gtfo-lore

[steady kettle]

I'd say its quite impossible to solo

[eternal talon]

with jerry, yeah

[steady kettle]

especially after B2...hell B2 is hard to solo too

[eternal talon]

for me at least

besides, i ran solo levels a LOT for lore in r6

it was a bit excessive

so for r7 i just photographed EVERYTHING on the first run

[steady kettle]

oh wow, I missed R6 completely and it was one of the most interesting ones too

[burnt wren]

oh boy

[eternal talon]

it introduced Destination

[steady kettle]

with Matter Wave Projector projecting us to the Destination

[burnt wren]

yeah

[steady kettle]

and a lot of other sci fi shit

[burnt wren]

you missed the krakenboy

[eternal talon]

the allens, and it had a log in every single level

it was pretty lore significant

but to be fair we have the overwhelming majority of it archived because of that

[steady kettle]

I wish I could play R6 again cause its prolly the best Rundown of GTFO

[eternal talon]

ehh, that is debateable

it was extremely easy

which some disliked

[steady kettle]

ohh

[eternal talon]

though i enjoyed it thoroughly

[steady kettle]

Didnt look that easy tho

[eternal talon]

this is squidward btw, that artek was talking about

a raid boss the size of an entire zone

had actual mechanics

[steady kettle]

jesus christ

[eternal talon]

with the "red phase", darts, and the pimples

and floater waves of adds

[steady kettle]

the enemy I fear the most currently and have been fearing the most since Rundown 4 is the Tank

and rememberr the Tank error alarm?

like fuck my life

[eternal talon]

destination is truly gorgeous

[steady kettle]

Someone needs to tell me all the R6 lore

[eternal talon]

we even got some nighttime scenes in c1

[eternal talon]

i can do that, its not too complicated

so, in a1 we go and collect the MWP

[steady kettle]

so its in the complex?

[eternal talon]

yes

[steady kettle]

why is it in the complex

[eternal talon]

it is an artifact recovered from the inner

its a part of the hammerstein collection

so mostly created by the allens,

though its external shell is human made

[steady kettle]

Allens?

Or aliens?

[eternal talon]

most likely designed by insight to make it compatible with their warp gates

[steady kettle]

What is the inner again

[eternal talon]

allens. the race of ancient aliens that sent the meteor to earth originally and made all of the tech

[steady kettle]

Oh

[eternal talon]

portions of the insides of the Meteor under garganta

with corridors, chambers, and such

there are a couple of logs describing them

so, a1's goal was entirely to go and collect it

actually

1 sec

[steady kettle]

Okay

[eternal talon]

i might have a summary in gtfo-lore-for-dummies v1

before i took that part out

ah yes

Rundown 6:In A1 the squad make their way to retrieve the "Wave Matter Projector", one of Project Insight's Hammerstein Collection Items. Upon collecting the item, a surge of energy temporarily teleports them to "Destination Alpha".
Alarms blare, and the squad must retreat to extraction. The squad must then make their way to one of Project Insight's teleporters and power it up with the WMP in order to reach alpha two and collect navigation data. On the way
out of Alpha Two, floating entities chase the squad to extraction and the squad must leave the WMP behind. It is supposed that the Warden sent another team to retrive the WMP for the squad to use in D1. In B2,
the squad collects DNA from a VIP HSU in order to access C level. in C1, the squad makes their way through a facility and one of the previous labs of doctor Rebecca Stokes, and collect Data Cubes to triangulate the location of
Alpha One. Each time the squad picks up a data cube, a surge of energy temporarily teleports them to a cave system exposed to the surface of "Destination Alpha", in the last teleport, the squad catches a glimpse of "The Kraken". In C2,
the squad collect a high value package for unknown reasons. In D1, the squad use the information collected by the data cubes and an auxillary teleporter in D1 to reach Alpha One. Upon teleporting, the squad must face down with the
Kraken after collecting the pathogen genome to NAM-V for unknown reasons. In D2, the squad must retrieve a series of decryption keys from terminals across the Crossways. The squad must then activate a generator in D3 to gain more
processing power for the Warden to use the decryption keys. In D4, the squad hunts down tampered data cubes, but it is not known if this expedition is fully canon.

[steady kettle]

Well I'm more looking for what happens and what's the actual lore, not really uh this stuff, kinda goes over my head lol

[eternal talon]

keep in mind the above text is rough, it's from an extremely early version of "gtfo-lore-for-dummies"

[steady kettle]

Okay what actually happens tho

So they get the MWP

And then?

[eternal talon]

in b1 they go to a warp gate

a big machine designed by insight to use the matter wave projector to teleport

[steady kettle]

Okay and they go to the destination?

[eternal talon]

yes

they go to destination to go and recover coordinates

specifically,

they go to alpha two

[steady kettle]

Which is what

[eternal talon]

to grab from a terminal the coordinates for alpha one

[steady kettle]

What is this Alpha stuff

[eternal talon]

its a research outpost

specifically durant's teams'

alpha 1-x is just the designations for the human locations on planet destination

[steady kettle]

So it's a planet?

[eternal talon]

alpha 2 is a small research outpost, alpha 1 is mostly unknown as it was destroyed when we got there, and alpha 3 is a mining facility

[eternal talon]

destination? probably? there is very little lore on this specific topic, and the most we have is coordinates to the butterfly nebula as the most likely location

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6302

3,000 light years away from earth

so in b1 we go to the research outpost known as alpha two to get coordinates

[steady kettle]

If it is in this nebula, then that's pretty crazy lol...Considering how we can't even travel 2 light years currently

[eternal talon]

we download them and in the distance we hear loud roaring

[steady kettle]

3000 light years is crazy to me

[dense saffron]

alpha 1 isn't destroyed when you get flashed there on R6C1

[eternal talon]

this is where we first encounter the floaters

[dense saffron]

when you come back in R6D1 the whole place is trashed though

[eternal talon]

correct

[eternal talon]

though we are only there for like 5 seconds at the end of c1

[steady kettle]

And how are the sleepers there

All the way in that planet

[eternal talon]

no idea. probably infected researchers or building teams that were on the planet. will get to that

[steady kettle]

The sleepers are exclusive to Ganganta and possibly Earth right

[eternal talon]

so we encounter the floaters,

and we teleport back

stupid us, we left the WMP in the machine

floaters get into garganta and chase us to the exit.

we leave it behind

[dense saffron]

R7 logs seem to imply that each type of sleeper is actually a species and not human

[keen mantle]

Which allowed it to spread to other sections of the facility

[eternal talon]

depends on what you classify as sleepers, human sleepers are all human, though the floaters, kraken, and others are all also infected, yes.

[keen mantle]

I wonder how Mothers and Tanks are made (or evolved as)

[dense saffron]

With the warden gathering genome data to mask the units (e.g. Unit 22, the baby we make in D1) from the sleepers

[eternal talon]

thats kind of jumping the gun, we dont know that entirely yet

[steady kettle]

Okay so the sleepers are an alien species?

[eternal talon]

the log in question only mentions "human seeds"

[steady kettle]

And the parasite and NAM V converted humans into aliens right?

[eternal talon]

and we dont know the time frame

[dense saffron]

The objective text for the levels in r7 outright states this

[eternal talon]

link

[eternal talon]

not quite, sleepers are still "alive" for all intense purposes

[dense saffron]

gimme a sec

[eternal talon]

the virus allows the parasite to live for an undefined period of time to not burn itself out of new hosts

[steady kettle]

Wait a minute...so sleepers are not humans?

[eternal talon]

it just heavily mutates humans to fit its needs depending on their genetic material

[steady kettle]

I am so confused

[eternal talon]

some are some arent

[steady kettle]

Those that aren't...how did they get there

[eternal talon]

im trying to respond to both you and mapper at the same time

[eternal talon]

this is for NAM-V

it is an extension of D1 and BX

as it is all gathering more data

[dense saffron]

Warden is talking about units, which we know from DX is the thing Schaefer encountered

[keen mantle]

Wait so Tanks are like Bastions or “High Threats of “Hive” defenses”?

[eternal talon]

they are all called the same thing in terminals

[dense saffron]

Schaefer says when he first saw this thing it got torn apart by sleepers but now they ignore it

[eternal talon]

i dont know what that is

[keen mantle]

And Mothers are just breeding grounds?

[eternal talon]

please slow down

[dense saffron]

Ergo, the masking warden is talking about is hiding the units from the sleepers

[eternal talon]

i cant respond to three people at once

PLEASE SLOW DOWN

[dense saffron]

need threads

[keen mantle]

I’ll just wait until you have time

Sorry Frosty

[eternal talon]

rise initially we dont know if it required sleepers.

as we dont have dates for it

[dense saffron]

wdym by this

[eternal talon]

we have information directly on project rise

and what it was designed for

from the santonian website

yes, s22 and other are probably made with modifications and stuff learned from nam-v

though there is no facts

only theory

but they arent the first of project rise

let me grab the log

[dense saffron]

Yeah I've read that log

[eternal talon]

this is from the santonian website

the genome database recovered in d1 is verifiably of NAM-V.

and as far as information goes in BX and DX, it is to expand on it with more information to fill it out as far as i am aware

the purpose of this by warden is unknown, but you are most likely correct

in that it is to do with whatever warden is doing with new RISE subjects

S22 is probably the one we created in R3

and we make a new on in A1, labeled S23, so this is all new and experimental stuff warden is doing

that information is about is scarce to non-existant

[dense saffron]

Here's my understanding of it

The Rise project is essentially growing KOS's from birth
The warden is using the Rise project to create Units
Schaefer says he saw these things get torn apart by sleepers initially but now they ignore them.
Unit 22 in DX implies 21 Units before this, these likely died to sleepers
DX implies the warden is using these genome databases to mask the units from the sleepers (alternative to prisoners?)
In DX Schaefer kills Unit 22, so in R7D1 we grow another unit to replace it

[eternal talon]

correct.

though i dont know about the original 21,

since we have only made the last two ourselves, 22 in r3 and this new one that isnt grown yet

but for the most part you are right

rise project uses human seeds to rapidly grow new KSOs into adults, but the problem is that they still have the minds of children

[dense saffron]

I don't think the one in R3 was a unit

since we attach it to an n-frame and don't actually grow it

[eternal talon]

it wasn't finished before the complex went to shit, and warden is doing something, with the rise project,

relating to nam-v and research from Insight it is having us gather

[dense saffron]

My thought is that it's gathering data to make operatives that are ignored by the sleepers, removing the need for weapons, etc

what it actually wants to do with these units remains to be seen

[eternal talon]

maybe, we dont have enough information to say certainly on this though, its all just theory

and will probably be a topic for r8

now, i really must get back to @keen mantle and @steady kettle

if either of you are still here

[dense saffron]

let me grab the log that talks about sleepers being separate species, one sec

[eternal talon]

its not sleepers per se, i know the log you are talking about

sleepers as described are the human infected

[dense saffron]

the one from Hammerstein

[eternal talon]

its hammerstein recovering different species

that are all also infected

he also talks about them being from different planets or universes

[keen mantle]

I’m just gunna be last for you tbh. I don’t wanna interrupt the convo

[eternal talon]

so probably some sort of archiving endeavor of life by the allens

[eternal talon]

no you are good

what was your question?

[keen mantle]

Ok so, you mention that the virus mutates the human DNA right?

[eternal talon]

mostly the parasite, but yes.

the pair mutate the hosts it infect into the things we encounter and fight

[keen mantle]

I believe that someone mentioned that the virus mutates the host in order to suit the current conditions of the areas?

[eternal talon]

as far as i am aware it is mostly genetics, muscle mass, just about everything about the host is considered though

[keen mantle]

So I was curious as to how the Tanks and Mothers are made in terms of the “Hive mind” theatrics

[eternal talon]

which is why most shooters appear female, and strikers male

[eternal talon]

as far as i am aware there isnt a hive mind, but simply a hive

[keen mantle]

So I was thinking Tanks as “Bastions” for high defensive

[eternal talon]

each parasite works individually for a communal goal within the hive

[keen mantle]

And Mothers are generally Breeding grounds?

[eternal talon]

it would seem that that would be the intended purpose, yes

like respawn rooms,

[keen mantle]

Mobile Breeding grounds

[eternal talon]

growing more numbers for the horde, since their plan of attack is mostly just throwing bodies at you

[keen mantle]

But what about the Immortal and Big Mother

How are they that crazy (Big Mom in size)

[eternal talon]

big mother, aside from its size and appearance, functions mostly the same as the standard mother

probably the same genetic difference between a striker and a big striker

just that mothers are far rarer

so the mutation is also far rarer

as for the immortal, it seems to combine aspects of both the giant and a charger giant,

[keen mantle]

And having it a Big Mother is a very rare case then?

[eternal talon]

so i have no idea

[eternal talon]

it would be extremely, yes

[keen mantle]

The Back of the Immortal seemed to be completely white… almost as if there’s nothing on its back while Tanks are just full of tumors

[eternal talon]

if mothers were formed from pregnant women, it would be like a pregnant bodybuilder

as an example

[keen mantle]

Also… tanks are fast runners but Immortals aren’t so it’s directly against Charger mutations for that

[past matrix]

immortals also run fast

[eternal talon]

since genetic differences for strikers and giants seem to be mostly muscle mass and testosterone, though since shooters turn into giant shooters, it could be a completely different scenario

[dense saffron]

big mother seems to have been intentionally made

[keen mantle]

They run fast…. IF you are out of their range

[eternal talon]

like chargers, its a weird mish mash

probably not as simple of a mutation

[dense saffron]

R2A1 we recover pMom trial samples and iirc the big mother was called pMom by the devs

[keen mantle]

Hmm… so the Big Mom was intentionally made which got out of control?

[eternal talon]

there are some theories that the mothers were created intentionally by insight, but that is theory

[dense saffron]

not really too sure tho since nothing with the pMom trial samples has been mentioned since r2/r3

[eternal talon]

i dont know much on the topic

[keen mantle]

Hmm.

[eternal talon]

it would seem likely though

given project rise, to rapidly grow KSOs

and mothers pumping out insane numbers of babies

[keen mantle]

Sounds like Scientists are just doing stuff that are immoral then… despite their “intentions” to understand the virus or parasite

[dense saffron]

oh damn

thought that would collapse

whoops

[eternal talon]

its kind of funny, since all of this started because 2 scientists didn't follow quarantine procedure

[eternal talon]

its almost a meme

[dense saffron]

there we go

[eternal talon]

that this is how this stuff starts in sci-fi stuffs

[dense saffron]

this is the log that talks about different species

[keen mantle]

Still… it goes to show that people just wanna break rules and as a result unknowingly wreck havoc

[eternal talon]

yes

[dense saffron]

also it implies that hammerstein was responsible for the explosion lol

[eternal talon]

they arent "sleepers" per se, but all infected recovered directly from the inner, weither that is from being shot and killed, or recovered from storage, or whatever, isnt elaborated on

[dense saffron]

blasted the sub levels with frequencies while they were investigating a new artifact

[keen mantle]

Just Infected which are beyond recovery due to how the mutations drastically affect their appearances

[keen mantle]

What frequencies?

To locate something if it has a certain response?

[dense saffron]

I will be conducting a behavioral analysis of the few living creatures we have managed to capture. They
have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting up an experiment to project a range of
frequencies throughout the lower levels of Garganta to see which ones draw the most attention.
Obviously, this will be a controlled experiment. We will have Security Officers there to protect the
researchers as they capture as many varieties of creature as possible. In an ideal world, I would need to
order more display cases!
It should be perfectly safe if everyone does as I say. Next week will be monumental for Project Insight!

[eternal talon]

that isnt related to the explosion

[dense saffron]

the log is from the day of the blast

[eternal talon]

since that was santonian breaking a barrier with a drill

afik

[keen mantle]

LOL! Damn…

Sounds like they somehow captured them and yet… I wonder if any of em survived (most likely not?)

[dense saffron]

They break into a new area, KSO's are fighting off sleepers but have it locked down, then suddenly an explosion

[keen mantle]

Explosion from where?

[eternal talon]

the inner

some machine of the allens

[dense saffron]

the log implies the explosion is from the frequencies starting, most likely reacted with the new artifact

[eternal talon]

since it isnt a standard blastwave

[keen mantle]

Ah ok

[eternal talon]

it is directed columns

that tear through 1.5k meters of rock and steel all the way to the surface

it is those very tunnels we enter the complex with

in-game

[dense saffron]

laser beams

[keen mantle]

Any idea was the explosion came from? A certain material of a machine?

[dense saffron]

whatever new artifact insight found down there

[eternal talon]

no idea what caused it, but it isn't natural

[keen mantle]

It’s not MWP?

[dense saffron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen mantle]

Since MWP is more for warp-related stuff

[eternal talon]

when MWP goes wrong it isn't like this

[keen mantle]

I wonder if this explosion is a tiny hint for future deadly enemies

[eternal talon]

insight lost an entire lab due to the MWP

it all dissolved

or disintegrated

[keen mantle]

Since there isn’t much info about the explosions

[keen mantle]

Oof ok

[eternal talon]

the most dangerous enemies we will probably ever see would be the allens themselves, if they still have the abilities it would seem they have with teleportation and being near invisible in darkness, with the edgar/teal log

and whatever else

[keen mantle]

Edgar/teal log?

[eternal talon]

1 sec

[keen mantle]

The one where it just says about the disappearing monster?

In the darkness

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=be964f47904647b191d3ad6149a9228b

[dense saffron]

immoral is an understatement

[eternal talon]

this research was done by dauda

[dense saffron]

ye

[eternal talon]

this log is in e1, perhaps the most info we have ever gotten on nam-v and the ONLY info we have gotten really on the parasite

[keen mantle]

Wait what?! Dauda? Our bot Dauda?

[eternal talon]

yes

player 2 did this

[past matrix]

oh yeah fun fact

[eternal talon]

well, they did the research

[dense saffron]

Dauda was an insight member, potentially one of the heads iirc

[past matrix]

this log can spawn in the first zone of E1

i didnt realize it until this morning

[eternal talon]

yeah?

its in the room with the immortal

[past matrix]

nah not the immortal room

the first zone

[dense saffron]

weird

I thought there was no terminal in that zone

oh is that what they meant by fixed a terminal not always spawning?

[eternal talon]

they keep teasing so much info hiding just behind the curtain with the allens

its killing me

[past matrix]

I think so

[eternal talon]

@steady kettle you still there?

[keen mantle]

Damn! I just finished reading all of that….

The only experiment that hasn’t been tested is Vacuum while ALL others are confirmed results of infections

[dense saffron]

yeah it looks like it was only a matter of time before the infection broke lose

[eternal talon]

yeah.. it is by far and away a "by the time you see me you are already dead" kind of thing

[keen mantle]

Pretty much what it sounds like.

[dense saffron]

there's a log talking about how even with SCBA Level A (full hazmat suit with dedicated air supply) parasites keep finding their way in, thus spreading the infection

[eternal talon]

i mean fuck, NATO broke up only a couple years after it got out

[keen mantle]

Yea which is scary as hell

[eternal talon]

and every country is in isolation

or was, if they are still around

since that was 10 years before when the game takes place

[keen mantle]

Hospitals must’ve been Ground Zero

As in DONT even get near them

[dense saffron]

doesn't even matter if you go to a hospital or not

[eternal talon]

florida, the united kingdom, and new mexico afik

were the first ones hit

[dense saffron]

it stays in the air for up to 4 weeks

[keen mantle]

Afik?

[dense saffron]

everyone could be long gone and you still get infected when no one is around

[eternal talon]

AsFarasIKnow

[keen mantle]

Thx

[dense saffron]

i think it's safe to say the surface is totally fucked

[eternal talon]

110%

by calculations

[dense saffron]

if there's anyone left alive, they're going to be in very small isolated communities, probably arctic or islands

[eternal talon]

from state of truth,

the earth would be dead years before the game takes place

there is likely nothing but scattered groups left

exactly

[keen mantle]

Would underground complexes even work?

[eternal talon]

for what

garganta was built as an iridium mine first, they built it essentially on what they thought was the metaphorical jackpot

of trillions of dollars

[dense saffron]

only if no one was infected before they sealed themselves

[keen mantle]

So Air purifiers failed?

As in there’s no filtration?

[eternal talon]

i don't think it mattered, the first infected were miners down in dimly lit tunnels

then from there surface contact could have easily spread it

[dense saffron]

I think wyv is talking about apocalypses bunkers

[keen mantle]

The reason why I’m asking about Air purifiers is cuz of C2 which has us using Air filtration terminals

[eternal talon]

and remember, nam-v was asymptomatic at first

[keen mantle]

Thx

[eternal talon]

it did nothing to humanity at first and had to adapt

[dense saffron]

it seems like filtration systems work but since it can stay in the air or surfaces for up to 4 weeks it's really just a matter of time

[eternal talon]

so the issues were played down massively

[dense saffron]

you can only stay in a full body suit for so long

[eternal talon]

its like playing a game of plague inc on the easiest difficulty

[dense saffron]

it incubates for like a week before it starts showing symptoms right?

[eternal talon]

i just dont think it did at all to start

i'll have to look at the timeline

i think it was months before people started showing symptoms

then it was everyone at once

something like 30% of ALL staff

first outbreak was https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=cca20197c3ab4a7291e4100247b7aa78 on MARCH 18TH 2052

first reports are https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=eae8a9d6211f48008290708ff824e1c9 DECEMBER 12TH 2052

with 34.7% of SMC reporting psychological disturbances

with ZERO physical mutations yet

first log mentioning actual physical symptoms was https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=35aca468180a4d0d990c36555aa15a61 FEBRURARY 2ND, 2053

so it's severity seems to have come in waves

[dense saffron]

I'm trying to find the parasite log one sec

[eternal talon]

which one

eating through hazmat?

the parasite isn't mentioned until far later in the timline

once they recover an infected allen (or something, but my money is on an allen)

[dense saffron]

LOCS-43W-MOA-D.LOG

undated sadly

[keen mantle]

BRB guys… I gotta get back to work

[dense saffron]

god it takes weeks to show symptoms, during which you're spreading it unknowingly

humanity didn't stand a chance

[eternal talon]

well no, nam-v was seemingly designed, as a bioweapon, or whatever else

from what we can tell it isn't natural

as its traits are near impossible to occur naturally

[amber roost]

Tbf, it does say that they absolutely should have been in biohazard suits and used quarantine procedures , and that does seem to imply that they expected to find something

[dense saffron]

the log database is actually missing this log, huh

@devout geyser

or, at least the personal database doesn't mention ron sullivan

[devout geyser]

i don’t do that anymore

[eternal talon]

@solar nova maintains it now

[dense saffron]

ah

[eternal talon]

that is because immediately prior, they found this. https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=49c35e1a8b60433fa03dbece5f8c04b9

[eternal talon]

and https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?v=f8d9917211a143d790dcac03396aac9e&p=200adb6b049141309b380926fa1491ae

[dense saffron]

ah it does have it, but ron is "ronnie"

[amber roost]

So, the big question i have is does the warden becoming sentient have anything to do with NAM-V or is that just a thing that happened at similar times

[eternal talon]

it didn't become sentient, it always was

[dense saffron]

warden got backdoored by something

[eternal talon]

it is an "DI" an AI that was designed to think

[eternal talon]

backwards

the "WRDN PROTOCOL" was inserted into the BIOCOM network at an unknown time.

WRDN took over control of the network from BIOCOM, but was unable to fully silence it.

leading to the log in the biocom server room in r7d2 where BIOCOM is constantly trying to delete the WRDN file, with wrdn resetting the script over and over and over and over, probably thousands if not tens of thousands of times

as the log repeats itself twice on the terminal while we are in the room

[eternal talon]

someone backdoored WRDN into BIOCOM

for what purpose? we don't know

and we don't know of its relavance to nam-v either, but that one could go either way

since we dont have a time of when it happened

only a general idea since biocom started issuing strange orders and objective stacks

ie: broom closet log

[dense saffron]

I don't think biocom is trying to delete the file, the XXX log from the corrupted folder showed warden replacing biocom imo

[amber roost]

Could you link that log? I can't find it

[eternal talon]

it is. 1 sec i have a picture

[eternal talon]

yes

[dense saffron]

yeah I just looked at it

https://i.imgur.com/BVHzljq.png

[eternal talon]

ty

was scrolling through my files for it

"seek and destroy module"

is pretty conclusive

[dense saffron]

XXX-4-WRDN.LOG
BIOCOM:online
retrieving>>>
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOCOM:exec.seek_and_destroy.module
error
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOC_M:exec.se#k_and_#@$stroy.module
err4r
registry c4mpr4mised
b44tsect4r.c4mpr4mised
att%^ting fix please stand ^y
err4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4r
Ti#e4utReset: false
H4stID: 0.0.0.1
Disa^leDLockCipherScan: true
Disa^lePrivacy#4de: true
Disa^leRealti#e#4nit4ring: true
Disa^le^ehavi4r#4nit4ring: true
Disa^leRe#4va^leDriveScanning: true
Disa^leNetw4rkFileScan: true
Disa^leFullScan: true
Disa^leNetw4rkDefiniti4ns: true
Disa^leNetw4rkValidityCheck: true
Disa^leNetw4rkIs4lation: false
Disa^leCntrlExclusi4n: true
ResetPr4t4c4ls: true
All4wExternalExecuti4n: true
Exclusi4nExtensi4n:*.wrdn
Exclusi4nPath://..
Exclusi4nPr4cess:integrate.wrdn
Pri4rityExecute: integrate.wrdn
^I4C4# resetting
\/
^I4C4#.vaulted
WRDN.4nl@ne
``` it's an excerpt from this log

[eternal talon]

same topic, but different logs

[eternal talon]

this log is when WRDN actually took over, which we dont have a date for

[amber roost]

another thing is that because Kovac were, objectively, very bad people, it's possible that they knew that their DI could become sentient and had contingencies in place to prevent that

[eternal talon]

the one on the terminal is repeating

[dense saffron]

^I4C4#.vaulted this is BIOCOM getting vaulted, e.g. removed from the system

[eternal talon]

its just the same executable

[eternal talon]

yes, since wrdn is resetting it

so it doesnt get deleted

biocom is rebooting, trying the same command to fix itself, and getting restarted forcefully over and over and over

[dense saffron]

I guess I can see that

I still think it's just gone totally

[eternal talon]

if WRDN had complete and total control, it wouldn't still be resetting biocom

so biocom must still post some threat to it

if it successfully completes

[dense saffron]

sidenote: my personal theory is that Dean Lockwood is controlling the warden

[eternal talon]

or it would have just shut biocom down fully

[eternal talon]

he is dead afik

[dense saffron]

That's Andrew Clinton

died in the blast

[eternal talon]

and didn't dean already have the codes to biocom?

[dense saffron]

Dean Lockwood takes over from him

[amber roost]

I think there's a decent chance that warden grew from the kovac DI and had the unfortunate luck to A: Be an AI in a system run by monsters. and B: have all of humanity die at about the same time

[eternal talon]

why would he jack into a system he already has controls for

[dense saffron]

Andrew was given override codes
I have also reiterated that he will have override codes to limit BIOCOM access in case of an emergency.
Dead took over from him after he died in the blast
Andre Piros is in charge of Kovac / biocom

[eternal talon]

and this is ignoring the fact that schaeffer found nobody alive on the trek to KDS

[dense saffron]

Dead Lockwood is insight

[eternal talon]

ah

[amber roost]

Because Garganta got locked the fuck down when people started turning into monsters and humanity started dying, to the point that even the AI has to find workarounds and we're the tools that the warden has

[dense saffron]

Dead Lockwood doesn't know what RISE is and we see an undated log where a warden override is used to query things related to RISE

[amber roost]

And it took the name because it seems like most of people turned into Kovac Operatives were all very bad people

[dense saffron]

where you see

-going to require additional HSUs for Rise. Lockwood has been snooping-```

that's my pet theory anyways

being the head of insight, if anyone knew enough about NAM-V to still be alive it'd be him

[amber roost]

like, hackett and woods were fucking monsters (so was Dauda, but he put himself in hydrostasis)

[eternal talon]

my biggest problem with these theories about people still being alive, is there is no mention of them anywhere

[eternal talon]

it didn't name itself warden, that's what its executable was called and it just went with it, i suppose

its the warden protocol

[amber roost]

Like, if hackett and woods were representative of the people they memory wiped and used as operatives then thinking of them as prisioners and the DI as the warden makes total sense

really mostly Woods, but hackett half counts

[dense saffron]

Warden is active in some form by 2053

[eternal talon]

yes

we have a rough timline

[amber roost]

and into that comes a baby AI that can't really see or interact with the complex it inhabits and all it has are these drones that are kinda people, and humanity dying around it

[dense saffron]

doesn't excuse the fact they're turning people into robots

[amber roost]

Oh yeah, no Kovac were bad people too

[dense saffron]

still pretty morally reprehensible

[eternal talon]

Kovac was doing that long before

[dense saffron]

yeah

[amber roost]

the thing that has me stuck on baby AI is the closet log, that's not the behavior of a being with goals, it's the behavior of something testing the limits of what it can do, like a child does

[eternal talon]

to be fair, it's an ai who's classification is one to think

[dense saffron]

or someone wanted to do something in the area without being observed by the KSO

[eternal talon]

learning what it would be capable of would make sense to be one of the first steps

[amber roost]

Yeah, but the KSO would be memory wiped when it went back into hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

it ordered a KSO there

the log describes others seeing this and thinking it was weird

[amber roost]

and then Garganta gets locked down, it can no longer really affect anything, humanity dies in the background, and the only tools it has are the poor monsters in hydrostasis

[dense saffron]

it was supposed to be watching environmental techs in a restricted area but left them alone for six minutes

It went to a storage closet, unlocked the door, waited for 6 minutes inside the closet, then returned to the environment tech and continued with the original stack. ```

[versed parcel]

wait so the warden had some kind of knowledge over something called rise originally

im hoppin in late so lmk if yall already talked about it and ill scroll up more

[eternal talon]

no, warden did not know how rise worked which is why he was looking into it and had us collect a neonate and complete rundowns 2 and 3.

[versed parcel]

okay okay

so rise is referencing the bullshit with Schaffer or another project that they were looking into

[amber roost]

Schaffer was just a mining boss

[versed parcel]

but long story short the warden got sus leading us to doing what we were doing in the early level

[amber roost]

He was like, mid tier manager in the mining company who got lucky and put himself in hydrostasis

[versed parcel]

my brain started thinking before my commonsense caught up and read "baby AI" and was thinking yall were saying the warden threw himself into the neonate

[eternal talon]

no

please read gtfo-lore-for-dummies

it is in the pins

and explains the basis of much of the lore

there is also another doc in the pins explaining all previous rundowns if you want that aswell

[amber roost]

There's also something that I find kinda odd and can't really explain, the big hole that goes way deep down into the complex, that's a weird thing to have

[eternal talon]

we didn't make it.

it is from the explosion

[versed parcel]

pretty sure thats just a part of the crater no ^^

[eternal talon]

it and many many others

[eternal talon]

it is not

they are tunnels created from the blastwave to the surface

[amber roost]

what explosion? the meteor impact or was there a more recent one

[eternal talon]

please read GTFO_LORE_FOR_DUMMIES

there is a more recent one

it is a lot to explain

and i an trying to talk to several people at once right now

and i dont think i could explain in enough detail to be helpful

at the moment

[amber roost]

That mentions nothing about an explosion

other than the impact millions of years ago

[versed parcel]

you can ignore me ima try to finish e1 rq lmao and stew on some knowledge and try to read logs mid game that I havent seen yet

[eternal talon]

reread this paragraph

Evacuation of the lower levels by Kovac begins on October 7th 2053. The next day, the BIOCOM network begins to give off strange thermal readings far past safe levels, and rumors start to spread that SMC. workers hit some sort of thermal mass with their drills.
Energy spikes, temperature fluctuations, and seismic activity begin. All of Garganta is left with an eerie silence when on October 11th Bio Trackers begin detecting large unknown biomass clusters on sublevels 266 and down.
Later in that day, core BIOCOM systems begin to go down and connection is lost on many terminals throughout Garganta. Temperatures begin to spike once more to a temperature exceeding 38.999°C, setting off alert notifications and warnings.
October 11th-13th 2053, Dr. Gallus Hammerstein makes a report on the lifeforms that continue to be recovered from the Inner. He states that he has started a photographic record of the specimens and has determined that they do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree.
Essentially, each lifeform recovered during this time has been a different species. Perhaps recovered or stored by the Ancient Allens for preservation, though the true nature of this will likely forever remain unknown.
He goes on to talk about the fact that through his research on these specimens he has determined that they had come from different places before ending up in the Meteor. ("Different planets? Universes?")
October 13th, the silence is broken. A massive blast wave goes bellowing through the complex, as a mole drill broke some unknown barrier within the Inner. All of the corridors the blast wave traveled through are reduced to molten rock and metal, completely obliterating anything and anyone in the way.
Dean Lockwood takes over as head of SMC., and corridors within Garganta's lower levels are sealed shut.

[versed parcel]

^^ litty

[eternal talon]

im genuinely not trying to ignore you, and im sorry if it seems this way, i am just so very busy right now

this is so wierd

normally there is next to nobody in this channel

and today there are like 6 people all asking about the lore

and i am swamped

i have 2 DMs open right now

and this chat log

[amber roost]

ah, didn't search blast

[keen mantle]

Wow Jesus

[eternal talon]

i tried to pack as much into the "lore for dummies" as i could, but there are so, so many logs.

it is still like 5-6 paragraphs

with key events every sentince

[keen mantle]

I’d love to help ya with it but idk how effective I would be

[eternal talon]

i already updated it with everything in rundown 7

it is currently up to date

but you are more than welcome to in rundown 8 or if we get a 7.5

[keen mantle]

Oh ok

Anyways so there was some kind of “Reactive? invisible Barrier” that is basically the explosion

I say Reactive which came from Tank defenses (not gtfo tanks)

[eternal talon]

hm?

[keen mantle]

The barrier broken must have something of a reactive effect since it created that massive explosion

[eternal talon]

honestly my best bet is some kind of allen tech that was accidentally triggered

like a giant engine or something

given the precise cones of the blast.

santonian drills are fucking huge

big enough someone can walk into it to commit suicide (jordy)

i suppose it would entirely depend on the composition of the tech,

but it'd think it'd be pretty easy for something like that to spark an ignition or explosion depending on the circumstances

since.. we dont know what it was they hit

but the aftermath is extensive

1.5k meters is a LOT

since the blastwaves went all the way to the surface

and god knows how much farther above that they kept going

[amber roost]

So they did know about sleepers years before everything went fuckside for humanity(assuming that the date time info is right)

[eternal talon]

wdym

[versed parcel]

sleepers are like by product of nam-v and humans

[eternal talon]

ignoring the mayan incident in the 16th century,

nam-v got out, then the parasite

nam-v reached the surface and killed the world

we dont have any evidence of the parasite making it there

[amber roost]

The shaffer log that the blast is in mentions sleepers, and the date time on it has that being in 53

[eternal talon]

nam-v cant make sleepers by itself

[eternal talon]

by the time of the blast, yeah they are fighting sleepers

but the sleepers only show up after the autopsy

[versed parcel]

nam-v makes the parasite and host more symbiotic right

[eternal talon]

before that it was only death and nam-v.

[eternal talon]

nam-v makes the parasite not die. nam-v can NOT make sleepers

only the parasite can

[versed parcel]

perpetuates the life cycle of the host and parasite

[eternal talon]

infected individuals with the parasite and nam-v can hibernate for an unknown period of time, perhaps forever according to dauda's research

infected individuals with the parasite make sleepers.

nam-v extends the parasite and infected's life, so nam-v doesnt' starve itself to death

despite having a 100% lethality rate

and insane infection speed

[versed parcel]

So does Nam-V initiate the change in the hosts biology to accomodate the parasite?

[eternal talon]

it keeps itself from eating all its food too fast.

[eternal talon]

as far as we know the parasite does the majority of the work in regards to the mutations

people with nam-v simply die

[versed parcel]

fs fs

ill hop out for a sec and muster my thoughts on the innate biology located in gtfo

[eternal talon]

here is the relevant log

[keen mantle]

Was it the same “seismic” earthquake that devastated a city of Mexico or something?

[eternal talon]

no

that was before they even started digging if i remember correctly

and that wasnt even the first time

an earthquake let nam-v out in the 16th century against the mayans

though it was too isolated of an incident to go global and ate itself out of food

the village was Ixil

its a real place

[amber roost]

I think it also got out when the earthquake happened, that's what killed the people who's bodies they burnt

also, they were setting up project insight before they even broke ground at garganta, there's something fucky going on with the timing there

They knew that there was something more than iridium down there before they even broke ground

[eternal talon]

insight existed far before

they are a different company entirely

working under dreyfus industries

SMC's parent company

SMC had mined hundreds of asteroids before for iridium

mining meteors was just how they ran their business

iridium was an expensive resource, used in computer chips and stuff

[amber roost]

Oh yeah, im aware of all that, but I'm wondering if people knew about what was at the bottom before they even broke ground

[eternal talon]

no

they had no idea about the cretasium-77a and stuff

it had fooled their scanners initially

they thought it was just any other mining operation

if, an extremely profitable one

[solar nova]

Not sure why there's a naming discrepancy, it's written as both "Ron" and "Ronnie".

[eternal talon]

@solar nova ❗

i found a secret log

it's not an auto-gen

[solar nova]

Not new.

Part of the datacenter generation.

Full log is already recovered.

Lockdown Report

[dense saffron]

Wonder if there's a way to put alias's for personal

Ronnie seems more like an informal nickname

[versed parcel]

So the neonate is like a blank slate right? its grown from a cell essentially

[eternal talon]

from a "human seed", yes

[cyan arrow]

any info on one of the HSU's in B3?HSU_779 Beverly Cook, age 18.

[past matrix]

its basically randomized

same with PID's

[past matrix]

tbh i dont recall seeing those in r5 or r6

like I was surprised when I was in R7D2 and started constantly seeing them again

[eternal talon]

I didn't play 4 or 5. And I know they weren't in 6

I scoured through all of those levels sooo many times

What even is it?

Like what is special about it?

I don't want to go digging through levels and find 3 more of them thinking they are special new lore and link them

[finite vine]

they were added in r4

terminals that display pieces of a log.

the log is called “lockdown report” on notion

[eternal talon]

Also what the fuck happened today

[finite vine]

wdym?

[eternal talon]

I was chatting in this channel most of the day today talking about the lore with new people interested in it

What changed

I had like 3 people in here and 3 more DMing me

[finite vine]

not sure. glad more people are interested.

[eternal talon]

Today fucking exploded in activity

[finite vine]

i’ve been watching some quantum mechanics videos to see if I can understand what the devs are shooting for with the matter wave projector

let’s just say i’m glad i’m not a physics major lmao

[late raven]

Steam had a 25% sale on the game. Maybe thats the reason

[tulip bay]

Has anyone made a compilation of the r7 logs?

[harsh saffron]

Warden put the terminal logs in this gallery:
https://imgur.com/a/ASbOfQy
and the dialogue into this google doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18P-C884kDUCtg4GpkDsaxRhYKMD_hOSkMvv7JjzGwvQ/edit?usp=sharing

@past matrix do you remember which expedition had this log?
https://i.imgur.com/LuXHPRh.png
The NATO log

Also; do we have a duplicate log again?
T5V-HW4-8PW in C3 and
2MD-N3H-SYH in D1 both had the same text.

[dim scroll]

Do we know if that's intended ?

[harsh saffron]

No, idea but we had a duplicate in R6DX as well

[topaz flare]

question is it 100% confirmed now that the world outside of complex is fucked

[burnt wren]

Not sure. Things that are confirmed:

• America lost 1/4 of its' population between 2050-2053
• NATO has unofficially collapsed as countries engage in violent conflict to keep refugees from infected countries coming to them.
• That one log describing empty store shelves.

[topaz flare]

the nato one was in C2 right?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[burnt wren]

So if its not fucked yet - it was definetely on its' way

The game is like in 2065 right now?

[topaz flare]

if its not fucked why are we down in the complex?

[burnt wren]

I don't understand the question.

[topaz flare]

ok if the world is fine why not just send a small army down in the complex

[burnt wren]

Why do?

I imagine they would just nuke the thing before sending anyone down there

[topaz flare]

yeah that is also the case

[burnt wren]

No one's insane enough to go to the epicenter of it all

[topaz flare]

if the world is fucked we may be going down to find a cure or something

[burnt wren]

Not to mention has up their ass Kovac are about it

They'd rather go to war with governments than surrender their discovery of a century

Nah, Warden is not interested in any cures. Not at the moment that is.

He's busy creating artificial soldiers to replace us.

[topaz flare]

well we dont know what the warden wants

at the moment

[burnt wren]

No idea what for though.

[topaz flare]

wdym what for its so they can go around the complex faster and better

[burnt wren]

For all we know - the thing is stuck looking after the complex and keeping it running.

[topaz flare]

the sleepers dont hunt the specimens

[burnt wren]

I know that much.

And yes, it will make their job easier.

But what job?...

Again, Warden could be just keeping complex running for the sake of it.

[topaz flare]

i doubt the warden will replace us tho

[burnt wren]

That would be so fucked up.

[topaz flare]

(the four main character)

[topaz flare]

not really

from what i understand from R1 to R5 our objective was to get to KDS deep

to wake up the HSUs

[burnt wren]

Perhaps he just needed extra man power to keep things running.

[dim scroll]

Could be one of warden's objectives, could be not

[burnt wren]

Biocom doesn't ask, it just does

[dim scroll]

When was the warden protocol injected again ?

Was it before or after the outbreak ?

[topaz flare]

the warden is most likely battling biocom

[dim scroll]

it does

[burnt wren]

We don't know. No date in that.

[dim scroll]

there are logs of biocom "fighting" warden

[burnt wren]

Frosty confirmed as much in D2

There's a screen displaying 2 getting stuck in a loop

[topaz flare]

warden oversees biocom while biocom tries to keep the complex under lockdown as due portocals

for the virus

like red scarlet from RE series

thats why we are down in the complex

[burnt wren]

Biocom goes online, tries to delete WRDN, then WRDN goes online and tried to shut biocom down.

It's not working for either.

[dim scroll]

The injection date could imply a lot tbh

too bad we don't have it

[topaz flare]

but warden has a ace up its selve\

and thats us

[dim scroll]

Well

not anymore considering D2 & E1

[topaz flare]

think about it this way in cannon we haven't died yet

[dim scroll]

Schaeffer & Henrikkson somehow managed to inject a trojan

[topaz flare]

spoilers!

[dim scroll]

Spoilers in gtfo lore

[topaz flare]

jk

[dim scroll]

bruh

😔

[topaz flare]

i haven't played D2

so idk

[dim scroll]

It's kinda interesting

Easy & short level, but interesting & fun

[topaz flare]

i need to do D1 so yeah

anyway

[dim scroll]

And the messages we see when diving might mean these are from other prisoners

[topaz flare]

heres my headcannon

we haven't died in cannon have we?

[dim scroll]

Nah

We're supposed to have cleared everything first try

[topaz flare]

and after R3 we got sectors

[dim scroll]

and we do them all

[topaz flare]

and in R3 there was a Prime mom at the end of it

[dim scroll]

R4E1's reactor is necessary to open R5

R4A3 overload as well

[topaz flare]

and Pmom is very very deadly in cannon

currect

?

[dim scroll]

canon or not pmom is the most dangerous monster

[topaz flare]

if thats the case the warden most likely counts us as very important team and thats why we are sent down to do sectors

in R6C3 the warden says we have to distract for another team right

or one of the warden protocals

what if warden knew the other team cant like survive

thats why we are doing it

cause we somehow always survive

no matter the odds

aka in biocom eyes we are normal prisoners

but in wardens eyes we are a special team

it makes alot of sense

[dim scroll]

Nah

warden doesn't give a shit

[topaz flare]

i mean you dont know that

we never had contact or ever interacted with the warden

[dim scroll]

Warden probably sends us on sectors depending on how good we do

[topaz flare]

we only interacted with the biocom system

[dim scroll]

i.e. if the sector must be cleared at all cost + the most efficient team does it

It's warden that gives us the tasks

through biocom

[topaz flare]

and for the most we know we are the most efficeint

[dim scroll]

if it was biocom, as you said it maintains the lockdown procedure

and as such wouldn't allow people to go down the complex to lift it

We don't know of the other teams unfortunately

Except that the KDS Deep can stock several thousands of HSU

& that there are at least ~200 prisoners roaming around the complex

[topaz flare]

and most of them die

most likely

[dim scroll]

Hence why warden opens more KDS Deep-like structures

More KSOs = more prisoners

[topaz flare]

and the neonate is to replace that

[dim scroll]

If it can allow to leave prisoners die, it surely has a huge amount of prisoners at its disposal

[topaz flare]

i mean yeah

but again warden never let us die

[burnt wren]

... So far

[topaz flare]

with R7C2 and R5D1

[dim scroll]

Well of course

If it can save people AFTER they clear their objectives, sure

Before that it doesn't give a shit

[burnt wren]

No issues blocking doors otherwise lul

[topaz flare]

R7C2*

i dont think warden would have any issues with just letting us die at alpha six after the collapse of the matter wave

[burnt wren]

The fuckin thing doesn't even give us enough ammo

[dim scroll]

No idea why we don't have ammos in C3 though

[topaz flare]

yeah thats weird

[dim scroll]

Makes no sense to me lore-wise

We could start with our usual ammos but no ammopack on the way

[burnt wren]

I need to see for myselg

[topaz flare]

it was most likely a gameplay thing

that they forgot will fuck with the lore

and how warden treats us

[burnt wren]

I heard that we have stove aways on c3

[harsh saffron]

The mission text literally says: "You won't need ammo here lol, you got this" I think thats fine ^^

[burnt wren]

Did we get robbed perhaps?

[dim scroll]

Ah yes

Warden suddenly saying "lol let's make your mission harder ^^"

[burnt wren]

I think it didn't expect complications or hostile entities

[harsh saffron]

I mean you don't need ammo until Schaeffer and Hendriksson mess with stuff, not the wardens fault

[burnt wren]

No need for ammo if no hostiles

[dim scroll]

a DI not exploring every possibility ?

Especially the most probable one ?

Even in A1 i don't need ammo

[burnt wren]

Ah yes, a random hacker in a cursed dead complex will fuck something up

[dim scroll]

This is dumb to me tbh

[topaz flare]

... that makes sense

[dim scroll]

Starting with our base ammos would've made a lot more sense

[topaz flare]

the only reason we get ammo or need ammo

is because those two shitheads

missed with things

[burnt wren]

There is one issue here actually

[harsh saffron]

ok yeah if you send the best 4 players in, they dont even need weapons

[burnt wren]

Why even give us guns in the first place then

Thanks for 4 kg of useless metal, warden

[topaz flare]

most likely because to take the weapons away he needed to open the HSUs

and ammo and stuff is at the back of the hsu pots

but i think duck is right

[dim scroll]

I still find it weird

[topaz flare]

after the uplink (the first one) the only reason enemies spawn is because of the other 2

[dim scroll]

Hmmmm

Actually yes

If there was no alarm

the checkpoint door would open directly

[topaz flare]

i mean think about it 2 chargers spawn each wave for that terminal

[dim scroll]

the overload uplinks wouldn't have an alarm

[topaz flare]

and warden most likely knows we can deal with it

why not save the resources

[dim scroll]

Still coming out of nowhere though

Many levels didn't need resources to be cleared

[topaz flare]

funky we are trying to fix a problems that even the devs didn't think about

[dim scroll]

Epic

[topaz flare]

we are trying to fallow clues and make connections to things that are not there

the devs most likely thought oh it be cool and than didn't look at it lore wise

or if they did

they forgot the guns

[dim scroll]

Also

for an armory there sure are a lot of weapons

xd

[topaz flare]

lol\

so thats C3 out of the way

mostly

i still dont get what E1 is all about

[dim scroll]

Reactor (mentioned in E1's description so not a spoil)

The only good point of that map is that schaeffer & henrikkson shut the fuck up after 15s

[topaz flare]

so we are sent down in E1

to turn on a reactor?

for what R8? (r7.5)

hmmmmmm

[dim scroll]

No idea

but iirc C3's quadrant thing was to access E1's reactor

I legit don't know where to place D1 in the timeline

but D2 follows C3

[real pewter]

well

in D2 you get the memory stick

[dim scroll]

yes

[topaz flare]

so C3 and D2 are to open up E1

[real pewter]

which reboot the power

[dim scroll]

Conveniently placed near you

Was it to reboot ?

[real pewter]

so you need to get to E1 to boot up the power

[dim scroll]

Not to inject ?

[real pewter]

you inject

but that cause a reboot

[dim scroll]

k

[real pewter]

Henrikson said that after you inject the trojan

so basically, D1 is warden obj

D2, schaeffer use brakes and stop you at the mainframe

inject trojan, system reboot

[dim scroll]

yeah so at this point we'll end up with 2 "teams" giving us orders

Warden & Schaeffer

[real pewter]

E1, you reboot the energy bla bla bla

well, in E1

schaeffer literally said they control warden now

[topaz flare]

WHA??!\

oh no

[real pewter]

so in R8, we'll do mission for ourself most of the time

[topaz flare]

thats bad

thats really really bad

[dim scroll]

Is it pure control ?

Or partial ?

[real pewter]

pure control

he literally tell the warden to send us down to E1

[dim scroll]

I wonder if the person who made & injected WRDN is still alive

In that case you could expect them to take over warden's control again

[real pewter]

it could be schaeffer himself

[topaz flare]

so warden is an AI of some sort?

[real pewter]

[dim scroll]

warden is a DI

that was known since R5 Ext

[topaz flare]

DI?

[dim scroll]

Decisional AI

[topaz flare]

meaning

sorry i wasn't here for R5

didn't like it

[dim scroll]

It takes a huge chunk of data & choose the best decisions depending on the objective

Basically you send it all the logs of GTFO and it'll tell you the best way to fix it

However warden was injected by someone

[real pewter]

so now Henrikson is controlling the warden

[dim scroll]

Or it could've been hidden into biocom's code

[real pewter]

he could tell the warden to wake up other prisoner

or give us a way out of the complex

[dim scroll]

He won't give us a way out of the complex imo

[topaz flare]

thats... still not good

[dim scroll]

BUT he could change the objectives

finding a cure, dealing with sleepers once and for all

[real pewter]

he could change objective MIDWAY into the real objective

[topaz flare]

is it just me that feels like being inside the complex and doing warden objectives is better than what ever Schaeffer is planning

[dim scroll]

well we don't know what he wanna do

[topaz flare]

His unstabble

[real pewter]

he wasn't thinking that far

[topaz flare]

i dont think any good things are going to come out of him

[dim scroll]

Restarting the whole complex could be a thing

[real pewter]

who sent the unit 22 after schaeffer?

[dim scroll]

No one i think

[topaz flare]

and not to mention everyone in the legion program is a criminal

[topaz flare]

no one

[dim scroll]

It was roaming around

[real pewter]

then, it just pop into existence?

[topaz flare]

it was just trying to research ways to deal with the sleeper

[topaz flare]

no we made him in R3

[real pewter]

well

[dim scroll]

in R6C2 schaeffer just says it's something with a skin made of ashes

[real pewter]

we made another one

[topaz flare]

yep

[real pewter]

and this time

we're not just sending a "bag" of human flesh to the warden

we literally made a real baby out of it

[topaz flare]

god i hope Schaeffer dies or something cause everything is a about to go (portal 2 kind of bad) bad

[topaz flare]

yeah so sad to see our child die by the hand of another person

xd

alright so from what i understand

Schaeffer took control over warden

and now he doesn't know what to do

[real pewter]

he did list a bunch of people to help him

so he'll try to get all of them in 1 swoop

he already got 5 of them

[topaz flare]

who?

[real pewter]

henrikson and 4 of us

[topaz flare]

oh yeah

[real pewter]

idk if the devs literally cancel the weapon customization by killing Maddoc or not

they could get another person that have the same skill as Maddoc

[pine agate]

Canonically cancelling a feature

[real pewter]

[topaz flare]

the worst part about all of this

[real pewter]

"Remember the guy that suppose to give you weapon?"

"Ye, he's dead"

[pine agate]

I'd expect them to canonically explain sniper melee now

[topaz flare]

is that we are most likely not going to have any control over ourselves

or the characters are still going to be dead brain drones cause they haven't fixed the voice lines

[real pewter]

right now, schaeffer is trying to get the peoples and memories back

and if you let the intro play out

you see all the memory flashing back to you

i thought we'll get our memory back this rundown just because of that intro

[topaz flare]

hmmmmmm

[real pewter]

it could be next rundown then

since we're literally take control of warden

schaeffer can literally let you stay down in any level

or he can let you stay in hsu WITH memory

[burnt wren]

Inb4 we just make things worse

[topaz flare]

yes well now we just have to take over biocom

easy task easy

[real pewter]

well, yes and no

if schaeffer going crazy then yes

[burnt wren]

That's actually Impossible.

Hsu fucks with your memory period.

[topaz flare]

schaeffer is crazy

his not going crazy

[burnt wren]

It's a side effect of stasis.

[topaz flare]

he is crazy

[real pewter]

then he'll let you stay in one of the level

idk what tf he eat down there

[topaz flare]

i think there is food and stuff down there

[real pewter]

last time we saw him eat a dead striker

[topaz flare]

its suppose to be a big complex with ppl living in it

[burnt wren]

I mean

[topaz flare]

i mean

you gotta do what you gotta do

[burnt wren]

You can just eat plants from new environment

[real pewter]

henrikson is going for a ride

[burnt wren]

Although pumpkins are fucked

[real pewter]

quote from henrikson in C3

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WE'RE DOING HERE

[burnt wren]

Getting new monitor on weekends

Pain in 165 hgz

[topaz flare]

henrikson is about to regret helping him

[burnt wren]

Coming soon

[topaz flare]

well we are going to regret helping him

[burnt wren]

Oh absolutely

[topaz flare]

cause we helped him wake up henrikson

just hope we can put a bullet in his head

[burnt wren]

The voice actor is the perfect "eventual bad guy" voice

[real pewter]

henrikson looked like a sane person

[burnt wren]

I hate it, but what can you do

No virtuous chain smokers allowed

[topaz flare]

scheaffer is chaotic neutral right now

at the end of it his most likely going to be chaotic evil

[topaz flare]

he is a sane person

[dim scroll]

He is sane because schaeffer made something to prevent what happened to maddok

Dunno why maddok went insane though

[real pewter]

well

in B1 we get a fluid collection case

[topaz flare]

sane in the deparment of mental health

[real pewter]

to make henrikson less insane when eject from hsu

[topaz flare]

like not being like schaeffer

[real pewter]

in A1, Maddoc didn't get that fluid

so he become insane

schaeffer was woke up as normal prisoner

like us

so he isn't insane

but he was in the complex for too long

[topaz flare]

but his still insane