gtfo-lore

[blissful linden]

Oh wow they do variants of mini bosses? Thats amazing

[rocky wraith]

I don't remember D1 having an error alarm?

[blissful linden]

C1

I'm on C1

[rocky wraith]

oh, the C1 error alarm is fine, just remember to close and mine the doors behind you

[blissful linden]

Yeah I was just panicking D:

Didnt expect it at all

[celest pagoda]

R3 first had the giant mother after securing the neonate to the nframe. All following rundown, except 6, had atleast one iirc.

[rocky wraith]

understandable x3 I did the same first time around

[blissful linden]

Sprinted to the door and found out I needed a keycard and I was bingo on ammo from lots of mistakes so I just packed it in.

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith allens

[rocky wraith]

ALLENS!!!!!!!!!!!

gtg dinner time

[blissful linden]

Buen provecho 🙂

[eternal talon]

but nah, like we literally left the wmp in the machine and left without it

[past matrix]

i mean

it also says it cant shut down the portal lmaoo

tbh I thought the wmp staying there was just because we didn't need it

[eternal talon]

it's fair to say that if you tear the device out of it, it'll stop working

[past matrix]

I completely forgot about its existence

[eternal talon]

the machine does nothing without the mwp

[blissful linden]

I cant help but think of Dead Space and the Unitoligists. How they perceive the necromorphs as a new human evolution. Makes me think someone involved in the company in game is secretly gunning for the hostiles.

Open up doors for them. Find out more about them. Give them energy sources. Sketchy.

[eternal talon]

they don't really want energy sources,

they are kind of a primitive indiscriminate killer

they just kill and sleep

[blissful linden]

Perhaps. You would think that about the alien from The Thing too at first glance

[eternal talon]

they don't disguise themselves

[blissful linden]

But it's actually smarter than, or at least as smart, as a human. I wouldnt put it past these things. No need to though.

They've wiped out everyone

[eternal talon]

it's nowhere near as smart as a human

[blissful linden]

I agree. It seems like that

[eternal talon]

they are very basic creatures

if very deadly

[blissful linden]

But I wouldnt put it past something being that smart

[eternal talon]

like a lion

[blissful linden]

Somethign down deep

[eternal talon]

a lion isn't smarter than a person, but it'll tear you to shreds

[eternal talon]

there is no hive mind

it's just a simple hive

[blissful linden]

Doesnt have to be. There can be one exceptional creature

To call the shots or order things around

Or a group

[eternal talon]

deep down you may find infected allens, but nothing resembling a hive mind or some superintelligent creature

[subtle verge]

I still subscribe to pheromonal response, personally.

[blissful linden]

I think the creatures we encounter are just basic bitch guards

Like white blood cells

Why make them smart when being deadly and durable can get the job done

[eternal talon]

it wouldn't have the brainpower to proccess that decision

the way the parasites work is entirely dependant on the genetic makeup of the individual it is converting

tanks and mothers aren't rare because they are more important, they are more rare because their genetic makeup is rarer.

to create such a form

that's why in expeditions like d3 you'll just see random tanks chilling with strikers and giants

it isn't the flood from halo, if that is the impression you are getting

@subtle verge didn't someone say somewhere that they are dried out and have no blood and stuff?

[blissful linden]

No not really. Although I dont know much about them besides being controlled by the Gravemind. My thought process is they are aliens that made a woopsie and got buried.

And we finally let them free

Very similar to The Thing

[eternal talon]

they aren't intelligent

[rich blaze]

Flyers seem to be

[eternal talon]

the allens lost because they are dangerous, yes, but they aren't smart.

[rich blaze]

normal are

eh

[eternal talon]

no more than an instinctual pack based predator

[blissful linden]

Oh see I think they ARE the aliens. That is my thought.

[eternal talon]

?

[blissful linden]

They are just lil guys that bioform life on the planet. The aliens are the parasites

[eternal talon]

there are a lot of life forms from destination,

can you clarify

which aliens?

if you mean the allens, then no absolutely not. they were infected and their civilization was destroyed

insight finds a life form in the meteor and the creature described in the teal log isn't an infected variant we've seen before, or anything we have seen before for that matter

[blissful linden]

Oh the meteorite was actually their ship crash landing because of NAM-V take-over?

[eternal talon]

theoretically, yes.

[blissful linden]

Hot damn.

[eternal talon]

though that is heavy speculation

[blissful linden]

Very intriguing. Lots of possibilities for sure.

[past matrix]

did we ever learn what the Demon Tick was

[eternal talon]

you mean the flea demons?

from the mayans?

[past matrix]

yeah I think

from the mayans

was that supposed to be nam-v or

[eternal talon]

we really only have these two logs

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=dc3413b0d1b145b2bfe84819bb2d75fb
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2207e965c69a49d9b91b97ae18ba2b2e

also https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=b6425c959cc8434bafa3a828643e3f99

it looks like it, yes.

[subtle verge]

It was another discussion of mechanical gameplay versus lore. We know that lore-wise, it's a gore fest. But mechanically, the sleepers dissolve to preserve hardware resources.

[eternal talon]

nonono

i thought it was said somewhere in lore like that sleepers dont bleed

[subtle verge]

Oh, I don't think that was ever mentioned. We did have a conversation that asked the question: "are they carbon-based creatures?" (this tied into the 'do they bleed?' conversation.) But, ultimately, we discovered they were transformed humans.

Admittedly, my memory is a bit foggy on that conversation, this was months ago.

[eternal talon]

hmmm

https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=72d724eb801648ea9e98bef50df64916
https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=a06673d6392e4499a730313998f3c20c

WRDN didn't even know what rise was until recently

[rocky wraith]

And seems to be gathering information about it and possibly hijacking the work to further its own goals

[eternal talon]

yes, but this log is in CX,

and the log of it searching for the items is in DX

it's also setting objectives
`updating conduit_gather() objectives:

asset: cerebrospinal_fluid, collect()

asset: X-gen_compound_catalyst, collect()

asset: N-33S_hormone_accelerant, collect()

asset: NGF_protein, collect()

asset: Nyxos_HSU_NN3_unit, collect()

wait() `

why is it setting objectives to gather stuff for project rise in dx

if s22 is connected to rise and is already around?

[rocky wraith]

Well, from the stuff there, it looks like it wants to grow something

And no date on that right?

[eternal talon]

maybe, but that's not my point

no, there are no dates on these two logs

[rocky wraith]

I think this was for several rundowns back

when we were gathering the neonate

and the proteins and growth hormones

[eternal talon]

this access code is the same
ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
does this show up in any other logs?

[harsh saffron]

yeah thats the access key wrdn uses some different times

in the injection log for example

or the one with the encrypted coordinates

[rocky wraith]

and the one it uses to try reroute the power from Piros

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf its the same as in this log

[rocky wraith]

mmm endocrine stimulators

delicious

[eternal talon]

the objective is also the same

[rocky wraith]

diverting power to growing something

Possibly the neonate

[eternal talon]

it says what to

it says to HSU vaults

`updating init_rise() objectives():

asset: generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-07, redirect(neonatal)

wait() `

[rocky wraith]

Possibly where it's growing the neonate

[eternal talon]

that's not what an hsu vault is

it's storage

like in kds deep

[rocky wraith]

the bottom one

[eternal talon]

yes, the bottom isn't a vault

do generator names change?

[rocky wraith]

generator B-07

[eternal talon]

when you load into levels?

[rocky wraith]

important generator

[eternal talon]

if you query them

@harsh saffron

[blissful linden]

The idea of Warden gestating something is terrifying.

[rocky wraith]

The general theories was that the mimic was what the warden was growing, and that it was a part of itself it was trying to escape. But its foggy and uncertain

[eternal talon]

i don't believe that.

[harsh saffron]

Honestly never tried

[eternal talon]

can we get somebody on this?

[past matrix]

generator names should change when you query them

i can check rn

[eternal talon]

we might be able to find out what rundown this takes place

and thus what the date is for when

[harsh saffron]

But its the same generators as KDS Deep, so I would assume its that

[rocky wraith]

yup

[eternal talon]

well we need the generator ids

i know you can query them

we just need somebody to go look

[rocky wraith]

one of the generators is referred to in the logs as belonging to KDS deep

[eternal talon]

problem is then, if it's kds deep then it can't be the neonate

since that was r2-3

[harsh saffron]

there can be more than 1 neonate and there are more

[rocky wraith]

"I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "

[harsh saffron]

so that might not be too much of an issue

[eternal talon]

that's a problem then.

@rocky wraith log?

[rocky wraith]

Power control system alerts April 5th 2054

[eternal talon]

Yes, we see multiple in fact. But this is to neonatal. The ward where we resuscitate it in r3.

We can't bring it back if the power isn't turned on until r5.

[rocky wraith]

"***calculating load…

...

peak_load == 720 MWs

current load = 230MWs

...

init_rise(*.g, *.t, *.f, *.o)

updating init_rise() objectives():

asset: generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-07, redirect(neonatal)

wait() ***"

here again mentioned it needs like another 490 MWs of power

[past matrix]

generator IDs arent in r6

when you query them it just shows the generator name, unless that's what you're talking about

[eternal talon]

Isn't the name the id?

Or do they not do that anymore?

But regardless, that's kind of a mute point now in searching.

This is a problem

[blissful linden]

Moot. Just fyi.

[eternal talon]

How the fuck these things in KDS deep keep happening ages before wrdn can get there

Spooky

[past matrix]

the date is 06/17/2063

its implied r3 took place June 11th based on the warden twitter, and since r3 was relatively short I don't see why it wouldnt take more than 6 days to actually complete

[eternal talon]

well fantastic, we got the date of at least one rundown

5 to go

[rocky wraith]

hey, its progress

[harsh saffron]

I just kinda "made up" an explanation for that actually, we get sent there in R5E1 to specifically wake up all KSOs. But maybe the Warden already had at least some kind of access to it (or any other part of it, we really only get to KDS Deep ** 1** specifically). Its never specifically mentioned that the Warden couldn't do anything with KDS Deep, we turn on most power for the Influx Protocol, maybe it could run other protocols just fine. It's a stretch to be sure, but at least it would fill some holes we have rn.

[past matrix]

tbh if it does actually take place june 11th which since the Warden doesn't give the actual year in the tweets + we know the twitter is canon (only thing that wouldnt be canon is the millions of prisoners id assume) then we have a date for every rundown, just not the year itself. If the log is in 2063 then we know that gtfo started 2062 and it's now 2065. Don't know if that would contradict anything though

[eternal talon]

in regards to the schaeffer discrepancy, it's in the main room the the terminal, so that hole is still open, and still, we never go to kds deep in r3 to turn the power on.

[harsh saffron]

Yeah but I would assume KDS Deep is way larger than just 1 single room with 1 terminal. Especially since we are in KDS Deep 1 and we have no idea how many other sections there are.

[eternal talon]

there is only one kds deep

logs verify that.

same reason why Apollo started at 1 and not just Apollo. they just never built another one

for the moon missions

[rich blaze]

Also

WRDN is here in 2054

[eternal talon]

how did you get to that conclusion?

[rich blaze]

when you look at the power log from 2054 there's a WRDN.override

[harsh saffron]

ok but even if its just kds deep 1 for whatever reason, I still doubt they give KDS a whole section and make a big deal out of it and then its just 1 singular room, that doesnt make sense I would say

[eternal talon]

it's not, that's the vault. kds deep is that entire expedition

a bank isn't just the vault, it's the lobby, offices, and everything else along with it.

[past matrix]

im confused, there were several apollo missions lol

[eternal talon]

yes.

it started at apollo 1

not apollo

is what i was saying

[past matrix]

ah ok i thought you were saying they never built another apollo my bad

[eternal talon]

AS-204, Apollo 1

[harsh saffron]

I can totally see your points but I still think my theory could be correct ^^

[eternal talon]

i'm not even at the point talking about dates for rundowns yet,

but still

that reactor was in kds deep

correct?

isn't all of r5 just getting access to kds deep for that one expedition?

how can r5 be before r2 and r3

[blissful linden]

We do teleport a lot.

[eternal talon]

not through time

[blissful linden]

Space and time are connected yo

[eternal talon]

no

you can't go back

you can distort time but you can't reverse it

[blissful linden]

Such human concepts 😛

Fair enough though. Just thought I'd bring up the teleportation stuff. Might have explained any wonky stuff.

[eternal talon]

If we could, why wouldn't the allens have done so to un-fuck their planet?

[blissful linden]

Oh man. There are lots of reasons for that I would think.

One could be that they've essentially merged with whatever infected them and they no longer are the OG aliens.

Timey wimey gets muddy quick though. So I agree with what you said. Linear and all that.

[burnt wren]

One of many things i learned across the years is that no franchise survived the time fuckery. Don't touch time, dear writer, you don't have what it takes to make it work.

Unless it's literally magic, but it's still fucked either way. It's the ultimate deus ex machina.

[blissful linden]

I feel like the Soulsverse does it incredibly well but I'm a huge fan of the universe and the storytelling design choices so I'm a bit biased.

Certainly the exception if you are willing to give me that. I can agree that 99/100 times it will screw you.

[burnt wren]

Anyway...
What do you guys think Shaufer is up to these days?
You think he's going to attempt to hijack our little death squad for his own ends? That final DX speech sounded ominous.

[eternal talon]

they already did... 👀
https://www.notion.so/clocks-on-L37-running-slow-42826c510f3b47d38253cd2be1e6718f#076197e6a2404c5fa04a6bed5377492a

[analog frigate]

that's not exactly time fuckery

are the clocks analogue or digital?

[eternal talon]

what about the time dilation between earth and destination?

[eternal talon]

doesn't say.

[analog frigate]

that could be due to gravitational forces

[analog frigate]

if it's analogue then it could be due to the mentioned magnetic fields that were causing issues in the neural chips

[dim scroll]

a 230s deviation for 24h requires a humongous gravitational force

definitely not something a huma being can withstand

[analog frigate]

i'm talking about the clock deviation

wait no

i'm stupid

one moment

[dim scroll]

😔

[analog frigate]

i meant the apparent deviation between destination and earth

for the clocks i think it's most likely the magnetic issues they mentioned

[dim scroll]

Are both L36 & L37 on destination ?

[analog frigate]

unknown but i'd assume so

[rocky wraith]

rechecking a log and it seems that NAM-V becomes significantly more virulent as time passes

"symptoms including frothing at the mouth and violent behaviour"

there is obviously stuff we are missing here to do with the virus

already biting at the bit for R7 lore

[final sentinel]

already frothing at the mouth for R7 lore

beanz we might have to get u checked for NAM-V

[rocky wraith]

The viral response team is already kicking the door in

[final sentinel]

mmmm wishing them luck on not dying

[rocky wraith]

I'm pretty sure the US viral response service is designed purely to execute all infected

well after torching the household and/or moving them to camps to be monitored

[eternal talon]

they are in garganta

l stands for level

same standard in the biotracker log and others

During construction of access tunnel L18-AT06, the construction crew encountered a basalt mass across the planned route. They received approval for a dogleg detour and rerouted the AT east for 3 meters with the intent of bypassing the obstruction. At 2.2 meters into the detour, they broke into an unexpected void, and ceased excavation to investigate the chamber.

for example

L~~ is a standard for garganta

nothing to do with destination

@analog frigate

the issues with the clocks were happening on earth.

We also have been denied any data from the autopsy of the creature found in Level 27, despite the potential for the life form to be carrying bacteria or viruses for which we have no remedy.

[rocky wraith]

the medical response teams were seething at that time

a sudden influx of injuries and suicides as well as being denied any information on what was happening

[past matrix]

do we know where exactly it is?

like 1500m, 1600m, etc

[eternal talon]

i'm not sure the levels are explained exactly where they are

i don't think so

[past matrix]

hm, because since we're getting a new environment in r7 and we are at like 1300m? I think we could see it as a new environment tbh

[eternal talon]

sauce?

[past matrix]

at least I thought they said that somewhere

1 sec

found it

New environment

r7 roadmap

sidenote it was mentioned that r6.5 would "tie some loose ends", but I don't recall 6.5 really confirming much

[subtle verge]

Oh it did, but in a very GTFO way. "Here's a loose end you can tie, but just so you know the string is frayed and oh hey look there's another string attached."

[dense saffron]

I've been waiting for a "deep reach" / fossil environment forever

[blissful linden]

When I was reading about The Inner/The Egg all I could picture was non-Euclidean H.R. Geiger esque tunnels.

Would be a nightmare to navigate and fight in something like that. A fun nightmare but still.

[deft sparrow]

not gonna lie that sounds like a stupid thing to keep form the guys who’s job is to keep epeople safe

[burnt wren]

Clearance level is clearance level.
Should've hired more trust worthy medics and give them appropriate credentials.

[burnt wren]

Is there any lore explanation on our arsenal?

[dim scroll]

Not really

[burnt wren]

It's not a big thing, but I'm curious. Is Warden bringing out what kovac had in store, or is there a manufacturing facility somewhere in garganta that keeps producing all of this.

Pretty much the only weapon that has any lore implication behind it is the Kovac Peacekeeper club.

Seems to be kovac's standard issue security item

Which btw also says a lot about kovac as a company because that thing is brutal.

Standard police batons are bad enough, but this cubical shit gotta hurt a lot and can deal some serious damage.

I'm surprised Warden is not arming us with mining tools dead space style...

[dim scroll]

It could arm us with silenced weapons

But for god knows what reason it doesn't have any

Though they will probably justify it by "we don't have enough of them for all the prisoners and you don't need it anyway"

[rich blaze]

It does, Spear is a drill head

[dim scroll]

Warden should give us access to cars

[burnt wren]

Now that you mention it the spear does look like something you insert into a bigger machine... For some reasons I though people stab that shit into a rock manually, lol.

As for silencer... Assuming GTFO really wants to be realistic here - they would do jack shit in our conditions.
IRL silencers don't reduce sound by that much. Main purpose is muzzle flash reduction and since sleepers are blind - that functionality is effectively lost and we would just make our guns bigger and heavier for no real reason besides looking cool.

"silencers make guns ghost-quiet" is a misconception and crappy writing tool invented by Hollywood writers so that they could get away with characters using firearms in crowded / stealth environments without having to deal with the consequences.

[rocky wraith]

We are with the sledgehammer

I think the arsenal is whatever kovac has in storage given that they are a PSF

[burnt wren]

You roll up to a kovac blacksite and he hits you with a scattergun

[rocky wraith]

turned into a fine mist by someone with worse memories that my dementia ridden grandma

Igor Rostok walking into a restricted area about to be met with an unfortunate fate

[eternal talon]

It's stuff Kovac already had lying around

There is zero chance that the wrdn has people down there running a gunsmithing factory

Else why start us with only 50% ammo and tool

[burnt wren]

I mean Warden doesn't really need people to do it. Just fully automated manufacturing facility with robo arms and all that stuff.
But I have doubts that garganta had such a facility. If I understand correctly - garganta is a specialised facility built for mining / excavation operations with some laboratories thrown in for good measure.

[eternal talon]

Correct

And I know this is the future and all, but you still need human eyes to watch over and maintain machines in just about any factory

[burnt wren]

Hm. Nothing some robots couldn't fix...

Speaking of which...

Anybody noticed weird exoskeleton things scattered across garganta?

I think they are most obvious in D1

Mechanical frame. Has legs and hands.

Probably just a prop but... The only thing it seems to lack is a pilot. So Warden has some options, if he feels like it.

[rocky wraith]

yeem

I think they need to be plugged in to work, but their cabling seems completely shredded

[past matrix]

something I just remembered something that could help the neonate = mimic theory: R3D1's name is "Bianhua"

Bianhua means "transformation, metamorphosis" and is typically used in the context of things such as a caterpillar growing into a butterfly

the other 2 neonate missions have to do with the objective itself.
R3A1 we use the cardiac resuscitation device, so its appropriately named "Resuscitation"
R3B2 we use the depressurizer, so its appropriately named "Pressure"

most if not all names from r1-r3 can be linked to the expedition itself/what the objective is, but Bianhua is the only expedition that makes 0 sense unless it has to do with putting the Neonate in the nFrame

[grave terrace]

U get sent to hole in ground

That’s the lore

[harsh saffron]

Good point, I love how some of the expedition names also work on multiple layers. Like R4A3 "Onwards" being a clear a path objective and you are literally pushing onwards and it also had the log containing the SMC slogan "Onwards and downwards!" ^^

[subtle verge]

I wonder if Bianhua could be considered the cycle where the neonate becomes an "adult" so to speak.

Tying in to the log that depicts the simulations of success?

[past matrix]

perhaps

This might be a crackhead theory but what if neural imprinting is a way for neonates to gain faster learning and better memorization

there's several types of "imprinting" irl such as:
-limbic imprinting, where trauma causes psychological effects on fetuses/newborns
-metabolic imprinting, where the environment of fetuses (and newborns I think) causes more physical effects on them like making them have a higher chance of diabetes and such

neural imprinting sounds like its along the lines of the others (limbic is a part of your brain, metabolic is, well, related to metabolism)

When we start developing our neural system, we create something called Synaptic plasticity which is important for things like learning and memory. This is in our embryo phase

The neonates are artificial wombs that grow embryos

in the callophy of audio log? or whatever its called, we hear a ton of different sounds right

my theory is that the neonates are neural imprinted so they can learn faster and memorize faster, which in turn Rise uses things like that one log to accelerate their learning by teaching them a ton of phrases

it also explains why the mimic recalls its "birth" down to the second. It has better memory than humans

WHICH EXPLAINS why we hook it up to the nFrame: the nFrame would give it knowledge, basically, and data including about the facility, especially considering we know nFrames store data (r4c1)

the only real problem is that we need the dna sample from R3C1 to imprint but I mean, it could easily just be needed to access the place where the neonates are imprinted or the imprinting machine itself

[indigo gale]

The only IRL gun that is actually fairly suppressed is the MP5SD.

That's the MP5 variant with a permanent suppressor, for those who wonder.

[rocky wraith]

welrod

[rocky wraith]

I interpreted the nFrame mission as the warden implanting the neural wireframe/interface into its head so that the warden could upload a part of its conscience to the mimic

[indigo gale]

Ah yeah, can't forget about that one either from WW2.

[rocky wraith]

there are dozens of guns that are integrally suppressed with their own subsonic ammo

not just these 2

and the cons of suppressed guns outweighs the benefits in the game

[indigo gale]

Yeah.

[rich blaze]

• sleepers are packed enough that one will hear the detonation anyway

[rocky wraith]

killing power far outweighs preventing the sleepers in the next room hearing you

[rich blaze]

• whatever is isolated is something you usually don't wanna shoot with a normal pistol

[rocky wraith]

imagine mag dumping subsonic rounds into a big guy just for him to spit them out

[crisp sage]

Realistically when it comes to sleepers you'd want stopping power over sound.

[rocky wraith]

considering how the sleepers heads explode, their ammo defo works

[past matrix]

I'm thinking

https://bedecked-soldier-139.notion.site/PCS-alert-unauthorized-access-logged-80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf#7f6462ef14984aadb8b4ea2ee7eae48b

are we sure this isn't just a teaser for r7?

it ends with the Warden updating objectives for the main four seemingly

but we don't have any expedition so far that matches it

[rich blaze]

All assets are generators tho

[tall anchor]

uh

hsu bank storage?

oh god

is the rise program about resurrecting the hsu bank

[subtle verge]

Jurassic Park vibes, anyone?

https://youtu.be/sAgw0_BytNM

[tall anchor]

this is jurrasic park but with actual biology

[eternal talon]

Wdym "ressurecting" the hsu bank?

What's the hsu bank?

The kds deep vault?

[lofty warren]

No, the rise project was around in and before 2054, why would it be to resurrecting all Hsu?

[tall anchor]

the warden is targeting the rise project within the commands

and is introducing stuff that would act as a de-hydrostasis thing

[burnt wren]

Btw, a random thought.

[lofty warren]

From what I understand Rise is a physical place in the compound where hsu’s were sent. Maybe he wants us to go there to retrieve these special people

[burnt wren]

What if RISE project is a logical successor of LEGION project?
By that I mean: what if midway through actual hardcore pandemic kovac realized that humanity is about to go extinct and decided that perhaps their artificial breeding project is better used as a fail safe for humanity to grow new humans, potentially resistant to both namv and parasites?

Kinda like SCP have a facility just for that in case one of the anomalies finally do humanity in.

Particularly I find the name of it weird - "rise". Rise from what? Oppression? Or perhaps from the Ashes / after being hit down?

[subtle verge]

I'm not necessarily sure if I would agree that one is a logical successor to the other, but I would definitely agree that they work hand-in-hand.

Though I think it's possible.

[burnt wren]

It's like... They were preparing to grow an artificial army for personal use and PMC services, but at some point realized that with the way things are going there's going to be no one left to sell those services to. No company, no matter how greedy, is that insane to just continue with the project as is under the circumstances.

So you just remove the brainwashing part to create mindless drones to be controlled by BIOCOM and just focus on trying to breed the artificial human period, so at least something was left behind.

[subtle verge]

Project Rise is not a physical place, as no log mentions of a physical place for it, however it's suspected that the Rise Project is happening in KDS Deep along with advancements for the Legion Program.

[subtle verge]

Hmm.. this is an interesting theory. I like it.

That being said, I think we're on the right track with the Rise Project: the creation of a "sleeve" (IYKYK) to implant either an existing mind or a variable of BIOCOM.

[lofty warren]

GFR-U-5LL.LOG states that the new HSU are not to be delivered to the HSU vaults but are to be dispatched to a private vault. If they are allocated to rise and placed in a private vault I would think that Rise is at least conducted in a private/separated place of the facility.

[past matrix]

I think R4D2's tank room is where they were also happening

since in it you can see a lot of neonate HSU's as well as normal HSUs's

[tall anchor]

I thought that was the main hsu vault?

And considering if rise was happening in a seperate part (for secrecy)

[past matrix]

yeah thats what i mean, my b if it wasnt clear

cause "Shipment" mentions

usual Hydrostasis holding vault
so thats probably what r4d2's room was

[lofty warren]

What is the current theory on shaefers “monster” ? I’m@curious what you think.

[past matrix]

there's several theories atm. I've heard of mainly five:
-the monster is a robot, which is based on some of its language ("future self should reboot") and why it makes weird guttural screams at the end of the DX audio
-the monster is just a monster with no ties to the neonate nor specimen 22
-the monster is specimen 22, this imo is the most likely given its description is similar to what specimen 22 looks like, and at the end of the DX audio the warden objective changes to "urgent. check on specimen 22" or whatever, which imo extremely implies that specimen 22 was the monster and the warden after hearing the audio wants to check on it (the change in objective makes 0 sense whatsoever without that context in mind)
-the monster is specimen 22 and is the neonate/a neonate, we've been seemingly trying to grow the neonate since R3 and specimen 22 says sentences similar to what the one audio log with a bunch of jumbled audio says, which makes sense if its connected to Rise.
-the monster is specimen 22 and is the neonate as well as a more physical version of the Warden, there's different like degrees to this theory but the base of it is that we've been growing the neonate and the Warden is extremely interested in the neonate for some weird reason (the Warden also called the neonate "the vessel"), and so when the neonate went under neural imprinting the Warden could have done something to it to where it sort of "became" a physical version of itself. I'm not too knowledgeable on the Warden theory though

[lofty warren]

Interesting, I haven’t read all the logs about it yet just listened to all the audiologs of Schaeffer. I was linking the monster to the sleepers but the neonate theory does make sense. I also remember that Shaeffer saw the sleepers attack the monster but in a later log it seems to move among them without being attacked. It led me to think that the warden is “growing” the monster and it is evolving everytime it gets into a situation where it is killed. The sleepers kill it, it finds a way to become invisible to them. Same with how it communicates with Shaeffer, like its learning. I don’t think the monster is the embodiment of the warden but perhaps it is meant to receive something else as host?

[tall anchor]

oh

it communicates due to the neural imprinting leftovers

that explains the audio on cx? where he beats up the monster

[lofty warren]

In the audiologs it seemed to me that it was learning to communicate with shaeffer. The later logs it seemed better at reacting.

Beat up? It seemed to me he killed it.

[past matrix]

I dont know if you saw what I said earlier but I think that it doesnt communicate because of the neural imprints but rather from the neural imprinting expanding its capability of memorization and learning

[tall anchor]

i must have missed that

[past matrix]

which is why its relatively adaptive and it knew how many seconds it was since it was "born"

[past matrix]

this was me at 12 am deducing what it meant since we're never really told what it was outside of prisoners just mentioning that its a bit weird

[tall anchor]

so the neural imprinting most likely had the sleeper-monster grow a brain, and it’s learnt from there

interesting

if that original baby was subject 22…

Anyway that r3d1 is my favourite level so i hope we can go back to it

that’d be soo cool, like it would be a remastered version of the level w/ cracked doors and the like

[past matrix]

I think it'd be cool

There's a lot of expeditions it'd be cool to bring back and I was hoping at least one expedition per rundown is a "remake". My idea was
-r5 had r1d1, so
-r6 has r2b1 (prenerf)
-r7 has r3d1
-r8 has r4b2

And so on

[tall anchor]

that’d be cool

I mean; r6 has a good contender for the original r2e1 mission

[rocky wraith]

Or having to revisit previous levels because 'something happened'

[dense saffron]

the name got changed to "Unit 22" iirc

which maybe points more to it being the HSU baby?

[tall anchor]

I didn't see it in game, i kept dying two terminals after jump

[dense saffron]

HSUnit?

yeah it's referred to now as Unit 22

also side note, does the roadmap show the snatcher?

you can see the red doesn't match up with the trusses of the floodways bridge tile

and seems to be coming from one point in front of the camera

[tall gate]

imo it's just a scout seen from under the tentacles, in a floodways env

[dense saffron]

are you sure? doesn't look like a scout at all

I'd expect the tendrils to be coming from a ball and spreading out flatly

these come from one point and extend outward around the camera

also you can clearly see they don't all connect at the same point, so it can't be a scout

[tall gate]

pretty sure it's just a scout yes

[strong solstice]

pretty sure it's a scout

[dense saffron]

ah I see it now

the reflections on the tentacles were fucking me up

[past matrix]

what is

cause the DX guy is still labeled as "Specimen 22" as of 4/25

[dense saffron]

is it? in the localization it was changed to unit 22?

did they change the wrong localization

[past matrix]

they might have lmaoo

better image*

OH WAIT

yeah you're right, dak

they changed the objective text for the very end but not for the beginning

from 4/19

from 4/12

from 4/19

also from 4/19

so they changed it at one point but changed only like half of the mentions of it

they might have seen the confusion and tried to amend it; "Unit 22" definitely helps the case of the Mimic and S22 being the same than the name "Specimen 22"

[eternal talon]

How does it help the case of them being the same?

"Unit" isn't exactly much more descriptive than specimen, in fact, even less so.

[fossil mantle]

Neonate Unit?

[past matrix]

^

[past matrix]

well, not exactly

I think you mean hydrostasis unit lol

why would they change the name of it randomly in an update from "specimen" to "unit"?

the more descriptive name of a neonate mind you is "neonatal HS units"

so that's two entities introduced in a rundown extension meant to set up what happens in R7 that both have evidence for being linked to an HSU some way

the mimic, who seemingly uses words that are similar to what Rise neonates would use (well, they wouldnt be neonates if they're talking, but I think you could catch what im saying) considering the cacophony of audio log, which while we obviously don't know a whole ton about it is weird that it's out of the blue and is in an extension where we had an oddly large amount of mentions to neonates in general

and then Specimen 22, renamed "Unit 22" for literally 0 reason

[harsh saffron]

Honestly, I think its just a small mistake that it's called "unit" a single time, wouldn't read too much into that.

[past matrix]

see, that would make sense, but the fact that it was updated out of nowhere twice (one in the warden text, one in the objective text) is super weird

but its also weird that they didn't fully update it, only updating 2/5? of the mentions of it

[harsh saffron]

True but we also have "Data Cubes" as the actual item name in game and the name in the logs is "Data Block" instead. Or stuff like Kovac and Kovak. I agree that its kinda strange tho ^^

[mild kettle]

Hey, could someone explain the general lore of GTFO to me if it's not a bother? I've been trying to piece stuff together through the logs and stuff but i'm not getting it entirely.

[analog frigate]

i recommend you check the pins, there are some summaries

also you can check the timeline there

if you have any questions, go ahead and ask

[lofty warren]

So basically you’re part of a four man team being sent into a giant underground complex inhabited with horrible monsters to complete objectives for some kind of unknown overseer called the warden who holds you prisoner.

[pine agate]

Yeah, but that's the basic premise.

[eternal talon]

for dummies doc

[harsh saffron]

I just realised something going through the logs. We have this seemingly random log from R4 https://www.notion.so/KDS-Goods-75509799e8b448878ecfa13e792ae6b9
Mentioning some of the stuff that the Warden was looking for and collecting in the new DX logs (N-33S_endocrine_stimulator, NGF_protein and neonatal HS units).
https://www.notion.so/conduit_gather-a06673d6392e4499a730313998f3c20c and
https://www.notion.so/PCS-alert-unauthorized-access-logged-80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf
Not really sure what that implies, just thought I would share it.

[past matrix]

I don't know what to make out of KDS Goods although it is interesting that it has some things the warden is looking for

but i think conduit_gather is before PCS alert, and the Warden basically just had other prisoners look for the shit

maybe it realized in KDS Goods that there's things that it needs in the Complex, which then is when it executed conduit_gather, then PCS alert is when it finally has everything and is getting ready to fully grow many neonates

also sidenote, I didn't notice it before but its interesting how neural imprints are brought up again and it gives more info (albeit just a little) info on the neural imprints: that it requires a machine to do so

[ember jackal]

Hi, relatively new here, I’m caught up on all the basics of timeline, factions, and events, but there’s nothing in the docs that details who the neonates are or what they’re for. Like they have to come from somewhere. Are they grown from/“bred” from KSOs? What is the Warden using them for?

[analog frigate]

the neonates currently server an unknown purpose

we sort of know what they do

lab grown subjects

also they aren't "grown" from KSOs, more so genetic matter is used to fabricate them

[ember jackal]

Right. The DNA samples probably do come from KSOs and previous SMC employees then

[analog frigate]

well definitely from KSOs somehow

[ember jackal]

Are they being used to test a cure for NAM-V?

[analog frigate]

unknown

it's a possibility

we don't know the warden's end goal

[ember jackal]

What other ideas do we have for possible uses?

We don’t know who put the warden in place either?

[analog frigate]

a more perfected version of KSOs, some way to grow sleepers, something in relation to NAM-V

[ember jackal]

Hmmm

[analog frigate]

it's vague enough that we have a lot of possibilities, nothing much more likely than the other

[analog frigate]

currently, no

[ember jackal]

Why growing sleepers? Is there evidence to suggest it’s on the parasite’s side?

thanks for all your answers btw it’s really nice of you to help catch me up

[analog frigate]

the appearance seems to link to sleepers in some way

although it's unknown if there is an actual link between the neonates and the sleeper species

[analog frigate]

don't mention it, that's why i'm here

[ember jackal]

Just double checked and yeah they look gross

But it makes sense that HSUs would be function over form anyway.

They look like, filled with blood

[analog frigate]

well that seems like amneotic (? forgor spelling) fluid

which has a similar colour

[ember jackal]

Which is kind of weird, given that they are neonates, literally meaning newborns. So those are fully formed children and not fetuses

Ohhhh

[analog frigate]

also they are covered in some sort of isolation, you can tell from the hexagonal pattern

so it's only like a fetus on the inside that we can't see

[ember jackal]

I can see the shape of a baby

[ember jackal]

Well we know they aren’t fetuses, since they say “neonate”. Neo means new and nate means born, so literally newborns. These would be children at a developmental stage just past birth

[analog frigate]

that does makes sense yeah

although it depends on what is actually inside

[ember jackal]

I can see a defined vacuum sealed baby in there, so definitely a full formed kid. If it’s a sleeper kid we don’t know I guess, the face isn’t defined enough to see features

It makes sense that these would be lab grown kids since there’s a nozzle in the same spot as the umbilical cord, which wouldn’t make sense if the kid was born and then put into hydrostasis

Well, I mean I guess it could, but I haven’t seen anything regarding feeding tubes surgically implanted for hydrostasis

[analog frigate]

it definitely wasn't naturally born

i'd imagine it was grown in the same HSU it's in

[ember jackal]

So neural imprints… that implies that it’s either being groomed for KSO usage or to emulate normal neurological growth for test purposes

Also, have the team interacted with other prisoners? Or are they just kept in hydrostasis all the time lol

[analog frigate]

seems something connected to such a purpose

[analog frigate]

as far as we know, no

we go in

do what the warden has sent us out to do

come back

and get back into the HSUs until the next expedition

[ember jackal]

:(

Sad existence

[analog frigate]

well they don't have a choice

[ember jackal]

How likely do you think that there is more prisoner teams?

[analog frigate]

we know that there are

firstly, there is KDS Deep from which there were at least 1300 new KSOs

secondly, we have had missions to "help operatives in nearby sectors" by turning on or off generators/reactors/ect

[ember jackal]

Ohhh I see

KDS deep… I need to reread that section

[analog frigate]

R5E1

KDS Deep was the mass HSU storage in garganta

with a capacity of 32 thousand iirc

although from the latest logs, it seems as if only 15000 or 1500 were used??

my memory is extremely faulty so better check for yourself

[ember jackal]

Thanks man

[analog frigate]

no need

[ember jackal]

I see that Schaeffer checked himself into an HSU down there to keep from starving? So anyone who’s in an HSU down there is brainwashed into a KSO

[analog frigate]

it's a side effect of HSUs

they cause memory loss

first noticed by KDS (the people who made them) in what seems to be before the mission to mars

[ember jackal]

Yes but the squad aren’t KSOs, are they? KSOs are supposed to be like robots from what I saw

[analog frigate]

that's why it ended in catastrophic failure

[ember jackal]

I see

[analog frigate]

they are supposed to be robots, but not in the literal sense

as in the perfect soldiers

brainwashed, do exactly what you tell them without hesitation

[ember jackal]

The squad aren’t perfect soldiers tho aren’t they

[analog frigate]

well lorewise they are

every single expedition successfully done

[ember jackal]

They talk amongst themselves and have some semblance of free will

Hm

True

[analog frigate]

that's one of the things schaeffer has been peaking our interest with

there appears to be a way to "break free"

by going deeper

or the bucket

[ember jackal]

The… the bucket

[analog frigate]

.t bucket

[ruby lake]

||This is my bucket. There are many like it, but this one is mine.||
||My bucket is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.||
||My bucket, without me, is useless. Without my bucket, I am useless. I must use my bucket true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will …||
||My bucket and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit….||
||My bucket is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my bucket clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ….||
||Before God, I swear this creed. My bucket and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.||
||So be it, until victory and there is no enemy, but peace!!||

||https://i.imgur.com/LX0YKiG.png||

[ember jackal]

I had friends who were Homestuckers who thoroughly traumatized me

Is this a player made inside joke or a lore thing I need to know

[analog frigate]

no one knows

we made it a joke

but it seems important

[ember jackal]

It seems like a reasonable enough path to free will, by conditioning yourself to associate it with something physical or under your control

Weird mental flex but ok

Breaking free by going deeper implies that the Inner interferes with BIOCOM’s control over KSOs

[analog frigate]

it's related to the magnetic issues that have been going on

KSOs have neural cortexes

chips that the BIOCOM/warden uses to control them

in a log it is stated, that if a certain value of magnetic force is exhibited on them, they malfunction

now, there is another log, that says that clocks in some area are precisely 230 seconds (i think that was the number) off of other ones

[ember jackal]

I read something about the KSOs responding abnormally to frequencies

Huh

[analog frigate]

and if that's caused by the magnetic interference, then that connects to what schaeffer said about going deeper to free ourselves

if we go deep enough, hypothetically the magnetic interference will damage the chips, setting us free

although that's still a theory

also @subtle verge if you could possibly send the doc with the theory on when legion appears to have originally starte

[ember jackal]

This is all very interesting. What can I do to help? What are the questions we’re struggling with most rn

[analog frigate]

that's the question we are struggling with xd

at least me

[ember jackal]

Lol

[analog frigate]

what exactly is there that we have enough information to craft a theory or possibilities of

since most of the stuff we have is worked to the end and is missing information to go further

[subtle verge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dA2C_dJbLrPR80MJk3EgZIEboa8JUUippG0zLEPtDBw/edit?usp=sharing

[analog frigate]

honestly just start asking random stuff that you think could be needed and maybe there'll be something

[ember jackal]

Cool! That I can definitely do

[analog frigate]

damn i still need to rewrite the sleeper analysis

[ember jackal]

I have a good knowledge of story structure, human biology, and a passion for picking things apart

👀

[subtle verge]

Amanes is working on another theory about KDS, but he's got IRL stuff going on at the moment. His theory, per his words, has a different view than my theory.

[ember jackal]

Sleeper analysis???

[subtle verge]

Excited to see that.

[analog frigate]

can you summarise it possibly

[subtle verge]

Take that with a large grain of salt -- it's an old doc that was written during the lore draught of R5.

Lots of mistakes in that doc atm.

[ember jackal]

I see

[subtle verge]

His theory or mine?

[analog frigate]

i know yours, his

haven't seen it yet

[ember jackal]

So R5 had a lot of lore about sleeper biology?

[subtle verge]

I can't say I'm sure. He's not really let loose any info regarding his theory.

[analog frigate]

more so didn't

a couple people gathered and made a document

[subtle verge]

It did not, that entire doc is observation mixed with theory craft.

[analog frigate]

basically all that we knew about them from logs and what we can see in-game

[ember jackal]

Ohhhh

[analog frigate]

like a week or two before r6

[harsh saffron]

R5 was backstory time for all the main chars

[analog frigate]

so it instantly became outdated

[ember jackal]

oh, you meant lore DROUGHT

[subtle verge]

Sorry, yes, phone typo. Have used the word draught in more recent conversations.

[ember jackal]

Lol dw

So our current rundown has the lore on the sleepers

[analog frigate]

it expands on it more than before, yes

and the whole introduction of destination's sleepers

[subtle verge]

So the biggest things that I can think of at the moment that I've seen questions on:

The identity of Unit/Specimen 22 -- is it the "mimic" that we've been talking about?
Is Unit/Specimen 22 an observational piece for Warden?
Why is Warden simulating the Rise Project?
Is Schaeffer actually the bad guy and Warden the good guy?
How long have researchers/scientists been on Destination?

There are more, but brain no thinky today.

[ember jackal]

Thanks, and also mood

[analog frigate]

mood

except not really today, it's 2am and i haven't slept since a day ago

happens

[subtle verge]

That was me yesterday, brother. Woke up at 6am on Friday, didn't go to sleep until 7am Saturday. My body is all kinds of fuckered at the moment.

[ember jackal]

Hi I barely know yall and you’re already activating my mother hen instincts

Go to bed you absolute cretins

[analog frigate]

sleep is overrated

[ember jackal]

It really is not

[subtle verge]

Lmao. Welcome to the lore channel! Where we're a bunch of crackpot tinfoil insomniacs.

[ember jackal]

You know how sleepers kill people despite being barely-sentient parasitoids? They sleep a lot

Sleep is directly correlated to being able to hurl yourself at trained soldiers and inflict physical harm

So to be more effective we should all sleep

[analog frigate]

well thankfully i am not involved in future tech combat situations, where i have to oppose a highly trained, heavily armed super soldier while having zero gear and just running at him at full speed while he has already aimed down the sights of an experimental light gas gun, activated by a plasma discharge

[ember jackal]

yes but you also need sleep

[subtle verge]

Just a heads up: 80% of the time you'll see either redundant discussions or debates, 10% will be theories or information gathering, and the other 10% is roughly shitposting/working with the wiki folks/transcribing written and audio logs.

[ember jackal]

I’m more than okay with that

By the way the KSO section on the wiki is bare af. We should compile info for that if there isn’t already a project going for that

[analog frigate]

the lore parts of the wiki are lacking

[subtle verge]

Then allow me to welcome you to our island of exile from the rest of the GTFO community! Lmao.

[analog frigate]

outside of all the logs being on it

[subtle verge]

Yeah, the wiki group is currently working on filling out mechanics and gameplay info at the moment.

[analog frigate]

i was supposedly writing it at one point

but oh well

[subtle verge]

I suppose one of us should really fill out the lore sections at some point.

[ember jackal]

Cool. I can’t exactly promise that I’ll be able to contribute a lot of wiki articles but I’d love to help

[subtle verge]

Maybe I'll work on that this week.

[ember jackal]

I can help with the KSO section, that’s a part of the lore that really confused me at first and having a definition of it would probably help people who want to get deeper into the lore too

[analog frigate]

i probably will say that i will but end up not

but i'll try and check it and add something

[subtle verge]

Really the biggest problem with doing that is that the lore is delivered in a very "bits and pieces" fashion, so when we get new things released, we have to go back to the drawing board and fix or rewrite articles at a time.

[ember jackal]

I don’t know how to navigate the logs to find info on KSOs. Is there a way I can like word search the logs for mentions of them

[analog frigate]

not only that, but compiling it for new people is extremely difficult

[subtle verge]

Focus on school, broski. Your edumacation is more important, at least until sömmer.

[ember jackal]

We could maybe add a “last updated during Rundown X” thing

[subtle verge]

The notion.so link in the pins have tags on all of the logs, there should be a KSO tag.

[analog frigate]

since we have to work out all that is confirmed, progress on theories, possibilities and all that is connected and can be written

[ember jackal]

Cool thanks

You’re in SCHOOL?

[analog frigate]

oh when the summer comes, i have a decent lot of docs that need figuring out and writing

[ember jackal]

Bro get some sleep

[subtle verge]

Yeah, I'll get with the wiki group and @harsh saffron and see what he thinks about doing something like that. I also still want to get a logs hyperlink on the front page of the wiki.

[analog frigate]

tomorrow is a holiday

even if it wasn't, we have first classes english

[ember jackal]

Does that matter? Get some sleep to allow yourself to function

[analog frigate]

and i've already done the entire textbook and know all the material for a year or two ahead

[ember jackal]

Yeesh

[subtle verge]

Daraxus is our local minor insomniac. Truly a brain to be reckoned with.

[ember jackal]

I bet you could do another two years if you rested your brain man

[analog frigate]

i've never had issues with it and still get perfect scores even though i look like a corpse during some classes 😎

[ember jackal]

Minor? And yes, I’m sure, I won’t be naive enough to think I can take responsibility for the derelict state of his personal care

[ember jackal]

bruh

[tall anchor]

literal sleeper

[subtle verge]

Lmfao. He's under the age of 18.

[ember jackal]

That isn’t what matters, y’all gotta sleep to stay healthy

Minor he may be but he is a major insomniac and I won’t hear anything else

[subtle verge]

Hahaha

[ember jackal]

hi nice to meet you I just landed on the lore island of exile

[tall anchor]

nice!

I’m in a resurgence phase myself, i used to do a lot early in the process but i’ve done nada until recently

[subtle verge]

Hi, Lilli! Missed seeing you around.

[analog frigate]

i remember some people who were around a lot here

although they disappeared

[ember jackal]

I get the sense that y’all are very familiar with each other here

[tall anchor]

well, i’m before those two’s time lol

[analog frigate]

oh definitely

[subtle verge]

Dr Grem

[analog frigate]

one of the first to type in this channel

[analog frigate]

dagga

[tall anchor]

maaaan i was here before this was created lol

[analog frigate]

people come and go, doesn't matter though

god damn it why is it that every time i try and say something smart, it rhymes

i'm cursed or something

[ember jackal]

It honestly sounded less smart and more nihilistic

u okay man

maybe you should take care of yourself, I dunno, sleep more

[analog frigate]

again, sleep is overrated

also we should keep this chat more lore

[ember jackal]

Right right

[analog frigate]

irl lore isn't interesting compared to gtfo

[tall anchor]

agreed

[subtle verge]

Indeed. We've had our sbs moment for the day. Anyway: if there are any questions you have, throw them out there. You'll either get a decided answer, a shrug or a theory.

[tall anchor]

luckily gtfo lore may be related to irl lore so that makes me happy

[tall anchor]

number 3 baybee

[ember jackal]

Would potential theorycraft based on story structure and analysis on a meta level fall under lore as well? It seems like it would but I want to know if y’all are sticklers for the semantics

It doesn’t seem like it so far

[analog frigate]

oh we are extremely picky

just already went through that with the current stuff we have

[ember jackal]

Fair point. Character analysis?

[analog frigate]

there was a giant message with it for our squad

it's lost somewhere in the chat though

one moment

[tall anchor]

oh yeah very picky

though most people like holes poked through their theories

[ember jackal]

As they should

theorycraft is meaningless if you don't critique it

[analog frigate]

"Woods, Isaiah F-2056

Isaiah Woods was a religious man of honor and courage who saw too much. The brutality of combat changed him from a spiritual man to a ticking time bomb. When his fuse finally burned down, he went on a rampage and justified it as divine retribution for the evils he saw around him. Even now, with no memory of the carnage he wrought, he feels the presence of God flowing through him. Some fires burn too deep to smother."
"Dauda, Abeo T-3701

A brilliant young mind. A groundbreaking researcher. A pillar of the scientific community. Nigerian-born psychopharmacologist Abeo Dauda was all of those things before his obsessive ambition broke his moral compass. Dauda’s blindness to the human cost of his experiments made him indispensable to unscrupulous drug companies. As long as they stayed out of his way, he didn’t question them. By the time he realized the depravity of the people he worked for, it was too late."
"Hackett, Aiden O-4711

The first person to admit Hackett isn’t cut out for this world is Hackett. Even as a child, his feral mind was a deadly force. When he joined the military, discipline loosened the grip of his dark impulses, but nature always finds a way. Inevitably, Hackett’s instinctive cruelty was unleashed on a peacekeeping mission that couldn’t have gone more wrong. Clear-eyed about his actions, Hackett knew that redemption would cost him life as he knew it."

"Bishop, Frank GO-1395

A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power. This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity. The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis. Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence. "

this is sorta the thing

[ember jackal]

thanks i think i read that on the intro sheet

but good to have it

[analog frigate]

it's not really a detailed thing

more so how they are presented

otherwise you can go into their psychological status, like with hackett

[ember jackal]

They're all pretty messed up

[pine agate]

Hey, I have a question: are PDF files allowed here?
I dragged the GTFO Expedition Descriptions document into a google docs and made it look a bit more fancy and organized. But I'm not sure if these types of documents are allowed.

[eternal talon]

I mean I don't see why they wouldn't be.

Also hi mercurnary, I'm the local nutcase.

I run the the "for dummies" doccument and am a connoisseur for diving into the more insane fields of the lore, like 16th century colonial Spanish-Mayan medical doccuments, weird unsolved mysteries like the sandstone circle and ancient Allen theory, and also for preferring tea instead of coffee.

Sorry I wasn't here earlier today, I had work.

[pine agate]

Alright, here's the most recent version of the "GTFO Expeditions Description" file. I made it look a bit more fancier and organized, also added rundown images and stuff.

[dense saffron]

it was intentional

We have released a patch to fix the damage on the small flyers and the matchmaking labels of the new expeditions. And some lore related stuff... what could that mean? Read the details in patch-notes. Reboot Steam if the patch doesn't automagically install and don't forget to have an awesome Easter (if you celebrate it)!
#game-announcements message

this was the announcement that was made the day it was changed from "Specimen 22" to "Unit 22"

[dense saffron]

I think it's safe to say they just missed a few of the mentions

[past matrix]

they also changed something else

the CX board changed whose struck through and shit iirc that update aswell

so yeah definitely intentional

[dense saffron]

the localization diff I did showed Specimen -> Unit as the only change

[past matrix]

does localization cover assets aswell?

[dense saffron]

only text element that get translated

doesn't cover in game logs

[harsh saffron]

Ah ok makes sense, I thought it was just the board in CX because I only played DX after the patch ^^

[harsh saffron]

"Last updated" thing sounds pretty neat 👍
Only problem with the logs link could be that you would probably have to link to the logs category (which isn't really nice to look at https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Logs).

[dull crest]

Any new discovers during the weekend?

[analog frigate]

not yet

welcoming new folks mostly

[harsh saffron]

Working on a lore video rn. There are so many logs 😭

[analog frigate]

the extension has like, 50 more?

i think r6 has somewhere around 100+

[harsh saffron]

Let me count real quick

26 for ext; 38 for main R6 so 64 total. 42 in R5 plus extension

[agile plinth]

ouch

[upper bison]

could you guys recommend me some really well made videos about lore? I started playing like 4 days ago and i would love to catch up lorewise

[analog frigate]

i suggest checking the pins for the summaries and similar

there's also the timeline

and duck will have a lore video soon

at some point in the near future at least

then if you have any questions, go ahead and ask

[sonic citrus]

If Duck is making it its gonna be some quality content 👀

[analog frigate]

definitely

[harsh saffron]

Would be my 2nd video ever, so probably not that awesome ^^

[sonic citrus]

Is your other one on lore or something altogether different?

[harsh saffron]

I just made a small meme video about sentry cpu speed booster turning sniper sentries into death machines ^^

because I had like 67% and it just killed waves with multiple hybrids before I could even aim at them 😄

[sonic citrus]

Damn 👀

[analog frigate]

.50 cal burst sentry

[ember goblet]

What facts do we know in Gtfo about "Genesis".

[solar nova]

It's the first generation of KSOs, and that's about it.

Might be some small info about their status and such.

[harsh saffron]

I threw this org chart together for the video, I didn't put every employee there obviously. Artus and Schaeffer are just there to show some more clearance levels and because Schaeffer is kinda important. Let me know if you think I should put somebody else there (like Rebecca Stokes for example) or if I messed something up with the placement.

[dim scroll]

You should add a white background

[harsh saffron]

Yeah, it was white while I edited it, but apparently thats not the case after sending it here ^^

that should be better

[analog frigate]

you could write that gustavo was a part of the mexican government, not only affiliated

since it appears that he was in power inside of it

because of the exclusion zone around garganta and how it was a national law

so it would be more likely that he was a politician in power

[rich blaze]

IDs don't necessarily match Clearance

Artus was clearance 5 despote being a D

Also N IDs

[harsh saffron]

True, would still think that they are normally assigned their IDs with the clearance in mind. The table is mostly so ppl know why the IDs start with a letter and that they mean something ^^

[harsh saffron]

Probably a good idea. I'm not really familiar with Mexican politics but I would agree that the amount of power he has is most fitting for a politician.

[solar nova]

Pretty sure he was doing something far above his clearance level, but wasn't actually cleared for it.

[rich blaze]

In that case maybe add N for Nyxos, I guess

[rich blaze]

True, it was kinda off track

[analog frigate]

<@&408548765599793173>

[shut mountain]

pain

death

destruction

[tall anchor]

mood

[shut mountain]

Gonna yoinky spoinky it cause the rickroll is not lore...unless u make a gtfo edition if it 👁️

[south lake]

"Yoinky spoinky".. lol

[rocky wraith]

There are at least 4 types of KSO operatives, Each beginning with a letter of G, T, F, O, etc

G for Genesis

T for Tau

Sigma gen are not in use due to possible self harm issues

We know O and F exist due to the ID's of the operatives

BioSig scrub: DC01T30725 / DC01O24534 / DC01F11465 / DC01G00004

BioSig scrub: DC02O20312 / DC02T30076 / DC02G00009 / DC02F10058

BioSig scrub: DC03F13012 / DC03T38821 / DC03G00014 / DC03O22944

[harsh saffron]

Oh yeah, never noticed that

[rocky wraith]

I think his clearance was a temporary 5 on need to know. So he only got access to tier 5 clearance because he was the one who had to install the hearsay system. otherwise he has tier 2 clearance

[timid palm]

does the NAM-V stand for anything? like what SARS stands for

or is it like covid19 how its just like SARS-CoV-2

or do we just know it as NAM-V

[harsh saffron]

I don't think it's specifically stated anywhere. But I'm sure they didn't just give it a random name, so there is probably an explanation for it.

[gentle minnow]

I am very interested in knowing the lore about the warp technology! When I'm not host, the enemies will active warp drive. I am assuming this has something to do with the matter wave projector lore. Does someone know anything about the significance of enemies being able to teleport, lick me through floors or around corners, or see a hybrid/shooter's projectile come out 5 feet to the right of it?

[past matrix]

when the MWP was transmitted the neuron synpapses of the universe were messed up causing the orion protocol to hit into the sleepers resulting in their genetic makeup being altered to include Hydroxic Hyperboside, which allows them to move through surfaces with ease as well as teleport

[quick grove]

What

[quick grove]

Explain in some more better terms my man

[past matrix]

ok

when the MWP was hooked up to the big machine as seen in B1 and D1, the neuron synapses of the universe were tangled together causing radiation to hit the Orion constellation perfectly. This in turn caused the sleepers to have a different genetic makeup than they did before, altering it to include something called "Hydroxic Hyperboside", which allows them to move through surfaces as well as teleport

[quick grove]

You mean the flyers?

[past matrix]

No

[quick grove]

I haven't seen any sleepers moving through surfaces

[past matrix]

their tongues can

[quick grove]

Is this stated in lore lol

Seems more like a glitch to me

[quick grove]

In game ofc

[red oasis]

can we actually fix the game and add proper animation when they use warp drive?

i suggest something similar to stalker blink animation from starcraft 2

[eternal talon]

No, @quick grove, warden is talking nonsense

[past matrix]

someone asked a lore question and i gave them a lore response

[eternal talon]

Yeah, but this isn't the place for that

[quick grove]

Yeah i know seemed like non facts

[eternal talon]

This is serious discussion, in here that sounds just like misinformation

[quick grove]

That wasn't lore man

[past matrix]

my bad, I forgot how serious and how heavy of a topic GTFO lore is

[red oasis]

well misinformation in a discord server is a serious crime

punishable by having losttyfrostty tell you its wrong

[eternal talon]

It's a problem for this channel

Read the description and complain to the mods, not me

[quick grove]

😂😂

[gentle minnow]

just remember these devs are losing their shit when D2 extreme didnt spawn right enemies but when enemies got warp technology they didnt care

[eternal talon]

The entire point of this channel is information

Nonsense talking is kind of a bad idea when it can be misconstrued as fact

[quick grove]

Or when they got hentai tenticals

[gentle minnow]

???

[quick grove]

The flyers

[red oasis]

please keep this chat lore related

[eternal talon]

Where did this stuff about warp tech even come from?

There is only one species in lore that even has "warp tech" and they are extinct.

[quick grove]

This I think

[eternal talon]

The only infected organizms that can teleport locally are the floaters

Why they can do this we don't know but we can assume that it's in some way related to the crystals on Destination as they are also on the backs of these floaters

[eternal talon]

That post is very clearly a shitpost

[quick grove]

Oh okay

[red oasis]

do you guys think shaeffer actually solod KDS deep

hammer kite only

no food

[eternal talon]

It's not canonical for them to be able to do that, they didn't before, it's a bug.

[eternal talon]

No, because he went there before the infestation

Or at least before it got too bad

[past matrix]

yeah, peter.

[red oasis]

oh

so you dont know

crazy

[past matrix]

the more accurate lore question is if schaeffer solod r4e1 tbh

which the answer is yes, although it took him 30 hours to circle kite the first s1 scan since the s1 scans were messed up because of the sleepers hacking into the game and making solo expeditions with s scans much harder

[eternal talon]

Can you guys just please stop

[red oasis]

omg

i wish this was important

[gentle minnow]

stfu Peter, respect his authority, this is his channel

[eternal talon]

Who said that?

What is on with you guys

[red oasis]

i lobe you

[eternal talon]

Lobe?

What on earth does that mean

[red oasis]

yee

can we keep this chat lore related

[eternal talon]

Preferably

That's what I've been saying for 5 minutes

[shut mountain]

Alrighty fellas, settle down. Avoid poking each other please. Frostty, do keep in mind that even if people word some of their lore theories in a bit of a humorous way, like Peter did about Shaeffer's "solo" in KDS deep, it can still be a serious discussion in the end because the topic of it can be discussed in a serious manner. The fact that this is a serious channel allows for some minor humour for the lore, as well as theories. They do not have to check every single fact of the game ticked. As long as it is not trolling, discussion about the lore can and should flow naturally, even if it can be wild occassionaly.

[eternal talon]

Wtf

[quick grove]

Uh oh

[eternal talon]

Yeah that's fine, I gave a serious answer to that one too

[safe cargo]

i feel rly discriminated agaisnt in this discord

idk who to contact

[eternal talon]

Wdym?

[red oasis]

chris you know how schaeffer solod KDS deep

[shut mountain]

Mod mail

[eternal talon]

^

[safe cargo]

what if the mods are the one discriminating agaisnt me

then who do i contact

[shut mountain]

Calle

aka the CM

[eternal talon]

^

[shut mountain]

You can always toss him a direct message if you have any worries

[eternal talon]

How do you type so damn fast

[safe cargo]

ive said 2 much

[eternal talon]

?

[red oasis]

lets talk about kds deep and not the speed at which we type

[safe cargo]

typing speed is unrelated to gtfo lore

[red oasis]

because do you think he actually just dropped the other way

there is another drop station at the end

because thats not actually a world record if he did it like that

[quick grove]

@shut mountain i feel like the Peter,Robert and Chris accounts talking in here are alts

[gentle minnow]

what

[safe cargo]

just because ur overexposed to ppl who need to flair up their discord profiles with anime badges 2 the point where regular names r alien 2 u

doesnt mean were the same person

like the aliens in GTFO

crazy lore

what planet do u think those flying aleins are from

[eternal talon]

Technically speaking we don't know

[rocky wraith]

I reckon Destination

[eternal talon]

Destination it would seem is likely somewhere in the butterfly nebula

But we don't have specifics of any sort.

[rocky wraith]

the size of nemesis on D1 makes me thing they originated there. But of course that depends on how the ancient Destination civilisation collapsed

[eternal talon]

That, we actually have zero information about

[rocky wraith]

We can infer and speculate

[eternal talon]

Though realistically, probably the parasite or the virus

Likely both

[rocky wraith]

reckon the fliers and nemesis were the culmination of the infection on Destination once the biomass reached a certain threshold(?)

like the final forms of the Allens post infection

[eternal talon]

It's not

A physical description of a likely allen is given in the edgar/teal log

Though weither infected or not, it's nothing like the floaters or kraken.

[rocky wraith]

But given how much the sleepers deviate from the host

[eternal talon]

It's bipedal.

[rocky wraith]

And mothers are quadruped

[safe cargo]

wow AWESOME

[eternal talon]

It's described as like two people stitched together

It's nothing similar to the floaters

[rocky wraith]

Natural mutations and evolution could allow the allen infected sleepers to deviate enough, given that the meteorite must have taken millions of years to reach us even with speedy MWP

[eternal talon]

Besides, bipedal to quadruped is a far, FAR smaller gap to cross than flying to walking

[rocky wraith]

In millions of years anything can happen

[eternal talon]

Over generations, yes. You would be correct.

[rocky wraith]

The sleepers already have a natural ability to manipulate energy

[eternal talon]

But the creatures in the meteor were hibernating

[rocky wraith]

shooters etc

[rocky wraith]

exactly

[eternal talon]

?

Wdym exactly

[rocky wraith]

gimme a secc to explain

trust me its a lot

[eternal talon]

Evolution can't occur within a single generation to such a major degree

In any species

You can't be an Olympic swimmer, then chuck your daughter in the pacific ocean and expect her to live there full time like a fish

It's unrealistic

[finite vine]

well we don't know if they are extinct or not.

[eternal talon]

i mean that is a fair assesment, but still

[eternal talon]

also why tf won't it let me react to this with 🐟

[rocky wraith]

message was too long so sent as file

[rocky wraith]

65 million years basically

This quite roughly lines up with the timeline

so I'm happy with it

[finite vine]

sleepers were a problem before anyone found the matter wave projector though.

[rocky wraith]

But obviously it will change

[rocky wraith]

Were they though?

[finite vine]

yes

[rocky wraith]

They were only mentioned post energy release according to logs

which is long after they started teleporting

[finite vine]

true, and the MWP was found post energy release

like months after

the Hammerstein collection

[rocky wraith]

Post energy release everyone started dying and it all fell to bits

How could they set up the bases on destination?

no one alive to do so

[finite vine]

no, the complex was operational for a good time after post energy release, (October 2053)

[rocky wraith]

Yup you are right

I see it now

heck

And I thought I was doing so well

[finite vine]

a lot of your theory could still hold up though.

[rocky wraith]

yeah, but its still pretty rough

[finite vine]

its just that sleepers or parasites were inside the egg before humans breached it

[rocky wraith]

Its so hard to pinpoint when sleepers suddenly existed

[finite vine]

yea, it really is.

[rocky wraith]

SMC really wanted nobody to mention it

[finite vine]

yea I wish we had more info on it

[rocky wraith]

Only Shafer even INFERRED to them which nobody else even tried

Like as if most others didn't even know about them

[finite vine]

I think that sleepers were a problem before the energy bursts, because Shaeffer uses the term "Sleepers" during a email to Artus

[rocky wraith]

that was an email after the burst

when there was a massive influx of them in the lower levels

[finite vine]

yea but it was like right after it.

so he knew about the sleepers before hand.

[rocky wraith]

yup because he already had a name for them

and was unsurprised at them

[finite vine]

he's only a tier C personnel. So the name had to be running around.

[finite vine]

yea

[rocky wraith]

but trying to work out when before that is practically impossible for us until we get more logs

BTW I figured out why the Warden was wanting PID's

like in the secondary of R6D3

[finite vine]

I think the "energy bursts" were created from breaking into "The Inner" which was inside "The egg". So SMC could of already broke into the egg and those tunnels, and there were probably sleepers (or parasites) there.

[rocky wraith]

Because each PID is coded to a vaulted box which contains materials which were of the highest importance to the personal

[rocky wraith]

true, there were lots of "voids" and corridors

[finite vine]

vaulted box?

[rocky wraith]

"*** All personnel are limited to (1) N - 137B Storage Unit for personal belongings. All N - 137Bs must be screened for biological and radioactive matter then tagged with a PID number. The units can then be claimed at the appropriate Pneumatic Delivery center on the surface. Any unmarked N - 137Bs will be sealed in the sub-level 02 vault indefinitely.***"

This was during lockdown procedures described just before the energy release

[finite vine]

oh cool

there could be other uses for them as well, ones that are not listed. like when someone is hired, they are given a PID number, and its used for multiple things. nice catch though.

[rocky wraith]

ye

the timing of the hammerstein collection being made 9 days before the energy release seems a little coincidental, however it may also be due to them picking up more artifacts the closer they get to the inner

[finite vine]

yea, they obviously found something big down there

something with a lot of energy

[rocky wraith]

Allen space reactor?

The egg seems to be some form of spacetravel thing by all accounts so far

so stands to reason it should have something capable of creating a tonne of energy

[finite vine]

yea, that's what I was thinking. like a spaceship or something.