gtfo-speed-running

[thorny holly]

..

[shut turret]

I am in physical pain

NCR

pls

give good NCR

I just want sub 40 run on A1

prayge

[narrow mortar]

sub-40 seconds, wow you are pretty fast.

[ionic halo]

sub 5:40 is what Shiro meant

but yeah

pain

[versed echo]

we pray 🙏

[shut turret]

we hope

[main plinth]

hi

[open crown]

[placid marten]

@versed echo not sure whether i should just upload another 4.08 for any% or do and try the true% eval to see if sub 4:40-4:30 or so is possible (when im back )

[versed echo]

do both 😎

i’m also sure its possible to get sub 4:40 for sure since i’m not the best while you got experience under your coat

i just gotta keep practicing 😅

[placid marten]

Yeah tried it once and got. 4:43 even tho the run was scuffed

Major thing is that you can sprint on the left with the 4 sleepers for the avoiding to wake the room (and then stop at the corner to the single one, insta kill it and walk towards the door to open)

Now if i dont get suck at multiple things (terminal lol) then 4:30 is possible maybe

[placid marten]

4:08 is pain
I got 2 4:08s
and both were rough

[candid flicker]

is there a record for the eval?

[terse spire]

4:08 and whatever the ms are

[placid marten]

checkable on speedrun.com
Tho the time there is neither as good as my (nor wesleys) best time (tho only by a fraction of a second)

[timid sail]

Anyone tried a completionist nuzzlocke?

[narrow mortar]

How would that even work

[subtle carbon]

you have to name all your bots and if a bot dies you kick them from the round

[round kite]

e1 in 15:51
https://youtu.be/xEHFVkI6C4Q

[median quarry]

maybe the chinese are the real based players

they didn't even cheese for their e1 speedrun

[hexed igloo]

Holy shit there’s a speed running community? I never knew

[gusty wharf]

how do I go fast

[vernal glen]

hold w

and use funny macro

[gusty wharf]

wait

yall use macro for speedrunning

L

it would be consistent if u were good enough but ig they need a macro

lmao

[vernal glen]

for some categories

[versed echo]

i haven't used a single macro for any of my speedruns

i do need to start using macros tho

[placid marten]

Outside of Bhops what would you need macros for :0?

[lean tusk]

Terminals

Ain’t no body got time to type shit

[placid marten]

i mean
I practiced the log skip several thousand times til i got it down well enough

[vernal glen]

unfortunately the speedrun team is dead again

[placid marten]

F

[versed echo]

Eva I have yet to even create a macro for bhop so yea 💀

I need to create a macro for that

[vernal glen]

macros for the 4:07 eval

render queue frames is a very cringe setting

[round kite]

https://youtu.be/9sAtFJOQUjk

[placid marten]

TAS EVAL

[vernal glen]

lf team

[versed echo]

what record you tryna beat wesley?

[vernal glen]

anything!

[versed echo]

👀 did Eva and Shiro die

[vernal glen]

the queen died

[versed echo]

😩 man

[placid marten]

[placid marten]

i did ask wesley before

[vernal glen]

when

give the lobby code

[versed echo]

you’re alive!

[ionic halo]

<@&408548765599793173>

[near oracle]

Is it possible to solo with bots C1 on the current rundown?

[dim shale]

probably

you can def solo without bots

[signal swan]

you just gonna need alot of experience and map knowledge

[near oracle]

well then, I know next to nothing about the map layout except for like one area and im above average in skill for fps games.
I was trying that cursed map for like 3hrs and I just need to tinker with my loadout and ill be alright

[steep oracle]

what weps yall use for speedruns

[ionic halo]

Apart from melee, it's usually free form and the one we're the most comfortable with

[steep oracle]

any main weapon recommendations

[small portal]

Main weapon is really personal preference, if you really want an advice, hel revolver is probably the most used. Special weapon on the other hand, may have to optimized based on levels, like R5E1/R6D1 speed running team all have 4 snipers.

[ionic halo]

Hel Rev is what my mates use indeed (I personally have PDW)

and for specials yes it depends on the path taken what you need cleared by the person

[steep oracle]

so what about C1?

for r7

[ionic halo]

We haven't routed it with my group, but I'd say Choke mod is needed due to Snatcher, and some wave clearing for the ramping up error

[signal swan]

personally

choke for snatch

mg for crowd

[vernal glen]

trust your team

why special weapon for snatcher

if each of you hit 2 hel revolver shots he already staggers

[steep oracle]

whats the pulse supposed to do?

[ionic halo]

it's in combat Stamina, it gradually slows you down, and at worse, it stops you from running

[steep oracle]

oh okay. friends thought it'd like drain your health if too high or something hah

[versed echo]

When I played R6.5, extended periods of running while stamina was max/yellow made me lose 1 hp, not sure if it changed this rundown

[terse spire]

That was never a thing

[rose wasp]

yall are too slow🥱

my fastest D2 speed run was 5 minutes and 2 seconds

[vernal glen]

thanks for info

[versed echo]

Well it happened to me, so idk

[grand python]

Nearly finished rundown. Going to try soloing some missions to git gud, thinking going fast is important. Any advice for a scrub like me? Specific kit etc

[solar estuary]

Bring burst sentry, a main weapon you're comfortable with at range, and a special you can use as panic weapon when enemies get too close. Unless you want to kite the enemies to win, then do whatever helps you do that. Alarms are the part that will get you the most, and normally you have plenty of ammo for what you need to do, just don't lose all your HP and die. It's not easy, but it's possible. DMR is nice for killing lots of small enemies efficiently if you can land the shots. Shotgun, machine gun, or precision rifle are good weapons too for solo, but you can make most weapons work for solo.

That's my advice, I don't solo that often anymore though.

Good luck m8

[vernal glen]

if you want to solo A1 and your main goal is just to get the clear i would recommend not going fast at all

and i think mines are the best option as you can make sure to loot all the tool and then use many mines for each alarm

and there's a pretty good chance that you'll find a cfoam if you're going through every box/locker

[solar estuary]

That's how I solo'd R1, mines, SMG, MG, all the way, haven't solo'd rundowns since the first, but the mines are still strong for it.

[quartz kernel]

Going fast is only if you really want that timer to be shorter or bragging rights how fast you can clear them

Then again this also depends on the level

[placid marten]

yeah. a requirement for going faster is also knowing how to clear the map normally. Then you start cutting corners to go quicker and quicker pretty much

[vernal glen]

when runs

[ionic halo]

Now, so get in

[shut turret]

LMAO

RIP WESLEY

[vernal glen]

ight

[shut turret]

youre being kidnapped

[lean tusk]

Eval speedrun?

[ionic halo]

Already quite optimised

[lean tusk]

better be wes number 1

[placid marten]

technically wes is number 1

[quartz kernel]

Wes #1

[vernal glen]

but no 4:07

[placid marten]

4:07

[shell leaf]

Wes #2

Im better i have a better time

[placid marten]

o.O

[lean tusk]

Is the prophecy of a 4:06 eval speedrun true???

Can’t be

[placid marten]

3:59

[vernal glen]

got a 3:68

[placid marten]

not impressed unless you get a 2:128 tbh

[foggy isle]

get 0:00

[kindred barn]

never buy the game
done with it in -:-- flat

[onyx kelp]

open the game, after 0.1s off it, should it call speed run?

XD

[kindred barn]

"finished all (that i will ever play)!" WR

[versed echo]

gotta go sped

[median quarry]

these guys are spooky

[smoky nacelle]

Dose any one won't to play

[bleak crane]

Be me
Have to try and explain optimization to "I think speedrunners have ESP, they go right for where the keys are."

[ionic halo]

ESP?

[kindred barn]

short for Extra Sensory Perception

or... 🔮 🧙‍♀️ 🐈‍⬛ psychic!!

[ionic halo]

Oh yeah

lmao we just read the logs for the keys now

I wanted to do a writeup to explain how it work on Speedrun. com but I never found the time to write it up

I think that may be the answer you seek @bleak crane
Log reading started in R7, but before you just picked up the spot and prayed it was there or reset (R6A1 infamous key spot for example)

(Unless I misunderstood what you meant)

[bleak crane]

Cheats, basically.

[ionic halo]

I see

[bleak crane]

Yeah, I told them about both.

That (1) the most optimized runs are going to check the best possible spawns and then immediately reset if objective items are too far away and (2) you can use information early in a run to discover what your seed is, and then use your knowledge of that seed to know where everything else is ahead of time.

[ionic halo]

It's not really the seed anymore, now we just can read the actual spot it spawns in

[bleak crane]

Wym?

[ionic halo]

Basically if you check the log after the opening cutscene, you can track down the key and the id of the spot it is in (and zone), once you have them mapped the ids to the actual spots, you can restart to your heart's content until the good spot is found, regardless of seed.

Even then there's some caveats, since we also know the probability that it spawns in each room, like the very rare 0.05% key in the first room of the side zones of R7A1

and you still are RNG dependant for NCR's, Cells, cases and all that

[bleak crane]

I'm not understanding, isn't that just seed manipulation?

[ionic halo]

no, because the spot the key spawns in isn't tied to a certain seed

[bleak crane]

What's being controlled for, then?

[ionic halo]

You check the spot the key spawns in to eliminate bad runs from the root, but the seed itself is irrelevant, since only the spot matters, you don't have to check a zone number or a terminal number.

Once again, I may be misunderstanding what you are saying, English isn't my first language

[bleak crane]

Oh, so instead of looking for a specific pool of seeds, you're checking beforehand if your seed has a specific spawn you want?

[ionic halo]

basically, we then compare the id of the spot to our own map (that each group makes/curates) and decide if the run is worth or not

Kenny explained it to me then, and I should definitely make a guide, considering the number of key maps

[wind cliff]

you read the log key has a number lets say 48 r1a1 that spawn will be close g front spawn

so we run the seed

[bold gorge]

i'm surprised to see a speed running section. i thought we already got a large taste of that on a regular basis. the moment we start a security door, we're all running and hopping around like rabbits trying to stand on the ever-changing scanner circles. i guess it's just me who wants tactical realism and teamwork

[kindred barn]

some people don't think this game is hard.

but i would venture a guess that even those people would say it has more difficulty than realism.

[bleak crane]

Ok, but who asked?

[placid marten]

Like... speedrunning is done in almost every game doesnt rly matter the difficulty

[modern mortar]

You can always have 2 people defend and 2 people scan. Old meta, alarms take longer

[idle arrow]

Haven't played in over 2 years and this is exactly how I remember it lol.

[versed echo]

Speedrunning meta is all scan

Then deal with enemies during

[vague vapor]

Are there any major glitches used in gtfo speedrunning?

[placid marten]

theres the lawless category with

1. door bug (breaking it in a specific timing when pressing to close it. Enemys cant pass through)
2. stormtrooper shooters. (need to stay in run/lobby for 2+ hours or so, shooters miss everything now unless they have highground on you)

i may be missing some stuff for major glitches

[upbeat tusk]

has anyone found an oob for gtfo?

[placid marten]

i mean theres some oob spots appearantly (see r7d1) but those dont seem reliable

Same for the bug where you fall through the map

[upbeat tusk]

most of the fall through the map seem to just be people having loading issue with the game render itself

[placid marten]

Yea

but yeah the only spot i know where you could fall through something was that spot before r7d1 huge shadow/charger room with 2 scouts

people posted clips of that recently

id imagine if you could skip that door with an oob it would safe MASSIVE TIME

[upbeat tusk]

that doesn't seem really useful

is that the one where you lower the second class X?

[placid marten]

its the first zone you drop in. Before the security door to the 2nd (where you do the first class x in

[upbeat tusk]

D1 has charger at the first zone?

[placid marten]

2nd…

[upbeat tusk]

oh ok

you drop to tp to the hub zone or you drop to tp to the 2nd one?

[placid marten]

you drop through the floor infront of the security door to the 2nd. If you could go into the 2nd door (skipping the sec door and bulkhead sequence) that would be a strat

[upbeat tusk]

if it worked

[ionic halo]

There was once a way to clip Through R1C1Ex's bulkheaddoor

[placid marten]

R1c1 ex?

amanes

r1 extreme?

[vernal glen]

R1C2, R4C1 extreme, R5C1

[placid marten]

old r1c2 or current?

[vernal glen]

old

in the weird ceiling room with the charger alarm

you would parkour and clip through the top

and then jump over sec door(s?)

[placid marten]

[vernal glen]

i think there was a 2nd one actually

in the zone after where you jumped on some pipes and did the same thing again

but that tile isn't there anymore

and the pipe is blocked off with invis walls whenever it does generate now

[placid marten]

:/

i mean we can always do some searches

[ionic halo]

R4C1 Extreme*

[versed echo]

I’ve never had it work for 2 hours

For me it had to be a solid 8+

I actually left my game running for over 14+ hours and it worked for me the first time

I have a clip of it

[wind cliff]

Possible oob idea is having enough entities rendered that walls might not work possibly or if we had any ability to generate a large amount of speed but I don’t think it is really practical

[wind cliff]

This would make the class 10 hell tho if it existed

[crude bane]

i don't want to speed run i just want someone to play the game with right now so anyone up for it

[wind cliff]

post a lobby in lfg

[placid marten]

could just door bug scouts before hand with overload

Or it might work like usual and spawn them outside the door

[versed echo]

It'd be nice to clip through the door for the first Class X alarm

Would save tons of time

Chargers wouldn't even be able to get you

[ionic halo]

I'm pretty sure they'd just spawn on you

[versed echo]

Aww

I just based my guess after what I saw in R7C3, where the scout wave spawned behind the security door

[wind cliff]

they will spawn on top of you

if the sec door isnt open

[hazy pecan]

Playing with a full team is so much easier, did all of r1 yesterday in 2 hours don’t think that’s all that impressive for a speed run but 4 people really makes a difference

[subtle quartz]

2hrs is right there with a competent team

third of the time it takes to do R7C2

[placid marten]

yeah, full rundown speedrun is probably gonna be around a bit less than an hour

the only time i have no clue about rn is C2

everything else currently adds up to ~45 min if rounded up

[weary oriole]

That’s crazy

[hazy pecan]

Wait… I played with you didn’t I ?

[weary oriole]

[hazy pecan]

It was fun sprinting around bonking things and breaking doors if they took to long to hack

[kindred barn]

bowling ball simulator is a fun game mode in GTFO

[hazy pecan]

Haven’t heard of that one

Unless it just breaking everything in sight

[kindred barn]

someone else used the term like we move through the level like a bowling ball and i really liked it

[hazy pecan]

That’s basically what we were doing

[gaunt gazelle]

you can definitely style on R1

[eternal dust]

funny : )

[willow dust]

sooo close to speedrun R7C2

the urge is here but i dont have the team neither the skill for it

[placid marten]

skill is overrated
For team, just ask people

[eternal dust]

Hi😊

[ionic halo]

Board should be updated to include submissions for R2 ALT
Ping me if there's an issue somewhere

[torn marten]

Does anyone have a map of r7a1 lootbox placements?

[placid marten]

#guides-and-reviews message

for those that dunno how to look at logs
super scuffed, but does the thing

[torn marten]

Yea I actually saw this an hour ago lmao

[hazy pecan]

Just run around really fast

[vernal glen]

issue: skill

[placid marten]

issue: havent run yet

[ionic halo]

[wind cliff]

Now that you know the logs

You need to make the maps yourself funny funny haha

[round kite]

Issue: skill

[quaint pebble]

Denied

[rancid mason]

@weary oriole Sub 6 min R2B1 speedrun when

[wind cliff]

@weary oriole i have key map for you 👀

[placid marten]

sub 6

[weary oriole]

Maybe someday @rancid mason @wind cliff

When R8 comes out

[rancid mason]

Lmfao see you in 2024 then

[placid marten]

You heard it here first
R2 came out in 2022
so r8 will come out in 2028

[rancid mason]

completely forgot that they did another speedrun and got sub 5 lol

R2B1 speedrun in less than 4 minutes les gooo

[placid marten]

could actually be possible with boosters

[rancid mason]

That and autopp

[placid marten]

eh. Holding the scans usually isnt the issue

running into blood door areas and the time itself is

did some runs of it today. Got to 4:37

below 4:30 is def possible

[rancid mason]

I did a solo/w bots run of R2A1 and got 8 minutes

im no speedrunner but im proud of that

[weary oriole]

You’re a speedrunner in my heart ❤️

[rancid mason]

[wind cliff]

I will make any key map you ask of me pls just speed run again

[versed echo]

Speedrun training pls ❤️

[placid marten]

Fireblade just gets a 4:06 out of nowhere

[arctic maple]

fireblade sucks

[covert cypress]

true

he should uninstall

[round kite]

I’m number 2 😈

[sullen plover]

looking for help r2e1

[eternal dust]

🤔

[median quarry]

In R8 you run or fly I prefer "Pull"

[hazy pecan]

whole r2 speed run in an hour

[full orchid]

help me pass r2a1 looking for players

[wind cliff]

this isnt an lfg D:

[versed echo]

Try #lfg-beginners

[untold laurel]

can someone explain to me why in speedrunning ur allowed to use 3rd party software to know where objective items are b4 the run even starts but u cant use boosters

[wind cliff]

It isn’t third party

We do it by hand and checks logs generated in your files

[wind cliff]

The reason we allow it is mainly to relive resetting

[wind cliff]

And if we don’t it is impossible to I force people not using it

[untold laurel]

so why are boosters not allowed LOL

[wind cliff]

They are just in the lawless mode

mainly because farming for boosters is like

Lame

[upbeat tusk]

the log thing is impossible to detect

[untold laurel]

so can we seed

[wind cliff]

Honestly I think it is fine if you say it but Idk about the leader broads

[untold laurel]

LOL

[green fox]

why is using notepad to find where rng items are allowed

but not in game boosters

[untold laurel]

so can I use aimbot if no one can detect it

[upbeat tusk]

they did detect someone in the team was cheating and disqualify before

[wind cliff]

???? how do you want us to find people using logs

[untold laurel]

ok so I can seed then

how are u going to detect sesed

seed*

[upbeat tusk]

pisky incident

[green fox]

how do you figure out when i steal 1 dollar gum back from grocery store?

you dont

[upbeat tusk]

i forgot his name

[green fox]

its still illegal

do you understand how stupid that soudns

[untold laurel]

i honestly dont care can I just seed now because no one can detect it

and can I have 3 of my teammates aimbot

[green fox]

what if the other 3 players all have cheats on

[wind cliff]

Ok you do you man

[untold laurel]

bc others cant tell

[green fox]

and we only record 1 POV

how do you detect that?

thats allowed too i guess

even if you cant figure out why or how it should still be not allowed

[upbeat tusk]

you do you man

[wind cliff]

Take it up with verifiers. But people have been using this for a while now pre r5

[green fox]

im argueing that your point is terrible right now

"cant tell"

you cant tell any other amount of cheats

why is this one allowed

[upbeat tusk]

honestly

just ask verifier

[kindred barn]

is verifier a title, organization, or person? 😅

[upbeat tusk]

they were people that make the rule

[wind cliff]

On the speed running server

[green fox]

the unfortunate thing is

one of them gets world records using that method

so i can sense its shit out of luck

hard to argue with the guy thats only getting world records using that

[wind cliff]

We have super mods for a reason

[untold laurel]

tbh idc

i just wanted to ask if we can seed for that reason

[upbeat tusk]

im argueing that your point is terrible right now
it is terrible but what can you do

[kindred barn]

grab the tomatoes?

[upbeat tusk]

it's in every game

it's just who is better cheater than other

if you think that way

we can also use minecraft as an example

hell, you can use DREAM cheat incident of all thing

[wind cliff]

Loading up 50 games at the same time using f3 is cheating

Not intended way of playing

[untold laurel]

ok i guess we wont seed but spam logs ecks dee

[wind cliff]

Yeah if you want we can show you the cool things but there is no logging your records away

The levels you did aren’t really useful to go with with logs

You can’t find cell or terminal password or rector codes

Only gather items Ids and keys

[untold laurel]

u dont even know what level were doing

[upbeat tusk]

seeded would be faster

[untold laurel]

yes but if u seed

they are going tomagically decide

SEEDING IS CHEATING

u know its gonna happen

[upbeat tusk]

depend if you get caught or not

[untold laurel]

?

[versed echo]

Remember that we have the right to reserve your game files for verification. We have tools to check aimbot.

[upbeat tusk]

there we go

[untold laurel]

LOL

[teal fulcrum]

what if im a crack aim

and i quickscope

[upbeat tusk]

isn't aimbot have some weird input

[versed echo]

There is a difference between cracked skill and aimbot.

[teal fulcrum]

what if i have weird input

[upbeat tusk]

ye, but not 44444444 1 million time a second

the R6 siege cheating incident

[teal fulcrum]

but im that fast tho

[native crest]

The reason checking the game files logs is allowed isn't because it is "undetectable".

It is allowed because it is a completely legitimate run of the game, without any outside modification whatsoever.

More holistically, it is allowed because it eliminates a bunch of boring resetting. The fastest runs are always going to be the ones that get the objective items in the best spots. And if you're going for the best time, your best strat is to just check those best spots and reset if it's not there.

By checking the games log files beforehand, you just know ahead of time if the items will be in those best spots or not. So you can reset immediately rather than resetting after 10 minutes when you finally get to the box.

[upbeat tusk]

i have that clip, fucking funny

[green fox]

wait so if widnows came with aimbot is that allowed?

[native crest]

Any method that does change the game files is (currently) unallowed.

[green fox]

dont you need to use other programs to find where the items are?

[versed echo]

The purpose of speedrunning is to limit or decrease the chance of RNG, as Eva has put it.

[upbeat tusk]

my man got banned of tournament because anti-cheat system said that guy press 4 too fast

[versed echo]

Windows doesn't come with aimbot. I would know as an OS developer.

[green fox]

theres a reason some games have seeded and unseeded runs

[versed echo]

There is no "what-if's" here.

[upbeat tusk]

More holistically, it is allowed because it eliminates a bunch of boring resetting. The fastest runs are always going to be the ones that get the objective items in the best spots. And if you're going for the best time, your best strat is to just check those best spots and reset if it's not there.
Man, this part feel like payday 2 speedrunning, but not too hardcore on it

[green fox]

because its obviously way more fun and skill based to not rely on seed

and you cant really argue logs are that different from seeding

[upbeat tusk]

logs are just there so you can see that you have bad seed, honestly

"god damn, i have bad seed, restart"

[green fox]

it really doesnt matter with current players*

[versed echo]

As previously mentioned, logs are generated by the game. There is no 3rd party software nor any modification within game files.

[untold laurel]

LOL

LOL

OK SO I GO TO SUDOKU TOURNAMENT. THE TILE IS SET BUT I CAN OPEN MY NOTEPAD TO TELL THE NUMBERS IN THE 4 CORNERS. GAME FILES WERE NOT ALTERED.

????????????????????????

[native crest]

I personally don't think that there is a big difference between *seeding *and resetting a hundred times until you get the best seed. But currently the line is drawn at you can't modify game files in any way, which eliminates seeding.

If you want to run seeded, then that is perhaps an entirely different category that could be added to the speedrunning leaderboards.

[versed echo]

Is notepad 3rd party software?

[green fox]

LOL YES?

[untold laurel]

LOL

[versed echo]

No. It's a default app designed by Windows.

[untold laurel]

IS THIS GUY TROLLING ME

[green fox]

LOLOLOLOL

[versed echo]

3rd party is anything outside the scope of development.

[green fox]

THIS IS SO TROLL

[untold laurel]

Ali G 2nd edition

LOL

[wind cliff]

I mean discord is third party

???

[green fox]

can you imagine

[untold laurel]

o shit

[wind cliff]

No discord

[untold laurel]

ur right

no comms

gg

[versed echo]

Discord is 3rd party.

[green fox]

im playing online math game

[versed echo]

Notepad is not.

[teal fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-take-it-anymore-im-going-insane-i-cant-even-i-cant-even-begin-to-comprehend-dejays-place-gif-23627704

[green fox]

can i use windows calculator?

thats not cheating right?

[versed echo]

Yes.

[green fox]

its windows program

[versed echo]

Though I would have no idea why you would use it.

What use would it be?

[green fox]

WAIT

[untold laurel]

hes talking about using it for a math online

[green fox]

WHAT IF IM PLAYING CHESS ONLINE

and i use windows Ai highest level

to choose my moves

[untold laurel]

PRO

PRO

[green fox]

is that allowed?

WTF

[versed echo]

Chess has no correlation to GTFO?

[green fox]

IT MUST BE

oh nice dude

[untold laurel]

wow great

[green fox]

thats a good ass counter arguement

you got me

[untold laurel]

GTFO = other rules dont apply

[teal fulcrum]

[untold laurel]

does windows have a macro program

if so why is macro banned

[green fox]

yeah

i hope it does

[versed echo]

Macros aren't banned.

[untold laurel]

hes

[versed echo]

Are you guys blind?

[untold laurel]

actualkly

Ali G

[green fox]

he is actually alig

[wind cliff]

Honestly tho you kinda bring up a good point

[untold laurel]

Ali G tell me about Youth In Asia

[versed echo]

Macros are allowed as long as they input-output to one specific key bind.

[placid kite]

Macros are allowed as long as 1 key press corresponds to no more than 1 input.

Macro with 2 = banned

[untold laurel]

?

[wind cliff]

Logs should be in the any% and restricted % should be without logs

[green fox]

exactly

[untold laurel]

yes

i agree with that

[green fox]

should separate the skill category from the memory game category

[vernal glen]

u guys with ur notepads

u dont need notepad

any pc can read files

from base terminal

tardos

[green fox]

thanks

[vernal glen]

its allowed because its reading a file

not modifying a file

modifying files has 0 limits

reading them has a very clear limit

[green fox]

wow dude

[vernal glen]

you read whats written

[green fox]

you clearly know what we are talking about

[untold laurel]

OK WESLEY DO YOU SEED

[green fox]

glad you came

we are talkignm about why the rules are dumb

[vernal glen]

and providing shittakes for why they are

[untold laurel]

do u seed

[vernal glen]

cope harder

[vernal glen]

no

[untold laurel]

so

why not

[vernal glen]

and i am fully aware you could seed

[green fox]

nice dude good answer to my question

[untold laurel]

???

[vernal glen]

and it be pretty hard to find out

[untold laurel]

ok

[green fox]

so you admit you can in here and said something totally irrelevant to the conversation

[teal fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958314367676452874/1054444770824552580/20221219_070345.jpg

[vernal glen]

i said that because you said earlier that you could cheat in ways that are pretty undetectable

just saying i agree with that

but thats not the reason the logs thing is allowed

[untold laurel]

is this the verifier that we were looking for

are u the jesus savior Verifier

[vernal glen]

i am not a verifier

i dont even upload my runs

i dont give a fuck about any of you guys or how you pertain my runs

[untold laurel]

???

[vernal glen]

on speedrun.com* in case you're confused

i just upload runs i think are good to yt

[untold laurel]

im rly confused where that came from but ok ty

[vernal glen]

you literally asked

if im a verifier

[wind cliff]

He is telling the truth here tho

[green fox]

you litterally interposed yourself in here and tried to make this about you

[untold laurel]

i did not ask whether u gave a fuck about us

[wind cliff]

He doesn’t upload runs very funny I wish I got to see them

[green fox]

like i just dont care about you personally in this

[vernal glen]

maybe you should have joined the speedrun server

where they discussed the logs thing

?

could have had your say if you cared

[green fox]

YEAH DUDE LOL that server im in

glad you guys had that huge discussion

where you made sure speedrunners were ready to talk about it

[teal fulcrum]

You guys will never beat my coomshot wr

[vernal glen]

im not part of "you guys"

cuz as mentioned i dont care too much

[green fox]

why do you keep

[vernal glen]

i'll do my runs

[green fox]

trying to make this about you

LOL

dude no one cares

[vernal glen]

if they're not according to speedrun.com rules

dont matter to me

[green fox]

we are discussing speedrun rules in the gtfo-speed-running chat

LOL

[untold laurel]

dragon u honestly should stop bc anyone can use the report function of sexual harassment as a harassment tool

[vernal glen]

the point is that you did nothing when you could have

you're just complaining way after

[untold laurel]

Peter can we just drop it this suddenly just became irrelevant

[vernal glen]

while its just speedrun.com anyway

[green fox]

i didnt know this was the american constitution and i had to but myself on the board of speedrun rule changers to talk about rule games

[vernal glen]

you can run however you want still

im not telling you that you can't talk about the rules

[green fox]

OMG DUDE

[vernal glen]

but maybe you can find a better way of doing it LOL

you wont be very successful with your current strategy

[green fox]

thats what we are doing

i like how you are only still talkign to save face because you are rapidly finding out you have no point here

LOL

"these are shit takes"

"you should have been in the speedrun discord"

"this strategy to change rules sucks"

just a downward spiral

[vernal glen]

yes i am convinced that if you care about speedrunning it would have made sense for you to be there and be more invested

i am also convinced that you could have started a way better conversation to explain your issues with the rules

[versed echo]

You could've talked about it when it was mentioned. The player base brings up issues that may need to be looked at by the team and then can be discussed further.

Then decided.

[untold laurel]

ok we got itWesley go do your homework now

[green fox]

i love the backpedaling from your entry into this conversation

LOL

[vernal glen]

keep doing personal attacks and then saying im making it personal

[green fox]

LOLOLOOLOL

[native crest]

Despite the incredible quality and maturity of this discussion, it seems that some now want the speedrunning dot com categories to look something like:

Any% lawless: All glitches allowed. Boosters allowed.

Any%: Non-game-breaking glitches allowed. No boosters allowed.

Any% restricted: Only minor glitches allowed. No boosters allowed. No checking game log files.

With potentially a discussion still to be had on if seeding (modifying game files) is allowed in any% lawless or any%.

I do also ask that everyone could just settle down and talk like adults, the categories aren't going to change from whining and arguing.

[green fox]

this

[vernal glen]

thats saying that your points are bad

[green fox]

our point that logs shouldnmt be allowed is bad

[vernal glen]

truly wonderful

[green fox]

that the rules are wrong

oky

[versed echo]

Seeding would be modifying game files.

[green fox]

glad you were born okay

[vernal glen]

xddddd

[versed echo]

As of this point, if I am not mistaken.

[native crest]

Yes, I believe so. I think that's what I said in the post, though I do want it to be clear so correct me if it's wrong.

[versed echo]

Just like how you cannot submit modded runs, you cannot modify vanilla game files.

[untold laurel]

the double standard is crazy but ok

[vernal glen]

we do be trying to explain that reading files isnt the same as modifying files

[green fox]

we are talkign about the effect ont he actual run

holy shit

[vernal glen]

understood

[green fox]

reading logs has the same ffect

[vernal glen]

counter argument is that its limited

[green fox]

and the reason we were given

[vernal glen]

vs unlimited

[green fox]

is that its undetectable

seeding is also undecetable

[vernal glen]

ok drop that reason it was pretty bad

its limited vs unlimited

[native crest]

Yes, which is why seeding is currently disallowed for all categories.

The point was made that checking game files and resetting until an optimal seed is found is very similar to seeding, hence why I think there could still be some discussion there.
Many games have separate seeded categories. It's up to us to decide if we want GTFO to have one or not.

[vernal glen]

we can only read whats written

modifying has no limit

[green fox]

thank you for being able to undestand what this conversation is about

[vernal glen]

i could see seeded being a thing

but the problem i see with that is exactly the double standard you talked about

if you can modify that one why not modify other things

[native crest]

Many of the runs that have been completed recently (which utilize checking game files) are beginning to look a lot like seeded runs, so I can understand the argument.

[versed echo]

It'd be a small player base. Modifying GTFO game files isn't easy. Minecraft, on the other hand, with easy seed placement is, well, easy to do.

[vernal glen]

because you dont modify the game in minecraft

its supported by the game to seed

[versed echo]

That too.

[vernal glen]

seeded would deff be a category here if gtfo had a built-in option to pick a seed

but for that to work here we have to tell ppl to mod the game

it aint the same as telling someone to read a file

it just aint

[versed echo]

There are games with seeded runs (because it is part of the base game and easy to do) and there are games with no such category on speedrun.com. And that's probably for a good reason like this one.

Another example would be Unrailed!. They have built in seed support because it's designed that way.

It says in the main menu what seed it is and you could input a new one or generate a random one.

No such feature exists for GTFO.

[native crest]

Because we would all agree to draw the line there.

I don't think anyone wants to just run modded game versions where you can insta complete the objective because it spawns next to you. But we could agree to allow seeding.

These are a lot of great points to disallow seeding. I agree that modifying game files in that way is quite different.

[vernal glen]

its deff way different but i surely agree it can still be a thing if ppl actually wanna run that

for it to go well i think you'd need some sort of sanctioned mod thing

[native crest]

Well, if there are enough people who want to do it then for sure, but I think it is fair to say that there isn't for a community as small as this one.

[versed echo]

You're right. It's way too small because it's way too complicated.

If you were fresh into speedrunning and wanted to do seeded runs, it's not like Minecraft.

[native crest]

So, no rule changes on seeding? Continue to be disallowed.

[versed echo]

You would need to know what to look at, what to modify, etc.

It would be tough in the player base as well as on the mod team.

[placid marten]

Yeah the speedrunning community is already quite small on top of gtfo being rather small itself.
A seeded category would probably have even less runs than lawless due to the barrier of entry

[versed echo]

Essentially would be a one-up advantage to anyone who has CS experience and has a decent knowledge on GTFO.

[native crest]

Now, the other point was if checking game files should be allowed in any% restricted.

I think it is in keeping with the spirit of the category that it be disallowed. (Even though this would be hard to enforce, I guess we'll have to rely on honesty a bit, as we always have)

[placid marten]

Also @native crest regarding the earlier comment of some of the runs starting to look like seeded
I presume you mean stuff like r2c2? Specifically id levels where mapping out things reduces the rng (which is massive otherwise) to a small level?

[vernal glen]

optimize level already look seeded anyway cuz u commit to best spawn :tf:

[native crest]

I think that's a great example. Obviously the run is not seeded. But I don't think there'd be that drastic a difference between a run like that and just a fully seeded one (in terms of the gameplay itself).

[vernal glen]

depends on what tool we use

if we have a tool that gets us the best possible seed easily

then diff would be huge

[placid marten]

yeah. The issue is definetly it being hard to check
Id also argue that anyone who has done a high rng level (such as r1a1) would not like doing it without logs. The chances are already low even when you reset 500 times to get a single possible attempt for this.

Sry, to say it better
Point is. Rng even with logs is still very rng heavy

[placid marten]

yeah agree.
ID levels just push it a bit further in how it looks to others

[placid marten]

yeah mostly. In a perfect world seeded would definetly be a thing. But due to size issues and complexity it probably wont be for the time being unless heavily demanded

[vernal glen]

but this is another part that will make seeding more complicated

huge advantage if any of u can actually make something to get a good seed quickly

[upbeat tusk]

and also, you would just restart anyway when seeing bad seed run

[placid marten]

Omg wesley i just realised that you are called realsharkgirl lol. I thought „why is that person typing but never sending anything“

[vernal glen]

im not sure if u guys realise how huge time diff would be for some levels if ur playing best possible seed out of the 2.14b options

[green fox]

game play from seeded/logged runs are just so drastically different from runs dealing with variation it really should be 2 different categories

[placid marten]

logs are mostly there to safe time.
They are very much different from seeded runs. But also obviously different from full rng. Issue is just that optimized full rng (no checking) ends up the same way.

I ran r6a1 700 times and when i posted a run people asked me if i knew that the key spawned there. Back then it was a no. But it ended up the same way

[vernal glen]

the logged runs still have variation but yeh its a bunch less

[placid marten]

triple id best locker spawn r1b1 door for 4 zones. Best fastest split and enemy placement

[vernal glen]

u can have a poll for it if u care enough

[placid marten]

seeded, logged and no check runs are all similarly different imo

[upbeat tusk]

knowing a seed vs seeded run look similar, it's just that, one of it (seeded run) have control over the spawn

[native crest]

I don't think there is enough demand or interest in seeding for a seeded category.

However, I do think the argument can be made that checking game files also provides a fairly significant transformation in how runs play out (in particular for ID levels). (Obviously not as far as full seeded, but still a significant difference.) And that there is currently no category that caters to runs that do not allow checking game files.

Furthermore, checking game files also provides a fairly large barrier to entry (this was referenced as an argument against seeding). I know you guys have spent hours and hours making the maps and such.

[vernal glen]

run with logs for most levels do be pretty similar to just a hope for best spawns run

the diff is the resets

instead of reset 5m into the level

u reset instantly

[versed echo]

There is no barrier to mapping and checking logs.

Eva has a tutorial on it.

Ask anyone and they'll gladly hand out maps as well.

It provides more players and more competition.

The more, the merrier.

[upbeat tusk]

you can't just tell people to "forget about everything you know about this map before you run" either

a speedrunner will learn the map from inside out anyway

[placid marten]

Making the maps is hard

reading them isnt

[vernal glen]

Furthermore, checking game files also provides a fairly large barrier to entry (this was referenced as an argument against seeding). I know you guys have spent hours and hours making the maps and such.
i think theres a group of ppl willing to make their efforts very public

ranging from maps + tools to read the logs

[placid marten]

The only thing i definetly agree on for it looking off are any levels involving stuff like ids, pds etc

Otherwise its (as wesley said) the same as hoping for god spawns

[native crest]

I agree, I made this point earlier. Hoping for god spawns and knowing the seed are fairly similar for many levels, and just save time resetting.

The question is, is it different enough (particularly on ID levels) to warrant separate categories.

[placid marten]

Also yeah. The only reason all the info isnt on the official speedrun discord yet is because it isnt finished yet.

I actually was planning to upload my guide to the speedrun.com guide section earlier. Before someone called me a cheater and a pedo :^)

[vernal glen]

their chance of getting a change to the rules would surely be higher if they could be here now talking like normal people

[green fox]

we did talk we dont have infinite time to discuss this

[versed echo]

Ok peter

[placid marten]

[green fox]

some people spend their day doing other things sometimes

[vernal glen]

i dont have any proper position in speedrun discord but u can host a poll in the discord if u think it'll turn out well

[placid marten]

Ok Peter

[placid marten]

Yeah ID levels are probably the real question mark.
The issue is that gtfo categories are already heavily overloaded and it wont get easier unless we somehow get expanded categories which we could use for stuff like that.

[native crest]

I agree. I think the only reasonable way to do it would be to combine it with any% restricted. So any% restricted has all of its rules and disallows checking game files.

[placid marten]

Its a hard subject

since we cant check it especially

[native crest]

I don't know if this would be a big problem retroactively. No idea if any of the any% restricted runs have utilized this. afaik any% restricted is a fairly small category anyway.

[placid marten]

Most run category

[native crest]

Really? I thought any% was

Well I'll be damned

[versed echo]

Yea, you'd be surprised that lawless isn't the most run

[placid marten]

since any% includes black hops which isnt something people commonly use

[versed echo]

Any% restricted is just more awarding

In my opinion, of course.

[native crest]

That makes things a much bigger problem than I thought then. It really would need its own stricter category, and I don't know if there is the demand for that. 4 categories is getting bonkers.

[placid marten]

since the split we only rly had 2 runs in any% that werent there by mistake

People just dont use blackhops enough. And if it was merged then anyone who doesnt want to reset 1000 times over and blackhop wouldnt have a category

[placid marten]

yeah 3 is already stretching it. I was unironically thinking of asking whether we make a poll about it at some point

But i wanted more people to be active at that point

[placid marten]

But yeah regarding checking logs.

The entry is unironically super easy. Most of it comes down to having the infos available to check on, which we plan to do

[native crest]

Are black hops just bunny hops? I'm not familiar enough with the term to know how big of a change it is to categories.

[placid marten]

Probably better to let someone like wesley explain

[vernal glen]

you dont lose speed during airtime and if u chain it well the game acts as if you constantly have airtime

so the slowdown from stamina wont take effect as long as you keep the chain going

it can also be used on carry items to keep the speed you'd have without the item

[native crest]

Ah, thankye for the explanation

[placid marten]

Yup. Significantly harder to pull off than bunny hops back in r5 and such. The issue comes when a chain breaks means time loss. So it would warp any run heavily if it became widely used

(That was at least my opinion)

[vernal glen]

if u fuck up the chain, you're likely at low stamina because you've been jumping a lot so then you get the huge slowdown yeh

we had a conversation for that shit too in the server

cuz macro vs normal

[native crest]

Will definitely be great when it's all released, perhaps it was just a bit of poor timing that this came up while checking game files still seems like a bit of a mysterious black box to some.

[vernal glen]

vs normal but with hardware that makes it easier

[placid marten]

Yep and i still feel bad about it.
But i also think that that actually led to something. Even if only showing that people didnt want to run it that much

[placid marten]

oh yeah
Also … in the way certain people „communicated“ lol

we currently have almost everything in r1 finished

[vernal glen]

i personally only wanna do it for levels where it makes big diff

levels with big straights and carry items

[versed echo]

For the time being, just watch this as an intro: https://youtu.be/rMcJ28RYxQY

[placid marten]

r2 is at 6,5/10
R7 is at 6/10

[versed echo]

Great video by Eva by the way, big shoutout.

[native crest]

Is anyone other than you running with black hops though? If you don't care about the speedrun.com stuff then it's not like there needs to be a category for it.

[placid marten]

its low quality made. But gets the point across

Id ask scaler to help me, but hes currently busy

[vernal glen]

there was

but they kinda stop

as a wise man once say "some people spend their day doing other things sometimes"

xdd

[native crest]

I have! But thankye, was more just trying to be sympathetic to those who haven't seen it or aren't familiar with it.

[placid marten]

Oh no. The category was because i didnt wanna run it. (Sameish reason as not wanting to run with logs but more on gameplay than infos)

an example is r7a1

without black hops wr is 5:34

with its 4:54? (iirc)

and the black hops run had slightly worse rng

thats a massive difference

[vernal glen]

yeh

[native crest]

There's a 4:57 on speedrun.com

[vernal glen]

idk how much u guys ran it

[placid marten]

4:57!! Thats the time

[vernal glen]

but we didnt run that much for it

[versed echo]

Probably because you guys are interdimensional gods

[placid marten]

like 15-18 hours total iirc?

but only 3-4 of those were with logs

which was when we tripled the amount of runs we did per hour

and we still only improved by 6 seconds

[vernal glen]

having spent many hours on this game with and without logs i deff dont wanna do that shit without logs anymore

[placid marten]

yep

especially since its still heavy on adaptation

[native crest]

But it's, R7A1 is the only level (of those currently released) which even has an any% run. So it perhaps seems like any% isn't the most required category. Especially when the only person who seems to have wanted to run it isn't anymore and doesn't want to anymore? (Don't want to put words in your mouth @vernal glen)

[vernal glen]

idk man

[placid marten]

the issue is. Where would we put any%

[vernal glen]

not many ppl run in general from what i can tell

[placid marten]

i can understand not wanting it in lawless

[native crest]

Facts

[vernal glen]

most runs are 1 or 2 teams just with interchanging persons

[placid marten]

hey im doing my best in getting people interested currently and i love running with ya

[vernal glen]

R8 WILL REVIVE THE GAME

[native crest]

But those 5 people really care.

[versed echo]

I've had my dream come true running with Eva, Jish, Bread, and Wesley

Once in my speedrunning life

[placid marten]

But yeah @native crest
where would blackhops go if we make any% either obsolete OR move current restricted% into any% and make restricted a no logs category (which would be insanely hard to check)

[versed echo]

Though I have major skill issue

[vernal glen]

if ppl rly dont want the HOPHOP it just become what seeded is now

[versed echo]

R8 will bring back Fireblade

[native crest]

Do we need a category for a single run? Could just scrap it and ban black hops from all runs.

[versed echo]

🙏

[vernal glen]

u can do it if u want it just dont go on speedrun.com

[placid marten]

that definetly wouldnt make sense

at worst it would go into lawless (its allowed there already)

[native crest]

*From all runs (on speedrun.com)

Oh, well can keep it in lawless then

[placid marten]

wed probably have to do a poll for that

[native crest]

There isn't even a lawless R7A1 run atm that people would get upset over.

[versed echo]

Probably because running it Any% Restricted is faster

No time wasted on bugging door

[placid marten]

lawless r7a1 is just r7a1 but with bioscan speed

[versed echo]

That too.

[placid marten]

boosters for lawless are pretty fun tbh

[native crest]

bioscan speed wipes 90% of that level off KEKW

[placid marten]

makes you see how strong they are

[versed echo]

I've been farming bioscan speed bossters lol

I have at least a solid 20+ boosters or something solely bioscan.

[placid marten]

but yeah
@vernal glen is right. You can always run what you want. Speedrun.com doesnt hold that back

the community for that would have to decide on it tho in the end

[round kite]

Guys. Just so you know, reading logs is cheating, drop in, run to the box you want the key to be, if its not there reset. Anything else is a skill issue

[placid marten]

nah. Wipe your memory. THEN run the level

[versed echo]

Forget your teammates in the process.

[vernal glen]

resetting 5m into the run is just a skill honestly

[green fox]

thats only the perspective of short levels

long levels skill matters much more

[placid marten]

until it becomes optimized

[round kite]

I dont disagree

[placid marten]

and then its reset sim anyway

Its just more appearant on short levels

[round kite]

Speaking of check out my youtube channel where I played E1! (this is not a plug)

[vernal glen]

i'll see u on alt R4E1 peter, i'll find the key with the logs RIPBOZO stay slOW

[placid marten]

was it r4 or r5 with that hilarious zone of 50 boxes and 1 key no term? I cant remember

What was that o.O?

[native crest]

So potential polls to do:

1. Should any% be scrapped and blackhopping only be allowed in any% lawless.

2. Should there be a category that caters to not reading game files.

Both polls should probably be in the speedrunning discord.

I'd love to make the polls but I don't even know which channel they should go in tbh and I gotta head out anyway.

I can't even link to the speedrunning discord hssdddfff

[green fox]

whats ur r4e1 time again wesley?

speedrun?

[versed echo]

In my YouTube video descriptions 😉

[green fox]

on extreme?

[versed echo]

Totally not a plug either

[vernal glen]

the extreme one is bad

[green fox]

OH

ok

[vernal glen]

we did one completion

xddddddd

[green fox]

40:04 is ours

let us know how you do

40:03*

[placid marten]

pff imagine not having sub 40

[vernal glen]

i dont think i know ppl that wanna go back to old rundown for it

[placid kite]

wesley only player to die with 5 use medi in his hands

[vernal glen]

the kiting medi prodigy

[green fox]

nope

no kiting medi

🙂

[round kite]

[placid marten]

Yeah wed probably have to ask a mod for that and get some info flowing aswell. (Regarding how those things work. Their impact and the issues coming with it(regarding checking logs being disallowed being hard to check…)

[vernal glen]

idc how cringe it is bro, kiting medi was part of my brand end R2/start R3

i think its towards end of R3 that i favored holding ammopacks

when i got better at combat shotgun

[ionic halo]

Perms do be like this
Don't worry, suggestions for poll are noted

[ionic geode]

its not that cringe

[tropic cape]

any one know the best time on r1a1

[placid marten]

(player number - time)
4 - 2:34
3 - 3:09
2 - 3:46
1 - 5:55

[little bloom]

gl on key and hsu rng 💀

[placid marten]

https://www.speedrun.com/gtfo?h=ALTRundown_1.0-A1-Any_Restricted-Full_Team&x=wdm7v63d-yn2m0oj8.21dmyj51-9l757xz8.0q5rejr1-yn2m5wg8.81p9wreq

if you wanna check it out specifically @tropic cape
And if you have any questions theres lots of people willing to help

[tropic cape]

all good just wondering about times

[versed echo]

You can always check https://www.speedrun.com/gtfo for official times

[honest glade]

i got a 1 minute time in r1b1 guys

omg

ong guys

[wind cliff]

Omg omg the fabled 12 id locker

[round kite]

we will put you on the leaderboards

you seem like a trustworthy fellow <3

[honest glade]

LETTSSS GOGG FUCK YEAH\

[eternal dust]

🤔

[hushed slate]

Thinking about getting into some runs with the restricted rules. Are there any explanations to what "slide" and "hit door between cracks" mean in the how 2 fast guide?

[native crest]

"Slide" is when you perform a crouch mid-sprint. This triggers a 'sliding' animation. The first part of this animation is not slower than your sprint speed. You can cancel the slide by uncrouching, doing so early in the slide means that the slide never slows you down. But, you don't consume stamina while sliding so you move faster overall. You can also use the slide to perform actions such as shooting or starting a reload without slowing down.

Hitting a door between the cracks allows you to do double damage to doors, breaking them faster. This happens because the melee hit will do damage to the part of the door above and below the crack at the same time.

[wind cliff]

@round kite does hitting doors in cracks work anymore

[native crest]

Even if it doesn't work hitting the door in the cracks is still the fastest :galaxy_brain:

[wind cliff]

True

[placid marten]

I dont think hitting the cracks works anymore?

[placid marten]

The „how to fast“ thing is generally quite old

Theres some new stuff we are using. Commonly called „logs“ with which we can check some rng elements while dropping. This makes resetting overall less of an issue

[hushed slate]

Awesome, I'm assuming there's videos on speedrun.com I can watch for the timing of the slides. Are the logs valid to use in all the categories?

[placid marten]

Logs are valid for all categories yes
(There will be guides and explanations on it soon, its a somewhat new thing)

Yeah theres tons of videos to watch with someone sliding

[hushed slate]

Awesome, guess I'm waiting until then!

[vernal glen]

500ms 150ms

[cerulean vector]

Was looking at r1a1 runs and saw that the doors were left open during security scans. Does this make the scans easier/faster?

[misty relic]

can be good if you are using turrets to kill the enemies as they arrive

If they break through a door they will run past the turret all at once and it won't have had time to shoot at them

And in speedrunning thats often a quicker setup than using mines and or cfoam

[cerulean vector]

So is it incorrect to assume that if the door is closed, the turret can both shoot them while they arrive and while they're breaking the door?

[still latch]

sentry is best when enemies aren't stacked up, closing the door makes the enemies move to the door faster and stack up

the sentry can shoot enemies as long as its placed outside, but they will stack up and break the door faster then the sentry can shoot em up

[wind cliff]

for the r1a1 run we open a door for later use

the class 4 can be perma c foamed no time lost

[placid marten]

tbh, it might cost you time due to focus issues. and 4 sentries do the same thing. But its a choice thing in the end since neither rly changes stuff too much
(especially considering the awful rng)

[placid marten]

breaking first big door is simply faster than opening
2nd door was being left open due to what people said regarding sentries

[crude gale]

no, hitting the middle of the door doesn't work and hasn't since R6

sad times

[wind cliff]

Very sad tbh why did they take this from us

[terse spire]

Angle mines to blow up the door

Easy fix

[wind cliff]

It isn’t as cool

[terse spire]

It has an explosion instantly cooler

[crude gale]

in terms of speedrunning it's not super fast

Agreed that it looks cooler though

[placid marten]

luckily you dont have to angle them anymore

so we can do cool explosions on all doors

[vernal glen]

its faster if you're alone and there's a big door with a hack lock

[wind cliff]

Sweet time to route around that

[eternal dust]

🙂

[tiny dirge]

how do you run into scouts and hit them? i always hit a tentacle

[delicate flare]

u cant hit tentacles, u hit a part of the body that isnt the head
if u mean like touchin the tentacles n awakenin the scout, theres a period of about one second or so where u cant touch em and it wont alert

[tiny dirge]

yeah i get that, do you need to jump?

[delicate flare]

uh yes
if u analyze scouts they are a bit more tall than a shooter, so if u are with a bat or a knife, or just, any weapon generally its better to jump n hit it
with a hammer and spear it isnt like fully necessary but ive seen people do it so i think its easier

[mellow loom]

yup

[delicate flare]

i would say if u wanna practice first walk to em then jump n kill em, then when u have that kinda mastered u try runnin n stuff

[mellow loom]

jump make scout killing alot easier

less chance to miss

[tiny dirge]

oh thanks ❤️

[delicate flare]

good luck on ur quest

[mellow loom]

unless if u are higher than scout

[delicate flare]

dominance

[tiny dirge]

EMBRACE THE POWER OF THE SUN!!!!!

[mellow loom]

u are the dominece and scout are u slave

remember that

u serve no one

[tiny dirge]

BLIND THEE WENCH!!!

[mellow loom]

they have to serve u

or be killed

praise the sun

[tiny dirge]

I AM DEATH

or chuck norris

take your pick

[delicate flare]

both

[subtle quartz]

I want to mention that if a scout gets a light shined on them, the tentacles reach out further

[median quarry]

🤨

[hardy snow]

Uses flash bang on sleepers.
Has no effect because they’re both deaf and blind.

Proceeds to be beaten to death by the no longer sleeping sleepers and not be able to fight back because you have just been flash banged.

[novel oyster]

If you shine a light on the tentacles while they are extended then each tentacle grows a new Scout.

[round kite]

just wait till r8 when the babies can spawn more babies and those babies spawn babies etc.

[wind cliff]

Self replicating babies are a good idea

stop bullying my creativity

[eternal dust]

That whould be amazing 😵‍💫

[mellow loom]

how can baby spawn more baby

they are 1 minute old

they dont have time to grow a sack like their mom

[eternal dust]

How can you be sure?

[mellow loom]

biology mate

after 1 year working in the complex, thats what i have learn about the creature

[rare spindle]

hey guys, I've seen a large drop-off in solo speedruns since I last played around R4-- are solo play-throughs of most levels still possible with the new mechanics? thanks.

(e.g. I know I need to up my game, but will upping my game even allow me to complete the complex levels of GTFO available these days?-- or just R1/R2)

[delicate flare]

theres always people doin solo runs
on levels like r7e1 needs tricks tho n stuff like that, and that prob happened with E1 levels back in R4
but for the majority i do think they are possible solo

[vernal glen]

solo speedruns is mostly on short levels

R7 starting B tier they all get very long

[mellow loom]

does anyone know what is the world record for r2a

[vernal glen]

4:38 with 4ppl?

[upbeat tusk]

or the player just quit because they played enough

[placid marten]

player numbers are going up tho

[upbeat tusk]

a GTFO boomer take if it's "stamina = bad"

[placid marten]

Higher averages than at any point after major content releases

yes it isnt at the 2k+ mark

but that only happened on stuff like r6 (full release) and r7 (free weekend)

litteraly as many players rn as when r4 was new

[upbeat tusk]

imagine telling new player to start soloing and then after that, speedrun the game while having 10+ hours
If they don't do that, the game is anti-fun

[placid marten]

tho just to explain, im not saying players arent quitting
But the generalized „game unfun, player quit“ is just not true in context

its just that players quit for unfun, for having played enough and new players come in, some stay some dont

[placid marten]

I know you already got quite a lot of answers but i just wanted to chime in

Solo is definetly still possible, later levels as before do rarely require actual glitch abusing.
As seen with hinoki and t-nenpi its still doable for most levels tho.

Regarding solo speedruns, those always felt a bit underrepresented. Especially since most of the time the actual solo speedruns stop at B tier for many

I dont know whether i would agree, personally i feel like stamina didnt change too much for speed gameplay.
But i can see where you are coming from since it definetly changed the fluidity of movement.

[upbeat tusk]

why isn't the part where you die "because you held W for 7 seconds" isn't the same as "Oh, I died because I had poor movement"

it's basically like you learn the game mechanic and then ignore it, and when you die = it's the game fault

[covert cypress]

stamina kinda cringe

always funny when an enemy gets stuck and ur slowed down cause of it

it doesn’t really change much but it still feels awful compared to pre r6

[upbeat tusk]

WHEN you get it, not all the time. Solo run always lead to giant kiting of some sort so it isn't matter

[covert cypress]

me when I have to giant kite an a tier solo

[covert cypress]

also that doesn’t change the fact I think stamina blows lol

yes you can still kite enemies etc etc but melee is nowhere near as fun

not that it really matters cause guns are so strong u simply just shoot everything anyway, which yea is still fun for me but it’s not as fun as the mix of melee/shooting that made me love the game

[upbeat tusk]

you don't see it as fun because you no go monkey op anymore

[covert cypress]

I still enjoy the game

I’m just saying stamina blows

[upbeat tusk]

stamina literally did nothing to the game

[covert cypress]

Aight have fun meleeing a wave with hammer then I guess

[mellow loom]

u have knife for a reason

and guns to

[upbeat tusk]

i can just shoot the wave?

[covert cypress]

you said it changed nothing tho?

[mellow loom]

so why do u hate statima

[covert cypress]

so surely you can still hammer wave

[upbeat tusk]

also, you can circle kite hammer wave back then, and it was extremely boring

[mellow loom]

yea

to be honest

running all the time make kitting boring

[covert cypress]

I don’t think anyone here is arguing that circle kiting is good

[mellow loom]

the fact that u have to manage statima while kitting while using turn to block giant attack is better

[upbeat tusk]

and the game is balance for a team play not "running hammer in circle = win"

[covert cypress]

I’m simply just saying melee was a lot more fun back then because I didn’t have to worry about stamina, especially when using something that isn’t knife

[upbeat tusk]

running in small circle is boring, running in BIG circle is more fun

you basically said, "the game was more fun if it gave me infinite ammo, i don't have to worry about ammo"

[covert cypress]

???

yea man I’m just gonna hammer everything

definitely what I said

[candid jackal]

...

old versions felt better/more fun/more fulfilling because the movement was more dynamic

and the missions are nastier too

[placid marten]

R4/R5*

and yes those had by far the coolest and best missions

[candid jackal]

Yep

[covert cypress]

I mean there’s still some cool missions in the current game

[placid marten]

yea

[covert cypress]

but yea r4/r5 was peak gtfo imo

[placid marten]

im still sad r4 mines are doodoo compared to r5

[covert cypress]

yup

It’s tragic

[placid marten]

gtfo has improved in some aspects, regressed in some

[covert cypress]

yea

[placid marten]

the atsmophere for example is still good, but so much worse

[covert cypress]

that’s what I’ve been saying

I also just don’t understand why stamina exists cause it does literally nothing for kiting

It’s supposed to be an anti kiting measure LOL

[placid marten]

it makes kiting way harder

a good player will still kite if they want to

but a new guy will just die

before a new guy ran in circles no pause

[covert cypress]

true true

[placid marten]

i think we can be kinda lucky that its a pulse system and not a litteral stamina bar

tho i said it before
I can understand people disliking it

[still latch]

I'd say it's more of an anti circling kiting/melee mechanic, I guess there intention was more to make shooting more necessary, because as we all see, we can still kite for days if the tiles are right

[covert cypress]

yeah

I mean I never cared for circle kiting much anyway I just liked being able to clean up a wave with melee after finishing an alarm

but I guess wanting to melee means I like infinite ammo, rip team

[covert cypress]

Or even just meleeing an error wave

[placid marten]

you can still melee error waves tbf

[covert cypress]

Shooting is fun but if I wanted to mindlessly shoot gun I would play a different game u know

[still latch]

you can still melee an error wave

[placid marten]

but alarm clean up can be rough

[covert cypress]

yeye

alarm clean up isn’t as fun

[placid marten]

i think its most appearant when fighting like 2+ hybrids