gtfo-lore

[glossy wigeon]

It's a baby... cryo pod?

[finite vine]

yep

[glossy wigeon]

Oh. oh my goodness.

[finite vine]

People are speculating that the Mimic is a neonate grown up, which it seems possible (I am currently not convinced though)

[glossy wigeon]

From just that first audio log, it seems like the uh.. Sleepers might be getting towards more sentient behavior? Though the friend thing is interesting.

[finite vine]

In R3 we resuscitated the Neonate HSU, opened it, and then hooked it up to a neural frame, and left it there.

[subtle verge]

It's not a sleeper! But one can make a small connection there.

[glossy wigeon]

So... we put a baby in essentially Mr. House's control pod?

[finite vine]

well we don't really know what the neural frame does. It sticks a large needle into what ever you hook up to it. We think it reads/ writes DNA.

[pine agate]

Technically it was Losty, but we contributed a little.

[subtle verge]

More or less. It's not a legitimate "baby" but more a young mass of flesh.

[glossy wigeon]

Ooh that's spooky. What if The Mimic was that Neonyte after being NEEDLED

[finite vine]

It kinda looks like a baby though?

[subtle verge]

Yeah, I guess it does to an extent?

[finite vine]

its got legs and arms, it definitely looks like normal baby.

[pine agate]

Ah, I've been deceived then

[glossy wigeon]

It does have limbs! I'll give ya that!

[pine agate]

Deceived myself.

[glossy wigeon]

It happens to the best of us.

Well, it's got a heartbeat! So it's... something, that's for sure.

Decent blood pressure too.

Also, when you reach a new level (like B1 and B2) are those two missions assumed to happen at the same time? If so, does The Warden have multiple sets of prisoners?

[finite vine]

they are not really assumed to happen at the same time. the warden does have multiple sets of prisoners though. Schaeffer used to be one, but his entire team died and he decided not to get back into his HSU pod.

[glossy wigeon]

Oh that's neat. So he's just chilling out in the facility now?

[finite vine]

That's why hes just wandering around the complex and leaving us messages.

[finite vine]

yep

[glossy wigeon]

Does he just have... plot armor?

Or did he take every tool from his dead teammates and start runnin around

[finite vine]

yea lol, I think he does. He just sneaks around through the vents to get around though.

[glossy wigeon]

Stealing all the medipacks I need, dangit.

And killing arguably the most interesting guy yet!

What good has this Schaeffer fellow done?

[finite vine]

In CX, we find his hideout and it appears that he's starting to make a plan to retaliate against the Warden.

[glossy wigeon]

Oh yikes!

Is there like.. a reason? Or is he just generally upset his comrades in arms died.

Cause the Warden seems chill at the moment.

[pine agate]

I'd say he's starting to put the plan into motion though, since we already learn about his plan back in R5C3

[finite vine]

Well he does not want to be a prisoner anymore. He knows there are other groups as well. I guess he just wants to help everyone escape.

[glossy wigeon]

Seems a bit selfish though. What with all the spooks in the complex that are being handled by the prisoners.

[finite vine]

well the warden keeps a ton of people captive and sends them to die.

I personally think the warden might be doing this stuff for a good reason, for example, trying to find a cure for NAM-V

[glossy wigeon]

Compared to what I've read in other logs? it doesn't really seem like it'd be better if they were allowed free

[finite vine]

yea actually that's a good point.

they don't get to see the light of day though, they don't even really get to eat.

a pretty sucky life

but a life on the surface might be worse

[pine agate]

I find it funny that after we initiate the Influx Protocol to "reactivate" the sleeping KSO's, then 1.0 drops and we see a lot of new players joining, as if they were the sleeping KSOs we woke up in R5E1

[finite vine]

lol

[glossy wigeon]

Ah, yes. I'm part of the new sleeper guy program.

[pine agate]

Hope you had a good nap

[glossy wigeon]

Honestly I needed the sleep

Alright, reading up on Rundown five it does seem like The Warden is at least trying to keep its prisoners alive? With the "okay yikes sector loss better get outta here fellas"

[finite vine]

true. the warden will do whatever it takes to complete its objective though.

there are literally missions where we are used as distractions for parallel objectives.

[glossy wigeon]

I mean, it's a robot, right? At this point (where we seem to be the SPEC OPS units of prisoners) I feel it's more a calculated risk.

Give the guys who are actually good at pointing rifles the distraction job while letting lower skill guys work with reduced threat.

[finite vine]

yea the WRDN is a modified version of BIOCOM, a decision intelligence. It is possible for humans to be involved though, because we have many logs describing people overseeing BIOCOM and modifying its objective stacks.

[glossy wigeon]

And.. is the BIOCOM the one that runs the facility, and the WRDN is an outside entity trying to gain access?

[finite vine]

Also, someone had to create WRDN and inherit BIOCOM's code

[finite vine]

yea BIOCOM's servers are located within KDS deep. We don't know if WRDN is outside or inside the complex, or when it came to be.

iirc we still don't know.

[glossy wigeon]

KDS deep is where those bunch of HSU pods were, right? That brought in an influx of new prisoners?

[finite vine]

yes

yea, from the 2018 trailer. I do think there are humans involved.

true.

[glossy wigeon]

Neat.

[finite vine]

its not like the complex has conveyor belts that could transport the neonate to wherever it was imprinted at. (its unlikely, but not impossible though.)

[glossy wigeon]

Maybe another team got orders to deal with it?

[royal finch]

Do we ever hear what happened to the leaders that basically ran the entire project/garganta?

[finite vine]

yea that's possible

[glossy wigeon]

I'm assuming "dead, dead, and triple dead" are pretty good guesses, but I'm just as clueless as you.

This whole facility was an iridium mine, yeah?

[finite vine]

no, we don't know what happened to them. Im sure some of them survived though. Especially is Schaeffer did.

[glossy wigeon]

Wait, I thought Schaeffer was a prisoner?

[finite vine]

started as an Iridium mine, became a research facility.

[finite vine]

he actually was an employee, C tier clearance. He was a pit boss.

[royal finch]

If there's a possibility they're alive, they could be one of the people "being" the warden 👀

[finite vine]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=5277cdc6c7b24e02924afbee55be697b

listen to these logs, they describe Schaeffer before he got into the wardens hands.

[royal finch]

😔 Rip Andrew/Anders

[glossy wigeon]

Wait... if Schaeffer is just crawling around in the vents, what is he eating?

Or drinking, for that matter.

[finite vine]

I mean there is water in a lot of places, and hes probably eating the plants in the floodways

[royal finch]

Or finding some leftovers that aren't expired yet 🤷‍♂️

Though idk what isn't expired by now.

[glossy wigeon]

So was Schaeffer released when we opened up KDS deep? And if not, how'd he get out early?

Interesting. So who busted him out?

Might explain why he's a bit.. odd, yeah?

Maybe he didn't shutdown his HSU all the way.

[finite vine]

He was around before KDS deep was activated, which raises a lot of questions for discussion.

[eternal talon]

It's not that, it's a discrepancy

He went into KDS deep to find any Kovac still around. They were all sleeping. To avoid the sleepers in the adjacent zones, he shut the doors and for some unknown reason, they wouldn't open back up

He is there for a while, and starts to starve to death. To avoid this, he enters an HSU

Problem is, WRDN doesn't have access to this part of gargana until the end of R5.

But Schaeffer, post KSOification breaks away from his squad in r4

Long before he could have even awoken. HSUs essentially induce a medical coma, and even if he did wake, he would have starved to death in KDS deep.

Personally I think the Allens had something to do with it, but we literally have no idea how his HSU got out of there and into a place the wrdn could find and access it to assign him to his squad.

[glossy wigeon]

What's an Allen?

[eternal talon]

Temporary name for the hyper advanced species of aliens that made the matter wave projector, artifacts, and sent the meteor to earth

We know very little about them.

[glossy wigeon]

The aliens made the matter wave projector? It looked man-made just with a chunk of spacerock stuffed into it.

Huh.

[eternal talon]

Project insight made a shell for it to socket it into their teleporters based on Allen tech, but the internals of the device are entirely foreign to humanity.

[glossy wigeon]

Ah, gotcha.

[eternal talon]

The data cubes we collect in c1 are also, entirely of allen origin.

They socket into the WMP and alow it to teleport to a specific location in space faster than light.

Specifically, it would appear Destination, (where we get teleported to in a1, c1, d1, cx, and dx) is in the butterfly nebula, 3 thousand light-years away from earth

This specifically, was determined rather recently when coordinates from a pre-6.5 log on the santonian industries website had a cipher that I cracked. Rayalot and others narrowed down the coordinates to the Mid-Atlantic ridge,

And someone, I forgot (again) who, used the coordinates on a star chart and found them to be exact for the center of this nebula

[glossy wigeon]

There's a santonian industries website?

[eternal talon]

Yes.

Some lore logs are exclusive there.

[glossy wigeon]

Are there more secrets to find on it?

Ooh, is the link somewhere?

[solar nova]

https://santonianindustries.com/

[eternal talon]

Occasionally.

If you are interested in learning the lore, I have an in-depth summary in the pins here.

[glossy wigeon]

MzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMz
Was the log that started with this the cipher you cracked? Or is it just gibberish.

[eternal talon]

Yes.

[glossy wigeon]

Ooh, that's fun. How'd you figure it out?

[eternal talon]

I ran it through base64

And we got sets of two didget numbers that had been used In a previous cipher

From there, it was easy for others familiar with that past cipher

For me, after the C# and Base64 part, I was completely fucking useless and clueless, lol

[rich blaze]

To be accurate

It's not in the mid Atlantic ridge

We're between it and Cabo Verde Plateau

And I was the one to link it with the butterfly Nebula, it lines up to the exact digit

[rocky wraith]

I love that it works the same way as terminals

"This, of course, is all moot pending Rise, but who knows how long that will be.

At some point I’d like to address the auditory response irregularity noted in my previous report. While the short
-term solution is to simply offer ear protection for operatives who are overly sensitive to certain frequencies,
I’d like to put together a team to research the problem. Let me know."

Rise program expected to make KSO quads redundant?

and what is the auditory response problem in KSO's?

Rise seems to be the program to do with creating sleepers(?) that listen to commands(?)

Or at least a variant of them which they control(?)

[subtle verge]

RISE more seems like creating blank slate bodies that could host BIOCOM functionality, to me.

As far as the auditory response issue, no clue. Lmao.

[rocky wraith]

Yeah that seems to work

possibly KSO's not listening to orders?

[analog frigate]

personally i think rise is about working out the neonate

[rocky wraith]

sensitivity to certain frequencies is unusual

[serene fractal]

Especially since the name RISE, to me, suggests attempting to transcend the limits of our bodies

[rocky wraith]

"September 3rd 2050" message referring to RISE program dated here

Very early on they were looking at this

[burnt wren]

Or you know... Just rise in a basic sense. Becoming fleshed out.

[serene fractal]

I don't think it's a coincidence that DX is titled Ascent

[burnt wren]

It would actually make sense for them to try and replace us with blank clones.

[rocky wraith]

Ascending the final complex.(?)

in order of terminals(?)

[serene fractal]

RISE leads us to the neonate which we have clues of working as a host for mental imprinting, and Ascend, being where we find it

[burnt wren]

Too many issues with brainwashing unstable inmates. Ability to just create blank droids for Warden to control is a win all fronts and frankly far less ethically problematic than what they do to us.

[rocky wraith]

and kill it tho

[rocky wraith]

Plus mentioned in message about the 'faults' of KSO's appearing under extended duress

[burnt wren]

They do have to consider the possibility of us going rogue or God forbid realising what happened to them.

Bishop in particular will be very unhappy once he comes to his senses.

There's an old lady out there who needs a bullet

Woods and Hackett though might not care...

[rocky wraith]

Anyone got a time frame for when the Sleepers first appeared? I know infected miners were being referred to as stoopers early on. But I can't seem to find exactly when first appearance was scene or any incident?

[serene fractal]

Speaking of KSO faults; I've always found it curious that in all of the logs about KSOs, and in the case of Bishop for the Expedition logs, directly referencing KSO personalities as just robots that can't really think for themselves and yet our characters very much question what's going on and talk among themselves

[analog frigate]

approx the end of 2053 iirc

[rocky wraith]

So around the time of the first teleportations?

[analog frigate]

they'd have no need to plan for such, since hypothetically we have lost our memories and can't exactly do much

[rocky wraith]

There seems to be a change in the characters before rundowns started and after

[analog frigate]

that and the neural cortexes

[burnt wren]

@serene fractal I noticed that discrepancy too. Either it's a plothole, or Warden eased up on the mind wiping procedure to not accidentally wipe out our tactical capabilities and skills.

[analog frigate]

i don't remember there being a date assigned to when project insight started working with teleportation

[rocky wraith]

No plot hole, its covered in one of the emails

basically after prolonged combat the KSO's become less robotic and more emotional as their previous personalities return to them under extreme stress. This is why they wanted the RISE program, and also why we see our characters change from before when they were doing nothing but patrols and escorts, to being constantly fighting sleepers

[analog frigate]

that does see viable

we know that memory loss is only a side effect of HSUs that was abused, so it wouldn't be perfect

[rocky wraith]

It was noted that memories started to become shared between prisoners in the HSU's, waking up with other peoples memories in your head etc

Shafer mentioned it at one point

[analog frigate]

which log exactly?

[serene fractal]

I don't remember that at all

[rocky wraith]

A BX or CX one, but also in A1 I think

[burnt wren]

I remember an audio log where they were talking with Woods and voicing concerns that his "old behaviour patterns" were coming back.

[rocky wraith]

there seemed to be issues with him trying to sort out which memories was his

[burnt wren]

Also do we have anything on the failed space expedition?

[rocky wraith]

Problems with the whole crew waking up from HSU with no memories resulting in catastrophe

[burnt wren]

From what I understand the crew lost their memories and... Just went insane and started killing each other? Or what?
Failed to maintain the ship?

[serene fractal]

Unknown

[rocky wraith]

I'm not sure about killing each other

[serene fractal]

All we know is that the ship worked fine, and yet it crashed

[subtle verge]

All we have is what the logs told us. I have a fairly crack pot theory that not a lot of folks agree with, and anecdotal evidence to back it up.

[rocky wraith]

but considering space ships, negligence can result in big problems

[burnt wren]

It crashes trying to land, right?

Not a surprise if pilots forgot everything.

[subtle verge]

The only problem I have with the blanket statement of what the log tells us is that muscle memory isn't forgotten, and generally if you're a pilot for anything, you'd have the muscle memory of what you need to do.

That's why KSOs are still effective combatants.

[rocky wraith]

Good point

Where were they going to? Destination?

[subtle verge]

Mars.

[rocky wraith]

huh

[subtle verge]

That space mission, Red Alpha, was years before Garganta.

[rocky wraith]

a couple month trip right

[burnt wren]

It's always the space expedition that makes the beginning of the end...

[rocky wraith]

and KSO's spend waaaay longer in HSU

[subtle verge]

The TL;DR of my crack pot theory is that there was outside interference, which ties in to my theory on outside interference with why Dr. Durant's team was left to die.

Either an early iteration of BIOCOM, or some other variant of suggestive directive.

[rocky wraith]

I think Durants team was left due to teething problems with the temporal regulators

[burnt wren]

Outside interference would explain some things.

[rocky wraith]

Though outside interfertence with the probes coordinates may also be a valid theory given that Durant directly mentions it

[burnt wren]

Can't blame everything on incompetence...

[analog frigate]

it seemed more so hinted towards sabotage

[subtle verge]

I have a theory pinned called Jansen x Gustavo, but it's kind of a stretch theory.

[rocky wraith]

And also how there is weirdness with B1 forming a direct link with Destination and allowing the Floaters thorugh

[subtle verge]

It goes into detail of why I think foul play is the reasoning.

[analog frigate]

since durant listed off all the possible causes of complete connection loss to garganta, but then stopped and completely denied something else happening

[analog frigate]

that's a bit more into why it could be foul play, since now everything is fine

and it was even open to the point that flyers poured out, spread throughout the facility, until we closed it

[eternal talon]

DX is titled ascent because of the staircase of death lmao

[harsh saffron]

could be both tho

[serene fractal]

Good writing often hides double meaning within things

[eternal talon]

-> points at the discrepancy

[burnt wren]

Btw wtf are even floaters

And the big Lovecraft thing

[eternal talon]

squidward?

[final sentinel]

We think they're aliens, I believe

[burnt wren]

Dead space style "everything fused into one"?

[final sentinel]

Frost knows

[eternal talon]

think if it like the equivalent of a big infected whale

[burnt wren]

Infestation ate the whole planet?

[subtle verge]

Lifeforms that naturally inhabit Destination.

[final sentinel]

man imagine a sleeper shark

[eternal talon]

not really

it's just one huge infected individual

[burnt wren]

Wtf did it infect? A fuckin ' tree?

GTFO is an Elden ring sequel confirmed

[eternal talon]

though it appears to be aquatic, so the air bladders that allow it to fly are entirely the parasite's doing

[burnt wren]

Yeah

Sleepers give off huge aquatic life form vibes, don't know whu

[eternal talon]

some huge ocean creature, given it's size and biology, repurposed by the parasite to fly

[final sentinel]

maybe the floaters are babies of the species

[eternal talon]

it's possible it was infected thousands of years ago or maybe millions,

when oceans were larger on destination, before it is the desert it is now in the region.

[eternal talon]

negatory

[hot burrow]

I’m getting dead space 3 vibes from this

[final sentinel]

darn

[eternal talon]

they have completely different physiology

if anything, it looks like the parasite is using the kraken as essentially an aircraft carrier for these other species

[analog frigate]

genetically that wouldn't make sense, since the change from being able to shoot projectiles and floating, to being a bipedal life form, using its intestines to attack, wouldn't make any sense

[final sentinel]

Ah, I meant babies of the kraken species

[serene fractal]

Air bladders? Are those on the backside or something?

[eternal talon]

one the parasite has access to a species, EVERYTHING in it's genetic database is at it's disposal

[eternal talon]

the tumors. after you pop them, it falls to its death

[hot burrow]

Sounds like the flood from halo

[final sentinel]

Kraken is to floater as Mother is to baby was the thought I had in mind

[serene fractal]

I just figured they were, well, tumors. They were the only weak point at it died from us shooting it

I guess they could be air bladders though? Seem a little small for something that big

[burnt wren]

Yep

[analog frigate]

the kraken?

[burnt wren]

Also air bladders are usually on the inside of fish

[eternal talon]

to a degree.

[analog frigate]

oh don't get me started on how the kraken doesn't comply with physics

[eternal talon]

indeed,

[analog frigate]

if they made it a worm, sure it makes sense, but it floats

which causes so many issues

[eternal talon]

though it wouldn't make sense otherwise for it to immediately plummet after us breaking enough of them.

[analog frigate]

it wouldn't be supported by them, since then it would start falling faster and faster the more we break

[eternal talon]

yes, but this isn't nature. this is the parasite manipulating something already there to suit its needs. humans' heads aren't 90% mouth IRL

[serene fractal]

I mean, it could be doing something to keep itself afloat we just don't understand considering that big tentacles balls are also capable of flight. And killing it would just make it fall

[analog frigate]

so they don't supported, it specifically floated down somehow to leave

[eternal talon]

gameplay mechanic? it floats around the arena while fighting it

[hot burrow]

Would be cool if that boss fight went different. Instead of shooting weak points we had to use another means of killing it

[analog frigate]

imagine them as tails on animals, they can support itself up (very very hard but possible technically)

[eternal talon]

it didn't float down, that fucker FELL. i just replayed d1 with randos

[serene fractal]

I'm not sure I'm convinced that those were doing anything to keep it floating, I think it just stops being able to do...whatever it does to float once we kill it and it falls. I'll accept it as a possibility though

[analog frigate]

it definitely is a gameplay mechanic, but i will nitpick on every part of the game if it doesn't make sense from a realistic standpoint

[eternal talon]

the Schaeffer discrepancy is a far bigger issue from a realistic standpoint, imo

[analog frigate]

there was that time that the drop crane/elevator at the start of the game made me have an aneurysm

but after checking the details, it made sense accounting for the laws of physics

[serene fractal]

We don't have all of the info yet so I don't know if I would call it a writing discrepancy yet. A hole in the timeline though? absolutely

[burnt wren]

IMHO kraken design was kinda ridiculous

[analog frigate]

(even g forces which is a big good job on 10Cs part)

[analog frigate]

such stuff as that have happened before

schaeffer also didn't make sense before r6

[serene fractal]

It's non-linear storytelling

bound to happen

[eternal talon]

schaeffer being out of hsu in r4 when KDS deep was sealed until r5

thats a major plot hole

[analog frigate]

if we can find it that easily, and they haven't done anything about it, it's safe to assume it's on purpose

[eternal talon]

He went into KDS deep to find any Kovac still around. They were all sleeping. To avoid the sleepers in the adjacent zones, he shut the doors and for some unknown reason, they wouldn't open back up
He is there for a while, and starts to starve to death. To avoid this, he enters an HSU
Problem is, WRDN doesn't have access to this part of gargana until the end of R5.
But Schaeffer, post KSOification breaks away from his squad in r4

[serene fractal]

It cannot be declared a plot hole until we have all of the info, something very well could have happened prior. It is however, a hole in our timeline that we should pay attention to

[eternal talon]

it's not prior, it's post prior

it's post kso-ificiation

in r4d1, it's the log about his squad dying

[serene fractal]

Isn't that during the fall though?

[eternal talon]

the date of the log doesnt matter, it's that it was written and we find it before wrdn has access to kds deep

[serene fractal]

The date of the log absolutely matters?

[eternal talon]

not at all

it's r4

but could only happen naturally past r5.

so something very unusual must have happened

canonically, the rundowns are in order.

it's that 4 is before 5 that is the problem

something got his pod from KDS deep into a place where WRDN could access it at minimum an entire rundown before WRDN has us open KDS deep

[serene fractal]

But wasn't the log in question from the beginning of Garganta falling?

[eternal talon]

if not WRDN and his teams, then WHO?

[eternal talon]

no

[serene fractal]

I must be thinking of the new one

[eternal talon]

this is the log with his team dying and him rebelling. he says "fuck the warden" in this log aswell

[burnt wren]

Dead space 1 final boss looked more realistic, as snake like structure of pure muscles I can imagine being able to support such a creature.

Kraken is weird. It's like a giant stiff log pointing at the sky. It makes no sense.

Unless it was only a small bit of it, with main body hiding in the fog...

[eternal talon]

its not, we can see it's entire structure.

[burnt wren]

Hmmm

[eternal talon]

looking down over the cliff, you can see the ends of it's tentacles

[burnt wren]

Makes me think of giraffe beetle

[serene fractal]

The floaters themselves don't make any more or less sense to me than the kraken so I'm alright with it 🤷

[burnt wren]

Oh yeah they are weird too...

Some space magic or something

[eternal talon]

you must remember, alien life, is completely alien to us

[hot burrow]

Meatball magic

[eternal talon]

that might neccessarily even be carbon based

[burnt wren]

Alien life is bound by laws of physics still too

[eternal talon]

they can fly, teleport, and seemingly do so for an infinite amount of time

[subtle verge]

Keep in mind that our laws of physics aren't absolutes. 👀

Seemingly every year we seem to "break the laws of physics" in one way or another.

[serene fractal]

Also it's science fiction and we have the MWP. I'm willing to suspend disbelief for some floaties

[burnt wren]

Their moving patterns are very weird

It's like they're swimming through the air...

[final sentinel]

yeah, especially when they rotate on the y axis

looks so weird to see them turning like that

[burnt wren]

Then again artifacts are a thing as well

Perhaps they ate one or another and now it pets then levitate

[eternal talon]

given a hydraulic press SHATTERED, i don't think eating them is the trick

the floaters seem to ingest the crystals found on destination

[burnt wren]

The black crystals right?

[eternal talon]

crystals =/= artifacts

[burnt wren]

They are very sus, but so far nothing on them...

[eternal talon]

the artifacts are creations by the allens for unknown purpose, other than they are nigh unbreakable

[burnt wren]

So, where do you think this is going? Lovecraftian planet eating horrors, bio weapon out of control, just a very hostile predatory species that aliens had bad luck with?

[eternal talon]

realistically, it is either native to destination, arrived at destination the same way it arrived at earth, or the allens created it in a lab and it got out of control (mega covid)

who knows. allen tech is absolutely ridiculously advanced.

[celest pagoda]

Wanted to quickly bring an idea to the table; the tan skinned sleepers are an oddity due to how no sunlight reaches the depths of Garganta. The ones we encounter on Destination share this same tan skin.

Therefore, could it he possible the tan skinned sleepers are a result of the harsh sun of Destination, and have somehow found their way back to Garganta as the flyers have?

[eternal talon]

negatory.

the portal for the fliers to get through was only let open by our team in b1

and closed in d1

if they appeared before r6, the answer is it cannot have been the case.

[analog frigate]

chargers are the opposite in terms of pigmentation to the regular sleepers

[eternal talon]

oh, he is talking about chargers?

[analog frigate]

they have too much pigmentation, leading to the black colour

[eternal talon]

chargers are a completely different variant

[analog frigate]

yes

[celest pagoda]

No, I meant the tan wave sleepers. Although I now see my point is void.

[eternal talon]

we never see chargers on destination though

well i mean garganta has greenhouses,

maybe they got locked in the hothouse for too long

or they could just be of a darker natural skin color

[analog frigate]

oh the ones we see in BX with the slight tan

i remember now

[eternal talon]

i don't.

[analog frigate]

those are probably the personnel of those locations

since alpha 3 is an entire facility

[eternal talon]

alpha 3 is a huge mining complex with the surface exposed on destination

[analog frigate]

and knowing that they have a lot of genetic code from us, it's safe to assume that the tan is like human's

[eternal talon]

wait, do we never complete our main objective in dx?

immediately after finding s22 we leave

and didn't we already get the genome data in d1?

why would we need to download it again?

the only genome that matters is nam-v

it's a bit late to find a cure for nam-v now.

[serene fractal]

Understanding the genetics of the aliens would be rather helpful too, I imagine

[eternal talon]

i suppose, but honestly it isn't anything concrete

[serene fractal]

Honestly I figured that's what the goal of D1 was, not for NAM-V

[eternal talon]

the only specimens we have seen are infected, and thus mutated by the parasite

[burnt wren]

Is anyone besides Warden and our guys still alive even?

Or is it just us 5 left at gargsnta?

[analog frigate]

unknown

we know that there are other teams of prisoners

but not how many

[burnt wren]

A lonely AI and 4 amnesiacs, desperately trying to do something

In some forgotten hole in the ocean

Btw is this why the elevator always so wet? Or is there a 24/7 rain or something?

[analog frigate]

there are storms constantly

unknown why

either we only drop when it rains or there actually are constant storms

geographically there wouldn't be storms always

but we don't know how the in-game earth in the 2060s or so is like

[warm bronze]

around the yucatan peninsula they have a rainy season, we could assume that maybe that's the season weve been dropping during?

[analog frigate]

possible, but we don't know at what time we play

currently it seems somewhere around late 2060s, early 2070s

or something similar at least

[serene fractal]

I just kinda figured it was 2060's climate change

[analog frigate]

possible, but we really don't have anything

[warm bronze]

thatd also be a possibility, based off the lore future earth is pretty different from how it is now

[eternal talon]

it's not future earth...

it's not time travel

[analog frigate]

definitely much different

[analog frigate]

he means as in earth in the future

2060s

or something similar

[warm bronze]

yeah

[analog frigate]

no time travel involved

[serene fractal]

Considering that Santonian got clearance to build Garganta in the first place, methinks there are few to no environmental regulations left at the time

[warm bronze]

gtfo time period earth would be a better way to put it, I suppose

[eternal talon]

people were pissed, look at state of truth broadcast

[analog frigate]

there definitely are, they didn't build it just like that

[eternal talon]

in cx

[analog frigate]

also r5 state of truth

[serene fractal]

Yeah, people are pissed now too. Stuff is still happening though

[analog frigate]

the only way they did it is to bribe gustavo, some figure in power in the yucatan (politician?), by doing him a favour

[eternal talon]

basically nobody left alive to be pissed

[serene fractal]

No I mean irl. Everybody knows what we're doing to the planet, but there hasn't been all that much done to stop it

[eternal talon]

well no duh, everybody pushes it off as somebody else' problem

realistically speaking, nobody is ever going to do anything and earth is doomed

[analog frigate]

ironic

[eternal talon]

it's a self-fulfilling prophecy

nobody believes their impact would be enough to anything so nobody does anything

and it doesn't help with countries like the US and China pumping millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere

[analog frigate]

and then they say that it's the people's responsibility

one person going completely green for 70 years saves around 1 second of CO2 from the industrial sector

anyway

[burnt wren]

Mostly China... Then again what do we do? Go back to stone age? Good luck convincing people of that.
Wind / solar doesn't seem to be viable, and people are scared of nuclear at the same time.

[serene fractal]

Tidal power is the way to go honestly

[eternal talon]

the entire population of the US, that's 10 years

[analog frigate]

wind and solar are more than viable if actually invested into, nuclear is super efficient, almost no waste and super safe these days

[analog frigate]

tidal is too costly due to building infrastructure and maintaining it underwater

[eternal talon]

everybody is afraid of the next Chernobyl, and nuclear is extremely underfunded nowadays

[warm bronze]

true, hydropower is pretty reliable but solar is also pretty good too- especially when people use things like solar batteries so on a stormy day and at night you'll still have some extra power etc etc

[analog frigate]

also you can just run solar/wind since when it's sunny you can get a lot of solar and a bit of wind, then when it's cloudy or there is a storm, a bit of solar and a lot of wind

so there's always power

[eternal talon]

this is the entire population of china (1.39 billion)

[warm bronze]

it can also kill a lot of underwater wildlife who may wander into those powerplants and stuff

[eternal talon]

it isn't that hard of a problem to mitigate, but nobody wants to.

[analog frigate]

it's not about the people not wanting to, it's hard to do so

[serene fractal]

Individual responsibility helps, yes, but it is corporations who cause the problem

[eternal talon]

primarily,

[warm bronze]

it is really hard, it also depends on your area when talking about recycling and stuff

[eternal talon]

but even people themselves CAN help

[analog frigate]

precisely

[analog frigate]

it's much easier to remove the bigger part of the issue than weed out the smaller

why make everyone change their lifestyles when you can just make corporations change what they do

[warm bronze]

itd have more effect too, the problem is getting corporations to do it

[eternal talon]

honestly, nothing is going to stop these countries other than national revolt in the places they operate, and everyone knows that won't ever happen

it's human nature to doom ourselves.

[analog frigate]

that will happen someday

at least in the countries i'm familiar with

anyway, let's keep it more gtfo lore

real life lore is a bit boring

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/bunch-of-aliens-aliens-freaking-aliens-ufo-ufo-sighting-gif-21433555

[serene fractal]

👄

[eternal talon]

the WRDN bot is still online

[frail pollen]

crazy

[final sentinel]

man I felt that 😔

[rich blaze]

real life lore feels boring cause you don't know where to look

[solar patio]

I mean I'd say it is pretty hard, but yeah this is the lore channel.

[rocky wraith]

Genome of parasite, genome of NAM-V, genome of the sleepers, genome of the aliens like floaters and such etc

even the genome of infected humans would be important as the proteomics of the sleepers is completely different from normal humans

On top of genomics the epigenome of the aliens, sleepers, and infected humans is important in understanding mRNA and protein expression changes and regulation

Gene expression changes in different stages of sleepers and different stages of aliens is also vital if you wanna grow your own

On top of all that, post-translational modifications and emergent interactions in-vivo are also fundamental in understanding what is going on in sleepers and the interactions of the parasite and NAM-V

I imagine the Warden has a lot of processing and simulations to do

which is probably why growing the neo-natal had such a low success chance and low stabilisation rate, the sheer amount of unknowns being worked through before you acquire the genome data is astronomical

[lilac island]

🤔

[rocky wraith]

[rocky wraith]

NEW LOG IN C2

FIRST MEETING BETWEEN SHAFER AND 22

TERMINAL IN ZONE 123A

[burnt wren]

i could swear that's old

i remember something like that

[rich blaze]

After the checkpoint?

[subtle verge]

That's an older log.

We've known about that one for a while.

"Are you a dog or a cat person?"

[sand granite]

so what's new

[quick grove]

R.I.P my boy the mimic

May he find his friend that like cats or dogs

[shut mountain]

The mimic could not mimic those hands

Lowkey thou, I am wondering how Schaeffe looks like

[rocky wraith]

yeah

I thought 22 was new?

So 22 has been teased since 6.0 and not 6.5?

[quick grove]

I don't think the dead looking body is the mimic bud

[rocky wraith]

Why?

[quick grove]

Does it look like its got ashy looking skin with blue vains?

[rocky wraith]

did shafer describe it like that?

[quick grove]

Yes

Yes he did

[rocky wraith]

huh

So who is specimen 22 and how did they die like that?

[quick grove]

The neonate apparently

[rocky wraith]

So the neonate got murked in DX in a bloody fist fight with somebody

[quick grove]

Got shot

[rocky wraith]

the cracked open skull and bloody handprints and stuff

[quick grove]

Thats what losttyfrostty said

[rocky wraith]

I thought they hadn't played dx yet?

[quick grove]

Well i know someone said the thing got shot

Those who speak in this channel frequently

[rocky wraith]

didn't look shot to me when I looked at it

[quick grove]

Can i haves a picture pls

[rocky wraith]

looked like someone had beaten its skull across the side of the door frame

not a gunshot hole

[rocky wraith]

You played DX yet?

[quick grove]

No don't plan on doing so

The thing got torn apart yet its still alive

[rocky wraith]

Aww, it's pretty good

[quick grove]

But gets killed by schaeffer

Seems abit far fetched

[rocky wraith]

I don't think it got torn apart by the sleepers

[quick grove]

I don't understand the meme tho haha

[rocky wraith]

I know it triggered the scout but I assumed it got away like Shafer?

[quick grove]

Thats what schaeffer said

[rocky wraith]

Shafer didn't mention it being torn apart? I thought he was rambling about running away from it and abput what it wanted?

Being scared of it

[quick grove]

I remember schaeffer saying it walked through sleepers they attacked it and then stopped

Why didn't it die then and there if the sleepers attacked it

[rocky wraith]

Possibly because it was then infected with the parasite once they attacked and no longer saw it as threat?

[quick grove]

Eh probably

[rocky wraith]

Or saw it as a dysfunctional one of their own

[quick grove]

If that was the mimic then its a big let down

[rocky wraith]

Maybe

But I reckon the Warden will react to the death of 22 rather unfavourably

[quick grove]

Yeah

[rocky wraith]

probably will try more to get rid of Shafer

[quick grove]

For all we got the thing

[rocky wraith]

22 specimens

[quick grove]

Yeah true

[rocky wraith]

at least

[quick grove]

Theres 22 of them

[rocky wraith]

There was another image showing several mimic bodies somewhere

[quick grove]

Didn't know the warden kept favourites

[rocky wraith]

dead bodies that is

[quick grove]

Oh yeah the mountain of dead bodys

[rocky wraith]

Think this one was favoured because it had Wardens partial mind in it

[quick grove]

Looks like he got stabbed by a pole lmao

[quick grove]

Probably but we'll see what happens in R7

[rocky wraith]

Yeee, can't wait

so excited

[quick grove]

I want torture in R7

[rocky wraith]

XP

[quick grove]

Just pure agony

[rocky wraith]

I defo think they'll make it harder considering that players stick around longer per rundown if the rundown is harder

[quick grove]

Yes and more levels too

Imagine a rundown with 20 levels

Hehe pure agony

[rocky wraith]

OOf

[lilac island]

true. Was kind of hoping to have a good few weeks of grinding in the extension, really hope R7 has a good challenge

[rocky wraith]

What happened there?

[lilac island]

All the awesome lore in 6.5 was very good though

[quick grove]

Id reckon what could be nice is if they have a level that always randomizes every 6 hours or so

[rocky wraith]

Bugs galore

OOF

[quick grove]

Yeah but it be fun if it works

[rocky wraith]

I can see that being an issue

[rocky wraith]

Very

[quick grove]

And like have challenges

Lets say max health cap is 20

Less ammo in map

[rocky wraith]

Specific challenges you can choose

[quick grove]

Yeah or presented ones

[rocky wraith]

I wanna learn more about the specific sleeper timeline

[quick grove]

That be a good way to give appearal to people

[rocky wraith]

More audio logs and stuff

[rocky wraith]

yush

I want another backpack xP

[quick grove]

Been here sense the dinos got wiped

Yeah but challenges would be fun

[rocky wraith]

I thought they were only created when the parasite and nam-v coinfect humans?

[quick grove]

Imagine running on an E level with only 20 health

[quick grove]

Big asteroid brought the things to earth

Fuck knows what at the core of the asteroid is

[rocky wraith]

The parasites and NAM-V

[quick grove]

Apperantly a tome

[rocky wraith]

but the sleepers themselves I thought were humans

[quick grove]

They are

But we never went deeper than 1500m have we

I don't even think we've hit the 1500m depth

[rocky wraith]

Potentially during the drilling that resulted in the massive blast?

[quick grove]

He dead probably

I dunno actually

That creature probably hasn't been touched on sense its log was found

[rocky wraith]

Hallucination(?) but I think it was a temporary translocation of a sleeper or something, "panting and staring at me"

[rocky wraith]

There was also the creature that was dissected

[quick grove]

I don't remember much of that

[rocky wraith]

and KSO denied ever finding but "everyone already knows"

I can't think of any sleeper which can 'pant' so I think its something else

likely an alien sleeper or something

[quick grove]

Yeah probably something from the deep

[quick grove]

Yeah we call em allens

[rocky wraith]

poor allens

being teleported everywhere

cuz time and space is being a bit wackydoodle

kk I gotta sleep, ttyl

[quick grove]

Okay

[eternal talon]

We have some ideas of what the inner looks like

Corridors, open air chambers, almost volcanic looking, probably looks really fucking cool with all the allen tech down there. Thinking something like subnautica

That was still in the complex, just in a dead-end mining tunnel

Well, in the tunnels under the complex,

But not down in the meteor i don't think

Realistically, it had to be an infected allen.

Fliers wouldn't be in the complex for a very long time

Some life originally from destination

Which kinda only is the allens

[eternal talon]

Honestly, that could be either one of the first infected humans, or an infected allen. But given the significance in regards to the lore, my bet is on an allen.

[eternal talon]

Only if not the fliers and kraken or such. The allens are a very specific species we don't know much about. Their name is even redacted in one of the logs, sadly

[quick grove]

Ah yes

[quick grove]

I called the creature an allen the thing that was seen in the mine

[agile plinth]

Who is speaking in the weird audio logs in CX or DX?

[dim scroll]

Which ones ?

At the end of the levels ?

Or the one with shitton of people speaking ?

[burnt wren]

What does HEL stand for, precisely?

[dim scroll]

Hybrid Electrothermal Light-gas

[solar nova]

Iirc, HEL weapons are essentially railguns.

[burnt wren]

Hm, that doesn't add up

Electro thermal... Light gas?

[dim scroll]

Light gas =/= mix of gas and light btw

[burnt wren]

That sounds like it's some kind of plasma thrower

[dim scroll]

yeah

similar to an electric propeller

Dunno how the gun can withstand the whole backlash thing but that'd in theory dramatically increase the bullets' velocity

[solar nova]

Probably throttled, or magic, either or.

[red orchid]

Because science

[agile plinth]

HEL guns already exist

except not exactly like the ones we have

it's a mix between these two:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology

[agile plinth]

you can handle the recoil with some padding or some dampeners of sorts

otherwise it would just dislocate your shoulder

[dim scroll]

I was mostly curious about how to compress all the stuff into a weapon

In your pics the railguns are enormous

[agile plinth]

it's not really a railgun

railguns require too big of a setup to be effective

[dim scroll]

still enormous

[serene fractal]

2060s tech 🤷

[dim scroll]

😳

[agile plinth]

and this doesn't use rails anyway

basically it ignites a certain gas mixture electro-thermally

by generating plasma

which results in high accuracy and propulsion

[dim scroll]

Similar to rockets with electric propulsion ig

[agile plinth]

kinda

[quick grove]

Because it's gtfo

[stray path]

Anyone else wondering how the Hell Schaefer is surviving so deep in the complex by himself for long periods of time?

[analog frigate]

he's been extremely sneaky, moving through vents

[stray path]

The prisoners can barely survive a few hours in the complex, let alone days, months, or most likely, years.

[still stream]

guys i saw him vent!!!

[analog frigate]

that's surviving a couple hours doing what the warden wants

so clearing rooms, reactors ect

he's just been going around scavenging resources and hiding

[stray path]

Gotcha

Schaefer gives me heavy Portal 2 vibes

[celest pagoda]

Definitely reminds me of Doug Rattman.

[stray path]

Exactly

I wonder what Schaefer looks like, or if he's even mutated himself.

My theory is that he himself is infected by the mutagen

[analog frigate]

supposedly still very much human

since after he went to KDS Deep, he's been staying in HSUs

(also controlled by the warden)

which actually makes sense of why he still retains most of his memories and says fuck the warden in a couple logs

[stray path]

What are the HSUs again?

[analog frigate]

he hasn't been through the legion program and isn't really brainwashed

[stray path]

Sorry I keep forgetting the acronyms

[analog frigate]

HydroStasis Unit

[stray path]

Oh yeahhh, probably why he has short term memory loss.

[analog frigate]

it's not exactly short-term

HSUs have a side effect of memory loss

which was then abused by KDS

[stray path]

Something I'm wondering though is why the Warden doesn't just- never wake up Schaefer in a HSU

[analog frigate]

it has

schaeffer said that his team died, referencing the one the warden assigned him with

[stray path]

Gotcha

[analog frigate]

i believe @subtle verge has the document about it

the one that expands on what KDS possibly did with the HSUs and Project Legion

[stray path]

He does definitely say that there are others out there. Meaning it's more than likely there are other stragglers hiding in the Complex, with Schaefer being the only one that has put out the effort to contact you.

[analog frigate]

it's a possibility

but very unlikely

i believe he is referring to other prisoners like us being out there

doing the warden's bidding

[stray path]

Warden is probably doing some Hivemind bullshit, operating numerous teams at once.

[analog frigate]

the main reason that schaeffer is alive is because his friend artus warden him

[analog frigate]

definitely

[subtle verge]

Uhh is it my theory on Jansen Davies & KDS?

Sorry, catching up on the convo.

[analog frigate]

not the pinned one

[celest pagoda]

It does make me wonder though; one of Dr.Stokes logs mentioned Schaeffer (C067) was witness to an incident involving the MWP. It was stated Kovak was "Dealing with them". I assumed it meant he was inducted into legion and thats how he became a prisoner. However, knowing what we know now that can't be the case.

Wonder what KDS did to him after the incident, seems like a significant mention.

[analog frigate]

the one about how KDS is making a private army

[subtle verge]

Oh oh oh.

[stray path]

If you ask me I think the Warden is likely an artificial Intelligence created as a Failsafe in the event of complete and total Facility Collapse.

[analog frigate]

not really

the warden was originally the BIOCOM

a DI made by KDS

[subtle verge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dA2C_dJbLrPR80MJk3EgZIEboa8JUUippG0zLEPtDBw/edit?usp=sharing

[stray path]

Gotcha

[subtle verge]

There's the KDS PMC theory.

[analog frigate]

ty

[stray path]

What's KDS again?

[subtle verge]

Kovac Defense Services

[stray path]

Ah yeah the security firm

[analog frigate]

Kovak/Kovac Defence Services

[stray path]

I just call them Kovac

[analog frigate]

yeah the issue is both are used

and it's somewhat annoying

[subtle verge]

True.

[analog frigate]

should we actually just officially pick a name

as to not be bothered anymore?

[stray path]

Probably lol

Anyways, it's likely Schaefer was made into a prisoner because he knew too much, rather than the crimes he committed.

[analog frigate]

it's not that

he did it like dauda did

no choice but to get into an HSU

[stray path]

Gotcha

Then the Warden came and went "Oooooo free body"

[analog frigate]

something like that yeah

[stray path]

I have high doubts of the Warden being human though

They definitely act more machine-like

[analog frigate]

we do know it itself is an AI

[stray path]

Hey what exactly happened to the rest of Earth by the way?

I remember trying to research it but most of the lore was centered around the Gargantum not, well, rest of the world.

I'm pretty sure Earth is in a decrepit state but from what?

Was it from a direct influence of the facility?

[analog frigate]

unknown, all we know is that it was devastated by NAM-V

[stray path]

NAM-V?

[analog frigate]

that's its name

a virus that came from inside the meteorite

unknown origins, r-naught of 17 and deadly

once you have it, you're done for

you can only delay it

although it appears as if HSUs somehow can remove it through unknown means

[stray path]

Ohhhh I thought it was just referred to as "The Mutagen"

Sorry a bit new to the lore lmao

[analog frigate]

never heard of that

[analog frigate]

no problems

[stray path]

I've never played any previous rundowns and had to dig out stuff myself

Just recently got this game and the lore fascinates me

Have you guys ever seen a movie called "Oblivion"

[analog frigate]

yeah?

[celest pagoda]

No worries, all logs have been documented in a few places if you'd like to binge them. The wiki & some of the pins will lead you to em.

[stray path]

The game gives me heavy Oblivion vibes

Lore-wise

[analog frigate]

it does seem so, except not to that extent

it's not some ultra-intelligent aliens that came to earth

technically the stuff from the meteorite is more natural than humans, since it's been there before us

[stray path]

True

I wonder if humanity has achieved interplanetary colonization yet

I imagine people on Mars looking at Earth and going "What the fu..."

[analog frigate]

there was a mission to mars but it failed due to the side effect of HSUs

since the memory loss probably caused the pilots to have no idea where they are and the ship was destroyed

[hot burrow]

I forgor

[stray path]

They could have stored documents or other means of restoring forgotten knowledge in the HSU

On the ship

Basically you wake up, see a thing, click it, then it shows you who you are and why you're there.

[analog frigate]

the issue is, no one except KDS knew about the memory loss

the ESA themselves didn't know

[stray path]

Kovac pulls an epic troll

So is it likely that the world underwent an Apocalyptic scenario in GTFO, with the Gargantum being Ground Zero?

I imagine Kovac would have more failsafes in place than just locking down the facility

KDS definitely gives me Umbrella Corporation vibes

[burnt wren]

They sure do

They fuckin' made us

[analog frigate]

they didn't

they didn't expect to find the meteorite, even less what was inside

[burnt wren]

Brainwashed convicts that are biolinked to some AI that gives them orders and they follow them without a fault. Literally drones in human bodies.

[analog frigate]

that wasn't the point of KSOs

legion was supposedly running from way before

not long after the memory-loss part of HSUs was first discovered by KDS

[burnt wren]

And like... Alright.
Woods maybe deserves it and he doesn't really mind.
Hackett doesn't care either.
Dauda... Don't remember what's up with him.
But Bishop's story is nuts. He was kovac staff member - an engineer or something. It appears he crossed some higher up and as revenge they trapped him into the legion program.

[agile plinth]

So Schaeffer was speaking with a mimic in CX and DX?

Whatever a mimic is

[analog frigate]

the mimic as far as we know

the only sleeper that can be technically called intelligent

[subtle verge]

Mimic/Specimen 22. Personally, I think it's the same creature.

Mimic is a coined term by us.

[analog frigate]

(although that seems to be because of the chip in the back of its head)

[agile plinth]

||Wasn't it the thing that was laying down at the end of DX||

[analog frigate]

no need to spoiler things

and yes, that was specimen 22

[agile plinth]

Just making sure

[analog frigate]

i believe people coming to the lore channel would expect spoilers

[agile plinth]

So Schaeffer woke it up? Or did the warden wake it up?

[analog frigate]

unknown

[agile plinth]

It told him it was born about 8 hours ago...

[subtle verge]

Speculation goes that Specimen 22 was a grown neonate, the same neonates that you might remember from, I think, R3 if you played back then.

[agile plinth]

Sadly I don't

[burnt wren]

Wtf is neonate, can someone explain that one to me

[hot burrow]

A baby

[subtle verge]

Neonate is a baby, essentially.

[agile plinth]

A sleeper baby?

Can't be...

[hot burrow]

We got it in R2 and did shit with it in. R3

[subtle verge]

More artificially created.

[agile plinth]

Alright

[hot burrow]

In R3D1 we left it to get imprinted with dna we got in another level

[burnt wren]

An artificial human of sorts?

[subtle verge]

Sleepers as we know them are not carbon-based lifeforms -- but that's subject to change because we simply don't know enough about them at this time.

Whereas Mimic/Specimens are.

[hot burrow]

Sleeper goes “click” “click”

[burnt wren]

I mean they seem to bleed and all that

How can you tell its not carbon?

[subtle verge]

Specimens are also rehashed KSOs that didn't quite make the program, they're recycled fleshy bits and genetic material.

[stray path]

What does KSO stand for.

[hot burrow]

Kovac security officer. Or something like that

[past matrix]

ackshually by r3d1 the neonate is already imprinted

🤓

[hot burrow]

How about you go dip your balls in acid

[subtle verge]

This one is hard to explain because it mixes game mechanics with lore, and it's.. spotty at best. But when they die, they melt into the ground and vanish into nothingness. From a mechanics point of view: it's to save graphics memory. From a lore point of view... we don't 100% know, but we speculate it has something to do with it being a non carbon-based lifeform.

[past matrix]

is that supposed to be a punishment?

[hot burrow]

No

[past matrix]

good 😏

[hot burrow]

Enjoy

[stray path]

Kovac is definitely pulling an Umbrella Corporation

[subtle verge]

There's a few different definitions; Kovac Special Operative/Officer/>insert whatever synonymous term here<

[past matrix]

neonates were baby HSUs with artificial wombs and were seemingly used as part of project RISE, which seemingly would essentially raise them as KSO's from birth

[subtle verge]

You can definitely make ties to Umbrella, though admittedly I'm not necessarily up to snuff on the lore of Resident Evil.

[burnt wren]

A. K. A. The logical conclusion of the tech...

Brutal stuff

They just don't care

[stray path]

They're both extremely wealthy and widespread corporations that hosted experiments with genetic altering mutagens until they broke out of containment and they failed to re-contain the breach effectively

[subtle verge]

Profit is king, baby.

Raise an infinitely sustained PMC force that follows your every order and buddy do you have the means for world domination, right there.

[burnt wren]

Although at this point...

The apocylpse already happened

Maybe they're desperate to get earth back

An army of drones would help with that

[stray path]

The main difference between Umbrella and Kovac is their motives

[burnt wren]

Too late to be greedy now

[stray path]

Umbrella clearly has the motive of militarizing the mutagens they created for profit. Kovac is much more unknown

[subtle verge]

You have to remember, though, this plan has been in action long before the outbreak of NAM-V.

[burnt wren]

Umbrella was batshit insane. In the movies at least.

[stray path]

But likely similar

[burnt wren]

Their motives make no sense.

[subtle verge]

Since at least the early 2040s.

[stray path]

Much more rational in the games

Movies are horrible

[burnt wren]

++++

[eternal talon]

he says there might be others out there. big difference

[eternal talon]

schaeffer did a stupid and locked himself in KDS deep and couldn't get the doors back open for some reason. as he was starving to death, he got in an hsu to avoid dying.

[eternal talon]

it says it at the top of your screen too, in big bold letters "this chatroom is spoiler heavy, please read and chat with this in mind."

[eternal talon]

well given they manipulate just about any species they come across, and humans are carbon based, there has to be a bit of mingling to an extent.

[eternal talon]

honestly "getting the earth back" wouldn't be much of a challenge, there aren't sleepers up there, it's just all dead.

[stray path]

So Schaefer pulled a Futurama and came out of the HSU wondering what the Hell happened?

[eternal talon]

no..

we don't know what happened when he got out

that is a heavy point of contestion really

since it doesn't fit with the timeline we have

[burnt wren]

I love me some convoluted timelines

[eternal talon]

since he is out of HSU and with his team an entire rundown before WRDN even has access to KDS deep

[burnt wren]

The headache is real nice

[eternal talon]

it just doesn't.. work

something got his HSU pod out of kds deep and into wrdn controlled zones for the wrdn to find it..

[burnt wren]

Consisant writing is hard

[eternal talon]

without restoring the power, lifting the lockdown, just getting wrdn access on the terminal right next to schaeffer's pod,

it's allotta bullshit

[stray path]

"Here you go Warden have this dude."

[eternal talon]

most likely theory, probably had something to do with the allens, rather than anything that works for or with WRDN

since.. wrdn could have just linked himself to the terminal then

instead of when he makes us do it in r5e1

[stray path]

I'm still wondering what's going on in the rest of Earth.

[eternal talon]

and given that's where roughly 70% of ALL KSOs are stored in the complex, KDS deep is extremely important to the WRDN

[stray path]

Surely there has to be SOMEONE out there

[eternal talon]

~30k people

daraxus and punkthulu did calculations with NAM-V's R-naught and modern covid response statistics

the result they came out to, was 99.98% of humanity being dead by the time of the game

so...

not especially good

[burnt wren]

Oof

[stray path]

How come there aren't Sleepers walking around the rest of the planet is my question

Why they all just- dead.

[eternal talon]

because only NAM-V escaped

nam-v doesn't create sleeper infestations

that is either the parasite by itself, or the parasite WITH nam-v

[past matrix]

i know this is a bit off topic but im watching gameplay and footage of DX and it really sounds like the mimic is in fact supposed to be specimen 22

i didnt know this earlier but right after schaeffer kills the mimic, the warden suddenly mentions specimen 22 and how you need to check on its status

despite not mentioning it at all before, only AFTER the log with schaeffer plays

[eternal talon]

we don't know when schaeffer leaves these logs

[full oar]

he has access to hearsay

[eternal talon]

they could be the same time, months, or even years ago

[past matrix]

yea but it would seemingly be the wardens first time hearing it and it makes no sense for it to suddenly add an objective after we hear it: to check on something that is never brought up

[full oar]

but i think the question we all have

is what about the previous specimens

[stray path]

I thought NAM-V was what caused the Sleepers

[eternal talon]

probably all also dead

[past matrix]

^

[stray path]

It's something else?

[eternal talon]

22 could have just been the first SUCCESSFUL specimen

it doesn't always start at 0

[past matrix]

either they're floating in a random tube somewhere in labs or they're just straight-up dead

[burnt wren]

Nam-v has symptoms that are very similar to someone becoming a sleeper

But apparently the end result is death

[eternal talon]

yes

we know this for a fact

[burnt wren]

There's something missing that secures the transformatiob

[stray path]

Okay so what turns someone into a Sleeper

[eternal talon]

sleepers first appear several years after nam-v does.

[burnt wren]

Something exclusive to garganta

[eternal talon]

the parasite

[full oar]

wait hol on

what about first tank room in r4c1

[eternal talon]

"
What are Sleepers?:

Sleepers are the final product of a NAM-V - Parasite infestation. NAM-V has an extremely high infectivity rate and is presumed to have a lethality rate of 100%.
Sleepers are created by either the Parasite by itself, or by the Parasite with NAM-V present. We know due to a time differential that NAM-V by itself cannot create Sleeper infestations.
It is theorized that NAM-V's extremely high lethality rate is supported by the Parasite, keeping infected hosts alive and thus, allowing the virus to not starve itself to death.
In circumstances like those found in the meteor beneath Garganta, it would seem that once all local hosts have been converted, a population of Sleepers can hibernate for millions of years before the opportunity to spread reveals itself once more.

What are Giants? Hybrids?

Specialized variants of Sleepers are created by the Parasite to fill a niche in its hive. A great example of this would be the Scout, designed to keep watch while other Sleepers hibernate to keep a hive from being exterminated.
Another example would be the giant, created by an infected host that has a large quantity of muscle mass, this infected individual was mutated into a role more fitting by it's genetic code and purpose the Parasite needed to support the hive.
It is this reason that nearly all Shooter variants appear to be female in origin, and nearly all Strikers being male.
"

[full oar]

that had stuff similar

[eternal talon]

here, from the for dummies doc

[stray path]

Is the parasite a separate entity also recovered from the asteroid?

[eternal talon]

yes

they are seemingly a symbiotic pair

[stray path]

Gotcha, so NAM-V escaped but not the parasite

[eternal talon]

to the surface? yes.

[stray path]

Resulting in mass death but not Sleeper Infestation

[eternal talon]

correct.

[full oar]

id assume minor transmutations of sleepers

[stray path]

Can you imagine if the parasite DID escape

[eternal talon]

garganta was quarantined rather fast by kovac and the mexican government when nam-v got out

[full oar]

yeh

[eternal talon]

well you'd have earth's human population of sleepers and likely most animal species aswell

it'd be another Destination

[stray path]

How the Hell did NAM-V get out to begin with?

[stray path]

Destination?

[full oar]

its an airborne disease

[eternal talon]

the interplanitary possibly interdimentional location we go to in a1, b1, c1, d1, bx and dx

[full oar]

no i doubt it

i doubt the teleporter location is earth

[eternal talon]

Please read the "for dummies" doc, it's in the pins of this channel

It explains the overwhelming majority of the lore

[stray path]

Alright

[eternal talon]

But long story short, people that didn't follow protocols

And SMC.'s beachside resort for their staff that where going crazy

[full oar]

thatd def do it

[eternal talon]

Yes, they built a freaking beachside spa resort to try and improve morale, it was that bad

It's like the equivalent of having a day job of living in and mining in the chernobyl exclusion zone, and having those same people go relax at a cancer center.

[full oar]

why not just bring the beachside spa resort to the complex

then the warden could send prisoners for a relaxing day at the beach

[eternal talon]

It was, the chixculiub crater is huge

And partly over the gulf of mexico

[full oar]

i know

[eternal talon]

From there it likely spread to fish and went global

[full oar]

it also could've spread to people delivering supplies

only takes 1 person rly

[past matrix]

I'm writing descriptions for all r6 levels for when r7 comes out

and was wondering if this is an accurate representation of r6

The main objectives of this rundown is accessing and expanding Genome Database and collecting data in the form of Data Cubes.

[full oar]

and genome terminals

[past matrix]

the genome terminals from extension or?

[full oar]

extensions and d1

[past matrix]

I've only played half of the rundown, I've watched a few videos and read the descriptions of each though

extensions and d1 count as expanding genome database

since they're, well, expanding the genome database

[burnt wren]

If humanity's done then WTF is Warden doing...

[eternal talon]

Who knows

[burnt wren]

Is it just stuck trying to keep complex going...

[eternal talon]

D1 also has us get the genome database @past matrix

[harsh saffron]

Sounds good 👍

[full oar]

we honestly dont know

[past matrix]

it sounds like D1 just expands it by us getting the Pathogen Genome Database

[eternal talon]

Well main would take place before extension

[past matrix]

yeah but knowing that we're getting a piece of the genome database I think it would be clear there already is one, we're just adding more to it (especially since extension missions dont mention the Pathogen Genome Database, just the genome database as a whole)

[serene fractal]

If humanity is truly done for by the point in time we play, the Warden may have shifted objectives to try and save life on earth in general rather than humans specifically

[eternal talon]

Keep in mind it uses KSOs as expendable assets

[full oar]

true

[eternal talon]

Almost every transmission you see in-game during a mission select in the rundown screen is a squad that has died

We aren't that high priority.

Well our squad is,

But not most

[full oar]

we're the only squad that has survived so far

[eternal talon]

We have survived EVERYTHING the warden sends us to do

We have been a decoy force numerous times for the wrdns other teams

[harsh saffron]

smh it's "quad", not squad ppl 😩

[past matrix]

I think that its trying to escape the complex (hence the neonate, aka what the warden called "the vessel") but its also trying to do something with Nam-V which is why its trying to expand the genome database by downloading data and meeting/analyzing new enemies (like the big flyer)

[full oar]

squad is still 4 ppl right?

[past matrix]

maybe its trying to save the earth from full-on extinction

[harsh saffron]

just a joke bc the latest logs specifically said quad

[full oar]

mmm true

[eternal talon]

On the surface, nam-v would have starved itself out a hundred times by now, the biggest threat to earth is the meteor

[eternal talon]

Yes

[past matrix]

alright, fully finished the every expedition explained

[rocky wraith]

Damn that final E1 mission

Warden has a lot of toys to play with

The importance of the vessel to have 2 rundowns dedicated to it is oof

pMother samples further details around that needed

Potentially neonate being a mother's spawn?

And given that it needs to be "imprinted" with human DNA

then given a neural interface?

The mimic might not be trying to mimic humans, but other sleepers

An asset on the 'inside' for the warden to move about garganta without needing the KSO's

Given that all the tools already existed prior to the fall of the facility, it may be that this is what project RISE was about(?)

[stray path]

Jeez that lore for dummies document is LONG

This is like Warhammer40k levels of lore

[stray path]

What I wanna know is if the Mimic is sentient and if it's aggressive to people or not

For all we know it could just be a nice lad

Lmao

Asking Schaefer if he likes cats or dogs

[rocky wraith]

Oh, then you haven't seen the X levels yet?

HIGHLY recommend checking out the X missions as they contain a lot of lore

[analog frigate]

or the timeline and wiki

[subtle verge]

Wiki has the transcripts uploaded for all the X levels (thank you, @harsh saffron!) now. The long log between Schaeffer and Specimen 22 is still a WIP, but I figured the greater community can debate and edit as they see fit.

I'm too deaf to get a pinpoint accuracy.

[eternal talon]

Hehe, belive it or not, I tried to make it as compact as possible

The more important topic in the for dummies doc is the pre-apocaypse section. Post 2056, there really isn't anything major going on that is note worthy other than just summarizing what we do in rundowns, since we know less about the now than we do about before everything went to shit

If I tried to cover stuff that happens in-game, the most I'd manage is a bullet list, or something of the sort, since we don't have a thoroughly connected story yet that would be worth writing entire paragraphs for

Give it a couple more years

That and..

We have basically no dates for when anything happens in lore post 2056.

We have the order things occur in the order of the rundowns, but stuff like logs, the mimic and stuff, we don't have anything at all

I think given about rundown 8 or 9, the first 3 rundowns would be sufficiently far in the past that only basic plot synopsis would be needed in a format similar to the pre-apocalipse section

But I mean again, that depends if we get finite dates for some of the stuff we are lacking.

[stray path]

No, unfortunately.

[rocky wraith]

They are great fun!