gtfo-lore

[analog frigate]

there were some leads that that team of WHO members from switzerland did something but turned out with no leads

unknown, it's the work of project insight

[languid walrus]

Is this like SOMA again?

The Ark and such?

[analog frigate]

i don't know what that is but probably

[livid grotto]

SOMA the video game?

[analog frigate]

ah

well sorta

[livid grotto]

Oh, I meant as a question lol

Idk if he’s talking about this

[analog frigate]

within the fossil/meteorite/egg (whatever you want to call it) they found the artifacts which apparently allowed for instant teleportation to a certain location, decided by the data cubes

[scenic wagon]

damn, now you are wanting me to go back and play SOMA again, stopped playing after getting to Theta

[livid grotto]

The end was... something

Very depressing

[analog frigate]

the process of how and why it does it is very complicated

[livid grotto]

but cool one

[scenic wagon]

yeah... I know about the ending, it's really dark

[analog frigate]

i might be able to scroll up enough to the big convo discussing the possible methods of how we are able to teleport and stuff

[livid grotto]

Well the real question is not how but more why

And who

[languid walrus]

I didn't really like SOMA though.

[analog frigate]

the why is unknown

the who is also unknown

[languid walrus]

I thought SOMA wasn't scary at all.

[livid grotto]

I get scared pretty easily, so for me it was spoopy lol

[analog frigate]

someone or something made the data cubes and MWP but we don't have something to point at

[livid grotto]

alright I hope we will know more about it then

Daraxus

[analog frigate]

yes?

[eternal talon]

where is the significant evidence

[analog frigate]

the WHO team and the apparent new directives it gets

but that was a dead end

[eternal talon]

the WHO team? there wasn't even a single mention they ever even made it into garganta

[analog frigate]

yeah but it was odd why they were mentioned in the first place

said to be dispatched, never heard back from

[eternal talon]

because the log in question is a deperate way of trying to avoid the end of the world

[analog frigate]

something will be introduced that involves them probably

[eternal talon]

there are many logs talking about how bad the surface is

[analog frigate]

hypothetically they could have taken the parasite out of garganta

[past matrix]

R3D1 neonate being completely different than R3B2s

[analog frigate]

or detained from KSOs

[past matrix]

The Warden clearly having human error

[eternal talon]

that has nothing to do with WHO??

[analog frigate]

oh that one as well

[past matrix]

I didn't say it did

[analog frigate]

i mentioned it could've

[eternal talon]

yes you did

[past matrix]

Where

[eternal talon]

you said there was significant evidence that humans were helping warden or controlling it

which isn't true from what we have confirmed

[past matrix]

Where did I say Who was involved

[eternal talon]

i quoted you in this message

[past matrix]

The message that doesn't say anything about who

[analog frigate]

he didn't say WHO was involved, just people, i was the one that mentioned WHO was a possibility

[past matrix]

^

[eternal talon]

there is no mention of anybody controlling wrdn

[past matrix]

There doesn't need to be

[eternal talon]

in fact there is only information now of schaeffer trying to

[eternal talon]

there does need to be if you are telling people it is true

[past matrix]

I'm telling people theres significant evidence, which there is

[eternal talon]

there isn't a drop

[livid grotto]

DRAMA LORE

[eternal talon]

of evidence that anyone is controlling wrden

not a single log, or anything at all

[past matrix]

Frostty when inference exists

[eternal talon]

inference is a guess by definition

it isnt fact

[past matrix]

I never paraded it as a fact

[analog frigate]

@harsh saffron sorry to busy you, do you have the log where the warden started making syntax mistakes or something similar?

[past matrix]

In fact I even said "IMO"

[eternal talon]

i didnt read that, mb

but still, i haven't seen anything like that that would lead me to that conclusion

we know the warden is fighting for control with biocom over its systems.

one of the new logs describes NATO breaking up. that's like a doomsday end of the world scenario by itself

[past matrix]

There's three things that scream "there's people helping the Warden":

1. The Neonate looking very different between R3B2 and R3D1
2. R2C2 being about an alarm that the Warden started and Reactor Shutdowns having alarms caused by the Warden being a dumbass and making basic human error
3. Dev interviews and the old prealpha trailer implies there's a group behind the Warden (not just one being like the DI), although this is only evidence they planned for it to be a group at one point

[eternal talon]

are you talking about KSOs or people not under its control?

KSOs is obvious

[past matrix]

I'm not talking about KSOs like us

[eternal talon]

then no.

[past matrix]

Remember when the Warden continuously entered in the wrong code for reactor shutdowns and trip the security system

Or when they did the wrong shit in R2B3 which caused the security system in R2C2 to go wacky

[eternal talon]

1)that doesn't say anything at all about people helping the warden. it could just be simply different models.
2)its an ai, a smart one, but not infallible. it is also struggling with biocom so it may not be fully in control of its systems.
3)dev interviews should be completely thrown out. things they have said in the past have turned out to have been completely thrown out later on. key example: "no aliens"

[past matrix]

It's not just different models it's a very clear distinct change lmao, the neonate literally gets a halo

It's an AI that doesn't even know the systems of the facility it's supposed to govern?

They didn't say "no aliens". They said the sleepers and enemies we fight weren't aliens, which still remain to be true

[eternal talon]

1. what do you mean a "halo"
   2)yes, that is what the log at the end of d2 shows.
   3)the also said no zombies, which is also a technicality. but it still is to be shown that certain things the devs have said in the past are open to change. the original snatcher never made the cut yet was shown in key promotional material.

[past matrix]

By a halo I mean a halo around the neonate, lemme find an image

The log at the end of d2? Do going mean the biocom thing? Even then it still continiously enters the wrong code constantly. Is this supposed to be a smart AI or an AI that is relatively stupid

Yeah it's a technicality but I mean it's not like we are fighting the undead. We're fighting people affected by the parasite.

The Snatcher being changed means nothing; they've been bragging about the story for the past like 4-5 years and how they got a Doom writer to write the story. Simple enemies like the snatcher being changed 3 years after their last appearance doesn't mean anything

[eternal talon]

as shown in this log (prior to putting in the trojan), WRDN does not have access to BIOCOM's native code and is unable to completely erase it. As a result, WRDN seems to automatically reset the program every time BIOCOM gets close to erasing it resulting in this string of text repeating infinitely.

[past matrix]

What does that have to do with the Warden not knowing how to connect to a reactor properly

[eternal talon]

it is a smart ai but it doesn't have full access to biocom's native code and capabilities.

otherwise it would have fully erased it years ago, but even today (whenever the characters run d2), it is still fighting to not be deleted against a BIOCOM network it can't quite squash

[past matrix]

.

Here's the R3D1 neonate

[eternal talon]

i have you blocked. i can't see what you were quoting

[past matrix]

LOL

Oh wait I remember you blocked me because you were mad people thought specimen 22 was the dead guy in DX

[eternal talon]

no, i blocked you yesterday

i have blocked you and un-blocked you multiple times

and yet here i am still reading your messages

[eternal talon]

do you have a better picture? i have no idea what that thing is, but that doesn't really say anything about outsiders helping WRDN, could simply be explained away as another KSO team doing stuff, as we have seen many times them do.

[livid grotto]

Welcome to the chad frostty’s blocked group

[eternal talon]

i'm only here to discuss lore, if you want to argue with me, this is not the time nor the place for it

[livid grotto]

What

[eternal talon]

and no, that wasn't even the question. it was the mimic being s22.

[livid grotto]

I don’t think I ever argued with you, wtf you talking about

[past matrix]

Oh wait yeah my bad

It was about the mimic being s22, the thing that was obvious since the beginning

[eternal talon]

can you stop?

i've had enough of this in gtfo-chat

i'm not going to waste my time in a server where i only argue if this is how you want it to be

im only talking lore in this channel

if you want to bring up unrelated nonsense to pick fights, i'm not going to stick around.

[stone vine]

wait no wonder this game is like doom i was talking abt that to my dad yestarday

he was saying it sounded like doom that’s pretty cool

also the dead thing in dx isn’t the specimen? i thought it was?

[livid grotto]

It’s the specimen

[stone vine]

oh ok i was confused

i’m reading earlier chats lol

[livid grotto]

All good

[stone vine]

thanks homie

[past matrix]

@spring gulch i dont have a full picture of it

[spring gulch]

Thank you

[wary portal]

dang wrong date could be. still what is that explosion 🤔

[gloomy granite]

Hey does hydrostasis affect hunger or thirst?

[past matrix]

I'd imagine if you're put under, you become super dehydrated

In d1 ||you can see the baby and it's super dried up iirc until the process is done||

[livid grotto]

@spring gulch

[spring gulch]

Thanks

[harsh saffron]

Don't think I ever noticed the warden making mistakes, or are you thinking of a specific log?

[past matrix]

Reactor shutdown and r2c2

Basically in reactor shutdowns it gets connected to the reactor and starts putting in a bunch of code, but the system keeps rejecting it and it tries like 3 times before the security system activates

And in r2b3 we patch it into the security system to which it causes an error alarm due to "illegal instructions" in r2c2

[gloomy granite]

The reason I ask is, how has Schaefer been surviving since escaping hydrostasis? He almost starved to death before entering stasis because there was nothing to eat. I can't imagine afterward there's been new sources of food

[harsh saffron]

Good point, was thinking log only and never played R2 so I wouldn't know about those ^^

[past matrix]

yea a lot of people dont realize about r2c2 even if they've played it since its only mentioned when you drop down and not in the transmission or description

[past matrix]

well they grow plants and shit in the complex

[livid grotto]

Or you know

[past matrix]

Schaeffer would never do that.

[livid grotto]

Tsk.

[past matrix]

he has very clear moral standards

and cannibalism is very immoral

smh my head

[livid grotto]

😔

[peak frigate]

Ngl till this rundown I thought he was dead

[finite vine]

most significant evidence & thought-processes that suggests “The Warden” is a group of humans using the modified BIOCOM DI “WRDN”:

1. someone had to inject WRDN into the BIOCOM mainframe and edit the code from the inside.
2. the change in appearance of the neonate from R3 to R7. There is obviously some form of intelligent iteration happening with the neonate. unless Garganta has a form of conveyor belt systems and mechanical arms that WRDN has access to, there is no way a DI alone can make those changes to the neonate. A computer simply does not have enough accessibility or dexterity to manipulate the neonate.
3. We have logs describing that humans can modify and change the objective stacks that BIOCOM uses, and it is a regular process.
4. Kovac was aware that HSU’s could prevent death from NAM-V. Schaeffer has not died from NAM-V yet, despite him not using an HSU in a long time. So it is probably possible for humans to live with/ survive NAM-V. Using an HSU, or not.

There are points that suggest that it is possible for a group of people to be apart of The Warden. There are also points that suggest that The Warden is strictly an AI. Nevertheless, we are not 100% sure of either possibility.

[dim scroll]

Regarding schaeffer's & henriksson's dialog in E1, are we supposed to imply the entire rundown was to inject a trojan into BIOCOM to control the Warden ?

[peak frigate]

Yes, since the entire dialogue was about that

Imo thats logical

Not just by e1 tho. Id say d1 2 dialogues also hint this

[dim scroll]

I was too busy with Gigachad Immortal + desync'd subtitles to understand it properly unfortunately 😔

That's quite interesting though

[peak frigate]

Have u noticed the funny interaction in d2. Not that it means anything but

[dim scroll]

Especially since the tasks given in E1 are completely glitched

[peak frigate]

If you try to go to door first before picking the memo stick

Schaffer yells at you

[dim scroll]

lmao

Never tried that

[peak frigate]

Ya just dont enter to scout zone first and go for door directly

[dim scroll]

Was that key supposed to have the said trojan ?

[peak frigate]

Idk. I am yet to complete d2 so clueless about d2 and e1 lore

[dim scroll]

k

If it is then it's somehow weird

[peak frigate]

But the trojan was implied in d1 surely

[dim scroll]

What about the neonate then ?

[peak frigate]

Or at least hinted

[dim scroll]

Even more so the prisoners don't seem to be under warden's influence in D2

(since they're doing what schaeffer asks them to do)

[peak frigate]

Yes

[dim scroll]

In that case i have no idea of what the key is supposed to do

[peak frigate]

This rundown made me very confused on how warden is supposed to operate

Like

Their clearance wasnt enough in c1

Why is that

[dim scroll]

Because i can't imagine warden following schaeffer's orders

Since warden wanted to kill him

So either the key contains the trojan and D2 makes no sense

[peak frigate]

Was it schaffers clearance that wasnt enough then

I thought it was wardens

[dim scroll]

Or the key contains something else and somehow schaeffer & henriksson managed to alter warden's decisions before

dunno about clearance

I don't even get where schaeffer & henriksson are to access BIOCOM

[peak frigate]

Thru warden prob?

Are those two linked

[dim scroll]

Warden is another name for the WRDN protocol

which was injected into BIOCOM

Why, where & how ? no idea

We don't even know who made it lol

[peak frigate]

So if you control warden you would have some sort of access to biocom yes ?

[dim scroll]

if you control warden you control all the prisoners

For some reason warden doesn't have an authority high enough to open all the doors into the complex

hence why we do alarms

[peak frigate]

Yes thats weird lol

Also its clearance wasnt enough in c1 alarm and we needed manual override

[dim scroll]

we don't know what is warden's objective either

[peak frigate]

Warden is a weirdo ngl

But its indeed very strange that an AI who is responsible for all prisoners and sends them down to complex for various tasks

Doesnt have full control over the complex

[dim scroll]

I don't think it's that surprising if the entire complex went into full lockdown

Since BIOCOM wasn't supposed to be an almighty AI ruling the complex

[echo lodge]

I have no idea what's going on lore wise but this sounds intriguing

[peak frigate]

Tbh its understandable

[unborn cloak]

wait so is schafer trying to overthrow the 'warden'? sry if it sounds stupid, ive only started playing since beginning of R6

[peak frigate]

Not overthrow

Just take control

[unborn cloak]

i find it funny how the warden override option are always like: Error error, u guys gonna get fcked now, good luck xD

[dim scroll]

not even taking control i think

more like altering its decisions

[peak frigate]

I believe is to take control in the compound as much as warden ai would allow them

[eternal talon]

1. true but that was a decade ago
   2)there are thousands of neonates. There is no indication that they are the same, either. Since we fully prep the one in r7 also.
   3)same answer as 1. There is also only 2 people that had the key to even access biocom, both of which are dead.
   4)schaeffers logs in bx from r6.5 mention all KSOs being asleep in KDS deep and he did not mention finding a single nother human being while making his way there.
   5)warden is strictly an AI, a DI to be specific. In terms of controlling it, we don't know and I can't say for certain as it's not explicitly mentioned, but there is not a single reference of anyone else alive down here.

[eternal talon]

One of the first lines of diologue in d2 is Schaeffer saying to our squad "you aren't where the warden thinks you are"

And through the entire mission our objective stack reads "out of range"

[eternal talon]

I don't know about them directly, but in d2 they send us to a giant server room

Like a data vault in previous rundowns, but vertical

There are pictures way above in this chat log

But i think its important to mention how relevant the log at the end of d2 is.

The warden never fully erased biocom. The warden doesn't have full access to its code, and biocom has been trying all this time to delete the warden but the warden keeps resetting the program every time it gets far enough along. This log has likely repeated hundreds of thousands of times, and it repeats twice on the terminal while we are there

[dim scroll]

Fair but how did they manage this ?

[eternal talon]

I can't tell you, as they don't tell us

Schaeffer and henrikson were talking a lot at the start, but at a certain point talking about how to get the squad out of there once it is finished Schaeffer cuts the PA

[dim scroll]

in D2 again ?

[eternal talon]

Yes in d2

D2 has to have at least 10 or so voice lines over the pa

And it is a really short level too

Only like 45 minutes

[dim scroll]

even less actually

25 min at most if you move fairly fast

[eternal talon]

D2's purpose seems far and away to mostly be about lore rather than gameplay, as it isnprobsbly the shortest level aside from a1, and it's the final priority

I was expecting a boss or something, maybe Jerry darkness, but nope, nothing

[dim scroll]

Surprisingly there still are logs in C3 & E1

i don't know what they are talking about in C3 but E1 seems to be the continuity of D2

[eternal talon]

We already have a log in c3 posted,

[dim scroll]

with the trojan etc

[eternal talon]

Me and my group found one in c2 and posted it last night

That log was in Destination

We are gonna try running c3 again tonight

[dim scroll]

yeah i saw it

dunno where C3's is

[eternal talon]

We haven't ran it yet, so I can't say

[dim scroll]

anyone posted E1 logs btw ?

[eternal talon]

We only made it past overload and had the lobby bug

Checkpoint doors smh

[dim scroll]

Seems the notion file isn't updated 😩

[eternal talon]

of which?

[dim scroll]

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=a7a028814a6849d09280534baa3ce443

This one

i don't remember who wrote & updated it

I think it was rayalot ?

If not him it's someone he knows

[rocky wraith]

yeeeet

[eternal talon]

isnt rayalot the only one with access to the notion?

[burnt wave]

So what's the deal with the mother in a random corner of d1? Is it there for a specific reason or to just scare people venturing into a side room lol

[rocky wraith]

there's like 2 mothers so you are gonna have to be more specific

[eternal talon]

schaeffer is in control of the warden

intro PA of e1

[devout geyser]

i technically own it but he maintains it

[eternal talon]

OOOOH

MAJOR LORE

incoming

we got HUUUGE LORE IN E1

me and coolbeanz got a pic incoming

[burnt wren]

Virus-parasite symbiosis confirmed.

But virus seems to be the top in this relationship.

Probably artificial.

[eternal talon]

allens

[eternal talon]

*in plain text.
we knew about it for a while, just not the specifics

we are back in ef01

in e1

the tunnel we go through in b1 is completely blocked by charger biomass

the glowy shit

beanz is curious. if anyone has screenshots, are there more crystals than there were when we were here before?

this is a pic from high ground

[subtle verge]

Doooooope.

[burnt wren]

One of the logs mentioned time fuckery.

[eternal talon]

time dilation to be specific

[burnt wren]

I guess on destination literal years If not decades passed by between rundowns

So everything is extra thi... Infected now.

This makes bishop's miraculous return even more BS

The guy shouldn't have survived

[south lake]

If the virus is perfectly designed to infect regardless of circumstances, and doesn't negatively affect the parasite, and the parasite carries it, time to factor in the possibility that Santonian basically uncovered a - then "undetonated" - alien bioweapon, and lit the proverbial fuse somehow.

Because that sounds engineered as fuck

The virus and parasite both

[eternal talon]

just remember, their own homeworld of Destination is also fucked

will keep you guys up to date with anything else we find

o7

[south lake]

The logs don't state that Destination is their homeworld iirc

And regardless, something being a bioweapon =/= it's creators being immune to it

[eternal talon]

i know

i'm saying if it was, they also must have either intentionally or accidentally let it lose back home

[south lake]

That's something we'll probably never find out

[eternal talon]

true

[south lake]

Also

If the parasite and virus are symbiotic, we are now unable to rule out the possibility that Sleepers are on the surface

[eternal talon]

why? there are no mentions of them, only deaths

[south lake]

Because information control, denial, and propaganda is very much a common thing during times of extreme crisis

Especially where governments are concerned

[burnt wren]

I got that vibe too

But surely someone would find out

[south lake]

And given the presence of snatchers

[burnt wren]

If anything random sleepers being made inside houses would slip out eventually

[south lake]

I would argue the parasite is showing some form of self-preservation related intelligence

[burnt wren]

Still no new info in parasite itself?

[south lake]

Because up until now we've been able to just butcher sleepers left right and center

[burnt wren]

How it looks like, the behavior

[south lake]

But for some reason

Now of all times

It's taking people captive, I assume to feed or convert them?

That smacks of "trying to mitigate casualties"

[burnt wren]

Wait no

That doesn't make sense

[south lake]

Either that, or the host (meaning the swarm itself) has been down there so long that it's starting to starve to death.

[burnt wren]

What about respawning rooms with cocoons

Surely that's just way more efficient

[eternal talon]

new logs says the parasite can survive indefinitely

[burnt wren]

Or are cacoons the people?...

[south lake]

That probably takes far more energy than converting an existing body

[south lake]

Indefinitely in theory. Also if it's anything like jellyfish, chronological immortality does not mean you're immune to starvation or illness, just that you can't die of old age.

[burnt wren]

Right

[south lake]

It's possible that if the parasite has been creating these different variants of infected to see what works best in terms of self-defense (strikers, shooters, etc.) and reproduction (mothers, cocoons, etc.) that it might have come to the conclusion that it's better, easier or more efficient to separate and convert intruding humans for some reason

Either because the biomass is running out of nutrients, or some other survival-related reason

[burnt wren]

Also opens potential for new enemies in R8

[south lake]

Because why else would it make the Snatcher and put itself in extreme danger of being injured if the parasite resides in the intestine like we theorize it might?

[burnt wren]

Because if this thing only got deployed now - it will start abducting other squads

Who knows what will come from that

[rocky wraith]

Failed E1, its insane

[south lake]

Aye, it's at the very least a threat reaction

It knows it's being attacked now

[eternal talon]

we just died to the alpha mother

no checkpoints

gonna run it again

[south lake]

And the fact the Snatcher exists implies some knowledge - primal or otherwise - of tactics

Similar to how wolves will pick at prey and distract it until one of them can go for the throat

At which point they all pounce

[rocky wraith]

Already written on a log about the fliers hunting tactics

[eternal talon]

also here is a pic at the new tank

its wacky lookin

only one head

wiggly arms

[south lake]

That looks almost desiccated

Like the host body itself is dead and the tank is just wearing the remnants

[burnt wren]

Looks bloated and rotten to me

[eternal talon]

stage of decomposition?

[south lake]

I think the bloating is from that black armored shell

[burnt wren]

Wtf is that anyway

[eternal talon]

the invincible tank

e1 exclusive

[burnt wren]

Physical manifestation of parasite?

[south lake]

It wouldn't make sense to only cover certain parts of the body with it if it's able to resist shots from any direction

[eternal talon]

will chase entire level

can not kill

[burnt wren]

Super oof

But I was talking about black pikes

[dreamy hornet]

is that in one of the x1 levels or is it deeper in?

[south lake]

So it's possible that some parts of the shell are under the host body structure

Hence the desiccated comment

[burnt wave]

Wait what

The one near the area with all the tanks, didn't know there was 2

[eternal talon]

ta da

btw we found no other logs in e1

believe me, we looked

[past matrix]

honestly

it's probably because its meant to be half-charger almost

even oil-less chargers have the spikes and shit

[eternal talon]

how do you know it is oil

[rocky wraith]

I don't remember any tanks in D1

[lilac island]

is on one of the optional paths

[eternal talon]

error alarm path?

we didnt do that one

[lilac island]

nono thats at the beginning

[eternal talon]

well then we dont know what you mean

we didnt encounter a single tank

only mothers

[lilac island]

i didnt see a single mother on d1

xD

[eternal talon]

log also explains the infection fog

'fomites' from the virus in the air

@analog frigate

[dull orchid]

skinny tank

[topaz flare]

OMG ITS GREGS COUSIN!!!!

[past matrix]

It's not oil but I'm not going to call it "black goo that seemingly drips from the ceiling"

"Oil" is faster to type

[dull orchid]

holy black daddy world

[rocky wraith]

Virus is definitely designed

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994

^

[eternal talon]

We literally had like a hour long conversation about this in gtfo-12 voice channel lol

[dull orchid]

oh damn just saw

so the massive explosion was beams being fired upwards

[eternal talon]

From some explosion in the Inner

I believe we have all logs from r7 now.

[burnt wren]

Ah, so that's why we always Deploy to big giant hole that looks like something fucking ripped out from the base

[dreamy hornet]

Yep, big explosion blew a hole/hole(s) in the complex that we use as a way to get inside.

[burnt wren]

I'm surprised the facility still functions after that

The sheer amount of damage to cables and such

Also explains our unorthodox deployment method

[eternal talon]

It blew holes through over a thousand meters of rock and metal

Whatever it was it was a directed blow

[south lake]

I've been saying that for a while now, that we probably deploy using that massive hole that got punched by the beam.

[dreamy hornet]

Portions of the early rundowns were also "turn power on", "divert power", "sacrifice yourself so that another team can turn power on"

[eternal talon]

Since its many many small holes, rather than a crater

[eternal talon]

It's not just one hole, we see them all over the place. One every other level

Though I've only seen one afik in r7

[south lake]

I could see it being some kind of defense system if the Fossil is a ship like you've theorized in the past

[dreamy hornet]

O right, there's been at least one mission where you start at one hole and murder your way to another.

[eternal talon]

Potentially, but that is a metric fuckton of energy, either a weapon system or some kind of thrusters

[south lake]

True, but there again

Whatever they are, they've very likely engineered not only the deadliest virus in the known universe, but possibly the parasite to act as an accelerated mode of transportation.

[dreamy hornet]

There's an alien space ship hypothesis?

[eternal talon]

What do you think of this new log we have uncovered in e1, edeon

[eternal talon]

Not really, it's (almost) essentially fact

[south lake]

..It isn't. We know almost nothing about the Fossil.

[eternal talon]

We have known about the allens since r6

[past matrix]

didnt the explosion only happen when the miners hit a certain area

[south lake]

We don't know what it is, just that it has stuff in it.

[burnt wren]

Good ol' miners

[south lake]

That =/= Ship

[eternal talon]

The new log was bullshit to get btw

[dreamy hornet]

The "aliens" are just the floaters right?

[eternal talon]

Is in the room the invincible tank spawns in

[dreamy hornet]

Cause we met them on Alpha

[south lake]

No.

[eternal talon]

Yes and no

[burnt wren]

Responsible for unleashing ungodly horrors since 1559

[past matrix]

what do you mean it was easy to get LOL

[eternal talon]

There are allens and aliens

[past matrix]

simply dont have a skill issue

[eternal talon]

The floaters are aliens, yes

[south lake]

Not this again..

[eternal talon]

But I was talking about the allens, the unnamed species that made all of the technology and got the meteor to earth

[eternal talon]

If you got it why didn't you post it???

Lore isn't a selfish endeavor.

[past matrix]

i talked about it a few days ago

[south lake]

Floaters are alien lifeforms, but they're not the alien lifeforms that were found in the Fossil.

[past matrix]

i fear i simply forgot to post the full log

[dreamy hornet]

Oo I didn't realize there were non-plant lifeforms found in the fossil

[past matrix]

.

[eternal talon]

It was made by an alien species. Same with the data cubes, artifacts, and matter wave projector

[dreamy hornet]

So there's the fossil, then we use something from it to ?teleport? to Alpha, which has lifeforms seemingly infected with the same thing that's mauling humanity.

[past matrix]

were artifacts made by the alien species?

[eternal talon]

In rundown 6, yes

That was the concept

[dreamy hornet]

That's how the evil corps got the MWP right?

[past matrix]

could have sworn we got a log talking about how the artifacts they found in there weren't and seem to have been some other sort of thing

[eternal talon]

They aren't natural. Yes. Hammerstein collection logs and others describe the insight team "finding" them

And the log with the doctor examining one and losing an eye

The boosters the warden gives us for collecting them are unrelated

[south lake]

I'm really tempted to argue the point here, but I haven't even had my coffee yet, so piss on it.

[past matrix]

there was a new log about it in r7 though

[eternal talon]

As said in the rundown description in the rundown screen

[dreamy hornet]

Hm I need to read the r6 logs. I had to stop playing r6 when my machine couldn't handle it so I definitely missed things.

[eternal talon]

You said only a day or so ago you haven't done e1 yet

And our team was ahead of you

[past matrix]

i havent completed e1 yet

the furthest i got was the first scan since i wanted to go to bed and me and my friend were just seeing what it was like

[eternal talon]

Well then how would you have gotten this log? It's in the tank room and you have to drag him away to get a chance to get in there and use it

Unless your entire team wiped on the terminal

[past matrix]

There is no indication that the artifacts and objects we have found within the fossil were designed for use by any of the creatures, so quite how they ended up there is a mystery

[past matrix]

because its in the tank room at the very start of the expedition? LMAO

[eternal talon]

What are you quoting

[south lake]

One of the logs.

[past matrix]

the hammerstein zoo log we got this rundown in like b3

[south lake]

Specifically the one I couldn't be assed to go dig up

[eternal talon]

What creatures

What are you talking about

[south lake]

[past matrix]

bro we literally talked about this a few days ago LOL

this same exact conversation

basically hammerstein found some live specimens and shit

[eternal talon]

no

yes he he found specimens

[past matrix]

and wanted to make a zoo for them to brag to employees and boost morale

[eternal talon]

what does that have to do with the artifacts

[past matrix]

because artifacts are also mentioned in that log?

[eternal talon]

they are very clearly made by the allens

[south lake]

Good luck trying to get the beast to back down, Warden. I'm gonna go hunt down some coffee.

[past matrix]

thanks LMAO

[eternal talon]

you guys are so mean

[south lake]

If you weren't so damn difficult to talk to about lore half the time..

[eternal talon]

how do you know the creatures on display were the allens?

you just said yourself its like a zoo

and i said then it was probably them collecting other species

like john carpenter's the thing

all of the creatures recovered were infected

[past matrix]

i said what Hammerstein was doing was like a zoo

[eternal talon]

unless the allens are some multi-galactic civilization

i highly doubt it

it is very obvious what that log means

and you are misrepresenting it

we know the allens made the stuff

we know the allens made the tech

if the things hammerstein recovered weren't the ones who made the artifacts,

then its clear that it wasn't the ones who made the artifacts

so it is other species that they had collected and stored

i dont understand the confusion behind this

[dull orchid]

do we have a log page for r7 alr ?

[past matrix]

or, or

[eternal talon]

it is very straight forward to me

[past matrix]

the objects arent natural due to them teleporting inside the giant space meteorite space cave

[eternal talon]

i never said they were natural.

i said the opposite

[past matrix]

i know you didnt

[eternal talon]

we know the allens made the stuff
we know the allens made the tech
if the things hammerstein recovered weren't the ones who made the artifacts,
then its clear that it wasn't the ones who made the artifacts
so it is other species that they had collected and stored
i dont understand the confusion behind this

is my point

[past matrix]

I'm giving a more reasonable explanation than "oh well he found different alien lifeforms that weren't the main aliens"

[eternal talon]

its a very straightforward thing.

[past matrix]

especially since right after he mentions the artifacts, he talks about transportation and shit

[eternal talon]

we know the artifacts are partially made of an unidentified material

we know they are unbreakable with human tech

because of the doctor log

with the crusher

[eternal talon]

your quote here is what i am saying

im not giving you a reason as to the why

[past matrix]

i know

[eternal talon]

we dont know why they would catalogue other species

we dont even know they were infected originally

or got infected with the rest of the allen crew

[past matrix]

where is your evidence that they catalogued other species

im curious

[eternal talon]

its an educated guess because as i said and as you said, the creatures recovered were 1) multiple unique species, 2) all infected, 3) did not make the artifacts

there is no other conclusion for me to draw

[finite vine]

nah.. its not really almost a fact

[eternal talon]

tell me how then

please, show me your reasoning so i can understand your point

[past matrix]

the ones who Hammerstein theorized were transported or transformed on/onto the ship?

which considering transportation seems to be relatively fucky, with one of the presumed aliens randomly teleporting infront of a guy and just standing there

[eternal talon]

the log in question you are referring to describes multiple unique species that were all infected and all recovered for his display, right?

that is what i am talking about

if they (the ones mentioned above) didnt make the artifacts as hammerstein said, (though he couldn't really know that), then they aren't the allens

[past matrix]

and what im talking about is we know random shit has a tendency of teleporting on the fossil, which is something he brings up in that same paragraph

the only proof that the aliens made them is just that they're not natural

[eternal talon]

that statement is misguided, "only proof", that is all the proof you need

that is certainty

they dont come to exist from nothing

[eternal talon]

also what do you mean "random shit has a tendency of teleporting on the fossil"

please post the relevant log or i will not continue this conversation as i dont have a reference to quote from

[past matrix]

if someone puts dirt on the moon then just because that's not natural doesn't mean that we used it for anything

[eternal talon]

what does that have to do with the artifacts?

[past matrix]

if a piece of an alien crystal teleported onto earth then that's not evidence they made it, its just evidence that it exists

[graceful token]

Reminds me of the screens in the previous Rundown, on map B1, I think

They had some info on the artifacts

[eternal talon]

it isn't just a random piece of alien crystal

they are called artifacts for a reason

[graceful token]

And it seems that some of them are plants, not only the crystaline structures

[burnt wren]

Also, naturally made objects are not usually made symmetrical like that

[past matrix]

that's true, my bad

i concede

[finite vine]

its simple. the only evidence we have of there being an alien spaceship inside of the egg is the fact that there are a few artifacts down there, created by an unknown entity, and that's literally it. that evidence suggests that there is some form of intelligent alien life being present within the egg. the theory that there is a alien spaceship down in the egg is just that, a theory, not (almost) a fact.

[graceful token]

Which would make sense because everything "alien" would be called artifacts in proper terms

[eternal talon]

you guys only argue with me and refute everything i have to say
(using the 3rd definition)

[finite vine]

no we dont

[past matrix]

a lot of times you act like shit is confirmed lmao

[south lake]

^

[finite vine]

^ you do it a lot also

[south lake]

And then when someone tries to correct it

[finite vine]

a LOT

[south lake]

You get butthurt and start arguing

[eternal talon]

that is what happens any time I correct any of you also

[past matrix]

do I have to bring up the specimen 22 mimic thing

[burnt wren]

Hey look its the conversation again

[finite vine]

uh huh ok

[eternal talon]

do i have to contact the mods for harrassment?

drop it

[past matrix]

LOL

[eternal talon]

i told you i am not arguing about that nonsense again

i told you not to bring it up once before

i am NOT doing this

its completely unrelated to anything we are talking about, and you are only bringing it up because you have nothing else to say and want to prove a point

[graceful token]

I found a good time to join it then, eh?

[south lake]

And then there's stuff like this, where you act like we're all out to get you, when the only reason you've got different people arguing with you is because you argue with almost everyone about almost everything lore related if they so much as disagree with you

[burnt wren]

Only happens once a week

[eternal talon]

i post logs and quote everything i say when pressed

[graceful token]

Ah

[eternal talon]

i provide evidence to support my claims

it isnt mindless

[graceful token]

Although I learned something new from this already

[south lake]

Except when you don't

[graceful token]

The contaminated fog is described in a log from the new Rundown, yes?

[past matrix]

yea

[graceful token]

Hmm

[burnt wren]

Sort of, language too sciency - didn't catch it

[graceful token]

So it's a virus

[eternal talon]

Yes

[graceful token]

Would explain why there are literal fog residues of such bioaerosol

[south lake]

Less the virus itself and more that the aerosolization is a mode of infection.

[graceful token]

Since it's deep underground

[eternal talon]

Me and coolbeanz which is an expert on this stuff in a voice chat, though it was mostly just me listening to him talk

[graceful token]

There's no UV light to break up the virus DNA, or RNA

[eternal talon]

You'd have to ask him

[graceful token]

Genetic information, I mean

[eternal talon]

He was talking in sciency terms that mostly went straight over my head

[dreamy hornet]

Aerosolization of the virus is the virus, just airborne

[south lake]

Given one of the logs Frostty posted, signs point to the virus very likely being engineered as some kind of bioweapon for the simple fact that it's just too good at what it does

[graceful token]

Well

Kinda

It's not that it's airborne

It's dispersed in bodily fluids

And said fluids make up the fog

[eternal talon]

Thats what beanz said. He was talking about mutli prong attacks being impossible to happen naturally in a virus

[south lake]

Not entirely correct. The virus itself isn't just free-floating. It has to hitch a ride on something to do so.

[eternal talon]

Or something along those lines, I don't recall

[dreamy hornet]

O so the nitty gritty of "on its own in the air" vs "carried in fluid droplets in the air"

[graceful token]

Not really

Viruses in general are extremely good at infecting people

Their unit-to-infect levels are way lower than bacteria and fungi

[dreamy hornet]

I generally assume that anything viral that is "air borne" is carried by water or particulate matter

[graceful token]

And well

[south lake]

Viruses in general are good at infecting people yes, but they have limits

[graceful token]

It has to be argued whether all viruses were engineered at some point

[south lake]

NAM-V achieves max infectivity in all scenarios

[graceful token]

Yeah

With all species

[solar nova]

I mean, Frostty, you make some wild claims with convinction and then die on that hill, which makes you frustrating to talk to and funny af if you say something really fucking stupid cough HCP meta cough

[graceful token]

That's the strongest thing about it

NAM-V is cosmopolitan

[dreamy hornet]

NAM-V screams either "extensive bio-engineering" or "evolved in a really really hostile environment"

[graceful token]

And barely any virus can do it

[past matrix]

doesnt covid do multipronged attacks

or something

hold on

[graceful token]

It does, but not so efficiently

[south lake]

Which, again, is a sign that it's very likely engineered

[eternal talon]

I'm not going to fight with you here.

[graceful token]

Honestly, I wouldn't call for the engineering theory yet

[south lake]

Because you know you're wrong

[waxen widget]

don't do it ray not the GTFO drama 😩

[graceful token]

It is highly probable

[dull orchid]

do we have a list of all r7 logs ?

[past matrix]

interesting

[eternal talon]

No, beanz talked explicitly about covid as a comparison

[graceful token]

Yeah, NAM-V is very efficient at what it does

[eternal talon]

And genetic differences between variants

[south lake]

Then how about the fact that the virus and parasite are symbiotic? It kills everything it infects except the parasite

[solar nova]

Will work on soon now that some of the initial buzz is faded.

[graceful token]

Is it really symbiotic?

[solar nova]

Wiki has some logs but is outdated iirc.

[south lake]

Yes

[past matrix]

not yet; I think there were like 35 when i checked the datablocks

[dreamy hornet]

The thing that makes the "bio-engineered virus" idea suspect to me is that you (your species) would need to be naturally immune to all potential variants (good luck there) or that you're trying to exterminate every living thing.

[graceful token]

What does the parasite get

[south lake]

The log flat out states it

Extended lifespan

[burnt wren]

Infinite lifespan

[south lake]

Possibly indefinite

[dreamy hornet]

Ya the virus somehow lets the parasite live for a real long time

[burnt wren]

Provided something doesn't kill it

[graceful token]

Hmm

[eternal talon]

Log says symbiotic in quotes, so yes.

[graceful token]

What if it was the other way

The parasite was engineered to carry said virus?

[burnt wren]

Explains why sleepers are still alive despite having no access to reliable source of food

[dreamy hornet]

and the log seems to point ot putting the parasite into a quiescent state. Like it could change into something else if given space

[south lake]

I'm thinking both were

[burnt wren]

Unless they engage in hardcore cannibalism

[graceful token]

Yeah, they might be

Also yeah

Very high aggression, yet they're peaceful to each other

[south lake]

There's no naturally occurring virus that we know of that gains maximum infectivity in all scenarios, all biomes, etc. like that

[eternal talon]

Well to be fair, as far as we know all of the allens are dead

[graceful token]

Or at least ignorant

[past matrix]

i mean i wouldnt say its symbiotic in quotes

its definitely symbiotic periodt

[dreamy hornet]

O ya, im not discounting the "my species has lived long enough" angle. Or the idea that it was made as a superweapon

[south lake]

It doesn't benefit a virus to infect and kill its carrier

At all

[graceful token]

Longer lifespan isn't a marker of symbiotism alone

[dreamy hornet]

Drop NAM-V + parasite onto a planet and wait a couple decades, boom planet is open for colonization

[south lake]

The goal of a virus is to infect and propagate, which is why to date, most if not all successful viruses eventually lose their lethality as they mutate

[graceful token]

What about the more alien lifeforms

Are they affected by the virus too?

[south lake]

AFAIK there haven't been any logs posted about that.

[eternal talon]

Given the life forms and teleportation technology that links directly back to Destination, it doesn't seem like it was a planned attack. My best theory is they fucked up and were trying to escape.

[dreamy hornet]

If NAM-V is engineered, it could have been engineered as a way to prime a host for the parasites. Though that leans more into the "super weapon" angle

[burnt wren]

Smart little bastards

[graceful token]

Since if they were, it might be that the aliens just set up a biolab on Earth

[eternal talon]

Yes. A couple logs describe recovering infected specimens

[graceful token]

You know, like you always should do with dangerous contaminants

[dreamy hornet]

Ya it seems like it accidentally got to earth and then humans humaned and now there's an existential crisis

[graceful token]

Research it as far away from your home as possible

[south lake]

Why would they "set up a biolab" in the form of a meteor that completely wiped out the dinosaurs?

[dreamy hornet]

Delivery system for a test?

[graceful token]

What if the lab was set up in that meteor

[burnt wren]

Hey, this one's a classic!

[eternal talon]

NATO broke up in 2054, humanity has been kinda fucked for a while now. The game takes place sometime after 2063

[south lake]

That's akin to shoving yourself inside a nuclear missile so you can see the effects.

[burnt wren]

Aliens, killing themselves with their own creation?

[graceful token]

Not really

[burnt wren]

Must be a Tuesday scifi

[graceful token]

Just an accident which changed the asteroids path

Just enough so it hit Earth

[past matrix]

thats what i was thinking

[dreamy hornet]

I don't doubt that beyond the complex earth is a desolate hellscape. From my understanding nam-v wouldn't have escaped if the evil corps hadn't been trying to get to the iridium

[eternal talon]

Accidentally probably, I can't come up with a reasonable idea outside of genocide why they would do that

[burnt wren]

That's implied of course

[graceful token]

And if you want to set up prolonged colonies in space you'd have to protect them from cosmic radiation somehow

[past matrix]

doing shit with a deadly and very dangerous virus would be "safe" in space

[burnt wren]

I was reffering to the fact that it's a common trope

[south lake]

If we're going with the Dark Forest Theory of the universe, genocide is a very likely possibility.

[eternal talon]

It got to the surface once before I the 16th century with the mayans in Ixil

[graceful token]

Drilling into asteroids is the most straightforward way to do it

[burnt wren]

Subnautica, aliens, uh...

I'm sure there are more

[graceful token]

There sure is more

It's a fairly popular trope

Doesn't mean it's bad

But yeah

What if they had their research done in an asteroid as the means of protection from cosmic radiation and other nasty space stuff

[south lake]

Except it wouldn't if Dauda was able to find out that the virus could live in vacuum. I'm assuming he was forced to enter an HSU by circumstances before he could get around to testing that.

[graceful token]

Something changed their path

And they collided with Earth

[eternal talon]

It doesn't seem like the meteor is entirely a meteor by our standards, as chambers and kinds of other things were found

[graceful token]

There would be no use to throw NAM-V on a planet with dinosaurs

[past matrix]

true

[south lake]

Again, Dark Forest Theory.

[graceful token]

That would be like colonists coming to a new island then purposefully killing off all animals on it

[south lake]

The premise of that is "Everyone is dangerous, so you either keep your head down and hope you don't get found, or you shoot them before they can shoot you."

[past matrix]

three-body problem GTFO edition???

[eternal talon]

Again, we don't know if it's colonization, as all of destination is also dead/infected. It might have been an escape plan

[graceful token]

I honestly have no idea as to how normal viruses behave in vacuum

Like, there's no biological activity happening with viruses

[south lake]

Most of them can't survive in vacuum, AFAIA

[eternal talon]

Water bears can

So some lifeforms infected maybe

[dreamy hornet]

As long as the vacuum doesn't cause a breakdown in the virus...it would just chill

[south lake]

..Tardigrades aren't a viral lifeform, Frostty.

:|

[burnt wren]

Mold can also, apparently

[dreamy hornet]

Like Pro side, virus's don't have biological activity

[eternal talon]

I said infected, edeon

[graceful token]

Viruses aren't any lifeform

They're dead

[dreamy hornet]

they don't need water or energy to survive

[graceful token]

Well, at least I prefer the dead virus theory

[burnt wren]

Btw

[graceful token]

Since there are three theories about them, all are true and false at the same time

[south lake]

Fine, organiform

[burnt wren]

This means Mr. Log over there is not very versed in understanding viruses

[south lake]

Since we're being so fuckin' picky about definitions today

[burnt wren]

As he refers to it as a lifeform

I was immediately jolted by that

[graceful token]

Well

[eternal talon]

I said some lifeforms could be infected, don't insult me

[graceful token]

I still don't see anything about vacuum which would disrupt the virus

We test these usually in space and that comes with heightened levels of radiation

Which does disrupt the virus

[burnt wren]

I realized too late that it could be interpreted that way, but I wasn't reffering to you, I swear

[graceful token]

I'd need to read more about that though

[eternal talon]

Suuuuuure

[past matrix]

im curious, would it be able to infect people in space?

like

[rocky wraith]

bruh

[eternal talon]

Probably?

[past matrix]

if someone happens to just float into it or something or is it constantly being pushed around

[eternal talon]

Depends on contact

[dreamy hornet]

In space, it'd be the vacuum + solar radiation + random hydrogen molecules right? So as long as the virus can tolerate background level solar radiation it'd be fine

[burnt wren]

I was reffering to the big log that you posted and the guy from that

[graceful token]

Depends on how dispersed would the bioaerosol be

[eternal talon]

Ah, our expert Beanz is here (it's his job)

[south lake]

Radiation in space is uh.. anything but background

[rocky wraith]

The virus would work anywhere

even in space

[graceful token]

If it came into contact with an organism

Which is pretty hard in a vacuum

Since the dispersion and all

But yeah

[dreamy hornet]

I'm talking background radiation for space. Not our level of background radiation. Very different from here on earth with our atmo protecting us

[rocky wraith]

not job, degree

[graceful token]

If enough of the virus came into contact and the organism was still alive to be able to be infected by it, then yeah

The virus could infect something in space

You know what I mean

Dead cell cannot be infected, per se

It cannot propagate the virus because it's dead

[rocky wraith]

depends on form of death

[graceful token]

If there's nothing to produce capsids and other helper protein

And ribosomes aren't that stable iirc

[rocky wraith]

Surprisingly stable, RNA is highly versatile in the correct folded state

[graceful token]

I don't remember, I had cell biology as lectures in the previous semester

[somber kite]

biology talk👀

[graceful token]

Still, it's not only ribosomes which are responsible for the biosynthesis cycle

[rocky wraith]

The virus is designed, aliens designed it

[graceful token]

Seems like it

Since it's extremely efficient

[rocky wraith]

Yes there are a half dozen protein complexes associated with the RNA strands

[somber kite]

designed intentionally?

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, the multiple attack stratagies part

[graceful token]

The process requires energy too, yeah?

[rocky wraith]

energy less important

[graceful token]

It still is somewhat important

[rocky wraith]

Why are you suggesting dead cells anyway?

[graceful token]

I'm still meandering about the infection in space

Nothing important

[dull orchid]

oof

whats the new daddy speculations

parasite or test subj

[rocky wraith]

Basically redundancies in viruses are usually weeded out through standard mutations, the fact that this virus keeps redundant measures like this as well as containing them in the first place practically proves it

[eternal talon]

Not speculation really, talking about the e1 log

Examining quotes of text

[dull orchid]

ah

[graceful token]

The stability of NAM-V might be a sign of engineering too

[dull orchid]

so da black boys in area 51 are all ex scientists?

[rocky wraith]

Theres like a dozen signs, but this is the nail in the coffin

[graceful token]

Yeah

And now

Why would it be engineered

[rocky wraith]

bioweapon

[graceful token]

That's a pretty important question aswell

Well yeah

Bioweapon

Against what

Dinosaurs?

[eternal talon]

No, the meteor did that

[rocky wraith]

same reason we would do the same, geopolitical instability

[eternal talon]

Something on destination, I would suppose. Or some other life they encountered

[eternal talon]

Or that, the world domination approach

[graceful token]

So, a "just in case" type of weapon?

[burnt wren]

Or they had the China moment

Accidental release

Shits and giggles ensue

[eternal talon]

Well accidental is almost a given.. due to the state of Destination

[dreamy hornet]

If you're an interplanetary species someone is gonna find a reason to make a weapon to depopulate a planet "just in case".

[eternal talon]

But that's just my opinion

[graceful token]

I wouldn't call slamming a whole meteor down on earth an "accidental release"

[eternal talon]

Nononono

He is talking about on destination

[dreamy hornet]

If we're going with "engineered virus" the meteor could have been a test system

[eternal talon]

As to why they fled to earth

[graceful token]

Other than artifacts, are there any signs of alien activity in the meteor itself?

[rocky wraith]

yes, aliens themselves

[dreamy hornet]

We haven't seen the alien corpse so far though right?

[eternal talon]

There are bodies, nothing I would call alive afik

[burnt wren]

Basically Frosty thinks they killed their planet by accident, tried to escape to us, but brought the virus with them one way or another

[dreamy hornet]

just lots of test subjects

[eternal talon]

Just infected

[burnt wren]

The Double Fuck Up

[graceful token]

So they would have had to inhabit that asteroid beforehand

[rocky wraith]

Kds practically covered any of them up and kept them away from anyone else

[eternal talon]

Yepperu that about sums it up

[rocky wraith]

generally, expect the asteroid to be an actual ship

given the coating of iridium

[graceful token]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

No, only in logs

[past matrix]

the only thing close to an alien we've gotten described to us is some random creature that teleported infront of a guy who looked like it was stitched together from two bodies

[graceful token]

Either a laboratory of sorts or an arc ship

Do we have anything to rule these theories out?

[dull orchid]

inb4 r8 we got teleported into a alien ship

[past matrix]

honestly i thought that was what this rundowns new environment was going to be

[eternal talon]

No? The autopsy, and the new log you were quoting less than a half hour ago

[past matrix]

not just floodways 2

[dull orchid]

wouldnt be surprise one of the data cube leads to the alien world or home

[eternal talon]

Oh you mean allen mb

[dull orchid]

and they found out about earth

[eternal talon]

Still could be autopsy, as it isn't described

[eternal talon]

That's how we got to destination. The WMP has 3 data cubes plugged into it

And we find more in c1 and d4

[dull orchid]

yea

wen alien house

wana do some halo shit in gtfo

kek

[graceful token]

What is the destination btw

[dull orchid]

ngl the garden environment looks like forerunner homes

[eternal talon]

The alien planet in the butterfly nebula thousands of light-years away

[graceful token]

Ah

[eternal talon]

We go there 4? Maybe 5 times in r6, once in r7

[graceful token]

Yeah

[dull orchid]

wait its confirmed?

[graceful token]

First time was the desert

Then these weird vine valleys

[eternal talon]

Yeah. We had a log we had to decode that had coordinates in it

It was on the santonian website

[dull orchid]

ah

[eternal talon]

In the lead up to 6.5's release

[eternal talon]

Vine valleys?

[graceful token]

Yeah, B1

[eternal talon]

You mean the canyon in b2?

[graceful token]

Or B2

[eternal talon]

We don't go to destination in b1

[graceful token]

The one which was during the night

[eternal talon]

Uhhh

The only bit of destination in r7 at night is e1

[graceful token]

When the flyers attacked you

[eternal talon]

Where tf did you get teleported to and when

[graceful token]

Wait, B2 was about collecting the data cubes?

[south lake]

You know, something I have to wonder.. Why is it raining and pitch black out on the surface every time we get dropped in?

[eternal talon]

This is news to me, and I just finished r7

[graceful token]

Or C1

In r6

I haven't got my way to play r7 yet with college and all

[eternal talon]

Yes it is rainy and night in r6c1

Between data cubes

[graceful token]

Yeah

That's what I mean

[eternal talon]

That's like surface exposed caves or something

I don't remember any vines

[graceful token]

I remember something vine-like

[south lake]

Possibly roots from desert scrub?

[eternal talon]

It used to have jungle trees and stuff too before they updated it

[graceful token]

Probably

[past matrix]

im surprised we went to destination several times this rundown tbh

it was what, 3? different times

[eternal talon]

B2 for secondary

E1

Um

That might be it

[past matrix]

it wasnt b2 secondary

it was b3

c2 you also go at the end

[eternal talon]

Oh also c2

Yeah

[south lake]

It just seems odd and rather blatantly suspicious that every time without fail it's raining and storming and pitch black out when we get dropped back into Garganta.

[eternal talon]

To be fair it's a loading screen but I dunno

[south lake]

Mm, that's too easy of an explanation, I feel.

[eternal talon]

I know some people talked about it in here before

Something about it possibly being optimal conditions for drop into an expedition or something I don't know

[south lake]

Maybe it's a hint at what life is like on the surface now? If NAM-V is able to jump species, the extinction of a few key species could very well fuck the ecosystem to an extent

[eternal talon]

It was too long ago

[eternal talon]

That'd explain the trees, but not the rotation of the planet and it being dark, and the water cycle for the rain

[south lake]

Well, humans are nothing if not filthy with their industrialization and such

[eternal talon]

Also why we all bald

[graceful token]

Also, sorry to bother you @rocky wraith but what field of study do you have a degree in?

[eternal talon]

New e1 helmet is so ugly

[south lake]

HSU gunk probably gets all nasty in hair

[eternal talon]

But it's rare so i have to use it

[eternal talon]

Ewwwww ewwwww terrible mental image

[south lake]

So rather than deal with gummed up hair (and scalp pains from it) they probably just shave their heads before going in for the first time

For KSOs, it's probably both to keep them relatively clean looking, and as a dehumanizing tool

Because shaving one's hair off in settings like that is seen as removing a fragment of their individuality

[dreamy hornet]

Dark + rain, seems relatively easy to explain with "Humans did their thing for another ~30 years and then the planets collective ecosystem get destroyed"

[graceful token]

There's a new mask?

[south lake]

That's what I was thinking, though more along the lines of human pollution + NAM-V wiping out animal species (if it can indeed jump species)

Could be in a state of perpetual polluted rain

[eternal talon]

Cosmetic requisitions

Reward for all 10 is set

And you need to do 9 to unlock e1

[dreamy hornet]

Given the log indicating that multiple creatures seem to be from different evolutionary worlds I'd argue that NAM-V probably can just to about any species.

[south lake]

If it is indeed an engineered bioweapon, I think jumping species is a given

[dreamy hornet]

If the same virus is where those flyers are from on Alpha then why can't it just easily infect anything on earth

[graceful token]

How does it look?

[eternal talon]

Beanz has a college degree in this kind of stuff and belive me, we were in that voice chat for over an hour

[south lake]

Tailoring viruses to only affect certain species would - I'm assuming - be several magnitudes more difficult than engineering a hyperlethal bioweapon

Hence why jumping species is a given imo

[rocky wraith]

only 3rd year and university not college

[south lake]

Okay..? Cool? I wasn't refuting anything Beanz said?

[graceful token]

What field

[eternal talon]

That's still a long ass time to be studying one thing

[graceful token]

Biotech? Microbiology?

[rocky wraith]

Molecular and Cellular Biology

[eternal talon]

I know

[graceful token]

Ah

[eternal talon]

I was supporting your claim

[dreamy hornet]

Bio nerds unite

[graceful token]

So, a shit ton of biochemistry?

[dreamy hornet]

Mol and Cell bio as well with a physio spec because grad school is a curse

[rocky wraith]

basically everything from biochem to genetics

[graceful token]

Yeah

[rocky wraith]

Like its 2 degrees in one

[graceful token]

I'm on microbiology

So, you know

[rocky wraith]

yeet

[graceful token]

Getting practical shit done for other fields

[eternal talon]

You can see it in-game. Just click the cosmetic box and scroll to "complete 10 main objectives rewars"

[graceful token]

There's a small problem, I don't have my PC in dorms

[eternal talon]

Ah

Moment

I can get a pic

[graceful token]

I'd be thankful if you did so

And well

[south lake]

Real talk, I don't know how the fuck you guys do it. I couldn't even get through two semesters because the workload + unsupportive staff (who were hired to help students) + scuffed as hell classes that kept going off curriculum in-session to argue politics made me go batty, throw my hands up, and say "Fuck this".

[graceful token]

I guess you're from somewhere in the western Europe @rocky wraith? What is your take on microbiologists? Here we are always labeled as guys who get shit done for other fields

[graceful token]

I dropped 10 kilo in half a year

I barely eat or drink

It's either studying or just browsing the net because my mind is so burned out

[south lake]

That sounds like barely living at all

[dreamy hornet]

I'm a perfectionist driven by anxiety, that's all I got as to how I got through college

[graceful token]

Well that's just being a uni student

Still, thank God I didn't go to a medical uni

[south lake]

Towards the end of the second semester I was all panic attacks because I couldn't get any of the help I needed with my work, and I still had a bunch of shit to cram

Probably for the best I dropped out tbh, I probably would've snapped if I had to do another semester

[rocky wraith]

Scotland, Microbiology is a separate field from us. I haven't chatted to any of them. As far as I can tell its just growing and maintaining cultures for a variety of reasons. We learn the same but mostly focused on the research and how to utilise techniques and protocols from across all the fields to discover new shit

[graceful token]

Yeah, in Poland other fields just come to us so we can grow stuff for them

[south lake]

I wasn't bioscience though, I was trying to get into a CompSci field

[eternal talon]

@graceful token new torso and backpack as well for all secondary and all overload

[graceful token]

Apart from all the practical things

[dreamy hornet]

A lot of the biology sub-fields are just "we're focused on X" but use the same methods

[graceful token]

Okay, the new mask is ugly

[eternal talon]

thats what i said lol

[south lake]

And then changed to ITSEC when COMPSCI proved to be.. much. Too much.

[graceful token]

And yeah, microbiology is a very practical field

[dreamy hornet]

The difference between my physio program and an anatomy program was the names. I brought that up to the faculty and they got real pissed

[graceful token]

We're pretty much anywhere in industry

[rocky wraith]

They expect us to perform as one person lab, basically take on any persons role in a lab

[rocky wraith]

yush

[graceful token]

And that's what I like so much about it

[south lake]

There was always a bit of a buzz around the bioscience wing, which I thought was pretty neat

[graceful token]

If I had to do theoretic work I'd go mad

[south lake]

Big ol' fuckin card-locked door

[rocky wraith]

mmmm bioinformatics, my fave

[south lake]

No windows into the hall

[eternal talon]

backpack reminds me of the glow worms from frostpunk (the lamp on his chest)