or not mentally well
#gtfo-lore
real pewter
imagine i locked you in a building full of monster for months
topaz flare
about scheaffer
real pewter
would you go insane?
topaz flare
would you go insane?
scheaffer was not mentally well from the start
the work app confirmed this
a guy even asked why they let him in
dim scroll
imagine i locked you in a building full of monster for months
Can't talk, nothing to eat
As schaeffer you might know that many of them are humans
eternal talon
And when was this? We have never "seen" Schaeffer period
eternal talon
Can't talk, nothing to eat
In one of schaeffers pre-kso logs, he talks about the cantine being infested with sleepers, so there has to be something for them to eat to be there. Not to mention the many, many greenhouses in the floodworks
We've also seen stuff like pumpkins growing in b1
4-5 was. R2 and R3 had us working with a neonate, though we abandon the project at the end of r3 as we have to leave it behind as we escape
Sort of. Warden is always online. Biocom is also. Biocom is just running the same executable over and over again (since it would seem that is the only thing it can do to try and restore control to its systems) and WRDN is ALT+F4ing (so to say) that executable every time it gets close to completion
Biocom knows it is being pupetted, but can't do anything about it
It has used us recklessly before in levels like r6c3 where we are literally just a distraction, and the new level in r7 others have mentioned where we drop in with no supplies. Yes we are insanely valuable, but I don't think it really cares
dim scroll
In one of schaeffers pre-kso logs, he talks about the cantine being infested wit...
Hmmm yes
let's eat grass
Seriously unless he found rations idk what the hell he could eat
Heating up would alert the sleeper (supposedly they can sense temperature ?)
eternal talon
This depends on timeline. If priority missions take place before the optional ones. But for the most part, I agree. It is a bit funky since Schaeffer doesn't start hijacking until d1
eternal talon
let's eat grass
There are pumpkins and probably other fruits and such
Not quite grass
Or he'd be having a cow...
XD
If you wait out the 20 minute error, the overload terminals aren't alarmed
You just sorta get up high on boxes and shelves where they can't reach you and AFK
Worked for me
Source? I don't remember hearing that at all.
When
keen mantle
In the Opening cage drop of E1?
eternal talon
here is the entire audio sequence from drop, to when schaeffer is done talking
he says he is essentially tricking the warden
into giving you their orders, rather than its own
dim scroll
@eternal talonBro calm down with the pings 💀
eternal talon
he isnt in full control
eternal talon
<@385612298045358082>Bro calm down with the pings 💀
i was up until 2 am.
i missed the entire morning conversation
so i responded to everything
as i usually do
timber nebula
||all im gonna say is the baby we carry is the warden's baby, change my mind||
eternal talon
you do not need spoiler tags here
timber nebula
figured id be nice just in case
eternal talon
also no, there are god knows how many of the neonates.
it was an entire project like legion before the apocalypse
at minimum, we know of 23 of them
timber nebula
im only getting into the lore as of recent so still learning most of it
eternal talon
give the "gtfo lore for dummies" in the pins a read. it explains the majority of the pre-apocalypse lore
and there is another doc in the pins, by warden that is a summary of all expeditions we play in-game post-apocalypse
timber nebula
i know a decent bit but not like alot if you get me
eternal talon
yeah
they are both super-compact documents designed to give you as much lore as possible with as little time as possible
or at least mine is
the GTFOLFD fits about 15-20 years of lore into 5-6 paragraphs
timber nebula
most the time since R4 just kinda read a log here or there thats really it just played it for the game. not lore if you get me but since the story is getting more in depth figured id try learn a bit
eternal talon
um.. @harsh saffron meet me in gtfo-voice 20
i have found something interesting
also, what is the company OMNECO?
solar nova
also, what is the company OMNECO?
Manufacturer for the HEL Gun and the HEL Rifle.
eternal talon
Manufacturer for the HEL Gun and the HEL Rifle.
ray, meet me in gtfo-20
these omneco boxes have funky collision
un-jumpable
solar nova
burnt wren
Btw
Had anyone noticed that cars in new biome make no sense?
The weird cubic trucks they haver everywhere
Every time I check they seem to be so out of place
As in: the area is not open or large enough to drive it around
The floodways and their cargo cars don't have this issue btw, because roads are fairly open and there are giant doors everywhere, even if the are perma-clossed.
But gardens' trucks are just ridiculous. These scientists are the laziest people on earth.
solar nova
Had anyone noticed that cars in new biome make no sense?
This sounds like a certified marker moment.
solar nova
The only dupe I took notice of was the exact same log in D1 and D2 about KSOs and c-foam. Double checking and looks like this is also a dupe.
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.high_core/APirosA134.flagged
From: Anders Johanson A029
To: Andre Piros A134
Date: August 08th 2053
Subject:
Unless you get approached about this matter, no further action is needed on your part.
Anders.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/AJohansonA029.flagged
Mr Johanson,
On August 8th at 07:48 a Santonian employee was discovered in the hydrostasis unit storage area
Mr. Piros has advised me of your request for more Kovac involvement in future expeditions. The current approach to operative debriefing, situation training, and resource management will not scale well for your proposed usage. However, we do have a command system that will fit your needs.
BIOCOM. Managing operations through BIOCOM would ensure full coverage for all future expeditions, coordinate additional stationed security posts throughout the facility, and provide round the clock protection or surveillance for all POIs within the theatre of operation (currently Garganta itself and the red zone on the peninsula). BIOCOM is a DI that will take control of resource tracking, supply management, objective specific training, operative briefing, and rapid response deployment.
That's the pitch done. The long and the short of it is BIOCOM handles things better than any human can. It doesn't sleep, doesn't make bad decisions based on compassion, and unlike human COs, has a 100% success rate for all fifteen of its deployments (if you need to know more, we'll have to do some paperwork). It still requires human oversight to handle some of the more sensitive ethical considerations, but even that can be pre-programmed to fit your ruleset.
It would take a few months to transition over. We should start now.
Anders Johanson
Is it just me, or is this log not finished?
Mr Johanson,
On August 8th at 07:48 a Santonian employee was discovered in the hydrostasis unit storage area
It appears to cut off the actual log and transition to an old log about BIOCOM at this point.
@dull crest
solar nova
They have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting up an experiment to project a range of frequencies throughout the lower levels of Garganta to see which ones draw the most attention.
``` Hmmm, interesting date.Coincides with the explosion and early biosignature detection events.
burnt wren
Hmm.
The latter part is self explanatory... But what the explosion had to do with it?...
Did... Did he awoke so many sleepers that they triggered something inside the derelict?
past matrix
```
They have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting ...
yea I think Dak was theorizing earlier that it could be the cause of an explosion
burnt wren
Or he triggered something else besides the sleepers...
knotty jolt
```
They have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting ...
Didnt some of the workers report not being able to sleep because of a certain "sound"?
solar nova
Didnt some of the workers report not being able to sleep because of a certain "s...
p sure that's NAM-V related.
subtle verge
Yes, that would be NAM-V related. Rebecca Stokes, August Teale, and Jordy (RIP #1) mention hearing sounds, or react to sounds that aren't there, in some of their audio/written logs; and we've come to know that NAM-V affects the psyche tremendously.
eternal talon
these aren't normal plants (look at thermals)
burnt wren
I don't see anything out of ordinary
eternal talon
knotty jolt
But theres this theme of "sleeping" in the lore
HSUs, sleepers, etc
HSUs makes you come out fucked up. Usually memory loss or you end up like Maddox without proper procedure
In one of the logs they mention that in alpha 0's dimension, time passes 80 times faster than in our own
The whole point of HSUs is to preserve someone for an extended period of time
What if thats the point of the matter wave projector?
Our dimension is just their giant ass HSU
eternal talon
In one of the logs they mention that in alpha 0's dimension, time passes 80 time...
wdym "80 times"
knotty jolt
1s here = 80s there
eternal talon
how do you know that
knotty jolt
Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant’s quantum frequency
R7 log
Stokes
rocky wraith
In one of the logs they mention that in alpha 0's dimension, time passes 80 time...
Which log???
knotty jolt
Stokes
Okay, so, I just checked the quantum signature from E-F-Zero-One. Now we only got a 5 millisecond data burst, but it gave us something to work with at least. The frequency rate of the tether during those 5 milliseconds is different to the frequency rate of the tether in the moments before we initiated the jump.
[3.1 second silence]
Stokes
The frequency is different. The frequency is different!
[1.7 second silence]
Stokes
I mean, assuming this data is correct - and even if our equipment were damaged in some way it wouldn’t give us false readings, it would give us nothing - but assuming it is correct that means wherever Dr Durant and his team ended up, their clocks would be running faster.
[2.6 second silence]
Stokes
It’s not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant’s time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant’s quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
On the wik8
2CB-5U8-DBK
rocky wraith
so that explains the growth on E1
eternal talon
its time dilation we've know this since r6
burnt wren
And it explains a dead plant in R6
knotty jolt
It also debunks alpha 0 being on mars
eternal talon
it's been debunked for a long time
rocky wraith
we know destination takes place on a planet in the butterfly nebula
eternal talon
i haven't seen anyone say that in a long time
knotty jolt
Like the inner is just their equivalent of an HSU chamber
Hey just send people over to preserve them
eternal talon
Like the inner is just their equivalent of an HSU chamber
the inner is on earth
rocky wraith
no?
eternal talon
its in the meteor
eternal talon
no it doesnt
knotty jolt
What does the matter wave projector do?
eternal talon
the inner is a physical location
eternal talon
What does the matter wave projector do?
teleports people to destination
knotty jolt
Its a chamber in the meteor
knotty jolt
a planet in the butterfly nebula
Wait where is the log for this
eternal talon
Wait where is the log for this
on the santonian website
not in game
we had to decode it
back in r6.5
months ago
it was huge news
knotty jolt
Can u link it i wanna read
eternal talon
there is nothing to read
the entire log is just the coords
1 sec
it is literally just this
there is no message
it is all cipher
knotty jolt
Wait so wheres the decoded thing
solar nova
Lore database is up to date excluding audio logs.
knotty jolt
What coordinate system is it?
eternal talon
you'd have to ask @rich blaze
solar nova
I may be missing a log from Alpha 6
eternal talon
@solar nova can you post the process to solving it for mac?
rocky wraith
I may be missing a log from Alpha 6
was that the C2 one?
solar nova
Yeah
eternal talon
we have it
rocky wraith
I have the screenshot for it
eternal talon
me and beanz died for it
rocky wraith
I'll send it
rocky wraith
knotty jolt
It says butterfly nebula right there
rocky wraith
knotty jolt
It says butterfly nebula in the description
knotty jolt
17 13 44.211 -37 06 15.94
I just looked it up
Interesting but also doesnt this kinda conflict with stokes' logs?
eternal talon
Interesting but also doesnt this kinda conflict with stokes' logs?
how so?
knotty jolt
He talks about the place being in a different dimension
eternal talon
no?
knotty jolt
2MD-N3H-SYH
Stokes
We traditionally over complicate quantum superposition. At its most basic, it is just a simple addition of two states to create a new position. However, this simplification relies on an assumed consistency of universal physical law. It understands time on a linear scale, and a given quantum superposition is true in that instance only
[2.3 second silence]
Stokes
But what if we look beyond that? What if the waves that meet and create new superpositions are not from the same timeline? Time has always been the division. They cannot meet as they occured at a different time, but what if that law is only true while dimensionally restricted? If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension.
[3.0 second silence]
Stokes
And if the differentiator between these dimensions is the quantum frequency, that dimension’s perception of the passage of time, in theory that identical superposition could happen an infinite number of times and, in theory, might even have some predictability. If something is predictable, it can be prepared for. A mechanic can be devised to control and manipulate it. If you know where a particle is going to be in your dimension, you can monitor that superposition for quantum frequency variations and record other timelines. Perhaps the Matter Wave Projector does exactly this. It tethers itself to a superposition that will happen in the future, and when that moment arrives, it switches waves and continues a new journey, in a new frequency, with a new set of universal laws.
[2.8 second silence]
Stokes
This would explain why some teleported artifacts appear to enmesh with each other. Matter from different dimensions could get amalgamated or, or enmeshed as it occupies identical space-time for an instance. Chaos. Unpredictability from a predictable occurence.
Also this
Stokes
It’s not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant’s time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant’s quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
Stokes
I want to scream but I don’t have the energy. There are places that pass through time at a different rate. This is multi-dimensional physics. This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or
[6.7 second silence]
eternal talon
beanz is having an aneurism explaining the matter wave projector
expect 9 paragraphs
subtle verge
Lore database is up to date excluding audio logs.
Thanks, Ray!
eternal talon
Interesting but also doesnt this kinda conflict with stokes' logs?
so if i understood correctly,
it is different timelines
the wave matter projecter translates us to both 1) the location and 2) our sonic frequency to match destinations'
if we flew to destination in a normal way, it would be a completely different place
subtle verge
So going by the metric of 1s = 85s, that would mean that in the week that Bishop went with Durant's team and came back alone, he was on EF01 for an equivalent of approximately 595 earth days.
eternal talon
and there are countless different timelines that have always existed
subtle verge
Plus or minus.
eternal talon
at different frequencies
and the wave matter is translating us both physically and changing the fabric of our matter to get there
like how an opera can shatter class
because of frequency
we are both teleporting and changing the dimention of our composition to get there
rocky wraith
"mechanic can be devised to control and manipulate it. If you know where a particle is going to be in your dimension, you can monitor that superposition for quantum frequency variations and record other timelines. Perhaps the Matter Wave Projector does exactly this. It tethers itself to a superposition that will happen in the future, and when that moment arrives, it switches waves and continues a new journey, in a new frequency, with a new set of universal laws."
knotty jolt
Rightt so we're ending up in a different dimension is the implication no?
knotty jolt
Stokes
It’s not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum f...
From here
Theres nothing in the butterfly nebula that can cause that sort of dilation no?
rocky wraith
Essentially, like a train switching tracks using the bridging superposition.
knotty jolt
Right I understand what stokes is saying
I read it
Im saying the other train track isnt in our universe
Alpha zero isnt in our universe
As in "a new set of universal laws"
eternal talon
you use the mwp to go to destination, and you teleport to that planet, but it is in a different dimention in a universe sense. if you then flew to earth after using the MWP, you would find a completely different earth
rocky wraith
Theres nothing in the butterfly nebula that can cause that sort of dilation no?
Changes in gravity and speed can cause the identical effects through general and special relativity
past matrix
something i never understood was - isnt the butterfly nebula supposed to be like unfathomably hot
rocky wraith
its not clear in log
rocky wraith
But theres nothing jn the butterfly nebula
not quite
eternal talon
thats just where the allens were in that plain of existance that figued it out and made the tech were
rocky wraith
it is implied that we now do not know whether the quantum frequency is universal throughout our universe
eternal talon
nothing special about that one system
rocky wraith
"This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or"
eternal talon
^
rocky wraith
basically because we cannot measure whether it really is a different universe
eternal talon
something i never understood was - isnt the butterfly nebula supposed to be like...
maybe not in that version of reality
its different
knotty jolt
not quite
Nqpkin paper math
You either have to be going at literally the soeed of light for 85:1
Or
eternal talon
something i never understood was - isnt the butterfly nebula supposed to be like...
temperature is relative
knotty jolt
Near something huge
rocky wraith
something i never understood was - isnt the butterfly nebula supposed to be like...
The heat could be explained by the observable difference in frequency. By increasing the quantum frequency of baryonic matter we would observe from an outside perspective of it being hot
eternal talon
Now we have been on alpha 0
alpha 0 isnt a place
knotty jolt
The star doesnt just dwarf the fucking sky
eternal talon
its a designation system for insight's bases on destination
knotty jolt
So its not huge OR we're far from it
You get the idea we've been on the other side of the MWP
The destination
So the time dilation isnt caused by relativity
Its caused by a different setof universal laws being applied
Which, i think, stokes is implying comes from us being in a different universe
rocky wraith
Its caused by a different setof universal laws being applied
thats what I'm saying
the log states the same
its a different quantum frequency
knotty jolt
Which comes from Durant's team being in a different dimension
rocky wraith
And we can't tell of being in a different universe
rocky wraith
He says it
who says?
eternal talon
durant doesnt
knotty jolt
Stokes
It’s not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum f...
Here
There are places that passes....
rocky wraith
Durant doesn't know about the difference in quantum frequencies
eternal talon
durant knows jack shit
eternal talon
he was talking about plants looking weird and the atmosphere
knotty jolt
Its stokes saying it not durant
rocky wraith
Stokes is a she if that's what you mean?
eternal talon
He says it
you said HE
knotty jolt
Stokes is implying this is a different universe
rocky wraith
Stokes is implying this is a different universe
read the end
knotty jolt
Thats why its called universal law---its literally in the name. A law that applies to a universe
rocky wraith
We would have no way of knowing the quantum frequency is constant throughout our universe
it is not a universal law that the frequency is constant
rocky wraith
thats what she is saying
knotty jolt
She also says the wave projector works by switching you ti a different dimension
Which, to me, sounds more like not being in the same universe
Like
Theres more mental hoops you nees to jump through
rocky wraith
She also says the wave projector works by switching you ti a different dimension
no, to a different frequency through a superposition
knotty jolt
To assume we're in the same universe still
Than there are if you just say
Matter wave project works by anchoring to a superposition in tbe future between two entangled wuantum waves from one dimension and another
Then at the superposition event, it switches to the other frequency
rocky wraith
yup
knotty jolt
What if the waves that meet and create new superpositions are not from the same timeline? Time has always been the division. They cannot meet as they occured at a different time, but what if that law is only true while dimensionally restricted? If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension.
rocky wraith
because the quantum frequency of the place is different it uses a superposition caused by the difference in frequency to match and create a tether
knotty jolt
dimensionally restricted
from a different dimension
our dimension
Its pretty heavily implies we're just going to a different dimension
rocky wraith
What if the waves that meet and create new superpositions are not from the same ...
Time is sketchy as fuck
rocky wraith
***our*** dimension
by our frequency
knotty jolt
Time is sketchy as fuck
Im literally quoting stokes
rocky wraith
Its pretty heavily implies we're just going to a different dimension
Stokes doesn't accept that tho
knotty jolt
Id say shes credible
rocky wraith
Stokes literally says "This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or""
knotty jolt
Stokes doesn't accept that tho
No theres a difference between her being shocked and rejecting it
Shes shocked by her discovery
She isnt rejecting it
rocky wraith
she proposes three different ideas
knotty jolt
Stokes literally says "This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the ...
Yeah the or its another uniberse, or here are multiple versions...
rocky wraith
not accepting any of them as the true one because there is no way of knowing
knotty jolt
she proposes three different ideas
And then she commits to one of the idea
rocky wraith
like the inability to tell the difference in special relativity and general relativity from a defined space
knotty jolt
That one being that we're switching dimensional tracks
eternal talon
i wouldn't say stokes is the be all end all. it's all allen tech. not human
she doesn't and can't fully understand it
rocky wraith
And then she commits to one of the idea
She doesn't tho????
knotty jolt
Yeah but stokes understands it better than any of us
rocky wraith
That one being that we're switching dimensional tracks
quote the exact part
knotty jolt
Stokes
We traditionally over complicate quantum superposition. At its most basic...
She does
This log comes after the other one
knotty jolt
"Wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension..."
It says it right there
Like
rocky wraith
and below it she then comes up with a contradictory idea
knotty jolt
The mwp is using superpositions between two frequencies EACH from DIFFERENT dimensions to ssitch one to the OTHER
rocky wraith
"This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or"
knotty jolt
"This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a an...
As i said
This log
Youre quoting from
Comes from a different log before
The log where she proposes 3 theories
Comes from when she JUST discovered time dilatiom effects
The log where she thworizes on MWP
Uses her PREVIOUS discovery
eternal talon
The log where she thworizes on MWP
theorizes
she doesnt know
nobody does
not fully
knotty jolt
As basis for her NEW theory on mwp
eternal talon
She sure knows more than we do
yes but that isnt saying much
given how advanced this stuff us
knotty jolt
Ok
eternal talon
thats like saying an amateur astronomer is a trusted source to someone who doesn't know astronomy at all, as compared to someone working at nasa
rocky wraith
Ok
There is no way to measure the difference in quantum frequency without actually being there in our universe to prove it is different
knotty jolt
Ok but stokes is the one at nasa and we're the amateur astronomer?
eternal talon
Ok but stokes is the one at nasa and we're the amateur astronomer?
thats not how that analogy works
she didnt make the tech
she doesnt fully understand how it works and cant replicate it
nobody at insight can
rocky wraith
The allens are nasa, she's the amatuer
eternal talon
The allens are nasa, she's the amatuer
^
knotty jolt
Then its
Nasa -> your astronomy prifessor -> you
The professor is still more credible
NONE of us is in garganta studying mwp
knotty jolt
She is
knotty jolt
If you discredit her
Then discredit your coordinate you found
Theyre both equally credible
rocky wraith
afaik there is only 1
rocky wraith
The coordinate is from a machine
knotty jolt
Uh huh what machine
rocky wraith
she is spouting IDEAS
knotty jolt
The machine built by us dumb humans that cant even build a mwp
rocky wraith
Uh huh what machine
A radio burst through the tether
knotty jolt
Oh its from the mwp?
rocky wraith
The machine built by us dumb humans that cant even build a mwp
The machines only juice the mwp
knotty jolt
Oh but what if our instruments for interpreting the radio burts is bad because we humans dont know how mwp works
rocky wraith
everything we do is to try and stabilise the tether, not create it
knotty jolt
So the coordinate is just fucked
rocky wraith
Oh but what if our instruments for interpreting the radio burts is bad because w...
then there would be no burst whatsoever
knotty jolt
We're amateur astronomers after all
rocky wraith
as said in the log
knotty jolt
Log is different its about quantum frequency
Youre talking radio burst
Through the tether
What if that instrument is fucky wucky
My point is we can sit here all day saying "but people are dumb or they could be wrong"
Or
rocky wraith
What if that instrument is fucky wucky
given that the radio burst was encoding a specific string of code
it didn't
knotty jolt
We can work with what we have given by people who are very clearly meant to be reliable sources of information
knotty jolt
given that the radio burst was encoding a specific string of code
Ok so where'd the string come from
Aliens?
The mwp?
What if the encoding is wrong
Again
rocky wraith
We can work with what we have given by people who are very clearly meant to be r...
But she isn't making a statement, she is esposing ideas that are all equally valid but unprovable till you measure the universe to see if the quantum frequency is constant or not
knotty jolt
Theres no point arguing a negative
rocky wraith
Ok so where'd the string come from
it literally came from efz01
knotty jolt
Theres no proof for it
rocky wraith
Theres no proof for it
it came from durant...
knotty jolt
it literally came from efz01
The e01 broadcasted, in human astronomical coordinates syntax, a string containning its coordinate relative to us
Which we then encoded with a machine
Ok
rocky wraith
they literally sent a scout through which sent back the coordinates. but the coordinates came back as compressed 85 times more than our own frequency. Which shows the difference in quantum frequency
knotty jolt
Oh but the scout is built by us
rocky wraith
light is constant
knotty jolt
How can the scout understand anything if its dumb
rocky wraith
quantum frequencies are not
knotty jolt
The scout is just an amateur tool built by amateur astrobomers
rocky wraith
How can the scout understand anything if its dumb
its a specific logic system, not dumb
rocky wraith
The scout is just an amateur tool built by amateur astrobomers
bruh
eternal talon
How can the scout understand anything if its dumb
the physical location doesnt change
thats ignoring the point entirely
rocky wraith
you're ignoring the point
rocky wraith
the change in the quantum frequency of the radio frequency is the whole point which she bases the idea of changes in quantum frequencies
knotty jolt
the change in the quantum frequency of the radio frequency is the whole point wh...
Im not arguing against this
Im saying it sent something back
Which you claim
Is something too advanced for stokes to understand reliably
rocky wraith
Is something too advanced for stokes to understand reliably
no
rocky wraith
that she can't base the theory off of that alone
knotty jolt
How the fuck would you even get the coordinates through the tether relative to us???
Its a radio burst through the mwo right?
Mwp*
rocky wraith
How the fuck would you even get the coordinates through the tether relative to u...
by changing its quantum frequency
knotty jolt
Bro
rocky wraith
which the mwp does
rocky wraith
its literally string theory
livid grotto
The string theory...
knotty jolt
its literally string theory
YES! Which fucking theorizes that different dimensions have different frequencies
rocky wraith
YES! Which fucking theorizes that different dimensions have different frequencie...
exactly, but not in the sense of multiverse dimensions
burnt wren
Are you people still going
eternal talon
yes
rocky wraith
but in the sense of spatial and temporal dimensions
knotty jolt
I doubt the writers give a shit
rocky wraith
I doubt the writers give a shit
clearly they have given they included it
knotty jolt
But fine
eternal talon
I doubt the writers give a shit
what does that have to do with anything?
at that point you are just throwing stuff out the window
knotty jolt
Ill take that point
So youre saying the scientists have managed to get the coordinates of e01 relative to us
By mapping the quantum frequency to a coordinate in our known universe
rocky wraith
So youre saying the scientists have managed to get the coordinates of e01 relati...
yes because the mwp translated it for us
knotty jolt
yes because the mwp translated it for us
What do you mean translate
eternal talon
that physical space is the same in our dimention as is in theirs
its the same adress
rocky wraith
What do you mean translate
The quantum frequency there is different from ours. If we went there maintaining our own frequency, we would be like an instance of spatial relativity taking place right in front of the eyes of the people in that quantum frequency despite maintaining the same gravity and velocity. By superimposing the quantum frequencies of our matter with the quantum frequency of Destination, you simply match phases and then boom, continue the frequency of the baryonic matter but this time in the new frequency
knotty jolt
I really dont understand how a machine built by advanced aliens would have a function that translates coordinates into a very arbitrary astronomical coordinate system invented by humans
burnt wren
Good point actually
knotty jolt
The quantum frequency there is different from ours. If we went there maintaining...
I feel like itsa bigger jump to assume quantum frequencies arent constant throughout OUR universe than to just take her word at face value where she literally just states theyre different throughout different dimensions
Theres just more hoops
She only says this changes our fundamental understanding of the universe
Not that this changes our theory abour how quantum frequencies are constant throughout the universe
rocky wraith
I feel like itsa bigger jump to assume quantum frequencies arent constant throug...
That's not what I'm saying
eternal talon
depends what you mean by dimension
eternal talon
then you are wrong
knotty jolt
Or whatever
eternal talon
kind of
rocky wraith
Ok so you agree e01 is just in a different dimension?
what do you mean by dimension? like the physics term or the multiverse term?
eternal talon
it is in the butterfly nebula. it is the same planet.
knotty jolt
Her use of dimension
eternal talon
the version of the planet is different
rocky wraith
Her use of dimension
which is the physics term
eternal talon
it is a version of that planet within that different iteration of the universe.
knotty jolt
She explicitly uses dimension synonymously
eternal talon
but the location is the same
knotty jolt
With different timeline/universe
knotty jolt
but the location is the same
Sure i dont know
I think its still a stretch a machine built by ancient advanced precursor aliens
rocky wraith
She says that destination exists in a different quantum frequency, not a different multiverse
eternal talon
if you are saying the butterfly nebula that we go to is completely different to the one in our reality then i disagree.
knotty jolt
Would be nice enough to translate it into our astronomical units
eternal talon
on a cosmic scale, the mapping should be the same
solar nova
She says that destination exists in a different quantum frequency, not a differe...
She does explicitly reference timelines.
knotty jolt
She says that destination exists in a different quantum frequency, not a differe...
She also implies
Different dimensions
Have different frequencies
Different timelines
rocky wraith
but not as definite
eternal talon
but we know it is not a different place
rocky wraith
timelines as a different experience of frequency not as a different multiverse
eternal talon
we know where destination is, and that place also exists in our own reality.
rocky wraith
Have different frequencies
We don't know that our frequency is constant in our universe
it could change through space
which is why you cannot disprove any current theory until it is definitively measured
that's the whole point she suggests "This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe"
eternal talon
if the only difference is the frequency and nature of the waves between reality, then you can not fundamentally say that the entire place is different
solar nova
Who knows where or when they ended up? Or if they survived. He may have enmeshed with himself or teleported to a dimension where every physical law is set to a new quantum frequency. He could be 100 years old now or have died in an instant. He could have teleported to another dimension then back to our own where a second superposition on the same wave occurred. He could be in tomorrow, or 1000 years in the past.
knotty jolt
RIGHT AFTER THAT STATEMENT
SHE SUGGESTS
ITS ANOTHER UNIVERSE
RIGHT AFTER SHE SAYS THIS IS A CHANGE IN OUR FUNDAMENTLA UNDERSTANDING
rocky wraith
> Who knows where or when they ended up? Or if they survived. He may have enmesh...
that one is before the one I'm quoting
knotty jolt
She suggests it
knotty jolt
that one is before the one I'm quoting
NO
ITS AFTWR
I DONT UNDERSTAND
Where did you get this
eternal talon
> Who knows where or when they ended up? Or if they survived. He may have enmesh...
for all we know, one of the different iterations of destination, time could move backwards
knotty jolt
ITS 4 DAYS AFTER
eternal talon
its fundamental principles changing about set places in physical space
rocky wraith
NO
it is because she already knows the quantum frequency difference, so why would she suggest he is a hundred years old?
knotty jolt
Bro
solar nova
And if the differentiator between these dimensions is the quantum frequency, that dimension's perception of the passage of time, in theory that identical superposition could happen an infinite number of times and, in theory, might even have some predictability. If something is predictable, it can be prepared for. A mechanic can be devised to control and manipulate it. If you know where a particle is going to be in your dimension, you can monitor that superposition for quantum frequency variations and record other timelines. Perhaps the Matter Wave Projector does exactly this. It tethers itself to a superposition that will happen in the future, and when that moment arrives, it switches waves and continues a new journey, in a new frequency, with a new set of universal laws.
knotty jolt
June 09th 2055---we traditionally
June 05th 2055--i just checked the quantum signature
solar nova
it is because she already knows the quantum frequency difference, so why would s...
It's literally after, check dates.
knotty jolt
In the log
rocky wraith
then why does she suggest he is a hundred years old when she knows the difference in frequency????????
because it ISN'T CONSTANT
livid grotto
CoolBeanz getting angry...
eternal talon
there are so many variables
rocky wraith
CoolBeanz getting angry...
seething
knotty jolt
She could mean a different universe
solar nova
for all we know, one of the different iterations of destination, time could move...
That's not how time works, but okay.
knotty jolt
That causes degradation of your chromosome faster
eternal talon
weither destination we go to is moving faster, slower, fuck even backwards, age isnt the same forever
rocky wraith
That causes degradation of your chromosome faster
degration only happens through time, or a genetic condition
eternal talon
That's not how time works, but okay.
in our universe it isnt
but these are fundamental changes
knotty jolt
degration only happens through time, or a genetic condition
Uh huh, thats uh what im saying
The second part
Wherever durants team ended up could affect their genetics
rocky wraith
Uh huh, thats uh what im saying
but we alraedy know the frequency there
solar nova
It would need to be "backwards" relative to our time, which isn't the same as time reversing.
knotty jolt
Causing accelerated aging
solar nova
It's still a dimension.
knotty jolt
I mean project rise is literally about accelerated aging
I dont see how if we can artificially insuce accelerated aging
eternal talon
its changing fundamental rules of physics if i am reading the log correctly
knotty jolt
Why a different set of universal laws coudlnt
eternal talon
or it can change fundamental rules of physics
rocky wraith
I mean project rise is literally about accelerated aging
aging and growth are completely different in biology
they are distinct in specific mamners
knotty jolt
My point is
eternal talon
it is only physical age
solar nova
or it can change fundamental rules of physics
Changing physical constants isn't the same as "time going backwards," it would be reversing the time axis relative to our time access, which isn't the same thing.
knotty jolt
Aging = degradation of your telomeres
solar nova
Reversing the direction of entropy iirc.
knotty jolt
Maybe wherevee they end up fucks wih thwir telomeres
Is it that much of a stretch to say theres other ways to age people aside from time
rocky wraith
Aging = degradation of your telomeres
You don't grow by removing telomeres. I literally do bio
knotty jolt
Being accelerated
eternal talon
why did you do this 
why
rocky wraith
Telomeres have NOTHING to do with growth, only with aging
eternal talon
making everything 9001% more complicated
knotty jolt
You don't grow by removing telomeres. I literally do bio
I know what you meannnn i made a mistake confusing changing ohenotype with genotype
Aging is a fundamental change in your actual genetics sure sure
My point is theres other ways to cause that than just tkme being accelerated
Which is what shes is talking about
rocky wraith
Aging is a fundamental change in your actual genetics sure sure
Growing like rise is a whole completely different set of systems than telomeres
knotty jolt
im just saying in context of this paragraph
He may have enmeshed with himself or teleported to a dimension where every physical law is set to a new quantum frequency. He could be 100 years old now or have died in an instant. He could be in tomorrow, or 1000 years in the past.
rocky wraith
Which is what shes is talking about
Which is caused by a change in frequencies, they experience time normally, but for us its like watching someone on a TV sped up
rocky wraith
its like relativity
rocky wraith
its like relativity
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
eternal talon
this is the 15th time we've said this
knotty jolt
not necessarily like the same 1:80 time
rocky wraith
do you understand how aging through relativity works???
eternal talon
its more than one
knotty jolt
YES
solar nova
its like relativity
Well, no, it'd be that the causes of aging are accelerated.
eternal talon
possibly INFINITE different versions of reality
knotty jolt
no
solar nova
So, you'd age twice as much due to physical laws in the same time t.
knotty jolt
i dont know we're being nitpicky
eternal talon
by the logic given, there could be a reality where aging is so extreme you instantly turn to ash
rocky wraith
everything there is faster. But not to them
solar nova
You don't experience 2t, but you age twice as fast.
eternal talon
since its the fundamental changing
knotty jolt
can we just agree and move on
eternal talon
you cant prepare for that
knotty jolt
like thats the whole crux of the argument
doesnt matter what causes the aging
her whole point here is woooo time moves weird in the destination
eternal talon
woooo?
rocky wraith
You don't experience 2t, but you age twice as fast.
But that makes no sense, in any way. Aging through a change in frequency does tho., literally occrams razor
knotty jolt
my point is this log comes after the other log
eternal talon
my point is this log comes after the other log
do they have dates
solar nova
But that makes no sense, in any way. Aging through a change in frequency does th...
What it about it doesn't make sense?
eternal talon
then yes
solar nova
There is some exotic physics for which the physical process of aging occurs much more rapidly.
rocky wraith
What it about it doesn't make sense?
like, its implying that a specific subset of biological processes happen differently, like HYPER specifically different, rather than a spatially distinct difference in the experience of time from one place to the other
solar nova
like, its implying that a specific subset of biological processes happen differe...
Why make a claim about any other biological process?
You can just be agnostic to those.
eternal talon
he is a professional
rocky wraith
Why make a claim about any other biological process?
because they are identical to other systems in the body, there is a massive amount of redundancy processes
same proteins different system
eternal talon
this man literally dedicated his entire life to this kind of thing
genetics n' such
solar nova
because they are identical to other systems in the body, there is a massive amou...
Okay, and? We could allege aging occurs faster without making statements about what other things might happen.
knotty jolt
she:
- discovers that quantum frequency is different in the destination, causing a time-dilation-like effect
- theorizes that maybe this is caused by destination being in a different universe/dimension or that our understanding of quantum frequency being constantt hrough out the unvierse is flawed
- later she asserts that the quantum frequency being different in the destination is becauase the MWP works by anchoring itself to a superposition ncaused by frequencies from another universe/dimension/timeline
like thats my whole point
this happened inc hronological order
eternal talon
like telling Steven Hawking that you know better than him on scientific topics
its insane to me
rocky wraith
Okay, and? We could allege aging occurs faster without making statements about ...
But those allegations are disprovable by the aliveness of our characters every time we enter ef01
we are literally going there and back
solar nova
But those allegations are disprovable by the aliveness of our characters every t...
Right, but Stokes isn't making a strong claim.
She's alleging that this thing is possible.
rocky wraith
She's alleging that this thing is possible.
possible, but not in the the way of faster aging due to a different law, but faster aging by a difference in relative experience of time
solar nova
We know, from the gameplay, that at least some of these possibilities put forth by Stokes are not true.
livid grotto
Quick question, do we know who’s the dev in charge of the story?
solar nova
possible, but not in the the way of faster aging due to a different law, but fas...
CoolBeanz, what is at stake in this conversation?
livid grotto
Or it’s a mix of all of them
solar nova
What proposition are we debating?
rocky wraith
CoolBeanz, what is at stake in this conversation?
My ego >:(
knotty jolt
Quick question, do we know who’s the dev in charge of the story?
honestly i wanna just like ask them
like
hey
is the implication with these logs is that e01 is in a different dimension
and have them give yes/no
eternal talon
they dont talk to us about lore
knotty jolt
sad
knotty jolt
gonna bribe them brb
eternal talon
is the implication with these logs is that e01 is in a different dimension
idk why you keep saying e01, it's all on destination
rocky wraith
What proposition are we debating?
that the difference in quantum frequencies are not provably because its in another multiverse, but because the universal quantum frequency of our universe is not constant.
eternal talon
and yes, destination is on a different dimension, but it isn't physically
it also exists in ours
the answer is complicated
livid grotto
CoolBeanz did you go to university or something like that?
knotty jolt
that the difference in quantum frequencies are not provably because its in anoth...
im arguing that the difference in quantum frequency is beacuse its in a different dimension
which is somethign SHE EXPLICITYLY STATES IS A CAUSE
livid grotto
you have way too much knowledge on these topics
eternal talon
you have way too much knowledge on these topics
he did 3 yr
rocky wraith
CoolBeanz did you go to university or something like that?
I'm just entering my 4rth year of molecular and cellular biology in September
knotty jolt
hes arguing its probably because quantum frequency is not constantt rhoughout the universe
livid grotto
Damn
rocky wraith
you have way too much knowledge on these topics
Learnt relativity in highschool because its part of our curriculum
eternal talon
he's a professional 😎
rocky wraith
When you get to molec bio, it is as much maths, physics and chem as it is statistics
harsh saffron
Quick question, do we know who’s the dev in charge of the story?
Simon is the narrative director
solar nova
that the difference in quantum frequencies are not provably because its in anoth...
She appears to believe that quantum frequencies varies between universes/dimensions.
That is what the log claims.
knotty jolt
"But what if we look beyond that? What if the waves that meet and create new superpositions are not from the same timeline? Time has always been the division. They cannot meet as they occured at a different time, but what if that law is only true while dimensionally restricted? If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension."
like
idk how much more explicit you can get
^^^^
"It tethers itself to a superposition that will happen in the future, and when that moment arrives, it switches waves[which are from different dimensions] and continues a new journey, in a new frequency, with a new set of universal laws.
"
rocky wraith
She appears to believe that quantum frequencies varies between universes/dimensi...
But this position cannot be positively proven until a measurement of the quantum frequency is made in the same spot in our universe
like it could be just as much this as something else
like you could be entirely correct, but it isn't provable is what I'm saying
knotty jolt
like it could be just as much this as something else
bro its a fictional story
solar nova
But this position cannot be positively proven until a measurement of the quantum...
From a writing perspective, it seems more likely than not that this more recent log is accurate to what's going on.
solar nova
Nobody is writing academic papers on the MWP's functionality IRL.
eternal talon
its arguing over the same thing
knotty jolt
i think meta argument---stokes is reliable source
eternal talon
the difference is the term "dimension"
knotty jolt
the difference is the term "dimension"
yes
and stokes means different universe/timeline
eternal talon
in GTFO it would seem the dimension never changes physical space
only the laws in the surrounding universe
knotty jolt
i feel like im quoting logs written by the dev team
and you guys ar elike
what if she wrong tho
and i feel like
thats not really a strong argument
eternal talon
what are we arguing mac
solar nova
in GTFO it would seem the dimension never changes physical space
Not necessarily, it seems to read that the waves have to meet somewhere, which can be anywhere in space in another dimension.
eternal talon
what is the issue
knotty jolt
that the difference in quantum frequencies are not provably because its in anoth...
this
eternal talon
what is the core disagreement
knotty jolt
im arguing that the difference in quantum frequency is beacuse its in a differen...
this is my argument
south lake
Welcome to the lore channel. Please avoid stepping on the Frostty, for your own health.
south lake
If it snaps like a bear trap and acts like a bear trap.. 👀
eternal talon
oh i'm sorry, is my name coolbeanz or mac?
knotty jolt
bro
eternal talon
why must you do this
knotty jolt
i literally was just like
hey
this theory you guys have
seems like it conflicts with these logs from r7
where these logs from r7 implies the location is set in a different dimension
eternal talon
that isnt an issue
its the definition of dimension
so i dont understand the argument
i saw that, edeon
south lake
I have no idea what you're talking about.
knotty jolt
But what if we look beyond that? What if the waves that meet and create new superpositions are not from the same timeline? Time has always been the division. They cannot meet as they occured at a different time, but what if that law is only true while dimensionally restricted? If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension.
idk how she defines dimensin
but she said it in this context
which im guessing isnt the same as dimension as in physical dimensions like 1d 2d 3d etc
solar nova
its the definition of dimension
We're not really debating that?
knotty jolt
but shes referencing multiverse and shit
solar nova
Seemed p obvious "dimension" refers to universe/timeline.
solar nova
Stokes defines it as such in the text.
solar nova
Beans is arguing about what in specific results in variation in quantum frequency.
knotty jolt
Beans is arguing about what in specific results in variation in quantum frequenc...
he thinks we dont jump to a different dimension but we stay in ours and that the destination just has a different quantum frequency
which doesnt make any sense beacuse she spent like
half a log talking about how different dimensions causes different frequencies
eternal talon
he thinks we dont jump to a different dimension but we stay in ours and that the...
we go to a different physical location
but the location doesnt change between dimensions
rocky wraith
like that if we were to visit efz01 in our universe we would be gradually shifting like how light redshifts frequencies through space by relativity until we match the frequency of Destination by the time we physically arrive
solar nova
I don't think it's that clear cut, and Stokes implies she doesn't know, but we might be able to deduce from the change in quantum frequency that we do change dimensions.
eternal talon
the allens know/knew. just wish we could ask them and avoid all this sciency stuff
cut the middle man
knotty jolt
like that if we were to visit efz01 in our universe we would be gradually shifti...
thats not...stated
in the log?
and is just
headcanon?
rocky wraith
thats not...stated
no
eternal talon
of course it isnt stated in the log
knotty jolt
so
rocky wraith
its an example of what I am trying to explain
knotty jolt
occams razor
eternal talon
but it is what it would do
you cant just say occam's razor for everything
or you will be me
knotty jolt
log says it works by switching to different frequency from different dimension
eternal talon
and nobody agrees with me
rocky wraith
occams razor
it makes more sense to be what i suggested IF the quantum frequency of a universe is not constant
knotty jolt
yeah and the latter part the part where you say IF
thats the part that i have a problem with
solar nova
like that if we were to visit efz01 in our universe we would be gradually shifti...
This assumes that space-time variation model is accurate, when the second log implies a dimensional variation model is accurate.
knotty jolt
its not stated anywhere in text
solar nova
Now, they might both be true.
knotty jolt
it takes assumptions and headcanons
solar nova
However, the latter seems more likely rn.
knotty jolt
^^^^^
rocky wraith
it takes assumptions and headcanons
its only drawn from what she is saying about superpositions and the physics interpretation of dimensions, not multiverses
south lake
No one agrees with you because you get so pushy and loud with your theories and explanations, Frostty.
rocky wraith
if she meant multiverses
solar nova
Although, actually, rereading it's possible what's going on is the MWP is following a new wave after successfully completing a teleport?
rocky wraith
then you are right
south lake
Or you did, at least. No idea if you do now. I cba to look in here anymore half the time.
knotty jolt
Although, actually, rereading it's possible what's going on is the MWP is follow...
my understanding
eternal talon
Or you did, at least. No idea if you do now. I cba to look in here anymore half ...
i was busy all day yesterday helping new ppl with the lore, the chat exploded
knotty jolt
is the teleportation IS following a new wave
solar nova
Which is presumably an allusion to MWI?
rocky wraith
She refers to them as "timelines"
Timelines can refer to different relative perspectives of time through relativity
knotty jolt
which is synonymous with switching dimensions
knotty jolt
Which is presumably an allusion to MWI?
my interpretation as well
south lake
I propose a blanket term for all of this titled "Quantum Fuckery"
knotty jolt
🤝
rocky wraith
I propose a blanket term for all of this titled "Quantum Fuckery"
honestly
solar nova
which is synonymous with switching dimensions
Well no, it's just that the MWP is switching the dimensions it's tracking, but the teleport might be in our dimension.
And it sounds like Stokes isn't sure which dimension it went to.
south lake
Rolls off the tongue better than "Wibbly wobbly timey wimey bullshit"
eternal talon
https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994
allens be like: ^ just casually doing all this maths without even trying
knotty jolt
Well no, it's just that the MWP is switching the dimensions it's tracking, but t...
wait what
why might the teleport be in our dimension
south lake
Because spacetime is flexible.
eternal talon
why might the teleport be in our dimension
because we have coordinates to it
south lake
Or something.
eternal talon
in a place that exists in our universe
solar nova
wait what
It reads to me like the MWP is creating a superposition by tracking some wave in D1 and colliding it with a wave in D2, creating a superposition which, Stokes herself says, might end up in our dimension.
south lake
I'm being semi-serious with my answer, just.. I have no explanation other than "Spacetime is flexible"
knotty jolt
It reads to me like the MWP is creating a superposition by tracking some wave in...
my interpretation is that it doesnt actually create superposition
solar nova
Timelines can refer to different relative perspectives of time through relativit...
I'm inclined to think not, especially since Stokes seems to imply this is quite cutting-edge?
knotty jolt
If something is predictable, it can be prepared for. A mechanic can be devised to control and manipulate it. If you know where a particle is going to be in your dimension, you can monitor that superposition for quantum frequency variations and record other timelines. Perhaps the Matter Wave Projector does exactly this. It tethers itself to a superposition that will happen in the future, and when that moment arrives, it switches waves and continues a new journey, in a new frequency, with a new set of universal
rocky wraith
It reads to me like the MWP is creating a superposition by tracking some wave in...
which makes sense using the string theory perspective
knotty jolt
from her wording
south lake
If I were some kind of Quantum researcher, I could probably explain it a lot better.
Or not.
Quantum fuckery is.. well, fucky.
eternal talon
the primary reason that the locations dont change between dimensions is because we have coordinates for destination that also exist in our reality as a physical place
knotty jolt
it sounds more like the machine just predicts when a superposition between two specific waves will happen
eternal talon
not say, some blank void in space
rocky wraith
which makes sense using the string theory perspective
Especially if referring to dimensions as the mathematical term
knotty jolt
then when it comes it switches to a different dimension
rocky wraith
it sounds more like the machine just predicts when a superposition between two s...
predicts using the other dimensions
knotty jolt
this part [ different dimension] is supported by "n a new frequency, with a new set of universal"
rocky wraith
to move in our dimensions
south lake
Though from the sounds of it, people are trying to explain it as "These two points both exist in the same place in separate dimensions, the only thing that changes is the 'what', not the 'where'" in a very confusing way
solar nova
then when it comes it switches to a different dimension
Well right, but my impression was that it's using this tracking to achieve something.
rocky wraith
this part [ different dimension] is supported by "n a new frequency, with a new ...
which could be explained by the quantum frequency not being universally constant
knotty jolt
Well right, but my impression was that it's using this tracking to achieve somet...
yeah it achieves the teleport right?
south lake
Or, rather
eternal talon
Though from the sounds of it, people are trying to explain it as "These two poin...
this is exactly correct edeon, the what is changing, not the where
solar nova
So, it's tracking a wave in D1 and sending a wave through D2 in order to achieve some result in D3.
south lake
I got that backwards
The "what" is the point, the location
The "where" would be the dimension
eternal talon
destination the location doesnt change
south lake
So the what isn't changing, the where is
eternal talon
the contents of it do
knotty jolt
the machine achieves teleportation by 1. seeing when two waves will enter superposition 2. tethering itself onto one of the waves 3. switching to the other wave during superposition somehow 4. tada teleported
or something
eternal talon
between these different frequency dimensions or what have you
rocky wraith
So, it's tracking a wave in D1 and sending a wave through D2 in order to achieve...
superposition requires the collision of D1 and D2 reflecting back a superposition in D0(ours) could be the reference
south lake
If you view it as Point X, Dimension A and Dimension B
eternal talon
superposition requires the collision of D1 and D2 reflecting back a superpositio...
to our empty dead destination without any allens
solar nova
superposition requires the collision of D1 and D2 reflecting back a superpositio...
Well you should say D3, because presumably the MWP is agnostic about what D3 is.
south lake
You slot the MWP in X-A
solar nova
It's just some dimension separate from D1 and D2, and you'd probably want to aim for D3 to be where we are.
south lake
MWP then tethers to X-B and - for lack of a better term - "switches" you to it
eternal talon
this is all 1+1=3 when combined with 1 from a different universe
south lake
They're both in the exact same location in either dimension
They're just different dimensions
eternal talon
yes, exactly!
knotty jolt
MWP then tethers to X-B and - for lack of a better term - "switches" you to it
my interpretation
rocky wraith
Well you should say D3, because presumably the MWP is agnostic about what D3 is.
Because we are unable to prove any difference between D0 and D3 except their quantum frequencies and supposed position in D0 being the butterfly nebula
south lake
So like, as a very baseline example for the purpose of an example
rocky wraith
if the thing jumps only in multiverses, why aren't we jumping to the same place on Earth but in D3?
knotty jolt
im willing to believe the destination is a different dimension's equivalent of our butterfly nebula
south lake
Alpha Two is at X 0.0, Y 0.0, Z 0.0
south lake
But so is the teleportation point in Garganta
knotty jolt
that outputs coordinates in our syntax
solar nova
If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension.
eternal talon
if the thing jumps only in multiverses, why aren't we jumping to the same place ...
we probably could, though we dont for some reason
maybe in case we spread nam-v to it?
idk
south lake
why the fuck would the machine just have a function
Because the shell of the MWP is Insight's creation, the MWP itself is not
knotty jolt
we probably could, though we dont for some reason
I mean
knotty jolt
if the thing jumps only in multiverses, why aren't we jumping to the same place ...
I mean
what if we are
solar nova
Because we are unable to prove any difference between D0 and D3 except their qua...
Wouldn't that favor referring to it as D3? D0 answers the question as to whether or not D3 is our dimension, D3 just says that D3 is not D1 or D2.
south lake
Bean, the thing about Multiverses
knotty jolt
that doesnt seem outrageous
south lake
No matter how remote, or how unlikely
rocky wraith
Wouldn't that favor referring to it as D3? D0 answers the question as to whethe...
next message of mine
south lake
A truly infinite Multiverse will have it all
rocky wraith
Why isn't it earth then?
solar nova
if the thing jumps only in multiverses, why aren't we jumping to the same place ...
But I'm not claiming this.
rocky wraith
But I'm not claiming this.
but you have to be since we move from a superposition on earth to the one on Destination
knotty jolt
im so fucking cnofused
what are we all claiming? each of us
im claiming it jumps to a different dimension's equivalent of earth by switching our frequency to match said dimension
eternal talon
what are we all claiming? each of us
destination doesn't change. only the contents of it. if we flew to destination in our universe we would find the same planet, though probably with significant differences
south lake
I'm trying to explain Beanz' idea of "Why isn't it Earth" with spacial expansion
rocky wraith
im claiming it jumps to a different dimension's equivalent of earth by switching...
possibly
eternal talon
1+1=3 when added with 1 from a different dimension
solar nova
I'm saying the MWP uses a wave in D1 and D2 colliding at a specific location. Presumably, where that happens would allow the MWP to target a specific location and time in D3, which could be a specific location and time in D0.
rocky wraith
im claiming it jumps to a different dimension's equivalent of earth by switching...
So why do our coordinates point to a specific point to a system in the butterfly nebula?
south lake
What's Point A in our Dimension may be different in another Dimension, albeit still on the same dimensional coordinates
knotty jolt
So why do our coordinates point to a specific point to a system in the butterfly...
bro i dont know how do you even know those are astronomyical coordinates
for all you know theyre just a set of numbers
that happen to be interpretatble as human astronomical coordinate
rocky wraith
for all you know theyre just a set of numbers
Someone worked it out exactly to the decimal
eternal talon
bro i dont know how do you even know those are astronomyical coordinates
@rich blaze me and @solar nova spent a week on this
trust us
we deciphered the log and it was either that,
or the middle of the atlantic
knotty jolt
or the middle of the atlantic
right i also saw this as well when i looked it up
eternal talon
read this chat log
south lake
It has to crash on earth
It has to crash on earth in our universe
eternal talon
this is amanes cracking the case wide open
south lake
That may not be true in another dimension
Multiverses are shitty and confusing like that
knotty jolt
It has to crash on earth
i mean
what if thats just where the mwp came from
doesnt meant destination is in nebula
like thats just the aliens equiavlent of: Made in China
eternal talon
what if thats just where the mwp came from
because the collision wiped out the dinosaurs
south lake
Just.. going to ignore the comments on multiverses. Okay.
knotty jolt
im saying the egg came from the nebula
eternal talon
im saying the egg came from the nebula
it did
knotty jolt
right
rocky wraith
im saying the egg came from the nebula
ours or theirs? (dimension)
knotty jolt
as in
eternal talon
or the destination we go to with the WMP
knotty jolt
im saying the coordinate you get after you used the MWP isnt the destination
thats just a set of numbers that says "butterfly nebula"
dull crest
<@264164771669082112>
You have an ID on that?
knotty jolt
it doesnt have to mean that is the destination
south lake
This channel's such a dumpster fire sometimes lmao.. I'm gonna go fuck around in City of Heroes.
knotty jolt
im saying maybe its just telling you where the machine came from
like an alien made in china tag
you deciphered it thats great
but as far as i can tell
knotty jolt
theyre just coordinates saying "here"
doesnt mean here is destination or origin or different dimension here
its just
a here
solar nova
You have an ID on that?
SVN-QAS-XPO (R7_B2_Uplink_L1)
rocky wraith
a point relative to our coordinates
knotty jolt
I think the interpretation that the MWP teleports you to a different dimension in that dimension's equiavlent location of the butterfly nebula
is probably the intended interpretation
personally I like the interpretation that its just earth because I think its cooler
but I definitely do not think the author intended to imply we are still in the same dimension
when we teleport
eternal talon
not ttt.
i thought it had been vanquished
but i see it back once more
not future earth, nooooooooooo
solar nova
but I **definitely** do not think the author intended to imply we are still in t...
Well, Stokes does imply it's possible.
I think it's intended to be ambiguous.
Do they teleport to some other dimension (and where?), or through some network of teleports that is still in our dimension but somewhere else?
knotty jolt
she also spent 3 paragraphs talking about how different universes have different frequencies explicitly and exactly 0 words talking about how our universe has different waves ind ifferent places
she only vaguely said "oh shit our understanding of physics might be wrong"
solar nova
she also spent 3 paragraphs talking about how different universes have different...
Right, but these aren't mutually exclusive.
eternal talon
Do they teleport to some other dimension (and where?), or through some network o...
we teleport within our own dimension, but to a place that is in a different dimension relative to ours. make sense?
solar nova
We just know the frequency difference implies the MWP's functionality, but it doesn't mean the end-point was another dimension.
knotty jolt
and peopel are taking what is not really in the text