gtfo-lore

[strong solstice]

this man really just sent a pic of an scp

[eternal talon]

yes, i know

i am well aware.

it's 096.

[finite vine]

the skin color, and the mouth and face are all abnormal, the fingers are abnormally long and the smashed hand is also odd looking.

[eternal talon]

but by punk's description, THIS would also fit perfectly with that.

[serene fractal]

Every single thing said here aligns with Subject 22

[eternal talon]

is is very easy to notice things slightly off on humans

[finite vine]

still, this is honestly a useless discussion because there really is not a whole lot of proof besides the fact that Schaeffer supposedly beat the crap out of the skull. only problem is that half of the head is obstructed by the ground.

[serene fractal]

As mentioned before, rather than beating it, it could have been him attempting to extract the chip

[eternal talon]

except the voice. to the creature schaeffer killed with blunt force trauma, that this creature didn't die from.

^this is that log if you want to listen to the sfx

[subtle verge]

The image sure isn't a gunshot wound, I'll tell you that right now. Lmao.

[finite vine]

it appears to suffer from blunt force trauma.

[eternal talon]

no it doesn't.

[subtle verge]

That is the definition of blunt force trauma, again as someone who has experience with dealing with crime scene cleanup.

If it were a gunshot, there would be splattering.

Also a gaping hole on the opposite side of the head.

[eternal talon]

a side of the head we cannot see.

a hammer would crush the skull like a fucking watermelon

[serene fractal]

Nobody said he used a hammer

[eternal talon]

the head of s22 is largely intact aside from one very precise small wound

[serene fractal]

A punch, is blunt force

Which again, aligns with extracting the chip

[eternal talon]

this isn't the mimic

s22 =/= the mimic. they have separate names, schaeffer even clearly calls it a mutant

[finite vine]

what’s up with the echo?

[eternal talon]

i got it from the notion.so, ask @solar nova

[serene fractal]

The mimic is a community term

[eternal talon]

i said mutant. read pls

[serene fractal]

Um

Reread your message?

[eternal talon]

i don't need to.

[subtle verge]

Here's my reasoning: a massive hit was delivered, or Schaeffer grabbed the head and started bashing it into the pillar/corner, left a huge blood stain. It then slid down the pillar and landed on the ground and bled out.

That's clear-cut blunt trauma impact splattering.

[eternal talon]

=/= means ISNT

[serene fractal]

I know what it means

[eternal talon]

jesus christ

i'm not having this conversation with you lot

[finite vine]

where did the name specimen 22 come from?

[eternal talon]

i'll just wait to have the official lore see you wrong in r7

[serene fractal]

You are using a community term to attempt to disprove the now official name?

[eternal talon]

then i WILL @ you.

and link this chat

[eternal talon]

lmaoooooo not what i said at all but okay

S22 IS NOT THE MIMIC. SCHAEFFER CALLS IT A MUTANT

MIMIC IS THE COMMUNITY NAME FOR THE MUTANT, YES?

[serene fractal]

yes

[eternal talon]

i am so done, back to the blocked list you go.

[subtle verge]

This is true.

[finite vine]

??? does schaeffer know any other name to call it?

[finite vine]

@lilac island is right though. i don’t think the name has a whole lot to do with it when that’s the only name we have heard schaeffer use so far.

[subtle verge]

Let's start reigning this conversation in. Tempers are flared and it's making it awkward.

[serene fractal]

I'm so confused right now

[subtle verge]

Don't care who's fault it is or who said what, let's just take a breath and a step back.

[serene fractal]

Notion?

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Lore-Database-94aac69799e14948b3f9f418761c6cd0

[serene fractal]

ah, Punk beat me to it

So uh, anyways back to lore

[finite vine]

anyone have an image of an HSU occupant from R4D2? the room with the tank and the pile of bodies?

[subtle verge]

I really have no proof for the claim, but I thought it was interesting that the creature talking to Schaeffer knew about "the assets" (whatever those are).

[finite vine]

thanks

[subtle verge]

And yeah, the "yes, hello my friend" really got me to thinking: "what if?"

[finite vine]

look at the hands and face. the hands on the HSU patient are wrapped in a rubber like material, constricting the fingers. then look at the hands on the sleeper. they look just like the hands on the HSU patient. no fingers & smashed palms.

coincidence or not?

yea look at the hands. looks a lot like a sleepers hands.

do you have a pic of the front of the face? i remember a hole being in the green rubber, right around the spot a sleeper has its split head/ teeth.

do you mean r3d1?

look at the skin and bones also. white & bruised skin and brittle looking bones. all of which are NAM-V symptoms.

nice. wonder what the purpose of the hole in the head cover is for?

yea ik u said r4d1.

all good lol

[subtle verge]

Well, that was another thought that I had that Donkle coined in on earlier in the day -- it's injecting a baseline of itself into the cortex chip.

Why it would do it? Couldn't really tell you other than it wanted out of the BIOCOM system and to have full autonomy, hence the "I am not confined or restrained, I am in the prime of my liberty. Yes, we are not so different, you and I," line.

[finite vine]

why doesn’t he just say “i am the warden” lol

like why does he say all these cryptic things lmao

also why don’t the sleepers attack it?

Im not sure. I thought they didn’t.

[subtle verge]

I don't think they did. It triggered the Scout, but as far as we know it was left unharmed.

And it didn't wake the sleepers when it was blabbering while Schaeffer was telling it to be quiet.

[serene fractal]

One of the things gathered for resuscitating the neonate says "congeners" which would likely imply an attempt at using sleeper genetics

Since

@lilac island this was the convo from earlier if you're interested

[subtle verge]

Clone theory is dead.

Confirmed by a log.

https://www.notion.so/RETURN-query-rise-root-tree-int_server-1024_ciph-tier5-all-72d724eb801648ea9e98bef50df64916
"B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged"

[quick grove]

So do we know how the mimic looks like

Or is that a big negative

[subtle verge]

I personally speculate Specimen 22.

[quick grove]

ah

[dim scroll]

I doubt specimen 22 is the mimic

[rocky wraith]

I think it is

the scientists were trying to regrow the same stuff from the infections into the patients through the HS pods

What I could gather from the materials they were requesting in BX

like the 14 patients were the first to get sick, the scientists begin to cultivate what they were sick with through the same stuff as the HS pods. (That's the sleepers in the glass tanks everywhere where they don't use a template). But then they had the great idea to grow the infection in the patients further using the HS pods method using the already infected individuals as a template for the growth giving the mimics. Specimen 22 being implanted with the wardens AI(?) growing it in HS to full as a mimic using the human embryos as a template(?)

And NAM-V is confirmed the infection that creates sleepers through both the A1 terminal log and CX terminal log following the epidemic

I've only played R6 so I may be a bit off xP

[dim scroll]

NAM-V isn't the main reason for transforming people into sleepers

Otherwise the pandemic wouldn't have a 100% death rate

otherwise everyone in the complex would've died

It's more about the parasite + NAM-V combination

[celest pagoda]

Ayy, am back. Had to watch the DX ending since I'd have no time to get it myself. What'd I miss?

[celest pagoda]

Ah OK I see.

Seems like the mimic (or as Schaeffer called it, the mutant) was Specimen 22.

Also wanted to speculate about the names on the board in CX. Anyone get any meaning from that other than to keep an eye out for the name Henrikson?

[analog frigate]

it seems like it could be specimen 22, but not log confirmed yet, just likely

also no, we don't know who Henrikson or Do(someone someone since i can only remember one of the names at a time apparently) are

neither the reason schaeffer chose them

[eternal talon]

The individuals in the tank room in r4 can't be infected.

HSUs kill the infection

They would have been fresh and clean

[analog frigate]

we only know that they delay it, not remove it completely

[serene fractal]

Maddox is the other name

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate this log says "they won't survive a few hours in hydrostasis"

"Any behavioral issues you see are psychological not physical, nothing survives in HS unless we want it to"

[shadow igloo]

It makes sense, isnt hydrostasis essentially death you can be revived from.

[eternal talon]

"When we introduce positive bacerophage we have to stimulate them constantly or they won't survive more than a few hours in HS"

[eternal talon]

It's sort of like a medically induced coma, and artificial womb, it's a weird mix

With plenty of drugs involved

[shadow igloo]

Its definetly not your standard stasis. Its more dangerous than not. Its a wonder it got approved for a space mission. Too much to go wrong regardless of a lack of an alternative

[eternal talon]

Well, no. It's designed to wipe your memories and make you easily controllable.

It was a private army program, after all.

[shadow igloo]

I dont believe that was the point was it? More so a consequence. Admittedly im not as read up on the lore as i could be. But there was a long term space mission that failed due to its crew emerging without memory iirc. The long term effects would become obvious in the investigation.

[eternal talon]

Feel free to read the for dummies doc. It's in the pins. I've already updated it with the stuff from the extension

The HSUs where built primarily for the Legion program

Not all KSOs are legion, but all legion are KSOs.

Yes. And afik didn't Kovac get under blast internationally by that disaster? I don't remember

But as far as I remember, it was really to test the HSUs, and Kovac didn't tell anyone about the possible side-effects

[serene fractal]

I don't know if it was ever outright stated to be a test but I would say it's reasonable to assume that. They did get put on blast though, I think they got kicked out of some space related organization

[subtle verge]

For all intents and purposes, the HSUs put someone into suspended animation to the point that you could call it 'medical death' by definition. The memory wiping was only a known side effect that was never disclosed to the public, but a news article that was wiped from the internet knew about the side effect and mentioned critics weren't happy about it, either. Red Alpha mission happens, some speculate tampering, others think memory loss from HSUs was the cause, mission goes critical and fails.

KDS now use the memory wiping feature to their advantage in an effort to create a perfect, controllable, private military. (Alleged)

KDS knew about it, they more than likely knew to what extent it happened to, but willfully chose not to disclose the information under the idea of corporate greed/funding, as the space agency didn't cut ties with KDS until 9 years later when the UN started their investigation.

[eternal talon]

It's kind of funny that HS kills the virus, I mean yeah it cures people, but it is one hell of a heavy price to pay

"Congrats, you don't die, but the you that made that decision does."

[subtle verge]

I do find it very interesting that the HSUs kill anything that they want it to kill. Kind of wild to think about all of the foreign viruses and bacteria (something like 40-50% of our entire cellular makeup? Probably wrong here, percentages suck) on us that they would have to allocate as an exception.

[eternal talon]

Well I mean frostbite is one hell of a drug

That's largely why cryogenics don't work now

You can't freeze people fast enough to where crystals don't form in their blood

And why you could freeze and microwave hamsters to revive them as early as the 60-80s

Something like an artificial womb I'm not sure how they'd do it, since there is no cure to NAM-V, but hydrostasis does

It has to do have something to do with some extreme in temperature, surely

Same reason why you cook meat to kill bacteria, but you don't cook people at the doctor's office.

Or the opposite with freezing, with cellular decay

[subtle verge]

That would be my guess for now; stored at a temp that would kill off most viruses or the substance they put into it (can't remember the name off the top of my head) is specifically designed to kill off foreign substances.

[eternal talon]

It'd kill both

So some newfangled fancy tech in the HSUs, I'm sure

[subtle verge]

Akin to how most opossums can't contract rabies due to their natural body temps, etc.

[eternal talon]

It's the 100% hand sanitizer

[subtle verge]

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer says everybody in garganta knows what the hsus do to a person

Why does Kovac suck at keeping secrets in one place, but fort knox in another?

[serene fractal]

I think that just has more to do with the whole space mission and that it was somewhat known even prior to garganta really being a thing within their research team

[eternal talon]

Well contracting it and having it are two different things, malaria thrives in ultra-humid environments, but humans can take it anywhere while infected

[serene fractal]

Do we know what the inside of an HSU looks like (facing inwards, I mean)

[eternal talon]

Maybe? I'm not sure

[astral flax]

yes

when u drop down

thats how it looks like

boom

[serene fractal]

Facing inwards

[astral flax]

yes

[eternal talon]

If you have a lagging host,

And you connect,

Wouldn't you still be able to see them in their pod when you drop?

But your pod would be empty?

[subtle verge]

Think of an amusement park rollercoaster where your feet dangle, and you more or less have the design of an HSU.

[analog frigate]

or you can just look into it after you drop

[astral flax]

yeees

[analog frigate]

there are a couple seconds before they start rising up

[serene fractal]

Oh right yeah I'm dumb

[astral flax]

yeees

[serene fractal]

I usually watch those go up lol

Too early in the morning

[subtle verge]

Expect audio transcripts in about 4-ish hours. If I can have some folks go over them to double check everything and help make adjustments when I'm done, that would be 👌 .

Just want to make sure I didn't jumble anything up too badly. Things were hard to hear this go-around.

[finite vine]

“nothing survives HSU unless we want it to” they might of been doing tests and deliberately wanted NAM-V to survive hydrostasis.

[finite vine]

I still don’t think this is true. It seems like it’s a mandatory process for a KSO to be put through legion in order to control them better.

Name one person that is a KSO that was not put through the legion program.

[celest pagoda]

A bit off topic; was the active resuscitation unit from BX some secret side objective? It seemed so odd to have an active unit just sitting there. Me and my friend tried looking for something to shove into the unit but got nothin.

[solar nova]

Tbh, I think they just hadn't used the tile in a while.

[dense saffron]

just how the tile generates

[celest pagoda]

Ah, I see.

[worthy flower]

Woulda been cool if we coulda jammed something in though

[dense saffron]

also I think there's a possibility that the person writing that email is just wrong and NAM-V can survive HSU

[celest pagoda]

That do make since. It's first and only appearnce (before bx) was r3a1.

[celest pagoda]

It'd track with NAM-V being a total force of nature.

[worthy flower]

Honestly a lot of tiles are either over or underused

[dense saffron]

add more standard tiles to spice up levels: nah
add multiple custom geos we'll only see on one level: yeah

[solar nova]

At least we got 3 new standard tiles.

[worthy flower]

If we see that dx otherworld tile reused, it needs to be hit with the optimization bat.

[final sentinel]

That CX tile is SO pretty though

And the first sleeper corpses we’ve seen too

[worthy flower]

The hub zone?

[final sentinel]

Idk the lore implications of that

[worthy flower]

That was lit.

[final sentinel]

Bc they usually decompose so fast

[worthy flower]

I think the dissolving is just a gameplay contrivance

[dense saffron]

? the only new standard tile I know of is the elevator refinery tile

[solar nova]

Refinery: Elevator
Floodways: Divided intersection and off-angle chamber (existed in R5 but was broken)

[final sentinel]

Huh interesting, maybe he’s scared of the squad after D1

[dense saffron]

ah, I don't know floodways as well as the other tiles so I didn't notice it at all

[solar nova]

Fair

They're a little same-y for most of them.

The one w/ the dividing walls is pretty distinct, but the off-angle one is literally just one of those rooms with a structure in the middle, but it's at a 45 degree angle.

[subtle verge]

Side note on the audio logs: I think it's interesting how the DX log for Schaeffer & the creature starts adding this reverberation and almost demonic/evil tone to it towards the end.

Really good dramatic effect. Top notch editing.

[serene fractal]

Pretty much all of the audio work for the game is fantastic tbh

[subtle verge]

Amen

[celest pagoda]

This^
Also Schaeffer's VA just hits it out of the park with his performance.

[subtle verge]

@frail pollen Are you allowed to disclose who voices Schaeffer? I'd love to check out his other work if you're able to.

[hot burrow]

I bet it’s Simon

[celest pagoda]

The log from Schaeffer's hideout would point to the opposite. He said he needed them. Bishop for his tech skills, Dauda for his doctor skills. Woods and Hackett for something I can't remember, maybe combat expertise?

What's odd though is that we know the main 4, for the most part, don't remember their past professions. Maybe Schaeffer has other plans we are yet to see.

[rich blaze]

Erik Braa (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2819770/), as per Simon Answer here : https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/rftwj8/va/

[celest pagoda]

Possibly. We know not all is lost to them. Dauda still has his nightmares.

[subtle verge]

I knew I recognized the voice. Dope. Thanks, my guy!

[west yew]

So is there a chance the world government is still around in the GTFO universe

or is it just humanity is dead lmao

[final sentinel]

I think the latter is a bit more likely

Considering all of the broadcasts we hear and the logs we’ve seen

[west yew]

what are the broadcast exactly?

[final sentinel]

I believe it’s the State of Truth and the WHO/CDC

One of the veteran loreholders probably knows

[west yew]

damn

I always liked to think that the virus was contained within the complex

and the outside world is unaware of whats going on inside the place

[final sentinel]

https://www.notion.so/CDC-National-Alert-System-6e0ed8fafc804893b2e5473191cd24e7

[west yew]

damn

so how are the protagonists able to survive the virus if its 100% lethal

and shouldn't we eventually form some immunity to the virus

[harsh saffron]

we actually got the answer to that in this extension

one sec

https://www.notion.so/pathogens-influencing-the-BAT-results-7801f4dff5364c6e997e91540a4b74b5
Basically the last line; they have to fine tune the HSUs for everything they want to survive

[rich blaze]

100% out of 14 cases tho

[west yew]

wait

What are the HSU's exactly?

[subtle verge]

Hydro-stasis Units.

[west yew]

ah

So the HSU's cure the virus?

[subtle verge]

Anyone who gets put into an HSU is more or less medically dead, their body is put into suspended animation using a synthetic amniotic fluid. Judging by the log that was just posted, any pathogen can be removed or killed in an HSU if researchers will it.

So any pathogen that is not native to the human body can be removed/terminated, essentially.

[west yew]

so is it possible that the governments in the GTFO universe used these HSU's to contain the virus

[subtle verge]

As far as we are aware, no governing body has a single HSU. Every one of them is contained in either Garganta or stored in a KDS branch in other countries.

[west yew]

so one single corporation was able to keep the HSU tech for themselves

[subtle verge]

Correct, Kovac.

[west yew]

seems really unlikely

[rich blaze]

Nope

Nyxos also does HSU

either they work with Kovac

[subtle verge]

Well, technically speaking, Nyxos is a subsidary of KDS.

[rich blaze]

Where did we learn that

🤔

[subtle verge]

A really early log, as far as I remember. Let me double check.

[west yew]

also once the virus is terminated does that mean your immune to it or will you just get it again

[subtle verge]

Oh, my apologies, I was thinking of a Santonian branch. Nyxos was a contracted agency thru KDS.

[burnt wren]

There's one thing that bothers me: is outside world aware of the sleepers? They are aware if the decease, but u haven't seen a single outside world log mentioning mutants or anything of the sorts.

[rich blaze]

There's some that may mention that, but nothing too conclusive

[subtle verge]

It's assumed that you contract it again as there is no technical vaccine or cure for NAM-V, but it can be removed again by another stay in an HSU.

[west yew]

maybe the logs were talking about covid lmao

[rich blaze]

There's a mention of COVID in lore

[west yew]

wait wa

[burnt wren]

The symptoms of nam are pretty close to describing a sleeper in early stages

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/Superman-Superbug-2207e965c69a49d9b91b97ae18ba2b2e

" Microorganisms. From the black death, to the Mayan Flea
Demons, to Ebola and the SARS Covid outbreaks in the early part of the
century, the Superbug always returns stronger and more resilient than before;
so, what are we doing to fight them?..."

[burnt wren]

Ah

That's not THE covid I'm guessing

[agile plinth]

it's the covid

[west yew]

so if the Virus is from Earth

than you think eventually someone would develop an immunity

[rich blaze]

MERS too

[subtle verge]

There were multiple Covid outbreaks in the early 21st century. We have the current outbreak, and then the SARS outbreak from the early 2000s.

[burnt wren]

No wait... I'm thinking of korona viruses in general.

[subtle verge]

Right, and MERS.

[rich blaze]

MERS was so deadly it could not spread outside of 200 known cases

but it's 33% deadliness

[subtle verge]

We do know that NAM-V by itself is 100% lethal, it doesn't convert you to a sleeper. There are theories, however, that point towards a potential relationship between NAM-V and the parasites that do make the conversion, however we have no concrete evidence to confirm or deny that.

[burnt wren]

Oh

[rich blaze]

100% Lethal is not assured

it's on a small sample

[west yew]

I also thought it was strange that the Sleepers were humans

considering we dont see any ripped clothing on them

[burnt wren]

So something in the gargsnta specifically is what creates sleepers

[west yew]

they all look identical

[agile plinth]

lethality is guaranteed by the analysis log of it

it said that death was inevitable

and you can only delay it

[west yew]

cringe

[burnt wren]

That sais

[rich blaze]

Unlike previous pandemics (Hook, COVID19 – 21, Respo-Z2)

[west yew]

huh

[rich blaze]

Santionian Site Log

[harsh saffron]

tbf that is most likely just a game dev limitation

[west yew]

your telling me the Devs couldn't make sleepers with some slight visual differences

[harsh saffron]

sure they could, I'm just saying thats not a lore thing

most likely

[west yew]

ah

[burnt wren]

Yeah

L4D2 forever spoiled us

[west yew]

idk to me it seems unlikely that the virus is like unstoppable and its impossible to develop an immunity because otherwise it doesnt make sense why the devs would try and hype up the prospect of escaping the complex

because if you do

you fucking die

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=4330fedca48c4676b5fee1edafa15638&p=e42bda18f22a46df8d3efe49ededcfe3

"Transition from initial diagnosis to cellular collapse takes approximately 5
weeks. We have yet to discover what happens thereafter. I will keep you
posted."

Admittedly, "cellular collapse" is a very sci-fi term, if you're a Star Trek fan you might recognize it. But cellular collapse essentially means your clock has run out and you're in the process of death.

[harsh saffron]

do they do that tho? the premise was always like: "you are stuck here, everything is bleak and hopeless"

could also be a "nice" ending to finally reach the surface to just find the world has already ended

[burnt wren]

I mean...

[west yew]

eh

[burnt wren]

It's Chekhov's Gun

[west yew]

why would they hype this Schaffer dude if that was the case

because if they wanted that they would give logs of other guys from the legion program trying to escape and die in the proccess

[burnt wren]

To tease a possibility of escape and then not deliver is blue ball to blue all the balls

[rocky wraith]

I am wondering about the point about the HS, because I'm pretty sure they use the same liquid to grow the sleepers, as mentioned in BX

[burnt wren]

Maybe in another single player game or something.

[west yew]

I also really hate the idea that humanity is extinct

[eternal talon]

it's not from earth though

[west yew]

oh

[eternal talon]

math doesn't care about feelings

[west yew]

im looking at it from a story telling perspective

[burnt wren]

It would be one hell of a twist, but it would raise more questions

[rocky wraith]

Anti-bodies can target quite literally anything that isn't a 100% flat surface, immunity can be developed

[eternal talon]

also there are no sleepers on the surface

only nam-v got out and that cannot create sleepers on its own.

[eternal talon]

it has a 100% lethality rate.

[subtle verge]

I don't necessarily know if they "grow sleepers" versus put them in the preservation fluid to study them. What we do know is that they're growing the neonates, which is believed to be Specimen 22 and the other pile of corpses found from R5E1.

[rocky wraith]

Also, what is this parasite mentioned? is that the one mentioned in BX with the 14 patients experiencing sickness?

[eternal talon]

eating through HAZMAT log

the parasite either by itself or with NAM-V present is what creates sleeper infestations

[rocky wraith]

right

[subtle verge]

The parasites came with the virus. They're able to eat through SCBA gear and infect people.

[eternal talon]

they came with the meteor 65 million years ago.

[rocky wraith]

Was the parasite discovered in the drilling/tunnelling/In the other dimension etc?

[eternal talon]

they aren't a natural species

[rocky wraith]

Voids in the rock?

[eternal talon]

technically,

the mayans encountered it due to an earthquake in the 16th century,

[rocky wraith]

mildly disconcerting for our characters

[eternal talon]

and SMC. drilled into the meteor where it was.

[subtle verge]

It was discovered via drilling into the meteor.

[subtle verge]

Well, to be fair, our characters don't wear SCBA gear. They wear a mixture of Class D and Class C hazmat attire. Haha.

[rocky wraith]

So NAM-V is 100% lethal, combined with parasite creates sleepers. So what does the parasite do on it's own?

[burnt wren]

How are they still alive.

[final sentinel]

Wait ur telling me those gym shorts are actually hazmat?

[rocky wraith]

right

[west yew]

but how is NAM-V 100% lethal

[eternal talon]

they are mutualistic. the parasite keeps hosts infected with NAM-V alive

[west yew]

not very realistic

[eternal talon]

preventing the virus from eating it's entire food supply too rapidly and starving itself to death

[rocky wraith]

ooo

[rocky wraith]

Ebola is 90% lethal

[subtle verge]

The virus causes hallucinations fairly quickly and converts the spinal fluids into bone.

[burnt wren]

90% and 100% is one hell of a difference

[rocky wraith]

Some serious parasites like the guinea worm are 100% lethal on treatment

[subtle verge]

To add: it also takes 5 weeks before cellular collapse.

[eternal talon]

NAM-V has the highest r-naught in all of human history, making it the most infectious disease known to man aswell

[rocky wraith]

Was that our 14 patients in BX?

[eternal talon]

well the parasite isn't technically the lethal one, for the most part it infects and mutates hosts to serve it's hive depending on genetic material

which is why most shooters are female and strikers male

it's the parasite using genetic data.

[rocky wraith]

"RISE" program right?

mentioned in CX?

[eternal talon]

also why it uses mothers' natural functions to grow it's hive, taking advantage of natural processes

[eternal talon]

i don't know, there isn't much info on rise.

[burnt wren]

Warden was searching for rise, yes

[eternal talon]

this is just how fundamentally the parasite works

[burnt wren]

Not sure why

[eternal talon]

the parasite and virus came from Destination

[subtle verge]

I'm not familiar with the 14 patient thing. I assume that's a log?

[eternal talon]

the floaters and kraken are other infected lifeforms

[rocky wraith]

RISE 'known to use hosts DNA already there' 'Does not create clones'

afair

[eternal talon]

it came to earth from the allens, who sent the meteor to earth for one reason or another to escape the virus and parasite, but failed, since it came with

presumably it infected the allen species and hid in the meteor for the entire duration, hibernating.

[subtle verge]

The RISE project actually has something to do with the neonates. We don't know much beyond that, but we can assume that it was a way to create more bodies for KDS's eventual large-scale PMC project: Project Legion.

[burnt wren]

Alien species?...

[eternal talon]

allen

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, 14 people are all experiencing hallucinations etc, tests all come back negative on all current stuff. One of the scientists requests a protein sequencer to try figure out whats going on as other scientists thinks its purely psychological

[eternal talon]

temporary name for the hyper advanced alien species that made the MWP, artifacts, and sent the meteor to earth

[rocky wraith]

oof

[rich blaze]

Are you sure we're talking about the Same Guinea Worm? It's hard to remove but not lethal

[eternal talon]

aliens are the floaters and the kraken. **allens **is this ancient alien civilization we haven't encountered in-game yet but is heavily hinted at.

[burnt wren]

"sent"? As in it didn't just do the meteor thing a crashed because that's what it does?

[eternal talon]

given the butterfly nebula where it would seem destination is is SEVERAL (MILLION? maybe hundred, thousand, only a couple, i don't remember. but it is way far away) LIGHT YEARS AWAY,

[west yew]

I guess im wrong the 100% lethality for the virus

[eternal talon]

it is highly unlikely it randomly drifted to earth

[subtle verge]

It's very much speculation, in other words.

[west yew]

but because its so lethal you think it have a really hard time spreading

[rocky wraith]

You can treat for it to stop reproducing and reduce burden on host. But outright killing the parasite causes the hosts body to enter a lethal shock of your entire immune system kicking into overdrive

[burnt wren]

Hm. Shit's more convoluted than Dark souls. So many holes...

Oh, talking of holes

What's up with the talking creature

[rich blaze]

you can remove it safely as long as you don't break it yes

[burnt wren]

Is it one of the sleepers? Or something... Else?

[subtle verge]

Ah, you're talking about the BAT results log, then. There's no number of people, that's what had me confused.

[rocky wraith]

reproduces primarily in snails in ponds which they do not kill

[west yew]

GTFO lore is starting to remind me of fnaf ngl

[rich blaze]

It's not the same as FNAF

[eternal talon]

to be fair, the biggest problem is it starving itself to death by consuming it's food too fast for it to repopulate, which is why the parasite is so important to it

[rocky wraith]

the life cycle is interesting and I had to write about it for an exam last year

[rich blaze]

it's more Dark Souls like because there's gaps

[eternal talon]

nam-v keeps threats to the parasite and its hosts/hive mostly dead or converted into more hosts ripe for the picking

[burnt wren]

FNAF had books and characters. This has more corporate reports than it does anything else.

[west yew]

dark souls makes more sense then this ngl

[rocky wraith]

The one before that I think

[subtle verge]

So, this is something that we're currently trying to piece together. We know it's not a sleeper, as the sleepers attacked it at one point according to Schaeffer's initial audio log.

However, we don't quite know what it is.

[eternal talon]

this is GTFO. we don't get straight answers. only hints

[subtle verge]

Personally, I think it's Specimen 22, however you'll find others here that would disagree with that.

[eternal talon]

if you want to read a plot summary, i HIGHLY urge you to read the "FOR DUMMIES" document in the pins.

[rocky wraith]

I think its 22 as Schafer murders it in DX

and you can see the hand prints of shafer

covered in blood

[burnt wren]

And what is specimen 22 again? I don't remember anything about it.

[eternal talon]

it's the corpse found in the data vault in dx. i have a picture

[burnt wren]

Nevermjnd

Haven't played the dx yet

Must get on that...

[subtle verge]

So the only logs that have a meaningful number are the log about the team rotation, clocks on L37 running slow, and the incident report that had the team moving to another level. Are you sure it's BX?

[eternal talon]

why are you in a spoiler chat then??

[rocky wraith]

Shafer seemed to think it was an ai uploaded through a neural interface into a neonatal, grown up and used by the warden to escape (I think?)

[eternal talon]

i didn't read or hear any of that, but it would make miles more sense than it being the mimic to me.

[rocky wraith]

Definitely, room next to the one you do a scan in before you do the big uhh room scan?

[rocky wraith]

The way it spoke and mentioned the warden seemed to imply so

[burnt wren]

Warden is trying to escape? Goddammit, another sentient AI.

[eternal talon]

idk about it trying to escape or anything of the sort,

but we do know for certain WRDN is an AI

[rocky wraith]

plus the way 22 calls Shafer "The Virus", I think is talking about how Shafer is trying to control the warden to send down the four characters

[west yew]

cod zombies lore

[eternal talon]

this is the data vault where it is found

[subtle verge]

OH, the Teale audio log. Gotcha.

[rocky wraith]

yee, found it?

It originally was learning through the internet access it had I think during the end of CX before secondary. The log there implied so

[eternal talon]

you go there directly after the STAIRCASE OF DEATH

[rocky wraith]

The part where 22 calls shafer "the virus" reinforcing the idea that 22 is an uploaded form of the warden (?)

[burnt wren]

I remember logs about Warden screwing with personnel...

[rocky wraith]

Possibly? might have to recheck?

[subtle verge]

It could be hand-in-hand, I suppose. It's hard to really know because Susan was mentioned in Teale's log, but the BAT log has Sebastian and Angela.

[eternal talon]

correct

[burnt wren]

Sending the human drones to do random shit, just to see if anyone will notice

[rocky wraith]

Mentioned in CX was shafer influencing wardens personal choices

[eternal talon]

IF the mimic is s22

[subtle verge]

Yes, WRDN sent a KSO into a closet for 6 minutes and had another tell a team "you must stop."

But that was also before WRDN had full control of the BIOCOM system.

[burnt wren]

Creepy shit

[eternal talon]

ehhh, we have no evidence of when WRDN was even activated

don't say for certain

it's very likely yes, but nothing related to the early stages of the WRDN protocol is confirmed

[rocky wraith]

the log specifically mentions 14 patients.

[burnt wren]

Also this whole living drone thing is beyond fucked up. How did anyone allow this.

[rocky wraith]

I would say confirmed considering how Shafer interacts with the system

[eternal talon]

project legion is a slave soldier program, taking mostly unwilling participants and wiping their brains to make them do you every bidding

[subtle verge]

Yes, I see that. However it's hard to tell if the BAT log is in conjunction with Teale's log because there's no mention of the amount of patients in the BAT log.

[west yew]

evil corporation stereotype bro

[rocky wraith]

Corporate control and late-stage capitalism

[subtle verge]

One could assume based on context.

[eternal talon]

this is waaaaaay before that

[rocky wraith]

True, by I would assume so since both are confused about what the patients are infected with

[subtle verge]

I'd agree with that based on context.

[rocky wraith]

ah, I've only joined in during R6 so I might have missed a bit of early lore

[eternal talon]

please, read the for dummies doc

it covers all of the pre-apocalypse we know.

[burnt wren]

I did too

[eternal talon]

in detail

[burnt wren]

Had a wiki binge course

Made my head hurt

[rocky wraith]

Beginners guide?

[subtle verge]

Amen, br0ther.

[eternal talon]

ehh, not neccessarily good for the brain

[eternal talon]

no.

it's a lore summary

[rocky wraith]

I'm having trouble finding it then

[eternal talon]

the pins

very first pin

[subtle verge]

We have a TL;DR of the lore, and Lostty has an in-depth summary.

[eternal talon]

^

click 'view whole file', it is too big to click expand, it will cut off part of it.

[rocky wraith]

I'm still trying to figure discord out. lol. thank you

[eternal talon]

you are good 🙂

[rocky wraith]

Ah good, its even updated for 6.5 Fantastic!

[eternal talon]

yes, i started working on updating it the day after it dropped,

as me and Exterm. went through day 1 to catalogue most of the text logs

i really gotta get my hands on a summary of r5 and 5.5 from somebody that played them for updating the "for dummies" when r7 releases and i update it to V3

[serene fractal]

Thanks again for this, btw

[rocky wraith]

Cheers for the summary! I'mm jumping on the bandwagon that 22 is the warden trying to escape. Super smart AI + neural implants + grow your own creature in a lab = AI trying to escape

I am very interested to learn what that "Unknown biomass" on the lower levels is

[eternal talon]

likely just masses of sleepers at that point in time, or the beginings of a nest

as it is also found on the biotrackers log

[serene fractal]

This is pretty close to what I proposed a little while ago, though slightly different. my version was essentially that rather than being the warden in full, it is a program/extension of the warden being used as a drone of sorts

[rocky wraith]

I think nest is likely. But also. Remember the Nemesis? What if one of those got teleported in and got stuck inside?

[eternal talon]

yes, but if so, that is ALOT of tanks

that's several hundred levels of tanks

[eternal talon]

well, honestly i don't think we have seen the kraken have a capacity to teleport, not that we have seen it much though

given it's sheer size, i'm not sure it'd be able to have a place to teleport to at all

[rocky wraith]

Possibly an attempt by one of the teleporters to jump something back and it getting it wrong

the teleporters were definitely being messed with as we saw in B1

[eternal talon]

no, see, we left it open

er, they followed us back home

[serene fractal]

posting this again since a lot of the same topics have come up today

Taking into account Dauda's nightmare of screaming but no sound, not having eyes, no blood, all of these things to me suggest a likeness to a lifeless husk. We also know, at least at first, project insight was largely focused on curing NAM-V. Finally, taking into consideration that we have the ability to "neurally imprint" the Neonate, I think there are two far fetched but plausible possibilities here.

The first is that we were essentially building worker drones so as not to expose more Garganta personnel to the virus

Or, things got so desperate later on during the crises that we were trying to develop a body that was immune to the virus and then imprint our own minds into these things

[eternal talon]

through our tether

[rocky wraith]

not that bit

[eternal talon]

you talking about the time dilation, then?

[rocky wraith]

In B1 the guy mentions that the 2-way connection should have been set up / also mentioning that the coordinates sent back from Destination could have been falsified

[rocky wraith]

the "temporal regulators" in B1 and the mention of the 230 seconds of missing time in BX?

[eternal talon]

seconds? we have plants that seemingly died months or years prior to a jump

[subtle verge]

Side conversation: Contemplation So... is it just me, or is it strange that the only name that matches the board with the planning audio log is Henrikson? Makes me wonder what happened to Madonna and Munich.

[eternal talon]

one week after they were sent

[rocky wraith]

Yush! that bit too

[eternal talon]

that can be explained simply by destination orbiting a large solar mass

see the movie interstellar

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-wes-bentley-christopher-nolan-planet-miller-wave-gif-4004943

[rocky wraith]

there is that which I find interesting, I think the B1 place was the first place they were going through and trying to figure out how it all worked

[serene fractal]

Assuming we're correct about the butterfly nebula, FTL travel doesn't mean instant so I guess there would still be time passing

[eternal talon]

the coordinates gotten with my crack of the cipher were exact

[rocky wraith]

And they obviously succeded because later we see the structures they built on Destination in C1, BX, and DX

[eternal talon]

either center of the nebula, or the middle of the atlantic

[serene fractal]

I understand that, I was one of the people who defended and agreed with the proposal

[rocky wraith]

I'm not mentioning the time dilation at all

[eternal talon]

belive me, i argued against it being the nebula for a while

though it does seem the most plausible

[serene fractal]

But yeah even with FTL travel, time would still pass so I think that actually lines up with the plants being dead a while when they got there

Butterfly nebula is uhhh

let me see

3392 light years away

[eternal talon]

i think 3 lightyears?

ah.

i knew it was 3 something

faa faa away

[rocky wraith]

I think the dead plants was due to the fact that B1 was obviously there first time sending organic matter through the teleporter to Destination and the Temporal regulators still needing to be tweaked

[serene fractal]

so even with many times the speed of light travel, I think a month offset is perfectly reasonable

[eternal talon]

problem is,

transmissions are instant, between us and the warden

so either the tether minimizes that, or the wrdn can think SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER fast

[rocky wraith]

Or the orders are pre-writen

[eternal talon]

that could also be true

[subtle verge]

We're forgetting a key factor in this conversation, by the way:

[rocky wraith]

I think potentially a whole lot more likely given that the characters are disconnected whenever you press tab

[serene fractal]

^

[subtle verge]

When they sent the plants, they had the quantum tether active. They then removed that tether for 3 earth days, then reconnected that tether.,

And, by the sheer definition of the very-little-known science that is quantum tethering, the Earth and the destination would have been on a 1-1 time scale.

[rocky wraith]

So potential that there is a massive time difference between each time the tether is activated?

[subtle verge]

But if you remove that tether, the 1-1 time scale no longer functions.

[eternal talon]

well i mean time is relative,

that would insinuate the allen's tech is so advanced that it can manipulate the fabric of spacetime to an extent

which is... frankly quite insane

[rocky wraith]

Not quite that

[serene fractal]

How long was it before Bishop was retrieved again?

[eternal talon]

2 weeks

[subtle verge]

1 week earth time.

[serene fractal]

Hmm. Gonna reread the logs of the team that went there and see if it seems like they were there for longer. Could help us hone in on the time difference

[eternal talon]

well, if we knew a rough estimate of time our squad sleeps in hydrostasis we could use bx and dx

[subtle verge]

In the Notion.so link, it will be under Stokes Logs, C1: Navigation Log 4.

[eternal talon]

since they are the same place

[rocky wraith]

Bishop was teleported to the arena in C1 with the data key right?

[subtle verge]

He returned to the platform by himself, yes.

[eternal talon]

he was the only survivor it would seem

we have no idea what happened to durant and the rest of his team

[rocky wraith]

and the rest are all the dead bodies you see in C1

[eternal talon]

ehh, could be. it would appear the expeditions to destination were more extensive than we thought

[subtle verge]

We do to an extent, though not of everyone's fate. The floaters were picking them off one-by-one.

[rocky wraith]

The place you go with the first and second data keys is strewn with dead KSO's

[eternal talon]

the size of the mining facility alpha three is enormous

[subtle verge]

No idea on Durant's fate, only that he didn't make it back.

[analog frigate]

probably deceased when taking into account that the KSOs stopped protecting them and only fended for themselves

[rocky wraith]

so far 6 places right now they've built in?

[subtle verge]

Right, I guess I more meant specifics.

[eternal talon]

on destination? we've only seen alpha 1-3

a research outpost, whatever alpha 1 is, and the mining facility

[rocky wraith]

one place in B1, two places in C1, 1 place in D1, 1 place on BX, 1 place on DX?

and the BX doors leading to a hidden base inside the mountain?

[eternal talon]

there really isn't much structure in c1, it's mostly caves and corpses. the final part of c1 could easily be a part of alpha 1 that we don't see in d1

[rocky wraith]

end of c1 is possibly the same place as D1 yeah

[eternal talon]

bx door leads into the part of the facility you see in dx

the are the same place

[rocky wraith]

right, ok

hmm

[eternal talon]

we can tell that by the giant ceiling fan

[rocky wraith]

OH!

[eternal talon]

here, and here

[rocky wraith]

Yup!

that makes sense

weird how they could have maximally built these in 2 years?

2053 from when they discover the artifacts to 2055 where it all goes downhill

[eternal talon]

the construction effort seems quite intensive, look at the size of these cranes

[rocky wraith]

Possibly more teloportation rooms even bigger than the ones we've seen before?

[pine agate]

Yeah, I'd say the caves in C1 are random locations, but somewhat close to Alpha One, since theoretically we head into C1 to grab 3 Datacubes (which contain converging coordinates on where D1 is) and we use them to triangulate the location of Alpha One.

[rocky wraith]

Yush

[eternal talon]

the crystals we see here are also several magnitudes larger than we have seen elsewhere on destination

[rocky wraith]

Crystals potentially being the cretasian stuff?

[eternal talon]

not really,

[rocky wraith]

or whatever that element it is they find?

[eternal talon]

cretasium-77a is an alloy

[rocky wraith]

metals can still form crystals

[eternal talon]

therefor it is metallic in nature, not crystaline

[rocky wraith]

metals form crystaline stuctures as well

[pine agate]

Ah, I was gonna comment about it.

If you want I can take care of the extension levels.

[eternal talon]

thanks, i'll make note

you can

i'm just collecting in a big folder to use when r7 comes out\

i'll add to those portions of the doc

[pine agate]

I'll do that later today

[rocky wraith]

don't the ip's change every time you do an uplink_connect?

or is this a consistent one?

oooo

possibly more lore related given that sanctimonian is a global corporation (?)

Warden trying to give itself more access to outside the complex?

or just easter egg(?)

aww

[subtle verge]

Man, I'm still lost on what's being said in the T43 audio log.

To start to exist. I hope that will (unintelligible) our work in how to (catalogue? Unintelligible) true, falsk, future self should reboot.

[rocky wraith]

Where can we find it?

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/Schaeffer-Monster-Logs-680debf6b20a4212a311daccbd5041b3

[rocky wraith]

is this the long one on CX?

[subtle verge]

Yessir.

[rocky wraith]

in the room with the two scouts?

[serene fractal]

I still think I hear something about "lost hardware"

[subtle verge]

Not sure, didn't play it.

[rocky wraith]

its great fun

[subtle verge]

I want to, just haven't had time.

[subtle verge]

I can kinda' hear this.

But hardware doesn't make sense because that word ends in a K phonetic.

I'm trying to figure it out through context, which probably isn't the best idea.

Because when it says "future self should reboot" and mentions a true/falsk (Swedish for 'false/fake') it makes me think Binary; 1s and 0s.

[rocky wraith]

at 1:08 where 22 says "I am (hard to hear) (Very off/Variant off?)" what do you think it means?

[subtle verge]

"I am not confined or restrained, I am but in the prime of my liberty."

[rocky wraith]

past that bit

[subtle verge]

OH

Wait

[eternal talon]

which log?

[subtle verge]

"I am very young" or "variant" I can't quite tell.

[rocky wraith]

variant of warden?

[subtle verge]

T43 audio log in Schaeffer's monster logs.

[rocky wraith]

"I am variant off" in relation to warden?

[serene fractal]

Wait it might just be a really long annunciation of variant. Variiiiaaaant

[subtle verge]

That could actually be the case, it's just leaving the 't' off.

"I am variannn"

[eternal talon]

i'll have a look in a minute

[rocky wraith]

Any names on the board begin with V?

or ones mentioned in logs?

[subtle verge]

Negative.

[serene fractal]

I always heard Very on or Very gone so I think this aligns well

[dull orchid]

any updated logs for extension rn

[subtle verge]

All of them are in the pins in the Notion.so and on the wiki! 😄

[dull orchid]

ahh

thanks

kek

[subtle verge]

All text and audio. Aye-aye.

Phonetically, this makes the most sense.

"I hope that will watch our work..."

Or, hold on...

"I hope that will want our work..."

I hear a 't' at the end of the word before our.

I'm not sure, though.

[serene fractal]

So at the very very end of that log, do you guys here it say thank you?

[rocky wraith]

I do hear that too, wish we had someone who knew audio tools to help isolate those bits from the background

[subtle verge]

Still also trying to figure out what it's saying at: "You met conversion, a ven-grrrrl do not all your mind, friend?"

[rocky wraith]

"you mid conversion" refering to Shafer being infected

[serene fractal]

I do still think it might be rebooting during that bit

[subtle verge]

Oooh good ears.

I'm partly deaf, so this is a big help.

[dull orchid]

who is shaffer talking to again

[subtle verge]

"You mid conversion a [blank] do not all your mind, friend?"

[dull orchid]

that robotic voice

[serene fractal]

The annunciation is still weird but it could be mid conversion yeah

[subtle verge]

A majority of us think it's Specimen 22.

[dull orchid]

ah

[rocky wraith]

"you mid conversion, a vanguard"(?) potential name it holds for a type of sleeper?

[subtle verge]

At least from what I've seen thus far.

[dull orchid]

he looks bio thou

[serene fractal]

Turn not off your mind, friend?

[subtle verge]

So in my notes, I have: "A vanguard / avenger [UH-ven-gurrrrl]"

[serene fractal]

You mid conversion [unknown] turn not off your mind, friend

[rocky wraith]

I think an added proof to it being a variant of the warden is how it mentions the numbers in relation to its birthday. see how robotic and perfect it is in saying the numbers

[dull orchid]

ai controlled specimens

at this rate the lore is more interesting than the game

[subtle verge]

The lore is a rabbit hole, my friend. It's.. it's wild.

[serene fractal]

WAIT

"yourself should reboot"

get in an hsu

to stop conversion

[subtle verge]

So...

I hope that will watch our work in how to (catalogue?) true, falsk, (???) yourself should reboot.

[rocky wraith]

I don't hear the 'how' I hear 'hope'

in hope and a true, false...

"future self should reboot"

[subtle verge]

"I hope that will watch/want our work in hope to catalogue--"

[rocky wraith]

I don't hear catalogue at all

[serene fractal]

yeah when we put what we all heard together I agree its "future self should reboot"

[rocky wraith]

yup

And not enough syllables for "catalogue" I'm certain

[serene fractal]

I always hear either future, or suit your(self)

[subtle verge]

So I hear these things with the word catalogue:

A. Catalogue (obviously)
B. handle our (true, falsk, future self should reboot)

[serene fractal]

Future makes sense now that we've determined the bits past it

[subtle verge]

It does have the amount of syllables for 'catalogue' It's like "Cata-log" like you're saying caterpillar with a southern US accent.

[rocky wraith]

"true, false, future self" makes sense together when trying to say that your future converting self is not your true or false self but something else

[subtle verge]

Hit me

[rocky wraith]

"And a" is what I hear

[serene fractal]

Not to mention it repeats some of the phrases Schaeffer said to it earlier

"are you a human", "are you a prisoner"

[rocky wraith]

Yup! narrowing down as well to garganta

[subtle verge]

Put in a sentence, it doesn't make sense, though. "And hope to and a future, falsk.."

Could it be "end a" ?

[serene fractal]

Could it just be "false" but with a sort of tick at the end?

[rocky wraith]

makes sense if you are speaking in math logic terms to me (passovers from its previous existance as AI)

[subtle verge]

"... and hope to end a true, falsk, future self should reboot."

[dull orchid]

so do sleeper comes from

mother or

aliens rn

[rocky wraith]

Its not speaking true sentences, think more of like atomic sentences like laying out logics

[eternal talon]

T43-777-45M.LOG

s: s-stay there, okay?
?: ...
?: are you a prisoner?
?: no, i am not confined or restrained.
?: i am of in the prime of my liberty
?: ...
?: yes...
?: we are not so different, you and i.
s: where did you come from!?
s: did the warden send you?
?: warden... yes. hello my friend.
?: i am very aff-
s: fuck the warden! keep away from me! back off!
?: you carry the items.
?: it is my birthday. born 27,354 seconds (intelligible)
s: huh!? what!? born!?
?: to start, to exist.
?: i hope that will was (intelligible), it hope at will true, false.
?: future self should reboot.
s: what does that mean? your not making any sense.
?: you did conversion, of and (intelligible) of your mind. raaaaaan.
s: y-your.. get away from me, back off!
s: i mean it!
?: (intelligible) have forseen of when-
s: get away!
?: as one to be (intelligible)
s: get the fuck off!
?: (intelligible) friend, good'ay as for we have (intelligible)
?: fail
?: ...

[dull orchid]

its confusing where this is heading

[eternal talon]

this is the full transcript

[serene fractal]

Sleepers are humans infected with a parasite that carries the virus

[subtle verge]

Sleepers as we know it come from the parasite that was released when Santonian dug into the meteor. They're infected humans.

[dull orchid]

thought it was a parasite

yeah but now they are found in alpha 3

o.o

[subtle verge]

We theorize that the parasites came from destination.

[dull orchid]

but it doesnt make sense if theres so many sleepers in alpha 3

when only a handful got sent there

[subtle verge]

Construction crews, etc.

[dull orchid]

.

hmmm

[subtle verge]

And they were there for a couple of years, too.

[rocky wraith]

consider the respawn rooms

they can grow sleepers from pure biomass

eventually stage is reached where humans are no longer needed for the process, only (biomass)

Mothers spawning for example

[dull orchid]

hmm

so it looks like mother comes after certain parasite fuses them tgt

[eternal talon]

@subtle verge read this. i also went through the entire meriam webster dictionary and was not able to find similar words that match vowel pairing for the intelligible segments.

[dull orchid]

after human isnt needed

o.o

[rocky wraith]

all stages including mother were at one point grown in the tanks by the scientists

[serene fractal]

I think there are a couple of things in here that aren't quite what we've collectively heard but is mostly accurate

[eternal talon]

like?

honestly the only part that was difficult for me was " have forseen of when-" which likely isn't accurate

everything else came out cleanly from the software i ran it through

most of the intelligible segments aren't actual words, and are spliced pairs of vowels, and sentence structure seems to be all over the place.

[serene fractal]

"you did conversion, of and (intelligible) of your mind. raaaaaan." is "you mid conversion future yourself should reboot"

[eternal talon]

no those are two seperate segments.

[subtle verge]

?: you did mid conversion, of and (intelligible) of throughout all your mind. raaaaaan Friend.

That's what I pick up personally.

[eternal talon]

listen to the log while you read my post. i guarantee you will hear as it is written aside from the segment "have forseen of when-" to "as one to be (intelligible)"

[rocky wraith]

Raaan is "friend"

[eternal talon]

it is not

it doesn't sound even remotely similar

[subtle verge]

There's a D at the end of the "ran"

[rocky wraith]

Sounds perfectly like it to me

[serene fractal]

It does, considering we all heard it

[eternal talon]

i swear to you, relisten to your log

don't go full echo-chamber

[subtle verge]

I am, I immediately hear "Fffrieeeend."

There's an F there.

[rocky wraith]

I am playing it over and over in windows media player lol

[serene fractal]

I am not saying it is for certain, but you saying it sounds nothing like it, is incorrect

[subtle verge]

Contextually, it makes sense that friend is the word, because it's referencing Schaeffer.

[eternal talon]

there is NOT a d at the end

[rocky wraith]

^^

[eternal talon]

whatsoever

even going in slow motion

at .5x speed

[rocky wraith]

listen to some of the other words then go back to it.

it is definitely saying friend

[eternal talon]

i'm not going to sit here and argue with you guys again today,

be happy in your echo chamber

[subtle verge]

What I hear is: "You mid conversion, avengrrrr; throughout (through not?) all your mind, friiiiiiend."

[eternal talon]

goodbye

[rocky wraith]

[subtle verge]

I will give credit, it is incredibly hard to hear the 'd' at the end of the word. "Frieeeenn"

But there's a distinct F sound at the beginning.

So brain wants to fill in the blank.

[rocky wraith]

context added I think matters most

it uses friend a lot to fill between sections

[worthy flower]

imo all the audio logs this time around had a fucked up preamp, so its hard to hear anything

[rocky wraith]

^^

Considering this is the 22nd specimen, I think there is a good chance we will see more

plus in previous screenshots

[worthy flower]

im glad the extension gave us lore.

[subtle verge]

Truuuuue

[rocky wraith]

whether or not they will be better versions constructed from the warden will be another matter

Potentially the warden might try again to make another. Or there may be others that aren't variants of the warden

[worthy flower]

the audio logs imply to me that it seems they might be a hivemind

[eternal talon]

we know it's a hive

not a hivemind

[rocky wraith]

The sleepers defo are imo. But 22 sounds more like an AI given life given the way it speaks in atomic sentences and logics

[subtle verge]

Yeah, the sleepers are colony-like in nature; like ants, bees, wasps, etc.

[eternal talon]

yes, a hive. not a hivemind

[worthy flower]

i was referring directly to 22.

[subtle verge]

Oh, well... that's a tough one to crack. I've been trying to piece it together, myself.

I don't think they're necessarily hive-like or hiveminds, but more blank slates.

[rocky wraith]

the counting of its seconds from birth is a little unusual,

for a hivemind

[worthy flower]

what was the number it gave?

[rocky wraith]

27,354?

[subtle verge]

"Born 27, 354 seconds ago."

[serene fractal]

Stay there, ok?

[long silence]

are you a prisoner? No I am not confined or restrained, I am in the prime of my liberty

Yes we are not so different you and I

Where did you come from did the warden send you?

Warden yes, hello my friend I am variiiiaaaant

Fuck the warden keep away from me, back-off

you gathered the items it is my birthday born 27354 seconds ago

w-what? born?

To start to exist I hope that will [unknown] true, false future self should reboot

What does that mean? You're not making any sense.

You mid conversion [unknown] of your mind, friend

Y-you keep away from me back-off

I mean it!

Get away
for [unknown]
as one to be gather more
back the fuck up
items [unknown] friend for we have to get them [unknown] thank you

[subtle verge]

Here, I'll throw all of my transcripts on to a Google Doc and I'll share that.,

We can discuss and debate that in threads, might be better than flooding the chat.

For other conversations to flow.

[worthy flower]

the main problem i see, is that he implies he was only born 8 hours ago, which would either imply he's not the first, or that the space between the audio logs we've listened to so far are within the span of 1 day.

[rocky wraith]

27,354 second = 7.5 hours since birthday?

[subtle verge]

Probably when the body left stasis, I'd imagine.

[rocky wraith]

space between at least one day considering how shafer interacts with it

[subtle verge]

As we can draw very loose lines between it and the Neonates that are part of Project RISE.

[rocky wraith]

After uploading into implant?

[worthy flower]

thats one hell of a time span

[subtle verge]

No, no, the neonate took a long time to grow.

[rocky wraith]

nonono, grown first before the implant is activated

[subtle verge]

There's a log this rundown that shows how long it took to grow properly.

[rocky wraith]

woke up, but it was put back to sleep to grow?

[serene fractal]

It could also reference the moment it actually gained a sort consciousness

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/PCS-alert-unauthorized-access-logged-80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf

Go a little further down the line, and...

Very bottom: generator redirect to neonatal.

[rocky wraith]

redirecting a lot of power to the HSU and neonatal

OH HECK

[subtle verge]

When was this? Out of curiosity.

[serene fractal]

Uhhhhhhh when because yeah that's important

[rocky wraith]

vessel for what but its mind

[subtle verge]

Interesting, indeed.

[rocky wraith]

very cool

[serene fractal]

Ok so yeah that would certainly lend some credence to my "making things to upload minds into for survival" theory as a possibility

[rocky wraith]

oh bugger, time to redownload twitter

[subtle verge]

Yeap, same.

[worthy flower]

use nitter or fritter

[subtle verge]

Hmm. Too bad Warden Twitter hasn't tweeted since the end of R4.

[serene fractal]

do you guys see any immediate errors with this transcription or is what's here a good summary of today's discussion?

[eternal talon]

is this that post that is why doc doesn't confirm stuff anymore?

[worthy flower]

honestly, asking devs to confirm stuff is absurd from the getgo

its like asking miyazaki if he has a foot fetish.

[rocky wraith]

lmao

[eternal talon]

we wouldn't have to if the lore wasn't this stupidly convoluted

[harsh saffron]

I think that was the D4 thing actually

[eternal talon]

oh hey merv

[worthy flower]

there will be no in-fight movie for you today.

[quick grove]

Hey

[harsh saffron]

ppl were wondering how us telporting around in d4 makes sense, and he commented on it

[quick grove]

Bye bye now i go back to sleep

[quick grove]

Tampered data cube?

[harsh saffron]

yup

[quick grove]

Yes anyway bye bye now

[rocky wraith]

what level does D4 take place on? is it perhaps the same level that experiences the 230 seconds of daily "lost time"?

[eternal talon]

d4 isn't cannon.

flat out

[rocky wraith]

rip

[eternal talon]

ignore it

[finite vine]

where was it said that Cretasium-77a is an alloy?

[eternal talon]

one of the analysis logs.

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=4427efee66044f93a156c62e2d5b5202

...

can i get a plain picture of this log in-game if anybody has it?

this looks edited

i've never seen a log use ()

[finite vine]

oh coo. so the crystals on planet alpha are not the material found in garganta.

[eternal talon]

crystals aren't cretasium

crystals were found in garganta, they are what powers the MWP,

[finite vine]

cool. I was not aware that was proven yet.

[eternal talon]

but they are separate things

[finite vine]

the crystal inside of the MWP was one of the hammerstein artifacts.

[eternal talon]

yes, recovered from the inner.

[serene fractal]

Do we know if there's a particular reason we used silicon to handle the cretasium or would pretty much any coating work?

[finite vine]

silicon was the only coating that they found to be effective

[eternal talon]

in plaintext

[harsh saffron]

thats a santonian website only log I think

[eternal talon]

where on the website?

[harsh saffron]

now its in the archive006

[eternal talon]

huhn.

i know, i cracked some of them

[harsh saffron]

we went from 1 exclusive during r5 to 7 during r6

8 if you want to count the actual email

[rocky wraith]

Just noticed that the "Arty" guy that Schafer referred to in a friendly and hopeful manner was also the person to install the hearsay system

[serene fractal]

Yeah, Artus

I want to know more about him

[subtle verge]

Artus is the 🐐.

Arguably my second favorite character after Jordy.

(RIP Jordy).

[rocky wraith]

Who them?

[eternal talon]

what character?

jordy is in 2 logs

[subtle verge]

Jordy was an engineer, got eaten by the angry power drill.

Rather, he played chicken with the angry power drill.

[rocky wraith]

Same incident as the one mentioned as being potentially suicide?

[subtle verge]

He had a lot of mental health problems, mainly depression, and jumped into the excavation drill in front of coworkers.

[rocky wraith]

oh heck

[subtle verge]

It's one of the earlier incident report logs.

[eternal talon]

how does that make him your favorite character?

honestly so many of the characters have so little character they might as well be chickenscratch

[subtle verge]

Because I enjoy ironic character progression. He's in 5 logs total, but we learn a lot about him and what made him descend rather quickly into his own madness.

His character is a euphemism to how poorly we treat human beings in their time of need and the consequences that occur because of it.

[rocky wraith]

also miners were being given the I2-LP syringes to inject when the side-effects were known to be dangerous

[eternal talon]

companies being terrible to their workers isn't storytelling, it's standard.

honestly, my favorite character is Schaeffer, just because of how unhinged he is, and how determined he is to complete his goal despite that.

he's a nutcase with a noble goal

[serene fractal]

I find the Teale logs to be quite interesting as well

[rocky wraith]

the difference in personality before he enters HS and after is incredible

[eternal talon]

how has this game gone 2+ years without getting a single bolt action rifle?

(aside from the sniper sentry)

[subtle verge]

Thread for audio log transcript review

Everyone has permissions to comment on it. Normally, I trust enough to give editor perms for everyone, but with the influx of newer folks I'd like to keep any trolls out. ❤️

[serene fractal]

Schleeper

[rocky wraith]

OH! when it says "you gathered the items" I think it was referring to the resources needed to create it that the warden set out to get. Potentially meaning that Shafer was the one to gather the things to make it, meaning in a weird way that Shafer might be seen as a "father" to it?

Just speculation

And Shafer beat 22 to death...

hmmmm

22 seems so betrayed at Shafer turning on it. :(

[lilac island]

22?

Isn't that the robot sleeper or something

[subtle verge]

Not a sleeper, but it's believed to be the/a Neonate.

A "blank slate" so to speak.

[rocky wraith]

oki so sleepers were around since 2053 and they were still mining, huh

[subtle verge]

Yeppers.

[rocky wraith]

But that was only mentioned once they broke through the thing that was growing a massive energy reading

[celest pagoda]

Just noticed: the only name not crossed out on the board, Henrikson, is mentioned by Schaeffer in the log from his hideout.

[rocky wraith]

But Shafer seems unsurprised about sleepers, so I'm guessing they were around long before that

[serene fractal]

Maddox is also not crossed out

[celest pagoda]

is my screenshot out of date? I remeber someone mentioning an adjustment nvm, this screenshot out of date

[rocky wraith]

And Neonatal area was KDS deep. generator B-07. Both where Shafer went and where 22 was supposedly grown(?)

where the warden was trying to reroute power to

[subtle verge]

Yeah, the latest patch notes changed it to have 2 uncrossed names.

[rocky wraith]

9 years earlier

[celest pagoda]

Ah ok. Thanks for lettin me know.

[subtle verge]

o7

[serene fractal]

what if next rundown we play as the squad Schaeffer puts together 😳

[silver vine]

I think it's the same as R5D1 and R1D1, same level but with the new stuff.
The communication in R3C1 mentioned the data we got during Alpha is corrupted so we need to go back

Don't remember if we have a good reason to go back to R5D1 tho

But I think it's more like a flex on the dev to show the vets how much the game have changed since the original level

[burnt wren]

A lore reason would be because bolt action weapons suck and have been irrelevant ever since semi auto DMRs became a thing.
Warden giving them any would basically be gimping them, which would be stupid for an AI that's all about hyper efficiency and getting shit done.

[subtle verge]

Yeah, the way of tech has pretty much removed bolt actions out of military use, save some specially designed bolt-action sniper rifles.

[eternal talon]

We aren't given the best of the best though, we are given whatever is lying around

[eternal talon]

99% of heavy caliber rifles are bolt action

[burnt wren]

To be fair: same logic should apply to pump action shotguns as that mechanism is getting old too, yet we have that available.
Although it's slightly more believable due to the fact that you could come up with some excuse like kovac buying a surplus of them for their security officers or something at a bottom price and now they have plenty to spare (hence why it's a main stay and not rotational).

[eternal talon]

Let me rock a 50bmg in my primary slot

[eternal talon]

Pretty much everything KSOs have is surplus, and we are playing literally years after the apocalypse

[burnt wren]

Even with that considered bolt action is still a dying tech. The last bolt action I know of were some barret designs and that one rifle that almost killed Kentucky ballistics (but that thing is single shot and takes like 30 seconds to reload).
Again - we have a main stay of railgun snipers which can shoot up to 3 rounds in semi-auto fashion. Giving us anything else is just bad strategy on Warden's part unless that thing goes out of rotation somehow.

[eternal talon]

What if it overpenetrates and ignores tank/mother armor?

[eternal talon]

Besides, you can have a clip fed weapon that's bolt action. Fire rate wouldn't be hindered that much, depending on caliber

[lilac island]

DX is a fucking ass blaster

[cobalt mulch]

top mid bottom, and pew a lot mid, u'll be fine :)

[burnt wren]

MAYBE then, but at that point I have trouble calling that a bolt action rifle.
That's not a rifle, that's a handheld anti-tank cannon.

Also that thing would be even more niche than current sniper rifle. Imagine carrying that thing around waiting for PERFECT opportunity to use one of yours 10 rounds.

[lilac island]

my mother is dead

my father is dead too

[cobalt mulch]

cx main bulkhead log is a creepy listen .. "of course you know the warden.. warden sent you! .. next time i'll know what to do. i wont be afraid." .. phew

[eternal talon]

To be fair most anti-tank guns can be fired while standing

[burnt wren]

Although... It doesn't have to be a bullet.

How about a bolt action bolter wannabe

[eternal talon]

We can't have any more explosives. The devs said the mine deployer was a mistake

Single shot weaponry is the best we will get

[burnt wren]

Bhah. Really?

How come? That thing is only good for doors.

Well, and big lads.

[lilac island]

Tf?

why???

theres nothing wrong with mine deployer

[burnt wren]

Well....

[eternal talon]

Same reason why we will never have silenced weapons

It's against what the vision for the game is, whatever that means

[burnt wren]

It can single handedly kill an entire waves when placed outside a door. That's an awful lot of value compared to alternatives. Turrets can barely hold a front line.

[lilac island]

we're against having cool shit in our games, thats what that tells me

[lilac island]

it does that once

and its a purpose solely lacking anywhere else

[burnt wren]

And you have like 5 charges of it, which can be used as long as there are doors... Of which there are usually a plenty.

Hell, you dont even need the door

[lilac island]

you do, yes

it kills like 2 sleepers without a door to centralize them

if that

[subtle verge]

"...save some specially designed bolt-action sniper rifles."

[lilac island]

and I fail to see how this matters, either

[eternal talon]

I want a cannon

[lilac island]

yeah we had that

[subtle verge]

Haaaaaand cannon!

[lilac island]

it was called the burst cannon

[burnt wren]

Smartly applied Cfoam trap can do the trick as well. Freeze first half of the wave, then the other comes rushing through, activates the mine and bam, there goes most of the wave.

Would only work in tight corridors, but it is an option.

[lilac island]

so?

turrets can do the same, gunfire can do the same

[eternal talon]

That, but single fire, and in primary, please.

[burnt wren]

No, not like that.

[lilac island]

yeah, no

thats never happening

[subtle verge]

Real quick: this conversation isn't lore related. If we wish to discuss tactics and weapons, let's take it over to #gtfo-chat please and thanks!

[lilac island]

would be nice

[eternal talon]

Already talking about it there

[burnt wren]

Acknowledged

[subtle verge]

Thanks, babes. ❤️

[celest pagoda]

Ayy wait Punk I just realized you got accepted to mod. Grats!

[subtle verge]

Thanks, bud!

[subtle verge]

I'll leave the audio log thread open for a few more hours if anyone wants to make suggestions. Really, the biggest thing is the long audio log between Schaeffer and the critter; lots of unknowns and differences of opinion on it left.

Plus it's still a WIP for that reason.

I'll ship it over to the Wiki Boys after that's all said and done.

[finite vine]

I just played DX and it really seems like Specimen 22 is the creature Schaeffer has been talking to. It just makes sense, and the placement of the audio logs really make it seem like he killed Specimen 22

[glossy wigeon]

Howdy, I was playing a few nights ago? And I found this audio log in... uh, not sure what level but it was a room with a bunch of those cysts you have to point a flashlight on otherwise they explode and give you infection. In it, a guy (Schaeffer? That's really the only fella I see talked about) seeing some sorta shadow monster that at first gets attacked by the Sleepers, and then it talks to them (kinda) and then the sleepers can't see it anymore. He resolves to kill the thing and I'm wondering if there's any easy explanation about it? Still pretty.. confused, and I seem to be unable to do anymore levels with my current set-up.

[pine agate]

@eternal talon Added the R5 extension levels. Also fixed/added a thing or two in the R5 section. Feel free to change anything there since I made this with 1 braincell left

[finite vine]

was it an audio log? oh nvm just read it

[glossy wigeon]

It was!

[finite vine]

That is probably talking about this thing called the Mimic (community name). Shaeffer has run into it a few times now and it has pale skin, looks almost human, and talks with a really raspy voice. We don't really know what it is. On DX (a new extension level), we hear and audio log of Schaeffer killing it, smashing it with something, as it calls him friend and pleads for its life. After that audio log, we find a corpse called Specimen 22, it looks a lot like the Mimic.

[glossy wigeon]

Aww. Was looking to meet that thing.

I hope there's another one! And that we find it before Schaeffer does.

[subtle verge]

Hi there! What you're referring to is something that we were still speculating on until this current extension. That is, per current evidence, Subject 22 (or community named Mimic), a Neonate from Project RISE. (If you played earlier rundowns, you should remember the Neonate!) We currently believe that the neonates are "blank slates" that were to be used for Project Legion, Kovac Defense Service's (KDS) initiative for a perfected private military. Currently, it is believed that the Warden sent it down, for what reason is currently unknown, however there are some theories regarding why it might be the case.

[glossy wigeon]

(I did not play previous rundowns this is my first one and I'm really excited also what is a Neonate)

[subtle verge]

It's really creepy, and I love him/it.

[finite vine]

2 week old baby