gtfo-lore

[stray crypt]

understood

[pine agate]

Speaking of that, we might have to update the summary of expeditions again to include Rundown 6.5

Welp, now I know what I'll be doing this weekend

[amber sorrel]

Oy @eternal talon that recycle group shit does something if you watch past the terminal. It grabs two HSU’s from racks, holding Maddox and henrikkson that Schaefer’s been talking to.

[eternal talon]

i know

me and @rocky wraith watched it yesterday when running through

i dont know that they are holding those two specific ksos

henrikkson is two expeditions later

and in a completely different part of the complex

since maddox was taken while they were dragging him elsewhere

why drag his heavy ass HSU when schaeffer could have opened him there

[burnt wren]

Why did maddox attacked schaf BTW?

No spoilers for anything past b1

[peak frigate]

Anything past b1 includes b1? Asking to be safe

[burnt wren]

Was it same bullshit that got the space expedition killed or did Warden decided to intervene?

Not including b1

[peak frigate]

Hm then dunno if I can explain

The plot is in the very beginning of b1 iirc

Wait let me ask frens

If the reason was explained in a1 or b1

[solar nova]

Don't think it's explained tbh.

[burnt wren]

All I remember is that maddox said his head hurts

[regal pagoda]

Its explained later

[peak frigate]

It is explained. I just dont remember where

[regal pagoda]

if I heard right

[burnt wren]

Alright, then I need to be playing today

God this work takes forever...

Weekends woohoo

[peak frigate]

Okay its apparently in a1

If you want to find it yourself

[burnt wren]

Is it? In the logs?

[eternal talon]

no

its over the PA

[peak frigate]

My friend says " door logs "

[eternal talon]

not really

[burnt wren]

I was listening very carefully and I didn't catch it

[eternal talon]

since schaeffer was talking directly to the party

[burnt wren]

Care to explain?

[solar nova]

^

[peak frigate]

Not door logs then. Likely a terminal

[eternal talon]

its not a terminal

the entire encounter is over 2 voice logs that play over PA

one in a1, one in b1

[burnt wren]

Just spill It already

[solar nova]

Right, but it's not explained in either to my memory?

[peak frigate]

I honestly dont remember where it is from besides a part of it is from a1 lol

[eternal talon]

as to why he attacked? no

i've only played a1 b1 c1

[burnt wren]

Right, that's what we're asking though.

[eternal talon]

d1 keeps crashing on me and it's impossible for me to load

[peak frigate]

Do u wanna know whats up or where it is

[burnt wren]

He said his head hurts, vomited, then attacked without another word and didn't stop until he was dead.

That's super weird behavior.

[eternal talon]

if he was dead why would schaeffer be dragging him with his group in b1??

[solar nova]

If I had to guess Maddock might have known Schaeffer and hasn't lost all of his memories, and so he immediately tried to kill him.

[burnt wren]

He said something about burying him proper

"do right by him"

[pine agate]

10 chambers devs having to record someone vomiting

[eternal talon]

they were best friends my guy

[pine agate]

Now that's going into the Iceberg

[solar nova]

You mean Artus?

[peak frigate]

There is a very specific procedure that you need to follow in order to wake people up from HSU that requires a very specific plant

And schaffer didnt use the plant

Maddox woke up in an incredible pain that caused a tissue malfunction

Or cellular deformation

Some fancy name like that

[solar nova]

???

[burnt wren]

So
A) nam-v aggression
B) Warden orders
C) Same shit that happened to doomed space expedition

[peak frigate]

What

[solar nova]

Where is this?

[peak frigate]

A1 and b1 logs

[burnt wren]

I don't think...

I've read some plants lore in b1

But it mostly explained that they spliced them with something that allows them to grow real fast

And also explains how it is still alive

[peak frigate]

I dont mind repeating stages to find lore back. All I remember is we took our time with every fucking terminal there is to reach this

I remember now its given in a1 schaffer realises why maddox was hostile

[burnt wren]

Give me a link or quote or anything

He said nothing to me

[peak frigate]

Remind me over the weekend bro. I will provide screenies

[burnt wren]

Just cried in the corner with his notes

[peak frigate]

Now I gotta go back to work before they think I have diarrhea

[solar nova]

I'll pull all of the logs in like a week I guess.

[past matrix]

same. I don't know why; a lot of my friends have the same issue aswell

Maybe because of the environment

[rocky wraith]

just realised the neonate is called unit 23

like subject 22

[past matrix]

Yea it's supposed to be the sequel

Since subject 22s name got changed to unit 22 but very poorly so they continued on with the name "unit xx" despite it quite frankly being easier to have just named it specimen instead

[burnt wren]

I think the name change is important

The "Specimen" implies something undefined or unknown. Like something you study for example.

The "Unit" implies some kind of intention. Units are usually used for something, given orders, yadi yada. A known quantity to be used.

[past matrix]

Yea but what I'm talking about is how they changed the name partly

Only the objective text showed Unit 22; the rest of it said specimen 22

[burnt wren]

Writing is hard

I hope they don't have like 5 writers working on it

You only need 1. Always just 1.

[eternal talon]

got major screenshots

incoming

i just beat b3 pe

@rocky wraith

you will want to see this

more pics of destination from B3 SECONDARY

HSU vault with OPENED HSUs??

a log about overflow vaults IN an overflow vault

the biggest charger nest we have ever seen

lore important hsu?

[past matrix]

I thought this was the same one from R6C1

Also idk if you noticed but there's a strange rock formation on it aswell

[eternal talon]

its not the same place

way more open and has weird glowing crystals

hanging from rocks on the cliffs

[past matrix]

Hmm

[eternal talon]

i ran around it, it's one big canyon

rather than caverns

[past matrix]

I took a screenshot of what I can only assume is an alien structure in the area

[eternal talon]

took as many pics as i could

[eternal talon]

allen structure!!??

PICTURE

[past matrix]

I'm about to start a B2 but I'll send it after

It's like

Lemme draw it

It looked like this

It's just standing in the open by itself next to the big crystals and the dead guy

I remember staring at it for a few minutes in total thinking it was weird it was there; it looked like rocks stacked on top of each other

[eternal talon]

how big was this structure

[past matrix]

It was maybe 15 feet?

It was twice the size of my guy

[eternal talon]

thats bigger than the sandstone carving

whats it made of

[past matrix]

Rock it looked like

[eternal talon]

how could you tell it was allen in origin

[past matrix]

It looked alien in origin

[eternal talon]

alien or allen

[past matrix]

Like someone had stacked rocks on top of each other

[eternal talon]

?

[past matrix]

Yea like that

Like the thing on the right

[eternal talon]

you can take the time to crop an image but not post a screenshot

your killing me

[past matrix]

I'm on my phone

[eternal talon]

thats a picture of a terminal

i dont know what im looking at

[past matrix]

I'm in the middle of a game

I can't send the screenshot

Hold on

[rocky wraith]

cairns

[past matrix]

@eternal talon

[eternal talon]

That picture is too dark to see

[past matrix]

Brighten it then

[eternal talon]

I can't turn your flashlight on for you now can i

[rich blaze]

could just be a karst

[past matrix]

You cant see it but there's shit on top of the big rock

[past matrix]

Aliens

[rocky wraith]

Tbf some rocks form naturally like that

[past matrix]

Coincidence, I fear

[subtle verge]

Hope ya'll are having a grand time with discovery! Staying spoiler free until I get to play the rundown.

[past matrix]

@eternal talon

Found the log again

[eternal talon]

zoom out 600%

[rocky wraith]

Been pretty great! though some of the levels keep fucking over my laptop

looks like ram needs upgrading

[livid grotto]

Omg omg omg

Its CoolBeanz!!!

[rocky wraith]

Omg omg omg

Its MaitrePatate

[past matrix]

I screenshotted it; almost done with b3 and I'll send it when I finish

[livid grotto]

Idk if it’s too late, but yeah Perish is right

It’s in A1 if I remember right where he said that

[proven hinge]

sex in game on the next patch

my homie told me

[livid grotto]

You wish

[proven hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/tristezap3-llorarhastaquedarsedormida-gory-aimep3-oswy-gif-19873311

[fossil mantle]

so it sounds like the matter wave projector like teleports dimensions

[burnt wren]

Hey remember when i was whining about lighting?

And things being too dark?

That was a bug apparently. I replayed B1 today and it was a COMPLETELY different experience. I couldn't recognise the rooms with proper lighting.

Which brings me to a question: what the hell is B1 area anyway?

Do we have a name for it? The hydroponics or something?

[livid grotto]

I think it’s name is « Cargo »

Unless you mean by giving it an another name

[burnt wren]

I'm talking about the environment

[livid grotto]

Oh sorry

[burnt wren]

Like we have the mines, the floodways, the research facilities and so on...

Have people came up with the name for B1 like environments yet?

[past matrix]

It can also time travel

It's in the same log lol

[past matrix]

It's official name is the Garden

Or Gardens

[finite vine]

wdym time travel?

I thought it only transported people

[past matrix]

uhhh i'll post the log later but basically it mentioned that what the MWP does is transport through dimensions and shit

[finite vine]

yea but what does that have to do with time travel

[past matrix]

and so hypothetically it could do shit like bring people 30 years in the past or 1000 years in the future

[finite vine]

I would like to see the log your talking about

which level is it on?

[past matrix]

C3

[past matrix]

@eternal talon here's the one log

@finite vine here's the other

i forgot to take a screenie of the continued aprt but it was basically saying his team could have gone to the past or the future

[rocky wraith]

bb looking unhealthy

[eternal talon]

we just cheesed d1 lol

[eternal talon]

saw this one

weird time displacement stuff

me and beans were talking about it mid-level

the other one i haven't seen

cool stuff

[rocky wraith]

hydroponics

[eternal talon]

welcome to the jungle

[south lake]

Just an FYI for the taking pictures with your phone of your screen crowd

Assuming you're on PC

CTRL + SHIFT + PRTSCN snaps your entire active screen.

Case in point: (Sorry it's not GTFO)

(Also useful if you're on PC and just have a hard time taking raw snapshots in general)

[eternal talon]

skaven ftw

that's total war warhammer 2

[south lake]

Sorry, you mean Ikit Claw ftw

[eternal talon]

sorry, you mean clan eshin ftw

[south lake]

Ratling Gunners, Warpfire Throwers, Warp-Grinders galore, yes-yes

[eternal talon]

sneaky rats

[south lake]

And maybe the occasional Ogre for a meatshield

[eternal talon]

ehh, i find the doomwheels more usefull but thats just me

er, not the doomwheels

the little ones

in a squad of 4

[south lake]

Doom-flayers? Those are squads of two

[eternal talon]

yeah]\

i think

[south lake]

Also better used as flankers

Run them in, collision damage, cycle back and do it again

[eternal talon]

well thats what ogres are for

they are both flankers

for anti-cav or archery

also artillery, but that depends on the faction

[south lake]

It's a shame you need mods to make cav/monstrous cav useful now

[eternal talon]

doom flayers yes

[south lake]

They nerfed weights so bad with the latest (and last ever) patch

[eternal talon]

in multiplayer they are in squads of 4

weird

or at least they were last time i played

[south lake]

Heavy Cav literally takes more damage than it deals against unarmored cheap infantry with the latest patch

When they're charging

So you need mods to fix it

[eternal talon]

does that include machines like doomwheels and flayers?

[south lake]

Yes

[eternal talon]

or just ogres

whaaat

[south lake]

All heavy cavalry

[eternal talon]

thats terrible

[south lake]

Mhm, they did it to stop infantry from being able to push through meat walls

[eternal talon]

guess it's all plague catapults now

[south lake]

Because what would happen is they'd partially doomstack infantry and then just push through their defensive line to get at the squishy high-damage bits in the back

Like it would literally push infantry out of the way

But they were overzealous with it so it ended up making heavy cav and light cav especially trash game-wide

Thankfully there's a mod that reverts that for only cavalry and monstrous type units

So they can still plow through defensive lines like they're supposed to

Anyway, have fun talking lore. Gonna get off this topic before we get yelled at

[eternal talon]

LIVING????? LIVING ALLENS?

[past matrix]

yes

how did you cheese d1 btw

[eternal talon]

same we always do

c-foam door bug

its not going to be patched.

since it is "deliberate" and can't easily be done on accident

-calle

[past matrix]

You should describe it tbh

[eternal talon]

why?

[past matrix]

So I can do it?

[eternal talon]

it's been in the game since r3

oh yeah i'll dm you

[eternal talon]

@past matrix NATO is gone. NAM-V truly, fucking the world.

[finite vine]

"Yet while these parochial hostilities may pick away at the fabric of our society, it has always seemed repairable once the dreaded NAM-V has had its microbial ass kicked."

Quoted from the log, it sounds like humanity has weakened NAM-V? Or did I just read that wrong.

[eternal talon]

"once we beat it we can repair society" is what it reads as to me

the bit you quoted, i mean

[finite vine]

Ah yea that sounds right. It is honestly worded quite weird.

[eternal talon]

so yeah, punk and daraxus' estimates seeming more and more likely of complete societal collapse

as this is only a 2054 log

this is before even the new log with goldie (i think? wasn't that one 2055?)

[finite vine]

well we already knew that the WHO didn't find a vaccine for NAM-V by 2058

and we know the symptoms of NAM-V but not much else. We don't even know the incubation period or how long it takes to kill people.

[eternal talon]

well i mean the game takes place sometime after 2063

it isn't 10 years

so it doesn't really matter in the end in regards to incubation

[finite vine]

well I'm saying we already kinda knew the world was in trouble. this log basically gives us repeated info.

[eternal talon]

more than in trouble

this is.. apocalyptic, as predicted.

[dull orchid]

so basically we are all playing as harisson ?

since schaffer was talking to us in d2

[eternal talon]

no

we know who we are

bishop woods hackett dauda

each has their own backstory

you can listen to their audio tapes detailing their backstory in the notion.so or view it in text format on the "for dummies" document. both of which are in the pins'

[past matrix]

alright

just got done with d1

[past matrix]

So basically

according to an e1 log

nam-v will transform itself based on the host in order to increase infectivity

and will do its best to infect as many people as it can

the parasites are directly impacted by it

nam-v increases the parasites lifespan which in turn the parasites will spread it around and be able to get hosts and shit

[upbeat frost]

so sleepers are made from parasites?

[past matrix]

yeah

which in turn can only make sleepers via nam-v

[upbeat frost]

are there sleepers up there on the surface or just the nam v?

[snow yarrow]

The speculation so far the surface is still dominated by nam-v

or most are nam-v

[past matrix]

oh yeah and also

fyi

there's schaeffer and henderson voicelines in a1/b1/c1/c3/d1/d2/e1

so just keep an ear out

dont know about c2

[snow yarrow]

one thing to note: it looks like since the r7 Schaeffer timeline and action are finally in sync with ours

duo action from A1 to E

[upbeat frost]

schaeffer be formin his squad

[gusty rover]

aight

can someone tell me what the hell is going on i nthe game

game doesnt really tell me anything bout the story

and im already confused

[analog frigate]

i suggest checking the pins for some summaries and such

there you can also find a list of all logs and personnel

there is the wiki as well

[gusty rover]

wish this game was more focused on the story

[analog frigate]

oh it is

very much so

it's just not on the surface

[gusty rover]

making it really hard for me to keep coming back to the game

ah well

[burnt wren]

It went the dark souls route

The story is there but its so badly scattered about that there's no fucking way you can piece it together without specifically aiming for it

[gusty rover]

dark souls is much easier to understand than gtfo at the moment

[burnt wren]

Also the fact that previous rundown lore is removed doesn't help

[livid grotto]

bro dark souls is way worse

[analog frigate]

i would say that it's just complicated

[burnt wren]

That would be understating it

[analog frigate]

the learning curve of knowing the story is very steep but then goes flat

after you get into it, it's very good

[gusty rover]

I had a easier time learning about the lore in that game than gtfo

[burnt wren]

By yourself or

[gusty rover]

items descriptions, character dialogue and such

for me gtfo just seems to be lacking a lot

[analog frigate]

they use different typed of storytelling

[burnt wren]

I love flavour text

[livid grotto]

anyways both lores are great

[analog frigate]

this doesn't have everything put into it already, you have to piece it together afterwards

[gusty rover]

I really do not want to go to every terminal just to find out what the lore is

just tedious and annoying as heck

[burnt wren]

Double that

[analog frigate]

that's what the notion page is for

[burnt wren]

Even better when you find a terminal and too busy fighting that you forget to read the log

[livid grotto]

my friends just C-Foam the terminals to force me stop reading the lore 😭

[burnt wren]

exactly

[livid grotto]

anyways bred man, it's worth it the trouble of reading the logs

the lore is good

[gusty rover]

not really worth the trouble for me

im not a story fanatic

[burnt wren]

ah, there's the issue

these games requires you to be that

[gusty rover]

yeah but I don't want to

[burnt wren]

understandable

[analog frigate]

then there's the rest of a good game to enjoy

[gusty rover]

I don't want to go to every terminal and read text

[analog frigate]

again, you don't have to

[burnt wren]

In that case - just enjoy shooting some monsters. Or watch a youtube video, i'm sure there's some good ones out there.

[livid grotto]

all good, there's youtube videos

[analog frigate]

https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

[gusty rover]

at the moment for me the game is just plain tedious and hard, not fun

[burnt wren]

ah, but it always was like that

[analog frigate]

it was harder before

[gusty rover]

this is my first time playing gtfo

[burnt wren]

Heh

[livid grotto]

sus...

[gusty rover]

no

[burnt wren]

trigger happy havoc starts playing

[livid grotto]

yo Artek

have you played B2 yet?

[burnt wren]

nope, might attempt today

Yesterday was so fun

I decided to tutor 3 new guys and together we did A1 and B1

Honestly? We did worse in A1 than B1

The price of trying to teach them how to stealth-jump big guys

[livid grotto]

haha, will get a bit of time to get used to kill stealth-kill giants, especially if they got knives/bat but in the end it will be worth it

alright ill ask you an another day, had some questions about the voice log in B2

[heavy lodge]

Any lore reasons (apart from Warden got loaded with trojan) why e1's objective just to start a reactor?

[analog frigate]

probably more power is needed for other sectors

also what exactly do you mean by the warden having a trojan?

[past matrix]

D2 I'd assume

[analog frigate]

ah, haven't gotten to that one

[heavy lodge]

Schaeffer and the Henriksson guy decided to upload a trojan to Warden to cause it malfunction and send team down to repair the reactor...

[analog frigate]

then i'm not sure

someone else will have to answer

[eternal talon]

I have pictures

Will post when I get on my pc

I just did d2 last night actually

Super super easy. Did it solo with bots

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate

[south lake]

That last screen almost makes it seem like WRDN got purged so the original BIOCOM process could be brought back online.

Or the trojan that was mentioned is trying to purge WRDN

[eternal talon]

terminal is before you put the thing in

it doesnt change after you put in the trojan

also this level has a fucking alpha mother

just sleeping in one of the side rooms

[south lake]

So wait, if that terminal's like that before you put the Trojan in..

[eternal talon]

correct. it is that way before you put it in

[south lake]

It almost seems like BIOCOM is constantly trying to recover and overwrite the WRDN?

[eternal talon]

once you inset the trojan, you haul your ass back to extraction

[south lake]

And is just stuck in this feedback loop of recovering, WRDN shutting it down, repeat ad nauseam

[eternal talon]

//
retrieving>>>

BIOCOM.online

infiltration attempt detected

exec.seek_and_destroy.module

err4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4r

^14C4#.vaulted

WRDN.4nl@ne
attempting recovery please stand by

. . .

//
(then the log repeats)

[south lake]

I know, I read it

[eternal talon]

just posting for @solar nova

[south lake]

Ah okay

But yeah, seems BIOCOM has been trying to resist WRDN this entire time, then

[eternal talon]

potentially

yeah

[south lake]

I wonder then, if maybe some past objectives were BIOCOM giving orders, and some were WRDN?

[eternal talon]

though it would make sense

its a feedback loop of trying to break free while WRDN is puppeting the system and constantly resetting it

this terminal must have been repeating for at least 10 years

thats thousands of iterations

[south lake]

Mm, I'd argue it's most likely just resetting the partition/server that BIOCOM is trapped on, not the system itself

If it kept resetting the system itself, there'd be all kinds of interruptions, mentions of the stack system resetting/being "unavailable, please stand by", etc.

[eternal talon]

this pit btw is a giant server room that goes below the floor and above the ceiling

sort of like the kso vault in r5

[eternal talon]

pictured here

[eternal talon]

and here in middle pic

[south lake]

Interesting. So that may very well be the BIOCOM core system.

Which would explain why that text is there. BIOCOM's primary intelligence is stored in those banks.

While its functions are likely stored elsewhere and run remotely

(Likely for security purposes. You wouldn't store all your backups in one spot, to use an example. Too easy to wipe them all in one go.)

[keen mantle]

Honestly, it feels like the WRDN is our enemy this RD this time. Considering what happened in C1

[south lake]

I mean it was pretty well established that the WRDN has been using us from the beginning.

We're nothing more than meat puppets for it that can fill the role of "hands" to influence the physical world where it can't

There's systems that it can't access without a meatspace bypass being enacted, programs it can't trigger remotely, etc.

[eternal talon]

thats not whats said in the level itself

i dont remember explicitly what it said

but its some kind of data center for it

i dont know

but i know it isn't biocom's core

[south lake]

I mean, that's what a datacenter is.

[eternal talon]

schaeffer and henrikson talk about it differently

[south lake]

Datacenters aren't just passthroughs, they store a lot of core functions and programs

[eternal talon]

thats not what i mean

bad wording

its not the core, its some offschute

meant to get biocoms attention in d1

[south lake]

Offshoot. And maybe instead of it being the core, it's instead one of the locations of its subroutines/functions.

[eternal talon]

so that it could be planted in its systems where it wouldnt notice. some other part of it

i dont remember what he said exactly

[south lake]

The problem though is..

[eternal talon]

and i dont really want to load back into to d2 to go get that single sentince

[south lake]

How the hell would WRDN get access to BIOCOM without administrator access of some sort?

Access that a server storing its programs and functions wouldn't have?

[eternal talon]

certain staff had override keys

afik in the lore we know of two people

the guy who installed it

and the head of either kovac or smc

dont recall

[south lake]

True but neither of those people would really have motive to sabotage their own system

[eternal talon]

if it was smc's head, and it's kovac's system

[south lake]

Which is exactly what this is, since it's very clear that WRDN doesn't have root access to BIOCOM

If it did have root access, it wouldn't be actively resetting it and keeping it shut away

Because it wouldn't need to, it'd just wipe it out and take over its position

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=c94123abe41149408658cb6815d974cd

clinton has the overrides

yes, one of the heads of SMC

not kovac

so that could be your reason for sabotage right there

garganta got really tense in the last few years

while shit was going to hell down there

then clinton died

we don't know why he was murdered

could be related to this

clinton was, quote;
//I have tried to explain this to Andrew Clinton, but he is reluctant to allow us the access we need. I have told him we can insertback doors if he doesn't want us to refactor the systems and explained we won't need any engineering support from him. I have also reiterated that he will have override codes to limit BIOCOM access in case of an emergency.

But he won't budge and is asking a lot of questions that I feel he should not be asking. Can you talk to him to straighten this out?//

[past matrix]

mainframe?

[eternal talon]

i dont remember what schaeffer and henrikson say

[past matrix]

that's what its described as in d1, at least: the mainframe

[eternal talon]

its in the early-middle part of d2

i think

but i know they talk about it while you are doing stuff

its like a 40 minute level. its short

lore centered, mostly

they talk most of the level

[past matrix]

yea

i wonder if they had plans for most of this rundown to be story missions

[eternal talon]

i dont think so

i dont remember

[past matrix]

it should be it

since thats why we go to d2 in the first place

[eternal talon]

i sent you the cheese, have you already done d1 and have access to it?

[past matrix]

yeah

i forgot about the cheese lmao

[eternal talon]

wdym

[past matrix]

i dont see how it would be useful

the level is easy by itself

[eternal talon]

your crazy. you can solo just about any level

afk through half of d3 last rundown

its miracles

[past matrix]

did you do both class x's or did you do the skips

[eternal talon]

of what

d1?

[past matrix]

yeah

[eternal talon]

class 10 and class 5

[past matrix]

mid strat tbh

its made much easier by going through the error

[eternal talon]

we didnt bother

we cheesed first 10 scan then did the checkpoint door

d1 runs like shit

its performance was horrid

and was constantly awaiting another crash

had 60 fps in every other level, in d1 had 12

crashed 40 times before it loaded once

wasnt about to get a return to lobby and spend another 3 hours just trying to even load in

no thanks

[past matrix]

i think they focused a lot of time on making Gardens look cool

than actually focusing on performance of it

[eternal talon]

60fps to 12 isn't making gardens look cool

its some kind of memory issue or something

the entire unity game engine was crashing

not the game itself or on my end

a friend of mine i was playing with was having the same issues

[eternal talon]

i guess if i have time i can run through b2 again and see what he said exactly

[sturdy ridge]

so why did that guy spas out in A1?

[eternal talon]

maddox?

[sturdy ridge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

uh, could be he wasn't woken up in the correct method or schaeffer did it wrong

i am not sure

could just also be he was unhinged going into HSU and came out that way

[sturdy ridge]

is he dead from that cause that wasnt very clear

[eternal talon]

if he wasnt then he is now

go play b1

[sturdy ridge]

kk

[subtle verge]

Maddox got stabbed to death, I think. Sounds like he took a knife to the side of the neck amidst the struggle.

Or some sharp object.

[eternal talon]

ehh, i don't think maddox was fully dead or if he was it wasn't in such a gruesome manner

schaeffer and his pals were dragging him to a different part of the facility

before he got jerry'd

[subtle verge]

Perhaps. It just sounded to me like Schaeffer defended himself from Maddox and incidentally killed him; the "Why did you make me do that?" made me think that happened. I could be wrong, though.

I've only played to B1, so I don't know much beyond that.

[eternal talon]

he isn't mentioned again after

i've posted some of the stuff from the other levels in here

shit gets crazy

[subtle verge]

Trying my best to stay spoiler free of anything I haven't played yet. Hopefully my crew is able to play tonight and we'll get C1-E1 done before we delve into the 2s/3s.

[sacred moon]

might be possible that Maddox only got knocked out

uncertain on the exact wording of both audiomessages relating to that

A1 and B1

or is it audio-feeds, since evidently live?

[past matrix]

im under the impression he's dead

schaeffer says how Maddox's body was taken

and the use of "body" makes me think of a dead body

instead of him just saying "it took maddox"

[fleet geode]

Ye

Also getting stabbed doesn't help ones overall health

[eternal talon]

Well I mean he is dead either way

Jerry got him in b1

[cobalt mulch]

r6cx schaeffer whiteboard

that changed on x patch 1

maddox struck out and henriksen added iirc

[eternal talon]

extended and r7 were being developed at the same time

levels first lore later approach?

would be a shame if true

[cobalt mulch]

why change that whiteboard months before r7 to reflect what happened to maddox and how Klas was ||set free||

[eternal talon]

klas?

[cobalt mulch]

klas henriksen

[eternal talon]

ah

[cobalt mulch]

(read the subs in c1)

[eternal talon]

i know who henrikson is

[cobalt mulch]

read as in past tense "i read the subs", not imperative "you, read the..."

english <slow clap>

[eternal talon]

read or read is the difference

different tense spelt the same

[cobalt mulch]

yeses.. but pls remember r6cx wb

that shit had happened when we went thru it

[frail pollen]

hmm what are you confused on?

[toxic wagon]

Do we have any lore behind the new enemy?

[frail pollen]

New enemy go ||om nom nom nom nom||

[toxic wagon]

[past matrix]

Only that it was being experimented on

[toxic wagon]

From what I recall People affected by Nam V aren't affected by what makes them turn into sleepers

If I'm remembering correctly that is.

[past matrix]

Nah it's the other way around

If you don't have Nam V you seemingly won't be a sleeper

[toxic wagon]

Ah

the prisoners have Nam-V if I'm not mistaken.

Or I was lied to

I was thinking if it's an experiment of people who seemingly cant turn into a sleeper but experimented and were able to mutate into the new enemy type

[eternal talon]

no?

it didn't come from the vat. it came from one of the side rooms

likely though, but i wouldnt say it as a given

[toxic wagon]

that doesnt mean it wasnt experimented technically but ok

[eternal talon]

nam-v doesnt make sleepers

the parasite does

[toxic wagon]

As far as I know. It wasnt guaranteed to be a parasite frostty

[eternal talon]

why you decided to update the logs in cx when you were developing both at the same time

[eternal talon]

it has been for a long time

[past matrix]

Very obviously there was one in the vat at some point

[eternal talon]

hazmat log

[toxic wagon]

Many have said that but it was never certified

[past matrix]

Also it is a parasite

[eternal talon]

its said explicitly in one of the new logs

and the hazmat log

[past matrix]

Nam-V allows the parasite to live long enough to find a host and spread nam-v

[toxic wagon]

New log proved it then

[eternal talon]

im mid-game

[toxic wagon]

But prior it wasnt certified

[eternal talon]

im not doing this with you

it was certified prior

[frail pollen]

We realized that after we initially released R6.5 that the whiteboard was incorrect, so we updated the whiteboard to be correct with the lore.

[toxic wagon]

Also warden already corrected me on that

[eternal talon]

you trust him but not me i see

[past matrix]

I fear I have a trustworthy vibe

[eternal talon]

its the same info

ffs

[toxic wagon]

Not when someone is downplaying me about it

[eternal talon]

if you dont trust me then dont ask me

i'm busy

[keen mantle]

I do have a question: WHO overrode the WRDN “Access Denied” on C1?

[toxic wagon]

Frostty I've also known u to be pretty biased is why

[keen mantle]

Cuz whoever it is… thank god for that

It’s either Schaeffer or Biocom idk. That coding mess was really freaky

[toxic wagon]

Could it have been Klas?

[eternal talon]

warden is fighting for control with biocom

terminal in d2

log above

[keen mantle]

I don’t know. Klas was in process of getting its chip out at the time

[toxic wagon]

Hmm

[eternal talon]

here

log repeats identically forever

picture of the terminal above that one

i posted a bunch from b2 yesterday

[keen mantle]

Odd

It must’ve mean that WRDN is still attempting to remove Biocom for good?

[eternal talon]

it would seem so

biocom keeps repeatedly trying to erase the WRDN file

and warden resets it

[keen mantle]

But I’m wondering what is preventing WRDN from “erasing it completely”

Is it because it doesn’t have the source code of Biocom?

[eternal talon]

no idea

no logs in that room other than that

[eternal talon]

to add on to this kaus and schaeffer hadn't put a trojan into biocom yet

they do that in d1

well, d1 and in d2

thats the plot of those two levels

schaeffer sends us on an unaproved expedition

[keen mantle]

Weird

[eternal talon]

it shows out of range on the hud in d2

and in d1 we were doing something else

and schaeffer had us do stuff while we were there

[keen mantle]

So Schaeffer and Klas are planning to try and put a Trojan virus into WRDN if WRDN attempted to mess with Biocom again?

[eternal talon]

no idea as to the why

we didnt go to biocom

just one server room or something

they said what and where we went,

but i've forgotten

its said in d2

[keen mantle]

Hmm ok

Cuz from what I’ve heard in D1… Schaeffer and Klas were talking about HOW to get to the room… which was NOT part of their plan.

Hence the “what?” And Klas’s cursing

[past matrix]

i dont think its if they attempted to mess with the biocom again

my understanding is (i havent completed C3/D2/E1 yet) Schaeffer and Klas are trying a trojan virus into WRDN in order to essentially try to kill it, it seems like.

probably so biocom assumes control

[keen mantle]

My thing is: WRDN is an AI program so it could potentially detect the virus unless there is something hiding it which is why I was thinking they’re gunna try and hide it inside Biocom

But since WRDN has a TON of access (but for some reason not FULL access) it would make sense that it can detect any attempts of altering or modifications. So that D1 “server room” chat was highly unusual

[eternal talon]

hammerstein found multiple species of allen apparently

so either they were collecting other species sort of like a zoo on the meteor, or i dont even know what

since he says they are biologically different

makes me think of john carpenter's the thing

and how that alien ship was collecting other species

[keen mantle]

Hmm

[past matrix]

yknow with all this shit involving us fucking up the warden

id like to see a rundown where we're fully against it and its against us

[eternal talon]

d2 is a hint at that

the entire level is our group and schaeffer working together

with zero biocom objective stack

[past matrix]

they had an idea awhile ago of having shit like automated sentries in the complex that would shoot at you, and i could see them taking a step forward with that concept and making it the security system overall

[past matrix]

i know, but im talking about the Warden trying to attack us and we're trying to attack it

not just us doing wacky shit without its knowledge

[lilac island]

i suppose the warden lost contro lcos of schaeffer and even he doesnt know what the hell we are doing anymore

so it goes to chaos i dunno (E1)

[eternal talon]

haven't played e1 yet

[lilac island]

why the warden would send you if yo uare a safety hazard at all : o thats my question. dude yo ugot such an intressting idea over here

[past matrix]

trying to kill us

[eternal talon]

we are the most valuable team to the warden

we keep coming back alive

[past matrix]

there's been several expeditions where the Warden straight-up expects us to die, so if we posed a threat to it, i dont think anything would necessarily change (except maybe it'll try harder to rig things out of our favor)

[eternal talon]

and i dont think it knows what schaeffer is doing, given d1 and d2 it doesn't even try. it knows we are out of range but doesnt do anything about it

and it had to have let us down there in the first place

[lilac island]

dont get me wrong it doesnt seem like that (for an AI yes, but we never found other teams)

yes

[eternal talon]

there are other teams

there are up to 32,000 other KSOs down here with us

[cobalt mulch]

r5b4 r6c3 "parallel operations"

[subtle verge]

Man, the State of Truth log out of C1 really puts into perspective how crazy NAM-V is. To lose 172m people in only three years, in the US alone, is insane. That's roughly 157,077 people per day.

Probably super late to this conversation, but c'est la vie.

[eternal talon]

we also got another log about the parasite

i dont remember where the picture was, i'm fairly certain @past matrix has it

most of the extended log hunting has just been a race between me and him

[subtle verge]

I'm staying spoiler free from it. Have only gotten to half-way thru C1 so far with time constraints with my group.

Haven't even seen... "Jerry" if that's the nickname you've given it?

[eternal talon]

its kind of spoilery for c1 but important, stay out of the shadows and stay with your team

or jerry will take you away

[eternal talon]

he shows up near the end

i didn't name it jerry

[keen delta]

hmm

[eternal talon]

its one of the community names i keep seeing

so i'm just going with that

[final sentinel]

i hadn’t heard Jerry

[subtle verge]

Gotcha. My team got stomped at the team scan. We were only 3 + a bot.

[final sentinel]

Going with that now

[eternal talon]

since snatcher is already something from the old trailer way back when

and it looks nothing like the new enemy

but yeah. you'll know when you encounter him

because at least 1 person on your team will be screaming

literally nightmare fuel

[subtle verge]

Haha. Will keep that noted. Question, without keeping it too spoiler-y: is it an instant death mechanic or is it something we can combat against?

[eternal talon]

sort of both

he will snatch a player seperated from the party and drag them away to eat them

[final sentinel]

That was me lol

[subtle verge]

Noted. Hopefully will be able to get thru it tonight. Excited to experience more lore stuff on top of the game.

[eternal talon]

if you or your teammates are fast enough you can kill him before he takes your teammate away

[final sentinel]

C1 is a banger level

Careful with Hel weapons tho

[eternal talon]

but yeah, he will melt through the grabbed player's health bar like it is nothing

i'd reccomend never splitting up past anything but a group of 2

never go by yourself, solo content is dead

[final sentinel]

Oh I didn’t even think ab solo

Tnenpi will find a way

[eternal talon]

yeah jerry'd basically make that impossible for some of the overloads like d1s

where there is a constant trickle of jerrys

[finite vine]

If you are full hp, he can snatch you a few times before you die.

[eternal talon]

tbf depends how far away he drags you too

i had one guy get grabbed 3 times in a row while we were clearing c1

[finite vine]

lmao

[south lake]

Sounds like it's time to ask that person "And you thought running off was a good idea after the first time why exactly?"

[languid walrus]

Is it known at all why the neonate is needed?

[past matrix]

so basically

neonates were used in this thing called Rise which basically made soldiers from birth via artificial wombs; they grew much faster than normal people (like immediately from child to adult)

in r3 we transported a neonate and shit but it was most likely killed in its adult stage last rundown

so we're transporting the neonate now to make another person; its unknown why exactly though

[past matrix]

if anyone is interested

and doesnt mind being spoiled

here's the full Schaeffer story this rundown

||The revolution has begun. Schaeffer has the prisoners send two HSU units to him, specifically for someone named Maddox and someone named Henriksson. He opens Maddox's hsu but to his dismay, he starts attacking Schaeffer and Schaeffer is seemingly forced to kill him. When he is moving the body, a Snatcher appears and runs away with the body. Schaeffer wakes up Henriksson who is an engineer with deep knowledge of the Complex's systems. Their goal is to upload a trojan into the Warden. Henriksson has no memories and is still a KSO, so Schaeffer has him go into a machine to remove the chip he has (but his memories still dont come back; he just knows info and doesnt know why). The prisoners are sent to establish an uplink so Henriksson can put a Sniffer in - basically something that views internet traffic. It's sent but the security system detects unauthorized access which locked down a security door needed for extraction and was preparing to start an alarm. Henriksson gets the door open but the quadrant starts going into lockdown. He manages to save them in time. Henriksson realizes they can fuck up the Warden if they put a Trojan in the mainframe. This however requires us going to the actual mainframe itself, which would require the Warden dropping us to it at some point. Schaeffer realizes though that he could just use the brakes to drop us at it. The prisoners drop near the mainframe but the Warden tries searching for them unsuccessfully as it knows they dropped somewhere different. Schaeffer, eager to upload it, tries to hide the fact that he has no intention of getting the prisoners out once the Trojan is uploaded. The prisoners upload it to the biocom-mainframe when it goes dark and the facility seemingly starts rebooting. The prisoners manage to extract. The Warden is now fucked up and is under the control of Schaeffer, who instructed the prisoners to activate a reactor. Schaeffer and Henriksson decide to lay low while the Trojan takes effect.||

[wary portal]

c3 is definitely not wardens mission is it?

it's schaeffers due to the communication, the fact we drop in with no ammo (implying the warden loads us up) and the overall objective

how did he wake us up and how come the warden doesn't notice any of his shenanigans

[past matrix]

nah it is

we're not given anything because its supposed to be relatively short in and out

[wary portal]

ah then klas fucks up

[past matrix]

yea

[wary portal]

still

i wonder why the warden doesn't do anything

are we his favorite team? does he suspect us to win anyway?

the fact klas is awake is something the warden does not want i bet

[south lake]

Because killing its most effective team to date for the actions of a rogue element indirectly tied to them (until recently) is.. not quite in WRDN's best interests.

[past matrix]

^

also its likely it doesnt know about anything thats going on

[south lake]

It just knows that there's some form of Trojan in its system, but not why

Most likely, at least

[past matrix]

yeah

[south lake]

And because the WRDN isn't at the 'Root Access' level of things like BIOCOM is, actually attacking the WRDN with stuff like that is a lot easier

[wary portal]

we are linked with biocom so it must see some sort of transmission we receive from schaeffer

[past matrix]

if it did, more would have been done to stop it

oh yeah and also

[south lake]

If WRDN were able to overwrite BIOCOM and entrench itself in Ring 0 of the permission systems, attacking BIOCOM with a virus would be extremely difficult if not impossible considering the military-grade security that the systems likely have

In fact, it's very likely that while WRDN would theoretically be able to supplant BIOCOM, there may be some kind of failsafe in the event of whatever authority is at Ring 0 failing, causing a permanent system-wide shutdown (read: bricking everything) - or worse - facility detonation to avoid the hardware, databases, and everything on them falling into the wrong hands

[wary portal]

hmmmm

[south lake]

Extremely sensitive infrastructure and information like that rarely doesn't have some kind of self-killswitch failsafe when it comes to NGOs

Especially if it involves hardware as powerful - and dangerous - as BIOCOM

The fallout of some kind of data bunker exploding and devastating a relatively small region is nothing compared to that infrastructure falling into potential enemy hands

Especially when you're as dirty as Kovac likely is

[wary portal]

i see what you mean

[south lake]

So, frankly

Schaeffer fucking with WRDN's software is uh.. a bit scary

Because if he trips that failsafe - if there is one - at best all systems BIOCOM controls in Garganta go dark, at worst the entire facility explodes

[wary portal]

you know something in me wants me to think the warden are actually people involved in all of this lol

[south lake]

Or at least explodes enough to bury everything under several metric tons of rubble

Nope, WRDN is a BIOCOM analogue

Similar, but not

[wary portal]

oh by the way do we know what the giant explosion is about?

[south lake]

Giant explosion? Do you mean the pit with the ripped up floors??

[wary portal]

when everything slowly went to shit there was a giant explosion which also caused the 9.8 earthquake

[south lake]

I.. don't remember that?

Do you have a link to the log that references it?

[wary portal]

so at the beginning of a1 there is a log stating that an earthquake from garganta was caused. and we know there was some sort of big ass massive explosion before it all went down. i guess is the explosion is tied to the earthquake starting how close it was to the center of the earth and how it messed things around

[south lake]

My guess is the explosion it's referencing is the beam that blew a hole in Garganta when some recovery team or another went into the Fossil or whatever and triggered it

That kinetic energy has to go somewhere, so if it dumped it further into the planet, it could have triggered an earthquake

[wary portal]

i hope we get to see the vault one day

[south lake]

Same, I'd love to see what's at the heart of the Fossil

[wary portal]

yep yep!

[south lake]

Maybe the source of the parasite

[wary portal]

Maybe a lifeform ;3

[surreal swift]

did the people who designed the security scans think employees were fat

why are we doing wholeass workouts running around everywhere

[hasty glen]

maybe it ensures no possibility of remote hacking, it's authenticating that a living person is there, not some remote hacker performing shenanigans?

[hardy sparrow]

probably this

what's the point of a 'security' door if there's no authorization method

the facility was probably designed to prevent people from simply applying some hacking and getting through

[median bane]

what if this was all a dream??? got you figured out devs

[spark palm]

New to the game and it's lore, is there some sort of lore compendium out there or is the wiki the best option?

[analog frigate]

the pins have a couple summaries and also the timeline

[spark palm]

Ah thanks, that helps a lot

[eternal talon]

either the notion.so or the "for dummies" doc would be your best bet to start

also whats with the finding nemo message in the pins?

[pine agate]

Question

What was the exact goal of R6BX?

Asking since I'm working on updating the Summary of Expeditions

[final sentinel]

Download data from Alpha 3 iirc

Lemme check

[pine agate]

Yeah, but like... For what?

[final sentinel]

To expand the Genome Database

[pine agate]

Ah I see.

Thankies!

[heavy lodge]

Anyone possible reasons why prisoners sent down just to start a reactor in E1?

[past matrix]

the description says something like "critical process failure. Emergency power started. Reboot the reactor."

so maybe its to fully start up the Warden again

[pearl wave]

d2 prob

[warm pike]

What I Dont grasp yet - Why are there Baby HSU? What was taking place in garganta that would require these infants/why is the warden having us run one thru now?

How is babby formed? Am I pergannt?

[eternal talon]

the rise project.

essentially, growing children at an extremely accelerated rate to supplement the legion program of which we are a part of.

[pearl wave]

to get new prisoners to force us into cause "people die if they are killed"

[subtle verge]

It's suspected, and I dare say confirmed, that the Rise Project was intended for the Legion Program by creating "synthetic" humans to continue supplying KDS's PMC reserves. After all, when you have complete control of the bodies and a nigh infinite supply of said bodies to throw in the front lines, you simply win based on numbers alone before you can even consider things such as human error, lack of efficiency, supplies, etc.

I theorize that KDS was attempting, for lack of a better term, world domination with those projects; and not necessarily through land grabs to create their own country-based world power, but more-so winning and hoarding wealth and resources.

[lilac cipher]

what if the facility is actually an underground facility in detroit?

[pearl wave]

anything happens in detroit right?

[eternal talon]

it isn't, we are in mexico. as confirmed by coordinates in one of the earilier trailers and in several logs

[pearl wave]

yeah somewhere supposedly near the dinosaur killer meteor crater
supposedly since i have seen people here discuss at length about where exactly(in/near it)

[subtle verge]

There are confirmed KDS branches scattered around the globe. I doubt there would be one in Detroit; probably looking more at Chicago or somewhere in Texas, would be the most likely case. But, yes, we're currently in the Chicxulub crater in Mexico.

[final sentinel]

I thought it was off the shore?

That one log at the beginning of CX said Garganta was offshore, no?

[pseudo nymph]

portals

[pearl wave]

the crater is partially covered by landmass and partially by ocean iirc

[eternal talon]

we are directly outside of the small village of Ixil

about 1km underground

[pearl wave]

yeah thats also what i thought

yet again specified supposedly cause i havent checked if we have the exact location for ages

[lilac cipher]

why are we microwaving a baby?

[past matrix]

Because it's cold

[eternal talon]

funnily enough, my stamps have the exact coordinates on them

[pearl wave]

not microwaving ^^

[eternal talon]

if you wanted to see real quick

[pearl wave]

just making it ready for further processing

[pearl wave]

cant read it so gotta take your word for it (discord not letting me enlargen the sticker)

[eternal talon]

ive got a full rez

1 sec

here is a high rez

on the mastaba stamp it's top left corner

[pearl wave]

ah there it is

[eternal talon]

and the QR is a rick roll

i think the coords are also on the wiki but i dont remember where

[pearl wave]

the page of the complex itself in the geographic location (if the fandom wiki is the current one)

[finite vine]

the earthquake that the log in a1 is talking about is the Merida Earthquake which occurred in 2049, right before SMC started digging. I think what your talking about is the energy explosions that occurred in 2052.

[tall anchor]

energy explosions? dang

[eternal talon]

^ log from Destination in C2

you have to get this MID ALARM

was bullshit to try and obtain (we wiped trying to get this log because of the giant floaters & sleepers)

but totally worth it

#lore

[dim scroll]

hmm

iirc you can get it before starting the alarm though ?

[eternal talon]

no

[dim scroll]

wot

[eternal talon]

you teleport to destination

[dim scroll]

The log suddenly appears mid alarm ?

[eternal talon]

with an error alarm

[dim scroll]

Not this TP

[eternal talon]

and once you complete the scan you teleport back

yes this tp

we just ran it 30 seconds ago

[dim scroll]

There are 2 TPs on destination with sec

the first one with an error on your ass

The second with nothing until you start the alarm

[eternal talon]

we did secondary

had a full error alarm both teleports

[dim scroll]

that's a bug then

this is not supposed to happen

[eternal talon]

we teleported once and had giant fliers and normal fiers,

[dim scroll]

In both of my C2PE clears i never had 2 error alarms on destination

[eternal talon]

once scanning at the generator, we had an erorr of fliers and sleepers.

not once did we have a calm trip

two different error alarms

[dim scroll]

That's weird

[eternal talon]

from the moment we teleported in

[dim scroll]

the 2nd one you mentioned was the first one to me

lol

[eternal talon]

we had to run to the terminal while being chased

[dim scroll]

this game 💀

[eternal talon]

i have picture proof

[dim scroll]

I believe you

[eternal talon]

was spamming f12 for the lores

[rocky wraith]

Suffered to get this

[dim scroll]

If i do C2PE again i'll probably take a vid

(unless they patch it)

[eternal talon]

idk this seems the intended way

[dim scroll]

but we legit never had an error alarm on the 2nd TP

[eternal talon]

since its two completely different error alarms

not the same one

[rocky wraith]

So basically they can feel the parasite infestation

[eternal talon]

more pics from c2 btw

also really freaky weird glowing green runes on the cables

[rocky wraith]

The p i t

[eternal talon]

so much infection on this level

was so fucking hard

we are taking a 30 minute break then coming back to give c3 a go

[burnt wren]

what the

what gun is that

did they changed colours on pump's scope?

It used to be like agressive orange did it not?

[tall anchor]

yeah

[burnt wren]

Must return to shotgunke

[scenic wagon]

so what exactly happened to Mattox in A-1?

[analog frigate]

he appeared to freak out after schaeffer woke him up from his HSU which resulted in schaeffer having to kill him

[elder needle]

Schaeffer did the wake-up procedure for the HSU wrong, which made Maddox go fucking wild

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[eternal talon]

ah, great info!

[scenic wagon]

I cant remember what the string of numbers attached to a name means, I.e Michel LeFavre, B028.
I wanna say it's a ID number, but I cant remember.

[unkempt sail]

i think its a worker id

and the letter stands for clearance with A being level 5 and E being level 1

[languid walrus]

What year are the players in?

[scenic wagon]

sometime after 2050, at the latest

I wanna say I read it was like, 56, or 57

[analog frigate]

that's the latest date of logs

we can be more than 30 years after that

[scenic wagon]

we could

[past matrix]

2067 ish

[analog frigate]

due to the nature of hydrostasis, only the level of deterioration of garganta can give us a timeline of sorts

[analog frigate]

can be later

[scenic wagon]

always thought Garganta was somewhere outside the Complex where we are

[analog frigate]

last log i think was early 60s i think

[fossil mantle]

there's a log of the Warden trying to grow a neonate in 2067 and it had prisoners go collect shit for it

[scenic wagon]

and that we hadn't been there

[analog frigate]

garganta is the complex

[fossil mantle]

^

I remember thinking garganta was outside the complex aswell back in r2 since it was initially described super weird

[languid walrus]

Is it confirmed that the highest tier expedition is E, there is no F or beyond?

[scenic wagon]

oh, must have kept calling it the Complex all this time without knowing they were one and the same

[past matrix]

Yes

[scenic wagon]

so far there has only been E

[livid grotto]

Yes

[languid walrus]

Is there any possibility there will be F or beyond?

[scenic wagon]

Perhaps

[past matrix]

No possibility

[analog frigate]

most likely not

[livid grotto]

Highly doubt

Maybe they will add E2

But not beyond that

But I suppose we can’t be 100% sure

[languid walrus]

I am hoping there will eventually be a living quarters environment.

[scenic wagon]

I keep thinking the Warden is an AI (and it probably is,) but I haven't kept up with all the lore, so it could just be a group of people

[livid grotto]

Yes

It’s an AI program

[scenic wagon]

oh? this was revealed what rundown?

[analog frigate]

it's a DI

decision intelligence

we learnt it decisively in r5

it's the BIOCOM under a new protocol

[livid grotto]

which was named BIOCOM if I remember right

[scenic wagon]

I for one welcome out new SHODAN wannabe A/DI overlords

[past matrix]

IMO there's significant evidence that there's a team of people helping it but like daraxus said it's a DI

[livid grotto]

^

[languid walrus]

What's with all the teleportation stuff last rundown?

[livid grotto]

I also wanna know this answer