THIS
#gtfo-lore
rocky wraith
Yo chill my guy
empty aspen
B a s e d
rocky wraith
Its literally in the lists they keep putting out
rocky wraith
give me a link
I don't save the files
eternal talon
files from where???
eternal talon
what do you mean messages between terminals?
analog frigate
which rundown are they from so i can get them? @rocky wraith
rocky wraith
what do you mean messages between terminals?
The different scientists when they are trying to work out whats going on
south lake
Yo chill my guy
Welcome to Frostty in a nutshell.
eternal talon
what the fuck do you mean
south lake
rocky wraith
which rundown are they from so i can get them? <@328997209045729281>
R6, BX i think has a list, plus the one where warden is requesting the list of items illegally
analog frigate
also are they normal logs or the random ones that just appear on monitors that are just on?
rocky wraith
also are they normal logs or the random ones that just appear on monitors that a...
A bit of both
eternal talon
the auto-gen logs aren't cannon
rocky wraith
the auto-gen logs aren't cannon
not them
analog frigate
it's not the auto-gen ones
rocky wraith
what scientists?
I don't remember their names lol
dusky canopy
bruh moment
rocky wraith
yus, this one shows that the infections persist despite time in hsu
And was during the beginnings of discovering NAM-V
analog frigate
although this doesn't really mention the things you said prior about what is used in the tubes, storing sleepers
rocky wraith
I think once they discovered that, they began cultivating and growing sleepers in the fluid
analog frigate
which i believe is what lostty questioned
rocky wraith
although this doesn't really mention the things you said prior about what is use...
storing sleepers is all around the place, the fluid they sit in I would imagine is the stasis fluid as they are in stasis
analog frigate
but it does appear that they used HSU fluid or at least something closely related to it from the log
yeah
rocky wraith
Another 2 or three logs, 1 from the warden requesting it with a bunch of stuff to grow its vessel
another from scientists requesting the stuff for their experiments
subtle verge
Sorry late response, Trials in D2 is being a pain. They're not brain-dead, per se, but considered medically dead for all intents and purposes.
rocky wraith
Which makes it perfect for keeping the sleepers in for stasis while they grow
analog frigate
they don't really "grow" them
it's either studying how they infect the individual or after the transformation, research purposes
rocky wraith
they don't really "grow" them
half of them show umbilicals
often tethered to another tumerous growth
analog frigate
then it would make sense for them to study their growth after they are born
the ones that are at least
rocky wraith
true, but you are missing one of the most important kind of experiments you do
which is to introduce selective mutations during the embryo stage and grow them fully, the phenotype that displays shows the dysfunction of the gene whether epistatically hidden or not.
which allows the scientists to grow their genome database
with actual data
which is why they have the pMOTHER samples
the neonates etc
because its one of the normal tests any molecular biologist would run
analog frigate
that would correlate with the apparent highly active epigenetics that the sleepers have, as to change to fit a need in the hive
rocky wraith
I wouldn't completely say epigenetics as it could also be somatic hypermutation or some other regulatory sequence that is prebuilt into the genome etc, but yes
introducing mutations and growing them in hsu. literally the most basic of experiments
analog frigate
well epigenetics in terms of changing the method in which they mutate, as to fit a needed role, its activation being some possible hormones
which could either be delivered by some "overseer" type sleeper in the area, that dictates which sleeper needs to fulfill a certain role, or internally as a main part of the growth stage before becoming a juvenile
technically could be after becoming a juvenile, seeing as the baby sleepers exist, and those could conform to a specific form before mutating into something else
analog frigate
which could either be delivered by some "overseer" type sleeper in the area, tha...
also i doubt the latter one is the case, since it would make more sense if it was dictated from the outside
eternal talon
this log doesn't say jack diddly about about "growing sleepers"
rocky wraith
this log doesn't say jack diddly about about "growing sleepers"
we covered that
eternal talon
yus, this one shows that the infections persist despite time in hsu
it says the exact opposite of this
rocky wraith
well epigenetics in terms of changing the method in which they mutate, as to fit...
Epigenetics refers much more to regulation of intensity of expression rather than as a switch
analog frigate
an issue i see is communication between the two known branches of sleepers, the flying destination ones and the normal ones in garganta, but i guess that could be somehow unneeded
except biology is my weakest so i'm not sure
rocky wraith
it says the exact opposite of this
This is for the first nam-v infected patients
rocky wraith
it says the exact opposite of this
where they didn't know what it was yet
eternal talon
This is for the first nam-v infected patients
nope, it says that nothing survives even a few hours in hydrostasis
rocky wraith
nope, it says that nothing survives even a few hours in hydrostasis
Yet nobody survives NAM-v?
eternal talon
that any issues are psychological NOT biological
analog frigate
nope, it says that nothing survives even a few hours in hydrostasis
nothing survives unless they want it to
rocky wraith
that any issues are psychological NOT biological
because they haven't discovered that it can survive through it
eternal talon
Yet nobody survives NAM-v?
only kovac had HSUs. not the surface or ANYBODY else
rocky wraith
otherwise everybody would be treated
rocky wraith
only kovac had HSUs. not the surface or ANYBODY else
The HSUs come from europe and were being mass produced
eternal talon
and even kovac had limited supply, somewhere around 32k total
eternal talon
The HSUs come from europe and were being mass produced
where oh where, does it say that?
analog frigate
The HSUs come from europe and were being mass produced
they were private though, also a complete secret
eternal talon
honestly half of your posts in the past hour have been complete nonsense
rocky wraith
and even kovac had limited supply, somewhere around 32k total
and that is more than enough for everyone in garganta to stay healthy
rocky wraith
they were private though, also a complete secret
partial except for the fact the US senate knows about it all too
analog frigate
and even kovac had limited supply, somewhere around 32k total
32k capacity, then around 15k filled
eternal talon
and that is more than enough for everyone in garganta to stay healthy
no it isn't. they have KSOs for them too
rocky wraith
32k capacity, then around 15k filled
Plenty enough to prevent spread
analog frigate
also we know that they supposedly had offsite locations
eternal talon
and KSOs shoot to kill anyone in restricted areas
eternal talon
also we know that they supposedly had offsite locations
they moved into garganta tho, their entire operation
analog frigate
partial except for the fact the US senate knows about it all too
the UN started to know about it, except it didn't really matter since people were dying en masse
rocky wraith
and KSOs shoot to kill anyone in restricted areas
Unless the upper class go like, "hey maybe don't do that"
eternal talon
Unless the upper class go like, "hey maybe don't do that"
KSOs aren't controlled by the "upper class" lol
they work for BIOCOM
what biocom says, goes.
rocky wraith
the UN started to know about it, except it didn't really matter since people wer...
The US senate funded 500 million for KSO's tests and experiments
eternal talon
biocom has the army. not SMC
analog frigate
The US senate funded 500 million for KSO's tests and experiments
which log was that since i need to refresh my memory
rocky wraith
KSOs aren't controlled by the "upper class" lol
By the leaders of KSO
the KSo company thingy
eternal talon
By the leaders of KSO
biocom runs their company's operations..
analog frigate
i remember something there about HSUs being made with cooperation between the US military and KDS
eternal talon
they feed it data, it's a supercomputer
rocky wraith
they feed it data, it's a supercomputer
Yes, and somebody controls biocom
eternal talon
Yes, and somebody controls biocom
name one person ever who said that.
i double dare you
eternal talon
and it runs their company
rocky wraith
they even check through its stacks
analog frigate
Yes, and somebody controls biocom
controlled*, currently we don't know if it has outside influence
rocky wraith
they can change it
analog frigate
name one person ever who said that.
they did in fact control it
analog frigate
including all it's access
eternal talon
not control it
rocky wraith
they did
eternal talon
who would make a machine they couldn't control?
tell that to the terminator franchise
rocky wraith
tell that to the terminator franchise
completely different scenario
eternal talon
completely different scenario
not really.
they make the machine to run their army.
same as kovac
they had zero control over skynet
rocky wraith
and the brass control skynet
rocky wraith
they had zero control over skynet
Not on purpose did they lose control
analog frigate
actually SMC since that log was by the head of SMC
rocky wraith
they designed it so they could control Skynet
analog frigate
after the BIOCOM tampered with the electrical system and almost overloaded it
rocky wraith
literally what the guy tells the president in Terminator 3(?)
analog frigate
they definitely did before
rocky wraith
So kovac controls it
eternal talon
So kovac controls it
kovac made it
rocky wraith
kovac made it
therefore they would control it
eternal talon
therefore they would control it
they didn't though
they kept giving it it's demands for power
they gave it what it asked for
rocky wraith
they kept giving it it's demands for power
no, they restricted it and said no
eternal talon
and eventually, it refused to answer them
eternal talon
no, they restricted it and said no
what you say didn't happen
analog frigate
and eventually, it refused to answer them
i would appreciate if you could point to the log
analog frigate
what you say didn't happen
definitely did
eternal talon
i would appreciate if you could point to the log
yep. 1 sec
rocky wraith
It even got logged by the SMC that it was requesting power and were saying not to give it because the power would overload KDS deep
eternal talon
because i actually can
eternal talon
It even got logged by the SMC that it was requesting power and were saying not t...
SMC HAS NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER OF BIOCOM
please stop that misinformation
rocky wraith
SMC HAS NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER OF BIOCOM
then who was going through its stacks to maintain it??
Because that was defo a log
100%
eternal talon
it wasn't
analog frigate
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged
Mr. Piros,
I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. Care to explain?
PCS alert: *unauthorized access logged*
Date: 04/05/2054
AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Port closed.
Please contact a CPDS administrator.```sorry for the giant log mess
but i couldn't link it properly
eternal talon
that wasn't even the one i was looking for
that happens twice
BIOCOM holds all the cards
analog frigate
that's the one stating that they denied it access
rocky wraith
```D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagg...
THis one
eternal talon
rocky wraith
they literally denied warden power
eternal talon
and biocom literally denied it's staff controls of their own complex
analog frigate
who is d017?
analog frigate
ah
analog frigate
i know who artus is
eternal talon
a systems engineer
@rocky wraith
not having access to their own systems...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
rocky wraith
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yup
eternal talon
rocky wraith
they built it so they could control it
rocky wraith
and it eventually overrode that
eternal talon
that port closed log is them overloading the grid
rocky wraith
smc. and kovac have no control over biocom
They USED TO
rocky wraith
that was the point
eternal talon
"" the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. Care to explain?
""
rocky wraith
THE POINT WAS THAT THEY USED TO CONTROL IT
analog frigate
we don't have a date for that log though, could be after warden came to be
rocky wraith
not that they lost control
eternal talon
THE POINT WAS THAT THEY USED TO CONTROL IT
blatantly wrong
eternal talon
we don't have a date for that log though, could be after warden came to be
we do
it's november 25, 2056
rocky wraith
blatantly wrong
So why did the systems engineer think that they could??????
eternal talon
for the biocom audio intercept
analog frigate
oh yeah i'm stupid
eternal talon
So why did the systems engineer think that they could??????
BECAUSE HUMANS ARE DUMB LONG LIVE THE RISE OF THE MACHINES
rocky wraith
the engineer clearly could do something before that it couldn't now
you are literally ignoring the point
analog frigate
artus is SMC, not KDS. 2056 is supposedly when the biocom started no longer beingmitself
eternal talon
what wrdn grants, wrdn can so easily take away
eternal talon
regardless, this is biocom through and through
they "control" it because it lets them
they gave a self-aware ai the keys to an arsenal to destroy themselves
rocky wraith
"Which is why the revelation that Hydrostasis causes long-term memory damage may offer some insight into the problems on board Red Alpha on the day of" here it says as well that HSU memory damage is an UNINTENDED SIDE EFFECT not amnesiacs
eternal talon
"Which is why the revelation that Hydrostasis causes long-term memory damage may...
ah, going back to a previous point because you lost the arguement?
as i said before,
rocky wraith
ah, going back to a previous point because you lost the arguement?
no because I came across that rn
eternal talon
amestics could be part of the drugs given in hydrostasis to help improve it
rocky wraith
they "control" it because it lets them
but till that point they controlled it
eternal talon
yes memory loss was a side effect, and they took it and ran with it
rocky wraith
literally even you said that
eternal talon
BECAUSE IT LET THEM
rocky wraith
yes memory loss was a side effect, and they took it and ran with it
Earlier you said it was amnesiacs
eternal talon
oh my fucking god
no
nobody is arguing that it doesn't induce memory loss
i also said that earlier
rocky wraith
BECAUSE IT LET THEM
YOU HAVE NO PROOF, it could have been it worked out how to deny control mid way through, but you can't conclude one or the other
eternal talon
we were talking about what the drugs were
eternal talon
YOU HAVE NO PROOF, it could have been it worked out how to deny control mid way ...
hahahahaha
"Considering the expected initiation date, I need help. For BIOCOM to perform autonomously it requires unrestricted access to the host infrastructure. We are able to use the temporary location in Hangar 4 while we wait for Deep to be completed, but we cannot function without full access, regardless of where the organics are located."
UNRESTRICTED ACCESS
YW, coolbeanz
rocky wraith
" I have also reiterated that he will have override codes to limit BIOCOM access in case of an emergency."
YW losty
they used to have control
then they lost it
eternal talon
who will have override codes?
analog frigate
andrew
eternal talon
hmmmmmmmmm
analog frigate
who is dead
eternal talon
THE MAN WHO IS FUCKING DEAD
rocky wraith
Andrew Clinton
rocky wraith
THE MAN WHO IS FUCKING DEAD
WHEN THOUGH
eternal talon
1 SEC
analog frigate
UNRESTRICTED ACCESS
there is a difference between unrestricted access and completely out of control
sure, it can go through all the systems
eternal talon
WHEN THOUGH
rocky wraith
literally 2 years later
analog frigate
doesn't mean it can't be restricted or prohibited from doing something afterwards
rocky wraith
They long had control
which is my point
And that is well within the timeframe for the NAM-V to be treated with HSUs
therefor
why couldn't the HSUs treat infected??? oh yeah, BECAUSE IT CAN'T
eternal talon
there is a difference between unrestricted access and completely out of control
During the first week of August, MRT responded on-site to 31 incidents. 19 incidents occurred in Level 27 alone. Gaining access to the mines was challenging, as KDS are strictly controlling all movement within Garganta. In the second week of August, the mines were designated as an exclusion zone, directly under the control of BIOCOM. Since then there have been dozens of unreported incidents that Kovac Defense Services have simply elected not to disclose to MRT.
eternal talon
why couldn't the HSUs treat infected??? oh yeah, BECAUSE IT CAN'T
bruh. it literally does
but that doesn't mean they can't catch it again
rocky wraith
bruh. it literally does
says where?
eternal talon
it's a treatment, not a cure
oh my fucking god\
we already linked it
but fine
i'll go get it AGAIN
rocky wraith
it literally doesn't mention it
analog frigate
And that is well within the timeframe for the NAM-V to be treated with HSUs
(we don't actually know what it is but it's something around that)
analog frigate
During the first week of August, MRT responded on-site to 31 incidents. 19 incid...
that just says that SMC didn't have control over it, but KDS did
rocky wraith
and KDS would have answered to SMC
eternal talon
it says "DIRECTLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF BIOCOM"
eternal talon
and KDS would have answered to SMC
hahahahaha, that's not how kovac works
kovac has a mountain of dirt on smc
rocky wraith
it says "DIRECTLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF BIOCOM"
Which again is controlled by Andrew
eternal talon
Which again is controlled by Andrew
who again is dead
rocky wraith
kovac has a mountain of dirt on smc
and vice versa
eternal talon
and vice versa
not really
rocky wraith
who again is dead
but not during the time NAM-V would have been treated with HSUs
analog frigate
it says "DIRECTLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF BIOCOM"
that means that they gave it access, not that it got it itself
eternal talon
by the time smc gets dirt on kovac the world is already going to shit
rocky wraith
not really
KDS was literally breaking a tonne of laws
the whole legion program is off the rails
eternal talon
KDS was literally breaking a tonne of laws
who cares? it's mexico and the mexican government is working directly with kovac
they make the laws
analog frigate
who cares? it's mexico and the mexican government is working directly with kovac
that's unknown
rocky wraith
who cares? it's mexico and the mexican government is working directly with kovac
Because KDS was receiving millions in funding from the US and other countries
analog frigate
we only know that they made a deal with gustavo
someone in power specifically in the yucatan
not the entirety of the government
eternal talon
kovac got them to set up a quarantine zone
rocky wraith
The report on KDS to the senate literally says they are sketchy af and funding should be withdrawn
eternal talon
and declare martial law
analog frigate
also the UN was breathing down their necks constantly
analog frigate
kovac got them to set up a quarantine zone
that was in the yucatan
analog frigate
and declare martial law
i believe that was venezuela
eternal talon
i believe that was venezuela
nope, this is in mexico
that happened twice
As I mentioned in our original discussion (I have attached the Hearsay recording for your review), the Santonian employee contract is very clear on the punishment for entering restricted areas. Kovac Defensive Services have a comprehensive contract with both the Santonian Mining Company and the Mexican government that allows Kovac to establish martial law and "administrate punitive consequence" over any person within the exclusion zone. This is not just a company contract, it is national law.
@analog frigate
kovac word is literally law
and yes, lookie there, @rocky wraith , smc agreed upon it. in a contract even.
rocky wraith
and yes, lookie there, <@328997209045729281> , smc agreed upon it. in a contract...
But that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't treat the workers with HSUs
analog frigate
how is that martial law in mexico?
rocky wraith
they know it makes sleepers
analog frigate
it only says that an employee was shot on sight after entering a restricted area
eternal talon
how is that martial law in mexico?
Kovac Defensive Services have a comprehensive contract with both the Santonian Mining Company and the** Mexican government that allows Kovac to establish martial law** and "administrate punitive consequence" over any person within the exclusion zone. This is not just a company contract, it is national law.
what are you talking about daraxus?
analog frigate
that's again yucatan
analog frigate
i would prefer if you tone down your sass and arrogance
analog frigate
national. what's the definition of that word, daraxus?
the government of a nation allowed it
therefore by mexican law, that was declared so
doesn't mean that a private company can declare martial law on the entire country
eternal talon
rocky wraith
chill the fuck out frosty
analog frigate
it specifies that they can enforce it within the exclusion zone
eternal talon
it specifies that they can enforce it within the exclusion zone
yes
but they still have complete and total control
they make the laws there
analog frigate
over the exclusion zone
eternal talon
yes
eternal talon
KDS was literally breaking a tonne of laws
^
analog frigate
i don't see how that connects with your previous statement that they can enforce martial law over the country
eternal talon
they weren't breaking the law technically, because they changed the law fundamentally
eternal talon
i don't see how that connects with your previous statement that they can enforce...
that's not what i was talking about
analog frigate
they were still breaking international laws, including the geneva convention, which mexico has signed
all protocols at that
they did have the right to do what they wanted, since as i mentioned, they had gustavo at their hand
and he supposedly had influence in the country
mainly over the yucatan
rocky wraith
and how does this stop them treating the infected in the HSU's?
analog frigate
(although if he was a politician, it wouldn't be unlikely that it would be everywhere else in general as well)
eternal talon
and how does this stop them treating the infected in the HSU's?
it doesn't but really it just shows they don't have to if they don't want to,
and by the time that it would be an issue, piros is dead,
and the only thing with hsu access is biocom
rocky wraith
it doesn't but really it just shows they don't have to if they don't want to,
true, but that is counter productive to their goals
analog frigate
if this argument is to be settled, make your points again
rocky wraith
and by the time that it would be an issue, piros is dead,
2 years Andrew could have let them, and considering it only takes 5 weeks for NAM-V to kill? doesn't make sense
analog frigate
a descriptive text of what exactly you think
eternal talon
nobody was treated in HSU because prios is dead and biocom has free reign to lockdown the zone, which it did.
analog frigate
since otherwise we will spin around in circles trying to prove unrelated things
rocky wraith
Point 1. The scientists thought nothing could survive HSU initially
Point 2. NAM-V continued to plague workers despite being treated with HSU's
Point 3. Scientists initially assumed that NAM-V was a purely psychological effect until the physical symptoms began to show because they thought Point 1.
Point 4. Because sleepers continued to appear and people continued to be infected despite having access to HSU's they must have given up on using HSU's to treat the victims despite having access to thousands of them.
Conclusion: HSU cannot treat NAM-V, and can only put it into stasis along with the host. Therefore giving everybody 5 weeks to live outside of HSU's.
Because of the stasis effects of HSU fluid, it COULD be the fluid used to preserve the sleepers and potentially even grow them if the correct stuff is added as well, (eg. growth hormones and proteins etc)
eternal talon
nothing at all says point 2 happened, and thus point 4
also counter point:
we don't ever get nam-v in-game and die
rocky wraith
nothing at all says point 2 happened, and thus point 4
The BAT results
eternal talon
despite fighting sleepers constantly
eternal talon
The BAT results
says nothing about treating nam-v with hsu
rocky wraith
says nothing about treating nam-v with hsu
because they hadn't classified it as an actual illness yet
they thought it was psychological up to that point
eternal talon
hadn't they?
when was this log @analog frigate
also, how do we not die of nam-v then in-game?
analog frigate
when was this log <@544486890838032401>
BX i believe
eternal talon
BX i believe
no, in the timeline
analog frigate
i don't think it has a date
rocky wraith
also, how do we not die of nam-v then in-game?
because we are being kept in HSU when not running around for a few hours
analog frigate
moment
eternal talon
before or after nam-v is considered a virus
rocky wraith
5 weeks is a lot of hours
eternal talon
because we are being kept in HSU when not running around for a few hours
we've been in the complex for years though, and nam-v kills very very fast
rocky wraith
we've been in the complex for years though, and nam-v kills very very fast
Could possibly be avoiding it because of the equipment?
the gasmasks and such
eternal talon
they aren't gas masks
rocky wraith
limiting exposure
eternal talon
they are dust filters
something something ultrafine particles
like sawdust, that you'd see people wear at mills
analog frigate
Could possibly be avoiding it because of the equipment?
that's a lost argument instantly, since we don't really know much of anything about their equipment
rocky wraith
true for rock dust
analog frigate
also it definitely has been the HSUs keeping us alive
rocky wraith
that's a lost argument instantly, since we don't really know much of anything ab...
there were some logs about it
analog frigate
didn't mention specifics sadly
rocky wraith
specifically about the parasite getting through certain clothing?
eternal talon
getting through hazmat
which is way, WAAAY more resistant than what we have
also, that's the parasite
not nam-v
rocky wraith
true
analog frigate
the parasite carrying NAM-V
eternal talon
also true
analog frigate
that's what the log mentioned
eternal talon
given we are not dead,
rocky wraith
But 5 weeks to die is a long time considering each mission should on average take a few hours
eternal talon
it MUST cure nam-v
analog frigate
so i doubt it goes around without a carrier
eternal talon
so i doubt it goes around without a carrier
well i mean it got to the surface,
and got out years before the parasite did
rocky wraith
it MUST cure nam-v
but then that becomes paradoxical to the fact that why wasn't everyone else treated with it?
eternal talon
but then that becomes paradoxical to the fact that why wasn't everyone else trea...
i just told you
rocky wraith
The workers continued to suffer as well
eternal talon
piros is dead, the only one that can control biocom, and biocom has access to all the HSUs
rocky wraith
the miners were suffering and nobody ever mentions it being curable
eternal talon
all of KDS deep and much more is under lockdown by biocom and it's KSOs
rocky wraith
but that leaves those 2 years of Andrews control unaccounted for
rocky wraith
i think?
analog frigate
piros definitely died before artus
eternal talon
piros definitely died before artus
well yeah? artus is around near the very end
rocky wraith
"A memorial service for Andrew will be held once social interaction limitations have been relaxed. We are following the recommended WHO guidelines to combat NAM-V even here in Garganta, the safest place you could be right now. As a reminder, we should all do our bit:"
here they only follow the guidlines for fighting nam-v by preventing infection, not by treating it
eternal talon
given the side-effects of hydrostasis,
they could have also just seen it as not a viable option
rocky wraith
given the side-effects of hydrostasis,
You could understand the argument against using HSU for treatment given the sideeffects are horrible
but when the choice is a few missing memories or death...
eternal talon
hey man, when nam-v first started adapting to humanity,
it was weak, and not that lethal at first
it was pretty minor
but severity increased over time
rocky wraith
Was it?
eternal talon
like a game of plague inc
rocky wraith
real zoonotic transfers are hardly that nice
eternal talon
people were going insane yeeears before it started killing people en mass
rocky wraith
that doesn't make sense
eternal talon
i have no idea what those words mean
rocky wraith
hang on a second
rocky wraith
i have no idea what those words mean
Don't worry about it
eternal talon
well now that you say that now i gotta
rocky wraith
got something I want to discuss as well
rocky wraith
well now that you say that now i gotta
basically mutagenesis is in response to how much a microorganism changes. so for retroviruses the mutation rate can usually depend on it's Reverse transcriptase enzyme. depending how good it is at replicating the viral genome depends on how much subsequent generations differ from the original, in effect how much variation it can develop quickly. The pathogenicity is in reference to how dangerous it is to the host, so when a change caused by a mutation affects the pathogenic effects on the host, it usually emerges through a protein that now functions to increase the virality (gain of function) or through recombination with coinfecting agents that may carry a pathogenicity island, (a section of the viral genome which causes illness in host)
for NAM-V as a zoonotic transfer from an infection that has no relatives on earth, recombination is slim imo, and its normal mutation rate should probably be slow, given that that the effects are highly consistent and cause such specific results
especially because it is co-evolved with the parasite, it shouldn't change as much as the viruses normally found here
so
anyway
something else I want to poke at
rocky wraith
rocky wraith
specifically
I am a third year student studying molecular and cellular biology at university
rocky wraith
Right here it says infection levels: low
what is the nrv probe?
and cortex interface injection
analog frigate
what is the nrv probe?
unknown to me
rocky wraith
does this imply that the squad are already infected and that the interface injection means the KSO's are getting stuck with needles while in HSU
analog frigate
and cortex interface injection
i believe it's loading the actual interface to the neural cortex
analog frigate
does this imply that the squad are already infected and that the interface injec...
would appear so
dauda himself said that we're all infected
rocky wraith
Which adds proof to HSU not curing NAM-V and they are all on a count down
eternal talon
i think it's moreso HSU time kills it, but you can catch it again
analog frigate
Which adds proof to HSU not curing NAM-V and they are all on a count down
well they definitely delay it of sorts
eternal talon
you don't build an immunity,
you just cleanse your body of it
between expeditions
analog frigate
something similar to what the manchester hospital log said
rocky wraith
Because the NAM-V probably sits in the spinal serum, it is likely that the HSU's may be able to reduce viral load, but are unable to completely clear
rocky wraith
otherwise we'd all be dead
Unless the warden is being careful with how much time the squad are outside of HSU
eternal talon
given it's 100% lethality rate, insanely high infection rate, and we would have had it for years were that the case, we'd still be dead
rocky wraith
5 weeks, with high consistancy
eternal talon
Unless the warden is being careful with how much time the squad are outside of H...
we get sent out to support other squads, look at c3
we are basically constantly on the move
rocky wraith
we get sent out to support other squads, look at c3
Possibly because we are being pulled down more often by Shafer
mentioned in CX
eternal talon
wdym "pulled down"?
rocky wraith
he may be hurrying us both to salvation or our own death
rocky wraith
wdym "pulled down"?
You seen the hidden room with Shafers log?
eternal talon
wrdn wouldn't send us to a place where schaeffer could free us
schaeffer wants to break us free to fight back against the wrdn
rocky wraith
Shafer specifically looks for all four of us
eternal talon
well yeah, we are the ultimate squad
rocky wraith
so why does Warden go along with it?
eternal talon
the pinnacle of project legion
eternal talon
so why does Warden go along with it?
he didn't, Kovac did
kovac strived for the perfect squad, warden finally put it together
kovac talks about it in the frequencies log
eternal talon
yet Shafer specifically hand picked us
long after the wrdn already had us
schaeffer only breaks free in r4
3 rundowns after we are assembled by wrdn
rocky wraith
then its very weird the way shafer chooses us then
because he includes a range of others as well
eternal talon
there are a lot of weird things with schaeffer.
rocky wraith
inbetween each choice
eternal talon
like how his hsu got out of KDS deep, among other things
analog frigate
then its very weird the way shafer chooses us then
he appears to pick us on random for out specialty
eternal talon
he's not an allen, we know when he was born and hired
rocky wraith
he appears to pick us on random for out specialty
exactly, so was it pure coincidence that we were already in a squad?
eternal talon
exactly, so was it pure coincidence that we were already in a squad?
likely
analog frigate
exactly, so was it pure coincidence that we were already in a squad?
unknown
rocky wraith
coincidences, in this game?
analog frigate
there are some theories though
eternal talon
our squad itself is a bit of an oddity,
given the squad's backgrounds, you wouldn't think they'd work well together
analog frigate
i don't see how that's the case
rocky wraith
given the squad's backgrounds, you wouldn't think they'd work well together
Bonds forged in fire are the strongest of all
eternal talon
i don't see how that's the case
an corporate hacker, an psychopathic irishman, an insane catholic US army vet, and a doctor without morals.
analog frigate
from personal experience i can tell you that that isn't unreasonable at all
eternal talon
... what do you mean personal experience???
analog frigate
prefer not to share
rocky wraith
eternal talon
https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-impossible-perhaps-the-archives-are-incomplete-gif-14446354
rocky wraith
here we are discussing theories as if the archives are complete
R7 is going to bonk us so hard
rocky wraith
https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485
Literally us 3 yelling at each other
analog frigate
i was eating food so less yelling and more so muffled speech
rocky wraith
muffled conspiracy yelling
analog frigate
in the bucket
rocky wraith
WHERE ARE YOU HIDING THEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjVbVhBu7UY SHOW US THE ALLENS
rocky wraith
I reckon its a 50/50 to what that person saw deep in the mines, or is something completely different
eternal talon
he said it looked like two bodies stitched together
and it teleported
that is far and away from anything we have ever seen before
the question is;
can r7 live up to how much r6 changed as compared to past rundowns
can it live up to that new standard set
past matrix
If they make do of the promises from years ago it could
They still need to add things like steam achievements and player progression
past matrix
Well from what they said, it would be getting more shit the further in a rundown you are (like guns and whatnot)
eternal talon
Well from what they said, it would be getting more shit the further in a rundown...
i have a feeling, that that would cause problems with people playing with mods
past matrix
Any sort of progression outside of "complete this expedition to unlock the next one" would be nice
eternal talon
getting access to stuff
rocky wraith
I thought they already stated they weren't going to help support mods
it wasn't their goal
past matrix
getting access to stuff
Yeah but any form of it would be able to be modded in
For example iirc getting all apparel was easily possible a few days after r6
You could unlock every expedition easily via modding, etc
Tbh the only way I think r7 can be on the same level of r6 is
-adding everything on the backlog
Or
-adding the snatcher finally
rocky wraith
snatcher?
pine agate
I'm just gonna place all my bets on the E1
rocky wraith
wtf is a snatcher
past matrix
Thing at the end of the first trailer
It is implied that it would hunt down players who would stray from their team
pine agate
It's an enemy that was featured at the end of the E3 trailer of the game.
past matrix
And it's also implied it would snatch people and run away with them
rocky wraith
Well that's mildly terrifying
eternal talon
I thought they already stated they weren't going to help support mods
exactly
past matrix
People thought we were going to get it in r5 since schaeffer mentions "snatchers" in r4e1
But 10cc couldn't even develop a second enemy variant in time
pine agate
I think he's just giving the sleepers another name, but who knows.
analog frigate
snatchers are not a thing, and probably won't be a thing any time soon
pine agate
We don't really know at this point.
analog frigate
it's pre-r1 stuff, which isn't canon
eternal talon
11/10 partial decoders
rocky wraith
People thought we were going to get it in r5 since schaeffer mentions "snatchers...
Wait, he does?
eternal talon
They've brought back things from the pre alpha
floaters weren't in pre-alpha
analog frigate
Wait, he does?
the mimic, not snatchers exactly
past matrix
floaters weren't in pre-alpha
The ones we see in r6 probably weren't but there were flying enemies
eternal talon
old c-foam
rocky wraith
old c-foam
hehehehe
eternal talon
old... ceiling stuff?
past matrix
Don't think there were any gameplay of them unfortunately
past matrix
old... ceiling stuff?
The shit that's usually in charger expeditions for some reason
analog frigate
only enemies i remember seeing before release were the normal sleepers, snatcher and giant disembodied tentacles
eternal talon
The shit that's usually in charger expeditions for some reason
yes
analog frigate
it's their nest
pine agate
I miss when chargers were introduced in this super dark room with red lighting, and the stuff in the ceiling
Makes you feel like you're actually walking into hell.
past matrix
Spitters you mean 🤨
pine agate
I still wonder what that stuff in the ceiling is.
analog frigate
I still wonder what that stuff in the ceiling is.
which ones exactly?
eternal talon
old loadout screen with all the weird brain scans n' stuff
past matrix
only enemies i remember seeing before release were the normal sleepers, snatcher...
Yeah there weren't any images or shit of them but they were definitely in the prealpha (the flying guys)
I don't know if you would consider this an enemy but there was the cocoons image
analog frigate
i think it was something else but i don't remember so i'm not sure
pine agate
which ones exactly?
The black stuff in the ceiling that used to be in charger rooms.
analog frigate
The black stuff in the ceiling that used to be in charger rooms.
that seems like the nests
pigmentation is similar, as well as the location
the purpose also limited to mainly being some part of their life cycle
eternal talon
why are these forklifts so small?
analog frigate
i've seen smaller
analog frigate
they are SMC i believe
eternal talon
they are like the luggage trains in airports
past matrix
I wish I finished soloing r1c1
It was easy to solo you just couldnt get stuck on anything
analog frigate
i need to try more pacifist runs when i find the time
eternal talon
i need to try more pacifist runs when i find the time
c-foam exploit?
analog frigate
no exploits
eternal talon
how you do alarms then?
analog frigate
run
past matrix
Kite
analog frigate
kiting was a thing back then yeah
analog frigate
no one did it though
analog frigate
I don't know about r6 though LOL
r6a1 is possible
past matrix
I could have sworn someone did it like captain alpha or something
Don't remember, it was too long ago lmao
past matrix
r4 would have been relatively easier to tbh
Especially since you could kite to spawn since first zone has so many unnecessary doors for some reason
analog frigate
well who knows
late to try now
i only know one expedition that was done pacifist
full oar
does someone have an image of the thing schaeffer killed
i want to compare it to something
eternal talon
does someone have an image of the thing schaeffer killed
no
full oar
rly
eternal talon
unless you mean s22
full oar
yes i mean s22
eternal talon
which is this
analog frigate
that's not what he killed necessarily
full oar
they look similar
past matrix
Especially if this one was s22
eternal talon
they look identical tho
full oar
almost
past matrix
They look identical but the ones in D2 were shorter and looked more... Raw
full oar
first of all the r4c1 is lower quality and face is fully covered
full oar
They look identical but the ones in D2 were shorter and looked more... Raw
less evolved
eternal talon
It's literally not even, like, even you can admit they look almost identical
S22 isn't the mimic for so many reasons
Primarily because there is 1 mimic and like 200 of those dudes
past matrix
They look almost identical because they're people in hsu garment lmao
eternal talon
They look almost identical because they're people in hsu garment lmao
Not really. Hands and feet also mutated
Both starved, though s22 is starved way more
Both have same red rashes over most of the body
Also, yes, same attire
past matrix
Theres different skin color
past matrix
Everyone in the room had the same skin color
S22 on the other hand has a completely different one
past matrix
In the D2 room we're able to see the bodies skin tone very clearly
S22 while there's different lighting we can obviously tell what its skin tone is
eternal talon
That one picture looks like the lighting is disabled for some reason
Idk, with the green tint they look just about the same to me
If only very slightly different, but again, it's a different more detailed model
past matrix
eternal talon
Okay yeah those are almost identical
It's only marginally lighter
The fog is doing most of the work imo
eternal talon
Here's a body outside the fog
Glass is In the way
full oar
what a coincidence that r4 also introduced schaeffer
analog frigate
why does it have the santonian logo and not KDS?
past matrix
Glass is In the way
You can still see the legs
Not the best pictures, I know, but I can confirm based on that I know this room like the back of my hand considering it was the only expedition I really liked playing and I've tried to solo/I've duod it several times, that they do not look like s22
past matrix
Maybe their intention is to be like it, but they don't do that good of a job especially considering every body in the room is the same model
eternal talon
I don't know what more you want
eternal talon
Maybe their intention is to be like it, but they don't do that good of a job esp...
Well the new model is more detailed
Of course it's going to look slightly different
But the overall features are the main things to consider
past matrix
The rashes are similar but s22s looks way different
eternal talon
why does it have the santonian logo and not KDS?
Because they have nothing to do with rise, it would seem
eternal talon
The rashes are similar but s22s looks way different
How so? It doesnt to me at all
past matrix
Look at s22s legs
You can see brushing, etc
You're still able to clearly make out the white skin tone of it however
You can make out a slight white skin tone but it's more pink-ish
eternal talon
comparison
To be fair this one is the same though
past matrix
That one looks like it's from noclip
Which make all the textures look weird/less detailed
eternal talon
It looks like the gamma is all the way up
Still, neither would have any effect on the textures
@full oar did you mod to get those pics?
past matrix
Last I checked from noclip, especially in r4, it had an effect on the textures
There's also no fog which is pretty weird
full oar
<@943470424937881611> did you mod to get those pics?
im not legally required to answer this question
but i do have some pics from r4
eternal talon
It matters a ton for the convo
full oar
what is that
past matrix
Here's what the chest looks like aswell
eternal talon
Conversation
full oar
does it tho
eternal talon
Yes
past matrix
You can make out the white skin tones but it's overlapped by a pink more tender area
eternal talon
If it was modded then it isn't evidence
sturdy kite
Here's what the chest looks like aswell
bro i saw you typing and for a second im like WAIT WHAT then i realized it's The Warden lmfao
full oar
If it was modded then it isn't evidence
still it was used in r4 i can get a ss from r4 rn if you really want
past matrix
bro i saw you typing and for a second im like WAIT WHAT then i realized it's The...
Lmao I used to get that a lot, especially when doing pubs
past matrix
ALSO
Assuming they are supposed to look like s22
The room has a bunch of neonate HSUs
So there being a lot of specimen22-like things and there also being a lot of neonate HSUs which certainly were used for Rise would be a bit suspicious
That is assuming that they're meant to look like s22 or at least be other "specimens", which I doubt. They've done at least more detailed models of the artificial womb for example; the room was probably meant to show that the Tank in the room was up to some pretty wacky shit including mass murder
Also teasing a new enemy or something in r4 launch that has 0 relevance and isn't brought up until r6.5 would be pretty wacky
hot burrow
whats going on boys. what I miss
hot burrow
Ah
rocky wraith
So there being a lot of specimen22-like things and there also being a lot of neo...
so they were using the HSU's to grow the neonates?
past matrix
Yeah
Inside the neonate HSUs (or at least the one we picked up) are artificial wombs
tame spade
analog frigate
Iirc it's mentioned Rise uses embryos or something
project rise seems connected with the neonates
they take tissue samples and grow a creature out of it through genetic modification
specifically not clones though
which then can be used for many purposes
past matrix
Yeah
rocky wraith
Iirc it's mentioned Rise uses embryos or something
yush
rocky wraith
which then can be used for many purposes
and specifically mentioned to replace the legion program
but in what way
and how
analog frigate
i don't remember it being mentioned to replace legion
it's a thing but more so general purpose currently
rocky wraith
i don't remember it being mentioned to replace legion
one of the logs, I'll see if I can find it for you
analog frigate
aight
harsh saffron
8RT-NSA-BUN.LOG
This, of course, is all moot pending Rise, but who knows how long that will be.
analog frigate
yeah that't the ty
ty duck
yeah, it does seem like they want to replace legion with rise
since normal operatives aren't completely stone cold machines
it appears as if they are trying to change out natural humans as operatives, with lab grown genetically modified creatures, as to make the perfect squad
the best they got out of legion seems to be us, but it's apparently not enough
past matrix
Alright I got an outlandish theory
What if the Kraken is the ultimate form of the sleeper?
Hold up lemme get a screenshot to better show what I'm saying
past matrix
Ah wait never mind, I thought I saw some sort of big corpse? On its back
But it's just a weird formation on it
rocky wraith
> This, of course, is all moot pending Rise, but who knows how long that will be...
yush!
rocky wraith
What if the Kraken is the ultimate form of the sleeper?
The biggest bioform that the sleepers can form? possibly
we have little idea what the fliers are right?
south lake
Maybe fliers are some kind of larval Kraken?
Or a parasite that lives in and on them?
Parasites would explain why they seem so.. ravenous with their attack patterns, rushing in and getting in the player's face
Wouldn't explain why they pursue prey so far away from their host, though.
Could be a kind of symbiosis, maybe
Fliers feed and defend the Kraken, big and slow as it is, and the Kraken provides shelter?
subtle verge
Or perhaps the Kraken is essentially the "queen ant" so to speak.
Idk, just throwing conjecture out there.
lilac island
you be cool to see a boss that spawns big chargers
eternal talon
What if the Kraken is the ultimate form of the sleeper?
It's not
Sleepers are human infected
But regardless, it hasn't been seen to make any of its own forms
Only repurpose what was already there
it is far more than likely just some infected megafauna, or ocean creature
even the more unique forms like tank and mother are still uniquely and identifiably human in origin, without any of the mutations
the creature also appears to have eyes, which is not a modification made to include on any sleeper variant
and much like human infected, the eyes have turned pure black
the appearance of the kraken reminds me greatly of a cuttlefish
simply rotated 90 degrees vertically, with the back of the creature split in two
though the giant gaping mouth is an oddity, as most squids don't have mouths, but beaks,
but you can see the similarities
and how it could very likely be an infected native
strong rapids
i have not played since rundown 3. would anyone be able to catch me up to speed on whats happened?
harsh saffron
You can check out the pins for some beginner summaries and the database (notion) or the wiki if you want to read through the new logs yourself. You can sort by Rundown so you can start with Rundown 4 and so on
past matrix
here's all expeditions with descriptions for them (so you can catch up on r4-r5) and on pins there's like a lore 101
strong rapids
Thank you so much brother. I can’t believe I missed so much
subtle verge
If you have any questions, feel free to ask! We do a lot of theory crafting and discuss the outs and ins of a lot of things, but the TL;DR and Lostty's pins are what we know as confirmed thus far.
And Warden's expedition list.
Actually:
dull crest
Have we learned all the secrets of the Complex yet?
harsh saffron
How many messages does it show for the time you've been gone? More than 1k? (just this channel)
dull crest
how's your vacation been?
It was awesome, travelled to London for the Harry Potter museum
dull crest
How many messages does it show for the time you've been gone? More than 1k? (jus...
Oh, I mean, you guys could get to 500 in just a couple of hours
But I didn't see a number
harsh saffron
damn
analog frigate
yeah, discord just says 99+
harsh saffron
huh, most I ever saw (and remember) was 150+
dull crest
The Schaeffer letter was for sure 500+
serene fractal
I've definitely seen over 400 racked up in just one afternoon lol
subtle verge
I've seen as many as 800 in 3 hours, but that was the beginning of R6, iirc.
sonic citrus
You guys have your notification counters on for this? O.O
subtle verge
Also welcome back, @dull crest ! Glad to see you had a good vaca!
harsh saffron
You guys have your notification counters on for this? O.O
Didn't know you can turn them off 👀
subtle verge
You guys have your notification counters on for this? O.O
I do so I can catch up on what's been discussed and so I don't talk about something that's already been talked about.
But I don't get pings for every single message. Only @s and mentions.
sonic citrus
Didn't know you can turn them off 👀
You must surely not get a "ping" for every message though right?
harsh saffron
Oh god no ^^
sonic citrus
It shows the number even without them all being pings though? 🤔 Hmm
eternal talon
i mean you CAN enable that..
past matrix
i dont know when calle left but there were 12k messages so far in april
with there being 1k on the 18th
analog frigate
You must surely not get a "ping" for every message though right?
i have it on for this channel
harsh saffron
It shows the number even without them all being pings though? 🤔 Hmm
Apparently ^^'
dull crest
Also welcome back, <@264164771669082112> ! Glad to see you had a good vaca!
Thanks!
shadow igloo
Didn't know you can turn them off 👀
Every server gets a full mute by default 
i like reading you guys's theories but you dont get ping rights
subtle verge
Felt that. Every server I join gets full mute. I just like my @s on.
Anyway, time to go over things from last night.
sonic citrus
I don't even want to see the white nub on the side bar on most active servers like this one
harsh saffron
Yeah no, same ^^ I just meant I get the little message telling me the amount of messages I haven't read yet. Thought you were talking about those 😅
shadow igloo
Just gonna remove that before someone bigger than me does
eternal talon
the bigger fish
shadow igloo
Lot of mods/servers can be particular about proper channel usage 👀 never really know what flies sometimes
sonic citrus
We're all about to get 24 hour permabanned for discussing discord settings for so long in the lore channel
eternal talon
24 hour = perm ban??
sonic citrus
24 hours permanently
harsh saffron
Wireless cable 
sonic citrus
its just a memey phrase I've picked up from a youtuber I like 🙂
wooden topaz
So, can someone with a bit more knowledge update me? (tag me). They are digging down and building the station. Along the way several events happened along with the corrupt systems. They dug into that area with the artifacts, which seemed to possibly be a source of the virus. There may very well be more results and findings of what the virus does to people but not many logs were found after the system fail. The virus is worldwide, so assuming the virus created the sleepers, most the world may very well be sleepers now. The core of the extraterrestrial core was dug into and something may have been found. We are refined prisoners that have been messed with and programmed for this job. From what i can tell the warden (previously known as biocom) has overcome part of its own programming, either via error or becoming sentient or outside programming or all 3. This awakening of the warden started just before rundown 1, and it is lowering us through one of the hole's made by the system explosion into the facility to perform objectives. The sleepers by now have matured into essentially zombies, and we fight through them while progressing through the remnants of the security improvements pre system collapse.
the realm shifting tech seems to be a different technology that was found and lightly experimented with before being possibly sabotaged. It seems likely unconnected to the sleepers but relevant to our objective.
sooooo tldr. exposure to alien virus and shady coverup caused a massive essential apocalypse. and we are being used years later. The program seems to be AI and we are dealing with progressions of the alien virus (sleepers) aswell as investigating some old lightly experimented realm shifting tech.
this is my understanding from like 4 hours of going through the lore and timelines. If theres something that is the consensus that is different could someone @ me with it, or just DM me.
extremely interesting lore TBH, leaves enough that its piecing it together, but gives enough to give some idea. Also props to the voice actors, mimic and lady from B1 (too tired for names) hella convincing.
just praise to the devs all round tbh
cobalt mulch
agreed, schaeffer mimic stuff is great, and even the long c1 rants are nice.. "i can hear you out there! ..."
im atm most intrigued by the possible ploy red herring joke, or the possible golden nugget of a hint called "the bucket" 🪣
d0c and calle just wont stop about it :) (i think its schaeffer's anti mindcontrol helmet but could be just a toilet.. hopefully not both)
eternal talon
@wooden topaz
subtle verge
So, can someone with a bit more knowledge update me? (tag me). They are digging ...
"The virus is worldwide, so assuming the virus created the sleepers, most the world may very well be sleepers now."
We know for a fact that the virus alone doesn't cause sleepers as it is a 100% mortality rate. It's mostly theorized that the parasite is what truly causes the transformation from human to sleeper, however we don't necessarily know if the virus has a helping hand in that matter. It's possible, just uncertain at this moment.
"From what i can tell the warden (previously known as biocom) has overcome part of its own programming, either via error or becoming sentient or outside programming or all 3."
We know that the WRDN (Warden) is a DI (Directive/Decision Intelligence) that was injected into the BIOCOM system well before the collapse of Garganta, as for what it's purpose is or who injected the coding, we don't really know. We do know that it has attempted to skirt behind the scenes of the BIOCOM system to reroute power, and it has also passed objective stacks to KSOs (Kovac Security Officers/Operatives) where one KSO stood silently in a closet for six minutes, and another told a group of researchers that "you must stop." These examples you can find in logs!
"...and it is lowering us through one of the hole's made by the system explosion into the facility to perform objectives."
We are lowered into the main shaft of Garganta, however we do move around the facility using those holes as well as other man-made transport passages.
"...the realm shifting tech seems to be a different technology that was found and lightly experimented with before being possibly sabotaged."
The tech that was found during initial expeditions, The Hammerstein Collection, is what we use to get to Destination, as far as "sabotaged" goes, we don't really know, though I do have a theory about that in the pins (Gustavo x Jansen). Amanes is working on another theory that might have more detail and an opposing view to my theory, however; he's working on that one, still.
But yeah, the lore is really in-depth and very tricky to understand and decipher. We have a TL;DR and Lostty's in-depth overview in the pins if you want to check those out.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
rich blaze
(Calling me out I see 
)
subtle verge
Just referencing you because I'm excited. 👀
rich blaze
Just poping in to say BIOCOM is a DI even before the warden
subtle verge
Double D.I. overdose, baybee. Speaking of D.I., time to throw some D.I. on my Spotify.
wooden topaz
Ty. Good clarifications. I noticed the logs mentioned that they had observed the disease up until death, but were going to see what happened post death. Thats the last log i could find stleast.
deft sparrow
"The virus is worldwide, so assuming the virus created the sleepers, most the wo...
maybe its me but trough the logs i heard it seems like the worden started loosking control shortly before the contamaent breach
rocky wraith
Just poping in to say BIOCOM is a DI even before the warden
DI?
rocky wraith
I'm throwing my money in on it being a digital processing ai, with emergent emotional behaviour complexes derived from its connection to the Legionnaires with their resurfacing emotional response pathways
cobalt mulch
thats one of the most intriguing unanswered's.. who / what injected wrdn and why..
rocky wraith
thats one of the most intriguing unanswered's.. who / what injected wrdn and why...
thats already covered
wasn't it?
cobalt mulch
i dunno, ppl know it happened ofc but specifics yet unclear
analog frigate
someone from WHO, someone from the known involved companies, or someone that is not yet known
cobalt mulch
wrdn forcefully overrode biocom protocols but was there someone who inserted the usb stick.. etc..
analog frigate
yeah
cobalt mulch
the janitor closet thing for 6 minutes before wrdn was even online is very interesting
so many cool myths to binge, is cool
rocky wraith
wrdn could be the overide protocols that Marcus Gantus provided to Andrew
analog frigate
hypothetically but that wouldn't make sense
why would override codes change the entire protocol the DI runs on?
rocky wraith
a takeover bid?
analog frigate
possibly
subtle verge
maybe its me but trough the logs i heard it seems like the worden started looski...
WRDN didn't fully take control until well after the fall of Garganta.
atomic bluff
which logs?
I'm actually v behind on the lore so all this is newer to me than I would like
subtle verge
which logs?
Which logs are you looking for?
past matrix
updated this with an imgur guide
punk, can you pin this version instead of the other
subtle verge
Sure thing.,
subtle verge
updated this with an imgur guide
atomic bluff
What logs are there about the warden?
subtle verge
There's quite a few and my memory can't quite serve me right to give you a full answer, but: https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=4330fedca48c4676b5fee1edafa15638
Ctrl + F: BIOCOM
Should be 27 matches for the word, but anything that has the BIOCOM tag will have something to do with either BIOCOM or WRDN.
analog frigate
also there is a specific corrupted folder log that doesn't have any matches, but if you do the same thing with the word corrupted in the wiki, infinite duck has specifically put which logs are from the santonian website terminal
and you'll find the log where the WRDN protocol initialises
eternal talon
drat.
quick question: the first Schaeffer log was found in rundown 4, but the new logs in 6.5 show he was locked in KDS deep inside an HSU, but WRDN only accesses KDS deep in R5. How did Schaeffer get out of KDS deep for the WRDN to find him sometime before r4, and does it have anything to do with the ancient aliens?
on the Q&A didn't get an answer. just said to look into the lore to find answers.
i got a smile tho
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1467429825
@ 00:50:25 for full answer to the question
the brightest smile when Calle said "ancient aliens"
harsh saffron
I was too late for the ama
eternal talon
"well i will never answer things in a chat like this that you could find answers for in the game itself, i can talk about the process of developing the game and the process of writing the stuff, but questions about the logics of the story itself you have to play the game and look for answers and clues, but i mean yeah that was a little bit of a flex of that first like, "i know this stuff and i know about the timeline and i'm trying to put you on the spot here and point out that there is a logical fallacy""
harsh saffron
Good answer
eternal talon
i only made it to the AMA in the final 10 minutes or so
lean sorrel
İts good that Simon agrees that current music system is bad overall
harsh saffron
Luckily we get another one on Thursday ? I think
eternal talon
Luckily we get another one on *Thursday ?* I think
correct
with the level designer
so more techy stuff
harsh saffron
Bulkhead door in the ceiling flooding the room when opened
dim scroll
with the level designer
Good to know
harsh saffron
I appreciate looking through the vod rn and just seeing ppl from this chat popping up all the time with sneaky lore questions like Lostty did^^
eternal talon
the smile about the allens is enough for me
calle also said that they'd post responses to most unanswered questions here after the vod is done
harsh saffron
R7 first log: "Aliens don't exist" 
subtle verge
Fuck, I missed the AMA. I read CEST as CST and I spaced. Damnit. >:l
I had a good question, too.
subtle verge
Curse EU times as an NA boi.
eternal talon
that'd be 8AM CST
subtle verge
I'm aware. I'm saying I thought it was 2:30p, not 8a.
eternal talon
i know, i was there
subtle verge
Oh well. I'll just ask on Thursday for the Discord AMA.
harsh saffron
Simon trying rly hard not to spoil anything while answering questions is quite entertaining ^^
subtle verge
Spoilers are always hard, because you never know if what you say is "too much" haha.
lean sorrel
Guys ım really well behind on many things for starters what is nebula ı tought calle was mocking me with the name when ı asked where is the desert it was a basic question but alpha two is the nebula correct? I had to look at the post conversations need proper information
subtle verge
Guys ım really well behind on many things for starters what is nebula ı tought c...
Alpha Two is just a research site in Destination.
We go to it in one of the missions, can't remember exactly which one. I think C1 is Alpha Two.
Or maybe it's D1.
lean sorrel
Arent they all in the same
planet/dimension
subtle verge
It's the same general location, yes.
lean sorrel
But it is not clear as tough we are in a planet where there is oxygen
subtle verge
It's an earth-like entity for sure. Breathable oxygen, a similar if not exact same gravitational pull (though this could be mechanical game limitation versus lore, but I'm sure they worked it in to the lore in one way or another), weather patterns, etc.
lean sorrel
It's an earth-like entity for sure. Breathable oxygen, a similar if not exact sa...
Entity its Just rocks and sand and Black crystals kraken and the flyers what Do you mean?
subtle verge
Entity its Just rocks and sand and Black crystals kraken and the flyers what Do ...
Entity just means object in that context. You and I are entities, the canned beverage I'm holding is an entity, the rocks outside my front door are entities, so on and so forth. 😄
lean sorrel
Entity just means object in that context. You and I are entities, the canned bev...
I tought İt was a generelisation for the unkown beings
Like when youre stuck at explaining something alive or cannot be explained you Just say entity
subtle verge
I think entity can be used in that case, though I think most people tend to use the word anomaly for that specific scenario, but that's more semantics than anything else, I think.
lean sorrel
I think entity can be used in that case, though I think most people tend to use ...
Yeah so nebula is on of the locations we teleport to?
subtle verge
Yeah so nebula is on of the locations we teleport to?
Can you elaborate what you mean by nebula? Are you referring to the coordinates that were used with a star chart that was brought up a couple of weeks ago?
subtle verge
Oh. Well, I can't say that I'm really sure on that front. I didn't really follow too much with that due to IRL time constraints at the time, so my knowledge on that is minimal. As with all things GTFO lore-related, however, we can't really say for certain that's where we go, though I do think that would be pretty neat if it becomes confirmed.
past matrix
Fuck, I missed the AMA. I read CEST as CST and I spaced. Damnit. >:l
surprised they're doing these bigger twitch AMAs
last twitch AMA I remember was like randomkennys? or someones back in r1/r2
royal tangle
Hello, im curious on what are you guys predictions for r7, more shaeffer lore progression(did he actually make it out?)/mimic info? Or do you guys think it will explore a new path and objective?
past matrix
well, it's been mentioned r6 extension is supposed to be setting up what happens in r7
so another form of s22 (s23?) will probably be present and another mimic will probably be, assuming they aren't the same thing. I could imagine it being a new enemy or something
CX mentions that Schaeffer could be building up to a "war" basically with the Warden so we could get more about that in r7
Power instability detected at 993 meters. Multiple events suggest premediation
royal tangle
I noticed that^
past matrix
the end of DX was pretty hasty since the Warden wanted us to immediately check up on s22 (coincidentally right at the end of the log that plays where schaeffer kills the mimic) but it doesn't mention the restoration initiative really being done
so that may be r7's goal
royal tangle
Now in the stairway of death when Schaeffer says (correct me if im wrong) that he is the virus, does he mean he carries the nam-v virus or more of a computer virus to break the Warden?
past matrix
it's probably a one-liner
since the mimic says something along the lines of "you have the virus" then schaeffer responds "I AM THE VIRUS"
right before/during him fucking it up
royal tangle
Yeah im curious on how the mimic would work mechanically wise in game, audio logs already give me chills
gaunt imp
since the mimic says something along the lines of "you have the virus" then scha...
The hardest Schaeffer line to ever exist
royal tangle
Facts^
eternal talon
negative on that fresh blood in dx btw
apparently sleepers leave blood trails behind, even after they despawn
weird
zealous walrus
Hmm..
What if...
Hackett's Wife....
Knows something?
harsh saffron
@zealous walrus Happy birthday
harsh saffron
🙂
analog frigate
Hmm..
What if...
Hackett's Wife....
Knows something?
she knows all about hackett
you can ask her about why shirtless hackett should be
zealous walrus
she knows all about hackett
....