#gtfo-lore

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past matrix
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yeah, as far as we know

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we probably won't go back for it or anything; devs seem to have tried to phase out the neonate objectives with the r5 box and the datasphere

lofty warren
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So does anybody have any idea of the lifecycle of the enemies? I always thought that the strikers were mutated/infected people but with the reveal of the mother and it birthing baby strikers I am wondering. Do we have any lore on the creatures?

cobalt mulch
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nothing conclusive rn.. there are some dead body props that are sleeper-like still wearing pants but don't prove / disprove anything

burnt wren
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Nothing on their behaviour either...

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I'm particularly curious about their seizures they have when alerted

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To me it always looked like something inside of them tries to wake up, rather than the sleeper itself.

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Like the sleeper is a shell and whatever inside is what's reacting, shaking them around

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Either that or that's them jump-starting their hearts

cobalt mulch
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personally i love the scream animation with the rotating torso and the "slap ground" thing after it, spectacular mocap stuff

analog island
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what is the hearsay system?

subtle verge
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There's no conclusive lore on the biology of the Sleepers, though Daraxus and a few others are slowly fixing the old theory on that.

analog frigate
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the hearsay system is basically a spy system of sorts in which employees can record things

analog island
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ohh ok

analog frigate
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although higher ups use them to check on them

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but it's generally just a recording thing

pine agate
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Anti-gossip system PirateSimon

analog frigate
analog island
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is there anywhere where i can get a solid grasp on the lore

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cause im browsing the wiki and it makes no sense to me

analog frigate
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in the pins there are a couple summaries and also chase's timeline

subtle verge
analog frigate
analog island
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perfect, thank you

analog frigate
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we have the humanoid sleepers within garganta, which as far as we know sorta separate into two groups

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the one's that were born, and the ones that mutate

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then there are the ones on destination which we don't know much about

burnt wren
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Technically we can't even call them sleepers as we never seen them sleep

analog frigate
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except that they are mutated from whatever life was on the actual planet

analog frigate
analog island
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are nam-v and the parasite separate entities or are they related?

analog frigate
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they are related in origin as far as we know

burnt wren
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The infected would be a more broad but accurate term, but KSOs have very limited vocabulary

analog frigate
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although if they are completely separate in terms of genetics, we don't know

burnt wren
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They seem to be separate entities that have a very unique interaction

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The virus is exceptionally lethal and for all we know wiped out human civilisation outside of garganta

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The parasite - supposedly - prevents the lethal conclusion and instead transforms the infected into what we know as sleepers

analog frigate
burnt wren
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Virus escaped garganta, but parasite did not

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So everything outside is dead, everything inside mutated

analog frigate
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well even if the parasite escaped, it couldn't have gone out of the exclusion zone

burnt wren
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It's unknown whether it not this symbiosis is somehow intended or a complete accident

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But seeing how organised the sleepers are, with different mutations taking specific roles within the hive...

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Either their symbiosis or a result of exceptionally long coexistence or it's a bio weapon. No evidence towards either.

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We have VERY little info on the nature of sleepers. Kinda cursed.

analog frigate
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they definitely have specifically evolved to become a hive-like species

burnt wren
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Maybe we'll have something solid by the time rundown 20 releases LUL

cobalt mulch
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something i've wondered about.. .. all that construction on multiple sites on alpha..

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clearly they had a peaceful time period where exploration and construction were possible.. but later, d1, alpha2 is totally destroyed save one terminal and a shack.. what happened?

analog frigate
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unknown

cobalt mulch
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did they trigger something, did the "natives" somehow notice the intrusion and started eradicating human life or sth

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intriguing stuff

analog frigate
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imagine a person stepping on an ant nest

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probably the same thing

burnt wren
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It seems that Kraken found them

cobalt mulch
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and btw the "biggest fan" thing on bx looks very dope as does the same fan (presumably) from below on dx. cool stuff.

burnt wren
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Biggest fan?

cobalt mulch
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bx, before doing the alarm bit, look around, there's a huge propeller spinning closeby, covering a hole on the ground

analog frigate
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you go inside that facility

burnt wren
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I remember something like that... Vaguely...

analog frigate
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i believe in DX

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if you look up then you can see both the fan and the crane above it

cobalt mulch
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yeah, scaler's guide has him glimpse up, very briefly (at least)

analog frigate
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i haven't really looked at DX but iirc it's something close to what garganta was

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mining/research facility

cobalt mulch
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yep, kinda unfinished as the behind-door darkzones had just ladders and metal sheets for walkways etc

analog frigate
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yeah, with the zone 0a

burnt wren
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Such places take ages to setup

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Had to take like a year

cobalt mulch
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hopefully r7 gives us some more goodies on the time humanity spent on alpha, what we've heard is kinda horrible

analog frigate
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before it was max a month or two

burnt wren
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Exactly

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Might be a plot hole

analog frigate
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now it seems like they had a complete longtime operation there

burnt wren
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Also where the hell did they get the resources from

analog frigate
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probably teleported them in

burnt wren
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We're they sent with them during the initial incident?

analog frigate
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that's way too much resources to send at once

burnt wren
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Exactly

analog frigate
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we know they sent supplies multiple times

burnt wren
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I don't remember anything about them trying to support the first doomed expedition

subtle verge
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Supplies were sent in the same way that the teams were sent in, however I don't think they went in at the same time.

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Durant mentions that the plants he sent thru were sent three days prior.

burnt wren
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Why though

analog frigate
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they supported the expedition since it wasn't doomed from the start

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at first it was just an actual expedition

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then something happened after some time

burnt wren
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I mean you lost contact with your pathfinders, literally no way to communicate. I understand trying sending in food and water blindly in the hopes that they'll survive, but construction sets to setup an entire base / system of outposts? That's... Wishful thinking?

analog frigate
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they probably didn't know

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the expedition was organised by dr. stokes

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and she had no idea about it

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e.g. why some random operatives took bishop through a door they can't access

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which was a part of that project my memory apparently doesn't like

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not rise, not legion

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i forgot but someone else knows

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project insight

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there we go

subtle verge
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As I mentioned previously, they more-than-likely sent supplies to the destination first before any personnel. I'd imagine they sent in some kind of remote observation device before they sent any personnel in.

analog frigate
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the hammerstine probe

subtle verge
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That's the one.

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It makes sense to do that first otherwise you're sending people into an unknown, potentially cruel, fate.

burnt wren
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Ah

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That makes sense, yeah

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Send building materials first, then personel

eternal talon
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@analog frigate bx and dx are near to b1 aswell

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@analog frigate here is a better picture of the giant fans btw

ember goblet
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Have any new "companies" appeared in the game in GTFO with Rundown 6 or 6.5?

analog frigate
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still only the ones before

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no one new was introduced yet

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as far as i know at least

harsh saffron
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Only thing into that direction is us getting a logo for Project Insight on the MWP. But yeah just a bunch of new ppl, no companies.

knotty harness
grave terrace
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u go in big hole, monsters

steel plover
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Hole, monsters

grave terrace
steel plover
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Anyone figured out wheter we really are in a time loop?
Pretty much confirmed in R6A1 innit?

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Cryptomnesia kinda himts at it too

grave terrace
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Hole, monster, overseerer

steel plover
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Computer good, alien hole kill humanity

grave terrace
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Collect stone

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Stim shots

steel plover
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Kill facehole

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Escape hole

grave terrace
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Color schemes

subtle verge
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It's a very common memory bias in musicians, poets, artists, etc.

eternal talon
rich blaze
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"Don't look too much into it" ≠ "It isn't canon"

eternal talon
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^

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^

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it's mechanics were entirely gameplay testing

dreamy cloak
subtle verge
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@harsh saffron My br0ther, this video is phenomenal. Well done!

harsh saffron
subtle verge
harsh saffron
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Of course not, go ahead ^^

subtle verge
eternal talon
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I could watch videos like this for hours. Heavily reminds me of those old fallout new vegas lore videos by TheNthApple

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10/10

harsh saffron
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Thank you ^^ Bishop_Heart

celest pagoda
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It's clear lots of time and effort went into this. This is great work!

harsh saffron
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Other Ways to Say “Thank You So Much” and “Thank You Very Much” in Writing
Thank you kindly ^^Bishop_Heart

obsidian spruce
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Thank you sery much?

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Thank you vo much?

unique bison
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just got back into the game has there been any changes to the lore?

cobalt mulch
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mainly, a specimen 22 and a bucket.

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🙂

unique bison
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whats specimen 22

dim scroll
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remember the guys at the end of R4D2 ?

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In green suits

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It's him

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unique bison
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he doesnt look very healthy

dim scroll
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What HSU does to a mf

unique bison
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arent the prisoners in HSUs while their not being sent down to hell?

unique bison
dim scroll
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There were many of them

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everywhere in that room

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There were piles as well

unique bison
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oh i see thats a lot of them

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im guessing we dont know why they were there do we

dim scroll
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There are many HSUs in that room so they probably came off them

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No idea why though

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What's weird to me is how they started piling themselves up

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Found that YT thumbnail which shows it well

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past matrix
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tbh I doubt its supposed to be other specimens, just people in HSUs

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they're much smaller and also have different skintones and shit

unique bison
unique bison
dim scroll
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There is legit no purpose to do so unless you want to burn the bodies

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Which is mentioned in some logs but doesn't seem to be related to this

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Except if HSUs prevent their skins from decaying for some reason ? 😳

eternal talon
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burning anything underground is a VERY bad idea

dim scroll
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Indeed

eternal talon
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the air will get toxic fast

dim scroll
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We would see black stains on the ceiling anyway

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Idk this is really weird

rocky wraith
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I hadn't heard the 10:30 audio log before huh

unique bison
eternal talon
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he's talking about pollution, nothing to do with nam-v

unique bison
rocky wraith
subtle verge
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My thought process is that the guys in green were failed trials of either the Warden's or something else, seeing as they're very likely to be synthetic "humans" in layman's terms.

eternal talon
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in cx real quick

rocky wraith
eternal talon
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it sounds like he is, but at the end its clear he isnt

rocky wraith
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but this one in the video is differnet

eternal talon
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@harsh saffron

harsh saffron
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yo

eternal talon
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audio log at 10:30

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beanz wants to know

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isn't it the CX log at the start?

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like 90% sure

harsh saffron
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cx beginning is him talking about the digging in the ocean

eternal talon
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^

rocky wraith
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Yes

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But the one at 10:30 isn't that

unique bison
eternal talon
harsh saffron
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yup, I'll have to look that up, the audios are the ones I didn't write down in the script

rocky wraith
subtle verge
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That's my theory, though.

unique bison
harsh saffron
eternal talon
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he is talking about the state of truth audio you play

harsh saffron
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yeah thats the one

rocky wraith
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EBDT-4QS-QVB.AUD the one in the video

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not from CX

rocky wraith
subtle verge
# unique bison its interesting but the warden has the expedition teams for accessing the facili...

Allegedly, through one of Schaeffer's audio logs, they can survive Sleeper attacks (unconfirmed). He goes to explain that one was torn apart right in front of him, but it kept talking "in a voice that wasn't its own" and was eventually left alone. In another log, we can hear it walking through and talking to Sleepers as if they were normal humans but it wasn't triggering them awake while Schaeffer is terrified and being as quiet as he can.

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That's assuming that what is described is one-and-the-same.

unique bison
eternal talon
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13:28 "we don't really know if the warden is a protocol or an ai" WDYM

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we literally do

subtle verge
celest pagoda
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I remember that part of the first mimic log Schaeffer says something under his breath that's hard to hear. Something along the lines "Gosh(?) (There's/is there) more than one.."

subtle verge
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Can't say I remember that at all. I'll go give it a listen to see if I missed that. Sweating

celest pagoda
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I believe it's right before he says "when the creatures first saw it".

eternal talon
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@harsh saffron 13:28: "we don't really know if the warden is a protocol or an ai or something else"

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subtle verge
unique bison
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so there could be more than one of those things that dont piss off sleepers?

celest pagoda
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Or, in some way, these bodies share a consciousness.

subtle verge
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Holy shit, hold the phone. Gravy your ears are a blessing. I think that confirms that our "mimic" as being one of the Specimens.

hot burrow
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What are you guys talking about

eternal talon
subtle verge
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The Mimic/Specimen from the audio logs.

eternal talon
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i don't hear it

unique bison
hot burrow
celest pagoda
subtle verge
hot burrow
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👀👀

harsh saffron
subtle verge
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"It's my fault, it's all my fault... Gosh more than one..."

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Oh my god this is kinda' big, actually. This means that all of those failed Specimens were made in attempts to be undetected by the Sleepers, and eventually Warden got it right with 22.

eternal talon
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that doesn't neccessarily confirm anything

subtle verge
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Or, rather, mostly right.

eternal talon
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i'm booting into the game rn

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that audio log sounds hella spliced

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loading into c2 to confirm

subtle verge
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Couldn't be undetected by the Scout. Sweating Then again, that's what happens when you bump into one.

hot burrow
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What’s going on now? I look away for 1 second

subtle verge
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@analog frigate what are your thoughts when you have the time? I remember us discussing this topic pretty heavily for a while.

eternal talon
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i'm going in to verify rn

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that part of the log is.. weirdly structured, if that is actual audio

unique bison
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i just listened to the SC3-1BG-98.LOG log did shaffer just talk to whatever the specimen is

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hes clearly having a conversation with something

subtle verge
analog frigate
rocky wraith
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You know, I was wondering what that nFrame data could be used for, considering there was a tonne of processing involved, but now it seems more and more likely that the Warden is trying to control the specimens using the nFrame data and controlling them more directly(?)

unique bison
rocky wraith
subtle verge
# analog frigate i can but you'll have to sum it up into one message since i'm ill and brain fog ...

Oof. Hope you get to feeling better, my guy. 😦

Gravy pointed out something in the very first audio log of Schaeffer's monster logs. Schaeffer states: "Gosh, there's more than one..." when referring to our Mimic/Specimen friend. When he states that it speaks in a voice that's not its own, it's getting ripped apart by the sleepers and has no fear. This heavily reminds me of the moment where he's killing Specimen 22; there's no fear in its voice, but its still trying to plead for its life.

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Implying that all of the corpses in green pants and hats could be failed versions of Specimens where Warden was attempting to create a version that wouldn't alert Sleepers... in my opinion, of course.

rocky wraith
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What if specimen 22 was the final one, which is why it was pleading more so than the previous ones?

subtle verge
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I think that one little sentence that we've missed implies and more-than-likely confirms that our "mimic" is a Specimen.

eternal talon
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that is so weird

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it's structured like it's unrelated to his rantings but injected into the middle of the log

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it's literally entirely out of sync with the rest of the log

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like from a recording studio standpoint, it is very clearly not right

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it's a flat cut at the start of "there's more than one"

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this is very likely added recently

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that's not normal audio splicing

unique bison
eternal talon
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when was this recording added to the wiki?

subtle verge
eternal talon
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there might be different types

subtle verge
eternal talon
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i'm in-game rn

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this is a flat cut in the audio

rocky wraith
eternal talon
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this is a audio software level thing identifiable as a cut

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this isn't anything to do with speaking

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so im asking, was it changed? and do we have any previous versions

subtle verge
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It's posted in the Timeline, and as far as I'm aware, the file hasn't been edited unless Ray changed it.

eternal talon
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when was the recording added to the wiki and notion

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PUNK

subtle verge
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There's no changelogs, my guy. I don't know what to tell you.

eternal talon
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i'm saying IN-GAME

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it is spliced

subtle verge
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I believe you.

eternal talon
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not to do with the notion

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this log was likely changed

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like the board in CX was

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i'm asking when our saved recordings of it are from

subtle verge
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I'm saying: if it was changed in-game, there's no changelog about it, nor has the original uploads been changed/edited from the Wiki/Timeline.

eternal talon
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the board in CX wasn't in the changelog

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some of these lore things weren't mentioned

near summit
eternal talon
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it was added later afik, yksb

burnt wren
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There one was log with fucked up audio timing

celest pagoda
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A bit of a stretch here, but S22 is also referd to as unit22 IIRC. DX's debrief mentions "potential to enhance unit masking". Maybe this refers to 'masking' the specimens presence to the sleepers. If it was undetected by most sleepers, but alerted a scout, maybe the Warden I attempting to fully mask its presence.

harsh saffron
eternal talon
unique bison
burnt wren
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Yes, thats the one.

harsh saffron
# eternal talon

That one sounds pretty normal to me, the 2nd log where they talk to each other has these awkward B1 audio log breaks in it as well tho.

burnt wren
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Btw. When sleepers attack us - are they attempting to infect us or tear us apart?

unique bison
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tear as appart im pretty sure

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considering the screaming

rocky wraith
# eternal talon

Another reference to the body burnings mentioned in the state of truth logs by the other guy

eternal talon
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it's a flat cut in the audio

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eternal talon
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it's a splice

unique bison
eternal talon
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Well that's the point

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It's a cut.

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Also it's from in-game, so the ambience and monsters will play a factor, so sadly can't be 100% clean

unique bison
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any idea where i can find a cleanner version i didnt see any dowload links (then again maybe i missed them)

subtle verge
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Check the pins. Everything is on the Notion.so link and on the wiki. :)

unique bison
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will do

analog frigate
# subtle verge Oof. Hope you get to feeling better, my guy. 😦 Gravy pointed out something in...

so a little late but:
i do think that is very possible. it definitely is some creation by kds or smc, due to the robotic voice that it has, and how it ties to the chips that were supposedly installed in those exact specimens and then malfunction from magnetic forces. that then ties into how the clocks in a specific zone were off by a certain time due to what probably are magnetic fields. the only thing i dislike is how specimen 22 has a bullet hole and doesn't seem like schaeffer beat it to death like he did in the log, although then we get back into what he said as well for wondering how many of them there are. that leads me more to believe that he killed another one in that specific log, although we didn't find it yet.
i do really think that it's extremely likely specimen 22 was some experiment (probably related to the rise project), that then malfunctioned and became the horror thing that it is. it would also explain the giant amount of bodies that we find in r4(don't remember which), with those being failed experiments.

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and i have some base to make a prediction: the dead bodies in r4 we found were torn up by the tanks we find it that room (i believe there was one), but they were failures, they couldn't regenerate or something similar. then the mimic is a somewhat successful version of the experiment (what i suppose we can technically call specimen 22), with it having some regeneration, although apparently not enough, except it was flawed in that the chip controlling it malfunctioned from some magnetic ore or something affected it.

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then schaeffer could've killed specimen 22 or some other one, and that's about the end of the road

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my personal opinion is that this is what the rise project is about

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since we have nothing on it except that it's about the neonates (from which specimen 22 could've come from)

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then we can branch off into possibilities:
1- it's to somehow experiment with sleeper dna or something similar, and learn about the species
2- now that they are genetically grown with superior regeneration and complete control due to the chip, to replace the legion program and actually form the perfect soldier - genetically modified to be extremely durable, can be trained through the data gotten from the prisoner's neural cortexes and become perfectly trained soldiers with any background, and have zero personality since they are lab grown and controlled from the moment they start existing

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personally i would bet on the ladder, since that's the more logical route that the rise project would go with the current info we have

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also it's called Rise

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to rise above something, to be better

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sorry for the giant text dump, but i had no other way to put it into words

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might make a doc when i have the time

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and again, sorry for the very late reply, life decided that my birthday present was going to be to get ill ihavenofacebutiwillstillscream

harsh saffron
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Happy birthday and get well soon WoodsHug

subtle verge
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Happy Birfday and feel better! Hackett_Heart

analog frigate
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tysm ^^

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so, quick question: where do we find specimen 22?

harsh saffron
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End of Dx, in the room you may have seen in R5C3 (Big screens, multiple levels)

analog frigate
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also when did we first find out about the mimic since i'm dense and can't find it

harsh saffron
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that should be R6C2

analog frigate
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wasn't there a log in r5?

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like the pale white skin covered in ash description?

harsh saffron
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nah, thats C2

analog frigate
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ah

harsh saffron
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I could be wrong but I think we didn't hear about it before

analog frigate
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you probably aren't

snow yarrow
celest pagoda
rocky wraith
compact kindle
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So just how loud is the Scout anyway?

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In comparison to our real life decibel scale, that is

craggy widget
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Good question

sonic citrus
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Previously on DX when a scout has screamed at me my volume was lowered (due to a bug) for the level for some time. If we are counting that as hearing loss it may put it in the range of 130-150 😉

dim scroll
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That is a bug

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However it's definitely above 100 for sure

agile plinth
dim scroll
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Especially when you can hear it loud and clear 3/4 rooms apart

agile plinth
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louder than gunfire for sure

cobalt mulch
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awesome effect the blue shockwave has on fog btw, i love it

agile plinth
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iirc our characters don't wear much in terms of ear protection

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but then we get into how the sound impenetrable walls work

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which is a lost cause

cobalt mulch
agile plinth
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I'd bet it's not a out the sound attracting a wave through but something else

cobalt mulch
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(was demo'ing a software called Kauna for a friend, a visual audio eq)

sonic citrus
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Without ear protection the amount of gunfire not causing physical damage is kinda unrealistic, so its hard to gauge based on that. One argument is that the scout triggers enemies from further away but that could be the nature of the scout scream rather than the volume

agile plinth
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also can anyone check the pitch in hz of the scream?

cobalt mulch
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it doesn't have a distinct hz spike

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it was all over the place

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sec

agile plinth
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since it could coincide with the possibility that sleepers are deaf to higher frequencies and that's why lock melters and such don't wake them

cobalt mulch
agile plinth
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ah

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then i assume the blue wave thing isn't what is waking them up

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more so possibly spreading a hormone alerting others

cobalt mulch
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i'd say the normal audio distance thing is controlling the near-wakeups.. the wave is purely game mech

agile plinth
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which does make sense since they don't wake people up in adjacent rooms with closed doors

cobalt mulch
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doesn't even wakeup ppl in the same open space 40+ meters or so afar

agile plinth
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yeah, so could be to spread pheromones through the air

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and then that somehow goes over to a group of sleepers

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this is all a bit farfetched though

cobalt mulch
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the fact that they materialize out of the ceiling or thin air 2 rooms away is gold that it doesn't "just happen" like in other games

wary portal
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does anyone know where the lore terminal or what log specifically hints what the warden mainly wanted from r4

harsh saffron
wary portal
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DX huh thanks!

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you mean in the alpha section?

harsh saffron
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Should be before and/or after the alpha section. I meant 2nd half in terms of all the logs in the level ^^

wary portal
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got it thanks!

rocky wraith
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It's loud enough to temporarily deafen the player and mutes other sounds for a small period

subtle verge
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A gunshot has a range of 140-165db to give a bit of reference. Considering that as a baseline, we can assume a scout's whoop and scream starts around 60-70db (talking human voice range) and scales up to around, I'd say, about 175-180db?

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That would be my best guess. Add a few to the top end, maybe.

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That's assuming its scream is all sound, of course.

wary portal
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so for my understanding the warden wants the chips i guess from A1 ? and the Protein Sequencers Nyxos from C2 ? 🤔 regarding the lore of R4

solar nova
rocky wraith
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Basically nFrame data and other stuff as far as I am aware

red oasis
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Why do glow sticks from the year 2050 last a minute

burnt wren
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Gameplay

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Although honestly why not extend them? They are already one of the least valuable pick ups unless its that one super dark room in the entire level

red oasis
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Are the glow sticks from the store lore accurate

quick grove
rocky wraith
unique bison
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goddamn peashooters

burnt wren
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I mean... They at least don't jam, so they're not that bad.

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We could get LA80 on initial release LUL

unique bison
burnt wren
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Could make for a fun little situation I can tell you that much

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I believe gun jamming could be a cool mechanic, it just needs to be very carefully balanced

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Something like 0,1% chance to jam on any given shot, but it can only happens once every 10 minutes or so with a cooldown

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To exclude a possibility of someone hitting that galaxy level jackpot

unique bison
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the thing is with how many rounds you go through looks at any alarm that 0.1% can become very annoying the cooldown is a solution but i dont think its an ouright cure for it

burnt wren
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I mean that's supposed to be about 1/1000 rounds

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You don't get that much with 100% UZI

rocky wraith
unique bison
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i mean maybe? would make sense to reduce the noise even if gameplay wise it doesnt do anything

unique bison
rocky wraith
blissful linden
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Is there any info on how the sleepers react to different light wavelengths/spectrums? Like they dont react to the glowsticks at all. Is there any info on like infrared or UV or anything like that?

burnt wren
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Nah, none.

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Sleepers are a big bland spot in the lore. Thy exist and can bite, that's about all we know.

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They also don't react to light made by fog repellers.

blissful linden
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Gotcha.

solar patio
unique bison
solar patio
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Some them maybe. Stuff like the hel gun feel like really nice sci fi weapons.

blissful linden
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In that case maybe not the lowest bidder

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But

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It's experimental and could blow up

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So give it to the expendables!

solar patio
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I don't think the warden went to an online auction lol. I think probably what happened was that there was a large arsenal of weapons originally in the complex but many were lost and destroyed as Garganta was lost and the warden now only has a haphazard few left to equip us with.

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it explains why he has such high quality weapons but not ones that are reliably of military quality.

unique bison
blissful linden
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More or less. We're a decoy in that one it says.

solar patio
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I think we're pretty expendable. it's been in the brief for multiple missions.

unique bison
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unique bison
unique bison
solar patio
solar patio
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Because yes there are definitely thousands.

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unique bison
blissful linden
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Probably has to do with the neonate?

solar patio
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Actually yeah that's a good point.

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Huh?

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How?

blissful linden
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Not directly related sorry

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But maybe pulling something related to it

unique bison
solar patio
blissful linden
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Diverting power from unneeded subsectors to power something related to it?

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Just a thought.

unique bison
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could be but last i checked oxygen underground sounds important

blissful linden
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I'm also coming from a pretty different/wild train of thought than most tbh.

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My theory is the Warden is corrupted by whatever is going on with the NAM-V

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And is not acting on humanity best interests any longer

unique bison
solar patio
# solar patio Do you know about kds deep?

anyway I don't think this is a spoiler not from this rundown. it's from R5. But basically in R5E1 we went deep into a place known as KDS deep where thousands of members of project legion were stored in HSU pods and we inputted a terminal command to give the warden full access. SO there are definitely a lot more of us.

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Shaeffer also hints at it in some R5 logs about building an army.

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Thousands of sleeping soldiers. Waiting to be awakened.

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unique bison
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blissful linden
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Could the Nemesis by responsible for what break through all the layers in Garganta? Sorry to be random. Just thought about how it moves and it's shape and it kind of clicked.

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Always wondered since the metal is facing upwards

solar patio
solar nova
blissful linden
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Damn...

solar patio
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Maybe they even have their own rundowns lol

blissful linden
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It was hyper condensed, eh? That...is interesting

solar patio
unique bison
blissful linden
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I'm trying to figure out how energy could maintain it's shape and form like that without warping the entire deck

solar nova
blissful linden
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And the only thing i can think of it being from a weapon system or somethign like that

unique bison
solar nova
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It is probably some sort of device or weapon, though. That or there's some kind of energy storage that results in that sort of "drill" that malfunctioned.

blissful linden
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Agreed. It points to it most likely being something technologic like that.

solar patio
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unique bison
blissful linden
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I really like the idea of the NAM-V being a byproduct of something. I said earlier I like to think of them as white blood cells. What if you looked at it from a mechanical point of view? What if the substance was something like an oil we pump through machinery and it was highly mutagenic/unstable under certain conditions

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The people at Garganta accidentally crack open a very important machine and cause the pressurized substance to erupt

solar patio
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I don't know if you read logs on terminals but it is definitely worth doing.

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Really cool lore stuff.

unique bison
solar nova
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unique bison
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unique bison
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oh and as for being one of the top teams like you mentioned earlier i think that is probably whats going on but part of it is also just him saying if they die il just replace them as we ARE used as decoys for something else

unique bison
solar patio
# unique bison this was interesting to listen to so schaeffer does know us to some extent (atle...

Oh I'm sure he knows haha. Remember A1's audio log? Furthermore I'm assuming he picked us in particular to somehow help jumpstart his "revolution" He list several particular skills that our characters all have. The bigger question is. How did he get the warden to pick us too? is it just a coincidence that all the people he needs for his plan are all on one team already? I don't think so. So either he somehow manipulated the wardens systems a long time ago. Or the warden is using us as bait.

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or else some possibility I haven't yet considered.

unique bison
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i think its likely bait or maybe its kind like what happens in portal where ratman makes chell the player character the perfect candidate for testing knowing shed have the skills needed to kill glados

solar patio
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I don't think he was picking by already set teams because he comes to each conclusion separately.

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Hmm but how?

unique bison
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well the place is filled with computers right? it woudnt be a stretch to say he could use his credentials to edit the prisoners files

solar patio
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Did he hack the wardens systems? Seems unlikely considering how much power the warden holds over Schaeffer?

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hmm

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Maybe...

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it seems that details are what an Ai like the warden would notice. But maybe there was some backdoor somehow.

unique bison
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keep in mind that the warden is an AI it has to follow its programming wich is take care of garganta one rogue guy woudnt be too much of a concern to him assuming he doesnt interfere with his objectives

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wich other than speaking to us in the logs (wich the characters are assumed to not remember anyway due to the mind wipes) he doesnt do too much

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and its not too much of a stretch to guess the warden thinks schaeffers dead he went on a mission his team died and he never did go to the extraction so could be the warden assumed he just died

solar patio
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Could be could be.

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I don't know how much control the warden has over us. He seems to know instantly when things happen during missions which leads me to believe he is remotely monitoring everything that's happening somehow. Maybe he even has implants to see through out eyes. As well as monitoring the state of the facility through the data that he's getting from basically everything that's operational. Anyway it seems like he'd know about Schaeffer at least.

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in Dx he seems to suspect from the audio log that Schaeffer beat subject 22 to death and asked us to confirm it.

unique bison
solar patio
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Oh really? Didn't know that.

unique bison
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as for monitoring the facility it is probably through data he gets from various sensors throughout it but doesnt seem to have full control (as evidenced by us needing to do uplinks with terminals and the reactor bootups needing to be manuelly triggered)

solar patio
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Yeah agreed. Garganta was meant to be run by humans not one all powerful system

unique bison
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yup if the corpses around the place wasnt already a clue

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also can i ask if we ever figured out just what infection is? i remember back when i got the game we didnt know much has that changed in any way

harsh saffron
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Nah, there are some theories but nothing confirmed I think.

unique bison
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i see currently im assuming its just something coming out of whatever hole gargantua was made in and seeping into the facility as whenever the ventilation system turns off it just appears

solar patio
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Yeah don't think we know. it has some contradictions that are confusing.

unique bison
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alright good to know

unique bison
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thanks for helping me accually understand whats going on

analog frigate
analog frigate
# unique bison also can i ask if we ever figured out just what infection is? i remember back wh...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PUGP9QcbTQBEJnSwfNI_XdY931Zoeq6fMu8bwn4LJas/edit

Google Docs
GTFO Toxic Fog Theory

Currently we have 3 possible theories on what could be causing the fog to be toxic: 1 - Toxin, something like Sarin 2 - Parasite, something microscopic in nature 3 - Dust, most likely Cretasium We have managed to rule out it being a parasite and dust. Below are listed proofs of it being the thre...

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well not 100% log proven, but as close as we can get with the information from the environment

brazen falcon
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Wait...so, the whole civilization is gone due to NAM-V, and warden sends prisioners in the complex to find cure?

burnt wren
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Well, we can't confirm that it's GONE gone, but according to some calculations the civilisation collapsed for sure.

But no, Warden is not trying to find a cure. Hes doing something else.
In DX he mentioned "potential to improve unit masking".
He seems to be trying to breed artificial humans that are completely invisible to sleeping hive.

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For what ends though - who knows. Maybe trying to create humanity 2.0.
Maybe it's trying to create a vessel to transfer itself into and escape the complex.
Or maybe its stuck doing some mission kovac gave to it before collapsing with the rest of humanity.

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Personally I wish it was the latter as it would give extra tragedy to this whole ordeal, but I don't think writers will go there. Too depressing and it's hard to make something interesting out of it.

wary portal
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so i am rehearing the audio logs now and then and regarding the log from b1 in alpha 1 one of the reason the tether link got cut off was because the dr speaking had 3 theories and one of them was that someone falsified the data when the prope was sent back. either it was falsified by kovac because they hoped those people gather data and die there in order to deny eyewitness then establish the link again to retrieve the data however bishop survived as the only person from the team or it was by whatever else there is in alpha like luring your prey but i don't think for a food source more like they want to observe and learn what the creatures (humans) do and behave like

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also really curious what happened to humanity above ground but seeing how no one gives a shit that a giant facility as gargantua is destroyed i think civilization either collapsed or somehow this entire region is under quarantine which i doubt

eternal talon
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or atleast it was.

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go have a read of the "for dummies" document in the pins

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Kovac worked with contacts in the Mexican government to setup an exclusion zone around Garganta

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within, kovac had total control

eternal talon
wary portal
brazen falcon
eternal talon
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It is fair to assume he would have either forgotten, or have not had the mental capacity in the first place to come to such conclusions for a report.

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That also is assuming the character log is AFTER the venture to destination, which it likely wasn't as all character logs are when they are first being put into the program, and by the time insight is digging into Allen technology we are very far along in the timeline

wary portal
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if his mind was so fucked up by the Programm and he couldn't think anything i wonder how he is the only one that came back/survived

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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KSOs are just drones in human flesh

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I believe the expedition leader laments as much

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He tries to talk to him and all bishop responds with is "awaiting next objective" or something like that

rocky wraith
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yup

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they needed objective stacks to function

burnt wren
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Because that's all they do - they just complete biocom's objectives. Don't think, don't talk, just act.

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Which begs the question how did bishop survived... Did he went full doomguy on the fliers? "I don't know who I am and what I must do, but all I know is that I must kill"

rocky wraith
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With the massive stress they have gone through as well as the returning of their personalities, it can be assumed that warden is using their own motivation to push them through objectives when out of contact with the warden

rocky wraith
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I know they were backed into a cave finally, Bishop could have sat with his back to the wall and prayed

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Or covered himself in the bloated corpses of other members to hide

burnt wren
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Or just sat there for days, gun pointed at entrance, just breathing

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A fucking turret in human form

rocky wraith
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I reckon hiding under corpses, given that the fliers don't seem to want to eat them

burnt wren
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We didn't see any when we were at destination, did we?

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No blood, no guts anywhere...

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Just abandoned camps

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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I haven't seen a single one o_O

rocky wraith
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On B1 there are 2 corpses within 20 seconds of running

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On C1 the arena is filled with corpses on all sides

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On D1 its abandoned and I don't remember seeing corpses

burnt wren
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And none in DX assuming that's destination too

rocky wraith
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But on B1 and C1 defo corpses on destination

burnt wren
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I seriously haven't noticed any... Was too busy surviving in C1

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I have a serious case of tunnel vision

harsh saffron
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here are some from B1

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rocky wraith
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yeeeee

burnt wren
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Hm. It even looks like they were halfway transforming into sleepers...

rocky wraith
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yup

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like most corpses

burnt wren
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No a single proper one... Minus specimen.

rocky wraith
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very few corpses look like they aren't going through the transformation

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Sometimes you can find the clothes where someone was "reassembled" covered with blood and stuff

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no corpse tho which is peculiar

burnt wren
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Near teleportstion device in B1 there's a weird corpse

rocky wraith
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yup

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that's the one I mentioned

burnt wren
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It has the skull, but no body. Just empty clothes.

rocky wraith
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yush

burnt wren
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It's like the sleeper vomited out the skull and moved on.

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But the clothes are too nearly placed... Very weird.

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It's like the man got vaporised where he was laying

rocky wraith
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"So what did you do today?"
"I went around on a horror game screenshotting all the corpses I could find"

wary portal
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the black substance on the mouth looks like its its cull or i dunno

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i still wonder how these freaks can survive without half of their body being present

burnt wren
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Heavy case of dead spacing me thinks

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Did you know that cockroaches don't have a brain?

harsh saffron
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Bodies are so overrated

burnt wren
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Instead they have one general nervous system along their entire body.

rocky wraith
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I think

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It's why occiput damage is high

wary portal
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i think maybe it has something to do with the yellow roundlike substance inside the body

rocky wraith
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The "egg" shaped things

burnt wren
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I always assumed that's what happened to dead space necromoprhs. Whatever transforms them creates a single nervous system across the body, hence why dismemberment works.
Perhaps sleepers work on the same principle. Although it doesn't explain extra headshots damage, so there's clearly SOMETHING inside their head, but it's not vital enough.

rocky wraith
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they really do look like eggs

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They could also be cysts or tumours

burnt wren
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... Presumably filled with parasite.

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Hey Warden, why don't you get on that

rocky wraith
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forbidden gobstoppers :)

burnt wren
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Why do we even even wear gas masks

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Parasite doesn't give a shit, we are clearly already super infected

wary portal
rocky wraith
burnt wren
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Lul

rocky wraith
wary portal
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ooooh wait

burnt wren
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Let me beat CX just to stare at some balls in a secret room

wary portal
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I know what you are talking about

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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The what

wary portal
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the speedrum strat

burnt wren
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I don't wanna know actually

rocky wraith
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yeem

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but yeah many interesting things to learn on the X missions

burnt wren
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Eh, not much to stare at in BX

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Minus the destination facility

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I still don't understand how they build that

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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Sites like that take years to build

rocky wraith
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They are speedy

burnt wren
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Presumably 2040 tech helps a lot

rocky wraith
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yup

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though that massive structure is still tough to concieve in that time frame

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though tbh we don't know when they stopped

wary portal
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are bx and dx the same facility?

rocky wraith
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We know they started teleporting at least after 2054 but when they stopped is unknown

wary portal
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because of the giant vent at the top

rocky wraith
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it is assumed the security doors lead into the same mountain facility

wary portal
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so the alarm from bx is the reason dx is such a fucked up place

rocky wraith
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I don't think so

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both are just overrun

wary portal
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hmmmm

burnt wren
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Frankly I don't understand what keeps triggering sleepers

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Like, there's no sound

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The UI tells us there an alarm, but there's no actual alarms

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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No red flashing lights, no WEE WOO screaming from loudspeakers

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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Not in R6, you didn't

livid grotto
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Holy

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Its CoolBeanz guy

rocky wraith
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Holy

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Its MaitrePatate

livid grotto
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How are you man

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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I feel a weird sense of dejavu...

livid grotto
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Lmao

rocky wraith
wary portal
burnt wren
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Perhaps I can't fucking hear them behind the goddamn music...

wary portal
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we have to understand that these creatures maybe work as a hive mind

burnt wren
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I should try turning it off

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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Super immersion

livid grotto
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The music is great :((

rocky wraith
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music is too good though

wary portal
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maybe the flyers alert them

rocky wraith
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lets you know when all the enemies are gone

burnt wren
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Is it really?

livid grotto
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Yes

burnt wren
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Same drums and some weird techno sound

wary portal
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is kiting and cheesing lore accurate

burnt wren
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Zip zip zip zip

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Drums

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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Zip zip zip zio

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Ah you mean from gameplay standpoint

livid grotto
rocky wraith
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In BX and DX I assume the reason the sleepers awake is because the force shutdown in BX is because there are alarms triggered deeper inside. And in DX it could be teleportation and fliers

rocky wraith
livid grotto
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Hmmm you might be right lol, listenning it again and it’s... something

wary portal
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btw i was curious how many female bodies are merged as mom

burnt wren
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I meant pure aesthetics. Sounds generic. Although the weird tension tracks that plays in C3 and some other places always catches me off guard.

rocky wraith
wary portal
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cause i think two wombs aren't enough for a dozen baby sleepers and how do babies walk so fast since they are so deformed and have barely any limbs lol

livid grotto
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Fast babies

rocky wraith
livid grotto
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Since they just got out of mommy, they are all slippery and wet, which is why they are so fast!

wary portal
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but I think these are two female bodies

rocky wraith
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The sleepers really are bizarre

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I think there may be a good chance that a lot of sleepers do not form from the transformation

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But are instead grown from the respawn cocoon like things

livid grotto
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True

rocky wraith
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Also a good chance that mothers and others are made from the scientists messing about

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Isn't there a mother in one of the fluid tanks?

burnt wren
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Can sleepers be described as lovecraftian or just body horror?

livid grotto
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Body horror

rocky wraith
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this is just body horror

burnt wren
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Kraken is pretty close imho

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We didn't even see the entire thing

rocky wraith
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true

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all those delicious tentacles

burnt wren
livid grotto
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Irl pfp of Artek ^

burnt wren
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^ kraken starring at the cliff camp

rocky wraith
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Like it still has a huge part of its body hidden in D1

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Does it truly float?

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Or do those tentacles reach the ground?

burnt wren
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There's no fucking way

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A mass that big?

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And it's thicc enough to tolerate bullets? No way

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It would have to be one giant ball made 99% of gas

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So either it's space magic or there's something holding it

rocky wraith
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remember the floaters and shooters all fire "energy"

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that homes in

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I don't think it's gas

burnt wren
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Assuming those tentacles are like legs... That would make far more sense

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I swear I had a picture in mind for reference, but not anymore

rocky wraith
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One of the things I worry about, is WHY it has to be that big

burnt wren
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Just imagine a jellyfish walking th earth with the tentacles, that'll be the concept

rocky wraith
burnt wren
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Things usually end up big because there's simply enough resources to support it. Ie species on a constant brink of starvation tend to evolve into smaller bodies to be able to work with what theyre given

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On a fucking desert planet though... The only thing that makes sense is the same shit that happened to Dead Space hive mind. Just ALL the organics fusing into one creature.

analog frigate
solar nova
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They probably have some unknown form of sustenance or they're hyper-efficient when hibernating or hunting.

analog frigate
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and also floating on gas really doesn't make sense

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it's been bugging me since r6 launched

burnt wren
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Sigh

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Let me stab this knife through the world building real quick

analog frigate
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gas doesn't work since it doesn't tilt at all when swinging its tentacles around, and also where would you put it

burnt wren
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stab
There

eternal talon
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If it wasn't flying, think about how long it's tentacles would have to be

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We are on top of a fucking MOUNTAIN!

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Also, was pretty sure we could see the ends of the tentacles in d1 by looking down under the cliff

burnt wren
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Still more understandable than that thing being able to fly. It looks like it weights as much as a big plane...

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They swim through air like its water. Fliers basically move like piranhas.

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Unless they are a radically different form of organics - that should be impossible without space magic shenanigans.

subtle verge
# burnt wren Why do we even even wear gas masks

I can answer this if it hasn't been answered yet: the prisoners aren't wearing gas masks at all, actually. They're wearing standard respirators; the kind that you could find at a hardware store. It's to prevent irritants and tiny rock/dust shards from entering our lungs and shredding them from the inside.

burnt wren
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Ah. Alright.

hot burrow
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Toxic infection we can handle. Some dust can’t risk it

subtle verge
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Generally speaking: proper gas masks, like other high-end PPE (see SCBA gear & n95 masks for example), are fitted to the individual since we all come in different shapes and sizes. In this case, however, we take the military shortcut and just use a generalized size that fits our facial features and use the strap system to pull it tight.

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Irritants can still get in, but the vast majority of it are warded off and it doesn't affect us in the slightest bit.

rocky wraith
subtle verge
rocky wraith
subtle verge
rocky wraith
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yup

south lake
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I remember it being mentioned in one of the logs.

eternal talon
south lake
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Unless the parasite moves the brain somewhere else in the body without severing any connections, considering the enormous, toothy split in the skull that effectively turns it into another esophagus, I'd argue in terms of consciousness that the hosts are dead

eternal talon
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In terms of consciousness most certainly, but the bodies aren't dead

south lake
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Or the numerous protrusions that very likely go into the skull and brain

eternal talon
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So it would be reason to understand that there are likely still some organs or such that are neccessary to keep the host alive, moreso as a meat puppet, than anything still similar to a human

south lake
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Well, a body without a brain to drive it in this case is just a motile sack of flesh. Not exactly "alive" by traditional definition.

eternal talon
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Well that depends on how you classify "alive"

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I would say by traditional definition, yes, the body would still be "alive"

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Cells reproducing, biological functions continuing, esc esc

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The point of a parasite is to hijack and take advantage of a host to suit its needs.

south lake
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Yes, I know.

eternal talon
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As a human they are long "gone", but the body is still active, for its new purpose given to it by the hive

south lake
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I think it's more likely, honestly, that the parasite somehow redirects those subconscious/autonomous functions normally controlled by the brain - IE breathing and such - into itself, and the Parasite itself becomes the new "brain"

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Since for that flesh to remain active - barring extreme mutation excluding the need for such things - it would need oxygenated blood, nutrients, etc.

eternal talon
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Yeah

unique bison
snow yarrow
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btw why the prisoners (expecialy the 4 control by player) still "human" instead mutated into sleeper/ infected with nam-v?

solar nova
snow yarrow
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the hsu?

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hummm I'll note that

unique bison
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it also probably has to do with the incubation period for nam-v it takes time for it to mutate the host and since hsus but the enire body in well stasis the virus would get stasited with it

eternal talon
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There are hints in a log that Hydrostasis could cure NAM-V, but that just might as well could be the scientists in the log not knowing what the fuck they are talking about

solar crane
steel plover
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They are stated as "Infected" in the afterstage HSU status prompt

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And in the intro too

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The mask probably also helps with dangerous dust & contaminants in the Underground

solar crane
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ah i see

eternal talon
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Im fairly certain the "infected" meter in game has nothing to do with NAM-V

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As it only rises in status when in toxic fog, tumors, and using unclean syringes.

south lake
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The "infected" bit only really comes into play with the infection fog, which was surmised to be cyanobacteria-related IIRC

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And that bacteria in one or two logs, from what I remember, was stated to be able to find its way into even full on hazard suits after a time

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Which means you would basically need a hazard suit with a closed-air circulation system to not get infected

eternal talon
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The log about stuff "finding their way in" was about the parasites

rocky wraith
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especially the fog

subtle verge
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Also the cyanobacteria was a theory that Daraxus and myself came up with. IIRC there aren't any logs regarding that.

rocky wraith
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I can't imagine why the infection doesn't pertain to NAM-V

solar nova
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NAM-V or the parasite might produce some kind of airborne poison that we're inhaling instead.

rocky wraith
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But because it's a virus, it is small enough to be suspended in fog on its own

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Like the green fog could easily be fog with high conc of NAM-V

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The syringes were mentioned to have similar debilitating effects as NAM-V

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And the tumours are ripe with NAM-V because they are infected in the first place

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Like it just makes sense

solar nova
# rocky wraith Like it just makes sense

Yeah, but it doesn't super translate to gameplay if we're not converting it to some kind of poison (and the anthrax mechanism works here, too), as it can hurt us pretty quickly, but can be removed just as fast using some kind of fluid to seemingly wash it off.

burnt wren
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Yeah that's indeed akward...

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Maybe if it was called POISONING instead it would make slightly more sense and not confuse us

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Because there's no fucking way you can wash off a virus with some disinfectant package

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And we are 100% already infected so it makes absolutely no sense

rocky wraith
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The disinfection packs could work as temporary reprieves if they contained a mix of anti-virals or as a transfusion system that can lower the viral load. It doesn't fit perfectly gameplay wise. But in the lore side it fits most accurately

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Plus considering that the highest exposure to the infection is topically, it makes sense to wash with a disinfection pack as that would follow the general principles in dealing with such things irl

somber kite
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Has anyone made a lore timeline yet? I’m tempted to try making one myself

harsh saffron
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In a text format or a video?

somber kite
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If I made one it’d be in text format but video format would be fantastic 👀

harsh saffron
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I know of some timelines in text format
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lN3PWji7YjF4WUFZtfw-xAKsJU27H6MenuuNQ163kbA/edit This one by Kenny
https://www.sutori.com/en/story/gtfo-timeline--nvae3E7n3mFVRFR4or4pyXrq This one by Scaler
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0 On the database by Chase/Ray you also have a viewmode for sorting the logs by date.
And I made a video timeline recently for the early parts of the lore that we can date https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wZwIp81xt8

somber kite
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YOO thank you so much!! will be saving these ...

rocky wraith
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Any ideas on what this stuff on the ceiling is?

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hot burrow
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Idk if it has changed but, back in R1 people were calling it a “nest”

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But it could of changed or people just forgot about it

eternal talon
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this is r1

full oar
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It's goop don't question it

eternal talon
past matrix
burnt wren
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Wait

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Did Cfoam used to be white and they changed it to green?

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Or its the lighting that makes it green?

harsh saffron
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I would say it looks pretty yellow, so it looks more like actual construction foam now

strong solstice
full oar
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They changed cfoam just about every rundown

subtle verge
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Used to be white, now it's foam yellow.

frail pollen
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FIND OUT NEXT RUNDOWN WHAT THE COLOUR WILL BE

harsh saffron
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Can we get pink?

dim scroll
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Make it RGB

rocky wraith
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Because if so it could be molten leftover from the October boom

livid grotto
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October boom

rocky wraith
eternal talon
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It's a big flat room

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First room we ever encounter chargers

rocky wraith
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huh, looks like charred flesh

eternal talon
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Afik none of the zones it is found in have any indication of the explosion

eternal talon
rocky wraith
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Hunter worms

eternal talon
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Yeah

eternal talon
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It's the only one I've ever seen posted that actually shows its detail up close

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It's like a big fleshy wall

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But on the ceiling

rocky wraith
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definitely fleshy

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and the pattern of vessels look similar to the sleepers

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Its definitely related to the sleepers somehow

eternal talon
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Well yeah, no way that's natural

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I don't think it's a nest,

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Because that already exists as a ceiling tile

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In the respawn and mother rooms

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And it looks vastly different

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I really wonder what r7 would bring lore wise, if anything major

hot burrow
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There’s going to be a log that talks about pizza day

past matrix
lilac island
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So I played CX and there were a few invisible enemies on the level, does anyone know the origins of them

cobalt mulch
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one theory once was that all enemies in the game are gonna turn invisible once "mature", but nothing conclusive. cool game mechanic most likely. 😄

dim scroll
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dunno where you heard that theory but that's very unlikely

cobalt mulch
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p sure it was a discussion here, ctrl-f fails.. ah well

eternal talon
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when in doubt, @analog frigate

analog frigate
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shadows are extremely weird

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for their origin, they probably are a mutation that appeared when they began maturing or something similar

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for how they work? they don't

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shadows bend light in a physically impossible way and we haven't figured out an explanation yet

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@lilac island

lilac island
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So it's all just theories

analog frigate
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currently yes

eternal talon
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all theories, but interesting nonetheless

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though to be fair, we know quite a lot in fact before the events of the game, it's just during that we are mostly clueless on.

eternal talon
# eternal talon

This is gonna sound stupid, but this 15 second meme is what I spent my entire morning doing. I'm not that good at it :<

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Vlc media player is a nightmare to navigate for overlays and such. I kept getting corrupted output files for seemingly no reason

hot burrow
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Xsp0XfnIY I'm so happy this guy did a vid on them

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eternal talon
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A lot of the comments just reading them now are talking about fungus... which is incredibly wrong

hot burrow
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

eternal talon
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Okay, yeah, only a couple minutes in and this video is incredibly wrong

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We know exactly why santonian decided to dig where they dug

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This is disappointing

topaz flare
hot burrow
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This guy does a lot of these type of vids

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mostly just going over the changes in the monster hes looking at

eternal talon
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Don't bother. It's so very inaccurate it's as if no research into the lore was done at all

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Which is sad, because usually this guy makes fantastic lore videos

solar nova
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It's largely focused on environmental storytelling, so I'd say it's all fair game.

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This is essentially a similar idea to Daraxus's google doc theories about fog and sleepers.

eternal talon
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He says that there was no reason why santonian decided to dig down to where they did. Fundamental things like that

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We know exactly why santonian decided to dig there, they detected a huge mass of eridium

harsh saffron
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He quotes the wiki a few times so I would blame the wiki for some of the "mistakes" PirateSimon

eternal talon
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The Wiki has all the logs too though

solar nova
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They're entirely looking at the environment.

eternal talon
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He says the infection is a fucking fungus

solar nova
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The fungal idea was also not that out there before we got logs confirming NAM-V and there being parasite.

eternal talon
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14:04

solar nova
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I know.

eternal talon
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Yes, but it says that video was made TODAY

solar nova
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They're not using logs, so I don't think it matters that much.

eternal talon
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1 hour ago in fact

solar nova
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Mhm

eternal talon
topaz flare
eternal talon
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It would serve to misinform people watching it

eternal talon
topaz flare
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i didn't know lol i just looked at how the flyers and such work AHAHAAHHAHA

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ONE POINT FOR ME BOYSSSS

eternal talon
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This right here is why it is important, ray

topaz flare
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i thought they are parasites i mean when i play with ppl i always call them parasites

solar nova
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If a 700k sub Youtuber makes a lore video that presents clever theories about GTFO's enemies based on what's visible in the environment, I don't think trying to gatekeep people for not reading through 100+ logs is worthwhile. This seems like a very positive thing for the game, people can be pointed to logs apart from that.

topaz flare
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^^

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i agree with raylot

solar nova
topaz flare
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the good part is this video bring attention to the game

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so we should not dislike it

eternal talon
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If a 700k youtuber says something that is wrong and against confirmed lore, that is a problem

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He doesn't say he is ignoring the logs

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For those watching it it is as if everything is truth

topaz flare
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its not, cause the lore of this game isn't given in a good and mannered way and one mistake on it can throw you off in a bad hole

solar nova
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More than anything, I just like that the video is well-reasoned rather than being crazy bullshit. It's wrong, but it's not baseless, and these are literally things that have been discussed at length in this channel because they're interesting as hell.

topaz flare
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like how matpat said the knight is the pale king in hollow knight just cause some things threw him off to that area

solar nova
topaz flare
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^^

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and his most likely going off only R6 information

hot burrow
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I hope he does more videos about the other sleeper types

solar nova
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Like, just consider if this were released in R1.

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It would easily be one of the best examples of speculative analysis the game could ask for at the time.

merry frost
eternal talon
eternal talon
eternal talon
solar patio
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I think you can both appreciate the influence and a discussion that the video provokes and criticize aspects of it.

eternal talon
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It depends really.

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The influence is great, to get GTFO out there, but when the influence is stating false information, then it is a problem

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I have no problem with the author, I love his other work

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I watch his videos all the time

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This one sadly is just so very very wrong, shockingly so because of how easy it would be to disprove fundamental facts stated in the video

solar nova
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Okay, but you're being really preachy about it.

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Like, don't.

eternal talon
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It's not preachy, it's fact. His statements in the video were wrong, and could/would lead to misinformation because of his large influence

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It is as simple as that

solar nova
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It's not preachy, it's fact.
This sort of attitude, and the condemnation it motivates, is the problem.

eternal talon
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It's true though, you cannot deny that

solar nova
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You could just say "it's a solid analysis, but they're missing a lot of information that they could have included since they haven't read the logs" and leave it there.

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None of the "THIS IS MISINFORMATION, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW INACCURATE THE VIDEO IS, SO MUCH OF THIS IS BLATANTLY FALSE."

eternal talon
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If you were a part of a religion, and the president of your country goes on national TV making verifiable false statements about it, claiming it as such isn't preachy, it's the right thing to do

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Nobody wants misinformation

eternal talon
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I'm being blunt as a sledgehammer

solar nova
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How you present your ideas does actually matter. You are not just criticizing the video, you are condemning it as having committed some great moral wrongdoing.

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Big difference.

eternal talon
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It has not

solar nova
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Then present yourself differently, because the way you've talked about the video up till now is super toxic.

eternal talon
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The videos fundamental facts that it theorizes upon are disproveable. It is a sad truth, but a truth nonetheless that the theory crafting is wasted

solar nova
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Okay, yeah, only a couple minutes in and this video is incredibly wrong
We know exactly why santonian decided to dig where they dug
This is disappointing

Don't bother. It's so very inaccurate it's as if no research into the lore was done at all

Like, wtf?

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Literally telling people not to watch it because it's so bad.

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Chill the fuck out.

eternal talon
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Context being "mostly just going over the changes in the monster he's looking at"

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Don't bother.(looking at the changes stated) it's so very inaccurate(the information provided) its as if no research into the lore(logs) was done at all

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I didn't say not to watch it. I said not to look into it.

solar nova
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I don't believe you're arguing in good faith.

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Please take a step back and consider the atmosphere you contribute to in this channel.

eternal talon
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What are you implying?

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I was very straightforward with my messages

eternal talon
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If mentioning that it's not worth looking into his theory because they sadly aren't true and are missing vital information that would greatly change them makes me the bad guy, then I guess I deserve it.

harsh saffron
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I want to change that to 1 time I recognised a quote 🦆

eternal talon
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But I won't change my stance. Youtube isn't the best platform for GTFO lore because of how fluid it is, and how easily it is for lore videos like this to get things wrong, then give misinformation due to being either made with incorrect information, or being out of date.

harsh saffron
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The complex is an enormous facility with hundreds of laboratories, hallways and rooms all interconnected in a sprawling fashion. Deep beneath the surface, the facility has top side entrances, with A level expeditions typically exploring areas of the facility between 400 to 600 metres deep. The deepest parts of the facility are over a kilometre beneath the surface.
thats the one thing I heard because I read that the day before ^^

eternal talon
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It's so weird he wouldn't have noticed a single log in his research

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They are referenced everywhere

shut mountain
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Hmmm, the thing is is that theories do not need to be 100% factual. It's always good if they are, but in the end to quote google a theory is "a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained." idea is an important concept to grasp here. Also don't forget that the GTFO lore is extremely convoluted. Its one thing to have the lore, but there are a lot of in-game context that he would be missing not just because of his own fault, but the rundown system

eternal talon
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True, that's the main reason all the lore is archived in a dozen places between rundowns

shut mountain
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Most of them you only know about if you are in this channel or server

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the santonian website aint plastered everywhere

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you need to be part of the community to at least knee hight to know its existence

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wikis are wikis, which means you should always view them with heavy source criticism

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and notino is kinda hidden, isnt it

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only people who are around these parts know it

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For us it might be easy to say just check the source but if you try and observe from how someone from a outside perspective could view the game

eternal talon
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Maybe, though it's in the pins and there are several databases

shut mountain
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then you will be able to see that doing that research might not be as easy to do

eternal talon
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Still, doing a video on the lore, you'd think something as fundamental to it as the logs would have been seen

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Even just seeing a mention to even one of them, as it's how 99% of the story in gtfo is conveyed

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As duck said, that's a quote directly from the wiki. The logs are on almost every single page with the rundowns

shut mountain
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Well, that's just a nature of online video platforms is it not. WoodsPraise I think the lad did an okay job with the sources he has used, and I know better where I do know better, but I also cannot expect him to know every single piece of the lore. And again, doing research for GTFO from a outside perspective is probably not as easy to do as you imagine.

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Logs are not on the main page

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at least the category is not

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If you have not played the game, would you know they exist

eternal talon
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With the sources he used, yeah the video was interesting, it's just sad because it could have been so much more

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This guy makes THE BEST lore videos out there

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It's just so sad

shut mountain
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There we go, now that a lot better feedback

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Honestly, what you could do

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is link him the lore pages, the notino link

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let him know about all these links that he probably missed by accident

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Who knows, he might see it and make a 2.0 with now fully aware of all these community ran databases

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with santonian, wiki and notino combined