gtfo-lore

[south lake]

Also, this kind of stuff is what sounds like gatekeeping at first glance. If the developers are the only ones who are allowed to decide context and intent, why the hell do we even have a lore channel?

Deciding context and intent is half the point of investigating the lore. Sometimes it's incorrect, sure, but you can't always be right 100% of the time, so if something doesn't add up, you adjust and try again.

Investigating lore is supposed to be fun. But when you're out here getting all bent out of shape and effectively shouting anyone down that's questioning you in the moment, you're also effectively pissing on that. Yes, debates happen. Sometimes they're heated. Welcome to society. But when you're screaming at people for daring to decide what "only the devs can", it provides nothing of value and just serves to smash people's desire to contribute with their own theories and ideas.

[hot burrow]

Ive been completely lost with all these new theories

Some of them are cool but others

I just don’t understand

[south lake]

And that's fine. A wrong path still narrows down what's left to explore until you find the one moving forward.

[hot burrow]

Ya

[eternal talon]

it is true though. you can't state one thing as fact without reasonable assessment.

we can theorize on it's intent, and i think it's clear we have different view on what it means,

but you can't say for certain that a specific viewpoint is verifiably true without evidence

[south lake]

Completely sidestepping my point.

[eternal talon]

?

the devs are the only ones that know what a log truly means.. how is that not true?

that's a pretty basic statement

[south lake]

Go reread what I just said.

If you need me to be blunt, I can do that.

[eternal talon]

i'm not going to back down. we do not write the game and it's story. the developers do. unless it comes from them directly, NOTHING AT ALL in here is certifiably true.

i may be just as wrong as he is on what the log means

but that does not matter.

[south lake]

Blunt it is then. You say it's not your intent to gatekeep the game lore, correct?

[eternal talon]

if you are going to start picking fights i'm not going to waste my time with you.

[south lake]

I'm asking you an honest question.

But sure, call it picking a fight when I'm calling you out on behavior that sounds like gatekeeping, despite the fact not so long ago you were upset and worried that people might see it as such, and stated it wasn't your intent to do so.

[solar nova]

This being true isn't really what's in question, it's how you're using this fact in argument that's pretty gatekeepy, and unproductive.

[subtle verge]

It's too early for this shit. Let's take it a step back, folks.

Also, good morning and I love you all.

[hot burrow]

Your to early

Also I love you too

[rocky wraith]

:3 I seem to have arrived in time for drama

[subtle verge]

Healthy discussions and back-and-forth are good, but when it gets to the point where we're going at each other's throats over semantics, bad faith arguments, or [insert whatever here] we need to realize that and take a breath. We don't have to like each other, but in this channel it's all love.

[eternal talon]

this is why i left the conversation

[subtle verge]

And I appreciate that, thank you.

[rocky wraith]

Warden stats for R5 out

that's pretty neat

[eternal talon]

same as r2 in terms of completion rate.

[rocky wraith]

8.5% survival rate not bad

R5C1 has some horrific pass rate

2.29%

holy moly

how tough was it?

[eternal talon]

no idea, i didn't play r5.

[hot burrow]

2 big rooms full of giants that respawn

And a S alarm at the very start of the level

[past matrix]

^

i know a lot of new players (well, even myself but I was only doing it in pubs) were having a hard time of it probably because of the stark difference between b tier and c tier

[rocky wraith]

Mental

Yeah I could understand new players feeling like they just got bludgeoned in the back of the head with that

[compact kindle]

So like…how do the sleepers operate, biologically?

The general consensus is that sleepers react to sound, but if that’s the case then why don’t they activate when a prisoner fires their weapons merely one room away? How come the sound of the lock melter don’t set them off? How come the sounds of the hacking tool don’t set them off?

Is it that sleepers don’t actually hear sound, but rather pick up on very specific frequencies of stimulation?
to me it would explain why flashlights set them off

You can tell I haven’t taken one look at the wiki, but I am curious to learn more about how these creatures function as individuals as well as a hivemind

[eternal talon]

Well, in regards to sound,

They (the sleepers on earth) have been underground hibernating for a very extensive period of time

Creatures like bats are also sensitive to sound and light due to their cave/nocturnal nature

Personally I think it's something along those lines

In regards to a hivemind, they don't have one. The source on that I don't have, other than it was said alot in here and I don't remember from who originally

They do have a hive though, that much is visible from scouts and such

[compact kindle]

Right, right, I guess I shouldn’t have used the term “hivemind” then

xP

[eternal talon]

Well I mean it's a question

You should have because it's what you know

No shame in it

You said something you thought to be true.

[compact kindle]

But what’s with the selective hearing? Lock melters and hacking tools do make noise, but sleepers don’t seem to pick up on that unless you fail a hacking cycle of course

[eternal talon]

That, I have no idea

Though it's a bit strange they'd only hear the fail, it could just be a gameplay thing honestly

As to how they don't hear gunshots from rooms away, I don't think that's meant to be canonical, it's just how their AI loads

You can shoot while a door is closing or opening and it won't wake them because their ai isn't loaded

[compact kindle]

Ah

Curse the limitations of game design

[cobalt mulch]

doors opening are kinda loud too, they dont mind

[eternal talon]

You can exploit this same sort of thing in levels like c1, since the sniper's range is longer than the sound it produces

It's just weird gameplay quirks

[cobalt mulch]

along with the melting vanishing bodies

[eternal talon]

That too

[compact kindle]

Well that I can forgive

[eternal talon]

Inb4 r7 corpse physics and having to crawl over the hordes of dead sleepers after an alarm door

[cobalt mulch]

but the blood spatters are cool in r6, 3 bursts hold a chokepoint and guns fire too, after action done, the choke is covered in blood :)

[compact kindle]

Kxkvkxkmsmcx

That is pretty cool yeah

[rocky wraith]

Sleepers crawling on the walls and ceiling :3

[silver vine]

Pretty sure in R1 they start breathing when you open a door. But it really slows down the gameplay

[compact kindle]

yeah but isn’t that the point?

[strong solstice]

no because they all glow at the same time

all of them

even ones on the other side of the room

[strong solstice]

lmao i realize my answer has nothign to do with this statement. I wanted to say slowing down gameplay that way is just annoying

[rocky wraith]

C3 time

some missions you are forced to go fast

[solar nova]

Tbf, free sync, and free information.

[strong solstice]

but the sync is not different from the sync we get now

[solar nova]

Although the extra sensitivity in R1 was really annoying (and I'm not even sure how it works).

[strong solstice]

extra sensitivity?

i remember r1 had shooters that would just belt out a scream whenever they were woken up

[solar nova]

Tells you where every single enemy in the room is, mainly.

[strong solstice]

yeah that's the good part (:

[solar nova]

Very aggressive movement and multi-kill strategies are much less safe in R1, and it's unclear precisely why.

Enemies just randomly wake up to lights, movement, etc. when they wouldn't normally.

[strong solstice]

huhh

[strong solstice]

if anything i remember this happening more for newer rundowns

but that could just be it happening a lot less than r1 and i wasn't knowledgeable enough then to realize (:

[solar nova]

I find it very consistent in newer rundowns, but I'm also much better acquainted with the game's stealth mechanics since R3.

Things were much more mysterious in R1-R2, especially R1.

[strong solstice]

stealth did not feel different when i revisited R1

[solar nova]

R2 was kind of a transitional period.

[strong solstice]

yeah because r3 was pretty short so players started experimenting stuff

[solar nova]

Things got super optimized.

[eternal talon]

It would be nice

To be able to pick one item that you could have forever

Regardless of weapon rotations

[solar nova]

HEL Gun

[strong solstice]

bullpup rifle

[eternal talon]

Arbalist

[manic shuttle]

cringe

[thorny zenith]

Based

[past matrix]

burst cannon

[burnt wren]

I'm a sucker for everything burst and burst cannon sounds like a weapon straight up my valley

[pine agate]

R3 Rifle my beloved

[hot burrow]

Give me anything and I’ll make it work

[celest pagoda]

Any Sentry. Use more gun

[subtle verge]

Let's keep lore chat on topic, please.

[rocky wraith]

lore

-insert crazed new theory here-

There's a confirmed E tier on rundown 7

odds on this one having an E2?

[sonic citrus]

Do you reckon each rundown will have the story levels with more lore in? I hope they don't do that to E1 and water down the difficulty to make the lore more accessible

[rocky wraith]

They won't make it easier for lore

And defo more story levels

[sonic citrus]

I also wonder about the precedent they have set for themselves with the climactic boss battle in this rundown

[rocky wraith]

the lore is awesome af and I can't wait to see the new continuation

[rocky wraith]

There have been boss battles before

[sonic citrus]

Nothing like the Kraken though

[rocky wraith]

true

I hope we either fight more krakens or more types of bosses

It was awesome af

[sonic citrus]

Just fighting another Kraken as the final boss again would be a bit of a let down

[rocky wraith]

true

[harsh saffron]

Kraken error while Schaeffer explains his morning routine 👀

[rocky wraith]

poggers

[sonic citrus]

But also making a new boss each time... is that going to mesh with the lore they planned, and it is also going to take a chunk of development time to make an enemy that is only going to be used very infrequently

The kraken must have taken some work, so I wonder when we will see him next

[harsh saffron]

I just want more Kraken/Floater lore in general. Or something about the construction of Alpha 1-3

[rocky wraith]

Alpha 4 time?

[harsh saffron]

R7 will feature Beta 1-5

[rocky wraith]

woah wait

really?

[sonic citrus]

Not to be confused with the Beta tier missions 😉

[rocky wraith]

I wonder what sets them apart

[harsh saffron]

I'm just joking ^^

[rocky wraith]

xP

Though floater lore will defo have to be expanded

but I can see us not returning to Destination till R8

Considering we have the genome data

[harsh saffron]

Nah, the environment will get used at least once but yeah maybe it actually is Beta X or somthing

The new environment in R8 could be the Fossil, already kinda expected that with R6

[rocky wraith]

Destination was a complete surprise right? like no mention of it in previous rundowns?

[harsh saffron]

Yup

[rocky wraith]

then good chance we have similar surprise again

[harsh saffron]

I saw this and thought: Nice! we go into the fossil!
https://mcusercontent.com/641903374c86bfa00614750d8/images/85030a16-3d9a-5279-55c7-8211decf0690.png

[rocky wraith]

XD

though to be fair that looks cool af

[harsh saffron]

welcome to this random piece of rock in the first mission

[rocky wraith]

Though I wonder what all that tubing is

fracking the ground?

[harsh saffron]

No idea honestly

I can only think of them storing the MWP there before they figured out how to make it less... dangerous

after one of their labs was disintegrated by it

[hot burrow]

Maybe R7 we will finally get the San snatcher

I’m not fixing that

San the snatcher

[harsh saffron]

snatches every san

[livid grotto]

San the snatcher

[hot burrow]

Yes

[rocky wraith]

omg its sans

sans undersnatcher

[livid grotto]

Holy shit it’s CoolBeanz

[rocky wraith]

Holy macaroni it's MaitrePatate

[hot burrow]

Holy shit is that a pipe bomb in my mailbox

[spare holly]

what exactly was the genome data we got in DX?

[finite vine]

like most things, we don't really know. I suspect it has something to do with NAM-V or the native species/ organisms of Destination Alpha (the Kraken & the Flyers).

[spare holly]

mmm righto

[runic cove]

the genome data revealed that nam-v is a bio weaponized form of vagina dentata

[eternal talon]

Nooooooooo

[livid grotto]

you might want to ask @merry frost

he knows a lot about GTFO's lore

[merry frost]

the genome data?

it shows the DN of the virus

i told you about that potato

[livid grotto]

wtf

[pearl grotto]

I want R7 now, NEED ANSWERS!!! If we dont meet schaefer there Ill be so sad about it

[dim scroll]

Spoiler : we won't

[surreal robin]

In Rundown 20 we will

[rocky wraith]

This better not be a deez nuts joke

We don't even know if the virus uses DNA, just as likely it uses RNA

[stray blade]

Snatcher in elevator, scarryyyy 🫣

[dull viper]

Hello havent really played around with lore much but i was just curious if we have a target depth for the mine or wherever the game takes place

[harsh saffron]

The initial planned depth was 1500m (which was reached roughly 2 years after the construction began)

And I don't think we have any logs with plans for deeper drilling so far

[rocky wraith]

there has been logs noting of miners below 2K depth

[harsh saffron]

Oh yeah true, forgot about those

[rocky wraith]

And total expected depth we could potentially reach should be around 3,500 metres if you include the total size of the Egg with the depth that they reach it at

[dull viper]

Thank you. I wasnt sure but i came across the fact that each mission has a little depth number and got curious where we were in terms of things

[rocky wraith]

[ember goblet]

How much logs do you have in total?

[harsh saffron]

~127

[ember goblet]

Including logs through emails and through the Santonian website.

or logs on ingame monitors

[harsh saffron]

I think I left out the ones on monitors

[ember goblet]

I come to 140

[harsh saffron]

I combined some like the R2 ones for exmaple

[ember goblet]

R2 is also only one log for me

[harsh saffron]

But i deleted the doc where I wrote that down, so I can't say why we differ that much rn ^^

I'm gonna count them real quick, give me a second

nvm found the doc again

Did you count logs that have a text and an audio portion as 2 logs maybe?
Because I treated those as one

[ember goblet]

no

[harsh saffron]

hm I probably just forgot the website logs then

[ember goblet]

rundown 6 = 71

[harsh saffron]

True, just counted them again 👍

[ember goblet]

r5 = 43

r3 = 7

[harsh saffron]

Agreed with the 43 in R5 but which is the 7th log in R3?

[ember goblet]

and additionally the auto_gen_status.log + the Biotracker event log on the monitors.

r3 - star-250789.log?

[harsh saffron]

Got that one

[ember goblet]

look at gtfo wiki, there are all 7

[harsh saffron]

Yeah but 2 of those are combined into the one thats listed at the top

Doesnt make it better because then its 5 and not 6 and my list is wrong anyway ^^

[ember goblet]

So gtfo wiki has 137 without the morse code, I additionally have the auto_gen_status.log, the Biotracker event log and a screenshot that came via email from 10 chambers Collective. So 140 logs. ^^

The latter is Schaeffer's admissions process including his police report card.

[harsh saffron]

I'm assuming I just ignored the external stuff when counting for whatever reason (+ I can't count)

Ok yeah just counted them again, I just forgot the website/email logs

[ember goblet]

What exactly are "Go`s"?

are they directly related to "Genesis"?

[rocky wraith]

where are they mentioned?

[ember goblet]

I recommend only using Tau gen until we have fully investigated the issue with Sigma gen. The Pretoria lab is running some tests on our GOs and our remaining Sigmas to isolate the behaviors you mentioned.

[rocky wraith]

I don't think genesis

because they refer to the Tau and Sigmas by full name

so why not genesis? unless it was something else

'general operators' (?)

possibly something that will have more light shined on it later

[solar nova]

Genesis Operatives I'm p sure.

It is a bit weird, though.

[ember goblet]

As far as I can tell, this shortcut "Go`s" is only mentioned once at this point.

[subtle verge]

It's short for Genesis Operatives if you're looking at it contextually.

"...(GOs) Genesis Operatives and our remaining Sigma Operatives..."

[ember goblet]

Are then the Sigma and Tau gen the subsequent generation of Genesis?

[harsh saffron]

Also makes sense since Bishops ID is GO-1395
and they tell him he's a Genesis in his 2nd interview

[ember goblet]

Had already checked whether I had perhaps mistaken and the "O" is not perhaps a "0" (zero). gg

[harsh saffron]

I would assume Genesis is the first Generation. Would have the fitting name.

[rocky wraith]

they are not subsequent I assume, more just perform different roles in the squad

Genesis take leadership roles in squads

Sigma are currently not in as far as I am aware

only Tau, FOs and OOs

That's my take from the ID codes applied to the operatives in squads

[ember goblet]

what is meant by FOS and OOs?

[rocky wraith]

the other two types we are yet to find out about

If genesis type and Tau type are currently a part of squad comp, then the F and O type are the remaining 2 to find out about

though this is under scrutiny considering that one of the Sigma types was self harming and may be one of our own squad(?) unsure though

[ember goblet]

Are they developing multiple generations for a single team of 4 to balance the weaknesses and strengths of the individual?

[rocky wraith]

Like the ultimate squad where everyone has their designated roles

Like how Dauda is the medic, Hackett is good with computers etc

Bishop is team leader(?)

[ember goblet]

jo

[rocky wraith]

Woods is an engineer(?) will have to double check these as it is mentioned somewhere

Woods may be Sigma gen which may prove me entirely wrong

[ember goblet]

Not sure if it necessarily has anything to do with the professions, maybe more with their personalities?

Inevitably, Hackett's instinctive cruelty was unleashed on a peacekeeping mission that could not have gone wrong.

Woods - The brutality of combat transformed him from a spiritual man into a ticking time bomb.

[rocky wraith]

Way to prove may be matching Wood's ID with the one that has the religious symbols (0-2056)

[rocky wraith]

One of shafers logs mentions one of them going to MIT or something

NVM

its literally writen in the summary

Woods is the one with the religous symbols

designated later as F-2056

[ember goblet]

1. Can you send photos of the self-harm you indicated with 0-2056? We need to confirm if the scarring is indiscriminate or definitely religious. Our records show this operative has exhibited similar behavior before, despite multiple resets.

[harsh saffron]

Faulty

[rocky wraith]

GO-1395 is bishop

[rocky wraith]

Very possibly

DAUDA, ABEO T-3701

Dauda is Tau

HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711

So F may stand for faulty

but O is currently unknown

[ember goblet]

Dr.Abeo Dauda T-3701
Isaiah Woods F-2056
Aiden Hackett O-4711
Frank Bishop GO-1395

[rocky wraith]

So Woods used to be 0-2056 but then became F-2056

[ember goblet]

that means woods and hackett were originally from the same generation until they did something to woods and he became "F-generation"?

[rocky wraith]

Could 0 be sigma? and F faulty?

[rocky wraith]

I think so

[ember goblet]

faulty - could be, since they had never gotten rid of his inner side to God

[rocky wraith]

Could have been the repurposing stuff they mentioned

[ember goblet]

When or where mentioned?

[rocky wraith]

About recycling operatives gimme a sec

"those embedded behaviors are going to surface and we should develop a curriculum to deal with them rather than throwing them on the trash heap."

[ember goblet]

which log is it

[rocky wraith]

Psychological encoding

sep 3rd 2050

"Can you send me a list of the operatives you marked as faulty and
sent to recycling? We track both organ and tissue stocks here so
we can trace the history should we need it." - Behavioral anomalies among Sigma gen. June 8th 2052

[ember goblet]

We have several quads where operatives marked as Faulty have assumed a leadership role, making me question our classification criteria.

what does the rise project have to do with all this?

a new generation like the Creature at DX end?

[rocky wraith]

Basically a program which apparently supersedes and replaces the Legion program

I personally think the goal was to grow from scratch clones or people to fight unquestioningly

[ember goblet]

Which are ... faultless?

[rocky wraith]

And when they came across the parasite, they then jumped to using that as a base to create monster-like humans or human-like monsters

[rocky wraith]

kinda

Programs like this are expensive

If you could have your own cheaply produced sleepers that you can mind control perfectly unlike the operatives

then it beats the legion program

Of course this is a bit iffy

And likely wrong

We know that they were experimenting on growing things from embryos into full creatures, potentially like Unit-22

and possibly the mimic

Exact specifics are still unknown to us

[subtle verge]

O is Omicron.

They go by the Greek alphabet.

Admittedly, there isn't an "F" in the Greek alphabet, but if we line it up with our alphabet, it would be Zeta.

[rocky wraith]

Phi

phi is the closest to F in greek

[rocky wraith]

potentially not, given that G is genesis, the convention may not be consistent

Though you are likely right

[ember goblet]

If F stands for Faulty, the Greek alphabet does not matter at this point. Since F should actually be sorted out.

[ember jackal]

If F stands for faulty, it could just distinct faulty ops from the rest, thus discounting their inclusion from the Greek alphabet system

Meaning that there’s an extra degree of separation between them and extra ops

[tall anchor]

i’m personally of this theory too

[ember jackal]

What are the chances the Warden is growing more people to like, repopulate the world or something

[south lake]

Close to nil, I'd wager

What reason does it have to put what few resources it has access to towards repopulating the planet? If it needs maintenance it has a perfectly capable stock of humans in HSUs, and is more than capable of explaining what needs to be done VIA stack orders

If humanity goes extinct, that's a major problem for its long-term "survival", but not an immediate issue due to the aforementioned HSUs

[ember jackal]

That’s assuming that it doesn’t have a goal outside of self-preservation. It doesn’t think like a selfish person does

If someone loaded instructions into the WRDN protocol specifically, it will prioritize both self preservation and the completion or at least furtherment of those instructions

It doesn’t make it the good guy by any means, if it decides that the best way to save the human race is to hybridize them with Sleepers and let them loose on the world so be it, kind of like what happened in SOMA with the WAU

But I agree that having the WRDN’s ultimate goal being the salvation of the human race does not mesh at all with the storytelling tone I’ve seen thus far unless it was twisted far beyond recognition

Kind of a monkey’s paw thing

More likely the WRDN protocol would be to control the things that live in the pit and ensure the safety of KDS’s most important assets, which would be the HSUs, KSOs and any other things it deems worthy down there

Even if they are treated like tools, KSOs are valuable resources, and the methods to create them even more so

I’m so bored I wish someone would tell me I’m wrong and why but I don’t KNOW any of y’all good enough yet to ping u and scream “DEBATE ME BRO”

[south lake]

Sorry man. Too busy to bother.

[ember jackal]

No worries. Y’all have lives

[subtle verge]

Considering that Project RISE is the project that was initiated to procure synthetic humans, I don't necessarily think that WRDN is tasked with the revitalization or preservation of human life in or outside of Garganta. The WRDN views the KSOs and Specimen as nothing more than tools (at least for the time being) and doesn't necessarily care about the well being of them; only that its needs and desires are fulfilled. There's no real proof to this, however: I believe that the WRDN is using the neonates (Specimen 22 for example) as a means to traverse freely throughout the complex, a way for itself to gather intel without the requirements of having the prisoners traverse the complex to activate generators or retrieve specific documents or the need to bypass certain security locks, where it has a very high chance of failure (see Warden's stats for R5 as an example) should the prisoners/KSOs be used.

All that to say: we don't really know the Warden's directive, or why it does what it does, or what its end goals are.

[finite vine]

how do we know that project RISE was a project with the goal of creating synthetic humans?

I thought its purpose was still mainly unknown. idk I probably missed something...

[subtle verge]

I don't think it's necessarily definitive however we got a big hint or a point in the direction from some logs in 6.5. Let me get the references really quickly; will update this post with them.

[https://www.notion.so/RETURN-query-rise-root-tree-int_server-1024_ciph-tier5-all-72d724eb801648ea9e98bef50df64916 ]
33B606C8EB #3021 - “... need to accelerate the growth of the Rise embryos if we are to…” -flagged
AAD223BC80 #1002 - “... can complete the Rise project with your help. Imagine the possibilities if…” - flagged
B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged

It's incredibly vague, but I think it points in that direction.

Considering the description that Schaeffer also provides us in his first audio log regarding our "Mimic" and the in-game appearance of Specimen 22, I think those would support that a fair amount.

[ember jackal]

dangit i lost my wip i was writing out

but yeah i didn't know much about project rise

We don't have a summary of Project Rise, do we?

[eternal talon]

of rise?

we don't really know much at all.

you wanted a full summary of project legion, i could give you that in 30 seconds.

for rise, i couldn't do if it you gave me a month

all we know is that it's supposed to be an alternative to the legion project with biological engineering, it would seem.

[subtle verge]

RISE has been the bane of our research thus far. All mentions of it are incredibly vague or just in passing.

[rocky wraith]

I have an alternative theory where WRDN is both hooked up the KSO's and vice versa, where the returning of the emotional behaviours of the quads under extreme stress is imprinting and creating emergent behaviour in the WRDN, giving it a partial emotional intelligence on top of its bio-logical intelligence. This emotional drive is giving it a desire to escape garganta, but to do that it has to create a body for it to escape in. Using the RISE project and neonatals from R4 it has been growing its own body to escape. Specimen 22 we originally thought was it but there were too many inconsistencies and is more likely a red herring from the previous RISE project attempts.

Still a few holes

The reason that I think this may be possible for the emotional imprinting on the WRDN is because of the few hints that hydrostasis may be causing the memories to potentially being shared across KSO's. Where they are remembering being each other. This meshing of minds is clearly causing a lot of the unwanted side effects however I think Shafer is using it to his advantage to create allies among the KSO's to escape the WRDN

[eternal talon]

My problem is, he is querying data on rise now

After he already did all that stuff with the neonates in 2 and 3

So they can't be related

And if you were to say "the logs are old", well the wrdn hasn't been there before, simply because we go to the extended levels in the first place after d1 to get the data n' stuff

Afik we have rough dates on when every single rundown takes place

Because we talked about this before, but came to no conclusion

^

the other issue is, power to the neonatal unit we use in r3 is guess what.. turned on in r5

every fucking time, so many weird discrepancies

[rocky wraith]

the rise query has no timestamp

[rocky wraith]

fair

[eternal talon]

^ @rocky wraith

Also fluctuating power in cx

Certainly is not a stable place to store data long term

Yet we find it

[finite vine]

wdym "neonatal unit"

like the actual neonate hsu? because we resuscitated that in r3

[finite vine]

the warden does not really need to "visit" a terminal in a rundown to send logs to them. like the expedition does not need to be "unlocked" in a rundown for a log to get there. I would imagine that the warden, if it wanted to store a log on a terminal, it could do it remotely if it had access. and there is really no way of knowing if it had access or not.

also, we don't even know if the rise query was done by the warden or queried during the wardens time.

[eternal talon]

@finite vine
"calculating load…

...

peak_load == 720 MWs

current load = 230MWs

...

init_rise(.g, .t,.f, .o)

updating init_rise() objectives():

asset: generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-07, redirect(neonatal)

wait()"

final asset.

not the hsu, the place where we resuscitate it

which has no power until r5.

apparently

[finite vine]

well it had power because we resuscitated it

the unit had green lights on it and the neonate hsu lit up after feeding it through.

[eternal talon]

we turn on all these generators to get to kds deep in r5.

i'm not saying it makes sense

quite the opposite

like the schaeffer discrepancy.

[finite vine]

which levels did we do this in? I didn't really play r5 that much.

also how do u know if they are the same generators

[eternal talon]

i didn't either, you'd have to ask @past matrix

"I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "

[finite vine]

it seems to me like it would explicitly say "KDS deep" or something like that

[eternal talon]

they did

say explicitly kds deep

b07 is in kds deep

[finite vine]

I dont see kds deep anywhere in here...

[eternal talon]

that IS the neonatal redirect generator

[finite vine]

how?

oh

[eternal talon]

"I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "

i put it in bold for you

this was talked about extensively, if you'd've clicked the chat i linked previously

[finite vine]

cool, yea it seems like b-07 is in kds deep. so these two logs are definitely related.

[eternal talon]

we know the dates of every rundown now also

because of this.

we have the date for r3

[finite vine]

what are the dates

[eternal talon]

so with that, and the wrdn twitter, we have the dates to every rundown to date

i literally just linked the post.. hold on

^

[finite vine]

thanks, im curious to see what u guys found.

[eternal talon]

a discrepancy

just like the schaeffer one

power to neonatal before the generator is turned on

soooo

weird shit

[finite vine]

im pretty sure the "neonatal unit" and the resuscitation machine we used in r3 are not the same thing.

[eternal talon]

this is literally the second discrepancy, in the lore i've found, which isn't alot but it's wierd that it's happened twice

[eternal talon]

it is the neonatal ward

not just the machine

[finite vine]

ok so why does that matter, we have not even used the neonatal ward yet?

[south lake]

How do we know KDS Deep doesn't have its own Neonatal Ward?

[finite vine]

just cold storage in r2 where the baby was found and then the machines in r3

[eternal talon]

because it's being rerouted FROM kds deep

[finite vine]

based on the log, it seems like it does

[eternal talon]

to an outside location

the neonates are a part of project rise

not the legion program,

which KDS deep is designed and built for.

[south lake]

Could be that the WRDN needed additional power for the Neonatal Ward, not necessarily that it didn't have any.

[eternal talon]

also @south lake the neonates aren't a part of Kovac at all, it's dreyfus and SMC

[finite vine]

well we don't really know that. we don't even know if the hsu vaults that the b-07 generator are redirecting to are located within KDS deep. also, what is "unit b7" it might not be the same as "generator b-07" is a "generator" and a "unit" the same thing?

[eternal talon]

the hsu vaults likely are, but that's not the important part of that log.

[eternal talon]

we do know that, since r3 doesn't take place in kds deep.

[finite vine]

what is "unit b7" it might not be the same as "generator b-07" is a "generator" and a "unit" the same thing?

[eternal talon]

that's not really the problem, it's that again, like the schaeffer discrepancy, it's an issue of time

we use the neonatal ward in r3 years before r5 takes place and it gets power

[eternal talon]

dude, i sent you the log in text.

[finite vine]

^thats really the only thing that matters, because we are trying to relate the rise power direct log to the email log about gargantas control systems.

[eternal talon]

"I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system.

the log is talking about the generators

[south lake]

You literally just implied that the Neonatal Ward had no power, but whatever man.

[eternal talon]

yeah, it shouldn't have

that is indeed the problem

[south lake]

So it's both not the problem and is the problem? Make up your mind.

[finite vine]

I still do not see how that is a problem... we haven't even heard of, used, or seen the neonatal ward.

[eternal talon]

then i can't have a reasonable conversation with you.

[south lake]

Shocker.

[finite vine]

lmao. im just trying to understand your thought process dude.

[eternal talon]

if you don't think r3 was taking place in the nonatal ward then there isn't a conversation to be had

[finite vine]

specifically what part of r3?????

like the whole thing?

[eternal talon]

most of it

[finite vine]

lmao what expeditions specifically

because to me, it looked like none of it was taken place inside a neonatal ward.

[eternal talon]

b2, c1 d1

[finite vine]

where are you even getting your definition of this "neonatal ward"

[eternal talon]

the generator log says neonatal

meaning; relating to newborn children (or other mammals):

[finite vine]

all of these places took place in normal environments within the complex... i really dont see how you are relating these expeditions to a "neonatal ward"

[south lake]

The generator log doesn't say where the Neonatal Ward is.

[finite vine]

yea but what is a neonatal ward? is it a place? like a storage facility? we have no documentation at all.

[eternal talon]

it doesn't matter where specifically it is, the fact that it isn't in kds deep is the thing

[eternal talon]

you wouldn't work with babies in a warehouse

we do imprinting and all sorts in various labs of r3

[south lake]

Trying to say we've already been there but you're also saying it doesn't matter where it is? You're making zero sense.

[finite vine]

yea, but who is to say that those places are specifically a neonatal ward?

[eternal talon]

i'm not going to say the same thing repeatedly.

[finite vine]

my point is, we have no idea what this "neonatal ward" is.

[south lake]

The log does not specify a location for the Neonatal Ward that's having power redirected to it. It could be anywhere within the facility. There's no definitive reason to believe that it has anything to do specifically and solely with Rundown 3.

[finite vine]

facts

[south lake]

For all we know there's multiple Neonatal Wards.

There might also not be

We don't know

[finite vine]

we literally don't even know where these "HSU vaults" are...

[finite vine]

also "unit b7" is likely not the same thing as "generator b-07"

[eternal talon]

you are completely wrong if you'd read the log, but okay. lmao

[finite vine]

well I only say that because "generator b-07" is a generator, and is located outside of KDS deep. and "unit b7" seems to be some kind of machine or unit inside of KDS deep. they are not the same.

[eternal talon]

bruh

i'm completely done

[finite vine]

why do you think "unit b7" is the same as "generator b-07"?

[eternal talon]

tell me, what do you think generates power, skyrope?

now don't strain yourself

[south lake]

Patiently waiting for the "because duh-theyre-labeled-the-same" answer

[finite vine]

lmao

[finite vine]

a generator

[eternal talon]

"I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "

[south lake]

Or you can call Sky an idiot, that works too.

[eternal talon]

don't give me that edeon, the only thing you do here is complain whenever i send messages

[finite vine]

this says that power (likely from a conduit or a generator) is being REROUTED to a device, unit B7

[south lake]

That's literally what you just did though?

[eternal talon]

** Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "**

Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "

if b7 WASNT a generator, why would the grid have overloaded from too much power?

this isn't complicated

[south lake]

I'm mostly just curious why you get so bent out of shape whenever people honestly question you, rather than automatically agreeing with you or leaving it alone

[finite vine]

machines can overload themselves.

[finite vine]

yea it happens alot

[eternal talon]

because you guys do nothing but refute every single sentince i say and make me go in circles quoting the same logs, over, and over, and over, and over

and you don't care what the logs say

[finite vine]

like lostty, im just trying to understand your thought process, im not trying to criticize you or anthing like that.

[eternal talon]

you'll find some way to throw it out the window

[south lake]

Asking questions is refuting, TIL

[eternal talon]

occam's razor doesn't exist to you, it's a blender

shove all the logs you dont like into it and pretend they dont exist

logs are fact

they are the ONLY evidence for the most part we get.

for anything at all

[south lake]

Logs also omit a shitload of context, FYI

[finite vine]

the thing is, a lot of these logs can be read and understood a ton of separate ways, so it is up to us to come together and figure out what it is really saying. you could think a log means one specific thing and I understand it as something else.

[south lake]

Context is extremely important when determining what goes where in an investigation

[eternal talon]

it heavily implies in like 4 different places it's about power generation, how is that interpretive?

and in two, it explicitly talks about the power grid

[finite vine]

well, actually it never mentions power generation. it only mentions power redistribution. units can become overloaded with power and crash entire power grids

its what happens when too much power is being drawn from a generator

which is exactly what they are talking about in the log

[eternal talon]

it says, that if power is rerouted to b7, it would overload the system. you can blow a fuse from either too much, or too little power.

however, it is categorized with the rest of the generators in the other log

and nowhere else in GTFO is anything labeled as b7

and afik one of the logs in r5 is explicitly b7 when you query it

though that one i only have a second hand source, i didn't play r5.

[finite vine]

this is a great example of what i was saying. you think a log means one thing, while i read it as another.

[south lake]

You say the logs are fact. We're not disputing that. We're disputing the assumptions and inferences you make using those logs.. You're assuming it's talking about the exact same Neonatal Ward you say is in R3, even though it says nothing of the sort, it doesn't even say where this Neonatal Ward is that's having power redirected to it.

And like I said earlier, there could be multiple Neonatal Wards

we don't know for sure

[eternal talon]

`24x neonatal HS units
12x cases N-33S_endocrine_stimulator
12x cases gambogic amide ampules
4x catalyzer chambers
16x Synthetic NGF protein clusters

Delivery Confirmation:: B-522 Xavier Lightfoot
Note: Goods received by KDS representative #00118-G at Zone 45 Area B checkpoint as per instructions.`

[finite vine]

yea exactly. why the hell would you need to give power to a generator? generators don't require power to operate in laymen's terms, they produce power. so that means "unit b7" is not a generator. that's how I see it.

[finite vine]

ok? I don't really see the relevance.

[eternal talon]

i don't know the why, i know that it says that the request was denied because it would overload it

[eternal talon]

we've only heard of or seen the one place that work is done on neonates

[finite vine]

ok that's the problem. you need to understand the why. you cant just ignore why it would overload the system.

[eternal talon]

and only this one place is referenced

[eternal talon]

some things we can not know the why

we don't know the why on anything the wrdn is up to

[south lake]

The lack of reference to other Neonatal Wards does not guarantee the lack of existence of those wards.

[finite vine]

yea, but that is a very complex problem. an overloaded power grid is not

[eternal talon]

we dont know the how schaeffer's hsu ended up where the wrdn could get it

[south lake]

Or more bluntly, just because we haven't heard of it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Quit assuming.

[finite vine]

another complex problem

[eternal talon]

this is basically the same problem

[finite vine]

what

[eternal talon]

the generator b7 is in r5 that we turn on.. but we use it in r3

[finite vine]

how do you know we turned it on in r5?

[eternal talon]

the log says it is in kds deep

and that is where all r5 is up to get to

[finite vine]

my man. you are looking into this way to deeply. that log is not describing what we did.

anyway if it was, it is a longshot with what the info we have.

[eternal talon]

it's not at all.

it is almost certain

[finite vine]

bro

[eternal talon]

did you think you could convince me otherwise?

i'm more than content with my obersavtions and facts.

there is over a dozen references to the neonatal in r3.

and not a single one to anywhere else

occam's razor is a rule for a reason

we get very little info in gtfo

and it's not worth considering something when evidence points towards otherwise.

this discovery led to us dating every single rundown

[finite vine]

I don't see the relevance. im not debating that we didn't use the neonate in r3?

[finite vine]

oh yea... did u link those dates?

[eternal talon]

yes

twice.

here is a third.

and this info wasn't just me, it was me warden, coolbeanz, duck, and amanes all in the chat.

we were talking about this for a while

[harsh saffron]

I was guessing tho, thats just an assumption

[finite vine]

"calculating load…

...

peak_load == 720 MWs

current load = 230MWs

...

init_rise(.g, .t,.f, .o)

updating init_rise() objectives():

asset: generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-07, redirect(neonatal)

wait()"

^^^^ this log could literally be from anytime... did we redirect generator b-07 to a neonatal unit in r5??? did we input this code in r5?? did we redirect any of the other generators to the hsu vaults in r5?? I don't see the "almost certain" proof that this log is describing what we did in r5

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf here is the full log

[finite vine]

ok thanks that fills in alot of gaps lmao

[eternal talon]

it is the log we have a date on

which matches the warden twitter

[finite vine]

how so?

[eternal talon]

^

so, i had the power in r3, but the debate is that the other log says the generators were in KDS deep

which we don't go to until later

gimme a sec

[rocky wraith]

I thought they were rerouting power to kds deep, not starting a generator in it?

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=a06673d6392e4499a730313998f3c20c @finite vine this stuff is i believe only gathered as an objective by us in either r4 or r5

[eternal talon]

the log says it is redirecting to(neonatal) and the other log says b7 is in kds deep

[rocky wraith]

hmm

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Power-Control-System-Alerts-2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309a1

i don't know who would ever design a power grid where it uses more power than it produces, that just seems like a horrifically bad idea

[finite vine]

it happens all the time

[harsh saffron]

It sounds like stuff we collected in those Rundowns but the names don't really match up. For example we collect Glucagon peptide hormones (GLP-1 Canister) and Omega-sleep-inducing peptides (OSIP Hormone). Could still be another team tho I guess...

[finite vine]

yea the log describes power being rerouted to a unit in KDS deep

[eternal talon]

if it was, then that would just raise the question of why not accessing KDS deep earlier

asset: generator_B-07, redirect(neonatal)
unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep)

how is this a stretch

i don't get it

[rocky wraith]

GLP-1 works like a superpowered short lasting insulin(platypus use it for venom) OSIP I'm not familiar on

You can redirect power without accessing it right(?)

[eternal talon]

this log is 2054

it's different

KDS deep was still accessible then

[rocky wraith]

And these are't the stuff on the list btw

NGF is probably a growth factor, x-gen probably and enzyme mix

[harsh saffron]

I think somebody here once explained that Omega sleep would basically be the science fiction-next step after what we have currently. Honestly too long ago to remember ^^'

[rocky wraith]

Probably genome specific targeting peptides, like antibody specific stuff

[harsh saffron]

this can be further supported by the ficticious chemical "OSIP" or "Omega Sleep-Inducing Peptide", based off of DSIP or Delta Sleep-Inducing Peptide, which is a chemical naturally produced in the brain that seems to put humans in their lowest mental functioning

[rocky wraith]

Yeee, I could understand that but it doesn't make complete sense since we already have HSU. Unless it's a critical component of HSU?

[harsh saffron]

Maybe, or its for something thats not in an HSU

R7E1: Catch a Mother alive by putting it to sleep
new syringe: OSIP-Syringe

[rocky wraith]

I was literally just thinking "What would we need to put to sleep... fuuuuuuuuuuuu"

[harsh saffron]

^^

[eternal talon]

what was r4e1

[harsh saffron]

Put cells into generator ---> escape through big mom and tank at exit

[eternal talon]

what does "motile" mean

[rocky wraith]

moving

[harsh saffron]

Tank error

[rocky wraith]

mobile

[eternal talon]

that clearly says moTile tho

[harsh saffron]

for the first like 5-10 minutes

[rocky wraith]

yes it literally also means mobile

motility and mobility mean the same

[harsh saffron]

(especially of plants, organisms, and very small forms of life) able to move by itself

[rocky wraith]

very tiny contextual difference

[rocky wraith]

^^^^

[harsh saffron]

totally didn't look that up, I knew that

[rocky wraith]

XP, I only know the meaning from writing an essay on cell motility

[eternal talon]

?

are either C2 or D2 generator b7?

[harsh saffron]

D2: Reactor startup; breaks at like the last code; warden tells us to leave asap; 3 tanks spawn and chase you down

[eternal talon]

so d2 never turned on?

[harsh saffron]

Hard to tell there was a lot of text on that one

don't really remember

[past matrix]

yeah it never turned on. We completed the reactor verification and shit but its implied that it had to be shut down again

(startup test 2 of 4 warms up)

TEMPERATURE ANOMALY DETECTED, INTENSIFYING SEQUENCE...
(startup test 3 of 4 warms up)
-WARNING! -- CRITICAL TEMPERATURE REACHED! SEQUENCE CORRUPTED... DOOR TO ZONE 288 UNLOCKED
(Startup test 4 of 4 warms up)
ERROR! -- CRITICAL MALFUNCTION -- SEQUENCE TERMINATED!
STAND BY FOR VERIFICATION CODE
WARNING! -- MASSIVE BIOREADINGS APPROACHING!
(reactor performing high intensity test, this lasts for a few seconds instead of the normal minute or two)
REACTOR TEST SEQUENCE: HIGH INTENSIVE TEST
SECTOR LOST! --- EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY THROUGH ZONE 293!
(security verification)
REACTOR TEST SEQUENCE: SECURITY VERIFICATION!
INPUT THE VERIFICATION CODE!
(reactor completes)
.. DOOR TO ZONE 293 OPENED BY EMERGENCY SEQUENCE. EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY!
PUSH FORWARD TO EXTRACTION POINT!

I wouldn't doubt if the Warden sends another group to do something somewhere to give power to Insight

[past matrix]

tbh I always thought it was talking about the fog that sunk

I remember when extension came out I was thinking it would be like a walking spitter or something

[past matrix]

I can see this being what the other teams did during r4/r5

or maybe there was just an expedition that we did but off-screen

its something that would have most likely happen during r5 but at the same time it just doesn't make sense to have happened during r5

[sharp mortar]

I just had a thought that has some interesting implications in regards to the "whoever designed this security system was a real a-hole" thing: intangible in-world elements, such as the trails and markers for bioscans. Are these visible to anyone in the vicinity via hologram-like technology, or are they made visible to the prisoners via the HUD overlay on their visors?

[finite vine]

I would assume they are only visible to people using the HUD displayed through their masks.

it’s honestly a really smart security system though.

[eternal talon]

It doesn't make sense because the thing is in kds deep which we go to in r5, but it's used for r3. It's weird, if the intended way to interpret "unit b7 = generator_b07" then it would create another issue in the timeline

Though to a much lesser degree than the Schaeffer discrepancy

Which, honestly is still a pretty fucking massive thorn

Can't wait to see how they explain that one, because it can't possibley have nothing to do with the allens

It's just so... weird

[finite vine]

I still think ur interpreting that log incorrectly. Power was redirected to KDS deep, so "unit b7" is likely not a generator, but a unit that uses power.

[eternal talon]

they are both b7 though

[finite vine]

lol true

but why would they say unit instead of generator.

[south lake]

TEMPERATURE ANOMALY DETECTED, INTENSIFYING SEQUENCE...

"The reactor's probably busted, but let's crank that power generation anyway!"

Nice job, WRDN.

[quick grove]

lol

[quick grove]

WRDN gangster until he runs out of prisoners to send down

[harsh saffron]

Yeah true, could be both ^^

[elfin ingot]

Where can I find the hardcore on point lore for this game?

Tried to find some lore about the monsters but all I found was theories

[harsh saffron]

You can check out the pins in this channel for some introductions/summaries but we don't have really any concrete info on the different enemies sadly.

Those are limited to theories for now.

[eternal talon]

Depends on what you mean by "lore about the monsters" they devs never give us ANYTHING concrete practically ever.

The sleepers originate from a parasite and a virus uncovered from the meteor beneath garganta. They form a mutualistic pair. The virus has an incredibly fast infection rate and a 100% death rate in those infected

[elfin ingot]

That's pretty much what I expected thanks

[elfin ingot]

I was looking for this type of lore

[eternal talon]

The parasite once in control of a host uses its genetic data to manipulate it and create the different forms you see in-game; strikers, giants, scouts, esc

[elfin ingot]

Dam ty

[eternal talon]

Read the "for dummies" doccument in the pins of this channel. It's an in-depth summary of most lore currently available

[elfin ingot]

That's exactly what I was looking for but couldn't find it online xd

[elfin ingot]

Ty

[eternal talon]

From 2050~ to 2063

[harsh saffron]

Because we only have: There is a Virus and there is a Parasite and that's it ^^
The rest are theories

[eternal talon]

All the lore we have is drip fed from logs. All of the voice and text logs can be found on the notion.so (also in the pins) or the wiki.

[elfin ingot]

Oh that makes sense

I haven't seen any lore apart from the logs

[eternal talon]

That's really it. They don't like giving us answers directly

We gotta work for it

[elfin ingot]

It'll probably be some resident evil type stuff

[elfin ingot]

Meaning death

[eternal talon]

Meaning exploring every nook and cranny of every single level to extract every ounce of information, valuable or not.

[elfin ingot]

That's the good thing

You've gotta do that yourself instead of having it explained

[eternal talon]

It would be so nice if this game had a straight-forward story, and not a game of where's waldo

[elfin ingot]

Yeh lmao

I was like dam things games dope where's ma lore but there wasn't detailed stuff

Can't blame them

It isn't exactly cod zombies popular

[blissful linden]

I really like obscure story telling. It's so much more interesting to have the player root around and piece things together themselves. Of course sometimes that way of telling a story can kind of fall flat but I feel like it fits GTFO really well.

Really adds to the horror and mystery elements of what is happening.

[burnt wren]

I don't know... Feels like blue balling.

Dark souls is at least a whole game and provides you with necessary puzzle pieces of the bat

Having to wait 6 months for rundown release to read another 20 vague logs consisting of corporate staff talking banter and boring ass automated system reports is... Uh... Subpar, dare I say?

We have exactly 2 interesting stories going in: Shaufer and the Egg.

[past matrix]

It's cool until some of the logs are just straight-up useless lorewise

or when shit is stretched wayyy too much

[burnt wren]

I'm 95% Shaufer will die soon enough, being infected with the virus and all that. Probably will become a mutated boss. Once that done the Egg is all that matters, and what do we do after that? Get to the "ending" and then what? GTFO 2: Destination Boogaloo?

[past matrix]

I remember back in r2 when there was like 6? logs all containing a piece of a single email, or in R3 how there was a log that was a continuation of a previous log but only adding like 3 new words

[burnt wren]

Oof.

Gotta feel like being stretched by the balls

[past matrix]

they'll introduce another project that we've never heard of up to this point and then spend a few more rundowns slightly teasing it

[burnt wren]

The thing that bothers me the most is that there is very little mentioning of sleepers

The only 2 I can remember is Shaufer talking about them in Extended audio logs and one random log talking about having to grind through them to get anywhere.

No initial encounter report, no first engagement report, no autopsy or anything.

As far as most interesting things go - the sleepers are definetely in the top 3 and there just nothing.

[rocky wraith]

Some reactors you turn up the temp to turn the fissile material into slag, creates toxic byproducts that are non-fissile and causes the reactor to shut down without having a runaway reactor, only a ball of molten meltdown

[rocky wraith]

There is a 4 month gap in logs that I think is where we first encounter the sleepers. Between March and August 2053. Because it is in October where Shafer mentions them for the fist time and he seems rather unsurprised about them. September is where the autopsy is mentioned alongside the massive rise in injuries both KSO and miners. Because of the KSO injuries I suspect they were fighting sleepers at that point, but the tight lipped KSO's and miners won't say a word to the MRT, meaning that the very existence of sleepers is classified on a need-to-know basis.

However it is also likely that reports of sleepers are highly suppressed. SMC was still issuing statements that NAM-V is harmless and just an irritant. And when the miners began developing slumped postures and spinal deformations, the companies response was "Don't talk about it!".

It only took 2 months from rumours of the virus to the term "Stoopers" being in circulation. Past that is the 4 month black hole where we are needing more logs and information, and likely when the "sleepers" began appearing

[eternal talon]

We know there was an autopsy, but of course we don't get to read that

[subtle verge]

There is the log in current extension that has the gag order against the medical staff; forget exactly which one.

But the guy complains about being left in the dark, along with the rest of the team.

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#ICU-4M4-N35
(CX)

[eternal talon]

Ah, yes. The autopsy report. Tell your doctors to heal the wounded but don't let them study it

Thonk

[subtle verge]

Thanks, bby.

[eternal talon]

Also why the fuck they call it a "battlefield"

If they are talking about psychosis and stuff relating to nam-v

[harsh saffron]

Wish I didn't lose my voice over the last 4 days being sick, my video would done already
But we get a lore video by Scaler soon, so that's going to be very nice

[eternal talon]

Tbh I don't know what content there would be for a video, given 90% of the lore is speculative,

It'd take one update for the video to be out of date,

And you can't as simply update it as you can a .txt

[harsh saffron]

You can get a pretty good timeline of the events prior to the game events with very minimal speculation. You can't explain everything that way but still better than nothing ^^

[eternal talon]

Well yeah, that's what the for dummies doc is, but still that's only a couple paragraphs

[harsh saffron]

I guess. It's never a bad thing to have multiple ppl explaining things. Some ppl will rather watch a video than reading a document and vice versa.

[eternal talon]

I mean yeah, that's why audiobooks exist

[harsh saffron]

You can also have different levels of depth for these things. You can summarise the events of the game in about 1 minute if you break it down enough. 1 hour videos about the same thing aren't necessarily better/worse.

[eternal talon]

There is no way in fuck itd take an hour to cover all gtfo lore

That's like dragging it out an extra 45 minutes minimum

Talk about ad revenue

[harsh saffron]

Read every log and play every audio log ---> ez 😎

[eternal talon]

Who is scaler anyway? I've literally never seen them in here

[harsh saffron]

Probably the biggest GTFO-only youtuber (that I know of)

[blissful linden]

There are a ton of people who never step on Discord too.

[eternal talon]

Yeah, but those people generally don't dig into the lore anywhere near we do

[blissful linden]

Or who use different handles on social media

[eternal talon]

There are hundreds of error filled posts on YT and reddit

[harsh saffron]

He was in #general earlier today

[eternal talon]

I mean fuck, something like the coordinates, we cracked that cipher in here

That lore is inaccessible to anyone NOT visiting these channels

[harsh saffron]

They could just check the wiki or the data base, Ray and I both put that stuff there later

[eternal talon]

You put the coordinates on the wiki? Under what?

[harsh saffron]

below the log

I know about a large German gtfo fan page that has a ton of Lore and I have only seen the main contributor here a few times. Its still very organised and nice to read etc.
By having access to every log you can figure out a ton of lore just by yourself, it just can take longer than having 10 ppl working on it at the same time.

[eternal talon]

That's just the same feedback loop of confirmation bias though

One person can't solve all this, it's a clusterfuck of oddities and has more holes than Swiss cheese

Think about it, yesterday me and sky spent hours arguing over a single fucking character in a log

[south lake]

You of all people should know that just because someone doesn't talk in a given channel doesn't mean they don't see what's going on.

[eternal talon]

Wdym? I talk in here every day.

[rocky wraith]

That is the exact one I am inferring from yush

[rocky wraith]

Because they are likely fighting sleepers not psychosis

[blissful linden]

Did it talk about the miners who seemed to show signs of pre-transformation (stooping/spinal deformities) showing signs of cognitive decline or anything like that? Where they still up and talking with other people?

[rocky wraith]

I've seen them do a tonne of level analysis on how to complete the missions, beyond that I don't know

[rocky wraith]

We can infer that from other logs yeah

Stoopers

[blissful linden]

Infer what, sorry.

[rocky wraith]

From the psychologist logs

[blissful linden]

No I mean what can we infer

That they werent or were still active/talking

[rocky wraith]

It is implied that beyond the crippled spine, they are still mentally active as they are still seen as possibly returning to work

[blissful linden]

Interesting! I get it now ty

Similar to the T-Virus in that regard. Interesting.

[rocky wraith]

It's something called 'disease burden' where the damage caused by the disease is measured by how much it debilitates the population. Eg. Flu gives someone the sniffles and fever etc, knocks them out of the work force for a few days to a week. While Polio can cripple a child and leave them incapable of being productive. Thus one causes more burden than the other.

It's like how bioweapon viruses don't have to kill to be effective, they just have to cause enough of a burden to the population to cause collapse

[blissful linden]

I'd be very interested to see a medical report on a patient in the midst of transforming. Would be really intriguing to see if they have increased metabolism or suffer from shared delusions or anything like that.

[blissful linden]

Good point. You angling that this is some kind of bioweapon then?

[rocky wraith]

Check log: Subject Analysis

[rocky wraith]

Not at all

[blissful linden]

Gotcha

[rocky wraith]

just giving some info

[rocky wraith]

Also check the psychologist logs as they show a small sample of the mental effects

[blissful linden]

Will do! Even if it has no basis on anything I really like the idea of it being a bioweapon tbh. The idea of these things being hyper advanced white blood cells or anything even remotely related to that is terrifying.

What in the world would the end result or total organism be if that hypothetical were true. shudders Fun to think about.

[rocky wraith]

I think best guess is shown to us in the form of nemesis

[blissful linden]

Right...right...

[rocky wraith]

Lostty and me disagree here, but I think the nemesis is distantly evolved kind of Allen that has changed over the course of 65 million years

[blissful linden]

Imagine if that thing was just a whisker or a transit system for the fliers. Nothing more than a bioorganic tunnel. I have no idea what it was. Havent got that far yet; so I'm sure yall know more. But again just fun to think about it like that.

[rocky wraith]

Yush

given that it spawned many of the fliers from inside it, I think it functions as a carrier

[blissful linden]

Aye that was my thought too. Like a bio organic APC or Aircraft Carrier

Makes me think of John Dies At The End or I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream

[rocky wraith]

xP

[eternal talon]

This is most likely, yeah

[rocky wraith]

Question is whether the fliers grow directly from it and are deployed from it, or are they grown at a separate biomass and symbiotically use the carrier as a carrier?

[eternal talon]

Well that's just the same thing we disagree on

Personally I think the floaters are infected creatures themselves, and the hive is using the kraken to transport the other infected organisms, but they aren't one in the same

[eternal talon]

I haven't heard anything about white blood cells in relation to nam-v, and I'm not sure on the topic of it being a bio weapon that got out of control, though it's possible

[blissful linden]

Oh word. Just was kind of way to contextualize it for my brain I guess. Not literal white blood cells. Just like a super advanced approximation. It would be interesting...

[eternal talon]

Well not really, it depends on what you mean

[blissful linden]

Sorry if this is super basic but what exactly did they do at the Alpha outpost to wake up or...uh...make the Kraken engage them?

[eternal talon]

The parasite is the one that does the majority of the mutation

[eternal talon]

In alpha one we download the basic database package for NAM-V

The kraken just kinda shows up

[blissful linden]

Just a ton of noise?

[eternal talon]

I don't know I don't think so

[blissful linden]

Interesting...

[eternal talon]

Just sorta gameplay. There are no alarms blaring on alpha one

[blissful linden]

Right. From a gameplay point of view it just your icing on the cake - big boss.

If you remove that point of view it's pretty weird though. Like if it wasn't just for gameplay. It would seem that it was alerted somehow?

[eternal talon]

Well, to be totally fair, catwalks are fallen and busted and the place is a disaster,

It's likely that it probably was just hanging out over there, and had attacked the place before

[blissful linden]

Gotcha

Just a wide open and big enough area for it to reside in comfortably

[eternal talon]

But I mean I can't really tell you for certain

I suppose, though through the boss fight it just sorta straifes back and forth along the cliff

[blissful linden]

Certainly an interesting creature addition to all of the roster. Brings up a lot of questions for me.

My thought process is that one of the two organizations must have done something pretty big time there to draw it's attention. But that's obviously just my speculation. Just wondering if they were messing with the Wave Matter Projector or artifacts...something along those lines.

[eternal talon]

Team insight were experimenting on the artifacts of the Hammerstein collection for years

[blissful linden]

Gotcha. So it had to be something new then; by that logic

[eternal talon]

That depends on when alpha one was built

Not enough info

[blissful linden]

Sorry again if this is basic or poorly thought out. But what is the significance of Rundown Tiers? Several Cs are lower than the first D so it's not a depth thing. Is it thematic in what the crew is trying to accomplish along that tier?

I'm wondering in relation to what an E tier means I suppose.

[hot burrow]

Their just harder levels

[eternal talon]

Afik it's a 4th wall kind of thing

[blissful linden]

Gotcha

[eternal talon]

It's both not lore related and it's the difficulty the warden assigned certain expeditions

Nothing special

as far as I am aware though, the order of them is canonical

A1 -> b1 -> c1 -> d1 esc esc

Completing each teir fully before the next one

In order of when what happens

[blissful linden]

Oh really? So then it'd be B2-C2-D2? And C3-D3? etc

[eternal talon]

In 6.5,

The order of the rundown is:

A1
B1
b2
C1
c2
c3
D1
d2
d3 (d4 is not cannon)
Bx
cx
dx

[blissful linden]

Ah. Okay.

D4 not being cannon is why the name is what it is then. I was wondering about that. Had to look it up, haha. Really want to play it now 👀

[eternal talon]

The hardest part of d4 imo is the start.

Fuck that error surge alarm

[rich blaze]

Where is D4 stated as non canon?

Cause people say D0c apparently said it but I can't find that famed message anywhere

[solar nova]

I can confirm it exists, not sure where it was posted.

He essentially told us not to read into it that much, and that it didn't have significant lore implications.

[rich blaze]

That doesn't mean it's not canon then.

"Don't read into it too much" is different from "D4 never canonically happened"

[solar nova]

Yeah, that's fair.

It's either non-canonical, an isolated phenomenon, or we should interpret it in light of other information rather than the other way around.

[subtle verge]

Doc deleted the message because he was tired of the constant pings when someone would quote it.

His explanation can be summarized as: the teleportation with the data cubes is not canon, as they were testing out new changes they had made with dimensional gameplay. Logs are still canon.

There's no lore implications outside of the logs.

[burnt wren]

Excuse me

What do you mean teleportstion is not that canon

[harsh saffron]

In D4, not in general

[burnt wren]

Oh, only d4

What about C1?

[rocky wraith]

canon

[harsh saffron]

You can just explain it with the name of the expedition and everything is fine.

Aka the chars think thats what happening.

[burnt wren]

Ah, so a literal nightmare

[subtle verge]

Yeah, sorry, should have clarified that -- D4's teleportation mechanics aren't canon.

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, its in the name of D4

[burnt wren]

What does crypto amnesia even means

Or whatever it was

[subtle verge]

Cryptoamnesia is a memory bias. It's when someone experiences a forgotten memory but doesn't recognize the memory at all, so they think it's something new and/or original.

So a joke, a song, a thought, a name, etc. The person in question isn't trying to intentionally, say, plagiarize something because they think it's an original idea, while in reality it's something that they may have heard or experienced as a child.

[blissful linden]

Pretty odd phenomenon tbh. So does it mean that they're experiencing that in the HSU? Memories coming back or something?

[subtle verge]

Yes and no. There is a log that depicts KSOs sharing memories that aren't their own, and there have been scenarios where a KSO has regained small portions of their memory over a period of time that they remain outside of the HSUs; see Schaeffer as an example, despite him not being a KSO.

[cobalt mulch]

"you are a legion of..." ..

[subtle verge]

Schaeffer lost his memory after tossing himself into an HSU, however he has regained quite a bit over the course of time he's stayed out of the HSU, though this process has definitely affected his psyche (on top of being infected with NAM-V, allegedly).

[blissful linden]

I just finished BX and heard that log. Felt bad for the dude.

[past matrix]

they're difficulty based and location-based

for example in r1-r3 its a depth thing (and subsequently, a difficulty thing)

r4-r6 its just a difficulty thing

[hardy scaffold]

[harsh saffron]

Yo, that's him!

[cobalt mulch]

next up: lostty discovers youtube " :D "

[hardy scaffold]

To answer that question from earlier, I do in fact delve into the lore quite a bit. I haven't made a lore video in a while, but I did just recently update my GTFO timeline. If you're interested, you can find every email log and audio log in chronological order here: https://www.sutori.com/en/story/gtfo-timeline--nvae3E7n3mFVRFR4or4pyXrq

[eternal talon]

That's the same thing as the notion.so though

[eternal talon]

"There are hundreds of error filled posts on YT and reddit"
-Today at 11:32AM

[cobalt mulch]

pls notice the big jk smiley behind :)

[harsh saffron]

Not really.

[eternal talon]

It's literally the exact same thing. Just different formatting

[harsh saffron]

I guess we don't need anything except the Santonian website then, its all the same in different formats

[eternal talon]

Santonian website isn't in order, doesn't include info on staff, the notion.so does everything

So, no. The santonian website is lacking information that that notion has, that's the difference there

[harsh saffron]

The information is there tho. Its not like we made that info up.

[eternal talon]

That's not what I said

[harsh saffron]

Thats the point, formatting makes stuff accessible

[eternal talon]

It's there but you have to dig for it.

This sutori page does the exact same thing as the notion, albeit worse since it can't be easily searched through

[harsh saffron]

"The santonian website is lacking information that that notion has" isn't that exactly what you said?

[eternal talon]

"It's not like we made that info up"

Isn't that exactly what you said?

[harsh saffron]

You made it sound like the database somehow created that info.

[eternal talon]

No. The notion has everything neatly sorted and easy to sift through without spending months cataloging names every time you want to look something up

All the logs are stored together, you can search by rundown, person, it is extremely versatile

[harsh saffron]

Yeah if thats what you want to do, then the database is really good. If you just want the timeline, then I would say Scalers version is better.

[eternal talon]

How? It's a timeline. All it is is logs in order, that isn't hard

it fits less information on one screen, gives less detail when skimming, and you'd need to zoom in on each and every picture to actually even read them

[harsh saffron]

-It has the years clearly visible in the middle -better for knowing where you are (pretty important for a timeline)
-You can jump to specific years with the side menu

[harsh saffron]

You need to click on the logs to read them on the database too ^^

[eternal talon]

i don't need to zoom into them once i click on them

[eternal talon]

you don't need to jump to specific years on notion, they are all listed compactly together

you can see full lists of like 3-4 years at once

[eternal talon]

this also has years in the middle, or you can use the standard view and have them to one side. options.

[harsh saffron]

Is that positive? For finding specific dates?

[eternal talon]

yeah, i posted comparison pictures above

[harsh saffron]

I can see that, i asked if you think its better for finding specific dates

[eternal talon]

absolutely. you can search function dates through inspect element, or just read through them. with a top-down timeline like he has setup, you have to scroll allll the way up or down when going between specific logs

the notion has all of the relevant data on one line per log, no digging needed

[harsh saffron]

If you read through a timeline; why would you want to "jump between logs"?

[eternal talon]

it is EXTREMELY helpful

[eternal talon]

if you are reading through a timeline for the first time, a list would be better as scaler has, but that takes much too long if you are ever going to use it more than once

but at that point, a summary would suffice if you only plan to use it once

[harsh saffron]

Ok, so assuming the case that somebody just wants to get a rough feeling for the timeline so they aren't lost

• they want to read the logs themselves instead of a summary
• they don't intend to research the lore every day
• they don't want to learn about every persons personal backstory
  In that case, would you agree that Scalers timeline is better?

[eternal talon]

"they don't intend to research the lore every day"
"they don't want to learn about every persons personal backstory"
to i detect a hint of sacasm?

[harsh saffron]

Yes, for fun purposes ^^
the question is still serious tho.

[eternal talon]

i'd still say it's a 50/50 depending on their preferences.

[harsh saffron]

Ok, then I would argue that they are not the same, because there are differences that ppl can choose between.

[eternal talon]

i agree. they aren't the same, one is objectively better in almost every way.

[harsh saffron]

Thats not how "objectively" works but at least you agreed that they aren't the same, thanks.👍

[eternal talon]

in almost every category they are objectively better. -wording.

[harsh saffron]

In this scenario we have
-one side only having 1 "category" - the timeline
-and one side having multiple "categories" including a timeline
We can only compare them in the only thing they both contain; the timeline. And that isn't just objectively better for one of them, otherwise we wouldn't debate about which one we like more "subjectively".

[eternal talon]

i think it's worth it to the conversation that the notion has all that other stuff built around its timeline.

[harsh saffron]

Yeah it has different formats, that are not the timeline, attached to it, does that influence the quality of the timeline?

[eternal talon]

i would say yes.

[harsh saffron]

And I would say no ^^

[quick grove]

And i would say whatever

[sonic citrus]

Neat timeline Scaler, thanks for taking the time to put that together :)

[agile plinth]

scaler appeared?

[knotty hollow]

Where's this notion.so GTFO database?

[harsh saffron]

6th pinned message

#gtfo-lore message

[knotty hollow]

I often forget you can pin messages, thankyou.

[harsh saffron]

I could have just linked the actual thing instead, damn I'm smart

[rich blaze]

Happens to the best, Mr.Duck

[harsh saffron]

Thx

[subtle verge]

He popped in for a few moments yesterday. :)

[analog frigate]

that's neat

haven't seen him in a long time

[hardy scaffold]

been super busy haha, hard to be everywhere at once 😅

[agile plinth]

well these days basically everyone is busy

you really just never have enough time

[rocky wraith]

I FIGURED OUT WHAT THE pMOTHER SAMPLES ARE!!!!

well partially

I was going through my notes for a transfection assay I had done a few months back and I came across something that I recognised. The plasmids we use in the transfection start with a small 'p' followed by the designation in all caps letters and numbers.

Plasmid nomenclature uses the small p followed by caps

pMOTHER samples are DNA plasmids

[subtle verge]

Do you want this to be exchanged with what is currently pinned?

[harsh saffron]

Thats pretty neat 👍

[subtle verge]

That is super dope. Good stuff!

[rocky wraith]

I'm hyped af

Looking back through the updated mission summaries to see if the pMOTHER samples are used again

[pine agate]

Sure

[subtle verge]

Aye, cap'n.

[rocky wraith]

I swear I have looked through 10 different playthroughs of R3D1 to figure out what happens to the neonate in the nFrame and literally every single youtuber makes it their goal in life to look away and not see what is going on

[harsh saffron]

It gets poked by a massive needle from above

[rocky wraith]

yeee, am trying to work out if the pMOTHER samples are ever used again. As far as I can tell they haven't

And the very cool thing we can assume from the pMOTHER samples since they are plasmids. Is that they can be used for transfection!!!!

[harsh saffron]

I think we were carrying a cargo in R4D2 overload but I'm not sure if that has the same label on it

[rocky wraith]

oooo

[harsh saffron]

And I don't remember what we carry in R6C2 secondary. If that's the cargo or the R5 Kovac box

[rocky wraith]

from what I can conclude from having the plasmids. I think we can speculate that there are more than a few types of sleeper/human hybrids

Specimen 22, possibly the neonate, the mimic

AND/OR whatever the pMOTHER samples are used to make

I was expecting the plasmid samples to be transfected into the neonate, but I can't find any evidence of that

[topaz flare]

@pine agate nice summery you get a slow clap 👏 👏 👏

[subtle verge]

Do you suppose it's possible that what we see in the test tubes in B1 (I think? The malformed sleepers floating in the test tubes) could be a direct result of this?

Researchers studying the pMOTHER samples and trying to reproduce or figure out how it works?

[rocky wraith]

Very likely

The way basic molecular biology and gene studying happens is to introduce mutations and see what goes wrong

so all the malformed and 'wrong' sleepers in tubes

are ones that have been engineered to have mutations in genes.

the arrising phenotype helps determine what the gene is for and how it works

So all those malformed sleepers could have been helping in producing these plasmids that contain DNA that the scientists can modulate however they want

The great thing about plasmids are that they are very easy to manipulate (you can practically design them now and send an order for it)

Essentially this is what all that genome data is for

The pMOTHER samples could also be the DNA that we have been genome sequencing in R6

By shotgun sequencing approach

[south lake]

Inb4 Kovac was trying to use Sleepers as a bioweapon

Or Dreyfus, rather

[rocky wraith]

TY for this, it is a big help!

[pine agate]

I only worked on the R5 Extension level descriptions and the whole change of format from note to PDF. So Warden and the rest of the peeps who worked on it deserve most of the credit

[eternal talon]

The genome data was on destination though

[rocky wraith]

Which is a point of weirdness

[eternal talon]

In a decrepit mountaintop outpost, and down in a fucking mineshaft

Which.. is more than a little weird for sensitive bio data

[rocky wraith]

Could be they were studying the flier genome

or the carrier

likely murderlysed by the carrier lol

[eternal talon]

You mentioned this before though, they'd need a sterile work environment for that

[rocky wraith]

Easily achieved with a bit of ethanol

it's surprisingly easy to genome sequence anything you come across. The difficulty is in figuring out what it all codes for

[eternal talon]

Chief, I don't think rubbing alchohol is going to fix your issues when you are working in a freaking mine

The dust in the air alone would cause problems

[rocky wraith]

Which is why you generally have a fire going nearby to burn up and keep air particulates away from the setup

trust me, its easier than you would imagine

[eternal talon]

Certainly not ideal

[rocky wraith]

The closer to ideal is having stronger computers, not cleaner environment

The terminals in Destination would have a hell of a time processing the data, probably why it took them so long

[eternal talon]

Dx has 3 computers, and they aren't even on the same network, as we have to hack into each one individually

[rocky wraith]

Massive compartmentalisation, often for security reasons, peak paranoia

[eternal talon]

I dunno who'd be trying to steal their data 3,000 light years away from earth

[rocky wraith]

could be that each one contained a different section of contiguous DNA

[rocky wraith]

Considering the effects of NAM-V

I wouldn't be surprised if the different departments were hyper paranoid of each other

even in the real world, in academics a lot of scientists are pretty paranoid about getting their data stolen

Although the specific reason of why the genome data is there is beyond me

We are still missing a lot

[past matrix]

it should be the same

I don't think there's any time where they've changed an objectives textures or anything, even if it makes sense to be different

[past matrix]

nothing really happens; just a needle goes into a little hole on the artificial womb

something I haven't seen brought up in a very long time is how after the neonate is secured into the nFrame, a birther will spawn in and the alarm will stop

i dont know if it would have any relevance to the whole "pMother" thing but it is weird imo

[rocky wraith]

And the neonate is left there as far as we know?