gtfo-lore

[burnt wren]

So either the corporate are just being assholes about outside contacts, or there's more to those Stokes.

Do the dates align?

12 may

2055

[cobalt mulch]

after base64 -d it's a simple cipher of some sort...

[harsh saffron]

@cursive moss Log number 3

Man I got 2 logs 1 hour wrong now
Looks really interesting though

[cobalt mulch]

after base64, thru xxd:

[harsh saffron]

I mean Howard was the first person to research an artifact and Rebecca is the leading person in sending ppl through alien warpgates so yeah they can reveal quite a bit ^^

[rich blaze]

Now we're cooking

that's something

[cobalt mulch]

if someone comes up with a way to either substitute or decipher with a password.. it mentions the file being a pdf, no luck there either

[cunning light]

Remember to remove all line breaks

This is a single string

[solar nova]

Raw text:
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

[peak frigate]

I agree

[solar nova]

W8, this is base64? I'm not able to get it to decode.

[cobalt mulch]

copypaste the thing into file and then "cat file |base64 -d"

that's the easy part

(that's even without the linebreaks in the orig)

[peak frigate]

Does this supposed to mean anything

Do we actually know if its base 64

[cobalt mulch]

the == in the end is an "indication" at least

[peak frigate]

I put it on a decoder and it gave me "illegal character"

[cobalt mulch]

hmm lets compare to the dog email

Subject: Neighbor’s dog
Hey Becks,

[peak frigate]

Im sending it to my expert fren

Imma watch him go nuts

Will lyk result

[cobalt mulch]

if howard starts that encrypted email with the same words, could we then hmmm..

[burnt wren]

Alright, so yeah it is the dog mail just encodes.

[solar nova]

@cobalt mulch My PC doesn't seem to have |base64?

[peak frigate]

Can someone quote the dogmail for me

[cobalt mulch]

Private encryption//SMC mail server From: Howard Stokes B341 To: Rebecca Stokes B162 Date: May 15th 2055 Subject: Neighbor’s dog Hey Becks, I just wanted to let you know that our neighbor’s dog, Goldie, died. Sorry, I know you loved that little nugget. She was only 11 :( Des is broken up about it. Miss you! Howie Xxx

[burnt wren]

Why would they be encrypting such benign message...

[peak frigate]

How is this an encryption ?

[burnt wren]

If anything that just makes it more suspicious.

[peak frigate]

Is this the actual mail

[cobalt mulch]

and this "want me to deal with this" came 2 days earlier than the dog stuff was delivered

[burnt wren]

So they saw the encrypted version first, then decrypted it.

[cobalt mulch]

i'm presuming the encrypt is not the dog stuff, like someone said, they got whipped on the fingers and started doing "code"

[burnt wren]

It turned out to be nothing.

But why though.

[peak frigate]

Just to see if Im following well. Did people thought dog mail was an encryption and they tried to decypher

[sonic citrus]

So there are two hidden messages then. The first spicy one that got them in trouble and needs decrypting, and then the dog mail which has a secret message in it.

[cobalt mulch]

i'm guessin the base64 decrypt needs more than just character sub, an algorithm with a secretkey or sth

[burnt wren]

MAYBE has secret message.

[cobalt mulch]

my openssl forays went nowhere, major skill deficiency

[solar nova]

It's possible that "Goldie" is a key.

But we'd need to know the algorithm.

[cobalt mulch]

hmm... "Des is broken up about it."

des is an encryption method...

[harsh saffron]

Yeah Goldie, 11 and Des kinda stand out when you read that first mail

[cobalt mulch]

openssl enc -ciphers

-des-cfb -des-cfb1 -des-cfb8 -des-ecb -des-ede -des-ede-cbc -des-ede-cfb -des-ede-ecb -des-ede-ofb -des-ede3 -des-ede3-cbc -des-ede3-cfb -des-ede3-cfb1 -des-ede3-cfb8 -des-ede3-ecb -des-ede3-ofb -des-ofb -des3 -des3-wrap -desx -desx-cbc

[burnt wren]

What the hell are they up to...

[solar nova]

Is every . here a missing value?

And if so, can you send this in decimal?

[cobalt mulch]

it's in hex, no ascii representation

[solar nova]

fcc1 811e e97d f48d 7935 8bfd 1988 d744 this is hex, then?

[cobalt mulch]

yea

2byte hex

just separate the xxyy in to xx yy to get 1b hex

so all i've done is taken the base64 ending with == into a file and then base64 -d, it produces the picture above

then running it thru xxd gives me the hex stuff with the ascii stuff on the right

[solar nova]

The problem is that this doesn't seem to be universal to all systems.

There's something I don't have installed or is outdated so I can't run a base64 decoder from command prompt.

[cobalt mulch]

i'm now trying all openssl decyption algos with passphrase "Goldie" and "nugget" if one of them would say anything else than "bad magic number"

i'm running an ubuntu linux

[peak frigate]

Its near impossible for those dots to be representing a value. They re too many

[cobalt mulch]

find the right decrypt method and this could yield a pdf-file

[peak frigate]

I hope this isnt a encryption method that devs came up with

Thatd be chaotic

[sonic citrus]

That text document you posted Hirnu looks like a binary file?

[cobalt mulch]

yup, base64 is a good way to transmit encrypted data, the encrypted stuff doesn't well translate into readable (being binary almost all the way)

[peak frigate]

Perhaps its double encryption

Base 64 into something else

[cobalt mulch]

base64 is not encryption per se but you're right

i'm hoping openssl with the right algo and a password from the dog email will yield

[solar nova]

Frequency analysis is promising.

Although, this is a very large number of unique characters.

[cobalt mulch]

put it thru an online bruteforcer but yielded nothing english yet.. the picture above seems to have an email "form", 2 lines of subject and greeting, then 2 lines of "miss you, howie, xxx"

but it could all be just misleading and happenstance

[rich blaze]

DES seems a more promising lead

imho

[cobalt mulch]

i agree but the base64 decrypted stuff is missing the Salted stuff, i'm leaning on substitution..

hex xx becomes a character etc

that's why i wanted to look at the dog email to see if the "Miss you Howie Xxx" would give a clue on what to try and sub

[rich blaze]

What about "Goldie" as a key?

[cobalt mulch]

nah, openssl fails as there's no salt, it just says "bad magic number" on every algo

[peak frigate]

Too short of a key for block encryption

[burnt wren]

Sometimes devs take their lore too far me thinks

[rich blaze]

To be fair, we cleared the brainfuck code a bit too easily

[sonic citrus]

Its only been out for a short while, given time some clever clogs will crack it

[peak frigate]

Lol

[rich blaze]

it was expected it was going to be harder

[peak frigate]

Where were this dog mail and encrypted mail found

[solar nova]

I'd rather this than running base64 through decoders a few times and then getting the right answer.

[rich blaze]

CORRUPTED folder on Santonian's website

[weak sky]

11 stands for 3 in binary, so i'll go for 3DES encryption which is used for PGP encryption

[peak frigate]

I hope its not as crazy as "find the key in game terminals"

[weak sky]

and passphrase 'Goldie'

[rich blaze]

That's what I get after running 3DES with Goldie on Hex text

oops

[weak sky]

not on Hex, directly on raw encrypted

[rich blaze]

Mine gets stuck with plaintext

[solar nova]

Key is not the right length afaik?

How long does the key need to be?

Might give us an idea of what we're trying to find in the dog email.

[weak sky]

112 or 128 bits

I just wanted to let you know that our neighbor’s dog, Goldie, died

maybe ? or any pieces of it with Goldie dying (because it is what breaks Des)

[solar nova]

Wouldn't that be 14 or 16 characters?

littlenugget is 12

[peak frigate]

I only said it was short if we consider this to be a block encryptiob

[solar nova]

Hmmm

[cobalt mulch]

ookay managed to get openssl to output something else than just "bad magic number", have to use -K with hex string of pass phrase (when there is no salt in the encrypted data)

[weak sky]

24 at least

[weak sky]

what are you using as passphrase ?

[cobalt mulch]

Goldie in hex, 47 6F 6C 64 69 65 (no spaces)

[weak sky]

and DES not 3DES is it right ?

[cobalt mulch]

tried all of them just now, not sure about the "-iv" part

seems to not make any difference if it's the same hex goldie or just 000000000000

[cobalt mulch]

this is assuming that there's a "Howie" in the email, i have a file called "list" (original) with all the available openssl ciphers:

export PASS=$(echo goldie |od -A n -t x1 |sed -e 's/ //g') ; for x in $(cat list) ; do echo "$x == " ; cat asd |openssl enc -a -d -$x -K $PASS -iv "000000000000" ; done |grep How

assuming correct password, a Howie or Howard will pop up

[rich blaze]

trying to bruteforce it?

[cobalt mulch]

we assume password either Goldie or goldie or broken or nugget etc, i'm testing out all the ciphers if one of them produces a hit

and there are ofc options for message digest et al, this can be a lost cause

[rich blaze]

oop, didn't see the assumption

[cobalt mulch]

and tweaking it a bit to actually test out the ciphers in the "list" file, a missing -$x has been inserted, along with a 2>/dev/null to eliminate the error messages

[pearl trench]

"why is it just an email about a dog this is pointless"
devs: :)

[cobalt mulch]

i frickin love this chase

[rich blaze]

I'm laughing a bit about that one Wheatloaf

[pearl trench]

i can't help much with it but I'm having a blast watching this play out

i sincerely hope the devs are also getting a kick out of it

I might die laughing if the trailer is delayed because it has the info you're frantically trying to decrypt in it

[peak frigate]

Loool

Honestly I stopped working so I watch hirnu do magic

[cobalt mulch]

i'm glad 🙂 .. just letting u all down, none of my passwords are hitting gold

[pearl trench]

ba-dum-tss

[rich blaze]

It's not letting us down

you're already doing good

[pearl trench]

clearly someone writing the logs has understood what the community wanted

[peak frigate]

Dogs.

[pearl trench]

dogs and encryption

[cobalt mulch]

these challenges are pure gold imho

[pearl trench]

even if it's all bait it's pretty high quality bait

[cobalt mulch]

had to try it. the password was not RESIST this time. 😦

[peak frigate]

Hope its not bait

[pearl trench]

we've still got 1 log to go late today right?

it's definitely possible a last bit of info is tied up in that

[harsh saffron]

yeah depends on time zone ^^

[pearl trench]

us eastern is the one true time zone 😔

[harsh saffron]

Eu Eustern

it should be in 13 hours roughly

I can't trust my math anymore

[cunning light]

<t:1655262345:f> ; roughly

[cobalt mulch]

here's the list of ciphers i went thru with the -K <passphrase in hex>, feel free to try, it's stonewalling me and i'm losing hope 😦

could be something simple that unlocks it, that or it's encrypted by a proper private key, dunno

[burnt wren]

Maybe we'll get it in another log

Or it's all just a big red herring

[subtle verge]

I don't know much about encryption, but have we tried a blowfish/twofish approach?

[cobalt mulch]

hoping so.. or the file itself is irrelevant, just a headsup the stokes' are getting into trouble

[subtle verge]

Just spit balling.

[cobalt mulch]

i'm no expert at all either, my adventures in openssl are beginner'ish but above list should contain most methods available

just tried the bf (blowfish) as a last resort, no dice, my ubuntu says "Error setting cipher BF-XXX" (tried all of em) .. gonna let it simmer a bit

[peak frigate]

Will have a look myself when I have access to a pc that allows discord

Fk work srsly

[cobalt mulch]

if u sent this to a decrypt-head friend of yours, hope he/she unlocks it

[dense obsidian]

What if, heres my theory. Its all a dream.

very original I know.

[burnt wren]

Cheap and unlikely. Too much effort for just a dream twist.

Garganta will be sooner to be confirmed a limbo before that.

[worthy flower]

maybe try all the passwords on the password list?

no way that would work

[cobalt mulch]

i will later. if its TRUE then lol :)

[eternal talon]

I'm glad base64 is continuing to be helpful but holy shit is this one complicated

@dull crest what happens if we never manage to crack the cipher? Will you just leave this log locked, even after like 3 months time?

[dull crest]

Haha, will that ever happen? You guys solve it in a week, tops

[worthy flower]

leave it locked

[peak frigate]

They responded with " I have graduation dinner leave me alone"

[worthy flower]

i love shit like this

just giving it to us sets a precedence

then no one will bother

hints i can live with.

[eternal talon]

Last time we only solved it instantly because I was familiar with base64 and got us on the right track in less than an hour, this one is a bit.. I don't know what the flying fuck kind of encryption this is

[dull crest]

Yea, but the brainfuck code took a couple of days?

[eternal talon]

Have you guys tried the date the dog died or the date the dog was born as the key? @solar nova

[eternal talon]

It took less than 4 hours if I remember correctly

For the last cipher

You guys posted

Just determining where the coordinates was for took longer than getting them

[dull crest]

Ah, right

[eternal talon]

It was looking like the mid-atlantic ridge, then @rich blaze used a star chart and found a match

[dull crest]

Easy mistake to make

[eternal talon]

Also, I don't know if you guys did your research too well or what, but those coordinates point to the center of a star. I doubt destination is in an galactic-style oven

Unless you guys just meant the general star system

[dim scroll]

Someone decrypted the base64 code in the french GTFO server

[eternal talon]

For the new one?

[dim scroll]

yes

[eternal talon]

What is this French server, and who are they?

[dull crest]

Merde

[dim scroll]

Silence, baboon

[finite vine]

they are the ones that decrypted the brain fuck code iirc

[eternal talon]

Though I guess it's fair if we cracked the last one first that they crack this one

[dim scroll]

Why aren't you writing to me? What's going on? I miss you terribly. Are they stopping you from talking to me? Are my emails getting through? I'm so worried. Things are bad out here. People infected everywhere. Houston is on full lockdown now - they have patrols out and they're curfewing by address so we can still go to the market - which are empty - once a week. Someone got shot outside Val-U-Plus last week. I don't think I have it but now they're saying the incubation period is unknown so I don't know. I can't go get tested because because I don't know anyone who has gone to a testing center and come back. They're saying they still don't know where it came from but they think maybe Phoenix. I think I have to tell them what we already but then that's me done with SMC and I think they'd try to kill me. Seriously, I wouldn't put anything past them. I don't know who I'd tell anyway? Maybe Jeremy knows someone in the press or something. I can't speak to anyone here because they're all terrified of Davies and his stoolies especially since Clinton's "accident". Please write me back. Please, just anything to let me know you're all right. I would come and get you but everything is closed. I feel so guilty that I encouraged you to go there. Howie
For the decrypted code

Thanks R.A.F#8723 for that

For the key, according to him : Goldie11 in DES ECB

[eternal talon]

So yes, i was right

He was murdered

[dim scroll]

😿

[eternal talon]

It was a forceful takeover of garganta

[dim scroll]

by who ?

A third party or the sleepers ?

[eternal talon]

No, by the new ceo

Let me find the log

[dim scroll]

Why would he be murdered for that though ?

He holds too much info ?

[eternal talon]

It says "accident"

With quotes

It's all coming up frostty

[finite vine]

Well he might just be speculating also. But yea, its likely that clinton was murdered by davies.

[eternal talon]

Well she said she knows something, but it could well just be about the origins of NAM-V

The rest of the log is just about the world panicking and shit

[rocky wraith]

Does it have a date attached?

[rocky wraith]

Fantastic work btw

[eternal talon]

Yes

In the unencrypted portion

Posted miles above in this chat log

[rocky wraith]

I just got on so gimme a sec

[dim scroll]

##########################################

D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender: Rutger Werner
Receiver: Dean Lockwood
Date: May 13th 2055
Subject: FYI
 
Mr. Lockwood,
 
Raw file below. Decryption attached.
 
Would you like me to deal with this matter?
 
Rutger Werner
Acquisitions
 
ATTACHMENT: HStokesB341_transcript_decrypt.pdf *file not found*
 
————————–
Private encryption//SMC mail server
From: Howard Stokes B341
To: Rebecca Stokes B162
Date: May 12th 2055
Subject:
 
Why aren't you writing to me? What's going on? I miss you terribly. Are they stopping you from talking to me? Are my emails getting through? I'm so worried. Things are bad out here. People infected everywhere. Houston is on full lockdown now - they have patrols out and they're curfewing by address so we can still go to the market - which are empty - once a week. Someone got shot outside Val-U-Plus last week. I don't think I have it but now they're saying the incubation period is unknown so I don't know. I can't go get tested because because I don't know anyone who has gone to a testing center and come back. They're saying they still don't know where it came from but they think maybe Phoenix. I think I have to tell them what we already but then that's me done with SMC and I think they'd try to kill me. Seriously, I wouldn't put anything past them. I don't know who I'd tell anyway? Maybe Jeremy knows someone in the press or something. I can't speak to anyone here because they're all terrified of Davies and his stoolies especially since Clinton's "accident". Please write me back. Please, just anything to let me know you're all right. I would come and get you but everything is closed. I feel so guilty that I encouraged you to go there. Howie

##########################################```

It would look like this

[eternal talon]

I don't know what you mean by brainfuck, but we were the ones to crack the last cipher they gave us

2055

[rocky wraith]

2 days before the dog death email

[dim scroll]

+++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++++++++<<<<<<<-]+++++++++++++++>>>>>>.+++++.------.---.>------.<++++.>++.<<<<<<++.>>.++++++.>--.++++++.<+.>.--.<-----.<<<-----.>>>>>>>----.++.<.++++.--------.<<<+++++.>>>>---.+++.<.<<<<<.>>>>>>+++++.-----.<-.>----.<<<<--------.<<<.>>>>>>++.>--.+++.++++++++.<<<<<<.>>>>>+++++++.<+++++++.>----.+++++.<-----.<<<++.<<.>...>>>>+++++.>++++..<<<<<.>>>>>++.<+++++++.>--.<---.----.>++.<------.++.<<<<<.>...>>>>+++++++++.++++++.+++.>>.<<<<<<.>>>>>--.<----------.>--.-.+++.++.<<<+.>>--.>-----.-.<<<++.<<<.>...>>>>>>.<-----.>---.<-.<<<<<.>>>>.>>-----.-.<<<<<-.>>>>>++++.<<++.>>--.-.+++.++.<<<<.<++.<<.>......>>>>>>.<.>--.<<.----.>>++.<<<<<--.>>>>>----.<++++.>+++++.--.<<<<<<<.>...>>>>>>++++.<----.+.+++.<++++.---------.>>---.<----.>--.<---.----.>++.<<<<<.>>>>>--------.++.<++++++.<<<--.<++.>++.<-.<<.>......>>>>>>++.++.---.<----.<<<<<.>>>>>>++++.-------.<++..>++++.<<<<<<<.>...>>>>>>.++.---.<--.<<<<<.>>>>>>+++++.<+++++.>--.<---.----.>++.<<-.>.>--------..<<++.
inherit <BIOCOM>
primeCore wrdn;
flow main/
arr threat[]
flow report<con>
with con.report>0
threat.plus
while\threat.lng<0>/
proc sleep
proc threat[all]

[eternal talon]

May 12th

[dim scroll]

This is the brainfuck

[eternal talon]

Yeah that's not the one we solved

[finite vine]

yea ik. The french discord solved the brain fuck which is what I said.

[eternal talon]

Ours was encoded in base64 then ciphered out from that

[dim scroll]

i remember this one

[eternal talon]

"Changes" log

Dean taking over after the quote; "tragic loss of andrew"

[rocky wraith]

one month after big boom

[eternal talon]

So really, we get 2 things from this log.

1. Andrew was murdered
2. surface was and still is going to shit by 2055

[past matrix]

and also the dog log has deeper meaning

[dim scroll]

When was the outbreak again ?

[eternal talon]

"Patrols out" would imply martial law too, so in the USA AND the UK, that's some serious shit

[rocky wraith]

And Howard is possibly gonna be vanished by SMC

[eternal talon]

1 sec I can tell you

[finite vine]

we don’t really know if he was murdered for sure, we just know that howie thinks he was murdered. everyone probably thinks he was murdered tbh.

[dim scroll]

Same for the dog log m'pls

As i'm wondering if the "dog" could be andrew

[rocky wraith]

Remember the truth radio and the draconian sick camps and military raids

[dim scroll]

didn't read who sent & received the log so not sure about that

[eternal talon]

First log of nam-v on the surface was 2053

[dim scroll]

2 years and people are still alive

[eternal talon]

In maricopa

[dim scroll]

ZAMN

For a virus with an R0 of 17 & a lethality rate of 100% that's kind of a miracle

[rocky wraith]

"I don't think I have it but now they're saying the incubation period is unknown so I don't know." incubation time now unknown, very spook

If its changing so much like this its really bad

[past matrix]

what if Howard is dead

[rocky wraith]

Probs

[eternal talon]

well to be fair everyone is dead

it just depends on the when you are talking about

[past matrix]

im talking about like

a few days after

[rocky wraith]

It started off as a minor cold and ramped up into ebolax100

[finite vine]

now that I think about it, Howard might be the “inside man” that the State of Truth radio had.

[past matrix]

what if the dog email is code for him dying

[dim scroll]

i'm thinking the same

[rocky wraith]

ooooooo good point

[dim scroll]

SMC

More like among us 2

[rocky wraith]

imposter amogus

[dim scroll]

Finding out who are the sussy bakas

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=b2ac368b9f9440fcb5aa0de96c14f14f this is the last cipher we got, the ones we cracked

[past matrix]

ALSO

he ends the new one with "Howie."

the dog email ends in "Howie xxx"

[dim scroll]

Howie for howard

e

[finite vine]

where did we find out that NAM-V has a 100% mortality rate?

[eternal talon]

one of the medical logs

i can try and find it

[rocky wraith]

The UK report

[dim scroll]

^

The same mentioning the R0 iirc

[cobalt mulch]

Goldie11 was one i did not attempt, good catch.. gonna see if it really was that close..

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=1b2b6fac3e3748508010d861172dea53

[cobalt mulch]

wyvern actually suggested to try it

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=9e590f4db7584aeb9d12d53220d449b6

first log mentions r-naught, 2nd log mentions lethality

//The long-term effects of the virus are still unknown, but once you start to feel the tightening in your bones and the persistent hallucinations you will need medical supervision, or the end will be swift. Medical intervention is the only thing that can slow the decline. Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.//

//The risks of getting NAM-V are substantially higher in inadequately ventilated spaces where infected people spend even short periods of time together in close proximity. The R-Naught of NAM-V is currently at 17, making it one of the most infectious contagions in human history. There is currently no known cure for NAM-V, and treatment options are limited.//

[dim scroll]

The only way to "survive" is either to spam HSU

or to have the parasite in you so you can transform into a sleeper

😳

[finite vine]

I don’t really see anything mentioning a mortality rate...

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't really call that surviving, but i guess

[finite vine]

I mean yea it sounds bad but it also says that it can go away and strike at any time.

[eternal talon]

this here //The long-term effects of the virus are still unknown, but once you start to feel the tightening in your bones and the persistent hallucinations you will need medical supervision, or the end will be swift. Medical intervention is the only thing that can slow the decline. Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.//

[dim scroll]

Well

technically you're alive

But you can't do shit by yourself

😳

Bruh can't find the parasite log on notion

[rocky wraith]

The virus can't fuck me over if my posture is already crippled from being an epic gamer

[eternal talon]

once it is in your system it will never go away and you will be permanently isolated

[dim scroll]

There is another log explicitly mentioning the lethality rate

[eternal talon]

i had the same issue. ray linked it to me, hold on

subject analysis log

is the parasites one

[finite vine]

yea I don’t really see anything saying that the mortality rate is 100%. anyways, this was at the beginning of the outbreak in 2053, when nothing about the virus was known. there could very well be some form of treatment by 2055, or the virus could of mutated and gotten worse. lots of possibilities.

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=e42bda18f22a46df8d3efe49ededcfe3

[rocky wraith]

From the changes mentioned in logs, in garganta it was treated initially as a minor flu, but after several months it developed crippling symptoms. Once out of garganta it started off with minor stuff, but turned full blown lethal with the bone deformations

And from the responses mentioned in the State of Truth radio, any illness was treated with fire and purging

[finite vine]

also, we are already aware of one form of treatment for NAM-V, Hydrostasis. We know that hydrostasis kills NAM-V, or at least slows it down.

[dim scroll]

It doesn't kill it

but as you said it slows down its propagation

[rocky wraith]

slows down and partially clears. But never completely removes

We see as much on the gtfo load screens and such

[finite vine]

are we sure about that though? we might just be getting re-infected once we get let out of our pods and start breathing the supposedly infected air.

[rocky wraith]

The intro screens

where we are inside the hsu, pretty sure they mention it there

not post game ones

[eternal talon]

found it @finite vine https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=db54486eb4924b39969d9d7b9003bf0b

//there is still no treatment for the nam vee [inaudible] currently no vaccination [inaudible] misinformation and misdiagnosis [inaudible[ there is no naturally occurring immunity from nam vee due [inaudible] //

in 2057 the very last log we have from the surface

[finite vine]

yea but why would santonian or kovac help the WHO and give them HSU’s. We also don’t even know when santonian found out that Hydrostasis was an effective treatment for NAM-V

[eternal talon]

they never did given them hsus. what do you mean

[rocky wraith]

They don't

[finite vine]

yea ik

[finite vine]

I don’t really understand the reason u posted this then...

[eternal talon]

it says there is no treatment, no vaccination, and no immunity to nam-v

[finite vine]

true. it’s also from 2057.

[eternal talon]

you were asking how we know it is 100% lethal

this is the 2nd to last log we have in the timeline

[rocky wraith]

The bone deformations pretty much guarantee it as well

[eternal talon]

one last being biocom stuff during the time of the game

[finite vine]

I wonder how long it takes for NAM-V to kill someone. it looks like it could take weeks for some, but years for others.

[rocky wraith]

I gave a rough timeline of about 5 months? I think

From when the first infections were documented to when the deaths started to occur in higher frequency in garganta

But thats rough

and mainly due to the increased mental strains caused by being in garganta exasperating the mental symptoms

paranoia and hallucinations were amped to cause more suicides

outside we have no idea

[pearl trench]

I imagine that 2063 log will be relevant in r7

[rocky wraith]

and cause of death due to the bone deformations seems to take much longer

[finite vine]

yea but those deaths don’t account for all of NAM-V symptoms though, only the physiological symptoms.

[cobalt mulch]

ahhhhh ubuntu 22.04 with its openssl fails to set des-ecb, but on a centos7 it works, alltho had to cut a hex-byte off the password

[rocky wraith]

We already collected those things in R4? I think

[eternal talon]

afik that is rundown 3's date

[rocky wraith]

Exactly

[past matrix]

what was the 2063 log

like i know what it is but does anyone have the link cause i remember it brought up a ton

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf

here ya go~

was already on the wiki,

[pearl trench]

I thought I read it in one of the r6 ext levels

[past matrix]

the only thing we collected on there IIRC was ngf in r4

[eternal talon]

working on GTFO_LORE_FOR_DUMMIES_V3

[past matrix]

oh wait and PIDs

[cobalt mulch]

so working on my own laptop was doomed to fail as the older ciphers didn't work

[pearl trench]

Oof

[eternal talon]

the french got it

[rocky wraith]

Either way we collected the stuff

The warden was seeking to grow something using the parameters from RISE program

using a neonate hsu and a bunch of growth accelerants and bio juices

[eternal talon]

wait wait WAIT

what the fuck

[cobalt mulch]

yup, had to see if i could replicate their result, and to my dismay, i couldn't, at least not on my lappy

[rocky wraith]

SO R7 Rise is defo probably an unveiling of this

[pearl trench]

Would be fun if we got to go back and see the baby

[eternal talon]

andrew death in changes log is 2053

but this log is 2055

what the fuck

[rocky wraith]

yeah, they are all still scared since the assassination

[past matrix]

^

[finite vine]

the problem with that is the mortality rate might be 100% (for people outside of SMC and Kovac) but they could live for weeks or years before they die after their exposure to NAM-V.

[rocky wraith]

Ye, but its like severe cancers most cancers are actually a wasting disease that takes years to kill the host, the majority of deaths come from the secondary metastisations that grow around the body inhibiting other functions, not a direct result from the cancer itself

[severe prairie]

wait what is the RISE program?

[finite vine]

I personally believe most don’t live long though with the symptom list NAM-V has though.

[rocky wraith]

A program to create a replacement to the legion program by growing your own army (roughly)

[finite vine]

that’s a great comparison actually

[severe prairie]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Why was there a need to replace it?

[rocky wraith]

yee, While the bending of bones to horrible disfigurement will kill eventually, the majority of the deaths are probably through suicide or by the crippling preventing the ability to care for ones self to the point it eventually kills

[rocky wraith]

There could be many many reasons not related to cost-efficiency, obedience, waste by-product accumulation, or the simple fact that you might not need to sequester humans from up above and instead need only a vat and some growth stimulants

Plus sicking people with a rabid sleeper if they look at you funny is probably much more entertaining to the multi-billionaire Dryvos owner than just having them removed with some robotic acting bodyguards

[finite vine]

well it’s just a theory, the reality is there is not really a lot of info on the RISE program. hopefully r7 will reveal a lot.

[pearl trench]

We know just enough to be concerned

[rocky wraith]

It might not be a direct replacement, but it will supercede it and render it obsolete

[pearl trench]

Genetically engineered super soldiers is the Evil Trope after world domination, of course they're going to do it

[rocky wraith]

Specimen 22 and the others seem to be products of the RISE program, but whether this is true or not is uncertain

Plus the whole thing of having NEO-NATE hsu's is very concerning on every level

[pearl trench]

Just grab the baby :)
Don't ask questions:)

[rocky wraith]

And don't worry about that massive needle now stabbing into the cradle :)

[pearl trench]

If we have to touch an n-frame again I will be uncomfortable

[rocky wraith]

Our baby all grown up

[keen mantle]

What’s a Neonate?

[rocky wraith]

neo-natal, newborn baby

[keen mantle]

But wasn’t there already babies?

From Mother of course

[rocky wraith]

But not ones that we had directly transfected with plasmids from a mother into an originally human fetus :)

[pearl trench]

Those are babies but not the baby

[eternal talon]

9 hours until the final log unlocks

[keen mantle]

So… this is just a Pure baby that MIGHT get experimented ?

[rocky wraith]

Pure baby that we have definitely tampered with on several levels

[keen mantle]

How?

[eternal talon]

can someone @keen mantle with the photos of the neonate in r3?

[keen mantle]

I never seen the other Rundowns

[eternal talon]

@harsh saffron

[rocky wraith]

installed iFrame and I think genetically messed im unsure

[eternal talon]

i have a pic from r2e1 1 sec

[pearl trench]

We put it in a resuscitator and a fun needle machine

(disclaimer: needle machine is not fun)

[rocky wraith]

The baby does not cry right?

[eternal talon]

baby

[keen mantle]

I don’t care about disclaimer, I need to see what I’m dealing with here

[pearl trench]

It was one of the cooler in-game storylines

[rocky wraith]

totally definitely doesn't summon a mother when it awakens

[rocky wraith]

Also need a cradle pic I think

[eternal talon]

i dont' have pics from r3

i lost the archive in a hard drive move about a year ago

[pearl trench]

R2: collect baby
R3: mess with baby and summon moms

[keen mantle]

Send me the pictures in DM

[rocky wraith]

The top dozen youtube videos of the level with the cradle have all the youtubers honestly trying to avoid looking at the cradle and resusitator

[pearl trench]

R4: ???
R5: Influx Protocol

[eternal talon]

well i mean it is kinda... let's just say it wouldn't do good for their add revinue

[rocky wraith]

XP defo but considering some of the vids I checked barely had views in the double digits it becomes an headache to get pics

[harsh saffron]

I'm sorry I was busy, whats up?

[eternal talon]

r3

neonate

crib

needles

@keen mantle

[harsh saffron]

don't think I have any screenshots myself but there are some on the wiki I think, one moment

[eternal talon]

but you have everything!

you've got a bigger archive than me

[harsh saffron]

nah, I started in R3

[eternal talon]

oh

drat

[harsh saffron]

wasn't as serious on collecting stuff back then

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Neonate_HSU?so=search

[subtle verge]

Catching up on conversations, here, but am I right to assume my initial thoughts about Davies was correct in that he's intentionally killing people off and passing them off as accidents? First Clinton, then Durant & his team? 👀

Admittedly: skimmed the past 30 minutes of conversation.

[eternal talon]

@dull crest if you ever plan to bring back the arbalist, please, PLEASE revert it back to how it was in r1. in r5 you guys made it into a clone of the veruta performance wise

[eternal talon]

the new log really only elaborated on 2 things.

1. the surface is.. as fucked as we presumed,
   2)he (clinton) was murdered.

[rocky wraith]

Yup

[subtle verge]

So my theory has substantial merit. Yes, yes... good...

[rocky wraith]

3. Info is being censored and monitored between members of SMC to the extreme

[eternal talon]

very, as early as 2055 the log mentions patrols in the streets and 24 hour lockdowns

[eternal talon]

well we already knew that, it's KOVAC centeral

[rocky wraith]

yush

plus hearsay system

[eternal talon]

lets just hope ancient allen theory gets some lovin' too. everything we've seen regarding it is "almost confirming it" granted, it is a LOT of "almost confirming it" but nothing outright, aside from the sandstone carving, of course

[rocky wraith]

They are going to tease you relentlessly with the barest fraction of info :)

[eternal talon]

maybe even getting to go to the inner in the e tier of r7

🤞

[rocky wraith]

R7E1 below 2K?

[eternal talon]

d tier in r6 was already almost at 2k

[rocky wraith]

almost

[eternal talon]

i can boot it up rn and say..

[rocky wraith]

yee but its not below 2k

its close but not quite

[eternal talon]

to be fair, do we know the upper bounds of the inner?

as to depth wise

[rocky wraith]

Might have been mentioned 2 secs

[subtle verge]

They found it at around 2k, iirc. I could be slightly off, though.

[analog frigate]

2km to 2.5km

[subtle verge]

The original dig was only supposed to be 1.5, but they found the egg in their later scans at around 2k.

[eternal talon]

also, can i just say, having 3 names for the same thing is needlessly confusing

(inner, meteor, egg)

[rocky wraith]

egg!

[pearl trench]

Fossil

[analog frigate]

egg can conflict with things we find in the future

[eternal talon]

dx is the lowest at 13 hundred and 21 meters

[rocky wraith]

*"I’ve processed the environmental data collected over the last 3 years, and there is no record of anything like we’re seeing now. The temperature readings are off the charts – way in excess of the variance we expected at 2000. The cooling system is being pushed past max just to keep the lowest levels tolerable. There is constant seismic activity that the geos assure me does not mean the entire complex is about to collapse, but when you’re in one of those tremors that doesn’t bring me any comfort.

I don’t know where your supervisors are posted at the moment, but if you have any work orders below 2000+ you might want to tell them to start writing their letters home."*

[eternal talon]

forgot about that one, there is 4!

[finite vine]

I don't think we know the depth of the top of the egg though. we only know that the egg is somewhere below 1.5km and that the egg is ~2.2km tall

[rocky wraith]

I vote to name it Egg!

[analog frigate]

they mentioned the depth that they were extending the mine to

[eternal talon]

egg is already one of the official names, beanz

[analog frigate]

at least approximately

[subtle verge]

You're probably right. I can't recall exactly where, I'm just spit balling a rough estimate based on memory.

[eternal talon]

the top of the inner would be the concern anyway

[finite vine]

The Egg, The Inner, and the Fossil could very well be different locations/ objects/ regions though

[eternal talon]

you wouldn't really enter it from the bottom if you were digging down to it

[analog frigate]

although my memory is really shoddy so i suggest taking everything i refer to with a large grain of salt

[rocky wraith]

eggers

[subtle verge]

My thought process is:

Egg/Fossil is the entire structure, where as The Inner is being inside the object itself.

[eternal talon]

everybody else get r6 cleared?

we've got, 1+1/2 days really

left

[rocky wraith]

Egg is the iridium plated outside of the vessel and the Inner is a secondary layer further in imo

[subtle verge]

I can get down with that.

[eternal talon]

you see that would make sense

that is clarification that works

[rich blaze]

Don't forget Igor Rostok

[eternal talon]

4 names for the same general thing isn't specific at all

[rocky wraith]

Fossil implies a fossilisation process has taken place on an organic substance or creature

[pearl trench]

I figure it's like how big melee boys get called like 6 different things

[eternal talon]

well none of those are official names is the thing

[rocky wraith]

giants, big guys, titans, tall bois, big strikers

[subtle verge]

Oh, right, dropped by the KSO for trespassing.

[analog frigate]

not even some base expeditions xd

[pearl trench]

Right, so a lot of names for the egg are probably also not official

[analog frigate]

haven't got the time

[rich blaze]

Looks like my (unpublished) KDS conspiracy was unto something

[analog frigate]

that's what they use in the logs iirc

[eternal talon]

yeah, it's a mish-mash of all 4 of those terms

[subtle verge]

Same, broski. My Davies theory just shot up like a rocket.

[pearl trench]

"official" in lore that is
Also similar to how nam-v has multiple colloquial names

[finite vine]

Well The Egg, The Inner, and The Fossil are all official names used in logs

[eternal talon]

and it is the meteor

[dull crest]

I don't even know what you are talking about 🙂

[eternal talon]

the r1 machinegun

[pearl trench]

"official" as in used in lore but not necessarily all what smc officially calls it

[eternal talon]

i attached a picture and everything

[finite vine]

Dr. Hammerstein used all three names iirc.

[rocky wraith]

It was a wink wink

[eternal talon]

that's a smiley face

[dull crest]

thought you meant the environment 🙂

[eternal talon]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Techman_Arbalist_V_Machine_Gun this weapon

[dull crest]

Looks mean

[eternal talon]

it hurt mean. was a woodchipper with the fire rate of a grandfather clock

[rocky wraith]

That looks cool

[dull crest]

Doom vibes

[eternal talon]

packed a huge punch with a slow fire rate and controllable recoil

the rundown 2 machinegun 1)shoots super fast with super low damage rounds, 2)has uncontrollable recoil, 3) doesn't look as cool, 4) has an orange sight

[harsh saffron]

On the "name of the fossil" subject.

This is the report of Dr. Gallus Hammerstein, lead researcher and co-founder of Project Insight. I have authorized expeditions into the following zones of the fossil:

[redacted]
[redacted]

These locations are collectively known as "the Inner". This area has a separate classification due to evidence of geologic compacting and sedimentary settling. This implies an ancient impact or explosion. You may read my report titled [redacted] for further information on those findings.
So yeah the Inner is literally just a part of the Fossil.

[eternal talon]

but that would mean the inner is the only part of the fossil they have been to

since where they go is described as looking like lava tunnels

[rocky wraith]

I hope we get to see the lava tunnels soon, unless we already saw them with the glowing black strange stuff

[eternal talon]

glowing black strange stuff?

also, no the lava tunnels are down in the meteor, we wouldn't have seen them

[past matrix]

i still wonder what exactly is on the chargers

[eternal talon]

my best bet would be a type of mutated chitin

used as armor

[past matrix]

since we know it's put on them and arent part of them normally

hmm

[rocky wraith]

yeee

[eternal talon]

picture? what on earth do you mean

[rocky wraith]

looks more like necrotised sleeper skin

[rocky wraith]

1 sec

[eternal talon]

chitin is crab armor

sort of like biological armor plating

[rocky wraith]

this stuff

[eternal talon]

that is just hives

i've got a better picture

hold on

you see, one time,

a looong time ago,

it was on a roof

right next to the floor

so you could see it in full detail

it's like worms

also //Additional: Several large, clear tubes can be seen on the true color gamma
print, starting at the approximate center point of the mass. They do not
appear to be lava tubes; the composition materials are too dense to be
affected by any heat generated by volcanic activity. Further analysis is
needed once we excavate. GSP data for the largest of these tubes has been
sent to operations.//
on the lava tubes

[past matrix]

i dont think those are worms

you can see liquid dripping from them

unless its like a big moist worm thing

[eternal talon]

my point is that its clearly biological

[rocky wraith]

see it looks like necrotised flesh of the cocoons/wombs. Like it has been flamethrowered in an effort to stop it spreading

[rocky wraith]

yes

[eternal talon]

it isn't anything like a structure or what these lava tunnels may look like

[finite vine]

I'm guessing the Egg is the entire structure with the lava tubes ect, and the Fossil is a section inside the Egg. Then the Inner is a section within the Fossil.

[eternal talon]

what is this, a russian nesting doll? (of death)

[rocky wraith]

Peel off the iridium and you get webbing tunnels of artifacts and strange voids, peel back the inner and everyone gets melted in a sudden catastrophic surge of energy

[eternal talon]

they had to have accidentally broken some unstable allen tech

there is just no way something that extreme can happen naturally

that's THOUSANDS of meters of rock and debris thrown asunder all the way to the surface

it's a surprise that kind of explosion didn't turn garganta into a crater

[rocky wraith]

when you run a particle accelerator to power your matter wave projector drive and some overgrown ape swinging metal breaks in and disrupts the magnetically held flow of particles spinning near light speed

[eternal talon]

another thought is it could have been a cannon, and the thermal abnormalities was it charging up

[rocky wraith]

Capacitor discharge

they were getting rumbles for a while

no mention of when they started right?

[eternal talon]

do you think any of them would still be alive down there? maybe in some sort of cryogenic stasis that we could encounter?

[rocky wraith]

only that seismic activity was much higher than it should be

[eternal talon]

yes, about a month afik

i'll have to check

October 7th 2053 - October 13th

i was wrong

[rocky wraith]

Apart from vaporised dust and shadows against the walls, the sudden explosive shockwave would have quite literally pasted the remaining workers even if they had avoided the hot beam of death

[eternal talon]

it was only a couple days

[rocky wraith]

six days

[eternal talon]

whatever it was happened fast

[eternal talon]

i don't mean active, god no, the sleepers would have long killed any that were thousands of years ago.

i mean some sort of preservation

[rocky wraith]

allens in cryo

your wet dream huh

[eternal talon]

or maybe samples of genetic data, or something the warden could want

it is obviously interested in NAM-V, so much so it had us run expeditions all through r6 and 6.5 to get data on it left over from team insight

[eternal talon]

i'm just thinking of reasons we could have to eventually have a rundown take us down there

[rocky wraith]

plenty more genomes than just the viruses

[eternal talon]

well yes, but if it started with the allens, knowing how it spread or finding an original sample pre-mutation could change everything

[rocky wraith]

and technically viruses have the smallest genomes of all 'living' things, besides viroids I think

[eternal talon]

because it's already hard to cure stuff because they mutate to be resistant to antibodies and stuff

[rocky wraith]

antigenic shifting, shuffling, and stealing

stinki viruses

[keen mantle]

My concern is… the Warden is obviously under control of the TOP scientists which has no ethical/moral code

[eternal talon]

we don't know that anybody is still alive down here.

aside from schaeffer

[rocky wraith]

not under control any more unfortunately as far as we can tell

[keen mantle]

True. We may not know but the way the Warden has us collecting genome databases

[eternal talon]

the only person who had to codes to biocom died even before the facility went to shit

[eternal talon]

assuming the WHO isn't totally fucked, which lets be honest, is the most likely, it could be trying to get data to send to them

[past matrix]

i mean id say its a bit obvious the Warden has people helping it on the surface

[eternal talon]

because the warden in no way has the means to do any kind of medical research on its own

[rocky wraith]

technically bioinformatics like this is best done by computers

the wrdn would be better than any human

protein simulations, genome interactions, ai would have us all beat

[eternal talon]

it'd still need us to get an un-mutated sample though, right?

antibiotics and stuff best work when you have a weakened form of a thing to teach your body how to fight it

[rocky wraith]

From an allen? sure. except there is a good chance that the allen nicked by kovac has been getting sequenced already

[eternal talon]

that one was infected though

[rocky wraith]

technically

[rocky wraith]

really you only need the presenting antigen

but if it is a changer, then that is where things get tricky

[eternal talon]

//We also have been denied any data from the autopsy of the creature found in Level 27, despite the potential for the life form to be carrying bacteria or viruses for which we have no remedy. Indeed, KDS are now actively denying any life form was found, despite several of our staff being present at the initial discovery. The truth, it seems, is now negotiable. // is the log in question

Analyst Report #SAMD-C066-15

[rocky wraith]

potentially kept away from wrdn

[eternal talon]

but why?

given the state of Garganta, surely finding a cure would be top priority

[rocky wraith]

compartmentalisation of information is the best way to keep it secure

but likely they might not think wrdn is on their sider

[eternal talon]

again, why? this is threatening all life on earth

[rocky wraith]

And Kovac is definitely altruistic

[eternal talon]

i feel you are trying to say the opposite of what you mean

[rich blaze]

I think this was a clear cut case of sarcasm

[rocky wraith]

ye sacrcasm

soz

kovac are paranoid

and they clearly dont play nice with others

[eternal talon]

but point still, kovac would still be fucked just as much as the rest,

and they were, given they are all also dead

ironically, the only thing being left of them is their enslavement system and their slaves that ran their company for them

[rich blaze]

I personally disagree that they're dead

[eternal talon]

its kind of meta, but wasn't all references to the warden being a group of people or organization removed?

[rich blaze]

Not really, people theorised that, but it was just stated that the Warden exists

[eternal talon]

no i meant in an official context

like in old videos on their YT

and other posts

[burnt wren]

Le retcon

[eternal talon]

if warden was in control by kovac or WHO or anybody, they wouldn't have removed all that

because they wouldn't have needed to, it'd still be technically correct

[eternal talon]

what does this mean

what is a changer

new dev-leak. text is too small for me to read when zoomed in 1600%

image quality too low to read.

they planned for this

damnit

[burnt wren]

Do you really read stuff thats on monitors?

That's always just white noise to ms

Hurr durr servers dead, mainframe damaged

[eternal talon]

it's randomly generated from keywords given to it

[rocky wraith]

So a lot of viruses, parasites, bacteria all have their own antigens, and defence mechanisms associated with such to avoid the immune system. A good example is the influenza virus, of which the mutations it gains in every generation causes slight differences in the antigens it presents, meaning the immune system may eventually beat it, but by the time somebody else gets it, they are facing different antigens than what the original host was facing.

A fantastic example is plasmodium, the thing that causes malaria. What it does is that it cycles different genes for its antigens, meaning that when your immune system finally identifies one antigen and produces lots of antibodies for it, the plasmodium simply activates a different gene and thus a different antigen is presented instead which the antibodies can't identify. And the immune system has to go through the whole process of making another antibody type to fight it.

some Viruses like polio and chicken pox don't change their antigens at all, meaning that once you have one antibody against them they can no longer infect you as your system has a defence against them. So that's why some viruses and diseases can have vaccines made quickly for them, while others are practically impossible to vaccinate, for now

You could write hours of interesting interactions between parasites and viruses and immune systems about it, its super cool

[eternal talon]

well then what would be the point of getting the genetic data of NAM-V in r6?

this shit mutates.. far faster than anything remotely possible

mutation is it's entire thing, on a grand scale

[burnt wren]

Warden did talked about unit masking

He's trying to create something that can walk among sleepers

[rocky wraith]

To control it :) the one thing that remains unchanged, is its interactions with the parasite. Being able to control that interaction and how the parasite changes you, well then you have a genetic engineering tool unlike anything crispr could ever compare to

[eternal talon]

even without the parasite, look what it does to corpses you find around the complex and garganta

[burnt wren]

It still opens up their skulls

That's very weird

[eternal talon]

yeah

[burnt wren]

Why does it do that.

[eternal talon]

it doesn't develop past that, but the beginings of it 100%

[rocky wraith]

But if you could down regulate the gene that does that or silence it entirely...

[eternal talon]

though to be fair they did evolve together, so it would make sense they would work together to do what they do

[eternal talon]

it still drives you bat-shit insane though

that's one of the very earliest symptoms

mental instability

[rocky wraith]

The main thing is that massive consistent mutations observed. I don't want to say mutations because mutations is random, what the virus-parasite combo do is highly conserved and consistent. Meaning that there is a highly specific section of genes and proteins which could be altered or changed to modify the outcome of the changes to the sleepers

[eternal talon]

the problem with that though, is every different variation just ends up with a different kind of sleeper

[rocky wraith]

Cause and effect. Once you sequence it, you can change it to remove that part entirely

[eternal talon]

look at the mother and the tank

[rocky wraith]

The thing is is that mother is a combination of several humans

3 I think?

tank I haven't taken a close up look yet

[eternal talon]

there'd still need to be some kind of genetic template to tell the virus to assemble it that way

[rocky wraith]

but I would say they more likely come from a far more developed process

[eternal talon]

the tank, i think is just one really souped up giant

[rocky wraith]

exactly!

[eternal talon]

it doesn't matter if you have 3 hosts or 300

the *parasite will find a way to make the outputs of NAM-V useable

[rocky wraith]

the thing is, obviously once a certain level of biomass is reached, they obviously undergo a specific process of creating mothers. Possibly in the cocoons

[eternal talon]

the kraken almost certainly didn't start out flying, that thing is heavily aquatic

[keen mantle]

I mean… look at the logs… they’re eating through the hazmats

[eternal talon]

it's hard to say which specifically is more dangerous, but they are both extremely problematic

they cover the weaknesses of eachother

[keen mantle]

Exactly. Which comes to question… what kind of control containment is being used to prevent the spread of the Nam V

[eternal talon]

none, everyone is infected

[keen mantle]

I would assume none atm due to those logs stating widespread

[eternal talon]

it was global a decade before the events of the game even

[rocky wraith]

I think the main thing I am trying to get across to you Frosty is, is that the genetically modifying proteins part of the parasite are INCREDIBLY VALUABLE. Like, we have crispr currently which is a glorified pair of scissors. What the parasite has, could be termed magic

[keen mantle]

Oh ok

What about the survivors?

[eternal talon]

stays in hydrostasis seem to slow it down

thats why we are not dead yet

[rocky wraith]

HSU's are preventing serious infection, but they are at the mercy of the wrdn

[keen mantle]

Could it be that the Project RISE is a way to eradicate the sleepers and such?

[rocky wraith]

sleepers vs sleepers

counter parasite

[keen mantle]

A genetic army designed to counter the Sleepers?

[eternal talon]

could by the reason why destination got destroyed tbh. allens were trying to make their version of crispr that got out of hand.

[keen mantle]

Destination?

[eternal talon]

the planet we go to in r6

in the butterfly nebula

[keen mantle]

That wasteland?

[eternal talon]

yes

[keen mantle]

Ok

[eternal talon]

it is 6 thousand lightyears from earth

[keen mantle]

Oh I

Ok

What is Crispr

[rocky wraith]

likely

[keen mantle]

I’m sorry about asking the questions but I’m so out of touch with the lores

[eternal talon]

you are fine

[rocky wraith]

A protein which is programmed to find a specific section of DNA and make a cut

[eternal talon]

crispr isn't a part of the lore, it's a real thing happening right now

[keen mantle]

Oh ok

[eternal talon]

genetic manipulation

[rocky wraith]

my magic

I've used CRISPR irl

[eternal talon]

most notable is stuff like goat silk

[rocky wraith]

its cool af

[keen mantle]

Gotcha

[rocky wraith]

Gene drives

coolest shit on earth

[keen mantle]

The question I have is….

[eternal talon]

goats that make spider silk

really wacky cool shit

[keen mantle]

How the hell did the scientists managed to get their hands on the Kraken genome

[rocky wraith]

designed genes that can self proliferate through a population

[keen mantle]

Since it’s a massive creature…

[eternal talon]

i don't think it is the kraken's genome

it is nam-v's

[rocky wraith]

or the parasites, or any number of the sleepers

[eternal talon]

well it isn't the parasite's genome

i linked you a cdc article about a month ago

they changed usage

for the term genome

[rocky wraith]

huh?

[eternal talon]

let me see if i can find it

[rocky wraith]

in the notion?

[eternal talon]

ah my bad its the term pathogen

we get the pathogen genome in d1

which is exclusive to nam-v

[rocky wraith]

yee

[eternal talon]

this conversation we had, damn 2 months ago

[rocky wraith]

lmao yeah

[eternal talon]

can't belive it was that long ago

[harsh saffron]

@solar nova thank you for making Goldie a character on the notion

[eternal talon]

so yeah, it isn't the kraken's genome

it's nam-v's

though honestly the kraken is already such a really really weird specimen, any lore on it would be great

but really we have nothing at all

it's just there

or was, before we killed it

[rocky wraith]

beeg boi

[solar nova]

Although most likely I'm gonna have to change the description to "secret code for X" assuming it's part of the new log's decryption.

[harsh saffron]

yeah sadly

[eternal talon]

i swear to you, this thing is literally just a giant cuddlefish

it is so eerily similar

the tentacles, eyes, and general shape match up perfectly

[rocky wraith]

Cephalopod genomes are just hnnnnnn so fucking weird and wonderful

[keen mantle]

Also… damn… the new log that requires decryption is crazy

Goes to show that things REALLY went sideways insanely fast and panic/paranoia are a deadly combination

[rocky wraith]

paranoia is the name of the game huh

[keen mantle]

Lmao! I guess that’s true… considering how I look around in DX

[rocky wraith]

It's all Ohio?

[cobalt mulch]

more community workshop challenges, i loved it

[eternal talon]

always has been

[keen mantle]

Lol

[eternal talon]

💥

[rocky wraith]

[past matrix]

next log in 9 hours

[solar nova]

I sleep 💤

Will probs add all of the new logs tmmr

[rocky wraith]

Hyped for the new rundown, honestly vibrating already

[eternal talon]

yep

[eternal talon]

day and a half way

[cobalt mulch]

same here, the thrill of going in blind.. ahh

[rocky wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-gif-18023825

[keen mantle]

Lol! Yes! And the thrill of going at it all Soundless XD

[rocky wraith]

R7A1 gonna be DARK

[eternal talon]

like 6.5, i'm gonna run through it as fast as possible to try and get all the logs in here as soon as i can

will post pictures like last time where possible

[keen mantle]

Can you send me those pictures as well?

[eternal talon]

last time it took me nearly a day and that was just for the extension

[keen mantle]

Yes…. Been practicing soundless Darkrooms form D1 and DX

[past matrix]

meh

[harsh saffron]

I will disappear for like 1/2 months until my team beat everything, thats gonna be hard not to check in here ^^

[eternal talon]

i probably won't get all of them right off the bat

[past matrix]

i hope its better than the last 2 we've gotten

[eternal talon]

i even missed one when i went through 6.5

[rocky wraith]

yassssss

[rocky wraith]

We'll be thorough

I heard a previous rundown had a mother in the A tier, is that true?

[solar nova]

Yes, but on an Overload objective.

[pine agate]

Yep, R5A2 Overload

[eternal talon]

6.5 had a log on every single terminal. if it's gonna be like that, then it's gonna be a while

[rocky wraith]

Jeez, overload in A tier

[solar nova]

Overload on A isn't that strange tbh.

[rocky wraith]

I only joined in R6

[solar nova]

And it's never been that noob friendly, you're kind of just meant to complete Main if you're not experienced.

Ah.

[eternal talon]

and so we must do it just incase there is one log hiding in the overload

[rocky wraith]

lots of screenshotting

[eternal talon]

oh you have no idea

i posted a hundred when 6.5 came out

[solar nova]

Birther is just a lot more in-your-face with "wow, that's hard" than error alarms or stealth through respawns, scouts, and fog.

[rocky wraith]

oh heck

[harsh saffron]

Funnily enough, I don't think we had any logs in optional objectives in R6, did we?

[rocky wraith]

yee

[rocky wraith]

not afaik

[harsh saffron]

oh nvm, CX had one text log in secondary ^^

[pearl trench]

Mood

[eternal talon]

^this was launch day

[pearl trench]

Bruh why must they do this to me

[eternal talon]

because

[solar nova]

Nw, you have like an hour between some of the waves.

[harsh saffron]

its in the second room to the left

[pearl trench]

The log at the end of R5D2 was the funniest tho

[harsh saffron]

yeah, I had to convince my team to stay for one run ^^

and kill the tanks

[solar nova]

Nearly died.

[pearl trench]

It's probably technically possible to slowly herd them around but you'd have to pay me

[solar nova]

R4D2 was definitely up there w/ the Schaeffer log.

Optional zone for fog turbine, needs cell, surge alarm.

Log didn't even exist because it was set incorrectly.

[harsh saffron]

Luckily it was once I got there ^^

[solar nova]

R4D2 PE intended route was so scuffed.

[harsh saffron]

Pulled that door on accident once, nobody was ammused 😄

[pearl trench]

"accident"

[solar nova]

I kind of wish it were better balanced for getting fog turbine tbh, would've been cool.

Wack level.

[past matrix]

honestly i hope we get another r4d2

where the main objective is just getting through a ton of increasingly difficult alarm doors with a wacky room at the end

[pearl trench]

Wasn't that kind of r5c3?

The wacky room just happened to have nothing but an uplink in it

[dim scroll]

yes

[livid grotto]

The Wacky room...

[zealous walrus]

Guys, what if, hear me out, we were trapped by the warden to do stuff for him?

[pearl trench]

A novel theory

[zealous walrus]

Its perfect!

I can make millions off of this theory...

[nimble pewter]

oh they fixed the scrolling on the santonian site

[eternal talon]

Log arrives in 0 days and 0 hours!!

Prepare for the secrets to be revealed!

The lore is here!

more projekt rise information!

[hot burrow]

What the hell is project rise?

[eternal talon]

essentially, mutants that are that grow into adulthood very rapidly, but lack the neural capacity to be immediately viable

[eternal talon]

we've always known it was a substitute or alternative to the legion program

[hot burrow]

Oh

[eternal talon]

given this log, and the voice logs in the extension of 6.5 that explain being "born" a certain number of seconds ago,

it is VERIFIABLY certain, that subject 22 IS a result of the rise project.

this log describes attempting to program "instinct" into these... subjects.

discussing the rise project and that it WILL work, with some revisions to their expectations.

@subtle verge, i do apologize with my speculation and denial, you were correct. S22 is indeed, a part of the Rise project, and this new log has confirmed that.

[pearl trench]

well if there was any doubt as to what Rise was before, there shouldn't be now

[eternal talon]

it reminds me heavily of the flash clones from the halo franchise

essentially embryos that develop extremely quickly into adult or adolescent forms.

though it would appear that whenever this log takes place as it does not have a date, that they are still having an issue with higher thought

as they have a mental capacity far lower than their physical age would imply

[pearl trench]

not a new concept by any stretch, i just expect it to take some very unsettling turns as befits gtfo

[eternal talon]

for all intense purposes, mass-produced children that rapidly develop into adult bodies.. is the rise project.

[pearl trench]

intents and purposes*

[eternal talon]

implementing "instinct" and "intent" into the "seeds"

[pearl trench]

I'm wondering if the "training area" might have been... for the seeds

[eternal talon]

which.. not really sure on the realism on that one, would have to ask @rocky wraith

[eternal talon]

that was for the legion program though, was it not?

[pearl trench]

well, these are also for the legion program

[eternal talon]

also, @cursive moss here is your ping

[eternal talon]

##########################################

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.exec_branch/CGetzB488.flagged
From: Marcus Gantus B623
To: Christopher Getz B488
Date: September 03rd 2053
Subject: Hooking up to the training area
Hey Christopher!
I’m working on the hook up to the training course, and I noticed you haven’t patched in
the overflow vault yet? I believe there’s a lot of T’s in there that Ms. Klein will want
to run through the course, so we need you to patch us in. Is it on your schedule? Or ca
n I help, lol? Sorry, feeling the presh over here.
Can you let me know when it’s all connected so I can run a few virtuals through the ring
er and see if it’s all working before we send in the real deal?
Thanks bud! LMK.
Marcus Gantus
BIOCOM Engineer

##########################################

here is the training area log

it doesn't really say either way

[pearl trench]

yeah

[eternal talon]

though BIOCOM is mostly for legion

it's uncertain

[south lake]

I wonder if 'Subject 22' was one of these Rise "prototypes".

If so, it would explain the seemingly gibberish words

Like talking to a child.

But in the body of an adult.

[eternal talon]

yes, it would seem that that is the case for rise.

mountains more bodies than the legion program,

[south lake]

It would also explain why Subject 22 was.. oddly eloquent, despite the gibberish.

[eternal talon]

but each individually much less intelligent

it would also explain that one tank room @past matrix talks about occasionally in r4ish~

with all of the corpses that look like s22

and why there were neonates there also.

@solar nova we have the log btw if you are still online

it is quite late at night.

[past matrix]

reminder that specimen 22's name got changed

which should have confirmed it was part of Rise a long time ago

[eternal talon]

yes, but it doesn't seem to be really relavant

[past matrix]

unit 22

neonate unit 22

[eternal talon]

it didn't say neonate.

[past matrix]

no

but it said unit

[eternal talon]

yes

a unit could simply mean a troop for that matter.

but regardless, there is far more context on rise in this log

[past matrix]

it could but that would be a massive coincidence

[eternal talon]

and actual info on what it is and how it works

[past matrix]

also the corpses dont look like s22 either

unless they for some reason massively changed the design

[eternal talon]

they are extremely similar

[eternal talon]

well tbf the ones in r4 were far lower polly than s22, so it was most likely just an updated model

[past matrix]

meh

[solar patio]

Or a different prototype.

[past matrix]

^ that would make sense aswell

[eternal talon]

the room in r4 had dozens, maybe a hundred of them

[past matrix]

i know i came to an epiphany a month ago about why its virtually impossible for them to be like specimen 22

but i dont remember why

[past matrix]

also do we know this is for sure for Rise?

didnt we get a few logs last rundown about plants and shit

oh wait never mind it mentions brains LOL

[eternal talon]

// Rise can and will
work, but we need to reevaluate our requirements.//

i believe by "seed" it means.. um.. i'm sure you know. rather than plants.

[past matrix]

yeah

well there's no more r7 marketing now

🙂

[eternal talon]

but it would appear that rise in function is growing humans that reach adulthood extremely quickly but only have the intellect of a child

essentially a "zerg" style alternative to the legion program

numbers over individual brains

[eternal talon]

wasn't there one more log?

or was that the last one

[past matrix]

that was the last one

and trailer doesn't come out until release

[subtle verge]

Healthy speculation is a beautiful thing, my friend. No need to apologize!

[finite vine]

Nice. The new log confirms that Project Rise is in-fact a project that grows new soldiers for Legion.

[finite vine]

I wonder what the warden wants with S22 and Project Rise?

it could be that there are still scientists trying to complete Project Rise/ use it for other purposes.

maybe smc never got Project Rise to work the way they wanted it to

[eternal talon]

it would seem so given they are having to cut away from what they want out of it in this log

though again, i really doubt anybody else is sill alive down here

[finite vine]

I'm saying they might of not got Project Rise to work at all. Because S22 was obviously a failed attempt.

And he was born recently.

[eternal talon]

well it says they were having issues with motivation, and they weren't particularly smart

though it would depend on what use purpose they were made for

[finite vine]

Well the main/ currently known purpose was to use them as soldiers for Legion.

[eternal talon]

a shotgun approach, that's the term i was looking for

[eternal talon]

are you sure? afik the rise project was made as an alternative to legion, not as a companion for it.

they are also made by seperate groups

legion is KOVAC, RISE is Insight

[finite vine]

"We are so focused on the drive to stock Legion independently"

they are trying to stock legion with artificial soldiers.

[finite vine]

how do u know this?

seems to me like Kovac has its hands in both legion and rise

[eternal talon]

//This, of course, is all moot pending Rise, but who knows how long that will be.//
psychological encoding

there is another log

i was already looking for it when you asked

[finite vine]

Angela Klein A106, the writer of the new log, has written/ received many emails regarding Legion and Kovac. Looks like she is with Kovac, mainly working on Legion and Rise.

[eternal talon]

hm. this log now has greater context. https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=72d724eb801648ea9e98bef50df64916

D-Lock Block: unauthorized access... logging
WRDN: override
ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...
ready:_
authorized…
connecting...
\Root?_
\Root\RETURN query “rise” -root -tree -int_server.1024_ciph.tier5 -all

0BC451A3EF #0255 - “... are not surprises when we get down there…”
24D077E29B #1606 - “... the spectral analyzer is eventually going to speed up…”
A2A223BTRE #0422 - "... should come as no surprise that there are several..." - flagged
0BD121CDA2 #5843 - “... going to avoid crises like this in the future we need…”
104366A2A7 #0093 - “... details on the Rise project will be sent to you through D-Lock …” -flagged
0EA33D16E2 #1604 - “... can only theorize as the nature of the material, but best guess…”
33B606C8EB #3021 - “... need to accelerate the growth of the Rise embryos if we are to…” -flagged
25D078D11C #1606 - “... applaud your enterprise, but this is not the time or place to be…”
AAD223BC80 #1002 - “... can complete the Rise project with your help. Imagine the possibilities if…” - flagged
B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged
134A6B31DE #0326 - “... even the KSO was surprised by the ferocity of the attack. We managed to...”
C48AD7B203 #1984 - “... going to require additional HSUs for Rise. Lockwood has been snooping…” - flagged
...more

[harsh saffron]

I think "going to require additional HSUs for Rise. Lockwood has been snooping" kinda implies its indeed KDS and not Insight

because Lockwood is Insight

[eternal talon]

Hey duck

[harsh saffron]

hi ^^

[finite vine]

Angela Klein A106, the writer of the new log, has written/ received many emails regarding Legion and Kovac. Looks like she is with Kovac, mainly working on Legion and Rise.

[eternal talon]

I saw your post

[finite vine]

yea. I re-wrote for the reply feature.

[eternal talon]

1 second

okay

[finite vine]

just to avoid confusion

[eternal talon]

problem is, the neonates are branded with Dreyfus industries

as for project insight, not kovac

[finite vine]

Well to be fair Dreyfus is really the parent company of all these companies.

Kovac and Insight

[eternal talon]

dreyfus industries isn't the parent of kovac

at all.

that is a major plot point at the beginning of the story

[finite vine]

I thought they were?

[eternal talon]

they are down there in garganta in the first place because kovac (the company) had dirt on SMC and dreyfus industries

and they made a deal

[harsh saffron]

• they worked together in the past

[eternal talon]

D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender: Anders Johanson
Receiver: Janson Davies
Date: July 21st 2050
Subject: Services offered

Janson,

Thank you for agreeing to use this platform for our communications. You understand the scrutiny we’re under with the UN investigations, so D-Lock is essential for us. They have access to all our lower tier comms. Rest assured this channel is secure, so we can talk freely.

I wanted to offer our services to you for the SMC operation in Yucatan. As you know, we offer not just military support to protect your physical assets, but also high-level data protection. Considering how delicate the situation is in Mexico, I feel that Kovac is the perfect partner for you. We can keep your competitors out, and keep your confidential data in. Currently, your endeavors are fully exposed.

For example, after minimal work on our end, I know that the internal name of the facility is Garganta. I also know that your arrangement with Gustavo Peres is turning sour, and you may need to remove him from the picture (we can help with that). I also know about the 3500 bodies found near Chicxulub, where they were burned, and we have the medical reports on their cause of death. As I write this, I am looking at the construction costs so far, the private toxicology reports on your injured workers, and on the "unusual discoveries" you have made so far. I know a lot, and it took me less than half a day to find this information.

Please understand this is not extortion. You know me well enough to understand that is not how I work. I am telling you this because your secrets are not secure. Your activities can be easily discovered by any agency willing to do the legwork. You need to fix that.

We have worked together successfully in the past. Let’s renew that relationship.

Anders