and saying this is the case
#gtfo-lore
knotty jolt
eternal talon
honestly we have no fucking clue how the WMP works, insight didn't either,
solar nova
I'm not agreeing w/ Beanz, though, I'm just saying I don't think it's particularly clear-cut what the endpoint of the trip was.
eternal talon
they lost an entire lab and half of their equipment to it
rocky wraith
and that it might be any one of a series of scenarios
knotty jolt
and that it might be any one of a series of scenarios
where none of those scenarios
she mentioned contained some variation of the phrase "maybe our universe doesnt have the same quantum frequency throughout"
eternal talon
every day i'd wish we'd just get allen sandstone tablets explaining this nonsense and other allen specific lore in a meta way so we dont have to speculate
solar nova
Rereading the explanation, it appears the MWP is able to follow multiple waves through multiple dimensions indefinitely.
So it's possibly following some sort of network of waves described by the datablocks to reach a specific place and dimension, which could be D0.
knotty jolt
im confused what the fuck is this d0 d1 d2 d3 notation
eternal talon
oh why did you leave us great Allen ones.. the secrets you could have explained.. the headaches your absence has caused..
rocky wraith
im confused what the fuck is this d0 d1 d2 d3 notation
string theory interpretation of dimensions
like the actual real world maths
knotty jolt
oh as in like
rocky wraith
where dimensions are simply an additional plane of wave functions mathematics and not another multiverse
rocky wraith
d3 being cube d2 being square d1 being line d0 being point etc etc
D1 being baryonic interactivity
rocky wraith
what the fuck is that
Physical matter
knotty jolt
but what does that mean
rocky wraith
baryonic matter is all the things that we can interact with physically, it is distinct from energy, dark energy, and dark matter
And antimatter is included in baryonic
solar nova
So, there are two ways I see the MWP working rn:
-
The MWP follows some network of superpositions described by the datablocks in order to follow waves through multiple dimensions until some endpoint (which it teleports things to) in some location and time in some dimension.
-
The MWP takes the coordinates from the datablocks, describing a specific location and time in a specific dimension, and then locates a series of waves and superpositions of those waves which it can follow to teleport its cargo to that dimension, time, and location.
rocky wraith
our universe is like 5% baryonic matter, everything else is magic waves and maths
knotty jolt
D1 being baryonic interactivity
where did you get this
i dont understand
is this the same as your d0 1 2 or something different
rocky wraith
where did you get this
As an example to explain the differences in dimensions, not meant as actual statement to string
solar nova
D1 = some dimension, notated 1.
knotty jolt
but uh
rocky wraith
like the interpretation of real numbers and imaginary numbers
solar nova
I'm not referring to anything specific from string theory or anything when I say D1, D2, etc., I'm treating it similar to possible worlds jargon where-in there are multiple sets of possibilities and I need to refer to them individually and talk about them.
rocky wraith
like you can count real numbers but can't count the square root of negative 1
knotty jolt
how is that relevant
south lake
And antimatter is included in baryonic
I think you mean to say you can interact with Antimatter once.
:p
knotty jolt
also baryon doesnt include all matter
thats just matter
matter includes leptons too?
rocky wraith
how is that relevant
its relevant in the way we interpret the wording of Stokes' log
rocky wraith
also baryon doesnt include all matter
is energy matter?
knotty jolt
not in reference to the dimensions as in mathematics
knotty jolt
is energy matter?
yeah
solar nova
W8
knotty jolt
what
solar nova
energy does have mass, though.
knotty jolt
energy has mass
rich blaze
I would appreciate if people could turn off auto mention when quoting me š©
knotty jolt
what are you
solar nova
I'm like 90% on that.
knotty jolt
bro
rich blaze
What is the discussion
rocky wraith
I'm like 90% on that.
google it
knotty jolt
photos have mass
solar nova
It's entailed by equations for energy.
knotty jolt
photons have mass
and theyre basically just energy
yeah
otherwise solar sails wouldnt be possile
since thered be no transfer of momentum
like
energy has mass
rocky wraith
photons have mass
"A photon is a massless 'particle," meaning it has no rest mass."
knotty jolt
right but a photon at rest isnt...a photon?
eternal talon
What is the discussion
we were talking about how you found out the coords for destination were for space and not for earth
rocky wraith
energy has mass
literally type in google
knotty jolt
and doesnt have energy?
rocky wraith
otherwise solar sails wouldnt be possile
solar sails are scifi tho right?
knotty jolt
no?
rich blaze
Yes, and I'd appreciate not being pinged everytime we quote it :(
rocky wraith
radiation pressure not mass
solar nova
radiation pressure
Frostty, if I had to guess "radiation pressure" includes photons.
eternal talon
its called force of light but not made from light
solar nova
This includes the momentum of light
solar nova
Frostty, we already knew that.
eternal talon
so whats the problem?
rich blaze
You guys are trying to check interstellar travels?
eternal talon
You guys are trying to check interstellar travels?
right now just about light having mass
not about travels
rocky wraith
You guys are trying to check interstellar travels?
trying to create a whole new realm of mathematics to support my ego
eternal talon
best summarized here:
A sail reflects about 90% of the incident radiation. The 10% that is absorbed is radiated away from both surfaces, with the proportion emitted from the unlit surface depending on the thermal conductivity of the sail. A sail has curvature, surface irregularities, and other minor factors that affect its performance.
rocky wraith
thats so weird
wait till you get to dark matter and dark energy, which are not baryonic
knotty jolt
i dont want to get there
i started learninga bout baryonic matter and leptons and shit in 8th grade
and i hate quantum physics
i forgot most things already and lost interest by highschool
rich blaze
To be fair, those last two are mostly theoritical
eternal talon
^
rocky wraith
To be fair, those last two are mostly theoritical
except for their observable effect on galaxies using gravitational lensing which proved them last year
rocky wraith
except for their observable effect on galaxies using gravitational lensing which...
There was a MASSIVE uproar about it
knotty jolt
that was last year?
rocky wraith
my mechatronics flatmate was going mental
rocky wraith
that was last year?
year and a half?
knotty jolt
havent we known for a while now that the unvierse literally doesnt have enough mass to exist the way it does
unless theres dark matter
south lake
I have to wonder why Dark Matter and Dark Energy are listed as "Theoretical" still if there's been an observable effect on galaxies
rocky wraith
hasnt dark matter been proven time and time again?
theorised, but recently more evidence came to light by seeing it cluster together and magnifying the intensity of which galaxy clusters bend light
knotty jolt
ohh i remember that
eternal talon
I have to wonder why Dark Matter and Dark Energy are listed as "Theoretical" sti...
because we haven't seen it ourselves to say, yes, okay, this is 100% a thing and not something else we dont know
knotty jolt
the thing about seeing the light of a star bending around a cluster of dark matter
south lake
But there is something there
rocky wraith
havent we known for a while now that the unvierse literally doesnt have enough m...
yup but we didn't know for certain it was dark matter specifically
eternal talon
But there is *something* there
yes
south lake
That alone should pull it out of theory and into "Okay, now what the fuck is it"
eternal talon
there are many tests in isolated vaults underground trying to detect any of it every year
fascinating stuff
knotty jolt
anyways imma go
you keep your headcanon about quantum frequency being different in one universe
ill keep my headcanon about us just jumping to a different dimension
eternal talon
south lake
Like, why not just use Dark Matter/Dark Energy as a blanket term for these astrophysical noseeums?
Unless they're being unbelievably banal about it, I guess
rocky wraith
Like, why not just use Dark Matter/Dark Energy as a blanket term for these astro...
because preset definitions had already been made up for the lingual collectivisations
south lake
..So they're being banal about it.
rocky wraith
..So they're being banal about it.
more that the maths pointed to one thing rather than multiple things sort of deal
eternal talon
they did. dark matter
south lake
Okay, then you've defined what is causing the disturbances, can view these disturbances, but it's.. still up in the air as to whether it exists or not.
????
rocky wraith
Okay, then you've defined *what* is causing the disturbances, can view these dis...
we can't view them
eternal talon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6etTERFUlUI
watch this video please
rocky wraith
we can only see their effect
eternal talon
it will explain it far far better than we can in a chat log
i linked it for a reason
south lake
we can only see their effect
Is that not the same thing?
eternal talon
no
south lake
You can't see the matter itself, but that's not what I'm talking about. If it's effecting something, it clearly exists
eternal talon
we once theorized there was a missing planet in the solar system due to gravitational forces being inconsistent
rocky wraith
Is that not the same thing?
it's like seeing the light bend around a star more than it should and saying, "huh, something other than the star is causing that extra bending, but I can only measure the star, and the star shouldn't bend it that much"
eternal talon
but that planet didnt exist
keen mantle
Snores from Math/Space/Science/Lack of creature lores
knotty jolt
*Snores from Math/Space/Science/Lack of creature lores*
what are sleepers actually
solar nova
You can't see the matter itself, but that's not what I'm talking about. If it's ...
Well it might not, although it's considered the the strongest model last I heard.
knotty jolt
i still dont know what they are
south lake
Parasites.
knotty jolt
people say theyre mutate humans with namv + parasites combo
eternal talon
read gtfo lore for dummies
keen mantle
Infected humans
solar nova
You can model it as gravity behaving differently than expected at larger scales.
knotty jolt
i read it
eternal talon
people say theyre mutate humans with namv + parasites combo
they are
its in the post apocalypse section
knotty jolt
wasnt there a log about how like
eternal talon
gotta scroll way down
knotty jolt
they dug into a chamber and found sleepers?
eternal talon
no
knotty jolt
wasnt that way before everything went to shit
eternal talon
sleepers only came after the autopsy
knotty jolt
isnt that in referenec to sleepers
eternal talon
no
infected yes,
but not infected humans
which are colloquially known as sleepers.
rocky wraith
yeah but
strikers and shooters are made from the direct transformation caused by nam-v and the parasite. The rest of them likely came out of cocoons/mothers/biomass things
eternal talon
here is an excerpt from GTFOLFD
What are Sleepers?:
Sleepers are the final product of a NAM-V - Parasite infestation. NAM-V is extremely infectious and has a lethality rate of 100%.
Sleepers are created by the Parasite with NAM-V present. The Parasite was originally a victim of NAM-V and over time they have formed a Symbiotic relationship, with the Virus keeping the Parasite alive and active for undefined lengths of time, perhaps forever.
This allows NAM-V to maintain its hyper lethality without burning itself out of food or fuel to continue spreading, often hibernating for tens of thousands if not millions of years between outbreaks.
NAM-V also has a multipronged attack strategy, making it incredibly difficult to fight against and lending credence to the idea that it is not natural in origin and was some form of creation or bioweapon developed by the Ancient Allens.
What are Giants? Hybrids?
Specialized variants of Sleepers are created by the Parasite to fill a niche in its hive. A great example of this would be the Scout, designed to keep watch while other Sleepers hibernate to keep a hive from being exterminated.
Another example would be the giant, created by an infected host that has a large quantity of muscle mass, this infected individual was mutated into a role more fitting by its genetic code and purpose the Parasite needed to support the hive.
It is this reason that nearly all Shooter variants appear to be female in origin, and nearly all Strikers being male.
Chargers appear to grow large nests with biomass (usually on ceilings), and are highly aggressive brutes, most likely derivative of big strikers, though they have their own big striker variant.
rocky wraith
anyway goodnight
eternal talon
gn!
eternal talon
isnt that in referenec to sleepers
so they accidentally dug into a chamber
they recovered artifacts
and put them under quarantine
eternal talon
2 people didn't follow quarantine
and nam-v got out
they set up camps on the surface, nam-v reached the surface
they uncover more chambers,
knotty jolt
huh
eternal talon
they recover an allen
dim scroll
These baboons dug in it intentionally iirc
knotty jolt
i wanna read more about these parasites
eternal talon
they autopsy it,
knotty jolt
do you guys have any logs
eternal talon
the parasite gets out
now there are sleepers
there are no sleepers on the surface, only nam-v and corpses
keen mantle
Basicallyā¦. The world was fucked by just 2 people not following procedures correctly
dim scroll
When bogos binted hits hard
eternal talon
sleepers are exclusive to garganta, thankfully
dim scroll
š½
keen mantle
sleepers are exclusive to garganta, thankfully
Oh?
keen mantle
I thought there would be sleepers on surface?
dim scroll
Nah
dim scroll
The parasites have to get out for that
eternal talon
the devs love giving us no info
eternal talon
well, there is also the "eating through hazmat log" which confirmed the parasites in the first place,
dim scroll
and one of the most important ones
eternal talon
but that doesnt say much about them
eternal talon
I thought there would be sleepers on surface?
nope, 7 billion corpses, not 7 billion sleepers
eternal talon
it's Dauda who wrote this log, I forgot
yes
keen mantle
So basically almost no one left alive on surface then?
dim scroll
Imagine what the fuck would happen if they were aware of the sleepers' existence
lmao
eternal talon
So basically almost no one left alive on surface then?
i wouldn't say more than 100k people, being generous
dim scroll
They would've nuked the complex ages ago
keen mantle
LOL! Nuclear wasteland
dim scroll
Well
eternal talon
according to statistics in the USA from a state of truth log,
dim scroll
now that the quantum tethering from B1 hasn't been severed, the flyers keep spawning into the complex
eternal talon
all of humanity would be gone about 3 years before the game takes place
dim scroll
It wouldn't be surprising for them to get out of the complex
eternal talon
so it is 110% dead
eternal talon
It wouldn't be surprising for them to get out of the complex
through the fliers after r6b1 yeah
eternal talon
if anyone is left on the surface, there is now the possibility for the parasite to infect them and spread there too
keen mantle
Yup
livid grotto
wait
dim scroll
All of this because us monkeys forgot to get the MWP back
livid grotto
are you sure about the teleport out of nowhere part?
dim scroll
Yes ?
keen mantle
are you sure about the teleport out of nowhere part?
Yes
dim scroll
R6D2 ex
eternal talon
All of this because us monkeys forgot to get the MWP back
all of this because 2 people didn't follow quarantine procedures
dim scroll
R6D4
livid grotto
D4 isn't cannon
dim scroll
Tru
keen mantle
And R7B1 at end too..
livid grotto
oh
eternal talon
here is a picture of one teleporting
eternal talon
D4 isn't cannon
it might be now
dim scroll
Nice blackhole š³
eternal talon
they just said to not look into it too much
solar nova
D4 isn't cannon
We're not supposed to worry about it that much, but it's not non-canon.
eternal talon
We're not supposed to worry about it that much, but it's not non-canon.
the multiple gargantas could be the WMP teleporting to different versions of earth
like it does for destination
keen mantle
But I wanna knowā¦ something
eternal talon
But I wanna knowā¦ something
hm?
keen mantle
The Shockers
dim scroll
wot
eternal talon
keen mantle
How did they come into our Complex?
eternal talon
they didnt
dim scroll
tf are shockers
eternal talon
did they?
keen mantle
When they were first seen in BX
eternal talon
these @dim scroll
eternal talon
When they were first seen in BX
they were never in garganta though
livid grotto
it was on destination
dim scroll
oh the flyers or whatever
eternal talon
only in destination afik
eternal talon
oh the flyers or whatever
no, these are uber fliers
dim scroll
or you mean the chonky ones ?
keen mantle
they were never in garganta though
I know. BUT they appeared in E1 tho
solar nova
they were never in garganta though
C2 Overload and E1.
keen mantle
Yes
dim scroll
in E1 i think the biomass serves as a "path" between destination & the complex
eternal talon
if they are in garganta then they must have come with the others in b1
past matrix
what if the weird charger goo wall shit is a teleporter
keen mantle
So Iām curious as to HOW they got in hereā¦ did one somehow got in from that MWP?
eternal talon
weird we didnt see them then though
past matrix
in E1 i think the biomass serves as a "path" between destination & the complex
that's exactly what i was thinking LOL
dim scroll
with the biomass in destination the other side of it
past matrix
it is kinda weird how the immortal teleports with us but then doesnt teleport back with us but still somehow comes back
eternal talon
nothing to do with the crystals
dim scroll
Yet most enemies come from it on E1
eternal talon
it is kinda weird how the immortal teleports with us but then doesnt teleport ba...
its different immortals
dim scroll
Not only chargers
keen mantle
Lol!
eternal talon
many immortals
dim scroll
However what's strange is that the immortal in destination appears in E1's teleporter
eternal talon
like 3 different ones in e1
solar nova
its different immortals
Mechanically, but presumably the implication is that it's 1 of them.
past matrix
yeah if you need to use cheeses to prove something chances are it wasnt meant to be seen that way lmao
eternal talon
Mechanically, but presumably the implication is that it's 1 of them.
well to be fair in r3 there was only one pMother but in r7 there is like 6
keen mantle
If thatās the caseā¦ where and how Immortals are developed? Is it created as a defense against the constant āfailureā to defend the Hive?
eternal talon
and only one kraken in r6 but we might see him again in time
solar nova
well to be fair in r3 there was only one pMother but in r7 there is like 6
I'm not saying there's only 1 though, just that there's only 1 on E1.
eternal talon
in r7 there aren't 6 pmothers lol
there is a pMother in d2 and is a couple in e1
dim scroll
Only 1 in E1
eternal talon
If thatās the caseā¦ where and how Immortals are developed? Is it created as a de...
probably
they are like a tank-charger giant hybrid
keen mantle
Basically what Iām trying to get at is: The Hive is basically threatened enough to spawn Immortal as a potential last-ditch option to deal with loss of āalliesā
dim scroll
the immortal is a "reversed" tank
eternal talon
so you can see a comparison
keen mantle
Reversed?
past matrix
what if immortals are just something using a tanks dead body
solar nova
If thatās the caseā¦ where and how Immortals are developed? Is it created as a de...
Probably just a considerably heavier version of the tank.
keen mantle
Oh!
dim scroll
The back of a tank is the chest of an immortal
past matrix
or rejuvenating it somehow
dim scroll
for some reason
livid grotto
what if immortals are just something using a tanks dead body
š
solar nova
Similar to how tanks are sort of a heavier charger-esque enemy.
dim scroll
what if immortals are just something using a tanks dead body
Could be a thing
Might explain why it moves so weirdly
keen mantle
I get what ur sayingā¦. I wonder if there will ever be a situation where we HAVE to find a way to kill itā¦ since these Immortals basically cannot be allowed to exist for future reference
past matrix
i mean you can kill it 
eternal talon
they have iirc 1mil hitpoints
dim scroll
š
keen mantle
I know that.
past matrix
still possible as long as you dont run out of ammo
just put on ammo boosters, simple
dim scroll
Still possible if you use melee for 1 week straight
past matrix
true
keen mantle
So with the Hive threatened to point of Immortalsā existenceā¦ what would the Hive actually do now to defend itself?
past matrix
yea
eternal talon
same moon, all equally weird and way too fuckin' bright
south lake
Not really
Depends on how close the planet and its moon are to the sun, since moonlight is just sunlight reflecting off the surface
solar nova
Probably a white dwarf if this is the butterfly nebula.
eternal talon
Depends on how close the planet and its moon are to the sun, since moonlight is ...
reflection is dependent mostly on composition of the material
solar nova
Although the "sun" is a little confusing.
eternal talon
destination's sun
keen mantle
I wonder if the Legion or Rise programs are used to replenish the human race?
Aside from KSO stuff
eternal talon
also oh my fucking god this tileset's lighting is GORGEOUS
south lake
Atmospheric conditions would also affect the lighting, IIRC
It's not just the sun's color that does that
eternal talon
I wonder if the Legion or Rise programs are used to replenish the human race?
for legion, no.
for rise, we don't know, but probably not
south lake
IE - Smoke haze in the atmosphere causes our sun to be visible as a blood red orb in the sky
eternal talon
since it was "an alternative to" legion
keen mantle
So Rise is probably a program designed to hide amongst the sleepers and itās variants
south lake
For proof of that you can go to any area that's within the aftermath zone of a large enough wildfire
keen mantle
Althoughā¦ it didnāt hide well enough from Scouts
keen mantle
According to S22 and Schaeffer
keen mantle
Oh
eternal talon
problems from way back when still exist,
notably the whole "mental capacity of a child" thing
this guy had no shoes, and only 3 fingers
livid grotto
NO SHOES
eternal talon
NO SERVICE
keen mantle
this guy had no shoes, and only 3 fingers
I thought those corpses are just poor scientists undergoing stages of infections before becoming sleepers
keen mantle
Okā¦ whatās the difference in corpses between scientists and KSO?
eternal talon
Okā¦ whatās the difference in corpses between scientists and KSO?
mostly clothing
livid grotto
Okā¦ whatās the difference in corpses between scientists and KSO?
the shoes
eternal talon
XD
keen mantle
XD
keen mantle
So where are the shoes then?
south lake
I wonder if NAM-V combined with the parasite causes thermal ramping in the cortex to trigger a kind of "hypothermia response"
past matrix
So where are the shoes then?
i ate them, sorry
south lake
Namely, feeling like you're burning up to the point you start stripping without thinking about it (which in a hypothermic situation would cause you to freeze to death, and is indeed a psychological symptom of hypothermia)
eternal talon
sleeper eggs
keen mantle
i ate them, sorry
Smhā¦
eternal talon
no thermal signature
livid grotto
So where are the shoes then?
when Schaeffer is hungry...
keen mantle
sleeper eggs
I find that image extremely disturbing XD
south lake
How do we know those are eggs and not deposits of ossified material/material consumed by the parasite?
livid grotto
bruh
south lake
"Bruh"-ing me when you're the one memeing, suggesting Schaeffer eats shoes? Get real.
south lake
You clearly have not seen polished marble or anything similar.
livid grotto
I would have gone with your pearls idea, but the veins on every ''rocks'' makes me more believe these are eggs
south lake
These would look pretty damn vein-like in orb form
past matrix
pretty sure at some point the devs have referred to them as eggs
south lake
Cool. Find the reference.
eternal talon
pretty sure at some point the devs have referred to them as eggs
parasites don't reproduce using eggs, do they?
knotty jolt
evangelion moment
livid grotto
that is true
past matrix
parasites don't reproduce using eggs, do they?
some do i think, albeit very small "eggs"
eternal talon
also if they were eggs, why no heat signature when corpse is still warm?
past matrix
#gtfo-ama-answers message here's what simon said 3/19
#gtfo-ama-answers message then what he said the next day
south lake
If anyone is in this channel, they've waived their right to not be spoiled.
eternal talon
If anyone is in this channel, they've waived their right to not be spoiled.
yep, in the channel description
past matrix
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/557204214833610753/5579627073165...
there was also this
livid grotto
anyways that's what I thought, eggs
south lake
Those are some pretty fucked eggs then, if a corpse's body temperature doesn't affect them.
livid grotto
frostty was right from the beginning š
eternal talon
frostty was right from the beginning š
just you wait tell someone brings up the topic of allens
past matrix
could be the eggs are a different model that they just plopped in there
past matrix
i still dont get the difference between aliens and allens
eternal talon
if we get an official name for them, i will stop calling them allens.
i promise you.
eternal talon
unblocked
south lake
Aliens are aliens, allens are aliens but different, is Frostty's reasoning, IIRC
Which I find asinine
eternal talon
i still dont get the difference between aliens and allens
the allens made the MWP, the data cubes, the artifacts, and sent the meteor to earth.
the aliens are them, AND the floaters, kraken, esc
they are all aliens
past matrix
could be the eggs are a different model that they just plopped in there
oh yeah and fun fact, they used to be in huge abundance when you killed an enemy
south lake
Frostty, that's literally the same thing as "Allens are aliens but different"
It's stupid
Just call them architects or something
eternal talon
Frostty, that's literally the same thing as "Allens are aliens but different"
i'm using allens as a specific term for this one species
architects would also work
south lake
The main reason I hate it is because people get confused
eternal talon
but i've been with allens for almost a year now so i have to stick with it.
south lake
All the time
eternal talon
sorry, it is the way.
south lake
Probably some kind of desert-based ivy or root structure that's weaseled its way through the stone.
Ivy especially is notorious for that kind of shit
It's why you uproot ivy the instant you see it growing on brickwork
Because otherwise it'll eventually worm its way through the stone
IIRC the "glue" it also uses to climb walls while it grows is also corrosive?
solar nova
Yes, it's alive.
eternal talon
yeah but it isnt something i'd expect from gtfo
i'd expect a static model
given its level of detail
south lake
I mean
solar nova
You're not wrong š
south lake
Have you seen preemies?
They're nothing but wrinkled, lumpy meat people
There's not much to detail
And don't even get me started on the eldritch horrors the lot of us are while we're still forming in the womb..
eternal talon
high detail pictures of the mainframe
eternal talon
also, why the fuck does insight have THREE warp gates, if they only have the one WMP?
seems kind of a waste of money
south lake
If that "Point A to Point A but in another dimension" theory ends up being fact
They probably had no choice
eternal talon
wdym?
solar nova
Because they have to tile different levels
solar nova
There's actually 4, too.
eternal talon
There's actually 4, too.
where is the last one?
solar nova
E1
south lake
Basically, if that multiversal theory is correct
solar nova
Yes, where the immortal spawns during code 4.
south lake
Certain, specific physical points in the world would correspond to the same exact points coordinate-wise in the other universes
And it would be far more cost-effective and energy efficient to just transport from those connected points
eternal talon
You can't get to X 0.0, Y 0.0 by jumping from X 587.5, Y 927.2
they do though. thats why it was complicated. its both
south lake
Rather than trying to fling yourself there from somewhere entirely different
eternal talon
they are traveling from location A-B in one dimension
south lake
You completely missed the point.
eternal talon
AND traveling from A dimension to B dimension
south lake
You're not jumping from Location A to Location B
south lake
Alright, forget it.
eternal talon
this picture is hilarious to me for some reason
solar nova
A possible in-lore explanation is that the warp gates need to be used for regular supply transport.
So they want to have multiple.
eternal talon
also, weird allen runes on the cables
they move around like a lava lamp
this is just for the c2 teleporter though, not the r6 ones
idk if the e1 teleporter has these runes
i didnt know that teleporter existed
burnt wren
I don't remember shotguns reticle being so bright...
livid grotto
this picture is hilarious to me for some reason
does you and your crew all bring spears? lmao
eternal talon
does you and your crew all bring spears? lmao
usually i run either spear or knife
spear if i am tryharding, knife if i want to have fun
livid grotto
very epic
finite vine
high detail pictures of the mainframe
it looks like a quantum computer.
finite vine
so what is the ādimensionā that stokes was talking about in her log?
like is it another universe or something like that
eternal talon
it is complicated
the MWP seems to do two things
- teleports the user(s) to a physical location in our dimension
2)transports the user(s) to a different frequency of reality (kind of? i still only partially understand this).
essentially,
if we flew a rocket to destination, it would be a completely different place to the place we go to with the MWP
it is destination in a different universe
and if we flew from that destination to earth, earth would also be a completely different place
it wouldn't be our earth
the fundamental rules of.. well everything could be different
its to do with the frequencies of the universe
for example
an singer at an opera can shatter glass by singing at the right tone
the destination we travel to with the MWP, is a completely different universe seperated from ours by a certain frequency
there are potentially infinite of these "frequency universes" that have all been existing simultaneously since the big bang.
each individual tiny spec of us, is vibrating at a certain frequency
the frequency of our universe
the MWP is essentially manipulating that into a copy of Destinations', so that we will become a part of that universe and will perceive it
does that many any sense, skyrope?
durants' seeds did dry and decay due to time dilation, not the atmosphere.
but not because of gravity
but a fundamental constant in that universe
if i am understanding it correctly
bishop according to calculations, was on Destination for TWO YEARS before he got teleported back to earth
whereas in earth time, it was only a couple weeks
the ENTIRE angled line is the teleport
over the course of a few seconds
and as time progresses, the delay should only increase
finite vine
so it is the same universe, just separate time lines?
eternal talon
as the two timelines get further and further apart
eternal talon
so it is the same universe, just separate time lines?
the planets and everything, the locations are the same
yes.
the contents of those locations and laws of the universe are different
without the whole timeline thing, the WMP would just teleport us to destination in our universe
we wouldn't see the allens, the infected, nam-v, the floaters, anything. it could be a completely different world
finite vine
cool. how did u come to that conclusion? I would think its just a different universe.
eternal talon
and is, given there could be infinite variations of these world lines
eternal talon
cool. how did u come to that conclusion? I would think its just a different univ...
hours and hours of talking in this channel above
most of it is coolbeanz
i dont take credit here
because i dont understand half of it, honestly
finite vine
cool. how did u come to that conclusion? I would think its just a different univ...
because in the log, stokes says "a different universe with a separate set of universal laws".
eternal talon
yes
finite vine
yea, but you cant have a separate set of universal laws in a different timeline, that exists in our universe.
eternal talon
the coordinates for destination recieved from ef01 that we translated is for a location in our universe
destination exists in both, but we arent going to our version of destination
if that makes sense
finite vine
yea but how could you have a different set of universal laws while still being in the same, original universe?
eternal talon
its a seperate universe in the context of it being inherently different, but between ours and theirs, the planets or destination at minimum, is the same
finite vine
also what coordinates?
eternal talon
also what coordinates?
to the butterfly nebula
finite vine
how do we know that came from ef01? i thought it came from a random log on the santonian website with no context
eternal talon
how do we know that came from ef01? i thought it came from a random log on the s...
coolbeanz and others were talking about something like a "data blast" 1 second
finite vine
its a seperate universe in the context of it being inherently different, but bet...
also I think by saying "universal laws" stokes is referring to the laws of physics, weak and strong force, gravity, stuff like that.
eternal talon
please scroll up, i can not summarize everything
this is thousands of messages
^
eternal talon
also I think by saying "universal laws" stokes is referring to the laws of physi...
and yes, but the primary thing with this universe is time
with infinite variation of these world lines, it wouldnt surprise me if stuff like gravity was different
finite vine
also where are u finding the logs? most of them are not on the wiki or notion
eternal talon
because its infinite
eternal talon
also where are u finding the logs? most of them are not on the wiki or notion
which ones
finite vine
the stokes log about the mwp
eternal talon
i do all my own research in-game for the most part.
i can link you that, 1 sec
i have a screenshot
finite vine
nice, thanks
finite vine
"quantum frequency" never heard of that term before
eternal talon
i believe it is a term made-up for the game
based on quantum physics
with each of these worldlines being different by FREQUENCY
which is why its called that
finite vine
I don't think she says that the ef01 data burst revealed the coordinates for destination though. just the quantum frequency
eternal talon
that is something beanz mentioned
i have no idea
though it does say it needs a superposition in our universe
so probably our version of destination
for us to teleport to the allens'
so we couldn't say teleport into some giant alien superstructure, if it didn't also exist in our universe
all of our teleports put us on the bare sand, never on any sort of fluid terrain
aside from maybe dx, but that is human-made
finite vine
i'm mostly confused about how superposition could teleport something.
eternal talon
i'm mostly confused about how superposition could teleport something.
its the matter wave projector
moving our matter into the different version of destination by changing our waves that make us together
it projects us to destination by changing the waves our matter is made of
eternal talon
it projects us to destination by changing the waves our matter is made of
that makes far more sense as a sentince
the superposition is its imputs
its telling it where to send us
the data cubes are probably more relevant information to lock in on the location and world line to send us to.
since it requres 3,
1 being the world line, 1 being the frequency, and 1 being the location
but thats just a theory
a GTFO theory
remember, this isnt' something we would ever understand, fuck, i didnt think we would even understand as much as this about world lines and stuff
the MWP was made by an ancient civilization millions of times more advanced than humanity
finite vine
its the matter wave projector
yea true. "superposition" is just a mathematical concept. its just two wave functions added to make another valid wave function. "superposition" is not really a physical thing. its a mental thing. its knowledge. for example, if you have a measured particle, and it splits into two particles that are quantumly entangled and you measure one particle, you immediately know the measurement of the other, because they were quantumly entangled. if you measure the wave function of each particle and add them, you are making a superposition. so by creating this superposition, you are not doing anything physical at all.
its hard to explain and understand, but its not really a physical process. that's why there must be another mechanism at play that actually transports the people within the projection radius.
eternal talon
i'm not sure of radius,
but its fairly easy to say that Insights' warp gates would be nothing but sitting piles of scrap metal without the MWP
finite vine
well you have to be within the MWP "projection radius" to be transported. you can hear stokes say "keep everyone within the projection radius" during the ef01 audio log.
eternal talon
i thought you meant operational range
which should be theoretically infinite
mb
since all it needs to work is a place somewhere to send ya and a certain frequency to modify yours to.
finite vine
well then what are the warp gates used for? it looks like they are used to amplify the projection radius
& use the data cubes
eternal talon
well then what are the warp gates used for? it looks like they are used to ampli...
i would think to power up the mwp to make it more consistant
since without them, Insight lost an entire lab and literally half of their equipment
just "vaporized"
finite vine
ah true. so the warp gates are probably used to control the MWP better and to direct the projection radius in a more convenient spot.
eternal talon
so probably teleported to some far-flung place god knows where
and it does teleport us randomly in levels like a1, b1, and a ton others
it is really inconsistent when not hooked up to a warp gate
one thing this stuff has me thinking about is the explosion
finite vine
the real question is, what is teleporting us when there is a matter wave collapse? there is usually no MWP in sight when that happens.
eternal talon
since if it was related to hammerstein playing frequencies down in the inner
eternal talon
the real question is, what is teleporting us when there is a matter wave collaps...
i have no idea, the data cubes teleport us when we pick them up also
though they are always temporary
and we eventually phase back into our universe
my best bet would be something to do with the Crystals on Destination
since they also allow the Floaters to teleport
since the WMP is powered directly by one
finite vine
yep
eternal talon
if changing frequencies with the allen tech can warp us into seperate world lines,
and the inner is entirely allen tech and what not,
what the fuck did hammerstein do
and was it just dumb luck
since he talks about just playing random frequencies of sound to try and find out which ones the infected react to most.
lost coyote
Why Wood 
?
eternal talon
Why Wood <:DaudaPing:850845129156853770> ?
WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056
Isaiah Woods was a religious man of honor and courage who saw too much.
The brutality of combat changed him from a spiritual man to a ticking time bomb.
When his fuse finally burned down, he went on a rampage and justified it as divine retribution for the evils he saw around him.
Even now, with no memory of the carnage he wrought, he feels the presence of God flowing through him. Some fires burn too deep to smother.
excerpt from GTFOLFD
this is an official statement on the devs website on each characters backstory
i have them all in the LFD doc
lost coyote
God damn so we're all playing a god complex psychopath ex mil
eternal talon
God damn so we're all playing a god complex psychopath ex mil <:DaudaPing:850845...
go give the lore for dummies a read,
it explains the majority of the lore aside from gameplay stuff (everything pre-apocalypse)
here is a copy
r7 villager and warden have a rundown summary for the "post-apocalypse" lore in the pins of this channel aswell
lost coyote
here is a copy
lost coyote
Hmm So Bishop is not an actual bad guy
Just a wrong guy in a wrong place at a wrong time
Poor man
eternal talon
well i mean he did blackmail his boss..
his boss just happened to be not the kind of man you'd ever want to mess with
south lake
Yeah, Bishop's an example of why you don't try to blackmail shady megacorporations.
lost coyote
well i mean he did blackmail his boss..
yah but i mean..Comparing that to the level of craziness from Wood
eternal talon
hackett's story is tragic
shot and killed his mother and brother accidentally
can't feel emotion or sadness
willingly turned himself in to project legion to try and fix himself
lost coyote
r8...Bishop revenge
eternal talon
r8...Bishop revenge <:FingerGuns:842454466946007040>
they are all long dead
keep reading and you'll see why
shit gets out of hand fast
eternal talon
doesn't really matter specifically, if not then, they are all by now
finite vine
yea its starting to seem that way
eternal talon
to be fair, all of humanity was slated to be dead about 3 years before when the game takes place in 2063,
so 110% dead
according to state of truth radio
finite vine
it is honestly hard to believe that Davies didn't have a backup plan though. He probably knew about NAM-V before anyone, and he was the CEO of the richest monopoly in the world.
eternal talon
it is honestly hard to believe that Davies didn't have a backup plan though. He ...
there isn't really anything you can do about a bioweapon like nam-v
finite vine
bioweapon?
eternal talon
the thing was designed by aliens so far ahead of humans... and even they got wiped out by it
eternal talon
bioweapon?
we talked about it about a week ago
eternal talon
the assumptions...
its not, i'll get the log
south lake
Dauda straight up says in the log that NAM-V was designed to be as infectious as possible in all scenarios, all but confirming that it's a bioweapon.
lost coyote
So when could we choose the character we want tho
NGL I kinda find Hackett interesting
eternal talon
ty edeon
i was looking for the posts by our 3 year major
about it being near impossible to be made naturally
its the e1 log btw, skyrope
finite vine
Oh yea I remember that conversation. Yea it does seem like it, but Dauda didn't seem too sure of it himself either.
south lake
If the infectivity of the virus was of natural progression, he wouldn't say it was designed. He instead would have said evolved. And he especially wouldn't assume bioweapon if he wasn't sure.
finite vine
true
south lake
Assuming something's a bioweapon is a great way to cause mass panic and/or get got by Santonian or Kovac spooks wanting to keep it under wraps to avoid mass panic
eternal talon
<:BishopPing:851911801775980544> So when could we choose the character we want t...
we've never been able to. it's always in the order of the players who join the lobby. hackett is always player 3.
south lake
I won't lie, it would be nice to be able to pick what character we play as, as host
lost coyote
we've never been able to. it's always in the order of the players who join the l...
L4D2 can do it. I believe devs can
south lake
Don't forget Payday 2 as well.
lost coyote
Pd2 crossover when 
south lake
Never.
lost coyote
Ah actually The payday gang would be so old til that point
south lake
This game isn't one you slap crossovers on like it's some comic book universe
finite vine
I wonder how long Schaeffer has been out of Hydrostasis for. Why hasn't he gotten NAM-V symptoms yet?
To be fair, we dont know the incubation time of NAM-V, or really how long it takes to kill people.
eternal talon
I wonder how long Schaeffer has been out of Hydrostasis for. Why hasn't he gotte...
realistically he should have, and he should have died by now
depending on when r5 is compared to now
finite vine
R4
south lake
It's possible that Schaeffer's able to slip into some maintenance tunnels or whatever that the Sleepers can't
south lake
And in so doing is able to avoid large pockets of infection
finite vine
It's possible that Schaeffer's able to slip into some maintenance tunnels or wha...
yea but NAM-V is airborne
finite vine
which we STILL dont have an answer for
I mean there are a few things we don't have answers for
eternal talon
And in so doing is able to avoid large pockets of infection
hsu doesn't cure it, it only slows it down
south lake
True, but you're far, far more likely to catch a virus being thrown around by live bodies than one floating idly in the air
eternal talon
it will start right back up when they leave hsu
well yeah but i'm saying he probably already has it
south lake
That was to Skyrope
eternal talon
after KDS deep he was in the wardens' hands
south lake
And, from what I remember the virus dies if the infected is left in Hydrostasis.
lost coyote
I wonder is it possible for the boiis to get their memories back tho ? @eternal talon
south lake
I remember a log saying something along those lines.
eternal talon
I wonder is it possible for the boiis to get their memories back tho ? <@3856122...
we already know they do to some extent
but not fully
finite vine
True, but you're *far, far* more likely to catch a virus being thrown around by ...
"Subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still contracted the virus"
south lake
I wonder is it possible for the boiis to get their memories back tho ? <@3856122...
Yes. The last two members of the group very much are, is the assumption
Given their blatant psychological instability in the menu
And the mutterings
finite vine
NAM-V can also survive for weeks on surfaces. I wonder if the sleepers have NAM-V in them, or the fog.
eternal talon
NAM-V can also survive for weeks on surfaces. I wonder if the sleepers have NAM-...
sleepers obviously do
and the fog does
lost coyote
we already know they do to some extent
Yeah I know It's just a brief moment. But you can see some of them try to hit their head with their hand sometimes in the Lobby. Something is fucking with their memories
eternal talon
we solved the "toxic fog theory"
with that e1 log
it is nam-v particulates in the air
"fomites"
to be specific
south lake
Yeah I know It's just a brief moment. But you can see some of them try to hit th...
That's more a sign of psychological instability (they can't remember everything, just bits and pieces) than of something actively fucking with their memories
finite vine
and the fog does
yea but NAM-V cant just survive in the fog forever. something has to be releasing the NAM-V. possibly spitters?
eternal talon
yea but NAM-V cant just survive in the fog forever. something has to be releasin...
the sleepers
south lake
They can recall parts, but not all of it because that's.. just how amnesia works.
Amnesia is a very frustrating condition to have
eternal talon
it survives in the parasite, and makes it survive for an "unknown period, perhaps indefinitely"
lost coyote
They can recall parts, but not all of it because that's.. just how amnesia works...
Wood gets his PTSD from god and decides to kill the other 3
south lake
I don't think that's likely.
Especially since the crew keeps getting stuffed back into HSUs between missions.
eternal talon
here is an cross-post:
Sleepers are the final product of a NAM-V - Parasite infestation. NAM-V is extremely infectious and has a lethality rate of 100%.
Sleepers are created by the Parasite with NAM-V present. The Parasite was originally a victim of NAM-V and over time they have formed a Symbiotic relationship, with the Virus keeping the Parasite alive and active for undefined lengths of time, perhaps forever.
This allows NAM-V to maintain its hyper lethality without burning itself out of food or fuel to continue spreading, often hibernating for tens of thousands if not millions of years between outbreaks.
NAM-V also has a multipronged attack strategy, making it incredibly difficult to fight against and lending credence to the idea that it is not natural in origin and was some form of creation or bioweapon developed by the Ancient Allens.
south lake
And we have no idea how long the time period is between missions
It could be hours, days, even weeks or months
eternal talon
true
the only thing we have in terms of relative time is r3 taking place in 2063
though with the WRDN twitter that is cannon
we can know when every rundown takes place
south lake
*Canon
eternal talon
and can estimate time in HSU
south lake
Cannons are a completely different thing. š
eternal talon
south lake
Sorry, just.. kind of a peeve of mine. Doesn't come up often.
Canon, like the camera.
eternal talon
i am so disappointed we got nothing new in terms of physical stuff from the allens
leaving me 2 rundowns and an extension in with nothing to look at but a big sandstone rock
south lake
I don't think we will unless we weasel our way into Kovac-locked areas. Didn't they swipe and lock away anything pertaining to them?
eternal talon
I don't think we will unless we weasel our way into Kovac-locked areas. Didn't t...
yes
the allen autopsy
the first sleeper in the complex
they took it away then denied its existance
south lake
Yeah, and stuff like that you don't leave laying around your figurative doorstep
They would've buried it deep within their assigned zones
eternal talon
Yeah, and stuff like that you don't leave laying around your figurative doorstep
to be fair, a giant ass rock isn't really something that was left on the doorstep
south lake
Not what I meant.
I was talking about Kovac taking the autopsy/data and the first Sleeper
eternal talon
yeah
south lake
You wouldn't just shove that into a one-door-deep zone and call it good and secure
You'd take that shit waaaaaaaay into the back where no one can find it
eternal talon
i just want to either 1) see more ruins on destination, or 2) go to the inner
either way, more allen stuff in-game
rather than just logs
south lake
And, honestly
south lake
To someone untrained in archaeolinguistics or whatever the field's called, the stuff on that rock would just look like some random scratchings that you'd probably assume were from some long-dead civilization on earth
We've had quite a few of them, after all
south lake
Yes but there's subfields.
Some specialize in dead languages, some specialize in digging up the dead.
Others specialize in recognizing architecture or artifacts from dead civilizations.
It's all Archaeology, but it's not a one-size-fits-all, last I checked.
Not when you're getting into specifics, at least
eternal talon
the runes on the cables in the teleporter room in c2 is kinda fucky
they move like a lava lamp
south lake
How do we know those are runes?
eternal talon
they just look.. weird
i dunno
i should have taken a video
instead of pictures
south lake
There's no discernable pattern to them that I can see that might indicate a language
eternal talon
it's like ontop of the cables
it's mesmerizing
it genuinely looks like the inside of a lava lamp in-game when looking at it
it's just weird looking that the only thing i can think of to describe them as is runes
i dont know if there is a word to describe this type of thing
south lake
It looks like it might just be meant to represent raw data flowing, or something along those lines
It reminds me more of a Defrag screen than any language I can think of.
eternal talon
what's a defrag screen?
south lake
Oh boy. Have you ever defragged your hard drive?
south lake
This is an example of a Defrag screen.
eternal talon
what and the fuck
south lake
Over time, data on hard drives (and to a lesser extent SSDs) gets "fragmented"
eternal talon
south lake
Or in layman's terms, becomes messy and disorganized.
Defragging reorganizes it, improving the drive's performance and speed.
Never defragging (or Optimizing, as it's called for SSDs) your drives can eventually lead to loss of important data, especially where SSDs are concerned because in order to write new data to cells, the SSD has to delete the data in that cell first
eternal talon
you can see some more of the stuff on the cables in this picture
i dont know what the hell it is
but its cool looking
south lake
Those are the Matter Wave Projector arms, aren't they?
eternal talon
to the middle
south lake
It could be either a kind of iridium-based fuel slurry meant to provide a catalyst for engaging the MWP
Or
It could be meant to represent interpretations of data being sent to the device. Positioning data, maybe?
The difference would be if those are cables or tubing
If tubing, it's some kind of slurry with a green glow to it
If cabling, I'm at a loss
eternal talon
they look like cables, you can see some wires running along side this one
south lake
Because that doesn't even remotely look like raw optic fiber cabling
south lake
Which is the only thing I can think of that would emit light like that
And even then, if you used raw, unshielded cabling like that
There would be ridiculous amounts of interference from even basic devices
It wouldn't even work
Even something as simple as a cellphone would fuck whatever signal that cabling is sending if it's unshielded
eternal talon
its weird
eternal talon
none of the other teleporters have this stuff
south lake
Electricity (and by extension, the signals) travel fast as hell in Optic Fiber cabling
Faster than you can see
eternal talon
you can see the cables if you look close at these pics
(sorry i dont have better ones)
but there is none of that green lava lamp stuff
south lake
Insight must have made some kind of progress with the teleporters
Before everything went to shit, I mean
It's the only explanation I can think of, because the teleporters aren't something that you could just dismantle and reassemble with the upgraded hardware
You would have to upgrade it after the fact
south lake
No, but not everything is going to change with upgrades or revisions
Just the bits that need upgrading/revising
Those cables could be a revision that improves its performance, or ensures quantum tunnel closure
Who knows
eternal talon
It's the only explanation I can think of, because the teleporters aren't somethi...
apparently there is another one of these in e1, so they've built at minimum 4 of these for some reason... despite only having 1 MWP
south lake
Maybe the cabling is part of that failsafe that forces the tunnel shut
And, that's really not that odd
A literal room sized device isn't something you just take apart and make better
past matrix
there should be several MWP's
south lake
More than likely the teleporter is embedded into the structural integrity of the room
eternal talon
there should be several MWP's
we only know of the one in the hammerstein collection though
the one we use in d1 is the same from b1
south lake
So if you were to actually dismantle the device proper, the room would probably collapse around it
eternal talon
the warden had to have sent another team to retrieve it
past matrix
we use one in c2
eternal talon
(i'm talking r6)
past matrix
ah i thought you were talking about r6 and r7 since you brought up e1
eternal talon
we know humans can't replicate it at least
eternal talon
ah i thought you were talking about r6 and r7 since you brought up e1
we were talking about there being 4 teleporters
and the weird lava lamp shit on the one in c2
past matrix
tbh i dont see why there wouldnt be four MWP's and four teleporters
finite vine
we know humans can't replicate it at least
well we donāt know that. they have been to destination a ton of times. they might of created more using the black crystals.
past matrix
or like the same number of mwp's and the same number of teleporters, I mean
eternal talon
well we donāt know that. they have been to destination a ton of times. they migh...
its not just the crystals
they use the data cubes
finite vine
yea true. those are more of a mystery.
eternal talon
and its clear insight didn't understand it, because THEY LOST AN ENTIRE LAB AND HALF OF THEIR ENTIRE STOCK OF EQUIPMENT
that is a LOT
for a company who's sole purpose is research
finite vine
well that only happened like once
eternal talon
that's like the PC part market losing either AMD or Intel
finite vine
iām sure they got the hang of it. also there are probably multiple data cubes as well. we pick up a lot.
eternal talon
iām sure they got the hang of it. also there are probably multiple data cubes as...
we have picked up 6
and the mwp had 3 in it initially
to a total of 9
finite vine
3 more and we possibly have 4 working MWP
eternal talon
3 more and we possibly have 4 working MWP
we only know of the one
let me go look at the logs
1 sec
eternal talon
we know of two working MWP's
from where?
eternal talon
oh your right..
past matrix
was it like the WMP
finite vine
wdym wmp?
eternal talon
in the logs
finite vine
oh.
past matrix
if there was only one MWP then that would kinda suck
finite vine
well we know that there is 100% one MWP, because we have held it. But there is nothing to differentiate one from the āotherā if there are multiple
past matrix
well we know that there is 100% one MWP, because we have held it. But there is n...
we find the second MWP in a random zone we never went into in R6, that no other squad had gone into previously
finite vine
we find the second MWP in a random zone we never went into in R6, that no other ...
ah good point
eternal talon
whatever that means
and it says that they tried to conduct a material analysis on artifact 13 and that's what made them lost their equipment
past matrix
they could have found more of them afterwards, id assume
eternal talon
its weird
because the MWP totally seems like a 1-of
since it is modified by insight
with a shell and stuff
to make it compatible with the warp gates they built
it's slightly contradictory
since we know they dont fully understand allen tech
south lake
and it says that they tried to conduct a material analysis on artifact 13 and th...
Sounds like A13 reacted with something in the analysis.
eternal talon
yet they understand enough to make multiple of the same item?
given that it is indeed salvaged tech, but still
south lake
I wonder if maybe there's some kind of hyper-reactive material in *A13.
Like how Sodium in its raw metallic form combusts upon contact with atmospheric oxygen.
eternal talon
its a data block, so something to do with the data cubes seems extremely likely
though it's only one "data block"
yet 9 data cubes
south lake
Technically they still are, regardless of if the block is taken apart.
eternal talon
and not artifact 13a, 13b, esc esc
though i guess it could be
now thinking about it
south lake
Giving them subdesignators like that would probably just muddy up the paperwork and confuse staff
eternal talon
well for something like this it'd be extremely important