gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

well, there are 9 cubes

[south lake]

Then subdesignators wouldn't really matter

[eternal talon]

and we know that the M. W. P. needs 3

to teleport

it would make sense it is 3 sets

of cubes

[south lake]

You don't need

To talk like this

But yes, I know that

I wonder if the number is significant.

Three cubes, maybe correlating to a dimensional X, Y, and Z axis?

[eternal talon]

i was moreso thinking the location, the frequency, and the world line

[south lake]

Which would, in effect, be the same thing

I suppose we should find a better term for when we're talking multiversal positioning as opposed to three-dimensional positioning.

[eternal talon]

well to be fair it is still 3 dimensional

in terms of location

its just adding on frequency to swap between and the world line or timeline

[south lake]

That's irrelevant.

We're talking multiversal coordinates, not three-dimensional coordinates in this case.

[eternal talon]

how so?

[south lake]

Just using "dimensional" to refer to both is going to cause confusion, like it literally just did.

[eternal talon]

its not mutliversal per-se. the location is the same in both world lines, otherwise they wouldnt be able to teleport

idk

[south lake]

🤦‍♂️

Forget it.

[eternal talon]

yep, there is only one MWP

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=9838b236770a4e7996ca563e4927b5fd

C1: Navigation log 4

@past matrix

i found it

1:18-1:44
it is described in the singular when she is talking about the allens and the mwp

we also have dates for when EF01 takes place, and it is the very tail end of the timeline, so the possibility they found more after the fact is slim

[past matrix]

so then it got retconned

[finite vine]

or they just made another? or found another.

[finite vine]

what’s the date? like 2054?

[eternal talon]

June of 2055

Second to last year in the timeline, period

[eternal talon]

I doubt they'd retcon something like this so soon

They were writing r6.5 and r7 at the same time, remember

[past matrix]

C1 wasnt r6.5

[eternal talon]

I know

But it's the same rundown, a part of the same lore

They wouldn't retcon something major like this within only a couple months

That's insane to me

[past matrix]

well there's only two options:
a. they found another one
b. they retconned it

[eternal talon]

I go with option c

They didn't find another and they didn't retcon it

[past matrix]

but they found another

[eternal talon]

For some reason the warden must have stored it there in c2

It had to have ended up there somehow

It literally can't be a new one

[past matrix]

that's a major leap in logic

they found another one, its that simple

[eternal talon]

They did not find another

That is the bigger leap

Fuck, what they did find they had to modify to use at all

I don't know how the mwp got to where it was in c2

[solar nova]

Real answer is that they can't put the MWP on the drop for an optional objective so they have to put it in the layer itself.

[eternal talon]

But I refuse to belive they'd retcon a major plot point only a couple months in,

Even having more than one is a retcon

[solar nova]

Same for why there's so many portal rooms.

[eternal talon]

Since it's only ever mentioned in the singular

[solar nova]

It's not realistic to recreate every level completely for every time the MWP gets plugged in, so they just have a portal room/warp gate in the levels where teleportation needs to happen.

[eternal talon]

I'd far sooner belive this

As more likely and reasonable

On that topic of objective spawns,

Why the fuck does d2 have 3 cells?

You only need 1

[solar nova]

2 are static, 1 is RNG

[eternal talon]

But what for

[solar nova]

It's a way of encouraging you to go to one side without outright forcing you.

[eternal talon]

I always went the mother side

[solar nova]

You can go the side you want, but it might only have 1 cell instead of 2 to increase the odds you run into it.

[eternal talon]

Ah

[past matrix]

why mother side LOL

tank side is less stressful and can have amazing rng

[eternal talon]

I also go the charger side in the previous room

I like chaos

Left then left

[solar nova]

My group felt the opposite.

[eternal talon]

Agree

I've found the cell literally right next to the door on mother side before

In and out, 15 seconds

[past matrix]

skill issue im afraid

[eternal talon]

How is finding the "stressful side" easier a skill issue?

[past matrix]

because

[eternal talon]

That's pog

[past matrix]

i said so

[fallen hazel]

Never gone to mother side, always go for daddies. Or just open both door and enjoy the fest afterward. Please revert the D2 changes

[burnt wren]

Yeah, mothers were cringe.

[finite vine]

well we still don’t really know when the complex was abandoned. people could of been working in the complex since 2060.

[subtle verge]

Question: is the 'no further action is needed' email typo'd or did Ander's really send himself the BIOCOM pitch? Lmao.

It's sent to Anders Johanson, signed by Anders Johanson, except he sent a reply email to Piros, afterward.

[harsh saffron]

It does look like that in game but Ray already asked Calle about it, because it seems kinda strange

[subtle verge]

That's weird.

[wispy mesa]

Hey folks, new to the game. Anyone have a good general recommendation on how to catch up on the lore?

[burnt wren]

There are some pins in this very chat, there are also videos by Infinite Duck that tldr the time line.

[wispy mesa]

Perfect thanks!

[eternal talon]

The "for dummies" doc

@dull crest why is the WMP in a random storage zone in c2? Is the more than one? The logs say there is only one and warden thinks it's a retcon, but there is no way you'd retcon something like this only a couple months after adding it, right?

[eternal talon]

I refuse to believe that your lead story writers would do something that completely stupid

If you can retcon shit you just released a couple months ago, then why the fuck even care about the story at all?

If it can change on a whim

[harsh saffron]

Did I miss something? Why would think there are multiple MWPs?

[eternal talon]

^ @harsh saffron

Warden and sky are insistent that there are more than one despite logs telling us explicitly that there is only one

And that post-ef01 stokes log 4 was "retconned"

Because even having more than one would be a retcon, since it is ONLY referred to in the singular in lore

I can't explain why the mwp is in storage in c2

But it is fundamentally impossible for it to be another one

[eternal talon]

^ this log explicitly says so, referring it to as "the" mwp recovered from the fossil

Not "a", "THE"

And this log is from 2055

There are only two logs after that in the timeline at all

And one of those is warden computer jargon in the 2060s

[harsh saffron]

Ok, I obviously didn't read the entire discussion rn but Warden just said he thinks it would make sense if the number of MWPs and Jump gates is the same. Thats it.

[eternal talon]

No

He lays an ultimatum

It is either a or b

And it cannot be either

[harsh saffron]

?

[eternal talon]

^

[harsh saffron]

Yeah I read that.

[eternal talon]

6.5 and 7 were made at the same time

thats like retconning something only a week after writing it in r6

if that is the standard, then i cant be a part of gtfo lore

because everything would then be worthless

it could all be "just another retcon"

and i fundamentally cant accept that

any research done could be worthless with a single sentence given later on

[harsh saffron]

Ok, maybe I'm stupid but Wardens Option A is entirely based on his own theory about multiple jump gates making no sense if there's only 1 MWP. Which is still an option tho ^^

so its A, B or Option C: There is just 1 ^^

[eternal talon]

edeon made a great point regarding this as an explanation

^

which would fit.

[eternal talon]

it is option c. we have lore in logs confirming this as fact.

and a retcon? that's not even considerable

[harsh saffron]

then why are you worried about that?

[eternal talon]

a retcon would invalidate both options a and b, since the log says there is only one

[eternal talon]

because both of these people have great influence here, and it feels to me like it is as though they are treating the lore as easily replaceable by retcon

10cc put so much effort into these last logs in r7 that it made my brain hurt

and i still cant fully understand it

i refuse to believe they (10cc) would do something like that

to squander their effort

gtfo lore IS 90% of my free-time

i am in here every single day for most of the day

it'd kill my entire hobby

[harsh saffron]

I mean, that's the equivalent of what you call the Schaeffer discrepancy, isn't it? You regularly say that there is no possible explanation so it must be a plot hole; even though there are other explanations. That's kinda how I see this. There's nothing wrong with ppl coming up with theories that make it seem like the story doesn't make sense, we are just discussing here.

[eternal talon]

what is an explanation to the Schaeffer discrepancy?

and a plot hole is different from someone intentionally making old lore worthless with retconning

[harsh saffron]

It wasn't Wardens intention to make it worthless

[eternal talon]

no, i get that

but i'm saying if that was true, and that is what the devs did, then it would make it worthless

[harsh saffron]

I guess

[harsh saffron]

I explained some of them to you a few times but you don't think they would work, so I don't really see the point in explaining them again. We just have a different opinion there, which is fine.

[eternal talon]

(no, i genuinely dont remember)

[harsh saffron]

Stuff like Warden only having access to parts of KDS deep but not every HSU etc

Or Warden having access to KDS deep but just sending us down for the one specific "Influx Protocol".

I'm gonna head out to eat for now

[dull crest]

That is a Simon question, no idea

[dense saffron]

obviously it teleported in due to the unstable nature of the complex after we left it on r6d1 :^)

how else do we get it back for r6d1 after we also leave it behind in r6b1, it clearly re-locates somehow or gets collected by a different team

the more likely scenario is that the level designer wanted to use a jump gate to have an EF section of the level and didn't give it a lore friendliness pass

[burnt wren]

That's an oof

[eternal talon]

Who do I @

Because last time I asked Simon a lore question during your stream he didn't answer

[celest pagoda]

Been gone to avoid spoilers; whats new with the lore barring any E1 spoilers?

[burnt wren]

NATO's gone. Not on paper, but effectively.

Virus / parasite relationship confirmed. Through Dauda in fact, before his brainwashing.

Virus seems to be a bio weapon. Parasite is an unfortunate accomplice.

Dr Big Brain wanted to attempt to produce various sounds to see which one annoys sleepers the most. We don't know how it went. Yet.

America lost ~25% of its population between years 2050-2053

[keen mantle]

Potential distraction tool?

[celest pagoda]

Alright. Seems like I already got most of that from reading the logs in game so good to know I'm relatively up to date.

[burnt wren]

BIOCOM is ethernally stuck on trying to remove WRDN, but can't. He keeps running same security executable and WRDN keeps pulling the plug on it.

[celest pagoda]

Didn't catch that one; thanks

[burnt wren]

Frosty found it.

It's on the screen of D2 in the mainframe room.

Not on terminal screen. Just a screen.

[celest pagoda]

Wasn't that screen showing an older log from the SMC website?

With the WRDN override

[burnt wren]

I don't know. We didn't had confirmation that BIOCOM still has agency until this one.

Anything else... Oh right, the time shenanigans!

[celest pagoda]

Oh yea, the

[burnt wren]

The time on planetside is 80 slower.

[celest pagoda]

MWP wild stuff that Stokes spoke of

[eternal talon]

Not it's different. Same executable though

[eternal talon]

85:1

[burnt wren]

Which explains why Duran's expedition was doomed and how they had time to build all those shelters and observation posts.

[celest pagoda]

Went back to check, my bad

[eternal talon]

It is a whole huge fucking mess of relativity, timelines,

And a ton of other stuff

[celest pagoda]

Maybe I need to go back to C3 and re-read them logs, but im getting that time acts differently while at Destination/The Planet(?)

[burnt wren]

It's 85 times slower there

[celest pagoda]

Ah, ok

[finite vine]

not insistent, just saying it is possible for there to be two. insight could of fabricated their own using the black crystals from destination using the first one they found as a blueprint.

[burnt wren]

Just that for now

We actually had a hint at that in R6

[celest pagoda]

OH WAIT

[eternal talon]

Read this string of messages

[celest pagoda]

THATS WHY BISHOP CAME BACK SO QUICK

[eternal talon]

I'm not at home rn and can't post in more detail

[celest pagoda]

I see

[burnt wren]

That too.

[eternal talon]

He was on destination for 2 years

[celest pagoda]

Relative to our time, I mean

[eternal talon]

Yes

No

No

[burnt wren]

But also Duran, in his very first log, describes a plant pot they sent 3 days prior. The plants were in prime condition and soil was "saturated", but he found the plants dead and soil completely dry.

[eternal talon]

He felt like he was there for 2 years

He was only gone for 2 weeks our time

[burnt wren]

He assumed something in the air fucked the plants up, but what actually happened - the plants spend months there and just withered away.

[eternal talon]

The way time works between these worlds is fundamentally different

I posted a graph

Here

It is extremely complicated

We talked for hours about it yesterday, me and Coolbeanz w. Others

Read between this

And this

[burnt wren]

I doubt game writers implied anything, they probably thought time mechanics are cool and fun and now we're in this mess.

What did I say? Don't fucking touch time.

[eternal talon]

Coolbeanz was able to understand it

[burnt wren]

But they went and did it.

[eternal talon]

And gracefully passed us down his wisdom

[burnt wren]

Inb4 everything is ruined forever, eventually.

[eternal talon]

With his 3 yr degree

[celest pagoda]

I'm starting to understand, thanks for the update guys

I'll def be joining back in the convos

[eternal talon]

They actually explained A LOT

About the specifics on how "quantum frequency" works

In two of the r7 logs

[celest pagoda]

Theres one really explicit one in C3 after the first blood door, if someone has an image of it

[eternal talon]

They are on the notion, I'm on my phone rn and can't link

[celest pagoda]

Already? damn yall are quick

[eternal talon]

We got all of r7 lore within a week

Me and @past matrix were racing for the logs

He beat me to most of them but me and Coolbeanz got through e-tier first

[eternal talon]

It's not just time even, artek. It's infinite variations of the universe with fundamental differences in the laws of how everything works

Destination's world lines key difference just happens to be time

[burnt wren]

Oof. Thats just worse.

[eternal talon]

You could (and with infinity do) have world lines where gravity doesn't exist even

[burnt wren]

I don't trust writers with this shit anymore.

[eternal talon]

As long as the location exists in two different world lines, the MWP can transport us between them

That is the key

[finite vine]

thats interesting. how so?

[eternal talon]

It needs a relative coordinate in our dimension to lock on to

I don't have the log since on mobile

[celest pagoda]

ere ill send it

[eternal talon]

Also the ef01 data burst that sent us our destinations' coordinates

I explained it best yesterday

If we flew to destinations coordinates normally, we would find a completely different planet

And if we used the mwp to go to destination then flew to earth, the earth would be completely different

The common place between our world lines is destination

[burnt wren]

So it's simultaneously a time jump and a universe jump

That's super cursed

[eternal talon]

(If earth exists in destination's world line)

[celest pagoda]

Log G732-049
Date: June 05th 2055
Employee: Dr Rebecca Stokes B162
Type: Journal entry

//HearSay auto-transcript begins//

STOKES
Hearsay on.
[2.3 second silence]
STOKES
Okay, so, I just checked the quantum signature from E-F-Zero-One. Now we only got a 5 millisecond data burst, but it gave us something to work with at least. The frequency rate of the tether during those 5 milliseconds is different to the frequency rate of the tether in the moments before we initiated the jump.
[3.1 second silence]
STOKES
The frequency is different. The frequency is different!
[1.7 second silence]
STOKES
I mean, assuming this data is correct - and even if our equipment were damaged in some way it wouldn't give us false readings, it would give us nothing - but assuming it is correct that means that wherever Dr Durant and his team ended up, their clocks would be running faster.
[2.6 second silence]
STOKES
It's not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant's time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant's quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
STOKES
I want to scream but I don't have the energy. There are places that pass through time at a different rate. This is multi-dimensional physics. This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it's another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or
[6.7 second silence]
STOKES
This is too big for me. I don't know who to talk to. If I go to Hammerstein he'll take over and want the credit. I don't care if he gets it but he'll slow the process down trying to curate it to his gain. If I tell Howie then they'll see my email and everyone will know and I'll lose control. I mean they are listening to everything so
[2.8 second silence]
STOKES
Hearsay off.

//audio file not found

Here it is, Couldnt find my old screenshot

[eternal talon]

Physical location must exist in both and you are both going to that place in your universe and switching world line

[finite vine]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=6bf8c73545114da2a4f77d33e5af99a5

this one too^

[eternal talon]

The matter wave projecter is changing the way the waves that hold our matter together vibrate to project us to this new world line

[finite vine]

"This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it's another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or"

[eternal talon]

Think how an opera singer can shatter glass with frequency

It's like that

Our fundamental matter is being warped to interact with and perceive this new world line

[finite vine]

seems like stokes does not know if its another universe or multiple versions of this one

[eternal talon]

It is indeed, mega fucking complicated

These allens were CRACKED with their technology

Absolutely insane

[eternal talon]

It's not technically a time jump

Destinations world line just moves significantly faster than ours

TIME, fundamentally works different there

The basic law of reality

It is 85 seconds to 1.

[burnt wren]

So it's like switching tracks with different speeds

[eternal talon]

That is exactly what beanz said yesterday

The same analogy even, with trains

[finite vine]

Yea its just that time moves faster there

[burnt wren]

Hm. Alright, this can be worked with.... Still, there was no need. Also now I'm worried that the aliens' big brain plan here was.

[finite vine]

in that "dimension"

[eternal talon]

Who knows what other fucky shit is like in that world line

[burnt wren]

Did they got so desperate they changed realities trying to escape nam-v?

[eternal talon]

Like what other differences

[eternal talon]

Maybe

[finite vine]

its not really time travel though, its just that the MWP transports you to a different "dimension" that experiences time differently.

[eternal talon]

The Hammerstein log describes finding specimens from different planets/universes

[eternal talon]

Ye

In a different world line, it wouldn't be different time-wise at all, even

[finite vine]

Its possible that the aliens accidentally found NAM-V and those mutated creatures while exploring other dimensions

[eternal talon]

That is specific to destination's world line

[burnt wren]

That's exactly the thought I had right now.

[eternal talon]

The dauda log in e1 says it was designed, they, or a version of them seems to have made it

[burnt wren]

Aliens catching nam-v by accident while hoping dimensions for their own reasons.

[finite vine]

yea but that's really the only evidence we have of NAM-V being designed. Anyway, how would Dauda know it was designed by the aliens in the first place? Did he talk to them?

[eternal talon]

No, that is unlikely

[finite vine]

who knows what kind of viruses can occur naturally in other dimensions with different laws of physics and nature

[eternal talon]

But we don't know what he was studying to come to that conclusion

So that is indeed speculative

[finite vine]

yea, especially when NAM-V could of came from a separate dimension with its own set of laws

[eternal talon]

Indeed, it is certainly a massive can of worms. It also explains r6d4.

Different earths and different versions of garganta

[burnt wren]

Didn't devs said its not Canon anyway? Just ignore that one for now.

[eternal talon]

They said to not look into it too much

But it would seem that we now have a reasonable explanation for it

And THANK GOD GTFOLFD doesn't cover post apocalypse stuff, that would be a headache and a half to explain in text to a new person.

[burnt wren]

Yeah, keep that to be the rabit hole thing. Only for the deepest lore enthusiasts.

[eternal talon]

How the fuck did we get here

Why r6 why

Granted allens be cool,

But so much weird stuff

Complete tone change for the story

[finite vine]

maybe the aliens are not aliens at all. they could be humans from another dimension that created the MWP...

[burnt wren]

I hate Big Brain stories. Should've kept it at a funny virus level.

[eternal talon]

But we know where destination is

It isn't earth

It's in the butterfly nebula 3k light years away

[burnt wren]

Sure has oxygen though

So um

[eternal talon]

Since that is our relative coordinate

[eternal talon]

In their universe it does, doesn't necessarily mean destination in ours does

Also we have found planets with oxygen other than earth in deep space

[burnt wren]

But the right amount of it?

[eternal talon]

HABITABLE planets far out in the galexy

[eternal talon]

Yes

[finite vine]

it is in a different dimension. who’s to say humans don’t exist in that dimension as well?

[eternal talon]

On earth, which isn't destination

[burnt wren]

It's a possibility

[finite vine]

that would be insane. imagine if the writers pull that shit on us

[burnt wren]

But it's so borinf

[finite vine]

well the mwp does not have to come from destination.

[burnt wren]

Different universe and a different planet

humans

Why

Don't

Lazy ass writer

Can't come up with cool aliens

[finite vine]

well the humans could be fighting aliens or something like that

[eternal talon]

No but we are teleporting to destination

Which is a place in our universe too

[finite vine]

true, because the data cubes have those coordinates stored in them.

[finite vine]

we don’t know that though.

[eternal talon]

We have coordinates for it in our universe

And stokes said we need a relative coordinate

[finite vine]

just because we have coords for the butterfly nebula does not mean destination is there.

[eternal talon]

In our dimension

[finite vine]

I wonder how bishop survived for 2 years on destination

[eternal talon]

cannibalism

[burnt wren]

Doomguy intensifies

[rocky wraith]

hang on a secooooooooooooond

if bishop spent 2 years exposed to the infection on Destination

how is he alive?

[cyan arrow]

Tonight on hells kitchen we are serving up boiled charger.

[rocky wraith]

data keys containing the quantum frequency superpositions that the matterwave projector hijacks onto sounds neat

[cyan arrow]

I understand each of those words but have no idea what that sentence means 🤔

[burnt wren]

Yeah, big bull on that

[rocky wraith]

odds on he was trapped in the inbetween

or in a place like R6D4

maybe the R6D4 corrupted data keys is what bizzangled him back

but he was stuck in a slightly different frequency garganta until he could be reimposed on the correct time

or found a hsu in that bizzaroni place

idk

oh wait

r6d4 literally proves its multiverse and not same universe @eternal talon

this stinks

[finite vine]

well it could be both

[rocky wraith]

uh oh differing reality plates that intersect

thats gonna be confusazzing

[eternal talon]

multiple versions of the same place, it is as i have been saying.

as long as a location exists in both world lines, the WMP can transport you between them

in r6d4 the level doesn't change, the path is the same. it is the contents that change

we MUST have a destination in our world line, though likely without the allens, parasite, and nam-v.

for us to be able to teleport there

and in the allen world line,

there MUST be a earth, for them to be able to teleport here with the meteor.

[burnt wren]

I think until further notice we should ignore R6D4

[eternal talon]

(i'm home btw)

[burnt wren]

Will simplify things

[eternal talon]

what i am saying has been ignoring d4

this

But what if we look beyond that? What if the waves that meet and create new superpositions are not from the same timeline? Time has always been the division. They cannot meet as they occurred at a different time, but what if that law is only true while dimensionally restricted? If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension.

from the log is what i refer to.

it requires a superposition in our universe to be able to teleport

ie; the coords we got for destination with the radio burst from ef01

and for the allens to do the same, they must have a version of earth somewhere as well.

Matter from different dimensions could get amalgamated or, or enmeshed as it occupies identical space-time for an instance.

identical location

different worldlines.

if mars for example didn't exist in destination's worldine, we could never use the MWP to teleport there, even if we have relative coords on our end.

the MWP looks like it can only teleport when it is also moving through dimensions, not just locations

since it hasn't been seen to be used to get around garganta

(and the only time it has in r6d4, it was different versions of earth)

[finite vine]

Yea stokes said that the MWP needs a superposition consisting of a wave function from our dimension and one from another dimension with different time in order to work.

[rocky wraith]

How would data keys that contain superposition coordinates get corrupted?

[eternal talon]

they probably also have/had local teleportation technology, but that isn't the mwp

given mutliverse and world lines, there could also be living allens still out there too.

[finite vine]

what is a world line

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqlmjr7Zuo

its a real theory, but this is the only video i can find because it is what popularized it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line

[finite vine]

We are not time traveling though. we are just going to different universes/ dimensions where time works differently.

[eternal talon]

yes, but it still applies since it is parallel universes that you are moving between

[finite vine]

But by using the MWP, your "grandfather" does not exist in the same universe/ dimension that you traveled to.

[eternal talon]

"quantum frequency" worldlines are clearly a derivative of these

[eternal talon]

it could or it couldn't, its not reliant on that given grandfather

its the location that doesnt change

it is infinite variations of one physical universe

otherwise the transport between wouldnt be possible because of required matching coordinates

world lines aren't a theory exclusive to time travel

it only is in the context of steins;gate

its essentially another type of multiverse theory

A world line is the unique path that an object has as it travels through both space and time, usually called spacetime. As we learn from special relativity, the faster an object goes, the more time slows down for that object. As you can see in the illustration to the right, the slower object has a quicker passage of time than the very fast object, the one which time passes much more slowly for. When an object reaches the speed of light, it will be zero on the t axis, meaning that it will have made no progress in the time direction. Basically, the world lines show that when the speed of light is reached, time stops for the observer. World lines are very often used in theoretical physics and special relativity, as well as general relativity.

[finite vine]

I don't think the ef01 data burst gave stokes the coords of destination? it gave her the quantum frequency, not the coords

[finite vine]

I also don't think this is true, because if these dimensions truly have different times and laws of physics, the chance that there is going to be an exact location in our dimension that exists in another dimension, is rare.

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith would have to comment on this, I got that from him

[rocky wraith]

mlem

[eternal talon]

It's infinite dimensions. With infinity there is no chance.

[rocky wraith]

cringe

[eternal talon]

It is guaranteed

[eternal talon]

Wdym it's a good visual novel series

The books are on steam

[rocky wraith]

i bet you like the pretty bois in steinz gate >:3

[eternal talon]

No

Kurisu best girl

[rocky wraith]

anyway, multiverse theorem is like both a massive plot paradox thing

and like a deus ex machine

From what they've given us so far I don't think there are an infinite number of dimensions

i hope not at least

[finite vine]

good point.

[eternal talon]

If they all originate from the big bang there mathematically should be

The universe is on an unthinkable scale already irl

[finite vine]

idk. the 2 stokes logs are so full of gibberish it’s hard to tell if we are understanding it correctly or not

[eternal talon]

It's more than 1 log

There are two

[finite vine]

yea ik. i changed it

[eternal talon]

That talk about all this stuff

[alpine scroll]

I'm just starting to get into GTFO and have already been getting really interested with the lore, is there any centralized source where all the lore from the previous rundowns is located where i could read/listen to it?

[eternal talon]

4 places.

1. for pre-apocalypse and absolute beginner lore, the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel.

2)for post-apocalypse lore and rundown summaries, the SOE by rundown 7 villager & Warden in the pins of this channel.

3)for ALL logs in database format, the notion.so in the pins of this channel.

4)for all logs and some exclusive and outside of game, the official Santonian Industries website run by 10cc.

[alpine scroll]

thank you!

[eternal talon]

we are always here to answer any questions you may have after reading the documents!

[teal urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/tweety-chase-sylvester-mr-hyde-looney-tunes-gif-11655754

[solar nova]

The mechanism by which the waves are used to actually do something does seem pretty unclear, although whatever is happening w/ the waves seems to either be:

-Sending out two waves in two dimensions to create a superposition in a third dimension (probably ours)

or

-Following a network of waves and their superpositions through dimensions from one wave to the other until it reaches some final destination (probably in our dimension) it's targeting.

[south lake]

Given the talk of waves and such, might it be worthwhile to refer to them as dimensional "echoes", for the purposes of explaining them?

Easier to say the system enables you to follow an echo to its source, as opposed to a bunch of complicated terms and phrases one might not understand

[finite vine]

they are called matter waves in game though I assume

[eternal talon]

it is. everything is waves that is the fundamental point

the MWP is changing the wave vibrations between each tiny spec that makes up us.

and the these "frequencies" are the only thing that separates the world lines.

[plucky patrol]

give me c-foam gun lore, i think im missing some information about it

[harsh saffron]

The Stalwart G2 C-Foam Launcher is a tool that dispenses a Construction Foam officially called "PolyFoam". PolyFoam was a construction material used by the mining industry to temporarily secure structurally unsound bulkheads.

[lilac island]

Don't get it in contact with skin though, it contains tiny fiberglass shards that will leave a good rash

so I heard

It's all in the manual

[dreamy hornet]

You really want to avoid any skin contact with self-expanding foam, one way or another its gonna be real uncomfortable at best

[south lake]

If it's anything like cement, that shit'll leave chemical burns wherever it touches

A fact I wish more people knew about cement.. The number of people that handle unset cement with bare hands is too damn high!

[burnt wren]

Hmmm. I just found something... Curious.

Bored on the job I was randomly listening logs on youtube

Specifically character background logs

And something irked me right now

In Wood's 2nd log, after being implemented into the program.

The other person says exactly the same things Schauffer says to Hendrikson in C1 loudcoms.

"Do you want to complete the mission?
You need combat. It's what you trained for."

Almost word to word what Schauffer says, I believe.

Not sure if it's some kind of special code they use to probe KSOs if their brainwashing is still there, or... Something deeper.

[eternal talon]

given his fuck up with maddox... he is probably going as "by the book" as possible with henrikson

[burnt wren]

And we are still not sure what caused that...

[eternal talon]

yeah we do

he didn't have the chemical thingy

that is needed to wake up from hsu correctly

thats why he makes us grab it in b1

[burnt wren]

I remember Maddox saying "kill... You..."

[eternal talon]

for when he plans to wake up henrikson

its said somewhere, i dont remember where

[burnt wren]

I meant what exactly happens

What is it that lacking those chemical entails

[eternal talon]

they go insane when not woken correctly

they need the whatever the fuck chemical, i dont remember what it was called

that was in the collection case

[burnt wren]

Maddox was conscious about his desire to kill Chaff

[eternal talon]

insane

[burnt wren]

Wasn't turning into a sleeper or anything

Did he saw some hallucinations?

[eternal talon]

in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill:

[burnt wren]

Irrational rage?

[eternal talon]

yes

schaeffer rushed it and didn't follow procedure

he opened maddox IMMEDIATELY after we got his hsu in a1

literally the very next door

[burnt wren]

Weirdly enough we have no record of this happening before, do we?

No accidents logs or anything

[eternal talon]

no, but we've never seen anyone being opened before

and the only logs we've heard were done directly by people in-the-know

[burnt wren]

Right

Big hmm

[eternal talon]

all the "intro" audio logs for the 4 main characters being turned into KSOs were being done by people in Kovac that specifically do that thing, whoever they were

i dont know if that doctor in all 4 logs was named

[burnt wren]

Nope

And she only interviewed Bishop and Hackett

Woods got his personal... Advisor?

Presumably someone with military background and experience, to speak the common language with him.

And Dauda... Did the Schauffer maneuver as well.

[eternal talon]

yep

dauda was stuck between a very meaty wall and a hard place with a bunch of other people

sleepers breaking down the door,

he entered an HSU and everyone else was killed

[burnt wren]

Didn't hear anyone else though

[eternal talon]

(since you can hear sleepers attacking on the audio log after dauda is already in hsu)

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=e88e8057ffa544ecb9498f162736cc49

[burnt wren]

He sounded alone. Surely someone would try screaming at him or something

[eternal talon]

MBCQ-11W-MDU

you can hear sleepers attacking

its the same sound ques as in-game

[burnt wren]

I can hear that

[eternal talon]

when tonguing

[burnt wren]

I didn't hear other people

[eternal talon]

no

[burnt wren]

Nobody screamed or anything

[eternal talon]

but again, they gotta be eating somebody

otherwise who would they be attacking

[burnt wren]

It appears they attacked the terminal.

[eternal talon]

he is recording to the terminal

the terminal isn't playing anything

[burnt wren]

The screech-like sound at the end sounds like audio hardware getting fucked

Either that or... They attempted to attack the closed HSU as it was leaving.

Those things are fucking sturdy...

[eternal talon]

the hsu closed before the door broke

like 5 flat seconds before

and i do hear screaming

2:18

very last second

you can hear the hsu close btw at 2:06 with them still beating on the door

they break it at 2:11

[burnt wren]

Yeah yeah no need

[eternal talon]

the audio recording just cuts off. it doesn't have the signature "click" if the log would have ended

due to terminal error or whatever

[burnt wren]

I hear that last second screech too but it's weird

Surely someone would be screaming way before that.

[eternal talon]

like even the schaeffer log has a "click" at the end when the terminal finishes

[burnt wren]

Appears to be the terminal audio device getting broken.

[eternal talon]

we might not be hearing the full log

[eternal talon]

i agree, but i dunno

they have to be attacking something is my point

and dauda's already down under.

its not like a blood door because they beat the shit out of those,

they don't lick them

[burnt wren]

My only guess they attacked random things. Terminals? Anything that produced gest or any sort of sound that annoys them?

Something did rallied them up in the first place, so maybe they are extra aggressive.

[eternal talon]

probably dauda, before running into the room

[lilac island]

cant upload codes for overload on b3? says external uplink protocol corrupted?

[eternal talon]

he talks in the log like its urgent

so he was probably being chased

and got cornered

(that and he is yelling 90% of the log)

[burnt wren]

He said sleepers went out of their way to basically start clearing out complex

[eternal talon]

we already knew that,

[burnt wren]

Why? Something had to agitate them to do that.

[eternal talon]

in the schaeffer log when he decides to go to kds deep they were eating out the cantine (he says there must be a hundred of them)

so they were probably looking for food, or anyone/thing to grow

or to prepare to hibernate once more now that they have killed most of the people attacking their nests.

@finite vine @burnt wren we do know how long it takes for nam-v to kill/convert to sleepers w. the parasite

we are fucking blind

//D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/DLockwoodA074.flagged

Dean,

As requested, I have compiled the analysis of the affected subjects.

The subject's physiological changes do seem to be permanent. The ossification of the fibrous cartilage in both the spine and menisci appears to start at
the brain stem and spreads rapidly, possibly due to the greater intercellular space offered. Attempts to slow the spread have so far been unsuccessful.

Affected subjects show signs of cognitive reduction within a few days, which
accompanies the bent or stooped posture. They are able to continue menial
work for several weeks, before succumbing to the pain and physical
disability.

Opiates and derivatives ease the pain of the subjects, and we have been
administering liberally as no other form of palliative care appears to work.

I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral
load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.

Transition from initial diagnosis to cellular collapse takes approximately 5
weeks. We have yet to discover what happens thereafter. I will keep you
posted.

We need more narcotics. Our stocks are running low.

Ron Sullivan//

[south lake]

Wait wait wait

Am I understanding the phrasing here right in that they were fucking experimenting with the parasite?

And purposely getting people infected?

Because if so

Those absolute twats

[burnt wren]

I mean...

When humanity is on the brink of extinction I sort of get it.

Desperate scientists are terrifying creatures.

[south lake]

Do we know if that log is before or after NAM-V (and possibly the parasite) got out of Garganta?

[harsh saffron]

That log should be after February the 13th 2053, because thats when Lockwood asked Ronnie Sullivan to start his analysis and this log is his answer.
NAM-V got out before February.

[burnt wren]

Actually I have to push back in this. Saying those words means nothing for wake up procedure as the person in the log says it waaaay deep into dialogue with Woods. About 1 minute of dialogue in fact. This is not about waking them up...

I think when Schauffer says it in C1, you can hear him smiling as he does so. Either he's just playing around with Hendrikson... Or he's pulling somebody else's memories?... Unlikely, probably just having fun, in his fucked up sense of the word.

Oh shit, oh fuck.

the fucking randomised logs

R6A1 and R6B1

Are those... Are those some kind of hint at the multidimensional bullshit that is slowly being introduced into the lore?

A1 is whatever, but B1 is a backlog recording of an event that already took place - a very specific event that does not has a 2nd occurance, which is Duran's team being sent to their doom.

[finite vine]

wow that’s really good info. how did we miss that. I actually remember reading this log months ago lmao.

[rocky wraith]

Have you not seen any of the formaldehyde tanks???

[rocky wraith]

Using the pMOTHER plasmids probably

[eternal talon]

its playing over the PA, and we are nowhere-near any of her labs since we were in those in b1 and c1 is nothing like a lab tileset so... your guess is as good as mine

[eternal talon]

according to my calculations,

in a 3 year period,

1,099,603.63 per week were infected

(52 weeks in a year, 156.42 in 3 years, 172 million dead divided by 156.42)

in the USA alone

though this isn't taking into account more infected means spreading faster..

yeah, yeah, nvm. just ignore this

[eternal talon]

it's not dated so we don't know an exact time. though given it mentions parasites in it, it must be at minimum, after the allen autopsy in september of 2053

given whatever they were doing in Level27, which we have no way of knowing.

//despite the potential for the life form to be carrying bacteria or viruses for which we have no remedy.//

or maybe even august, if it is infected organisms, rather than nam-v that caused the creation of the exclusion zone.
//**In the second week of August, the mines were designated as an exclusion zone, directly under the control of BIOCOM. Since then there have been dozens of unreported incidents that Kovac Defense Services have simply elected not to disclose to MRT. **//

[wheat loom]

What's the lore behind the tank in e1 ping me if your responding

[past matrix]

we can really only speculate since normally we aren't really given direct lore on enemies and such

but imo it can either be two options:
a. something wearing a tank carcass as sort of a shell (explaining why there's no tumors)
b. it's supposed to be a protector of the hive; something that is borderline impossible to kill

[graceful lotus]

R8 the immortal arc

[solar nova]

If we think of chargers as a high investment option for the colony that offer a greater degree of security in an area at a higher cost, the tank and the immortal are just extensions of that. Tanks are even higher investment, and provide more combat power. Immortals are even higher investment than that, and are meant to be nigh-unstoppable if they're controlling an area. We could also think of the immortal as a side-grade to the tank. While the tank is very threatening offensively, the immortal is a bit less threatening in exchange for being exceedingly hard to kill. It's different strategies for controlling territory, with a more offensive option and a more defensive option.

[burnt wren]

Or it could be just dead space style. The more time passes, the more chunky the infected become

[rocky wraith]

mlem4

[eternal talon]

i have no idea what that means

[rocky wraith]

means that kovac began to fight off the sleepers

it was around that time that the sleepers became an active threat and began causing trouble

I predicted it to be in that time frame ages back

[eternal talon]

no, no idea what mlem4 means

[rocky wraith]

mlem

mlam

blep

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-lick-mlem-cute-funny-gif-25264237

[livid grotto]

Couldn’t agree more

[past matrix]

real

[plucky patrol]

Do we know what "PolyFoam" is?

[eternal talon]

polyfoam?

do you have a link to the log where it is referenced?

also i think i might

isn't it the stuff the army uses for wounds?

ah, no i see what it is

it's that white bullshit that comes in when you order big packages.

wtf

hold on

can <@&408548765599793173> DM me? i'm trying to post a picture of polystyrene foam and the server wont let me because it says it is "explicit"

cant in Mod-Contact DMs either, bot wont allow any posts of foam

[eternal talon]

well wtf

why'd it let you

[past matrix]

im cool

[eternal talon]

it's foam

i dont understand these bots sometimes

[eternal talon]

@plucky patrol this

[plucky patrol]

That's what's in the C-Foam launcher?

[eternal talon]

no, i dont think so

it is "construction foam"

whatever that means

where did you read "polyfoam"?

[plucky patrol]

one sec

#gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

where did the term "PolyFoam" come from?

[gray tree]

probably a convenient term to symbolize whatever composition of c-foam is in the launcher without being specific.

[past matrix]

isnt polyfoam brought up in the one log from this rundown

[past matrix]

ordered a team mate to close the door, then sealed the door using PolyFoam. PolyFoam is a construction material used by the mining industry to temporarily secure structurally unsound bulkheads.

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/Unexpected-Sigma-behavior-recorded-e93265cbe33f450a85cb5f83fca2d62f

[quick grove]

The bot has favorites

[keen mantle]

Finished reading the Lore for Dummies stuff. Quite interesting

[harsh saffron]

What Warden and Punk said ^^

[red siren]

Prob just expanding foam mixed with epoxy or something

[small bobcat]

Its kind of often done in novel yeah, foam that rapidly expand and harden

[real pewter]

what kind of food schaeffer is eating in this rundown

[frail pollen]

Have you tried analyzing the contents of his ?

[cobalt python]

ban this sick filth

[shrewd jasper]

is there any timeline for gtfo ? or

[burnt wren]

There's a video on YouTube by Infinite Duck that's literally called "GTFO timeline" or something like that. Should cover most of it.

Although this timeline is fucked right up, considering we have to assemble it from borked dates on logs

[dense saffron]

probably been getting food from the garden area

[real pewter]

in R6, schaeffer said he was starving for 10 days

he basically didn't eat anything at all

that's why i was a little curious

[dense saffron]

yeah, because that was pre-hydrostasis schaeffer

[real pewter]

do we have any info tho?

[burnt wren]

We have pumpkins all over gardens

As well as other various plants

While not optimal - that's still food

But yes, i imagined that first mission by Schaeffer would be securing food first

[real pewter]

the dying pumpkin that got injected with stuff?

[burnt wren]

Yes.

Preferable to eating sleepers.

[eternal talon]

notion.so or the "for dummies" doc in the pins

[south lake]

Also worth mentioning that under ideal circumstances, it takes anywhere from 1-2 months for a person to starve to death.

If Schaeffer is eating the greenery and experimental foodstuffs in the labs, that's probably just enough to keep him from starving.

He's probably got nutrient deficiencies out the ass, but at least he's not dead

Probably also (partly) why he needs us to do things for him. We're not as far along hunger-wise as he is, probably due to us finishing our mission and then immediately going back into Hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

bigger problem is nam-v

he has been out of hsu for far more than 5 weeks

[south lake]

My guess on that is he's either immune or has found some way to avoid it or treat it.

[burnt wren]

Immune? Him, of all people? Quite unlikely.

[south lake]

To be fair? So is the fact that he's gone this long without succumbing to NAM-V.

Especially if he's already infected.

If he is already infected, it stands to reason that he's found some way to stave off the symptoms.

[real pewter]

i think he did get the nam-v

and got treated when he jumped into the hsu pod

so at least his body is now stronger to defend itself to the virus?

[south lake]

That's.. not really how that works.

The HSUs only halt the progression of the virus. Once you get out, it starts back up again.

To our own - and the rest of the world's - knowledge, there is no treatment for NAM-V. It's all but confirmed to be an alien bioweapon, and given the effects it has on the body, even if it isn't, it may as well be one.

If you catch NAM-V, you are going to die. It has a 100% mortality rate, full stop.

So for Schaeffer to have lived as long as he has outside of an HSU carries extreme implications, assuming it's not an oopsie on part of the lore crew.

Because it means he's either immune, or has found a way to either treat or stall the progression of symptoms.

[solar nova]

Even if Schaeffer were cured, there's no shot he wouldn't contract it again soon after.

Infection fog all over the place and such.

[south lake]

True, for a standard virus.

Vaccination just offers protection.

A cure/counteragent in case of it being a bioweapon may very well enable the immune system to stop the virus outright

Thus conferring true immunity

The absolutely shitty thing is

If he's been rendered immune to NAM-V?

I don't think he realizes it.

Which means he won't know how he obtained it.

Or when.

Which means humanity is still fucked, and Schaeffer even more so because now he gets front row tickets to the show.

So while he fights and rages against the WRDN, he gets to watch what remains of the world he knows slowly die off to this unbeatable pathogen.

Same scenario if he's stumbled upon the ability to stall the progression of symptoms

Though the end of that one has him inevitably dying to the virus

[real pewter]

is henrikson had the virus as well?

[south lake]

Most likely. If Schaeffer is infected? Absolutely.

The virus achieves maximum transmission rate regardless of environment or scenario.

[real pewter]

then he just fucked henrikson

[south lake]

Not like he had a choice.

He needs him.

[real pewter]

unless he can squeeze henrikson back into a pod

[south lake]

That won't save him.

Just keeps him fresh, so to speak.

And if he's in an HSU pod for too long, there's the risk of extreme memory loss.

[real pewter]

my lore knowledge was back when people assume that hsu pod cured the nam-v

so the pod didn't do shit but stall it

[south lake]

Correct.

Because of the environment and the state the body is kept in, you're effectively freezing both yourself and the virus in time.

It stalls the progression, but doesn't stop it.

[real pewter]

the world is ending sooner or later then

[south lake]

May already have.

[solar nova]

I think the perspective has roughly been that hydrostasis is analogous to an intensive care unit for some time, although not sure of which time frame you're talking about.

[real pewter]

does E1 has any lore in it?

[solar nova]

Some chatter and a log at the start iirc.

[south lake]

HSUs are effectively the Milwaukee Protocol but for NAM-V, basically

[solar nova]

Wack rabies treatment.

2004 too, damn.

[south lake]

Aye. For those who don't know, the Milwaukee Protocol is an extreme risk treatment for mid to late stage Rabies that has a high chance of killing the infected anyway.

But is otherwise the only chance they have of possibly surviving.

Since once the infected exhibits rabies symptoms, the fatality rate is effectively 100%.

Rabies is such a fucked virus, honestly. Shit like NAM-V is scary, but it's not "literally dissolving your brain alive" scary

[solar nova]

It's literally a zombie virus.

[south lake]

Nah. Once it's reached a certain point the body just fails.

And so long as you get an array of hugeass needles stabbed into your buttcheek ASAP when bitten, you'll be fine

It's just once you start showing symptoms, you've got about a week or two to say your goodbyes before you're left a gibbering, hydrophobic mess

Shit can incubate for up to several years in a person too, iirc

[prime arrow]

someone make an overall post to the anime for me

[noble hinge]

So basically there’s this high school girl, and she’s got huge boobs, and I mean real honkers, some huge badonkers, packing a set of gohonagahoogs! what happens next? New transfer student comes in with even BIGGER BOOBS! HUMONGOUS HOMONONGOLODONGUS!

[cobalt mulch]

haba haba

[snow yarrow]

but assuming it is correct that means wherever Dr Durant and his team ended up, their clocks would be running faster.
What's the "clocks" mean here?

[burnt wren]

general passing of time

in 1 second on earth ~85 seconds pass on the planetside

[snow yarrow]

so the time flow are different

[burnt wren]

Which explains how they were able to establish so much viable infrastructure on the planet in a short time it took for bishop to come back

He came back in like... 3 days? Which means it was about 255 days for expedition

They spent year(s) there

which raises variety of other questions (like what kind of food supply did they have?) but you know...

[subtle verge]

One week later, which equates to around 595 earth days.

[snow yarrow]

Does any logs tell us why or how?

[subtle verge]

If you're referring to when Bishop came back, it's one of Stoke's audio logs. She talks about Bishop coming back alone, one week after the incident, but she couldn't get information out of him because he refused to talk and someone came to get him from her interrogation.

[snow yarrow]

ic

[eternal talon]

He was gone for a month i think, it was one of the audio logs in r6c1, i'm not certain, but am like 75% sure it was a matter of weeks, not a couple days

He was on destination (his time) for two years

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=9838b236770a4e7996ca563e4927b5fd damn, it doesn't say

[finite vine]

I think he was only gone for a week. If he was gone for a month then he would of been on destination for 6.6 years.

[eternal talon]

where the fuck did i hear that

[finite vine]

I remember it being a week. not sure where I heard that though either.

[eternal talon]

it's also supported by the journal entry logs, first being june 5, immediately after ef01, and other log is june 9, and bishop isn't back yet

but no, i swear i heard it over an audio log

wtf

it was like an offhand remark by stokes

am i going crazy?

[subtle verge]

Stokes audio log

Looking it up, one second.

Audio log 4: "Distraught that we lost people. I’m angry that the information is being deliberately withheld from me. And I’m so fucking confused about what the hell has happened last week!"

It's not necessarily confirmed that it's been exactly a week, however this bit of recording tells us that the event most likely took place the week prior to this recording.

That being said, I feel we can confidently say that the week claim can be, or is, accurate with the time dilation that we have recently learned about.

Now, what I find interesting is this thought experiment: what if Stokes is right with her idea that the time dilations are transporting individuals to 'different dimensions' so to speak? What if EF-01 is essentially just a 'hub' or a designated connection point between different 'dimensions' or time dilations? Think along the lines of an intersection on a road. That intersection is always there, it will never move, it's simply a connection point between all of the different directions of travel.

I'm not going anywhere with that, just a fun thought to ponder.

[solar nova]

Tbh my expectation is that there are other "Destinations."

Big mystery, too.

Why does Alpha 3 exist?

Alpha 3 implies that we're missing multiple years on the timeline past 2055.

And that there's more going on at Destination Alpha that was worth investing so much into.

[subtle verge]

Way out in left field here, and don't take this seriously by any means of the word, but could it be possible that there is something along the lines of a time loop?

Like uh... checkpointing, if that's the word I'm looking for.

[solar nova]

I feel like I'm in a time loop w/ this game sometimes.

But I feel like naw, there's nothing crazy loopy going on.

Things feel very chronological rn.

Maybe with enough LSD...

[subtle verge]

Hmm... Maybe not a time loop, but the idea of infinite parallel universes; again, way out in left field, but what if every 'failure' (team wipe) is a timeline that has failed, each timeline progressing in unity until the victorious timeline(s) are all that remain?

I've read too many sci-fi novels over the past month. 😅

[solar nova]

Checkpoints are actually canonical.

Confirmed.

R4 players seething.

[dry canyon]

I mean

kinda seemed so

it littearly says "checkpoint loaded" on your HUD when you reload

[south lake]

That's just a gameplay feature. Has nothing to do with whether it's canon or not.

[lilac island]

Could some lore-king DM me?

[dim scroll]

for what purpose ?

[lilac island]

To talk about lore

[green burrow]

The prisoners do comment on reloading a checkpoint.

[eternal talon]

well yes, but with the topics of checkpoints in general, it is a very meta thing.

[frail pollen]

[tribal widget]

Kill it

[shut mountain]

bruh

[south lake]

Not saying it's not canon, I'm saying the whole "CHECKPOINT LOADED" thing is just a gameplay function.

[cobalt mulch]

117fps worth of something new, hmm. cool leak, thanks :)

[eternal talon]

that is a destiny ghost

[frail pollen]

[cobalt mulch]

blah. should play more games. got all riled up.

[eternal talon]

do you wanna know something weird?

the server room in D2 is full of a ton (12-14) decapitated heads, no bodies.

[burnt wren]

Is there any enemy in particular that has no head?

Actually, that's basically every sleeper isn't...

Weird

[eternal talon]

99% of sleepers have heads, they are just mutated beyond recognition

(maybe not the tank, he is a bit weird)

[harsh saffron]

tank has at least 1 face

doesn't mean it has a head in this mutation context but yeah ^^

[eternal talon]

where the fuck did all these heads come from

look at this door

granted, it was open when we got there, but why

you'd think it'd be on lockdown 24/7

[burnt wren]

Which DX is this?

That's not R6 is it?

i dont remember any of these

[eternal talon]

D2 my bad

AWOL

in this rundown

[burnt wren]

ah

didn't see any of that either

was too busy survivin'

[eternal talon]

its the primary objective of d2...

[harsh saffron]

you don't have to send all 4 in there

[burnt wren]

yeah, but its a dead end that you have to fight your way out of

and someone else had the USB stick so we sent him in and did some defending

[eternal talon]

you teamscan at the door in that picture

its checkpoint

[harsh saffron]

True but you're in there for like 10 seconds ^^

[eternal talon]

not me, i take my time

play this game for the lores

[harsh saffron]

and after the first try there is no point in going in there with more than 1 person

same but I also try not to get killed 😄

[eternal talon]

wdym

i have 10 clears

[harsh saffron]

I'm not exactly sightseeing in D2 of all levels is what I mean

I took like 1 screenshot and then its the great escape

[eternal talon]

you can agree though, they aren't exactly hidden in there

they are everywhere

[harsh saffron]

Sure, never pay attention to stuff on the floor tbh (only noticed the massive blood splatters in the room before)

[eternal talon]

itsa bunch a heads.

which.. is something new

i've seen corpses in half before, but never a room with just heads

or.. heads by themselves at all, for that matter

[harsh saffron]

agreed

[burnt wren]

btw

There's something that's been bothering me for a while

[eternal talon]

hm?

[burnt wren]

One of Duran's expedition logs describes left overs of his group hiding from "the creatures".
And it describes one of them getting taken away. Something about how creatures just "pulled him out right from their ranks" or something like that. And he even describes "predator-like hunting behavior".

Now here's the thing: was this some kind of early leak for Snatchers? Because my first assumption that he described Fliers, but that doesn't make sense as they exclusively interact through long range combat.
Sleepers don't fit the criteria either since they just go straight for the kill as well.
So... What the hell? Did his group encountered a hunting party of snatchers and he didn't bother to describe their behavior in any more meaningful way?

[eternal talon]

he is on destination

he and his group are the first humans from our universe to destination, so surely you jest unless you imply multiple earths all convene on destination

[burnt wren]

Well, again - it just doesn't fit what we know of fliers' behavior. Abducting people like that is just not something they do, or at least we haven't seen them attempt to do any of the sort. They just bum rush us and then do some casual mid range barraging until we die.
Snatchers, meanwhile, fit described behavior almost to the T so its a very weird discrepancy that just keeps bothering me.

Unless its a hint that one day we'll get a floating snatcher

Now that'll be a sight to see

Goddammit, i can't find the relevant log

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#E2Q-CC62-PRK

[burnt wren]

"They took Peterson yesterday while we were resting in a cave. They must have been watching us all along. We had the entrance guarded and a rock wall to our backs but they still just… [breathing] plucked him out the middle of us. It’s possible that they’re using hunting strategies or at least they work together to… to… "

Tell me this doesn't describe snatchers almost perfectly.
I have issues imagining fliers rushing in into a crumpy cave and just grabbing someone and flying away.

So yeah, that's a major discrepancy.
A) It describes flier behavior that's not present in gameplay.
B) It describes an alien-born snatcher that we haven't seen.

[south lake]

Which means Snatchers are a natural reconfiguration the parasite employs. Not a response to a threat.

I wonder what dictates which individual parasite uses which reconfiguration.

Or if they just.. pick on their own?

[subtle verge]

Part of me still thinks it's a similar scenario to a hive/colony; looking at ants, bees, etc. My example would be where the queen bee or ant knows to create x amount of workers/guards/etc. initially, but then creates what the hive/colony needs based on pheromonal response.

[south lake]

Maybe. I also can't help but wonder, like..

It might sound incredibly stupid, but what if the parasites are the "Allens", as Frostty calls them

And this method of taking and warping bodies is their way of cleansing a planet for colonization?

This might be a throwback and a half for some, but think Yeerks from Animorphs, but way more violent and gruesome

They take over a planet by bodysnatching, basically

[subtle verge]

I've had a few moments of thought on that, as well, but the biggest evidence against that is the creation of the MWP & cubes, should it still stand that it's "alien tech" and not just a paracausal creation from an alternate universe(s).

[south lake]

Fair, but in that same vein

Those could be breadcrumbs of a sort

[subtle verge]

Fair.

[south lake]

Seeded on worlds, and left alone until whatever species is there becomes smart enough to find and use them

Kickstarting a defacto invasion

Alternatively, Endless Space/Endless Legend Necrophages

Mindless hive swarms with many forms and configurations that exist only to feed

And just travel from region to region (or planet to planet in Endless Space), strip it of all resources including biomass

And then leave for the next one

Mindless, save for whatever driving force is behind them

[eternal talon]

I suppose the bigger question would be, why our earth?

Why not any other earth in the infinite different world lines?

If the allens could travel to ours, they can travel to any. What makes ours special enough to stand out amongst the rest to them?

And was it intentional? Or just unlucky that they ended up crashing on our earth with nam-v in tow

[dim scroll]

It might be purely random

But the game plays in the dimension they decide to invade

[noble hinge]

Here’s a question I don’t really know or can find answers to, does the main group remember they’re life?

I know they are like prisoners

Do they remember why

[livid grotto]

some yes

Bishop I think does remember some parts

[noble hinge]

How do they forget? Just trauma or something to do with hydro sleep?

[harsh saffron]

Hydro stasis causes long term memory damage so they mostly forgot about their life before their current "situation"

[noble hinge]

My theory was right then!

[harsh saffron]

Yup, although the trauma probably isn't really helpful either ^^

but mostly the HSU part

[noble hinge]

Another question now does HSU work?

In my mind it’s just like “don’t worry we only drown you for a little then bring you back!”

[harsh saffron]

one sec I'm gonna quote from a log

The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.

[noble hinge]

Ok so also similar to my theory of life support water tanks

[harsh saffron]

Indeed

[noble hinge]

Now I sorta get what the nam v virus is but… the teleporter crystal… wtf is that?

[harsh saffron]

the Matter Wave Projector?

[noble hinge]

Yes

[harsh saffron]

We got some new logs about it recently with in game speculations about the functionality but I don't think its 100% confirmed how it works

[noble hinge]

Where did it come from, aliens?

[harsh saffron]

Apparently yes, it was found with other artifacts like the data cubes inside the presumably alien structure called "The Fossil".

and multiple people state that they are certainly not man-made

I'm not too deep into the new theories around it but there are a few people in here that will probably explain it when they have time

[noble hinge]

Hmm.. ok interesting

One last question, what changes a sleeper’s evolution?

It seems like all strikers are male all shooters female

But big ones, scouts, chargers

What causes those?

[harsh saffron]

Sadly, we have pretty much no info on the enemies. Some popular theories are about a similar behavior to ant colonies. So a central controlling entity that regulates the amount of different types of sleepers or even mutating new versions based on the needs of the swarm.

Although all normal sleepers, so everything that doesn't fly, still seems to have been a human (or multiple) human body at the start.

[noble hinge]

Maybe the more inhuman formed ones are alien races infected with the Nam V

[topaz flare]

ok im late to the chat what are we talking about?

[harsh saffron]

That's indeed the ongoing theory because the virus can apparently infect basically anything.

[harsh saffron]

Lore

Just a bit of everything

[topaz flare]

so were just recaping the info i see

[harsh saffron]

Jup jup

[dim scroll]

Why would the aliens infect themselves with a virus they brought ?

[topaz hollow]

As time goes on I'm more and more convinced it has a hive mind function of some kind

[topaz hollow]

Maybe the alien race put all of their infected into the egg before sending it off into space to be someone else's problem

If the NAM-V virus originated with them

[dim scroll]

That would be nearly impossible

Unless they managed to figure out whoever had NAM-V and contain them without it spreading

with an R0 of 17 that'd be impressive

[dreamy hornet]

Given how infectious NAM-V is, its likely that the aliens that made it were killed by it. Whether that means one group of aliens or an entire species isn't known to my knowledge. Though Destination is dead sooo

[eternal talon]

Not entirely dead, just infected. There are live plants and such

[dreamy hornet]

I forgot about the plants. Interesting that it leaves plant life alive. I wonder what impact it has on things that lack animal like brains

NAM-V + parasite infected birds would be excellent nightmare fuel

[south lake]

Not really all that interesting. Plant life is quite different physiologically from animal life, at least on Earth.

And in most cases, a virus has to mutate specifically to jump species, which in and of itself can be incredibly risky

Jumping from animals to plants is an order of magnitude more than jumping species, and would carry almost no benefit, since plants can't cough, vomit, defecate, or respirate, all of which are common primary transmission vectors for viruses. (Aerosolization, contact with fluids, contact with waste or an infected individual)

You would pretty much have to touch the thing to get infected in that case, and that can be fixed by just.. washing your hands.

Or whatever part came into contact with the infected plant.

[clever niche]

And if the virus and parasite evolved on a different planet/dimension it could be wholly different from life that evolved on earth. I thought of the parasite and virus as more of a fungus that considers our bodies a moist, amino acid packed, and mineral packed host. Rather than a virus that injects RNA into our cells to get our cells to copy it.

[eternal talon]

we know it is a virus. this is stated as fact in a great many logs. that Roanoke gaming set of videos that you may/may not be referencing is misinformation, and shouldn't be considered, as they have actively deleted comments posting lore-relevant information and links to the official logs.

[clever niche]

I didn’t see Roanoke’s video, I just find it weird that life from a different planet would have earth DNA/RNA or be compatible with it

[eternal talon]

it would appear from information given in the E1 log, that it is a bioweapon, and isn't natural.

evidence for this has come from the log itself, and analysis by a 3-4 year professional in these fields, @rocky wraith

[rocky wraith]

mlem

"professional"

[eternal talon]

i agree with you that it is weird, but we have a lot of info directly pointing at it.

[eternal talon]

in a discord server full of nerds, a 3 year degree in directly relevant fields might as well be word from god, the all-knowing

[rocky wraith]

I am God!!!!! Fear my wrath!!!

[eternal talon]

not confirming things, but incredibly valuable input that is to a higher degree than theorycraft

[rocky wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blep-cat-tongue-blep-tongue-out-tongue-gif-16719992

[rocky wraith]

surprising to literally everyone except biologists who know bioenergetics, DNA/RNA are necessary to xenobiology because all biology is a logic system built from entropy and energy maths which are unchanging across planets

Xenobiology is most like Earth biology, because maths is unchanging across the universe

[eternal talon]

(which is kind of up in the air in the moment because of the whole inter-dimensional thing, but that's another topic)

[clever niche]

That logs real interesting, then I wonder if it was designed to infect our planet or adapts regardless of where/how life evolves. This might hold credence to the initial flue from mine exposure was before the virus adapted to our genetics. If it’s a bioweapon than the initial mild symptoms might’ve also been purposeful to get it to spread and not cause initial panic.

[rocky wraith]

(not really by the fact that Bishop survived a year in Destination)

[eternal talon]

(while yes, but if fundamental things like time are different on Destination, what else might be)

[rocky wraith]

The best bioweapons in the scifi meta are ones you can just drop on a planet and it will adapt to its surroundings while invading and exploiting every advantage it can

[rocky wraith]

"magic"

[eternal talon]

(inb4 r8 is d&d)

[rocky wraith]

(Rolls for initiative against the sleeping tank)

[eternal talon]

15+3, 18!

[rocky wraith]

poggers

[eternal talon]

(rolls sneak)

[past matrix]

this isnt serious lore discussion.

[eternal talon]

it was

before

[rocky wraith]

(0) critical failure, Warden has detected you

[past matrix]

please refrain from not having serious discussion about the Lore of the game.

[rocky wraith]

back on topic

the virus is mega adaptive and I think I wrote a thing about it definitively being artificial due to the multiple attack strategy

which gives a massive advantage in zoonotical transfer and abilities to spread

[noble hinge]

Maybe they brought it on accident then got infected halfway through travel

[dim scroll]

how the hell can they bring it on accident ?

They literally made multidimensional portals

[noble hinge]

Maybe they were just helpless passengers on an asteroid and that asteroid found the nam v, maybe that asteroid was the one who killed the Dino’s like aka where we play are in gtfo

[dim scroll]

And they would be dumb enough to not notice NAM-V ?

And it's that asteroid that killed the dinos in game

[noble hinge]

EXACTLY! Maybe the first time they did open a portal it brought the virus through! Maybe they had no idea

[dim scroll]

With maybes you can reshape the world

At this point i'm quite certain they knew about NAM-V

If they're able to make portals from one dimension to another, they can do the same within the same dimension (that would be easier in theory)

[noble hinge]

Hmm… NEW THEORY! They made it, as a bio weapon, and we’re the trial

[dim scroll]

"Trial"

Why would they set a trial on us anyway

[noble hinge]

Because they wanted to test NAM-V

If they knew it existed maybe they are the ones who created it, the same who created the portals

Maybe it’s literally nothing more than a universe destroying super powerful biological weapon and maybe we’re just one of many targets, or maybe we’re just the first couple of test runs

I don’t really know but I like the idea the aliens are these evil beings involved in bio warfare

[south lake]

This is getting into "Conspiracy Theorist" levels of goofy, ngl

Which is.. a lot, considering, well. gestures wildly at this whole thing

[dreamy hornet]

If we're talking "virus that can jump from alien species to humanity without issue and can infect via nearly any known route", then the notion of it jumping from animals to plants isn't to far of a stretch. Baring some weird convergent evolution between the alien species and animals causing similar enough proteins to exist for interaction. Besides its more fun to have the plants be infected and have a different behavior.

Sure they can't easily spread NAM-V but who cares, that just means that they linger and wait for something to eat them or touch them or breath near them

[abstract ledge]

It's a little hard to talk about the mechanics of the virus itself when so much of what we know is in thin logs and estimated via observation. Not to mention the end result, a hivemind of inhumam monsters, is far beyond anything we can compare to in the real world.

I think unless a more capable lore jockey knows something I don't, we really can't talk much about whether the virus is/isn't experimentally derived simply by lack of evidence either way.

I think we can rule out it infecting plants though. Plenty of levels have normal looking plants. Heck, B1 of the current rundown has live brush as a visibility hazard and it's just thriving

[solar nova]

I mean, it's more likely a colony than a hivemind, and we have lots of colonies IRL.

[abstract ledge]

Not ones created by viruses though. Only very specific viruses and fungi are known to affect behavior, and certainly none to this extent

[solar nova]

The weirdest aspect to it is the "flesh," which seems to exist independent of its drones.

Yeah, sure, the colony is very much disconnected from the virus/parasite.