gtfo-lore

[stray path]

I will when I can. I can't play this game all too often. It's long.

[rocky wraith]

Fair, the hours fly past in this game

[stray path]

Alright well I gotta go now

So it looks like the pre apocalypse stuff is mostly corporations finding alien crap in asteroid then experimentation and uh oh virus and parasite

[past matrix]

has there been any explanation about D4?

[subtle verge]

If you're referencing the teleporting around, it's not really lore relevant. D0c mentioned a couple of months ago that it was mainly to test out the tech that they were using with their dimensional level design.

[past matrix]

oh

[harsh saffron]

Just the characters experiencing "Cryptomnesia", I guess if you would want a semi explanation. But yeah what Punk said

Cryptomnesia occurs when a forgotten memory returns without its being recognized as such by the subject, who believes it is something new and original. It is a memory bias whereby a person may falsely recall generating a thought, an idea, a tune, a name, or a joke, not deliberately engaging in plagiarism but rather experiencing a memory as if it were a new inspiration.

[fossil kernel]

what does KDS means?

and

what is the mimic?

[lilac island]

Kovak defense service

Mimic I read about it but I forgot 😂

[fossil kernel]

ok

[past matrix]

guy who isnt exactly a sleeper but shouldn't exactly be considered "human" either. It's a white humanoid being that you see at the end of DX presumably (specimen 22)

[fossil kernel]

oh

[subtle verge]

The Mimic is a coined term by the lore community, it's what is speaking to Schaeffer in the audio logs ("Are you a dog or a cat person?"). Evidence is pointing towards the mimic actually being Specimen 22, but there's no clear cut evidence to confirm it.

[past matrix]

^

[fossil kernel]

got it

[fossil kernel]

i read that lore for dummies doc and i gotta say,the situation is looking very bleak

i didn't know the nam-V virus already killed off the population of earth

i thought it just spread to england

i hope in the next rundown we get to go more deeper and see more places instead of labs and storages

[harsh saffron]

We didn't get a concrete confirmation for that yet, but some lore ppl in here ran a simulation based on the information we have about Nam-V so far. Also there are some logs that make it sound like humanity isn't doing very well; like this one:
https://www.notion.so/BIOCOM-shortwave-transmission-intercepted-27mhz-db54486eb4924b39969d9d7b9003bf0b

[subtle verge]

Yeah, the calculation was a "for fun" calculation that used the R-Naught of NAM-V and using current Covid 19-22 public reaction.

[worthy flower]

so, is specimen 22 dead?

was it that weird looking dude near the end of Dx?

[subtle verge]

Yes, that was Specimen 22.

[eternal talon]

seeing the inner and fighting/exploring allen corridors and chambers? hell yeah

[worthy flower]

tell allen i said hi.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994

god, i really gotta fix some of the typos in the "for dummies" log. it's like every time i re-read it i find a new one that slipped past revisions

its vrey esay to hide tpyos in plian text.

[sharp vigil]

Brain has auto correct

[fossil kernel]

ye

[eternal talon]

indeedy

[snow yarrow]

Chrono stopped! I’m getting non temporal progression.```
what's the "non temporal progression" mean here?

[Loud noise]
Scientist
The gate is open!
[Loud noise]
Scientist
Matter Wave capacitors at 40%!
Scientist
Runaway is slowing down Doctor, should we…?
Stokes
No! No! Keep going!
Scientist
Matter Wave capacitors at 80%!
Stokes
Bishop, keep everyone within it’s projection radius!
Scientist
Chrono stopped! I’m getting non temporal progression.```

Does it just mean something non-temporally or else?

[subtle verge]

In very layman's terms: time is progressing/regressing within the projection radius. Which means a second for those within the projection radius is either sped up or slowed down compared to being outside of that radius.

It's a long explanation, but I'll keep it as brief as possible:

Quantum physics is very finnicky and admittedly has a vast unknown. What's happening here is what's called a 'quantum tether.' A quantum tether is the connection of one quantum particle to another, which equalizes each other to be a 1:1 ratio; meaning one second for one particle, is also one second for the other particle, and this is true no matter the distance between those two particles.

The temporal irregularity we're seeing here is the quantum tether more or less failing to connect.

[snow yarrow]

so the what the scientist mean here is just he got a abnormal time progression?

[subtle verge]

In layman's terms, yes.

[snow yarrow]

got it √

[finite vine]

“non-temporal” suggests the progression is not time related though?

also i’m pretty sure a “quantum tether” is a made up thing.

[south lake]

'Quantum Tethering' is likely another, more technical name for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

Especially given the MWP's ability to effectively move someone to another location

[subtle verge]

The wording in quantum physics is not very good, imo. But non-temporal progression essentially means one point is progressing to a destination without being affected by time.

And quantum tethering isn't necessarily made up, but more theoretical and has a different na-- Edeon beat me to it.

[south lake]

I also believe they mean "non-temporal" as in time is unsynchronized inside the Tether as compared to the "real" (static) world, if they meant it was outside of or not related to time, IIRC the proper term for that would be atemporal

a- being "outside of" or "unaffected by" when using similar terminology

IE acausality

[finite vine]

quantum teleportation is not faster than light travel though. because in order to complete the quantum information transfer, a classical transfer needs to be made (classical transfer can NOT be faster than the speed of light)

[subtle verge]

And I could be wrong. I barely understand the concepts of physics, let alone quantum. I'm going off memory from months back.

[south lake]

You have to remember, time is not a static force in the universe

Time as we know it is a human construct. A day on Earth is not the same as a day on Mars, for example.

[shut mountain]

Technically time is a human concept So id calculate that in

[finite vine]

yea relativity is wacky.

[south lake]

Quantum Mechanics in that specific field may also be subject to effects from one's enforced perspective of it

Rather

[finite vine]

non-temporal means not affected by time though. so whatever progression is occurring, it’s not affected by time.

[south lake]

What we think are the laws of time may in fact become manifest when traveling through the Tether

[finite vine]

wdym by laws of time?

[south lake]

It's difficult to explain

But generally humanity perceives time a very specific way

[finite vine]

are you talking about relativity?

[south lake]

What I'm saying is that one's perception of time could be enforced inside the Tether

[finite vine]

ex. time dilation

[south lake]

What could take weeks or months normally - does

But the effects of that are nil in the Tether, instead taking seconds or days

Because to the people inside the Tether, that's all the time that's passed

Quantum Mechanics is really, really mindbendingly fucky like that

[finite vine]

ah ok yea. that’s relativity though, not quantum mechanics. although they could be considered similar fields.

[south lake]

I see them more as interlinked rather than entirely separate fields

They're separate entities, but in many cases are intertwined

[finite vine]

actually they are two completely different fields. parts of each theory currently clash with each other, which is a large discussion within the scientific community, because they both try to explain the universe.

[south lake]

Though, if my theory above is correct.. Wouldn't that make the Quantum Tether paraquantum in nature?

Since it's.. in effect, violating how time functions as a construct under normal circumstances

[finite vine]

what is paraquantum?

[finite vine]

well if i’m understanding your theory correctly, it checks out with relativity as it is basically time dilation.

[south lake]

A term for something that's able to violate quantum mechanics/physics without consequence

Similar to Paracausality

Though Paracausal entities violate the laws of reality as a whole

[finite vine]

sounds like science fiction tbh

[south lake]

Best way I can think of to describe how Paracausal/Paraquantum entities work is "Because it does". It pays no heed to any fundamental laws or limitations.

It's outside those laws and limits, but is still able to interact with them.

And, it is most definitely science fiction

At least for now

Who knows if in a billion, billion years we'll discover some kind of paracausal "glitch" in the universe or not

On that same note, Quantum Tethers are also science fiction

So the possibility is there

[finite vine]

in a billion billion years humanity will probably be long gone

[south lake]

True, but the point I was making is it's only Science Fiction so long as it remains undiscovered and - to our current technological progress at least - unprovable :p

However infinitesimally small, the chance is always there that we'll discover some kind of wild unknown previously thought impossible.

That's science, after all.

Proving the unprovable.

[finite vine]

true

[south lake]

Anyway yeah. My theory is that time flows differently based on the perceptions of the "passengers" of a given Quantum Tether, while leaving realspace unaffected

Which would make it FTL by technicality, in that it straight up ignores the laws of the universe.

While not necessarily breaking them

Oh, perfect example actually! (If a bit crude)

Think along the lines of a black hole

Someone inside the Event Horizon will perceive time far differently than someone outside

That's the theory, at least

I highly doubt that's going to be tested.. well, ever

Not willingly, at least

Since once you're past the Event Horizon, you're.. well.

Dead.

[finite vine]

I just realized something. In terms of relativity, the faster you travel, the slower you pass through time.

for example, photons travel at the speed of light, and in turn, live and die a the same time, because they really don’t age due to traveling at the speed of light (the universes speed limit)

now, let’s say you were experiencing “non-temporal progression”. that means you are progressing through space while not being affected by time, so therefore you can travel faster than the speed of light.

[south lake]

If there is temporal progression of any kind and my theory is wrong, my guess is that it's so small by comparison that it just can't be picked up by any instruments

[finite vine]

your theory sounds a lot like time dilation, which does not break the laws of physics and has been proven.

[south lake]

Fair

[finite vine]

it has not been proven using a black hole though lol.

that would be something cool to try in the future lmao

[south lake]

Aye, s'why I mentioned it being a theory because of how light travels inside and around a black hole

They assume there must be a massive amount of time dilation going on to weigh so much on things gravitationally that it stops light from traveling in a given direction other than towards it

[finite vine]

yea the gravity is so immense near the singularity of the black hole that time slows down an enormous amount.

[south lake]

I'm a little leery of saying time stops entirely inside the Tether though

If it's within the bounds of the universe, causing a fundamental mechanic of it to stop like that could have disastrous consequences if "reality correction" ends up being a thing that exists

[finite vine]

I mean if they are traveling faster than the speed of light, it makes sense for time to stop while they travel.

the part that does not make sense is the fact that time stops lol.

[south lake]

By that I mean the idea that if something were to somehow "break" within reality, reality would correct itself to "fix" that break

Like the whole idea of the "If you time travel to another period where you're still alive, don't talk to yourself" kind of thing

The general assumption being that reality would "erase" the offender to fix the temporal paradox that's theorized would occur

[south lake]

S'why I posited that time might not be stopped, just slowed to a degree inside the Tether that's imperceptible to instruments (and thus would appear stopped, to them)

Because of Humanity's perception of time being static to a degree though, I could see time appearing to flow normally to those inside the Tether, and time outside being dilated

Would be an interesting thing to see, at least

[eternal talon]

"Get the basic facts right, then distort them at your leisure"
-Neil Degrasse Tyson on Interstellar

[eternal talon]

Well the prime reasoning for that is you literally wouldn't be able to, you wouldn't have the free will to do so, since you exist in the universe at that particular moment you physically cannot have the free will to make that choice, it's it's universe implementing rules to keep itself going.

And the topic of "do we have free will" is a whole nother can of worms

[finite vine]

I don’t think the universe cares about free will. if it is possible to travel to the same time where you exist, you would be able to do so. However, it is not. (maybe sometime far far far into the future time travel will become a possibility.)

it is suggested that in order to time travel, you have to go faster than the speed of light, which is impossible.

the MWP is probably some sort of wormhole device imho.

[eternal talon]

Given the fact that the past is as it is now, it is only possible for time travel to exist in the future if it is not possible to actually change events in the past

Else worldlines and everything from there gets insanely complex and mucky

[quartz nexus]

Doesn't the warp bubble being proven give this theory new light though? That it may, in fact, be possible? My real question though is would you actually go back in time or would you only be able to slow time due to massive increased speeds

[quartz nexus]

Yeah if it was possible to go back, why hasn't the future made contact yet?

[eternal talon]

In the context of gtfo I really really hope it's not time travel

[eternal talon]

Look into the Steven hawking time traveler party

[quartz nexus]

I'm honestly rather new to the game, and therefore the lore. And having missed all of the first rundowns I'm missing all of that still. Are there any comprehensive lore overviews done?

[eternal talon]

Absolutely 💯

Check the pins

And read the "for dummies" doc

[quartz nexus]

much love fam

[eternal talon]

If you just want the plaintext logs and audio log recordings, they are on the notion.so, also in the pins

[quartz nexus]

thanks man

[eternal talon]

If you have any further questions, don't be afraid to post in here, there are always people around

We aren't the biggest portion of the community by any margin whatsoever, but we are very active

[quartz nexus]

thanks fam

[burnt wren]

Is Warden an official designation or a nickname that KSOs came up with?

[eternal talon]

WRDN or the warden is a protocol injected into the BIOCOM system.

it is official

the KSOs don't really have the mind the question it

we don't know when it got there, who put it there, or what, but it is there

[rocky wraith]

And it has been growing and learning

achieving some form of sapience I think the consensus is

[livid grotto]

Hey, I have read/watched most of the lore until D3 (didn’t pass DX too)

And I’m lost at the whole other dimension, what is it supposed to be? What are the monsters? And especially the boss in D1

[past matrix]

from what I know, people theorize its on the butterfly nebula

and is essentially an area where mining bases, etc were installed so that they could experiment on things such as the crystals there

[livid grotto]

Yea

[past matrix]

by boss do you mean the one in D1?

I don't remember there being a boss on DX

[livid grotto]

Oh ye mb

[past matrix]

oh, I don't think we have a concrete answer but if I had to guess it could be part of the wildlife there

same with the flying enemies

[livid grotto]

Hmmm alright

Thx for the information Warden

[last quarry]

wheres that theory come from?

[cobalt mulch]

someone turned the decrypted coordinates to point up into space or sth, found a smack dab pinpoint match

[last quarry]

ah yep, just found that transcript

how the hell do u even decrypt that?

[eternal talon]

i ran it through base64 and we got pairs of numbers that matched a pattern used in a previous cipher

[last quarry]

and that ended up leading to the exact coordinates of the nebula?

[eternal talon]

yes

@solar nova used them to get coords for the center of the atlantic, near the midatlantic ridge,

and @rich blaze used them with star chart data and found a direct match

[last quarry]

Thats absurd and i love it

[finite vine]

#gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

literally a month or so ago we went and translated ancient 16th century colonial spanish-mayan medical doccuments from an incredibly rare and obscure book, the "chilam bilam de ixil"

because it was in the geographical location of garganta's coords.

going way off the deep end is kinda what we do best lol

[last quarry]

Idk, finding out coordinates for the center of the atlantic is one thing, but using them in a star chart to find the exact coords for the nebula is another level

[eternal talon]

the coordinate systems appear to be the exact same, you'd have to ask amanes on that one.

[last quarry]

crazy stuff

[sweet raft]

Do we know what the current state of civilization is outside of garganta

I assumed the world was mostly destroyed

Is it possible that the outside world survived untouched? Hard to believe the many tens of thousands of people who worked in the facility wouldn’t be missed

It would be investigated for sure imo

[quartz nexus]

There have been reported NAM-V virus outbreaks and it was declared a global pandemic at some point in time. So odds are there isn't much out there that's left alive, or if there are they're in walled off highly secured perimeters

[sweet raft]

Makes sense

Messed up that surviving humans are either A, under the control of the Warden or B, dying off from NAM-V

[quartz nexus]

Yeah mostly likely. Pretty messed up world lmao

[haughty flax]

I wanna know the lore behind no gtfo 69

[lilac island]

is there a book?

[dim scroll]

wot

[quick grove]

99% are dead

Is that what you wanted to know

That humanity has fallen to some virus and parasite from outer space

[dim scroll]

That's still a theory

Based on the virus' R0 & its 100% mortality rate

[quick grove]

I mean having sleepers running around top side is possible as seen in BX they don't react to sunlight

[eternal talon]

ehh, that'd assume they can craw/find their way up to the surface

and even then, they'd still be very region locked with so little people left around to spread.

it's like cooking a bag of potatoes on the stove, before you go buy the mixer to make mashed potatoes.

there kinda isn't any salvaging that

nam-v by itself already did all the damage to the surface, having the parasite finally NOW make it to the surface wouldn't be a big deal all things considered, because just about everything's already gone.

[eternal talon]

wdym a book

[dim scroll]

whoms't

[quartz nexus]

check pins, theres some stuff 'for dummies' says most

[rich blaze]

The surface may be already gone* A singular Projection does not equate hard proof until we have a better view of what's outside.

[subtle verge]

Indeed. To reiterate for the seemingly 20th time: Daraxus and I did a "for fun" calculation that has no merit of proof. We simply took the R-Naught of NAM-V and simulated the spread with current Covid-19 social reaction.

[burnt wren]

Via some software or?

[rocky wraith]

There is also the repeating message from the WHO in Europe which seems to give a bleak outlook on life on the outside

[rich blaze]

It definitely is bleak

does not mean that we have to take everything dead at face value

[rocky wraith]

Probably not everything dead, but not any hope for a rebuilding of civilisation

all coastal areas would be practically impossible to rebuild near

[long plank]

Hello and Good Day All,
May I ask if there's a site wherein I can refer to the the voice over
"narrations" that happened in Rundown 5?
I just finished R5D1 with some friends but I couldn't hear exactly what happened
was being said near the end of the run.

[rich blaze]

you mean R6D1? there is no narration outside of logs in R5

[long plank]

Oh oops

Yes Rundown 6

Interested in the GTFO world and what Santonian has to do with this.
etc. etc.

[rich blaze]

https://www.notion.so/D1-Nemesis-61606d2a61744bfba5c575fd709cc770?p=17725e852b6a4408bbd77dd4f1e48689

[rocky wraith]

Yeah D1 shafer memories

That's what I was talking about earlier about seeing someone else's memories in the HSUs

"Warden is a prisoner with all the memories" (of the prisoners)

Because of the neural interfaces, the warden would technically have access to all the memories of the prisoners, but because of the effects of HSU couldn't access them. Not until the memories began to return to the KSO's as they began fighting the sleepers and engaging in high stress environments which triggers the resurfacing of memories and personalities. The WARDEN's consciousness isn't just the machine biocom parts, but also the emergence from the collectivised memories of the prisoners as their memories return from fighting

[long plank]

hmmm

Thanks so much Amanes.

[rocky wraith]

Does that timing coincide with when the Warden added stacks to the KSO's? was that around the same time as the high stress times?

[long plank]

Is the "story narration" part where I believe it was Bishop who was speaking and calling himself like a "Security Personnel" in the site that was provided?

[rocky wraith]

B1?

[burnt wren]

Made me think of B1 too

That's the one where Bishop gets sent to otherworld together with the expedition

Only I don't remember him talking, at least on audio

[rocky wraith]

I thought he hearded them in but wasn't going with them

[burnt wren]

Only Dr Man being frustrated how useless it is to try and talk to him

[subtle verge]

The wiki also has all of the audio logs for 6-6.5 with transcriptions available! https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs

[rocky wraith]

C1 was where he touched a data key and got teleported as well?

[burnt wren]

Yes

[long plank]

Yep. It's B1.
EF-01 Launch
0:36
"Security Officer Bishop..."

Though I'm not sure if that really IS the Bishop that you play as

[subtle verge]

It is, 100%.

[long plank]

Voice is a little different.
Or maybe it's just me hearing it differently.

[subtle verge]

Names in the lore are unique; 99.99% of the time if you hear a name, it's someone we've experienced before or it's a one-and-only.

[burnt wren]

Would be very weird on writers part it have another kso named Bishop

Not confusing at all

[harsh saffron]

Btw, we are actually missing 3 transcripts, maybe I missed them when you sent them to me ^^'
5R3-8M4-HCX, TY5-ERS-23B and PTJ-CRU-909. I'm almost done with that last one tho.

[subtle verge]

Hmm. Most likely I missed them, my bad! Do you need me to transcribe the first two?

[harsh saffron]

not sure if the state of truth host actually is talking about "corn trails" or I'm just misunderstanding "chem trails"

[harsh saffron]

I would love that

[rocky wraith]

chem trails

[long plank]

Thanks all!

[rocky wraith]

state of truth seems to be an "alternative" news source

so conspiracies seem to be their thing

[long plank]

I'll be rummaging through this website that was provided and dive a loot deeper than the Complex.

Once more thanks. Have a great weekend.

[harsh saffron]

probably ^^ I'm just gonna with that for now

[subtle verge]

Have a good weekend, Ghost! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. We also have a TL;DR and in-depth summary of the lore in our pins should you find yourself curious!

[rocky wraith]

"From a… from a fire… Yes… a fire. I remember the fires. Outside from the person who was here before me or is that a dream? A mountain of bodies on fire. Smoke blocking the sun. The dead and twisted… [sobbing] This is my fault. It’s all my fault! There is more than one" C2 log Shafer.
This log part I find very interesting about 22. Shafer again mentions memories from someone else in his head. And mentions that there are more like 22. "The dead and twisted" I think may be a reference to burning dead sleeper bodies on destination(?) or something of the sort.

[eternal talon]

the WHO broadcast on loop for years?

[harsh saffron]

If the mimic is subject 22, it would make sense that there are more, you would have subjects 1-21 somewhere I would assume

[eternal talon]

you'd think if ANYBODY was out there, they'd shut it off

by the time we find it

[rocky wraith]

short wave radio right? which means low power(?) so not much infrastructure to even support the WHO message(?)

[eternal talon]

yes

[rocky wraith]

there were pictures of similar bodies to 22 elsewhere.

[harsh saffron]

yeah R4D2

[eternal talon]

think like ham-radio or EAS

[harsh saffron]

never counted how many are lying around there

[rocky wraith]

Whether or not they are implanted with Neural interfaces and connected to the warden is what we are trying to work out(?)

the warden was very interested in the RISE project

possible that the specimens were the results of the RISE projects and Warden's personal one is still out there

[eternal talon]

i don't know how to feel about all this project rise talk

[rich blaze]

It does not mean the 99.99% death I see stated as fact here, there's for sure big trouble, but we have no actual idea of the situation on the surface

[eternal talon]

we seemingly go from zero info at all to now everyone talking about it as fact

[rich blaze]

We know two things of RISE :

• It can replace KSO
• It's not clones

[eternal talon]

my report even quotes that it was found by daraxus and punk, not confirmed

idk what you want from me

It is presumed by this time that 99.98% of human life on the surface is deceased due to the NAM-V virus.
Research on this statistic was made by @subtle verge and @analog frigate using modern Covid pandemic response and NAM-V's R-Naught statistic released by the CDC.

[subtle verge]

Again, for the 21st time now (lmao), it was a theoretical.

Baseless claiming for fun.

[eternal talon]

... the definition of presumed..

[rich blaze]

You keep count?

[analog frigate]

more for fun that to give a proper answer

[subtle verge]

Making a joke off my earlier comment.

[rich blaze]

I know, hence my playful comment

[subtle verge]

I see your playful comment and raise you a concerted comment of my own.

[past matrix]

yeah because we can now easily make connections

we had some info in the past hinting at what its supposed to be

but now with extension we're able to make connections between certain things that could be more about it

[eternal talon]

i'm just saying, if it ends up having nothing to do with s22, that's alot of people led astray

[rocky wraith]

And also that warden was running search queries to turn up anything on it

[rich blaze]

I do too think it's hasty, but at the same time it would be a good bait if it happens because everything just fits together

[past matrix]

the only mentioning of it having relation to do with s22 in the past like hour ive seen is someone saying that it could be possible

[subtle verge]

Plot twists are fun! Though I don't think I foresee them pulling the rug from under us like that, especially with the log that states ".. not clones.." and a request for funding for Project Rise.

[rocky wraith]

This is all speculation and subject to change

[subtle verge]

Though, we have been bambizzbopped before.

[eternal talon]

the problem is the mimic/mutant and s22. if they are the same thing, or not which i don't think they are.

[eternal talon]

it's not said like that in common conversation, at all. i read this chat every day.

[past matrix]

only non-confirmed thing someone has mentioned is that the warden is interested in RISE which unless they pull some bs thing is most definitely true

[rich blaze]

The problem for Mimic is that for me it's also mentioned as the thing that happened in the tunnel with the worker

[rocky wraith]

because everyone has their own theories

And might believe their opinions over others despite evidences

[eternal talon]

the teal log is described as slightly different than the mimic.

[subtle verge]

Which reminds me: @rich blaze any update on your theory so far? 👀

[rocky wraith]

Think that was an Allen not mimic(?)

[eternal talon]

the only think the teal log likely is is an allen, since we haven't seen any sleepers that look like multiple bodies stitched together

[rich blaze]

Woooooork 😭

[burnt wren]

It was definetely hostile

[past matrix]

I dont think it is; the mimic looks human (at least human enough). The tunnel was mentioned as lookling like several bodies

[eternal talon]

thats my thought, yeah. because teleportation too

[subtle verge]

Felt that, my guuuuy. This week has been 14 hour days. Godspeed!

[rocky wraith]

Several bodies?

[past matrix]

also the thing in the tunnel chased after the dude

[eternal talon]

the teal creature cerainly isn't the mimic

[past matrix]

yeah like bodies stitched togehter

[rich blaze]

I need a supply run first

[past matrix]

It looked like two different bodies put together… and it’s looking right at me, panting.

[rich blaze]

Alright Alright, Teasing time

[rocky wraith]

oof

[rocky wraith]

hmm

[eternal talon]

it's kinda how the devs work with the allens. describe them clear as day but never actually just say it as it is

it's all but confirmed in plaintext that its an allen

most likely an infected one, though not sure why it wouldn't just attack the worker on sight

[rocky wraith]

The waiting and panting part is the part that weirds me out the most

no mention about eyes right?

[eternal talon]

who knows, maybe there are some of them still alive in a quarantined part of the meteor, isolated and stuck

[rocky wraith]

The sleepers seem to want to forgo them

[rich blaze]

I just hope they don't starve us with info and that like ASOIAF theorists, we turn to things like Time Travelling Fetuses

[rocky wraith]

The vessel from the future sent to the past

[eternal talon]

every log that includes the allens never says anything concrete. it's kinda a meme now

we only have clay

[rich blaze]

I'm not talking about Aliens Frosty, I'm just saying that lore drought does thing to a mf

[past matrix]

they wont bring up the asteroid again or the mimic until r8

r7 will be another r4 where it barely has any significance to the story whatsoever outside of "collect items"

[eternal talon]

this is how every rundown is.. since ever

this isn't a game you should binge

[rich blaze]

What if I'm a paid actor paid by Simon to lead you all astray at all times by giving one good clue but Misinterpreted

[eternal talon]

you leave and come back

[rich blaze]

who knows

[rocky wraith]

Building more vessels?

[past matrix]

no

collecting like plants

i doubt we'll ever handle a neonate again tbh

[rocky wraith]

If they are Arabidopsis samples I would understand

[eternal talon]

r7 will either be:

a: allen central and exploring meteor
b: stardew valley but rocks

[rocky wraith]

But anything else would be weird for plant samples

[past matrix]

nah, just like weeds and shit

[rocky wraith]

Yes, Arabidopsis is a weed. A very important weed

[rich blaze]

I feel attacked that you didn't read my theory about R4 objectives actually meaning something 😭

ngl I'd Dig stardew Valley

[past matrix]

some of them do but rundown 4 is objectively the most boring storywise rundown

[rich blaze]

If you go at cap stamina you faint

Agreed

[past matrix]

at least r2 and r3 had some mystery to it

[eternal talon]

if we ever get a rundown in the inner, i hope we actually get something substantial to keep,

[rocky wraith]

where is the summary of the rundown missions again?

[eternal talon]

like allen relic covered cosmetics, or a unique tool/weapon

[rocky wraith]

got it

[rocky wraith]

TY

R4 does seem important tho

Warden finishing the work left over by the scientists

What are the mentioned GLPs that are needed?

[past matrix]

hormones

I find it likely that it has to do with the neonate since, well, yknow

[rocky wraith]

defo

the proteins and additional neural frames especially I would say points towards possibly building more than one final product

even R5B2 requires more hormones

[past matrix]

also sidenote I keep forgetting to bring this up but the R4D2 room does NOT have other mimics

or specimen 22's whatever

[rocky wraith]

And in R6B2 needing more samples from HSUs

The warden must be making a lot of these things

[rich blaze]

Okay

so

I may just have had a eureka moment

I was mulling over for some time that WRDN was working for WHO

but I just reread D1 Intel

and well

Pathogen Genome Database

[final sentinel]

well yeah, and in D2 ur grabbing decryption keys to help decrypt it and in D3 ur getting more power so it can decode it

[rich blaze]

also

unrelated

but is your pfp Frederick's Lion

[final sentinel]

:3

Lion of Gripsholm castle, yes

[past matrix]

yeah i mean it makes sense

unless the warden is trying to make like a sleeper army or something

[rich blaze]

I'd wager You need Parasites for that

[past matrix]

I don't get why it would be relevant for 6 expeditions and the main focus of an extension

[south lake]

"Primary Restoration Initiative"? Has anyone considered the possibility that maybe WRDN is trying to clone more humans?

I haven't been following this latest bit, but if humanity is teetering on the brink of extinction, the WRDN is (attempting) to gain some form of sapience (as suggested regarding the Extensions a while back), it would make sense that the WRDN would want to "live"

Since without humanity, any parts that it needs replaced, any issues it needs fixed, can't be

[past matrix]

yeah its a massive possibility

it could be trying to perfect humanity, at least to the point where its not affected by things like nam-v, parasites, etc

I think it is pretty much implied that its building a genome database, not just a pathogen genome database (which is why BX and DX exist) so maybe its trying to make us more resilient in general

[rich blaze]

In that case

why use databases

when you would like to replicates HSUs

[subtle verge]

Nitpicking here, but CLONE THEORY IS OUT THE WINDOW.

Just teasing. But yeah.

HOW DARE THEE.

[rocky wraith]

I think the Warden also hijacks the KSO's neural implants for emotional feedback and memories

[eternal talon]

skynet didn't have that issue. it just used robots to fix itself and robots to fix other robots

[rocky wraith]

Ok, so the way genomes work is that they are huge. Not in the one dimensional direction of ATCG but in what they code for. Bioinformatics and genome work is literally nearly completely done by computers and contiguous alignment programs. Databases are a massive part of that in decoding and deciphering what everything codes for / regulates / interacts with itself since you are also working with 6 interacting reading frames and a whole lot of interspaced "junk" on top of that

[eternal talon]

this 100x

[rocky wraith]

When trying to do post-genome molecular biology, It is vital that you need as many genomes as possible to understand as much as possible and be able to actually make changes without epistatic interference

[eternal talon]

the parasite is what makes the sleepers though, knowing just nam-v by itself wouldn't help much

[rocky wraith]

Which is why databases for all involved organisms is important

[past matrix]

surely there would have been some research done about the parasites

and bx implies that by killing a new enemy we're adding to the genome database

[rocky wraith]

Possibly unfinished, or there may be something about it that interferes with normal sequencing methods

Remember about the requests for the protein sequencers in BX because they were struggling to identify NAM-V/Parasite

[eternal talon]

where does it imply that?

[past matrix]

yea but they could just say "well there was unfinished research done in Alpha Three and we downloaded it"

[past matrix]

the reason why we do BX is to expand the database, and there's nothing in BX that shows us doing so. It's also mentioned that several batches of prisoners are sent and it makes sense if we're trying to take down a new enemy for that purpose

[rocky wraith]

D1?

[eternal talon]

there is nothing in dx showing us downloading the genome database either, yet that objective is also skipped in favor of locating s22.

[rocky wraith]

Possibly it was the new enemy type

there are like, how many types of flyers and sleepers?

[rich blaze]

In any case, why would we even create a sleeper army?

[rocky wraith]

Each with their own genome

[eternal talon]

also, it's the PATHOGEN genome database. not just any database

[past matrix]

that was for the pathogen database, but I'm a bit rusty on my biology but i dont think parasites would fall under that

[eternal talon]

it cannot be the sleepers

parasites aren't pathogens, they are organisms, living things

there is no database mentioned anywhere at all other than the PGD

[rocky wraith]

The term pathogen in biology can refer to parasites

[past matrix]

that was presumably what we were getting in D1. None of the extension missions mention the PGD specifically despite the warden intel being pretty specific when it comes to using the same acronyms

[rocky wraith]

pathogens apply to living things

bacteria for example are pathogens when they cause damaging effects for their host, like E.coli

[past matrix]

I don't know what BX has to do with the pathogen genome database in particular unless it has to do with us killing the new enemy. We don't download anything, we don't physically collect anything

[eternal talon]

they are seperate.

closely linked, but seperate.

[rocky wraith]

Parasite can be a subset of pathogen, but not all are

[eternal talon]

i'm literally on www.cdc.gov rn

bruh

[rocky wraith]

bruh

[past matrix]

yes there is, once you complete the uplinks in DX it literally says

Genomedata download complete.

sorry for late response, had to find a video to make sure

[eternal talon]

they are classified seperately on here

[eternal talon]

what uplinks?

in the staircase of death?

[past matrix]

yes

[eternal talon]

those don't usually give any text, just code imput and you uplink verify

[past matrix]

its mentioned once by the warden

[rocky wraith]

It can depend on who you ask. I'm taught that parasites can be pathogens but most are not. Parasites that have pathogenicity towards the host are pathogens

[eternal talon]

couldn't that just be shorthand for the genome database we get in d1 though?

it is even shortened in that picture

to genome data

[rocky wraith]

Could be data from the flyers

[past matrix]

its not shortened

we're not downloading a genome database

we're expanding the genome database

ie downloading denome data

[eternal talon]

yes, shortened from the PATHOGEN genome database..

[rocky wraith]

Could be updating from cDNA genome data to DNA genome data?

[eternal talon]

why would there be two seperate databases only a couple missions apart..

[rocky wraith]

There are a lot of types of genomes

proteomes and such

[eternal talon]

yes but only ONE is mentioned

[eternal talon]

and that's fine, medical jargon and definitions change almost every other year.

for some reason

which honestly i don't really get

[rich blaze]

Team

[eternal talon]

why not to keep it just consistant

[rich blaze]

what if the download is actually an up link

we got NAM V DB then we send it up outside

[eternal talon]

1. it's a download,
2. it's on destination

what of anything human-made of significance is there?

[rich blaze]

It isn't stated we are the ones doing the downloading

[past matrix]

if its all part of the singular pathogen database we download in d1 and keep collecting data for in bx and dx, then the parasites and alien species would count as part of that pathogen database

[rocky wraith]

Because in the field of molecular biology specifically, there have been pivotal and monumental developments in the last decade compared to the last 100 years

[eternal talon]

nam-v and it's interactions with the other species would be

though we don't know if the parasite needs the virus to make sleepers

it could be simply a weak link

[rocky wraith]

Because we keep learning new stuff and it overwrites the old stuff

[past matrix]

my original point made was that we do, in fact, download genome data in DX

and expand the genome database

[eternal talon]

well i mean maybe, we are uploading to the wrdn back on earth who is doing the downloading,

but it still wouldn't be much different to the data in d1

[rocky wraith]

this ^^

Warden can't access the data, so the download is being made to the neural interfaces of the squad to bring back possibly (?)

[past matrix]

the point still stands that its not like the objective is skipped

[eternal talon]

i mean i guess? but we don't do any donwloading in bx

[past matrix]

we still do exactly what the warden wants: we help it expand the database

[eternal talon]

only that one scan terminal and we get teleported away

[past matrix]

yeah we dont do any downloading in bx which is how its implied that by killing the new flyer we're expanding the database

considering the whole point of bx is to expand it

[eternal talon]

killing an enemy doesn't teach you about it.. this isn't poke'mon

you aren't kirby

[past matrix]

there could easily be something else like an off-screen action instead of making players go to the corpse of the new flyer, collecting samples of it, etc

[eternal talon]

i fundamentally refuse to belive that by simply shooting enemies we are getting any data at all. that is not how data works.

[rocky wraith]

It was a force shutdown one wasn't it?

[past matrix]

I've run through BX several times and there is nothing else to show any sort of data collecting

[eternal talon]

your bullets don't scan enemies when they tear into them

[eternal talon]

i don't remember.

you typed in one command, had an full-zone scan and got teleported away at 100%

[eternal talon]

@past matrix coulda been that

[rocky wraith]

I thought the command was something like "FORCE_SHUTDOWN" or something of the sort

[past matrix]

command was a force shutdown to get us out of there

[eternal talon]

idk

[rocky wraith]

It was the terminal in the complex that had the data

the one you type into to retrieve the data before you get teleported? the first time

retrieving genome data (?) or something of the sort? or was it coordinates for DX?

[past matrix]

it was coordinates for alpha three

[rocky wraith]

so BX is purely prep for DX

[eternal talon]

does it say in the objective corner?

i can't check rn

[rocky wraith]

yup

[eternal talon]

farming khora in warframe

[rocky wraith]

"[MAIN] download coordinates for ALPHA THREE"

[past matrix]

it should be but it doesnt explain why there were several teams of prisoners sent to download coordinates

[eternal talon]

so nothing to do with the genome database AT ALL

[past matrix]

something we've done too many times in the past

[rocky wraith]

I think so

[eternal talon]

WARDEN...

[rocky wraith]

Possibly more than a few locations to find

or more triangulation

[past matrix]

Restoration initiative continues. Expand genome database. Target connection stablished with 64% accuracy. Multiple quads dispatched to exceed success tolerance.

[rocky wraith]

so it wants complete accuracy for the downloading of the database

[past matrix]

it not being explicitly stated in the main objective doesn't mean much when you consider rundowns like r2/r3/r4 had objectives that didnt mention what they were for

[rocky wraith]

which is understandable

[eternal talon]

it is not us at all, like you said it was

[rocky wraith]

a single missing letter in a genome database results in a frameshift that can massively change what is there

[eternal talon]

whats a frameshift?

[rocky wraith]

huh

like C3?

[past matrix]

alright yeah that makes sense, my bad. I was under the impression it had to do with the genome database directly since it mentions the genome database and its expansion but reading it, it could just be an explanation of what's going on in the extension

[eternal talon]

if it's doing something with something as viral and deadly as nam-v,

it'd make sense it wants 100% accuracy in it's data

[rocky wraith]

When a base is added or removed from a genetic sequence, because the sequences are read in triplet codons, a single addition or deletion of a base can cause all downstream codons to change expressed codons.

[eternal talon]

minimize potential variables, n' all that

[rocky wraith]

Like imagine all your 1s and 0s in computer programming. imagine if a 1 was added in. not like 0 changed to 1. but an additional 1

because you read in bytes 8 pieces compared to 3 for a codon

completely different code is read, not just for that affected byte, but for all further data read

[past matrix]

im talking about things like how R2C1 was triangulation of the cold storage but the cold storage isnt mentioned in the actual gameplay itself/objective but rather mentioned by the warden intel (it was just do uplinks), or how its never mentioned in the gameplay itself/objective that R3C1 has to do with the imprinting process (it was just hsu dna collecting)

[rocky wraith]

Ah!

that makes sense

[eternal talon]

makes me wonder why the fuck we were getting data here

when the data vault is literally the next section of the expedition

[subtle verge]

Boutta' ask for more possible transcription help here in about 20 minutes. 👀 Last one of the extension, I promise.

[past matrix]

data vault probably didn't have the data that was needed

[rocky wraith]

Security often means compartmentalisation, which means storing everything in different places

[eternal talon]

well yeah, we find another data vault somewhere in r5 i think somebody mentioned,

but why is the data in the middle of a random dig site?

[rocky wraith]

I'm more concerned about if that was actually ALPHA THREE, given that the name is messed up

[eternal talon]

it is the same location as we are at in bx

[rocky wraith]

fair, but why the messed up name?

[eternal talon]

idk

but we do know factually it's the same spot

[past matrix]

10cc being ambiguous for 0 reason again probably

unless its not actually alpha three or something

[rocky wraith]

Maybe an on-site sequence analysis was performed and the data was kept their and not moved back until the computers where finished sequencing (no confidence)

but even that is.... off

[eternal talon]

it's a fucking dig site

you couldn't get less cleanly

[rocky wraith]

yup

[past matrix]

I mean same reason why there are labs in the complex

[rocky wraith]

true

[past matrix]

its not like the datavault is directly in the digsites like the ones we see in the tile "dig site"; they're in datacenters

[eternal talon]

there ARE research outposts on destination though

we visit one in b1

[past matrix]

OH

you're talking about that

[rocky wraith]

Possibly problems with connecting to each other(?) or problems in processing powers.

[past matrix]

they have to record their data from the digsites somehow

[eternal talon]

they were digging for crystals though. these are bigger than we have ever seen in-game before

besides, you wouldn't "dig" for biological data, you'd do it in a lab under strict quarantine

[subtle verge]

Which is funny to me, if you look at the first Durant log from R6B1. He fusses at one of his team members to not contaminate the area.

[rocky wraith]

Sometimes, but that doesn't mean you can't do a lot of the stuff on site. Most sequencing stuff rarely requires hypersterile environments unless you are dealing with a highly... dangerous.... pathogen... huh hmm

[eternal talon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/eddiemath-thinking-hard-let-see-hmmm-complicated-gif-13489714

[rocky wraith]

Unless they hadn't identified it yet while they were ther

which is weird

would have to check timelines

[eternal talon]

they had to have gotten to the inner to get the artifacts to get to destination in the first place

nam-v was already long out

[rocky wraith]

we already know they treated their workers and miners terribly

Possibly labs there were for quarantining the workers

not allowed back through while there were issues with the spread

they were already implementing strict policies on where everyone could go

[eternal talon]

well at that point, they can't do research for you,

if you are a big dystopian mega conglomerate, why wouldn't you just shoot em'?

SMC. workers live onsite,

that is alot of expenses per worker

[rocky wraith]

unless the researchers were kept seperated from the miners

[eternal talon]

well we were talking about durant's team though

[rocky wraith]

like the divisions between the different classes of personal

[eternal talon]

that's what punk mentioned,

they are all scientists

alpha two is a small research outpost

not some work site

[rocky wraith]

because the B1 was the first exploratory one

not a mining expidition like DX

DX is obviously into the mining stuff, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't also have it co-functioning as research

[eternal talon]

the only parts of DX we have seen are the giant mining pit,

[rocky wraith]

considering you'd want as much on-site research into the crystals local environment

[eternal talon]

and the terminals are literally in the dead center

two of them on janky platforms

suspended between the walls

[rocky wraith]

And the facility hidden in the mountain

[eternal talon]

we don't know where alpha one is though

and far less it's purpose

there really isn't much of anything in d1 other than "boss arena"

[rocky wraith]

Possibly interrupted by the Nemesis before they could do what they wanted

[eternal talon]

well i mean that's still the first place wrdn had us go to get the database

[rocky wraith]

Possibly where they found the first instances of the parasite(?) you want to get as close a possible sample to the source especially in zoonotic transfer scenarios like this

[eternal talon]

problem with that is, the kraken is mobile,

and we have only even seen ONE ruin of the ancient allens on destination

and that was back in b1

nowhere near alpha one

[rocky wraith]

woah wait

I might have missed that

there was an allen ruin?

[eternal talon]

a carved sandstone circle

found it months ago

kind of a dead end trail

[rocky wraith]

that is awesome

[final sentinel]

Time to summon the Bucket

[rocky wraith]

Bucket?

[analog frigate]

bucket

the bucket

[subtle verge]

I don't have access to the emote. But: 💩 🪣

[eternal talon]

i don't have the picture

it's in cx

[frail pollen]

.t bucket

[ruby lake]

||This is my bucket. There are many like it, but this one is mine.||
||My bucket is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.||
||My bucket, without me, is useless. Without my bucket, I am useless. I must use my bucket true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will …||
||My bucket and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit….||
||My bucket is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my bucket clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ….||
||Before God, I swear this creed. My bucket and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.||
||So be it, until victory and there is no enemy, but peace!!||

||https://i.imgur.com/LX0YKiG.png||

[eternal talon]

hahahahaha

you made it a command

[subtle verge]

Truly he is a dangerous man.

[final sentinel]

Right I forgot about the command

[rocky wraith]

wha

fear

[eternal talon]

i don't get it either @rocky wraith

[analog frigate]

do not fear, for the bucket is a way to enlightenment, it will lead us to the truth.

we are but mere mortals unable to comprehend the power it holds

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Bucket

[subtle verge]

So, whoever called it did a really good job at calling it on the Cacophony of Sound log.

... Scout? ... Are you a dog or a cat person? ... Today... We aren't so different, you and I... my friend...
How are you?... Do I look human now?... Animals, by now... How many times... Can I get some vegetables?... No, thanks... Look at all these mineral deposits... It's a mental game at this point... Physically... Yes... Unless... Yes...Spiritual nonsense...Sector clear... Reality? No, I'm good... Yes, me too... No?... Yes... Didn't ask... Me? You?... Still Oblivious... The problem is inflation... No, I... Santonian... Got my [druid soul? 40s]... Project Insight... Very adult of you... Which module did you use?... Didn't have any ID... NAM-V... She's a security threat... A Rundown?... A Rundown?... What's that?... There is no up...Are you sure?... Are you sure it was propane?... That's the bites, and you know it!... So what's your birth... We all got The Stoops... They don't have any memories... That's the problem!... Wakey, wakey... Once they go down there, they're gone... Look, I don't have the clearance.

Not sure what is said at the 40s mark, but it's 3 different voices spliced together.

But that's the speech patterns for Specimen 22/Mimic.

https://www.notion.so/Cacophony-of-Speech-Audio-Log-6eb024d723f941e2a853474e499d1fd4

[rocky wraith]

yem

You could tell because of the broad start, then narrowing down as you get to the end

[subtle verge]

Yeah, CX.

[rocky wraith]

I would love for some audio tech person to be able to isolate each talking bit

there are so many little titbits of info in there

[past matrix]

what about the background talking

[rocky wraith]

"we've all got the stoops"

[rocky wraith]

That 22 was using it to learn how to speak

[eternal talon]

Its just a nickname for nam-v used by SMC. Staff

[rocky wraith]

yush, but a lot of it sounds like it comes from the surface

[subtle verge]

I think a lot of the background noise is just noise for the purposes of the log.

But it's background audio for learning speech patterns, ideally.

[rocky wraith]

but it could also be recorded chatter from hearsay system

[eternal talon]

I fuckin' knew it

It's literally just a jumbled mess of audio

[rocky wraith]

yup

And probably only a fraction of what 22 was feeding on

[subtle verge]

There are some interesting bits of dialogue in there, though. What I transcribed is all of the "major" bits of audio.

[past matrix]

transcribe the minor bits now ezpz

[subtle verge]

The one I had most trouble hearing: "Got my [druid soul?]" is intriguing.

[eternal talon]

Mine wasn't in there, so they were a little selective it would seem

[subtle verge]

It's 3 voices spliced together.

But it would make sense if that were the wording because of the earlier log Curse of Cult that talks about druidic tribes.

[subtle verge]

Sounds like you volunteered!

[past matrix]

it sounds like one of the voices is saying "Myroides"

but the other one is saying something else

i hear "gosh droids" but something tells me that isnt exactly correct

[rocky wraith]

"got my orders"(?)

[subtle verge]

I'd really like to get a full list of the audio cues that were sent out to everyone who signed up for it, but A. I don't know if I could feasibly do it for the sake of developer wishes, and B. I don't know how I would even attempt to do it.

I know there's a small list in the chat channel, but there's only so many words you can use before character limit is up.

[past matrix]

"@everyone DM me if you were sent audio cues"

[rocky wraith]

lol

[subtle verge]

Ideally, I'd want to put it on something that would tally up all of the audio cues, that way it's easier to sort through.

[rocky wraith]

I wonder now whether it's a broad range of audio caught from outside, or a potential look at the inner life of sanctonian through the hearsay system

potentially used by the warden to teach 22?

or did 22 access it themselves?

Shafer heard it talking to itself in pure nonsense for a while before slowly getting better, but he couldn't here it learning from anything(?) could possibly be that the warden was using clips from the hearsay system and feeding it through the neural implant to teach 22?

[past matrix]

0:15 "do you want to survive"
0:31 "fix yourselves"
0:33 "babe, paying attention"?
0:35 "still blending!"
0:59 "so whats your birth" or "show us your birth"
1:01 "dont use it"

[rocky wraith]

coded message from the warden to the squad?

the more the squad become back to their old selves the more memories warden has access to(?)

The more the warden is able to 'feel alive'(?)

shooting in the dark for a lot of this

but some of it feels more right than others

[pallid canyon]

Dang, my voice bit isn't in there

But this is exactly what I expected them to use these clips for

[versed trout]

soooo, ive come here to ask people which pieces of media do you think explain the gtfo lore the best up to rundown 6? I'm trying to get into the lore but not being able to play previous rundowns makes it a little hard. If anyone can DM with a vid or a webpage or a text document or something, would be greatly appreciated! ❤️

[celest pagoda]

Check the pins, and the wiki

you'll find what ya need

[versed trout]

cheers 😄

[pine agate]

You can also check out the expedition descriptions here if you're wondering what the older rundowns were about.

[versed trout]

ooooo thank you very much! i have two text files to get through now hehehe 😄

[eternal talon]

what's with the blood splatter on the floor and walls of the first alarm room in DX?

there are no corpses

[rocky wraith]

Possibly one of the survivors sneaking about got caught(?)

[eternal talon]

One of whom?

It's fresh blood

We don't know of any survivors still around other than schaeffer

[rocky wraith]

ooo

[rocky wraith]

Shafer mentions there are others, but even says its unlikely the rest can live for long

[thick yoke]

Do we know what the mimic is?

[eternal talon]

no

not really

[pine agate]

We got some theories, but it's not certain yet.

[quick grove]

The mimic is dead what more is there to know now

[eternal talon]

IF. S22 is the mimic

[quick grove]

Yeah

[rocky wraith]

well 22 is defo dead. And the mimic seemed to get beaten to death by Shafer, so I would say they are both dead

[burnt wren]

I'm slowly converging on an idea that 22 and mimic are the same entity

As someone pointed out - when that audio log came about with Shafer murdering the shit out of mimic the Warden "paniced" and suddenly wanted to confirm the status of 22. Which turned out to be the mimic, murdered by Shafer.

Also pretty of stupid of Shafer to not take "you have the virus" warning seriously.

[subtle verge]

I came to that conclusion, myself. I think they're one and the same.

Same voice, same pronunciation of words, same physical description.

[rocky wraith]

I am further on the fence about 22/mimic of being the creature that the warden is creating

suddenly feeling it just doesn't fit

[subtle verge]

Why do you feel that way?

[frail pollen]

Shafer >> Schaeffer*

[harsh saffron]

Schäfer; obviously

[subtle verge]

Chaephur

[lilac island]

chipotle 🤔

[eternal talon]

we've literally never heard the voice of s22, you can't make that claim

[subtle verge]

I implied that statement incorrectly, do forgive me. Allow me to restructure: it's the same description from the audio log that Schaeffer described, the voice that talks to Schaeffer in 6.0 is the same exact voice we hear in 6.5 with pronunciations, thus implying that Specimen 22 is most likely the mimic that we've coined.

Schaeffer murders that thing with blunt force trauma. When we see Specimen 22's corpse, we also see the same kind of trauma that killed it (having it's skull bashed into the wall). This matches the audio log where Schaeffer murders it. I think it's heavily implied.

And with the cacophony of sound log, we hear very familiar phrases used by it, the most memorable ones being the use of "friend" and "are you a dog or a cat person?"

[eternal talon]

there is also no link between that log and either the mimic, or s22

[subtle verge]

Now I know you're trolling.

[eternal talon]

genuinely not

[subtle verge]

Come on, broski.

[eternal talon]

there is nothing to even hint at it being biomechanical from what we find

i don't see how anything with even close to human vocal chords could make those sounds

it also describes it growling in SC3-3BF-03

it's described as almost human, but s22 looks plain human

i don't see any visible dust or ashes on the corpse either, which would be plainly visible

there would be a ton more damage if he bashed his skull into the wall like you describe

there are a lot of reasons i refuse to believe the mimic is s22

[subtle verge]

It wouldn't literally be covered in ashes, it was a descriptor used. But nothing really about that screams "plain human" to me, personally. What really throws it that way for me is the gangly arms, it's right arm being the most offending factor in my opinion.

And its oversized hands.

[eternal talon]

this looks like a malnourished human. tell me, are starving people not human?

listen to this audio, this voice,

and tell me this sounds like it came from this creature

it is soo mechanized

there is a literal 0% chance.

[subtle verge]

Don't start that with me, good friend. I've been to countries where people are starving as a first line of help against natural disasters and other humanitarian aid. That statement alone skates a very thin line with me.

[eternal talon]

look at this thing

this isn't some creature with it's head 95% mouth

it doesn't have the cysts of the other sleepers

it looks human

the voice played in the logs,

are like multiple voices synthesized together

you can't make that naturally

it's like speaking into a voicebox, there is reverb to it

that's not natural

biological

s22 isn't mechanical in the slightest, no augmentation visible whatsoever

the closest thing it looks like are the dead humans from the hsu pods

from whichever tank room that was, i saw a picture in here a couple weeks ago

i don't see at all how any of you say its "very likely"

[subtle verge]

Nobody has compared it to being a sleeper, though, at least not within the passed month or so after we delved a bit deeper into it before 6.5. We initially thought that it could have been, but descriptors that were given quickly made it apparent that it wasn't, especially with how the sleepers reacted to it initially. Schaeffer, even in his demented mind, would have declared it to be one of the sleepers, but he never mentioned that at all, instead he used "Almost human, almost..." before continuing on.

In my mind, Specimen 22 fits that description near perfectly, it's "almost human" but it's not quite there, as the proportions are pretty off from what you would consider to be an average human being. As far as the voice goes, that's a pretty natural sound that you or I can make; for us it just takes a lot of practice (false chords is a term used if you're into the music scene). If you've been to some form of speech therapy where people have either damaged their voice box or have had problems in the past where they couldn't use it, this kind of sound is fairly common, but not the only one. That part of our body is a very "use it or lose it" scenario.

[eternal talon]

what do you have to say about it "rebooting"?

a human doesn't reboot.. it isn't a computer

[subtle verge]

When did it reboot? Or are you referencing a point in time of an audio log?

[eternal talon]

the audio log i linked.. it literally drops in pitch after saying must reboot

"fail" and it shuts down

[subtle verge]

Also we absolutely do, but not like a computer, per se. Watch an MMA fight, and you'll see it in action when someone goes on autopilot after being knocked out and continues to try swinging. Mind you, it's not something we can necessarily do without some kind of trauma to the head, but it does exist.

[subtle verge]

At least to my knowledge, I'm not sure if we can force ourselves to "reboot" intentionally.

[past matrix]

also "reboot" can also just not mean reboot as in a computer

[eternal talon]

s22 has zero bionics we can see, and even if it did, that doesn't explain it rebooting

[eternal talon]

the audio log is like, hardcore stereotypical shutting down like you'd see in old cartoons, the pitch gradually goes down until it stops

it also lets out a very synthetic sounding "fail" right before it shuts down

that's not human in the slightest

[past matrix]

wait who said "reboot" has to do with the mimic

[eternal talon]

not like in the log, this isn't a K.O., this is a drawn out thing

[eternal talon]

the mimic itself?

in the audio log

directly above these messages

[eternal talon]

^

[past matrix]

it sounds like the mimic is talking about schaeffer since when schaeffer asks for it to clarify, mimic starts talking about him

[subtle verge]

Oh, I see what you're referencing. It itself is not rebooting, it's telling Schaeffer to "reboot" because he has the virus.

Reboot meaning to get back into the HSU.

[eternal talon]

that's not.

he says "future self" should reboot

and then it ITSELF shuts down after saying fail

this has absolutely zero to do with schaeffer

[past matrix]

To start to exist. I hope that will want our work in hope to end a true, falsk. Future self should reboot.

Schaeffer:
What does that mean? You're not making any sense.

MIMIC:
You mid conversion, a (unintelligible) through not all your mind, friend?

[eternal talon]

future SELF

[subtle verge]

Context matters there a lot, honestly. Warden beat me to it.

[eternal talon]

also explain 2:38-2:51 then

[past matrix]

mimic would have 0 reason to start with anything to do with schaeffer

[subtle verge]

Schaeffer ran off during the things breakdown. I couldn't really tell you why it said "fail" other than what I can interpret as "I've failed to convince him to do something."

[eternal talon]

you lot literally talked about this for an ENTIRE DAY when the extension dropped

[eternal talon]

you don't just say fail then shut down

a human doesn't just randomly shut down

[subtle verge]

I don't think it shut down.

[eternal talon]

nonsense

[subtle verge]

There's nothing there that made it sound like it shut down.

To me, anyway.

"Fail." > insert growly breathing and footsteps < end log

[eternal talon]

literally immediately after saying fail, a sorta oxygen seal sounding noise and decending pitch

[past matrix]

it sounds more like gutteral screams after it

[eternal talon]

no it did gutteral screams before

[past matrix]

and keep in mind that the mimic does kind of appear to be dying at this point

[eternal talon]

@ 2:34

[past matrix]

there's different gutteral screams lmao

one person can make several different noises

[eternal talon]

you guys are literally an echochamber

have fun

[past matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hbfXCXVTB8

2:25

[eternal talon]

yeah, no. i'm not even going to click on that

you want to tell me a human can shut down and reboot, go ahead

you want to tell me the mimic is already dying, go ahead

i'm done with this BS

[rocky wraith]

The creature warden is creating should be unique, possibly one of a kind with the used embryo, I guess it doesn't feel right to have 22 of the versions(?)

[past matrix]

you're literally ignoring the context lmao, the mimic has answered schaeffer's questions before. Nothing about what the mimic says would have anything to do with Schaeffer being "mid conversion" EXCEPT for the final line where he says

future self should reboot

the mimic right now was seemingly trying to warn schaeffer, which makes sense given the most he does is just walk up to him before being beaten to death

[rocky wraith]

neural implant

[eternal talon]

where is it?

[rocky wraith]

in its head

[eternal talon]

do you see a port or anything of the sort on s22?

[rocky wraith]

same with the KSOs

[eternal talon]

i know what neural means

[rocky wraith]

Do the KSO's have ports?

[unborn steppe]

it's entirely possible that the mimic can only talk through certain phrases. when it says reboot it doesn't mean literally reboot. That audiolog with the bunch of phrases the community recording could be all the vocab the mimic knows.

[past matrix]

I mean depending on where it is on his head, s22 does have a somewhat big opening on his head

[eternal talon]

we haven't seen any of the kso's raw heads

[eternal talon]

pick and choose. is it blunt trauma or his neural port?

lmao

[past matrix]

its blunt trauma imo

[rocky wraith]

Plus the neural interfaces don't need ports

[past matrix]

but im just pointing that out; it could have had an implant but like we don't know where exactly/what exactly it looks like so we couldn't tell "ok s22 was hit on the right side of his head where the implant would be"

[rocky wraith]

one of the logs even mentions the data transfer speeds being upgraded

[eternal talon]

if you are going to maintain it you do. people that have pacemakers generally have a specific area that is cut into to replace the pacemaker

nothing internal is EVER set and forget

[rocky wraith]

These are obviously zero maintenance

[rocky wraith]

biodisolvable

this is 2050 after all

[eternal talon]

nothing can be zero maintenance.

[rocky wraith]

yes it can be

[eternal talon]

what if it starts acting up and the person will die?

they're just fucked, then?

[rocky wraith]

they quite literally throw away defective KSO's constantly

in the logs its mentioned several times

[eternal talon]

not all KSOs are legion

[rocky wraith]

Legion are the ones with the implants

and they are constantly binned

"recycled"

deemed defective

[eternal talon]

how do you think the HSUs inject drugs into the users?

[rocky wraith]

orally, intravenously, topically through the HSU

I would think through inhaling the liquid

balancing concentration gradients and such

makes sense to me

It has been a long thought over question with medical tank designs

[eternal talon]

what is the reason why someone would choose an SSD over a hard drive? easier maintenance because of zero moving parts. literally anything that either expires or has moving/vulnerable parts requires maintenance

[rocky wraith]

Neural interfaces do not have moving parts like computers

[eternal talon]

how do you think they interface and transfer data?

[rocky wraith]

Probably made through a neural rig on a frame overlayed onto the brain

[eternal talon]

when they are literally in the rattling skull of a human constantly moving, running, shooting, esc esc

it is almost impossible to avoid maintenance

[rocky wraith]

Protected by the skull

they are just as protected as brain tissue

[eternal talon]

and how, does someone get a concussion then?

because of the brain bashing against the skull

[rocky wraith]

When they get hit, at which point the legionaire is deemed defective and binned if they can't heal in the HSU

[eternal talon]

that's completely ignoring my point

not all KSOs are legion

[rocky wraith]

Do all KSO personall have neural interfaces?

I imagine they don't

[eternal talon]

i would assume so, they must get orders from BIOCOM

they aren't paper orders,

[rocky wraith]

"stacks"

[eternal talon]

it's all digital

[eternal talon]

that's how wrdn processes it, but a stack isn't a stack of papers. it's binary, data, information, objectives.

it's digital

a KSO must have a neural interface to function at all for BIOCOM

[rocky wraith]

I was under the impression that all KSO's were mindless security personal except the higher ups

like how the KSO's weren't supposed to even talk

[eternal talon]

mindless, yet they still have to get orders from biocom, they aren't zombies

[eternal talon]

and biocom has to tell them that

[rocky wraith]

and when one was seen talking it was only because it was ordered to by biocom

[eternal talon]

biocom doesn't speak to us

wrdn never has

it's entirely digital

and remember, dauda wasn't from legion

yet it is all the same

for every player in-game

same hud, same orders, same objectives

[rocky wraith]

not from legion, but still given a neural interface and brainwashed in the same manner

[eternal talon]

no?

dauda's audio log he enters an HSU like schaeffer

just randomly gets in

by himself

though in dauda's case it was to escape sleepers

beating down the door to the zone he was in

[rocky wraith]

yet he still has an interface

[eternal talon]

that's what i've been telling you for 10 minutes

it isn't legion

it's KSOs in general

it's how biocom works

if s22 has anything to do with wrdn whatsoever

it would have an interface

[rocky wraith]

which I believe it doesn't

[eternal talon]

but there is no evidence of it

so either a: it's surgically entered and must be replaced (unlikely because it's in the skull)

or b: it has an external port through the skull sort of like in halo to interface with it, recharge it, and perform maintenance

[rocky wraith]

Eh, I'm sure a neural wireframe shouldn't need to be charged, if you're using predesigned neural cells they can function from the normal nutrients

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith this is dauda's

[south lake]

Mind, there's a type of implant called a cortical stack. Only seen in sci-fi for now, but GTFO is hardly "real world only"

Effectively replaces a vertebra in the spinal column that either acts as data storage or is capable of holding a user's consciousness, depending on the setting.

And would be capable of wireless "updates", in most settings.

[rocky wraith]

poor sod

[eternal talon]

like schaeffer, he wasn't in legion at all, or really a kso either

he just got into a pod

so it would seem likely most of the workforce has these interfaces, otherwise i don't even know what

[south lake]

I'm still freshly woken up, so I could be completely missing the mark, but what if the "stack updates" they refer to are orders being planted into their minds VIA cortical stack?

[rocky wraith]

possibly

[eternal talon]

it's neural, it's in the skill

in the brain matter

[rocky wraith]

neural can still mean nervous system in spine

[south lake]

A cortical stack would also explain how they're able to effectively go braindead inside an HSU but still come back during revival procedure.

[rocky wraith]

CNS

[eternal talon]

well it's basically a medically induced coma. they are forced into stasis

[south lake]

A medically induced coma still sees brain activity.

From what I remember reading, a KSO in hydrostasis has none whatsoever

[eternal talon]

they aren't braindead in hsu i'm fairly sure

@subtle verge

[eternal talon]

is hsu = braindead?

[rocky wraith]

but obviously whatever state their brain is in is not good, given that memories decay

[eternal talon]

amnestics are things

[south lake]

Their body is kept alive mechanically, but their brain is effectively "switched off", from what I remember.

[eternal talon]

the memory decay is on purpose

[south lake]

There would have been mention of them administering drugs to KSOs to make them lose their memories.

[rocky wraith]

what about the mars ship? I thought that failed due to the effects of hydrostasis on the crew

[eternal talon]

there are. not to make them lose memories explicitly, but of administering drugs

[rocky wraith]

using the symptoms to their advantage for the creation of the legion

[eternal talon]

yes, but that doesn't mean they can't help it along

[rocky wraith]

the HSU in general losing memories is not on purpose

[south lake]

I think you're grasping at straws.

[eternal talon]

i'm not

[rocky wraith]

Its why they had very little use outside of the legion program

[south lake]

You are. You've never once agreed with or left alone a theory if I was the one who put it forward.

[eternal talon]

?

[south lake]

I think you're disagreeing just to do so, basically.

[rocky wraith]

Either way I don't think the neural interfaces get maintained. No ports either

[eternal talon]

haven't we only argued like 3 times in recent MONTHS?

[eternal talon]

they can't just have infinite energy

it takes power, electricity to maintain a signal and the transfer of data

[rocky wraith]

they use what the brain uses

[eternal talon]

i don't think that's really plausible, we've never seen anything like that

[rocky wraith]

yes, chemical-electric discharges

[rocky wraith]

we literally do that in to our neural lab cells

[eternal talon]

something like data transfers take a ton of energy

[rocky wraith]

nope, very little

[eternal talon]

and these would be under constant 24/7 use

[rocky wraith]

You'd be surprised the resilience of the bioenergetics of the brain

[south lake]

Frosty, there's literally entire laboratories working on neuro-interpretive prosthetics, and they're making quite a lot of progress.

[rocky wraith]

And making short range energy transfers would be made pretty easy using what is there

[eternal talon]

still, dauda wasn't a part of kovac or legion

and wouldn't there be scars anyhow from such a procedure?

[rocky wraith]

Nope

especially because they are in HSU so much

[south lake]

And not all surgeries scar, besides.

[rocky wraith]

They literally use the HSU fluid to regenerate and grow tissues all the time

[eternal talon]

??

[rocky wraith]

yup

[eternal talon]

since when do we know what the fluid even is let alone what it do

[rocky wraith]

It's what they're growing the sleepers in in all the levels

[eternal talon]

okay that just sounds like nonsense

they don't grow sleepers

that's..

[rocky wraith]

Because thats what they list in their orders for growing the tissues for the different projects

[eternal talon]

WHERE

[rocky wraith]

They have been, haven't you been looking around the levels??

[eternal talon]

\

[rocky wraith]

this

It's HSU fluid mixed with growth serum and protein mixes

[eternal talon]

where are you getting this information?

[rocky wraith]

plus a lot of spinal fluid

[eternal talon]

WHERE

ARE

YOU

GETTING