gtfo-speed-running

[fading snow]

rippppppppppppppppppp

[placid marten]

but yeah

The one level archetype where logs change how you play are gather missions.
And guess what, none of the people arguing against logs would ever touch one of those with a 10 feet pole

[fading snow]

why do people dislike the gather missions so much?

[ionic halo]

(it's not fun)

[placid marten]

Incredible incredible rng
You basically just check every locker and box to hope that its a spawn. Making the level a lottery

btw
I say we make everyone who „hates“ logs, run r1a1 and make them get a sub 3:30 time

3:30 isnt even that good (1 min away from the current WR) and doesnt even need god rng at all

yet i can assure you

theyll need hours

if they dont use logs

days if they actually wanna get sub 3

and since we know sub 2:30 is possible…

yeah thats gonna be a long time

[fading snow]

quick question, no run can have bots at all, right?

[placid marten]

iirc bots count as players

you just arent allowed to lock their spot.
And you are a lot slower with them obviously

[vernal glen]

theres potential

cuz if they can't path to you they will phase right through everything in a straight line

so with the right setup they can enter zones you don't have access to yet

and there could be cases where that would benefit you

[night pebble]

I was running R7D2 and joking that the snatcher is one way to quickly make it to extraction point

[wind cliff]

Yeah if there was a team scan in memory stick in maybe

But I think you don’t really get snatchers until the end and the solo player doesn’t want them

[night pebble]

Yeah, you can’t scan bc you keep getting snatched, but skill issue ig 🥲

[placid marten]

i think the snatcher just doesnt spawn due to spawn cap?

[wind cliff]

Yeah

[median quarry]

Hi jish

[wind cliff]

Hello good to talk before I restart speedrunning lore again

We gonna have a good talk today definitely gonna get stuff done

[covert cypress]

jish cant we have a day off

[wind cliff]

You know I thought that too

But this is my work and school day so

I can start drama turn off my phone and let it go

👑

[covert cypress]

how are u gonna start drama

[wind cliff]

Speedrunning old rundowns should be allowed. Not posting records because of some “developers intentions” bullshit is annoying

But that is a pretty normal take idk

[median quarry]

Real and true bestie (I know nothing about speedrunning)

I just lurk here to laugh at losers

[wind cliff]

Tbh none of this would have started if it wasn’t for voxy writing a script to check 40 spawns cause I was to lazy to alt tab.

[placid marten]

bs

[wind cliff]

100%

[placid marten]

nah

and you know it

[wind cliff]

I did it team

[night pebble]

Ok guess you can turn off the phone now.

[night pebble]

Oh that’s interesting. Does that include if you were to awake the scout chargers room would the invis sleepers not come? Or does the spawn cap get increased

[placid marten]

i dont know this works exactly, someone else may answer this in a more detailed manner
but generally. If you wake up all the scouts it will spawn as many scout waves as the spawn caps allows and then queues the others.

If you then start the error it will only spawn stuff if the waves are smaller than the space left to spawn cap. (dont know how this is exactly on r7d2). Sleeping enemies and the blood door will obviously still add to the number of alive enemies, making it even less possible spawns (possibly even capping it completely until stuff dies)

(specific things have their own spawn cap).
But yeah some stuff i said might be wrong, im not exactly to well versed in the spawn caps of most alarms/spawns and how they actually interact

[crimson shore]

where is the category for eval 2

[placid marten]

@crimson shore hm

[crimson shore]

evaluation 2

when

[crimson shore]

i want my evaluation 2

every good level has a sequel

give me my evaluation 2

[placid marten]

the true name has been lost

[crimson shore]

everyone excited for rundown 8

and i'm just waiting for a sequel

[placid marten]

it will come with R8

trust

[crimson shore]

i want to be told that a group of 3 exceeds my capabilities

AGAIN

i want to be forced to used the KOVAC PEACEKEEPER™️

AGAIN

[placid marten]

no, eval 2 will be spear

[crimson shore]

oh shit

true

[fading snow]

( i tried making a macro for bhopping and it legit just IMMEDIATELY takes my pulse from 60 to 130 )

also since my pulse raises it ruins the timing of the macro so i just walk and then hop like 2s later

[crimson shore]

take your inhaler before bhopping

characters have asthma

[wind cliff]

only way

[placid marten]

bhopping will still raise your stamina. The game just doesnt register you touching the ground long enough to slow you down. At least if it works. Because then your hops will stay at the same speed from start to finish

[wind cliff]

Also we kinda need to see your macro inputs to see if your doing it right

[crimson shore]

Max pulse 100% infection sprinting should be the default sound for any rise in pulse tbh

so i'm reminded about how unfit i am irl

and how i'd die instantly

[fading snow]

me: today i will build a bhop macro

attempt 1: train my finger to hold the space bar for a long jump (until height of jump), make macro and hold space for that long, add arbitrary delay of 50ms between long jumps (time for max height to ground). failure.

attempt 2: spam space every 1ms. i still wake sleepers (am host ofc). my pulse jumps by 70 in a single update of the meter.

also is there anything that allows you to monitor in-game movement speed like in cs?

[versed echo]

1ms jumps continuously doesn't work

It doesn't achieve the speeds it needs to achieve

[wind cliff]

So this won’t work because of how inputs are made

The game might have you land a frame early

Dropping the hop

[wind cliff]

Increase the hop rate to like 100 in a ms might be better still can drop it tho

[coral pelican]

1ms is gonna mean it could hop at 1000fps bro what you mean you need to be pressing space 100,000 times in one second lmao

[fading snow]

(i can't go faster than one hop per ms)

i will test in a pug since you guys said detection is different on client-side

it's so bad

my pulse is stuck at 188 but i don't take dmg and am SO SLOW

[placid marten]

you never take dmg from max pulse btw

[fading snow]

i thought you took dmg when you ran for so long on high pulse that the hp bar went yellow

[placid marten]

nope ^^

fun myth

[fading snow]

dang i never noticed. i coulda swore i would take damage incrementally.

[wind cliff]

nope it is just an awful way of showing you are slowing down.

[gleaming oar]

probably if you had high infection

[versed echo]

I took 1 dmg at 180 stamina in R6B1

[fading snow]

yeah no. i activate some sleepers and don't activate others. so the timing is still off but occasionally it works as intended (by random chance).

[crimson shore]

I for a good while thought max pulse gave you like, damage boost or something because your health bar turned yellow like with the syringe

How cool would that be though?

[placid marten]

tbf you so rarely go yellow

that it might aswell just be added

[crimson shore]

that's what you think

but I still jump out of habit sometimes and it decimates my stamina

[fading snow]

speak for yourself

wait are we not supposed to jump??

when i run i hold sprint, slide then cancel every like 1-2s, constantly charge melee, cancel melee + shove, and [sprint] jump to evade.

[placid marten]

you shouldnt constantly charge. even if it doesnt use stamina until you hit, you might miss the timing for when you actually need to break a door

tho yeah, do no shove when sprinting unless you really need to
Also jumping mostly isnt necesarry to avoid hits. Its good to parcour, but dont jump around on open areas

[upbeat tusk]

you either kill the thing in your path or you go around

[crimson shore]

lads i have a question

are we going to run out of cosmetics to get if each alt rundown level gives 1 random one?

i'm thinking the rate of levels coming out is outpacing the amount of cosmetics to go around, unless the list i have here is incomplete

[ripe scaffold]

more are released with every rundown

[fading snow]

I figure they release 3 new cosmetics per rundown: the usual (palette, mask, backpack) or a full set (mask, torso, pants). but at that pace, given you started in... basically R7, with about 8 cosmetics total, you would run out of new things to get by... R5 or R6 (assuming they have the same amount of missions). who knows though, they might add more things just to counter-act that.

[median quarry]

[tired patio]

🙃 ** **

[subtle quartz]

😳

[placid marten]

Yeah for sure

Was a bit badly explained on my side.
Obviously miss timing for door hits with pre charging while running can happen, but the bigger issue would be actualy hitting enemies.
Which, as you said. Should only be done if they could be a real threat or slowdown

[placid marten]

only really affects you when you swing with a charged hit

[hazy pecan]

Doesn’t it make you take more damage ?

If it’s yellow

[candid jackal]

...

unless I am a massive bumbling idiot, why would you take more damage?

[hazy pecan]

I thought I heard that from someone

[little bloom]

trust no one

[candid jackal]

people think all sorts of silly things

"if you hold your hacking tool out you gain less pulse/stamina"

[hazy pecan]

I know that one’s not true

I thought if your heart rate was yellow you took extra damage from sleepers and such

Guess I was lied to

[wind cliff]

It is fair to think this the game doesn’t clearly explain that you are just going slower

[round kite]

I think reload cancel should be lawless

[native crest]

Team, why did no one tell me that first-person inertia amount literally just makes your gun's flashlight better

This seems like essential speedrunning tech, 2 seconds in the settings and just become better player

[little bloom]

you poor soul
you've been playing with a wobbly flashlight all this time?

[native crest]

yes

I will miss my wobbly melee though

When I first learnt sliding I was like, this is amazing! Now my flashlight points forward every now and again!

[fading snow]

no. just... no.

[crimson shore]

Team, we found mommy. We found grandmommy. Where is the daddy sleeper who belts us for waking him up?

[coral pelican]

https://i.imgur.com/2G726sk.png

[crimson shore]

"He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." -Yondu, Guardians of The Galaxy Vol.2

That's father, where's daddy?

Go on, I'll wait.

[eternal dust]

So after we lost game suggestions the speedrun chat has become a new spam channel , good to know the only channel i check from time to time has become a waste of my time.

[delicate flare]

more like a drama channel

theres been drama

but we dont talk about that

rn

:]

[round kite]

I think breathing during a run should be lawless

[placid marten]

i mean it introduces 3rd party particles into the run? Definetly agree

[languid obsidian]

how to not die when speed run question mark

[little bloom]

mine the door

[gritty atlas]

speedrun.com.. i see new kewl gtfo wallpaper..

[versed echo]

Yep, thought I’d add some QoL changes

[gritty atlas]

[green fox]

how come we are so much better than people literally cheating?

it makes me feel so big

[delicate flare]

i feel powerful

[candid jackal]

That would be the big mac you ate for supper

But yea being good at the game is separate from external tools you use

[round kite]

you're so big peter

[wind cliff]

i wish someone would call me big. 😭

[crimson shore]

do you guys want 2 play l4d2 versus

[glass cradle]

Imagine playing with scatter

Ew

[round kite]

D:

[gritty atlas]

[south citrus]

pls have more speedrunning lore next time i check in

[placid marten]

good lore

[versed echo]

https://youtu.be/tdhuNmhyXK4

[sour fjord]

wow 4k video

most of the gtfo videos on yt are 1080 or 2k

[fading snow]

how tf is anyone playing above 1080p everything low and still getting 100+ fps?

[versed echo]

I'm playing 1440p at max settings 🤡

Ultimately depends on your card and how it performs

[fading snow]

i have a 2060 and can't get above 90 frames if i put ANYTHING above low settings

[versed echo]

2060 is old

[fading snow]

https://tenor.com/rNOA.gif

[versed echo]

90 FPS is still better than 2

90 is playable

[fading snow]

it's very playable but your frames seem insane (the only issue i have is seeing shadows)

[versed echo]

I run 1500 FPS in main menu

You shouldn't be comparing you to me

I'm 2 generations ahead of you in terms of tech

Compare to cards relative to yours

[fading snow]

i dont' really compare too much tbh, it is what it is. my dream in this game is play w/ actual high settings at ~200 frames with a squad on LAN (for charger doubles no foam).

imagine no latency oh bliss

[rough basalt]

5700XT maxed out. 80-90fps

[gritty atlas]

i hv rtx3060 and max around 160 frames

dont know how to get higher then that

[hazy pecan]

I got the same as you and get 900 in menus and 300 ish in game if I un cap it

[gritty atlas]

how to uncap my dude

[hazy pecan]

Settings I think in video somewhere

I have mine capped at 100 cause there is no need for more than that

[gritty atlas]

[hazy pecan]

R7d1 can get a little low but it’s not terrible playing at 50 or 60 fps

[weary oriole]

It’s just a large map with a lot of things going on

[eternal dust]

Me and my 16 FPS whould like to say something 👁️

[round kite]

[languid narwhal]

Hi bread can you make a video on how to do the bounce hop because I don't know how to do it and you obviously came up with the idea first stealing my thunder just taking my thunder away from me just going to do that to me like I wouldn't notice but I did and the consequences will be great

[round kite]

well actually its called the beephop and just get good L + ratio

[languid narwhal]

We did r3alt a1 together and this is the treatment I get 😢

[round kite]

im sry mr beep ily

[indigo quarry]

can’t believe you seeded your alt:r3a1 smh

[languid narwhal]

can I post my raid world war 2 times in this channel

i've got world record

[crimson shore]

i think

r7d1 was a plot

by big tech

cause the weaker pcs to burst into hellfire

so we have to rebuy

whenever i try to play r7d1 i almost cause a forest fire

[round kite]

DDay speedrun WR

[golden yew]

Raid:WW2

[fading snow]

idk if this is something that can be manipulated or is already known but I just did R7D1 again and every verification was at the same terminal, east side of main room. I have no clue how to replicate it besides failing the first two verifications.

---

also is there a penalty/restriction on checkpoints for R7 runs?

[placid marten]

If you can replicate it by failing twice thats interesting

Question would be whether you replicated it in the same run (checkpoint) or with actual new runs
Then again, failing twice would sadly lose time

checkpoints arent allowed afaik

they are extremely buggy in nature (not just for the timer)

and usually would increase the time to clear either way

[fading snow]

we didn't use the checkpoints (although we were forced to activate them) it was just that within the same run it was all at the same terminal. I can't determine if it can be replicated because I haven't attempted a rerun yet.

[placid marten]

Oh yeah thats just rng

its why r7d1 is the most bs rng wise technically (at the end)

[fading snow]

going back to R7D1, is using full room charger alarm to cancel error alarm a "minor bug?" or is that enough to make the run lawless?

[placid marten]

its not in the rules yet (as we are trying to reorganize some things before we update the rules) but deactivating alarms is going to be allowed for every category

[eternal dust]

What

[placid marten]

hm

[upbeat tusk]

deactivate alarms command do do exact thing it does

the set up for it took more time to do

deactivate ALARM"S"

[fading snow]

the setup for what tho?

[upbeat tusk]

^i was talking about this

[versed echo]

No, it won’t be because you failed the first two

It’s pure RNG

I ran the level for 2 weeks trying to get all 4 main

Failing a successive terminal won’t affect terminal, R7D1 ending terminal sequence is given randomly by the game

So you just pray you get all 4 main terminals

[wind cliff]

If deactivate alarms is allowed you might as well deactivate the class 10 charger

[gritty atlas]

Hows the speedrunning community going.. anyone alive here?..

[little bloom]

speedrunning kinda snooze

long runs are more interesting

80 minute r6c3 pe

[placid marten]

When are you beating the 10 hour r6c1? Or hell the crazy 47 hour r6b2

[languid narwhal]

Hi Bobo 👋

[placid marten]

i wouldnt even know where to start if it wasnt so obvious

[untold laurel]

Yeah I'm not sure why his 21:12 E1 clear doesn't say [ WORLD RECORD ] on it

Like if I'm gonna ban someone I'd just claim world record

[placid marten]

oh they meant starting a completely different alarm to deactivate it with the command.
This takes roughly 5-10 extra seconds (not exactly sure) because you have to wait for the door to open and to start the charger class 10 in r7d1 before you actually deactivate the full room scan in the error side zone

[untold laurel]

He dodged both of us bobo

[candid jackal]

a bona fide kiter

[fading snow]

general question for everyone. || how big of a cluster, number-wise, of [sleeping] strikers could you handle alone with a hammer? ||

[placid marten]

full stealth, kill or survive?

[grave path]

If I'm biotracker, 0 because I have to be ready to ping at all times

[fresh kiln]

2-3 if full stealth

[candid jackal]

probably depends on how far dispersed they are

[placid marten]

probably means in nearly immediate wake up?

[candid jackal]

if they're right on top of each other, 2 or 3 probably, if they're dispersed you can probably go up to 8 or whatever

[covert cypress]

biotracker please ping enemies

[grave path]

🔺

[fading snow]

full stealth; there's a scout in the room.

[placid marten]

id say 3 for full stealth. 4 at once was fun to do back with occi 1 taps. but havent rly done that in a while

[covert cypress]

wait ryk u just gave me an amazing idea

if i find pubs that i dont like im gonna put that red triangle as a note on their profile

[fading snow]

\🔴 \🛑 \⛔ \🚫

[grave path]

I think the best answer is along what pachi is saying, it depends how many are in proxy aggro range of each other

A group of 4 all in proxy aggro range is much different from 2 in proxy range and 2 outside of it

[placid marten]

all in proxy aggro range probably makes the most sense
since you could just manip the ones outside of it

[grave path]

🔻

[versed echo]

[coral pelican]

Meme speedrun category
True 100%
In addition to normal 100%, collect every artifact in the level

[wind cliff]

We did that once

Not fun

[coral pelican]

I think you're lying, I think it was the most fun

[wind cliff]

Your right I must have been mistaken. I enjoyed myself

[placid marten]

all artifacts, all enemies (unless respawned ones)
all boxes/lockers/random consumables

all doors opened

[crimson shore]

please give me r3

[delicate flare]

never

[crimson shore]

please man theres so many good guns

the special weapon category is such a snoozefest rn

[delicate flare]

excuse me >:o
leave my shotguns in peace u eagle! /lh

[crimson shore]

i didn't say they were bad

i just mean they're all so

samesy

except sniper

sniper is cool

[vernal glen]

artifacts map?

[wind cliff]

Logs to find artifacts 👀

[fading snow]

sniper shotgun? with 40m effective range?

[fading snow]

anyone know the exact difference in speed for extrac scan for 1/2/3/4 people? someone said there is no benefit from 2 and higher but I've never actually paid attention.

[versed echo]

It depends on the level. With objective item extractions, you only need 1 person with the fog turbine/HSU/cargo for it to go “full speed”.

All other extraction scans are proportional to the amount of people you have in. Eva probably has all the times written down

Or bread

[placid marten]

With a requirement (example neonate) its always the same between 1 and 4

if its a normal one the time varies depending on scan

but usually if you take 1 player as a base line

With 2 you get 20% boost, with 3 40% with 4 50%

[fading snow]

ty.

[fading snow]

is going on terrain inaccessible by strikers enough of a glitch/bug to not be accepted in restricted runs?

[placid marten]

depends

its somewhat of a case by case basis i guess?

[versed echo]

^

[fading snow]

ok, R7D1 going on the top wall during charger scan?

[versed echo]

That's somewhat out of bounds so no.

They aren't able to hit you either.

You can't be "camping"/hiding completely

[fading snow]

ok perfect! that's what i wanted to know. ty

[round kite]

if you are using it as a route these cases are allowed, ex just uring it to cross from one side to another, but like Voidspace said, cant camp there to avoid being hit

[versed echo]

https://youtu.be/_RmD5hVvHLQ

[covert cypress]

seeded run

[indigo quarry]

fr, hella seeded

[fading snow]

how do i get better at dodging attacks?

i know for strikers you just gotta get out of their hit window by strafing left/right, jumping over them, or sprint jumping to the side but it seems super inconsistent (maybe my timing is just really off). also is it best to just strafe or "dash" back to conserve stamina, cause I seem to get high HR very fast?

note: i'm fine dodging shooters, hybrids, giants, || tank ||, etc. but I seem to really struggle with normal strikers (if there's more than like 2) and chargers.

[covert cypress]

look both ways before crossing the street

[stone geode]

look up in the air to change ur hitbox

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[fading snow]

that sounds like a troll but i'll try it

[placid marten]

Go into smth like A1 and practice with a single striker to just dodge

By far the easiest way is to just strafe around them (easier as host btw) or go the same path in a sprint, but this obviously uses stamina.

[versed echo]

A good beginners strat to dodging would be running away in a serpentine way. Because you’re running in an S shape, you will move out of range of the striker tongue hitbox, effectively dodging their attack.

This only applies to very open spaces

[languid narwhal]

this man above is SNIVELING SNAKE telling you SSSSNIVELING LIESSSS you must go for the CRAB APPROACH when dodging sleeper ATTACKS the serpentine will only april fool!

[indigo quarry]

hello is this chatGPT

[south citrus]

Any update on the speedrun lores

[placid marten]

we added a distinction for logs and no logs

been waiting for the promised metric ton of runs to come in

[fading snow]

i just increased my settings (from 1080p -> 2k; and moved some settings to high) and my fps increased?

only difference was i launched game from within GeForce rather than steam. did that alone increase my fps?

[stray remnant]

gfe couldve "optimized" some stuff when launching from there.. so yeh.

[gritty atlas]

if i clear a level with bots, does it belong to 4 player or 1?..

[misty relic]

if you clear it with 3 bots then its a 4 player run

[gritty atlas]

[crude gale]

Funnily enough "Solo with bots" is not real

That's like saying "Solo with 3 other players"

[versed echo]

It’s because the GTFO community has 2 definitions of “solo”, one of which is solo w/ bots and the other true solo

I’ve always found the definition (or the first thing that comes to mind) as “true solo” since the definition of solo is alone

[crude gale]

Oh yeah I'm aware of the 2 definitions, just one of them is a bit silly to call solo

[versed echo]

Yea, I don’t know how the “solo w/ bots” definition ever came about

So I’m usually like, “??” when people post vids w/ the title “Solo w/bots”. Feel like they should title the video “[Expedition] w/ bots”

Makes a lot more sense

[median quarry]

when ppl say they solo'd a level but they have 3 bots

[upbeat tusk]

solo with bots

[eternal dust]

Bots with solo

[soft talon]

bolo with sots

[simple sand]

bots only run?

[round kite]

Bots make the seed better

That’s why I run with @versed echo 😎

[novel oyster]

I must be the only one who does the latter then.

[round kite]

Ty for your work

[novel oyster]

😅

[placid marten]

[robust violet]

Seeded run

[placid marten]

No bitches

[round kite]

https://youtu.be/DTb5FTFfPVs

[native crest]

Imagine not getting A key when seeding smh just search 1000000 more seeds

[round kite]

[crimson shore]

HEADS UP R3 IS COMING OUT FEB 29TH

TELL UR FRIENDS

[versed echo]

https://youtu.be/93ME6dy8bWM

[round kite]

[crimson shore]

get it because the 29th isnt real

ha ha

[round kite]

they told me the voices weren't real

[night pebble]

@round kite @placid marten @versed echo saw your sub four min B1. Nice job. 😤clean

[median quarry]

not even @still latch 😭

[still latch]

blablablaftw2 will remember this 😢

[night pebble]

I didn’t know who the last one was 🥲 didn’t mean to leave ya out! Should have checked the description lol

[versed echo]

For those in the previous discussion about categories, please head to the official GTFO speedrunning discord to fill out a new poll

[untold laurel]

Damn

[round kite]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-flood-gates-gif-20444634

[gritty atlas]

just read this today..

[versed echo]

Don't worry, the poll is still up

[gritty atlas]

whats the poll for again?..

[versed echo]

Category changes

[gritty atlas]

is that why i got my previous run verified again.. twice?..

[versed echo]

No, I just moved the runs

[gritty atlas]

oh..

wheres the link for the discord btw-

[versed echo]

Right, I forgot; I'll DM it to you

[gritty atlas]

thx..

also.. now i gotta retake second place from ya..

another 5 hour session speedrun it is..

[versed echo]

[gritty atlas]

[vast quartz]

https://discord.gg/WU6K9nD

[untold laurel]

Guys it says invalid invite I can't join that server

[placid kite]

I click and it wont let me in

[covert cypress]

tragic

[vestal grotto]

What is this server about

[indigo quarry]

i think thats where they make all the gtfo run seeds to ship out to all the lobbies

[placid marten]

how else could everyone run the levels
If we stopped making the seeds every run would be the exact same! (dont tell 10CC that we take breaks whenever someone checkpoints)

[round kite]

It’s a lore server.

[round kite]

Hey guys hey guys hey guys. R3 came out and so now I’m going to go use all the guns in speedruns

[weary oriole]

I can’t wait to watch all the R3 ALT speedruns

[wind cliff]

Against dev intentions. banned

[placid marten]

@wide hamlet (sry for ping)

Afaik spawns were pretty average. (Tho it was 12 in 4 zones, to avoid going into a 5th)
ended in a 8:44 iirc

[wide hamlet]

Ur alg im curious on the run now!

[placid marten]

if you wanna watch, then i think this is the easiest way

[wide hamlet]

Interesting going to the non alarm door first

I would have assumed going alarm first to push spawns to one direction would be fastest then going non alarm door

[placid marten]

its definetly an option
Id also prefer going north first (since you can pull 2 big rooms and mine behind) and it will extend spawns for the actual alarm so you are less likely of dealing with a 2nd wave

[wide hamlet]

Interesting

North is a smaller zone so u can grab all the pid pretty fast its just a matter of working out the fastest way to do everything

[placid marten]

tbf going north in the run will always be the fastest

43 is mandatory and 39 is also quick

but both 44 (class 3 alarm) and 40 (very far away + tons of giants) take a while

I prefer the 4 man strat. (props to kenny for coming up with that) but solos are always neat

[wide hamlet]

4 man strat?

With 4 people i would just get the alarm done get the security scan done for north then just divide 2 and 2

[median quarry]

I hate that map cos all the security doors are team scans so I can't go off and do my own thing

[placid marten]

the 3:41 has all 4 perspectives if you wanna see what it is exactly

Basically a 4 way split

[versed echo]

3 suicide bombers 1 extraction man

[nocturne dragon]

need help how to beat R1C1

[wind cliff]

Impossible level need cheats

[eternal dust]

A lot of pew pew

[night pebble]

Three sentries, push up towards code 5

[orchid copper]

there's a hole in the wall a little ways back that makes for a great choke point

can't upload images here of what im talking about though aggh

[stray vector]

its before you enter the bridge area

[orchid copper]

Yes

[round kite]

Logs are so fun to use

[covert cypress]

HOW DARE YOU

[round kite]

make reload cancel lawless plz

ruins immersion

[covert cypress]

u know what ruins my immersion

these stupid speedrunners speedrunning gtfo the game

its supposed to be a TEAM GAME

where we COMMUNICATE

[round kite]

I cant stand anime pfp tho frfr

[covert cypress]

and plan things out CAREFULY

[wind cliff]

bread hitting the toxic arc

lets goo

[covert cypress]

ratio plus anime pfp

[round kite]

i hope your fish gets a mental illness (schizophrenia)

[wind cliff]

dont worry he will receive what mommy has

[round kite]

LOL

[versed echo]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-the-rock-gif-hitori-gotoh-hitori-gotoh-gif-27237975

[round kite]

When sub 10 r3d1 mystery time

👀

@covert cypress thats all i got for now, too tired so im not very creative

[covert cypress]

same

[wind cliff]

you guys are out so quickly

[covert cypress]

im multitasking mfer

[wind cliff]

bread disappointing his gf%

[indigo quarry]

based

[round kite]

shes not allowed to peg

stop trying to convince

[wind cliff]

[blissful axle]

[placid marten]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1775284146

so close, yet so far

[placid kite]

can u speedrun some E tiers

u r very good i recommend u do it

[placid marten]

already ran the hardest E tier

[placid kite]

what an impressive feat

[round kite]

Y’all should run some A tiers

[placid kite]

k

[placid marten]

R1A1

[placid kite]

i think ur chemistry scores will improve if you use your time to study instead of resetting 500 times

[placid marten]

thanks for the concern
But already passed

[placid kite]

congrats

[round kite]

but the sub 2:30 :( its real, its possible

[round kite]

Guys, shooter and giant cap is lawless, change my mind

[placid marten]

o.O

[hallow wharf]

whats the cap

[wind cliff]

Instead of killing sleepers

You run around with a bunch of giants or shooters so nothing else spawns

If you don’t kill everything 5 or less seconds into seeing it

Should be lawless

[little bloom]

just make a new category for spawn capping 4head

[placid marten]

all speedrun gone, reduced to atoms

[wind cliff]

You call yourself a speedrunner yet you kill things slowly strange

[wind cliff]

Also Eva there is a decent amount of time save in the r3d1 duo

Probs about 3 mins with insane scans and waves and resources

[placid marten]

when do we get the category where this matters. Genocide

still waiting on ya to run r3a2
The mine deployer tech makes the level kinda crazy in execution

[wind cliff]

Yeah I might want to run all of r3 duo

The b2 run looks pretty optimized

[placid marten]

B1 shitty ass lvl

[wind cliff]

Besides the starting scan

[placid marten]

theoretical is sub 7 (but thats rough rng wise)
I expect us to get a roughly 7:30 if we ever get it done cleanly

[hallow wharf]

try to speedrun R3C1 lo

lol

[wind cliff]

Want to just do rundown r3 Tom

[round kite]

Already did @hallow wharf lol

[placid marten]

its not too bad

oh you got a 4man run in bread?

[wind cliff]

Yeah 4 man rundown %

[round kite]

Fuck nvm

[wind cliff]

For fun

[round kite]

I’m brain dead

I saw r1c1

Brain No work

[placid marten]

im gonna stream stuff from your early morning to somewhere mid day since the day after is my bday

[round kite]

😔

[placid marten]

LOL

[wind cliff]

Wow

[round kite]

R1c1 best speedrun

[wind cliff]

Stop

[placid marten]

2 min of speedrun, 18 1/2 minutes of afk

[wind cliff]

rundown 3 is def possible under one hour

Good goal for blind is 1:30

[placid marten]

i dont think so

r3a3

fucks it up hard

[wind cliff]

30 min

[placid marten]

its a lock of ~17 min

[wind cliff]

I only played every level once

So idk man

[placid marten]

going off the PBs
The A tiers take 26 min

B2 will probably end around 7 1/2

[round kite]

When you home from work

Tn

[placid marten]

D1 is like 11-12?

[wind cliff]

9:15 my time

C1 is what like 13

[round kite]

D1 sub 19min?

[placid marten]

so 45 min. means we have 15 min for B1 and C1

honestly B1 seems like the biggest issue imo

[wind cliff]

4 mans

[placid marten]

ass uplinks

[wind cliff]

What is b1 again

[placid marten]

.

[wind cliff]

Don’t remember it still tbh

[placid marten]

yeah its imo the forgettable level of r3

basically, 3 alarms in 1 room (only real funny part)
then 1 uplink north, 1 south

[wind cliff]

Oh I remember it

So speed run we do all alarms

Nvm I have better tech

We cancel two of the alarms with uplink

Do the three team scans finsish the last one then do uplink and we can do scans in down time

[placid marten]

its either

1. do all 3 alarms
   2, start all 3 alarms and finish each teamscan, then cancel with uplink
2. start all 3 alarms and cancel with uplink

tbf, 3 is probably gonna be the lawless tech with uplink skip?

[wind cliff]

2

Is the way to go

100%

Cause then after uplink team scan players can go do scans

[placid marten]

could work in southern zone

northern zone last probably

[wind cliff]

Def gonna want c foam mines

[placid marten]

since its way more fucked

1 mines, 3 cfoam

[wind cliff]

Honestly might be the play

You have a ladder in the zone to mess around with

[placid marten]

ladder?

[wind cliff]

Is it a different seed from the 204 room r2c1

[placid marten]

yeah open big door

[wind cliff]

Oh

Well might just be fucked

[placid marten]

or do you mean the side zone?

[wind cliff]

Na I meant big open door

[placid marten]

ah yeah then

[wind cliff]

You just have normal doors just c foam them

[placid marten]

you have 1 alarm before
then the 1 alarm you actually gotta finish while stuff will still spawn (scary part) until you reach and finish uplink

youd probably have 1 person defend the one on uplink

and have the other 2 finish the class 5 and class 3

[wind cliff]

Yeah it will be the most fucked level

100%

[placid marten]

dunno

prob is gonna be a far easier r7d1

and feels more chill than r2c1

since that has the enemy density and fog

[wind cliff]

Of r3

[placid marten]

also blood door

[wind cliff]

of r3

[placid marten]

hmm

A2 is honestly insane (since its 1 person vs blood door and full zone, 1 inside full fog)

its just done so quick that you basically dont see it on a good attempt)

R3A3 has some parts ... holy god

the giants

[wind cliff]

The giants with 4 is very easy I think

With two

That shit is annoying

[placid marten]

you wanna have people on extract

[wind cliff]

Ah

[placid marten]

giants only start hitting once 10-20 sec are left

[wind cliff]

Lol

[placid marten]

we tried with 1 person

you just die

prob the strat if you wanna push for WR

but we did 2

and even on that bread was close to being sandwiched by 3 giants

also the person having to input codes before that in a full wave

its intense

then again, we havent tried B1

also, im still waiting for someone to get the god route done in r3d1

ive seen it once

where you can run without alerting the rooms (usually only having to kill 1-2 chargers)

[late linden]

I've always wanted to ask how you put that in practice? Do you just start an alarm and kill everything that isn't a giant or a shooter?

How long does it take more or less?

[wind cliff]

13 min run

just did it with pubs 16 mins

[wind cliff]

if you can dodge 3 gaints or like 5 shooters

the thing is the same

you put in the pratice just by getting into it

[late linden]

No, no I mean

For capping with shooters you guys mean all the wave/active enemies are shooters?

So nothing else can spawn from alarm/scouts/ whatever

[wind cliff]

yeah

[late linden]

is that correct?

Ok, so

How do you get there?

You just start an alarm then kill everything bar shooters and giants?

[wind cliff]

oh

yeah sometimes alarms will just spawn one type

[late linden]

What do you mean?

[wind cliff]

like the alarm at the end of r3d1

[late linden]

I dont remember an alarm spawning only shooters

[wind cliff]

is just shooteres

or mostly shooters

[late linden]

Never realized that

And when that's not an option?

Like I can think of R7E1's alarm spawning only chargers before Desert

[wind cliff]

if you have stacked a bunch of waves that have different spawn types

like an error charger on a giant on a shooter on a snatcher

would be hard to turn into a shooter or gaint only

[late linden]

I see, thanks

[hazy pecan]

how does one get into speed running? it seems like fun

[wind cliff]

Just run. Pick a level do it fast @hazy pecan

Most levels vids of someone doing them fast

There are some strategies that runners could explain but just go into lfg and post for speedruns

[placid marten]

i would... probably not recommend lfg on here for actual speedruns if you rly wanna get into it
but trying out going fast is a good way to get into it

otherwise theres also the speedrun discord

[placid marten]

here

id unironically recommend trying to speedrun the training. Its the most simple way to see how you can optimize minor stuff in the game and has been done by quite a decent amount of people

[placid marten]

https://www.speedrun.com/gtfo/level/Training?h=Training-Restricted&x=l_69z1jzlw-wk66onok-9l757xz8.0q5rejr1

[hazy pecan]

So just kinda go at it ?

Also are logs of any importance or no ?

[wind cliff]

no not really

you can go fast without them

just stick away from collecting levels

cause without logs they be hard

[wind cliff]

What is your time zone

[hazy pecan]

CST

[wind cliff]

okay if you want tomorrow we can get you started

[placid marten]

they become more useful when you wanna refine your times and hunt for PBs/WRs (by kicking out the bad seeds earlier). They arent hard to understand and we have some guides for them

[wind cliff]

Seems like every level can pretty was be done with pubs in 15 mins

And the 25 min reactor

Oo your alseep mb

[placid marten]

am not

but yeah, means r3 is not doable under 1 hour basically

[wind cliff]

Yeah the b1 run is not bad tbh

[hazy pecan]

I remember doing all of r1 with fire blade and a few others, I think we finished in 3 or 4 hours but we weren’t really speed running I would say

[wind cliff]

Playing faster is the first goal

[placid marten]

yep
Theres a full rundown category (has some extra rules), the goal for r1 is under 1 hour basically

[hazy pecan]

4 min in training that is extremely impressive

[hazy pecan]

i got exams coming up here pretty soon, so ill get through those then work on learning speed running

[wind cliff]

Ofc Ofc

[round kite]

R7 story %

[placid marten]

no way anyone wants to go and tryna beat that run ever lol

[versed echo]

R7 Full 100% 💀

[little bloom]

All Rundowns 100% 😈

[wind cliff]

Didn’t your r1-3 take 10 hours

[little bloom]

but i wasnt speedrunning

r1-r7 should take less than a day i think

[wind cliff]

Yeah

[versed echo]

Alright team who’s going to do R1-R8 with me 24 hr speedrun

[bleak crane]

As long as it's unoptimized, I'm in it to win it.

[hazy pecan]

ill join the suffering train

[eternal dust]

😏

[hazy pecan]

should i be concerned?

[covert cypress]

Unaware

[eternal dust]

Naah , what ya wanna run i might be up 😇

[hazy pecan]

going to get through exams first then ill look into learning

[eternal dust]

Sure, lemme know

[placid marten]

optimizing anything with multiple rng levels in it

heck, even the r7 story% isnt optimized and that has 2 current WRs, a 2nd place and 2 ok times for the other levels

[wary holly]

What is the WR time solo for R1A1?

[candid jackal]

Should be Hani's 4:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRv3V7qAl_s

[placid marten]

yup
hani do be insane(ly cute)

[wary holly]

okay thanks ima try to aim for 6 mins to start then get it down to 4.50

[still latch]

good luck, it's gonna be a grind mate

[placid marten]

good luck, youll need it

[hazy pecan]

I am sorry people do that level in under 5 min solo ?

I have a lot to work on

[wind cliff]

You need some good rng

[hazy pecan]

I assume like the key is right in the inside of that zone whatever number it is

[wind cliff]

Hsu is more important

Probably

But key is one part

Is you can do sub 8 you are doing very well

[hazy pecan]

I can consistently do it under 10 with 3 bots but I am normally not rushing terribly much

[wind cliff]

That is a good start

Doing it all by yourself tho

Is a different beast

[hazy pecan]

I would assume bring mines?

Or is there something better ?

[little bloom]

burst sentry is probably the better choice since mines will only get you through at most 2 scans for the class 4

[bleak crane]

If you're not speedrunning and you can handle big groups of enemies, c-foam is pretty good. It does require a lot of micromanagement, but the goal is to complete all of the scans before you actually fight enemies, and then you clear the wave all at once.

W8, just saw the channel

[covert cypress]

I was gonna say

Ray you know which channel this is right

[versed echo]

This is the 2nd GTFO lore channel

[bleak crane]

I guess it kind of still applies if you want to go fast but not too fast, but getting enough tool for foam is going to be slow, and clearing the wave is typically going to involve kiting away.

[covert cypress]

it’s the better gtfo lore channel really

except it’s been kinda quiet lately

[wind cliff]

At least we have a story arc

[round kite]

Lore will be back momentarily 📺

[placid marten]

Lore now costs 14,99€ or 4,99€ with a speedrun membership

[simple sand]

Screw that shit, I don't lore that bad

[median quarry]

kaneki

[round kite]

Badger

[vernal glen]

D0cR3d

[indigo quarry]

I miss him so much

[wind cliff]

he will be back for r8

[round kite]

^

[lean tusk]

So never?

[weary oriole]

[timid sinew]

[round kite]

[candid jackal]

Do not speed run r1a1

It is a mistake

Oops! All E hsus

[still latch]

you experienced PAIN, have a hug

[candid jackal]

I don't need a hug I need a sub 8min logless solo

I am too far in

[placid marten]

wdym only roughly 2/3 of a chance for E

[leaden mountain]

Dont make the same mistake I did use logs

[candid jackal]

2/3 would explain it

Some would say "two outta three ain't bad" but this is no meat loaf song

Kinda dismal odda

Odds

If I had gotten B or D hsu on my final run I probably would've gotten the sub 8

[placid marten]

B hsu

1,27%

[candid jackal]

As long as it isn't E

[still latch]

it's gonna be E most of the times thou, so you just have to get used to it

[candid jackal]

Yea

If I'm on good pace I'll try get E hsu, if not I restart

[vernal glen]

its a bunch more than 2/3 if its distributed the same as the objective pickup items

dont know yet

[south citrus]

maybe speedrun r4e1

also i've come back for more speedrunning lore

[round kite]

level is too hard

we stick to A tier

[wind cliff]

Sometimes training

[vernal glen]

alt R4E1 gonna be lit with the LOGS

[round kite]

:)

[candid jackal]

i can't wait to spend more time resetting than actually playing my favourite mission in the game!

[median quarry]

i hope they upgrade the tank to a pablo error

[indigo quarry]

*Immortal

[round kite]

R1A1 🥺

Pachi when are we running r2d2

[candid jackal]

what r2d2 and when

[round kite]

The reactor one

[candid jackal]

and this is why you run logless and reset when you get H key/E HSU instead of resetting during drop down

real ones Logs? No

but why r2d2 specifically

[round kite]

Cause there’s no run for it

[candid jackal]

and why in this channel

[round kite]

Idk

[candid jackal]

I see I see

[round kite]

The game is scary so the less time I spend in it the better

[placid marten]

once you start trying to go for quicker and quicker time it will shift into endless resets either way

[candid jackal]

I'm aware, I was resetting a fair amount in my previous streak of runs

and I think it'll become even worse if and when I go for a lower time

need good time, good key, good resource spawns, good hsu

some ammo to get past the class 4, and then some more to pull rooms in zone 52

[vernal glen]

might be better if you study instead of resetting

[median quarry]

Shut up

Pablo is canon

[ripe scaffold]

based

[indigo quarry]

i will find you

and there will be no mercy

[median quarry]

[worldly gull]

No

[wind cliff]

Mod contact has spoken

speedrunning is over

[median quarry]

justice for badger and kaneki 😔✊

[round kite]

Forever remembered

[vernal glen]

THE CHEATERS WIN AGAIN

[indigo quarry]

what did you win at

[placid marten]

dying really quick

[vernal glen]

its crazy how we can beat the record twice when the other team is literally abusing shooter bug

it makes me feel so big

[round kite]

never lose

[vernal glen]

for life

[wind cliff]

Dark day for gtfo

[teal fulcrum]

I came here for the blood

where is it

[wind cliff]

Just wait

It come

[round kite]

Pending…

[placid marten]

[versed echo]

Day 3 Mystery Time

[placid marten]

man so many resets
like 5 or so

[vernal glen]

log advantage goes hard

[hazy pecan]

How in the world did you guys get 4 min 8 seconds for the training

Lowest I can get it is 4 min 16 seconds

wait I figured out what I can improve

[timid sinew]

good luck

[wind cliff]

do you have a recording

i can tell you

as a 4:11 player

[hazy pecan]

sadly i dont have a recording, i just kind of try it from time to time to get more consistent

[hazy pecan]

its the doors that get me, i should hop through them sooner rather than waiting for them to open

[wind cliff]

maybe

[hazy pecan]

and not getting caught on little things

[wind cliff]

how do you deal with the 3 sleepers

on cp door

?

[hazy pecan]

I run hit the one, run to the door, open it, go to the next one open it, pull the door and bonk the other 3 when they go up the ladder

[wind cliff]

nice

do you do the jump

[hazy pecan]

jump?

i dont think i do?

[wind cliff]

https://youtu.be/Yu7tjRVVRd8?t=185

it is right there

[hazy pecan]

no i do not do that jump, i didnt even know that was possible

[versed echo]

Wiggle skip saves 1 second at least

[hazy pecan]

whats that?

[wind cliff]

also the jump before the door pull

[hazy pecan]

the one where you get the key?

[wind cliff]

right before the checkpoint with the 3 sleepers

[versed echo]

At 3:23

[wind cliff]

and the key

and 3:02

[hazy pecan]

i thought that was just people panicking

[wind cliff]

no you have to wiggle to get through

lol

[versed echo]

Lol panicking? They aren’t being chased though

Sleepers dead

[hazy pecan]

no like they messed up and jumped too soon sort of deal

[wind cliff]

haha yeah i get it

[versed echo]

Nah speedrunners don’t do unnecessary movement

If it’s been done it’s usually for a reason

[wind cliff]

okay the video i sent tho is a semi perfect run*

[hazy pecan]

i do sometimes mess up opening that door

[wind cliff]

that door is fucking hard as shit

dw

the angle is shit

[hazy pecan]

glad to know its not just me

also have to get lucky with the ammo pack sort of

[wind cliff]

no you can use a tool

or even a medi

[hazy pecan]

so do you jump crouch and then wiggle through?

[wind cliff]

no crouch

that is the time save

[hazy pecan]

i thought you needed a ammo pack?

[wind cliff]

na you can use any of them

[versed echo]

Crouch skip works but is a bit slower

[wind cliff]

crouch you can do

[hazy pecan]

ill have to give that a try later on

for the health i assume you just use your bat and heal when you are low sort of deal?

[wind cliff]

yup

Levi got his 409 like that

LOL

wait was it 408 for levi?

[versed echo]

With medi you gotta be careful too, you can get aimpunched out of door pull

4:09

[hazy pecan]

is there a reason why you stare at the bottom door during the alarm?

or is that just to time the scan?

[wind cliff]

which one

give me the time code

[hazy pecan]

https://youtu.be/Yu7tjRVVRd8?t=249

and a little before that as well

[wind cliff]

intimidation

if you dont look at sleepers

they will walk at you sooner

it is so you can get stam reset

[hazy pecan]

is that an actual thing?

[wind cliff]

yeah

[hazy pecan]

i had no clue that was a thing

[wind cliff]

sleeper you have your back to will attack you without delay

running away from sleepers without turning around makes them catch you

[hazy pecan]

thats some good info

also does it matter which thing you are holding when you are running to extract? or is there no difference

[wind cliff]

no

just dont jump

or move to the side

tank the damge

[hazy pecan]

is slidding still ok or no?

[wind cliff]

yes

[hazy pecan]

sliding*

[wind cliff]

you need to

the entire run

else you would get 408

[hazy pecan]

Ok, i think i might be sliding too much cause sometimes i just crouch but thats a simple fix

[wind cliff]

yeah

just record a run

doesnt matter if it is abd

[hazy pecan]

ill have to get some sort of recording software cause i got none that i know of

[versed echo]

Use OBS

[hazy pecan]

Sounds good, thank you for the help/tips

[wind cliff]

dw

you can ask us or eva

for speed help

[hazy pecan]

Kk ty

[round kite]

Check out the lawless eval 😎

[placid marten]

gl

[vernal glen]

you dont have to wiggle

its just rly precise

so with your wiggle you get the right angle by accident

while also getting all the wrong angles as well

[placid marten]

yep
should anyone ever be crazy enough to try a TAS of the training, finding that angle would definetly be neat

[hazy pecan]

I now see how that jump between the railings can really speed you up if you don’t miss the jump

[wind cliff]

yup

what is your time now

[hazy pecan]

I got 4min 22 seconds, but that’s cause I was trying the new things you guys recommended

And I also missed the jump

And messed up killing one guy in the group of four

[wind cliff]

yup it happens

[hazy pecan]

Same time on training, I assume using the door glitch or something ?

[placid marten]

technically lawless makes 4:07 possible

[hazy pecan]

i assume 4:08 is as low as you can get without doing a lawless run?

[placid marten]

as far as i know yep

maybe if you do some insane time safes with a TAS

[candid jackal]

what changes between lawless aand regular

[placid marten]

bhops

you can ignore the stamina impact at the end of the level and when running to the checkpoint key door

you can technically door bug, but obviously that doesnt really do anything

[candid jackal]

Ah

[hazy pecan]

TAS?

[placid marten]

tool assisted speedrun

[hazy pecan]

so like an external sort of thing?

[placid marten]

its definetly not allowed for the "standard" runs and is more of a showcase

[hazy pecan]

gotcha

[placid marten]

lets you control the input for every frame

[hazy pecan]

oh

[placid marten]

which means you can pin point perfect open doors at max range, the moment you can pull them

[hazy pecan]

which would add up to possibly make a difference

[placid marten]

yep
also the blackhops (only allowed in lawless) which ignore stamina when you manage to chain very well timed jumps

[hazy pecan]

dont even know how to do those and i think sticking with the normal runs would be easier to learn

[placid marten]

tbf lawless is overall less run
And they are only allowed there, but you are allowed to use a macro for them (since it falls under the only 1 button being pressed rule)

[hazy pecan]

what if you just bind everything to that one button?

[wind cliff]

script vs macro

[hazy pecan]

ah

nvm

[hazy pecan]

the angle is between 120 and 135 but closer to 135

just slightly

[placid marten]

last day before r4 and we finally get the r3b2 time

holy

[candid jackal]

How long were you grinding runs for

[placid marten]

we started on the 30th of march

at least like 20 hours

[wind cliff]

Good stuff

[placid marten]

speedrun website is updated to include alt r4

submit your times now to get a free wr

[wide hamlet]

they should add a solo section XD

curious how fast people could solo each level

[placid marten]

there is

.

@wide hamlet check out the page

[wide hamlet]

oh thanks didnt take a look XD

[main wigeon]

I see a lot of people crouch repetitively while sprinting, what purpose does that serve?

[delicate flare]

saves a lil stamina but its also just funnier than just runnin

cause u slide

[wind cliff]

Stamina conversion but if you have other bad stamina habits sliding won’t save you

[coral pelican]

At this point it just makes me feel better even if I'm not actually saving anything
And it's a way to fidget

[round kite]

I only do it because it looks funny. And I always make sure to jump after so I don’t gain any speed from it

[wind cliff]

I slide into my melee kills in stealth

So my knees hurt more

[little bloom]

you don't crouch slide to save stamina, you crouch slide + jump so you maintain some of the sprint momentum while reloading

[wind cliff]

Yeah that but why not just black hop

“Easier” and you go faster

[little bloom]

because black hopping takes too much skill 😖

[round kite]

good thing there is heroic heart 💀

[wide hamlet]

Whats black hopping?

[wind cliff]

It is new bunny hopping

[wide hamlet]

Whats the added step?

[wind cliff]

The timing is much tighter

[wide hamlet]

As b-hopping was just jumping constantly pretty much

Ah

[wind cliff]

No

The timing is kinda crazy

[wide hamlet]

Does it save stamina at all?

[versed echo]

Opposite lol

[wind cliff]

No it maxes out stamina almost immediately

[wide hamlet]

[wind cliff]

It keeps you at high speeds

[versed echo]

Immediate 180-190 BPM

When enemies are up

[wide hamlet]

Oh so max stam but highest speed u can get?

[wind cliff]

Yeah

[versed echo]

If you started early, yea

[wide hamlet]

Intet

[wind cliff]

Assume you don’t mess up

[wide hamlet]

Interesting*

[wind cliff]

And started from 60 resting

Only really doable for 2-3 hops without macro

[wide hamlet]

Interesting

Is there a vid anywhere of someone doing it?

[versed echo]

Yes

https://www.speedrun.com/gtfo/run/y2e0477y

[wide hamlet]

Cool thx

[versed echo]

Unfortunately I don’t have access to my computer so I can’t pull up my own clips

So that’ll have to do^

[wind cliff]

I could pull up the Kenny clip