pelican]

but voids hasn't gotten verified and i don't think wesley submitted

[indigo quarry]

eric chapman says "I do not want to have a sexual relationship with you. I am not homosexual."

[nimble ridge]

Alright, point conceded, but also this isn't some huge conspiracy of people trying to undermine restricted runs

[coral pelican]

restricted is by far more popular lol

looking at the one level just because it's the one i ran is kinda pointless

[coral pelican]

at least as far as i've ever been aware

[indigo quarry]

bill i still need an answer pls

[median quarry]

well you seem really adamant at defending it so i'm using you as an example, given the small playerbase of the game, we need to understand that leads to a small sample size as well

[coral pelican]

i'm adamant on defending that it's not meaningless

restricted is definitely more skillful

[placid marten]

"bill"

[late linden]

"Francis"

[candid jackal]

if you're not seeing what I'm seeing then uhh

[coral pelican]

might need to get your eyes checked pachi, clearly it says b*dg*r

[orchid copper]

simple as this. yeah exploit/lawless is a lot easier speedrunning but it's still a speedrun

thats why its a seperate category

[placid marten]

it also speeds up some parts of the gameplay, where its interesting to find out how quick stuff gets

aka speedrunning

[median quarry]

yea english is definitely not their strongest suit

[coral pelican]

it's almost like the core goal of speedrunning is going as fast as you can, even with the use of glitches

[vernal glen]

i did both ways

12:55 restricted and 7:33 lawless

both are fun 👍

didnt upload restricted cuz its still ass and didnt upload lawless cuz ur still faster anyway

[coral pelican]

Personally I prefer leader boards to be properly accurate and thus would prefer it to still be there, but eh to each their own

[vernal glen]

i dont see much point in it

i'd do it if it was less effort or i had REAL unlimited bandwith

[coral pelican]

oh bandwidth is very valid lol

as for point, idk it's just a personal preference thing ig
i just like leaderboards to be filled out
cause like, it's not just meant to be showing who's in first ig

[heady sapphire]

I guess the category lawless is just the absolute fastest it can go

and that’s its only selling point

because nothing will actually make it faster unless something completely new is discovered later and there’s no way to cheese a lawless speedrun because it’s part of the rules

[grave path]

this episode was boring...

[heady sapphire]

fair

let’s get on to the skillful ones

[wind cliff]

It is just a teaser

[coral pelican]

i mean, you can still come up with better strats and improve execution/rng

[placid marten]

and if something is discovered it will most likely be added to said rules

[versed echo]

Not really

Majority of the time restricted is actually faster

Excluding terminal levels

Doorbugging takes time

Just compare R1A1 runs

4 minutes vs 9

Nobody uses boosters either on the board so we can exclude that too

[native crest]

I think, when I go to the boxing community, and I watch a middleweight fight, and I think its pretty neat, and then I go watch a heavyweight fight, I do not go "but being allowed to be bigger just trivialises this thing, UGH heavyweight SUCKS".

I think when you arrive at a community, and a bunch of people have given value to a thing, and you don't see value in the thing, chances are it's that you're stupid and you should probably just ask why the thing is valued.

[candid jackal]

But is this due to the distinction between restricted and lawless, or other factors like player skill and rng

[versed echo]

While that may be true, for this select level lawless will ALWAYS be slower than restricted

Time loss occurs once you start bugging both doors

Even the most skilled player will lose time in lawless in R1A1

[native crest]

Technically you can just submit restricted runs as lawless runs though 😉

[versed echo]

No double submitting on the board

[native crest]

Don't submit to restricted, or would it get auto put in restricted

[versed echo]

You have to choose

You can’t leave it blank

[candid jackal]

does the time loss take into account what you could lose by having to cleanup waves/take breaks from scanning to clear enemies

[native crest]

Just get a 4 minute R1A1 twice it's just that easy folks

[versed echo]

Default option is restricted though

[versed echo]

That’s just even more time loss

Actually

In lawless

Let’s say time killing enemies is roughly the same between the 2

Eliminate the variable

Ultimately with best seed, best enemy positions, just god run

Purely doorbugging vs restricted, restricted will always be faster

[candid jackal]

that's not what I was asking

I was asking whether the time loss from bugging doors takes into account the time you could lose in restricted from having to kill enemies on scans/after alarm

[versed echo]

It has to

You kill enemies after scan

Gotta get out

[native crest]

The key word void is playing on is could. It is theoretically possible to not lose time clearing enemies. And thus a run where you never stop to door bug is theoretically faster.

[candid jackal]

that much I know, I'm thinking in terms of an average/practical run

I can see doorbug saving time, or at least not losing time, over a run that like

[versed echo]

You lose at least 10 seconds per door bugging it

2 doors needing to be bugged

20 seconds of time loss

Not being able to clear enemies right away is probably an additional 10 seconds

[wind cliff]

Tbh the whole aspect “meaningful” is kinda crazy we play a game that has 1000 concurrent players at any point. Seems like someone has a bad experience with themselves and this server tbh

[native crest]

Yeah, you're just thinking in very different terms. In a practical run, it depends on the level - a level like R2B1, door bug is likely to save a lot of time (for solo, because the enemies be scary). But in R1A1, it's probably more even.

[versed echo]

The running back to door is 5 seconds time loss

When you could be through the zone

R1A1 restricted runs are pretty fucked though

[candid jackal]

maybe, though that also depends on whether or not enemy spawns decide to troll you on that run (not trying to kick my feet about and dispute what you're saying, but it's something that happens in the runs)

[native crest]

clearly the most meaningful thing in the game is clear numbers because it's the only thing the game actually permanently records - we should have competititions for most clears of levels

[versed echo]

Yea can be fucked

[candid jackal]

late giant is an especially big troll

[wind cliff]

And even that is modable

[candid jackal]

mods ruin everything, modders ruin everything, back to the dark ages!

[native crest]

Well they'd have to record every clear obviously, and then the verifiers can just watch every clear smh easy fix

[wind cliff]

Such easy fix

[coral pelican]

in a 4 player run couldn't it be even or maybe faster?
cause surely not everyone is doing something at all times during the run
probably not the first door but the second i feel like it wouldn't be slower

actually nvm i realize the issue now

cause hsu full team

[native crest]

You could door bug class 4 without time loss while the other player(s) get key, but you still might technically lose time to soft collision on the way back to extract

[candid jackal]

I think in full team you could also just foam/mine door

[versed echo]

It would be way slower than 4 man restricted, even more heavily time loss than solo

It’s even more massive

Because you smash door, not hack

[coral pelican]

right but
surely you could have someone bugging it while whoever is getting key

[versed echo]

Pointless

Why would you do that?

By then wave and scan are done

[coral pelican]

stand on scans peacefully

[versed echo]

Oh for the class IV

[coral pelican]

yeah second door, not first

[versed echo]

No massive time loss trying to clear then get back to HSU scan

Everyone needs to be at HSU immediately

[coral pelican]

yeah i realized hsu scan was issue

if it wasn't full team then only one person'd have to get it others would clear it, but that's kinda not how it works

[wind cliff]

It is only time save if you have down time

Or if you want to not avoid thinking about sleepers

[indigo quarry]

use pause instead of doorbug

huge time save

[wind cliff]

Stuck jump*

[indigo quarry]

my point stands

[winged crane]

Need players

[wind cliff]

This isn’t an lfg channel bro so unless you gonna type something toxic

Gtfo

[weary oriole]

You suck

[main wigeon]

you stink

[placid marten]

Or, this is something i explained before

You dont door bug, but you use other glitches

[versed echo]

True, but we're talking purely doorbugging, all else equal

So disregard bhopping and terminal uplink skip

Uplinks don't even exist in R1A1

[placid marten]

Bhops, silent shots and shooter bug (last one only solo) all are reliable speed ups if pulled of well

they might only safe 2-3 seconds total, but thats still there

[versed echo]

Yea but I’m saying just doorbugging

Since that’s what always pops in everyone’s head first

[edgy veldt]

doorbug great for solo runs

[queen kernel]

Damn

[edgy veldt]

solo lawless speedruns

[queen kernel]

Ah

[crimson shore]

lf 2 people to equip 1 booster and spam the trio lawless categories, literally submit our first runs and claim to be the best speedrunners since we hold the most worldrecords

[edgy veldt]

sounds stupid but fun

lets just equip the minus Bioscan speed booster to make it cursed

[crimson shore]

I'm mostly joking but imagine actually doing that and acting egotistical

Suddenly other trio lawless groups spam clearing. Suddenly becomes most popular category

[teal fulcrum]

My man

Theres like 3 teams

And their like the same 20 people but mixed

[wind cliff]

Yup

tbh gtfo speedrunning is mainly a community effort and a great goal is sun of best all of gtfo sub 24 hours

[teal fulcrum]

Its not like in the gud old days

[wind cliff]

I think it is pretty possible r1-7 sub 24

[teal fulcrum]

We need cinematic camera

Come.on 10cc

[wind cliff]

yeah would be huge

[teal fulcrum]

Iso we can get gtfo competitions

"Friendly" competition

[wind cliff]

Dragon gtfo race sound fun or na?

[teal fulcrum]

Then we just lash out at eachother as toxic as we can get in speedrub channel

[teal fulcrum]

It does

[wind cliff]

best part of speedrunning but you have to clear level

[teal fulcrum]

It just gotta be "fun shit talking" not actual toxic shit talking and you can promote to people

[wind cliff]

Tbh it can be pretty wholesome just becoming better gtfo players

Pushing each others within the frames of competition

[teal fulcrum]

Allow modded maps

We got another ums race

[ripe scaffold]

Speedrunning lore > gtfo lore tbh

[wind cliff]

Yeah we have a seeder right now

That makes seeds static

For gtfo race

I am not lieing

I just need to find the day we go and host it

[teal fulcrum]

I played this game for 3 years

I do not know what the fuck the story its about

I just shoot

[wind cliff]

Do you want a booster. I can’t let you have one

you don’t want to be a slave now do ya

[teal fulcrum]

I do love the romance between schaefer and henrikson

[wind cliff]

Claus Henderson Sir

What are your orders

Objective stack empty sir

[edgy veldt]

ik

[wind cliff]

Honestly they are really good

Best part of gtfo story

[queen kernel]

Any advice for beating your duo R3D1 speed run?

[wind cliff]

so the run is really beatable

[queen kernel]

I always get caught up on looking at stuff i need to fill up than getting the actual stuff to pass through

[wind cliff]

you have to just risk it

burst mines is probs a must

you might be able to take mine foam

[queen kernel]

I mean based on me and Mushroom duoing

I liked the auto mines

[wind cliff]

na

mine foam or mine burst

[queen kernel]

Gives off some pulling chargers stuff

[wind cliff]

mine foam is you want to run for tool

auto idk if it cuts it

[queen kernel]

Where to foam tho on the ground to just buy time?

[wind cliff]

na the doors

[queen kernel]

So just hold it tight till scans done

[wind cliff]

um like maxism you time

[queen kernel]

Hmm

[wind cliff]

scan for a s long as you can

then re foam door

burst cannon is a must

[queen kernel]

I mean we both had most trouble for the 2 divided scout room and queen anyway

[wind cliff]

on both people

hel shot gun is probs a must

[queen kernel]

Hmm

[wind cliff]

hel shot gun

just clear first baby wave

then do the extract mines we did for blood door

then it is only one more baby wave

[queen kernel]

I mean mushroom did the mine strat for both mom and queen

[wind cliff]

what do you mean

???

dont let time

confuse you

[queen kernel]

Basically he baits the queen out for 1 wave of babis and mine the door

[wind cliff]

this is to slow

you probs wont beat us with it

[queen kernel]

Cause we werde quick with autos and did scan without using the door

Hmm

True

39mins to beat the level 1st try

[wind cliff]

that is a lot of time

you need to save

[queen kernel]

Yeah

Ill try foam and mines next time

Im well better off with the veruta than the burst cannon

[wind cliff]

na

you wont beat able to make it through

charger zone

[queen kernel]

True

[wind cliff]

hel gun burst if you dont like burst

[queen kernel]

Need enough dmgs to just push through

Hel gun goes through Tyrones as well ?

[wind cliff]

yeah pen 4

[queen kernel]

Wowzers

Any other levels you like in particular?

I like R5B1 alot

And i think its speedrun able

The thing slowing everything down is basically secondary

Tried to do it under 45 but bugged terminal

[wind cliff]

i do want a time on every level

but r5 and r4 are imposing

[round kite]

R1a1

[placid marten]

You are joking, but people do this. And it can even be a good thing (the egositical thing aside) when it motivates people to run those categories to beat the not optimized times

Tho obviously trio for gtfo is kinda bleh

[crimson shore]

silence, germany. trio for gtfo is the intended experience

that's why i play. i'm deadbeat deadweight to deliver the fully intended experience in 4 mnas

[placid marten]

That reminds me, what would the sum of the current times be?

R1 is ~50 min
R2 (missing D2 and a restricted B3 and C1) is around 1 hour rn
R3 (with a scuffed as hell C1) is at 1 hour 5 or so
R7 (missing C2) is at 2 hours 10 min?

[crimson shore]

nah but seriously iunno, it is a good thing but i think this game is just doomed to be the same few folk playing it

speedrunning scene is never gonna be as robust as i hope it would be. which is sad

i feel like the game is just outwardly hostile to the new player experience

[placid marten]

Speedrunning - niche
Gtfo - niche

It adds up

tho the real issues with speedrunning rn imo is that

1. people think its harder than it is
2. theres a lot of overlap between 4 man squads (void/wesley/bread/me) and the ones that run less usually dont run without one of those above
3. unneeded drama being offputting towards people whod want to try it
4. it being a time investment

[versed echo]

Hi

[crimson shore]

-barely goes on sale, and if it does it's only like 33% off. after 3 years of release.
-teeming with bugs. (these range from minor annoyances, like stragglers being stuck and 59/60 reloads to FUCK YOUR LEVEL, checkpoint bug, terminal bug)
-matchmaking more dysfunctional than anything i've ever seen
-if you do join discord to matchmake, look at the absolute size of it. there's just so much junk to sift through. half of these channels could go and it would honestly not impact much.
-no kick feature for some reason so if you get a cheater, tough luck. us vets know what to look for and which names are already alright to play with. on top of already having clears so there is no big stakes if we just drop the level or whatever.
-booster system is just awful to interact with. this is a minor offence but like, the menu closes if you click too quickly, discarding trash ones take too long, there are too many pretty trash ones. get like 9 pop ups when you clear/fail a level informing you of every booster you got

[versed echo]

Did someone mention me?

[crimson shore]

these are the few off the top of my head. of course this game has plenty of positives i just mean holy shit the new player experience isn't great

[candid jackal]

maybe logs too can feel like a barrier to entry

[versed echo]

@placid marten when we gonna run

[placid marten]

Its that or rng

[placid marten]

either the week when im back on sunday/monday or in august lol

[versed echo]

Monday then

We run Monday

If it’s just us two we do R4D2

[placid marten]

and r3d1

[versed echo]

Sure

[placid marten]

also its very low compared to some other games tbh (and not 100% necessary either)

And since theres still people who dont wanna run due to rng rn ye

[misty relic]

Reducing the rng element made speedrunning more appealing to me as a more casual runner

[round kite]

Hey bud

[queen kernel]

Meh i still like the coin flip every scenario

[versed echo]

Hi boss been a while need to speed more come please

[round kite]

R1a1 this weekend @versed echo

[queen kernel]

Omg

R1A1 !?

[versed echo]

Need to do R4

[queen kernel]

[versed echo]

We barely touched R4

Now R5 has released

[round kite]

Nope

[versed echo]

We need to do a lot of R4 R5 100% runs

[round kite]

R1a1

Or else

[versed echo]

🫡

Yes sir

[queen kernel]

Bread angy

[round kite]

R4 and r5 make me sleep

I’ll do r5a2 tho

Main run seems fun

And fast

[queen kernel]

B3

[round kite]

[placid marten]

last bit is fun for 2 people while 2 have a escort mission with usually 1-3 enemies

also
R4A3pe

[queen kernel]

Anyone put a record on speeding it?

Level is fun to do

[round kite]

Nothing is fun anymore

[queen kernel]

Maybe

[round kite]

Need r6 tbh

R6 speedruns gonna be the best

[queen kernel]

Why tho

Any specific objective’s fun to speed?

[placid marten]

Huh?

[round kite]

The levels are the most fun and replayable

[placid marten]

… i dont know whether bread is trying to make fun of r6

[round kite]

R1c1

[versed echo]

Bread is an R6 baby

What do you expect

[round kite]

??

[versed echo]

He loves R6

[round kite]

I just said r6 is the best

Wdym

[placid marten]

so many people meme on stuff in the exact same way

[round kite]

So Eva did you say we can speed this weekend?

[placid marten]

that aside, r6 speeds are honestly rly fun

[round kite]

Or what

[placid marten]

im at my dads

[versed echo]

[round kite]

You hate me

I swear

[placid marten]

i will have time monday and then on the next weekend late in the evening

after that 7th to 15th of july (then august)

[versed echo]

You can speed with me @round kite

[placid marten]

nah im busy rn

[round kite]

Sounds good

[versed echo]

Although I speed SCP 5K this weekend too

But I’ll have plenty of time

[round kite]

L

[placid marten]

i rly wanna see what r6 is gonna look like in ALT

[versed echo]

No L

[placid marten]

speeds in og were fun

[versed echo]

We run duos

Bread we never did R7A1 lawless duo

[round kite]

Very exciting, until you run every level with Kenny and co and forget about us

[versed echo]

Let’s do bhopping

[round kite]

[versed echo]

🗿

Just throwing it out there

[placid marten]

its the time of the day im least busy (and even they have been hatin on me for not being that available)

[round kite]

I’ll take your spot

[placid marten]

have fun playing at 6am

[round kite]

I’m fine with that on weekends

[versed echo]

3 am isn’t bad

Where’s my invite

[round kite]

It’s only weekdays I can’t get up early

[placid marten]

anyway its not like i dont wanna run

im just busy (will send a dm)

[queen kernel]

Hey @wind cliff

So you guys set R5E1 wr already or any squad got it ?

[wind cliff]

na tbh no time is really good enough

unless yo uget below 30

or 25

[queen kernel]

Well

Rn is 40:38secs

[wind cliff]

ma

[queen kernel]

I think thats a record already

[wind cliff]

probs a 38 by some people

we arent the fastest

we just do it the most

[queen kernel]

Ah

Cool

Well you probably stand out most so figures askin u

[wind cliff]

yeah the og record is sub 25

so that would be huge

[queen kernel]

Holy shit thats huge

And I remember a bug where one terminal shut off all the error alarms

Friends told me bout it

[wind cliff]

still in game

[queen kernel]

You’re kidding?

[edgy veldt]

it isn´t a bug

it is intended

Cell skip was intended

[queen kernel]

So featured then

[edgy veldt]

The map was meant to be a "puzzle"

If you do cell skip the terminal to shut of error alarm will change to spawn terminal when you start the class 5

Time for R5E1 can go below 25 for sure. It is justed fucked surviving in the middle of chargers and tank and then pushing trough zones without giving a fuck is kinda hard in this level to

[queen kernel]

Yeah

100% infection on drop is aids

[edgy veldt]

that is not even the problem. It is just so many giants and you need the ammo

[small portal]

Speedrunning R5E1 is kinda about tank zone RNG, ideally the c-scout in first area that is easy to melee or in 2nd area that is easy to shoot

[wind cliff]

yup

it is just sorta luck

[small portal]

Also in OG R5E1 the zone after first surge there's a side room where scout can spawn in, now basically you have to full clear the zone no matter what and sometimes the giant/scout position can cause problem.

[vernal glen]

it doesnt change tho

the terminal in first zone is bound to that "regular" alarm with all the giants

while the one ahead is bound to the giant error

even if you don't skip anything

you can still go to spawn after you've pulled that giant alarm

[candid jackal]

^^ yeah what wesley said

doesn't matter if it's cell skip or not, hard to say if it's intended that you can run back to spawn and turn off the alarm

someone looking through the files said they copy and pasted the sec door from tank blood door (the giant error alarm) and must've forgot to change the deactivate alarm on terminal part

[queen kernel]

Omg its wesley

[bleak crane]

Holy shit, is that the real Wesley? 😱

[queen kernel]

Holy shit

Tell me dis is riel Ray

[vernal glen]

i can be trusted with chemicals

[orchid copper]

what about explosive ones

[queen kernel]

Let wesley cook

[queen kernel]

When play Grongus Mogus

[orchid copper]

when i not busy

[queen kernel]

Hopefully soon

[bronze aspen]

No

[round kite]

[bronze aspen]

I cannot believe i've been breaded

[round kite]

Believe it baby

[crimson shore]

tank downs 3 of your teammates, pins you against the wall and starts violently making out with you
"the wiki says to call me father, but you can call me daddy."

sorry wrong chat

[indigo quarry]

go back to general

[crimson shore]

But i want the cool kids to get excited about potential discussion before realizing I'm being a moron

I feed off that disappointment

[indigo quarry]

everyone already knows you're a moron

[crimson shore]

Not true

Robo jish stop hurting my feelings

[round kite]

Kinda crazy how bad PR and burst cannon are

[candid jackal]

what do you mean? I have seen both used in speedruns, this must mean that they're good

[round kite]

R1a1 runner spotted

[candid jackal]

you have spent more time resetting r1a1 than I have spent living on this world, morsel

[round kite]

It was worth it

Only took 7 months

Literally free

[candid jackal]

You know, I was thinking about why so many in the radical left participate in "speedrunning".

[round kite]

Can you use baby words around me please

[heady sapphire]

BC in speedruns works sometimes

it do kill fast

[round kite]

I was trying to bait out a badger alt 😔

[exotic bronze]

hre

[round kite]

Yay

[hazy pecan]

Is a time of 4 min 18 seconds good for the training? I can get it really consistently but can’t get it below that, the doors screw me over

[wind cliff]

“4:08 is perfect”

If you have a recording of the run we can tell you were you lost the time

[hazy pecan]

I still need to find a recording software to use

My goal was to see if I could get 4:10 but not too sure about that now

[wind cliff]

4:10 is hardish

[hazy pecan]

Hardish not impossible

Any recommendations for a recording software?

[wind cliff]

Obs

[placid marten]

You can get to it!

Check out one of the 4:08s if you wanna check stuff you might be losing time on

4:10 is start of speed basically

[hazy pecan]

Main goal is I just want to be next to the other canadian

Gotta stick together

[wind cliff]

Levi ?

Lol

[placid marten]

Levi perfect

[hazy pecan]

Yep

[placid marten]

@hazy pecan but ye, try obs

We believe in ya!

[wind cliff]

Did I get a 4:10 or a4:11

I forget

[indigo quarry]

you got a 4:07

great job

[wind cliff]

Thank you

[hazy pecan]

I mean I got my time down from 4:27 to 4:18 so I fixed something , but thanks I’ll give it a try when I have time after work

[placid marten]

If ya didnt upload then its a infinity time

:^ )

[wind cliff]

Sure

Because tree Forrest fell

[candid jackal]

i have my mystery time from like 8 months ago or whatever

[hazy pecan]

You can post multiple times right, or is it one chance and that’s it?

[candid jackal]

you can post multiple times

if you get a better time it replaces the old one

[hazy pecan]

Gotcha, thank you

[placid marten]

dont delete posted times if you got a better one(unless you want them removed, but easier to just message us then anyhow)

Just submit the better time aswell

[hazy pecan]

Sounds good

[candid jackal]

yeah if you're sitting on a bunch of times just upload the best one

if you improve a time later down the line, submit that one and it should get replaced/whatever

[hazy pecan]

Yep, don’t have and recordings just pictures of the end time, since I was just kinda seeing what I could do

Thank you guys for the help and recommendation for recording

[hazy pecan]

how can i share a attempt so you guys can judge me?

[wind cliff]

You can just drop it in media or on the gtfo speedruning discord

[hazy pecan]

its 2.5gbs...

[coral pelican]

upload it to youtube

[hazy pecan]

its good quality though

[hazy pecan]

ill do that then, ty

[stark pasture]

Are solo runs fun or should i manipulate my friend into speedrunning

[placid marten]

depends. Solo runs can be fun for a few levels, but devolve into kiting enemies quite often

Forcing your friends into speedrunnng also has the advantage of them having to do it aswell

[round kite]

100% force your friends

[stark pasture]

We are trying to duo thru alt r3 but we suck so we just got to c1 after like a week

[eternal dust]

i can assist 🥹

[placid marten]

dw theres always room to grow

speedrunning is pretty fun tho, i started out duoing with a friend aswell in speedruns

[vernal glen]

GTFO SPEEDRUNNING

AVERAGE 2h a week

PRO

[placid marten]

@vernal glen ?

[vernal glen]

sorry the voices won

[round kite]

Only for A-B tier

[placid marten]

ah yes, dont talk

[vernal glen]

thats my thing

[placid marten]

thats a quip i can get behind

LOL

[round kite]

You’re my thing 😏

[placid marten]

bread wonders why i think he cant behave at times

[vernal glen]

i can be trusted with your thing

but fr eva u joined our team

and we average 2h a week

insane

i played more samdown than speedrun

my charger kill count is record breaking

[placid marten]

unless you count the weeks we didnt play that legit cant be true lol

[vernal glen]

its so true

[placid marten]

considering that we had weeks with 3-5 session each at least 3+ hours

[vernal glen]

xd

[placid marten]

...

welp sry that i got rl (and so do kenny/kolohe/you :^) )

[vernal glen]

one day

i have rl

XD

bleb

[placid marten]

R2A1, R2B1, B2, B4, D1
R3A1, A2, B2, C1
R4A1, A2, A3, B2, D2
R5A1, A2, B1, B2

doesnt seem like that is only 2h per week of levels

[vernal glen]

its been a lot of weeks

and a lot of those truely were 2h

[placid marten]

it took us over a month to get that r3b2 time and not due to lack of playing

[vernal glen]

some levels i mapped more than we played

R3 is months ago already

[placid marten]

[vernal glen]

2014 is just 5 months away

[placid marten]

2014 💀

anyhow, cant do much when my uni plans block 3 days of the week

[vernal glen]

u kinda troll a little bit tho

[placid marten]

that sequence was me mistaking no message as no playing

and then you guys confusing my silence for me having time

[vernal glen]

and

you saying you are free for the entire week

but then we played 1 day

2h

classic

[placid marten]

oh you mean the last week we played?
the only other time i remember smth like that i suddenly had stuff come up :I

[vernal glen]

how am i supposed to beat robert like this

[placid marten]

i could lend you my hammer?

[vernal glen]

INGAME

?!

[placid marten]

:^ )

[vernal glen]

cant wait for you to get back

so then i can leave for my vacation

[placid marten]

you going on vacation :o ?

[wind cliff]

just take your p c

[vernal glen]

just take your pills

[vernal glen]

im going to france

its not even a joke

oh jeepers

[placid marten]

poor you

[vernal glen]

[wind cliff]

Gtfo pole what is worse the complex or ✨France ✨

[stark pasture]

Below france is a real complex

[candid jackal]

do not go into the tileset below paris

[versed echo]

More like the geomorph

🤓

[candid jackal]

you will go missing in the tileset below paris

it is written in the bones

[bronze aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-catacombs-lantern-gif-24930914

Just imagine what this could possible be

and laugh

[queen kernel]

Sus

[round kite]

@placid marten r1 full rundown when

[queen kernel]

You mean to say counting all R1 in a single session?

Zamn

[round kite]

b1–>c2–>d1–>b2–>c1–>a1?

Cause ending on r1a1 is cute

[versed echo]

All collection levels first seems just about right

[round kite]

Well b1 has greatest time loss if IDs are bad

And it’s really fun to run

Then c2 cause fuck c2

Then everything else is nice and chill as long as you stop for the ammo in d1

I still need to learn c2 tho

[versed echo]

Me too

[queen kernel]

Hey void

[placid marten]

When im back (and no longer deadly busy)

[fresh seal]

what's the trick to cheesing terminals?

[versed echo]

Uplinks or commands?

[fresh seal]

uplinks, something about clearing the screen?

[versed echo]

https://youtu.be/UssrcZV1V4E

[fresh seal]

oh fantastic, thanks mate

[median quarry]

Is there somewhere I can get the list of what’s in rooms

Refill packs, objectives and all that

[ripe scaffold]

The RandomKenny spreadsheets

Or a terminal

[median quarry]

tyty

[delicate flare]

yeah if u use the command LIST u can like see whats inside certain zones and even like filter it

[wind cliff]

Just play the game and memorize it

You would be surprised how quickly you can

[main wigeon]

Tbh I'm ok with exploiting glitches but isn't using log files to see the correct codes kind of straight up cheating and not a glitch?

[main wigeon]

Human pattern recognition go brrr

[vernal glen]

the alternative is spamming all existing codes at once with a macro

and if you're also against that then the alternative becomes guessing the codes and if u didnt guess correctly you reset

just being ok with the exploit/glitch will make doing uplinks optimally really shitty

[candid jackal]

or you do uplinks normally and hope the code shows up where you're looking at you're putting it in at lightspeed

but then that's bad for trying to optimise every second and break records

[vernal glen]

also log log log log log

it can all be done without logs but no one cares enough to set that up

would it be cheating if you created a database that has data for all seeds readily available to you

[wind cliff]

Only if you use a third party thing to store it that isn’t discord

Can also be a windows device like windows chess if you can incode all gtfo seeds into chess position

[vernal glen]

so u guys cheated cuz u collected some of it

back when the bug with initial seed was still there

[wind cliff]

Yup 100% and it was on google docs

3rd party applications not allowed

[glass cradle]

real cheaters use mods to win like low spec gaming

[wind cliff]

We aren’t called the gtfo cheaters for nothing

[vernal glen]

[median quarry]

how do you do terminal animation skipping

[round kite]

https://youtu.be/UssrcZV1V4E

[median quarry]

already watched it

need a dumbed down version 😭

[round kite]

look at other vids on his channel

i think he has another

[wind cliff]

You need to type command one short(quick command) then type the command that you want to run. Then cls

[median quarry]

does it not work with pinging being the second command?

like whatcommands can i use it with

or is that in the video

[wind cliff]

I don’t think so

Just terminal storage ping commands tho if you don’t care about the room info

[median quarry]

im just trying to put together a little info file for me and my buddies to use when we need

ill just test it with different commands while i play

[wind cliff]

There is like no reason to use this tech unless you plan on saving one to two seconds

Q2 ing and terminal storage are just much better techs

[median quarry]

well use it or not im still trying to get the info for what im doing

prob wont use it since i play for fun not speed running

[main wigeon]

No because proper speed running bans macros

1 in 1 out rule

I would argue your ability to communicate the right codes and your typing speed is integral to the specific levels that have terminal uplinks

I'm absolutely ok with using bugs like cls skips

[vernal glen]

ok

read the next message then

??

[main wigeon]

But macros and log files are no nos

[vernal glen]

the optimal strat becomes guessing

instead of what you want it to be

[main wigeon]

How tf is that optimal

You're going to be wrong 99% of the time lol

[vernal glen]

how tf is it not optimal

do you know what optimal means

[main wigeon]

Optimal doesn't include unnatainable methods bro lol

[vernal glen]

if the level is optimized enough, i have to guess correctly once and you can never beat my run again without doing the same thing

[main wigeon]

If there are 5 codes, and 50 possible words

That's 1/50^5

If you get that lucky

Then you deserve the top spot lol

If you wanna sit there and grind that out go for it

[vernal glen]

i dont think you understand

you could simply guess the very last code and combine it with the previous one

skipping a full round

very doable chance

very nice time improvement

additionally

you can just lie and say that you guessed it

[vernal glen]

i don't even think theres any penalty for attempting this

because you skip it all

[placid marten]

if you dont uplink skip at all then typing speed is not a time issue unless you are a 90 year old with broken hands, it only becomes a noticeable thing with uplink skip

Logs reduce unneeded rng. Also this is for the lawless (aka glitch category)

[olive prairie]

Hey me and a buddy were thinking Abt setting some duo runs but we had a glitch earlier today running r7c1
My in-game timer at the end showed over an hour (I'm the host)
His showed Abt 57 minutes
And our third buddy showed Abt .10 seconds faster then the second guy

Doest hosts time or the video recorders time get counted here? Or would that run just be invalid?

[versed echo]

Host time is the only thing that matters, and we can determine total time length via logs

[olive prairie]

Alr thanks

[bronze aspen]

GTFO Run Series Board: (Has all current GTFO Speedrunning Boards)
https://www.speedrun.com/series/GTFO_Series

Base game board: (base-game; Levels; Rundowns; speedruns)
https://www.speedrun.com/GTFO

Category Extensions: (base-game; specific/non-level; "misc"; speedruns)
https://www.speedrun.com/GTFO_Category_Extensions

[chrome plank]

Any tips for r2d1 Guns to use zones to skip...

[round kite]

For speedrun?

[chrome plank]

Y

Yes

[round kite]

My bad I though your Y meant “Why”

There’s a video of a run already on speedrun.com if you want to take a look at that

You can look at their weapons then go from there to see what works for your team

But if you want specifics you will have to wait for @placid marten because he did that run.

[placid marten]

Im a bit unsure what you mean

For a speedrun? Or for a normal run?

For the latter, just take a good mix. For speedruns iirc we took 1 sniper and wave clear guns like combat shotty but i dont exactly remember

[olive prairie]

oh im so gonna hold all of the death% runs

its my destiny now

[round kite]

I will not sleep unless I have the immortal. So I’ll see ya out there

[versed echo]

Best thumbnail

[round kite]

Ty Ty

[teal fulcrum]

We should definetly start drama now

[round kite]

Facts fr fr no cap

[wind cliff]

Duck u

[queen kernel]

fr fr

server needs some heat

[placid marten]

@timid sinew let me move this here to avoid the 5 min delay between messages LOL

Dw about not being good enough. I doubt youd immediatly run r4c3 speedruns or something similar

A good time honestly is what you consider good when starting out.
But if you want a more precise answer, which is hard to give due to bots making speedruns weird, then id say its quick but with lots of improvement

[timid sinew]

yea thats fair, iirc correctly you and you're group use some kinda tool to know where things like keys are and such.

idk if i got a good key spawn but it might be fun to do speedrunning with bots someday

[placid marten]

the tool thats used is mostly to simplify the process.
Most of the time we just read a file from the game manually (theres multiple guides on this even) which is very simple

Just beware that bots count as players for speedrun sake

[timid sinew]

huh, i'll have to have a look into the how to read the files

would of been 100x more usefull when i needed my r7d2 completion

[placid marten]

weell
It doesnt actually help for r7d2 :p

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcwMyua8zopADS1H3Aq63zpaEjQHaV5rd

this is the speedrun guides playlist

theres 2 for logs

one of them being my uber scuffed version

[timid sinew]

well half of the things I do is scuffed so im sure I can find it helpful

[placid marten]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/16dvBQP2sDZ5qLsffyd7DmZ3nQbN4E4lfYarrSwsASEI/htmlview

This spreadsheet also explains how and what to find (and a bunch of maps, we need to update it tho with the r4/r5 maps)

[timid sinew]

i'll have a look into it now

[placid marten]

Also god i rly need to update r3 even…

pain

[timid sinew]

rip

gl with that

[quartz kernel]

So I'm curious

would ya'll allow inf stamina in a speedrun?

Met a guy trying to justify it for speedruns/bunnyhops (or blackhopping as he stated)

[placid marten]

huh

what was the connection between no stam and blackhops

[quartz kernel]

way to move fast whilst carrying obj items supposedly

more the stamina part

[placid marten]

well yea, blackhops ignore slowdown. But they still raise stamina (so once a blackhop ends you are max stam) and they heavily decrease how quick you can turn

[quartz kernel]

he was trying to justify that it isn't cheating in normal play

[placid marten]

personally, i love the idea of comparing it to some current runs

Say r5a1 or r4a1, both of these have super long runs that lose you at least 15+ seconds with stam compared to no stam

its definetly cheating

its nothing super major tho unless he kites all the time

for speedruns? Heavy advantage obviously

[quartz kernel]

pretty much another guy who tries to justify using inf stamina and shit

he kept denying all my attempts to say it was an advantage

[coral pelican]

blackhops are only allowed in lawless right

so if they aren't cheating then neither is doorbug

[quartz kernel]

I'm not too familar with the speedrun scene myself but I guess

[placid marten]

yus

[placid marten]

hm?

i mean most speedrun glitches in lawless count as cheating for normal gameplay

thats… how any% runs usually go

[coral pelican]

that's kinda my point

[median quarry]

Is using files for terminals cheating for a speed run?

[coral pelican]

my understanding was they were justifying blackhopping as not cheating in normal gameplay since it's allowed in some speedruns

[median quarry]

I was told not but it seems like it should be

[placid marten]

files for terminals? You mean for uplinks?

[median quarry]

Yes

[quartz kernel]

with inf stamina

[placid marten]

its banned from restricted (standard play) but allowed for lawless (glitch)

[median quarry]

Getting the correct codes before the game give them seems cheaty

[placid marten]

thats why its in lawless

[median quarry]

👌

[placid marten]

:p

we still use it to know key spawns and such ahead of time

but those would just be hunted for even without knowledge making everyones life dreadful

[quartz kernel]

I am curious tho eva

the codes

you check the files

[coral pelican]

i don't really understand that? is that like a mod you mean?

[quartz kernel]

pretty uch

my fkn M key

is busted

but yes

[placid marten]

yea

[quartz kernel]

so they always have max stamina speed

and don't lose stamina whilst doing blackhops

[placid marten]

i mean if you never lose stam then you obviously dont lose any in blackhops

[glass cradle]

blackhops and infinite stam, why even bother

[quartz kernel]

I've just never attempted it myself and did peak my interest a little

[glass cradle]

just get the sprint while carrying mod

lmfao

[placid marten]

Watch voids video on it if you are interested

his guides are great

[quartz kernel]

👍

[placid marten]

True
But maybe they wanna „hide“ it

[quartz kernel]

watches the video and sees a DM from you in it lol

well not a DM

but funny

nvm it was one of your videos listed in one of his playlists

[placid marten]

yea the scuffed log guide

[round kite]

All speedrunning is cheating. If the level wasn’t done in over 1 hour and getting every resource known to man you’re not really playing gtfo.

[median quarry]

*in over 7 hours

[vernal glen]

sam-db watching carefully when i jump with a carry item in the charger rundown

but fr i think for normal gameplay things like that are ok when the only benefit is time

and theres no timer with negative benefits going on

[queen kernel]

Omg its wesley

REAL

[vernal glen]

REAL

should i post a seeded run

[queen kernel]

Tried randomizing R4E1

It was not fun

At all

[vernal glen]

R4E1 IS DESIGN AROUND THE META

[queen kernel]

Imagine the door not having a interface to even open it up

[queen kernel]

Btw

4s death speedrun set by D4RK4EVA

Get him wesley

[vernal glen]

im in france

[queen kernel]

Beat him

[vernal glen]

when i get back

maybe

[queen kernel]

Anything hot in France?

[vernal glen]

yeh

me

[queen kernel]

Damn

Fr fr

[placid marten]

its already beaten

theres new better strat

[queen kernel]

Which is?

Perfect latency teammate blowing the mine for u?

[placid marten]

no

placing mine weirdly on other lvl so enemy spawn blowsi t

[queen kernel]

Wait

How does it affects that in particular?

[placid marten]

you dont need to wait for mine place delay

[queen kernel]

I mean you literally are placing mines right as soon as u touch ur toes and blow it up

Ohhhh

So you dont get the delay after putting down a mine

[placid marten]

elldas time is currently 1 sec quicker

[queen kernel]

Thats leaves us with?

[placid marten]

with my old time being very very fast for its strat

2.5sec

[queen kernel]

Siuu

[wind cliff]

Fuck you auto mod

[placid marten]

i got a strat in mind for ~2 sec

but ill have to do that tmrw after work

[queen kernel]

Btw @wind cliff the randomize level really made the fog really problematic

You would literally get the best or worst layout for fog ever

[vernal glen]

just get the bug where you dont ride the elevator and just fall down

but do it in R5E1 or else you'll survive

[queen kernel]

How

[vernal glen]

mfers rly put insane fall damage scaling in their game but then added fall damage cap

[queen kernel]

R6C1

[vernal glen]

idk i had it like 3 times in 6k hours

good odds

[queen kernel]

Falling from the last T scan into the bottom

You literally take no dmg

Or maybe i had bugs

[vernal glen]

lagswitch

[queen kernel]

Most fall dmg i took was 65

Other than that cap

It literally did no dmg

Even when im host

[placid marten]

honestly if we make death% glitchless and with glitches then the most probable strat is pre placing the mine in the last run i think?

[queen kernel]

Yes

Because Youre putting it fast only

[coral pelican]

how does placing a mine before drop work?
you place it in the last run? how does that then stay?

[queen kernel]

Other strats uses glitches?

[placid marten]

hm?

[placid marten]

thats how kenny n co explained it to me idk

[placid marten]

current strats dont have glitches

[queen kernel]

So that makes you fastest

Until one day @vernal glen yoinks the throne

[vernal glen]

because of latency, the placement can go through after the level got reset

[queen kernel]

With their 4090 RTX

[placid marten]

and if a mine is preplaced then the only delay is equipping your gun

basically an insta explosion

[vernal glen]

i still have 3090 cuz theres like no point in upgrading

void has 4090

[round kite]

https://youtu.be/OwGm-zYv-oM

[bronze aspen]

Soon comes the mythical 600% run

[wind cliff]

Full rando run all settings

No resource bonus

[bronze aspen]

more like EVERY level in EVERY rundown doing 100% of EVERYthing

[delicate flare]

every level every rundown every door open

[versed echo]

It’ll definitely be the longest GTFO run(s) there are

[coral pelican]

rundown 8 has 6 ways to finish the last level and you need to do everything in every rundown before and every run has the last level doing a different ending on every run

[versed echo]

800% run moment

[quartz kernel]

You either team Klas Henricksson or John Schaeffer

I can imagine Schaeffer path being chaos

[robust violet]

You either team crazy Schaeffer or team sane Schaeffer

[round kite]

take this to lore channel

i cant stand it

[lucid lichen]

Yo big noob question but how common is it to use logs in runs? Like are most runners using logs or is it like a 50/50 split......?

[wind cliff]

95 5

[placid marten]

99/1

the only time you dont use it is if theres no usage for it in a level or pachi

[lucid lichen]

Is it just bc you get the most optimal route and rng doesn't waste time?

[wind cliff]

it is becasue you would just check 3 or 4 boxes

not get key

then reset if you are doing ILs

[lucid lichen]

ILs?

[wind cliff]

individual levels

[lucid lichen]

ah

[placid marten]

it makes you only run viable runs bascially
That way you dont have to do a run where the rng makes you have to wait/run extra 1 minute

since some levels have heavy rng for speed

but even for levels with good rng its nice for consistency

and actually running viable runs more often

[lucid lichen]

So that's what all that R1A1 resetting is for I've seen....

[placid marten]

r1a1 is just omega optimized

the chance to get a run(rng) that beats the current WR is around 1/10.000

[wind cliff]

i love r1a1

[round kite]

i love r7e1

[wind cliff]

we should do an 8 hour session on it

[versed echo]

GTFO Reset Simulator 8 Hour ASMR

[lucid lichen]

R1A1 = Fastest lobby restarter

[candid jackal]

Iirc toxic clique don't use logs but they don't run many levels and don't submit to leaderboards/are banned or whatever I don't know the lore

[wind cliff]

they got banned for going to fast very sad

[round kite]

^

[candid jackal]

Advanced comms diff

[lucid lichen]

So if I started doing no log runs, is it like not taken as seriously cause not as quick or..?

[candid jackal]

r2e1 mystery time still stands

[placid marten]

oh no, any time goes dw about that

[wind cliff]

no it is great as fuck man

[placid marten]

the thing with no log runs is that you still have to submit the log file so we can verify you didnt use them

[round kite]

very serious, life threatening

[candid jackal]

Nobody cares if you use logs or not if you're submitting to leaderboards really

[placid marten]

the disadvantage to not using them is just having more runs that dont work out once you get a decent time for yourself

[candid jackal]

Don't worry about your reputation or whatever over using logs, like sure I'm a nutcase but that has nothing to do with running logless

[wind cliff]

na loggless runs are way better

[lucid lichen]

This is another ultra noob question but does lawless = with glitches?

[wind cliff]

reseting until you get a viable run is so lame

[wind cliff]

big glitfches

[candid jackal]

Shout out to doing 3 hours straight of r1a1 solo and getting E hsu on every run that made it past the alarm

[placid marten]

yeah so much better to run for 3-10 minutes and then realize the run is dead and reset :^)

[placid marten]

yep

[wind cliff]

i just dont like reseting

if i sit not playing the game in my off time

it is so lame

what you just said on stream

IS correct @placid marten

[vernal glen]

it just rly depends on the level

in some levels the usual reset when trying to run optimized rng is before anything interesting happens

and then its the exact same shit

[coral pelican]

normalize seeded runs

[wind cliff]

honsetly

[vernal glen]

unfortunately it will again still be the same then

because you'll reset on the slightest error instead

[wind cliff]

based tho

at least you play the game

[vernal glen]

you play the fastest and therefor often the easiest version of every level in the game

[placid marten]

enemies spawn in first room and you gain stamina? RESET

[coral pelican]

aren't you just resetting for that anyway

[vernal glen]

seeded means you can go for a 1/2bil spawnset

[placid marten]

like only front spawn with ressources r2e1 cells

only insta split alarms

[wind cliff]

there is a level of partical rng you reset for

[placid marten]

its just so complicated to do

for all levels

gotta take best 1/million rng on all levels in the game

[candid jackal]

yeah thing with logs is they're great for chasing record runs

but for time spent actually playing the game, kinda bad

at least even if you get a bad spawn kill your run like E hsu in r1a1 you still get to play the level up to that point and improve

[placid marten]

no
you can still run the bad seeds lol

you will just know that its bad and make it a quicker run still

even with bad spawns log runs are just a more reliable speed experience

[coral pelican]

I mean, you don't have to
Would it be necessary to get the absolute fastest thing in every level, sure, but that doesn't mean it needs to be done
If no one does it people can still try to find a favorable seed themselves with logs or cheats or something, and just do runs with that

I'd just like seeded runs to be normalized so that people who want to do runs with ideal luck without needing to reset for 8 hours, have that option

Also, idk if this is possible but I think if mushroom seed could somehow be able to seed key item locations but not all the other stuff, that'd be kinda neat, but maybe I'm in a minority on that
Really the idea with that would just be eliminate resetting for key item spawns while keeping the rest dynamic ig

[placid marten]

scan rng would still be a major thing