gtfo-lore

[analog frigate]

he voiced fiddlesticks??

damn, never noticed

[subtle verge]

The reworked Fiddlesticks, I assume?

[shut mountain]

Ye

Also Fazbear Freddy in the newest fnaf game

This was your local voice actor library Ravenna

[subtle verge]

Fiddlesticks voicelines seem to be just sucking in air and constricting the voice box. I can do it, as well.

Not at that pitch, obviously, but.

[raven bay]

👍

[subtle verge]

If you're familiar with the heavy metal community, you'd recognize it as the technique for Pig Squealing.

[shut mountain]

https://youtu.be/czsRZd2-6Ac

5:30

Sounds a bit more akin to our mimic to me

But I wanna know the va for surw

Same for Schaeffe

I keep track of my fav VAs pls

@ simon

[analog frigate]

i'll try and find out

holy shit is he an amazing va, but no

doesn't appear that he's voicing it

it's a creature schaeffer encountered

we've only heard it in audio logs

while he was trying to survive

[fiery lance]

What have I missed in the discussion

[analog frigate]

nothing too much, we made transcriptions of what the mimic was saying

[fiery lance]

Where they at

Also noticed "specimen 22" was one of the HSU babies

[topaz flare]

nothing too much

[subtle verge]

I will say: I think the idea of cyanophyta is getting closer to being in the realm of reality. We did get a brief log on the hydroponics.

[fiery lance]

Big question, especially considering the BIOCOM logs: how many times has the Warden done this process?

[topaz flare]

just the fact Schaeffer (i think) created the crew aka woods duada hackett and bishop

[analog frigate]

that is unknown

but it seems like he didn't

[fiery lance]

Certainly sounds like he did.

[analog frigate]

he was watching us and trying to find people like us to get

oh

[topaz flare]

yeah he says yeah he works

[analog frigate]

wait yeah i just realised

[topaz flare]

and i need woods hackett

[fiery lance]

Like he requested us to be deployed

[topaz flare]

bishop

[solar nova]

Not yet. We have some possible explanation in the Rise Project, and that's all rn.

[topaz flare]

and duada works

[analog frigate]

though he said he couldn't manage to open the HSUs

[fiery lance]

Anyone manage to figure out the audio log that we all got layered over

There's definitely something under it all

[solar nova]

Vague mention in a few logs. It's something KDS is working on, and it's mentioned for some shipments and in relation to the Legion Program.

Seems to be something to do with KSOs.

[analog frigate]

which one

the one with a lot of people talking at the same time or schaeffer one?

[fiery lance]

Lots of people talking over one another

But if you got the transcript of the other one

I'd appreciate it

I can't understand specimen 22 for the life of me

[analog frigate]

not really, but it seems like it's something hearsay or something else

[analog frigate]

the mimic isn't specimen 22

at least probably not

it's something else

[fiery lance]

I thought it was

Implication being the Warden wanted us to go check on it

After Schafer clubbed it to death

[analog frigate]

well i can't tell for sure yet, so i don't know

also here are the trascripts

[subtle verge]

It's hard to tell without dates for the recordings.

[analog frigate]

if you scroll down from that one you'll see 2 more

[analog frigate]

also that, we don't have any time frame

[subtle verge]

Even harder because we don't know the precise date we're at in-game.

So those logs could be between hours to weeks to months to even years old.

[fiery lance]

We know, at the very least now

It has been at least 10 years since the incident.

One of the biocom logs is dated to 2063.

[analog frigate]

from the extension?

[fiery lance]

Yup

I checked

EVERY terminal.

[analog frigate]

well that still gives us 50 or so years of variance

[fiery lance]

I'd link my vod for lore purposes if you want to read everything yourself

[analog frigate]

would be nice as to have access to the logs

if you could send it in #gtfo-media or something, that'd be great

[fiery lance]

Bet

[analog frigate]

also DX is almost on the same depth as D4

[subtle verge]

They did say that everything would be above or to the side.

[analog frigate]

10 or so meters apart

[pearl wave]

we gonna need the data divers to understand the lore again ^^

[analog frigate]

people are already on it

[subtle verge]

@analog frigate Do you have free time for some runs into the Xs?

[analog frigate]

currently yeah

[subtle verge]

Cool. Throwing on the update and I'll be ready to go.

[eternal talon]

how the fuck did you complete the 3 scans in DX?

during the ascent of death

we need help

[pearl wave]

#gtfo-related-questions

[analog frigate]

well

[subtle verge]

Anyone else for lore diving? Looking for two more.

[solar patio]

I might be up for it in a bit, really excited to see all the new lore.

Got college for now though:(

[subtle verge]

BX

[eternal talon]

2:03:10 jesus

but we are finally done

also RIP the cosmetic reward is so bad

literally a different Darkeye V-Drum but can't be colored

screenshot time

update on drilling and SMC. finding Cretasium

looks like part of the blastwave caused by the explosion when a mole cracked a barrier in the Inner

idk what these are, something about genetics

talking about HSUs and NAM-V

some weird shit going on with their clocks, possibly artifical time dilation from the artifacts in the meteor, or some other timey-wimey stuff

the sun, this part of the planet is incredibly dusty, perhaps we are in the storm seen from b1

giant fan also seen later on in extended

other surface shots

other surface shots

giant crystals, far bigger than we've ever seen before, approximately 40ft in length, possibly more hidden inside the cliff-face.

mining tunnels, alpha three appears to be a temporary mining site

another mining tunnel leading to a sealed door

another mining tunnel

better shot of the dust, sky, and sun

new shot of the charger flyer enemy type (this might even be wiki worthy were it not for the crosshair!)

mining crew cracked into an open air chamber that was still sealed within the meteor all this time, recovered "unusual artifacts" and notes they were not naturally made

talking about sending more meticulous teams, and using previously dug or found tunnels as a launching point to explore deeper into the meteor

news report about NAM-V in florida

door to schaeffer's room

corpses and hatch

hatch

schaeffer's room

text related to the Rise project

chalkboard inside Schaeffer's room

talking about people going crazy, an autopsy of an unknown creature that was found described as a "life form" carrying bacteria or viruses that there is no remedy for, KDS denying finding the specimen. it appears **Allens **are actually 100% confirmed

download genomedata objective

asking for protein sequencers to try and fight NAM-V

talking about the artifacts recovered being strong enough to shatter a hydraulic press, and destroying a doctor's eye

giant pipe room

giant database vault

the specimen, has a bullet hole in the side of his head and appears badly malnourished

computer jargon

computer jargon

DX is the same location as CX, but below ground

ventilation shaft seen from below is same as seen from above in CX

Entrace into DataVault

@analog frigate this was all me and Exterm found that was noteable during our search

hope this helps

🙂

being the first to hack open schaeffer's terminal helps too for my usefulness, 😉

[eternal talon]

@subtle verge it would appear Allens actually are confirmed in plain-text now, which is fantastic!

now i wasn't able to record the audio logs, but this is all the physical media we found

if you guys scroll up i posted the name IDs of the audio logs we found so you can check them off to make sure we got everything out of 6.5

o7

[eternal talon]

this is also a very good picture of the staircase of death

move out of the way C1 staircase of death, we have a new hardest staircase of r6

and honestly i love it, really really hard!

[analog frigate]

aliens are confirmed, not allens

[eternal talon]

oh c'mon, we still don't have a name for them

please don't bring this fight up again man...

[analog frigate]

no i mean just regular aliens

like flyers and the kraken

[eternal talon]

oh c'mon, you can't just say that they found a kraken underground, what would it eat? those things are huuuge!

and floaters only got into the complex in r6b1,

since after that, they spread through the complex everywhere

so it's either kraken or allens,

and the kraken.. it's just way too big

[analog frigate]

it's not the entire thing

just could be parts of it

[eternal talon]

well maybe, but they said a specimen, as in a whole

not chunks

can you do an autopsy on only parts and not the entire thing?

like an autopsy on a leg?

[analog frigate]

also again, we don't know what was inside the meteorite itself

[eternal talon]

i thought autopsy meant to determine how the thing died

[eternal talon]

this log talks about open chambers and stuff

[analog frigate]

generally yeah

[eternal talon]

so you agree it couldn't just be chunks of a kraken?

[analog frigate]

i do agree on that

but i don't agree that it would be your allens

sure a specimen

but an unknown one

[eternal talon]

what other species are there important in the lore?

[analog frigate]

also smc and kds have been on the new planet a lot longer

they have built a facility

[eternal talon]

Occam's razor states that the easiest answer is oftentimes the right one

[eternal talon]

oh yeah that place is huge

on CX i counted like 3 mining tunnels minimum

couldn't really check in DX that much since, y'know, endless waves of death, but it is massive

the surface has 2 big cranes

so it was at least tome some extent a mining facility

maybe for the giant crystals found around it, who knows

here is a pic of one of the cranes btw

they. are. HUUUGE

[eternal talon]

since it couldn't be the floaters due to how fast they spread once they finally got to Garganta, it's either a kraken, some unknown aliens, or an allen

[dreamy hornet]

kraken?

[eternal talon]

wdym portal room

[eternal talon]

the boss in d1

giant flying squid monster

[eternal talon]

and i just don't think it's ANOTHER unknown species of alien that's been down there, the only one we know about at all that was down there are the allens. all of the others are ONLY seen on destination, the only exception being when we accidentally let the floaters into garganta in b1

[dreamy hornet]

it seems more likely that the sleepers are humans that fell sick to some sort of contagion/virus carried by the aliens

[eternal talon]

they did, but it is.. soo.

that ball kinda got rolling once we went to a new planet

at the very start of r6

so that quote's kinda out of the window

[eternal talon]

precisely.

[dreamy hornet]

which would also mean that large portions of the americas are likely overrun with sleepers and/or just depopulated

[eternal talon]

not really, we know it is hyperlethal, super fast infection rate,

[eternal talon]

no sleepers on the surface

only dead

NAM-V doesn't cause sleepers by itself

[dreamy hornet]

o i missed that interesting

[eternal talon]

it's either the parasite, or the parasite WITH nam-v, we don't know which

but it's probably the latter

daraxus and punk did some calculations a while ago

they came to the conclusion that (probably) something like 99.98% of humanity is dead

yeah, nam-v

it's not finished yet, but read this

it's a plot synopsis.

read the "pre-apocalypse" section

i still need to update it with stuff from this rundown's extention

v2 is a WIP

[dreamy hornet]

you rock!

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate do you get what i mean?

at this point, it's getting kinda ridiculous

we have logs like the teal log where he encountered one, and this one describing them performing an autopsy on one, we have all the artifacts, the teleporters, the data cubes, the chambers found in the inner, the stronger than anything humans could make alloy of Cretasium, the explosion from the inner, it's just so much stuff, when is it enough for you?

[dreamy hornet]

the overall lore or complexity of it?

[eternal talon]

call them whatever you want, but it is fairly obvious at this point that there are ancient aliens responsible for the meteor, it's artifacts, and everything arriving on earth

they just keep throwing more and more evidence at us

[eternal talon]

just all of it, we have something like 15 logs talking about the allens and/or the stuff they found down there

[dreamy hornet]

Do we have clear links between the artifacts used to make the ?teleporter? and the alien enemies? If its in your breakdown my apologies, slowly going through that

[eternal talon]

the teleporter relies on the wave matter projecter to even function,

the wave matter projector isn't human made, only the shell for it is to slot it into the teleporter

it runs on data cubes? i think they are called (found in c1 and d4) to triangulate where it teleports to

the only connection between them and the ALIENS on destination is the ability to teleport, which is also seen in the allens inside the meteor from the teal log

[solar nova]

No, but we know sleepers seem to be mimics of other species so it's not that much of a stretch to suspect flyers might look like the allens.

[eternal talon]

teleportation is fairly common it would seem in relation to life on destination

[subtle verge]

I would argue that this does not confirm "allens" or "aliens." This is in reference, and as the log points out, just the right time that Sleepers were starting to become rampant in the facility. I would guarantee you my next paycheck this is in reference to a sleeper.

[eternal talon]

give me my money

[subtle verge]

Have you seen anything inside of the test tubes that wasn't a sleeper?

Neither have I.

[dreamy hornet]

o so its possible that the flyers aren't even the actual alien species but a second species that was mutated by the aliens

[eternal talon]

well the teal log describes what they saw as almost like two people stitched together, which isn't anything like any floater we've ever seen

[serene fractal]

Very confused as to what y'all mean by allens

[eternal talon]

well they are all aliens, so is the parasite and virus

[eternal talon]

allens is a temporary term used to describe the species of aliens found in the meteor that made the MWP, data cubes, and teleportation tech

[dreamy hornet]

true but it would be another twist if the place that the crew are being teleported to isn't the parasite/virus homeworld but instead somewhere that the aliens colonized/attacked previously with the parasite/virus

[analog frigate]

lostty uses the term to define the things that made the mwp and all that tech

[solar nova]

It seems to be a sleeper, and sleepers seem to be an alien species as far as we know, but their only relation to the allens is that they might take on allen-like forms.

[analog frigate]

they work on a parasite basis

they try to mix in with the already evolved species of the planet

[eternal talon]

the parasite takes whatever hosts it finds and manipulates its DNA into a form it finds useful for it's hive

[analog frigate]

as to not have to take millions of years to evolve by itself

for example, the humanoid sleepers are mainly mutated humans

all of them derived from human dna

[dreamy hornet]

now that is awesome

[eternal talon]

it is also probably why the infected aliens on destination use the kraken as a sort of aircraft carrier for the other infected species, the floaters

[analog frigate]

while the ones we find on the new planet appear to be the ?original? species of the planet, taken over by the sleeper parasite or virus or whatever turns them at this point

[eternal talon]

it is using what it has access to to further the hive with minimal energy spent

rather than making it's own forms

it's manipulating what it has access to

[dreamy hornet]

wait the kraken flies? i thought that thing was more like a giant fleshy tower

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate there had to have been secret Kovac expeditions to destination, that site is WAAAAY too big for the durant team to have constructed it

[eternal talon]

not really, it's tumors are like giant air-boyant sacks

like a blimp

sort of

er, zeppelin

i think

i think a zeppelin is the one that uses many buoyant ballasts, right?

[analog frigate]

it's not, just the time frame was unknown

previously we thought that they were there for a couple months max before things went wrong

apparently they've been there for much longer

[solar nova]

Alpha 3 does imply that visits to destination alpha were way more extensive that what we know from logs currently.

[eternal talon]

still, it's a lot of steel and construction materials. with a crew of only about a dozen or so people, that would take months

[solar nova]

There's a lot more going on that we've been made aware of.

[analog frigate]

it's not only that much

that was the research team

and the KSOs that were mentioned

on the smallest outpost

[eternal talon]

also we atleast kind of know where CX and DX are relative to B1

still no clue where D1 is though

[analog frigate]

D1 is alpha 2

[eternal talon]

well yeah, but it's on a mountain with no landmarks

were it not for the sandstorm, you'd be able to see CX from B1

[analog frigate]

because?

[eternal talon]

it's the giant sandstorm is how we can identify where CX even is

[eternal talon]

it's a giant sandstorm miles high..

[eternal talon]

really should have got a better picture of the distance, but you can see the same landscape in the background too

CX is in the giant sandstorm near the mountains

[solar nova]

BX, btw

[eternal talon]

was it BX?

i don't recall

one of those two

i know DX is down below in that same facility on destination

[solar nova]

Yeah, but you visit the top area in BX for a hold, CX doesn't have any dimension hopping.

[eternal talon]

ah. thanks

still, wonder what the fuck they were mining

[eternal talon]

look at the SIZE of these crystals

absolutely gargantuan

@subtle verge it says they were there for the discovery of it, why would they still call it a "life form" instead of just an infected human or something? besides, this is JUST after the Edgar/Teale log, before sleepers appeared, sleepers only show up in halfway through October, and even that's only on the lowest levels

a month and a half later

from the biotracker surveillance log

on October 11th, 2053

[solar nova]

Show up to our knowledge, and if I know the log you mean it suggests they've been around for a while.

Because sleepers might not be infected humans, if they are mimics then they are an independent organism.

[eternal talon]

wdym "show up to our knowledge"

[solar nova]

The earliest logs we have that mention or imply the existence of sleepers in no way indicate that these are the first instances in which they show up.

[eternal talon]

yeah

but that doesn't make it common

my main issue is they don't recognize it even in part as human

[analog frigate]

the issue is, it's a sandstorm

we don't know the time between visits

[eternal talon]

true

[analog frigate]

we don't know if it's the same storm

[solar nova]

Well yeah, if it's a sleeper then it's humanoid, not human per-say, and if it's a floater then holy shit would it look weird.

[analog frigate]

could be on another side of the planet for all we know

[eternal talon]

floaters weren't in the facility yet at that time though, also the creature described in the teal log has 4 arms

[solar nova]

We don't know that.

[eternal talon]

it says it looks like two people stitched together

the first thing that pops into my mind is https://mortalkombat.fandom.com/wiki/Goro?msclkid=b336b868ba9411ecb47cbe91753b103e

[analog frigate]

two people stitched together doesn't mean double the limbs

[solar nova]

What does the Teale log have to do with the analyst report?

You do this a lot, you're just outright assuming the Teale log and the new Analyst Report log are talking about the same thing. Nothing entails this, or even heavily implies this, you've just decided they're related.

[eternal talon]

tell me then, what else is it talking about?

from a lore writing standpoint, what else are they talking about?

[analog frigate]

don't look at it from a lore writer standpoint, it's useless

we tried it at the latter part of r5

only confuses things

also no one could predict r6 in any way

and we aren't the writers

for all we know they can just make it so the warden decides he doesn't need us and send us into a death trap and schaeffer saves us or something

[eternal talon]

the edgar teal isn't talking about a human or any alien or creature we have seen before aside from maybe the schaeffer creature, but even that we don't know much about

[solar nova]

This argument doesn't work here. The log itself alleges a life form, so the intention is clearly to get people thinking about this life form, and give us a date for when it was found. These functions don't require any relation to the Teale/Edgar log.

[eternal talon]

why do they say it was found, not killed?

i mean they are performing an autopsy, so it's obviously dead,

[solar nova]

WHO KNOWS

[eternal talon]

but what killed it?

i know the floaties and the sleepers don't attack eachother

i'm not saying it's an uninfected allen, it's just weird

[solar nova]

Maybe it was already dead, maybe they found and then killed it, maybe it's still alive and contained (probably not, though), could be so much.

[eternal talon]

you can't perform an autopsy on something alive

[solar nova]

Well yeah, you'd kill it.

[solar nova]

You're just quoting things that don't favor your position, which is something you also do.

[eternal talon]

wdym

[solar nova]

You're repeating the log's contents as if it favors your very specific position on what the creature is and what state it was in when found.

[eternal talon]

how about that?

[solar nova]

This log is unrelated.

[eternal talon]

so you will ignore it?

[solar nova]

In the context of this conversation?

Yes.

[eternal talon]

we are fundamentally talking about allens existing

[hot burrow]

whats going on?

[solar nova]

Obviously.

[eternal talon]

which i have been trying to PROVE to you, for months

[analog frigate]

useless arguing again

[solar nova]

We are talking about analysis report.

[hot burrow]

cute

[solar nova]

The specific creature mentioned in that log.

You have made two different claims about this creature.

[eternal talon]

what do you mean two different claims?

[solar nova]

1. it is definitely an allen
2. it is definitely the creature from the Edgar / Teale log.

[eternal talon]

@subtle verge floaties don't have hands

[eternal talon]

does that not imply that the creature in the edgar teale log is also an allen?

i thought that would be an obvious extension of my statement

[solar nova]

Absolutely, but neither of these claims is at all substantiated.

[steel plover]

Wait this game has lore?

[solar nova]

You've made it up, and then you switched to talking about "allens exist" instead of this specific creature.

[steel plover]

🗿

[serene fractal]

What is even being argued here

[eternal talon]

wdym made it up?

i have made up NOTHING

[solar nova]

You're hopeless.

[eternal talon]

that is a blatant lie

[steel plover]

I can't believe it isn't Scary Monster Go Boo

[hot burrow]

stupid shit

[steel plover]

Now, honestly, anyone figured out what were those markings on the stone?

[eternal talon]

no, it's too low rez.

[solar nova]

Which stone?

[eternal talon]

and it didn't come up in 6.5 either

[eternal talon]

the one in b1

[steel plover]

🗿 fml I wanna know if warden-senpai will change Eldritch diapiez

[eternal talon]

i agree

[hot burrow]

The thing you stand on once you teleport

[eternal talon]

you don't stand on it

[analog frigate]

do we have a date on that log?

[eternal talon]

hold on, let me scroll up and get the pic

[solar nova]

Ah. Didn't seem like there were markings to me, personally, but I'd have to look at it again.

[steel plover]

The REAL deep lore is when will the matchmaking work

OOOOO SPOOKY

[solar nova]

Jan 16, 2053

[eternal talon]

the allens are REAL.

[steel plover]

I put dx and nobody shows up, did the Warden kidnap my team mates?

and when I get paired with people, why do they have only 2 braincells?

now that's the real deepest lore

[eternal talon]

this is where you spawn relative to the stone

let me go find a pic of the markings

[serene fractal]

Anyways, someone said a couple of hours ago that they had an audio log that was kinda hard to hear; did anyone else clean it up?

[steel plover]

is the C-foam actually CUM?

[eternal talon]

^ flashlights on stone

[steel plover]

🗿

[analog frigate]

construction foam

[steel plover]

You've ruined my day by being reasonable.

[eternal talon]

used to be.

[steel plover]

I miss the good ol' days

[hot burrow]

mmmmmmmmmm

[steel plover]

running without having a heart attack

Ah, the cardio.

[analog frigate]

so then it's around the same time sleepers started appearing in the lower levels of garganta

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate this is that log. it's in the mountain of pics i posted earlier

[analog frigate]

oooh artus

ok it makes sense now

they encountered sleepers

or at least something similar

[eternal talon]

no

well,

kinda

infected allens

[analog frigate]

since after this, he messages schaeffer to tell him about it

[analog frigate]

sleepers until proven different

[steel plover]

Wait, aren't they EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL ayy lmaos?

Wait, what

[analog frigate]

those aliens are never mentioned

only implied indirectly

no logs state their presence within anything that has happened

at least direct presence

[eternal talon]

sleepers aren't smarter than humans and can't invent teleportation technology and make artifacts strong enough to SHATTER a hydraulic press

[steel plover]

Where is the sticky with the compilation of everything we know so far?

which isn't a nasal, breathy youtuber?

[analog frigate]

that would be assuming what they found was the thing that made the mwp and stuff

[serene fractal]

Check pinned

[analog frigate]

which is never specified or mentioned

[eternal talon]

that log doesn't say they found anything other than "unusual artifacts"

[steel plover]

Bro I did, I swear there was one with a google drive

am I going insane?

[solar carbon]

Could yall do a resume

Of all your current convos

[steel plover]

AM I THE CRYPTOMNESIA MAN?

[solar carbon]

Whats up with the lore

[analog frigate]

no need

it's easy to sum up

[solar carbon]

Sum it up

[eternal talon]

arguing about allens existing again

[steel plover]

Meteor fell on Earth, Extra-dimensional ayy lmaos taking over

[solar carbon]

Whats new

[eternal talon]

alot

[solar carbon]

Gimme that hot lore

[solar nova]

Again, this was never in dispute.

You actually pulled it out of thin air.

[steel plover]

C-Foam stands for CUM

[solar carbon]

Forgot that was

Nvm

[serene fractal]

my eyes

[solar carbon]

Shhh i forgot okay my bad

[eternal talon]

i hope you mean the argument, and not allens existing. because they obviously do

[solar carbon]

Allens?

[steel plover]

ayy lmaos?

[solar nova]

Yes, the argument, nobody doesn't think allens are a thing.

[solar carbon]

Aliens…?

Or allens

[eternal talon]

the temporary name for the species of aliens that made the MWP, Data Cubes, and presumably sent the meteor to earth

[solar carbon]

Ohhhhh

Ok ok

Yeah

[solar nova]

Allens: Whatever alien race (or collective of races) constructed the fossil.

[solar carbon]

Hmm

Whats up with the destroyed sleeper

Like cut in half

[serene fractal]

I'm saying this as a newcomer; we should really have a different term because I thought it was just a purposeful misspelling of alien and not referencing a different species

[eternal talon]

i was arguing with punk for quite a while about it, thought i was going insane

[solar carbon]

Same

[analog frigate]

we figured out the importance of schaeffer, he made the group that we are now (hackett, bishop, woods and dauda)
we know more about the mimic, it seems like some mutation with a corrupted chip that was mentioned in a log
durant was on the new planet for much longer since they have entire big facilities there

that's a sum up

pretty much all of it

[eternal talon]

we really gotta get an official name soon for them

it's like the red alpha/destination thing

[solar carbon]

Ill have to do all the levels first if

Ig

[eternal talon]

at least destination is less confusing than red alpha

[solar nova]

I can review the argument if you can link me back to where it started, but I'm 90% sure the original convo was about the new analyst report log, not allens existing in general.

[analog frigate]

issue is, the "allens" have never been mentioned or specified, only indirectly implied, so we can't exactly do much

[eternal talon]

i don't think he made the group, was that log before, or after the place went to shit?

[steel plover]

Anyone figured out why the Warden stuck us in a time loop already?

[eternal talon]

because the log we got from the website says Kovac were striving to create the perfect quad

[analog frigate]

we have the aliens, like the kraken and flyer

[analog frigate]

unknown

appears after

[steel plover]

🗿

[eternal talon]

so then yeah, he just happened across exactly what he was looking for, but Kovac beat him to the punch

[analog frigate]

they didn't

since they were basically gone at the same

[eternal talon]

not at the same time, before

the log from the santonian website before 6.5 dropped

said kovac were striving to make the perfect quad, remember?

with the issues with certain frequencies?

[analog frigate]

yes what about it

[eternal talon]

that was before Schaeffer was even a KSO, since he went there after shit hit the fan, since he was trying to find any trace of kovac left at all

[analog frigate]

perfect private army

[eternal talon]

well 4 people isn't really an army, but yeah

[analog frigate]

he was already there

[analog frigate]

it's not 4, KDS Deep exists

[eternal talon]

daraxus, i think you are confused

[analog frigate]

plus the extra storage facilities mentioned

[eternal talon]

we aren't talking about all the ksos, we are talking about our squad

[analog frigate]

yes

[solar nova]

"Perfect quad" is probably an abstraction.

Not a literal 4 specific people.

[analog frigate]

and you are saying that KDS tried to make the perfect squad

[eternal talon]

chad theory, really

[analog frigate]

i'm correcting that

[eternal talon]

the log said that

explicitly

the last sentince

says exactly that

[analog frigate]

that's just not correct

then why did they have over 1300 HSUs?

[solar nova]

Daraxus

[analog frigate]

for the 4 people to switch beds?

[eternal talon]

idk man i'm not kovac

[solar nova]

The log does say that.

That doesn't mean it's a concrete quad.

[analog frigate]

which one precisely

[eternal talon]

let me go copy paste the log

i'm getting it hold on

[solar nova]

Newest, website

[analog frigate]

terminal?

[eternal talon]

8rt-nsa-bun.log

"We continue to strive for the perfect quad."

no

santonianindustries

[solar nova]

D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender:    Ellis Carnegie
Receiver:  Anders Johanson
Date:        September 3rd 2050
Subject:    Psychological encoding
 
Mr. Johanson,
 
With regards to the psychological matching of our operatives, we have found that each designation has a tendency to take a specific role within the quad. Genesis often establish themselves as leaders within a few minutes, as is to be expected with the increased 5-HT receptors. The designations do allow for flexibility of course. We have several quads where operatives marked as Faulty have assumed a leadership role, making me question our classification criteria. It may be that our standards are too stringent (excepting injury or physical incapability obviously), and we should be less hasty marking an operative as faulty when we see mental aberrations. The deviations happen more often when the operative is placed under extreme duress, or if an objective requires extensive violent engagement. I believe we expect too much given their social circumstance prior to acquisition. Despite extensive protein supplements, those embedded behaviors are going to surface and we should develop a curriculum to deal with them rather than throwing them on the trash heap.
 
This, of course, is all moot pending Rise, but who knows how long that will be.
 
At some point I’d like to address the auditory response irregularity noted in my previous report. While the short-term solution is to simply offer ear protection for operatives who are overly sensitive to certain frequencies, I’d like to put together a team to research the problem. Let me know.
 
We continue to strive for the perfect quad.
 
Ellis Carnegie

[analog frigate]

that's the terminal

[eternal talon]

it literally says exactly that

kovac made the perfect squad us, and Schaeffer found out later and that's why he is trying to convert us all through r6

[analog frigate]

alright but why does link schaeffer picking us at seemingly random

[eternal talon]

he knows we are his only chance at breaking away from the warden

[eternal talon]

because it's him finding us

a happy accident, i guess

[solar nova]

Bro, you're off into wild speculation again.

[eternal talon]

he and kovac had the same idea

[serene fractal]

Hey wait

[eternal talon]

it's hard to explain nuance, okay?

i'm trying

[solar nova]

You've latched onto this particular reading of this particular log and are reshaping literally everything else we know around that interpretation.

[eternal talon]

i'm not trying to

[serene fractal]

They provide ear protection for individuals who are particularly susceptible to some frequencies

[eternal talon]

i'm trying to explain schaeffer didn't make our squad, kovac did

[serene fractal]

Bishop has the headphone model yeah?

[eternal talon]

he asked why schaeffer is picking us seemingly at random during his voice log in the hideout

[analog frigate]

i mean yeah his ears are slightly covered?

[serene fractal]

Not actually important, but neat detail

[analog frigate]

oh yeah

neat

[solar nova]

???

and you are saying that KDS tried to make the perfect squad
then why did they have over 1300 HSUs?

And then you say:

kovac made the perfect squad us, and Schaeffer found out later and that's why he is trying to convert us all through r6
So he challenges this:
alright but why does link schaeffer picking us at seemingly random

This just looks to me like Schaeffer interacting with our squad specifically rather than other squads, which is a direct response to your claim that we are playing as the specific perfect group of 4. Nothing to do with the CX logs.

[eternal talon]

cx logs?

now i'm really confused

[solar nova]

CX has the hideout. You literally just brought them up.

he asked why schaeffer is picking us seemingly at random during his voice log in the hideout

You said this 5 minutes ago, do you not remember saying it or why you said it?

[dim scroll]

Ayo anybody got a summary of the ext logs please ? 😳

[eternal talon]

i don't remember the context

[solar nova]

SoonTM

[solar nova]

Well no wonder these conversations are such a headache.

[dim scroll]

😳

[versed pebble]

that will have to wait cuz there's a Raylot vs Losty battle ongoing right now about the lore

[eternal talon]

dimentia runs in my family, okay? it's not my fault i have memory loss problems! it's genetic!

[analog frigate]

not a battle, kinda a lost argument

[hot burrow]

yes

[versed pebble]

yeah because one of them has memory issues @_@

[analog frigate]

i have onset dementia but ok

[solar nova]

That's a big oof.

[eternal talon]

well we are playing as the perfected squad of 4 though, we come back from anything and everything the warden throws at us alive, canonically speaking

[hot burrow]

I would not call them perfect imo, But they get the job done pretty well.

[eternal talon]

@solar nova

[solar nova]

What did I say about this conversation, do you remember?

[eternal talon]

also this

we were arguing about there being evidence to support ancient allens existing in the context of the lore

like, at all

[eternal talon]

oh, no i don't remember

what?

[solar nova]

I'm 90% sure the original convo was about the new analyst report log, not allens existing in general.

[dim scroll]

🍿

[eternal talon]

we aren't fighting?

[dim scroll]

Hold on

[eternal talon]

but i mean mostly this

[solar nova]

The 2nd convo you link is from yesterday as well. What you've done is you've taken your new conversation, today, about the analyst report, and you've conflated it for your old conversation, yesterday, about allens in general.

[dim scroll]

No drama in GTFO !?!?!?!?

[eternal talon]

not much changed though, we still know basically nothing about them

[eternal talon]

oh no there is drama quite a bit, this just isn't one of those cases

[solar nova]

The problem is that, in your argument today, you've been defending the claim about the specific specimen in the analyst report by defending the claim about allens in general, as if the latter entails the former, which it just doesn't.

[eternal talon]

i don't know what you mean

[pearl wave]

not really computer jargon and more medical jargon it seems

[versed pebble]

NO DrAMa hOLD mE cHaT

[solar nova]

So, when challenged on the claim that the new analyst report is referring to an allen, you jumped to defending that allens exist in general.
This is either...
(1) An implication that the general claim about allens entails or justifies the specific claim about the analyst report, since you're bringing it up in response to me challenging the specific claim about the analyst report.
or...
(2) Losing track of what is at stake in the argument. You are responding to claims about the analyst report, but you're interpreting these claims as if they are about the general claim that allens exist.

[eternal talon]

2

[solar nova]

Fair enough, then.

[eternal talon]

because that's what the arguement was the day before

and talking about allens again turned into an extension of that for me

[solar nova]

It kind of is, but it's direction.

[pearl grotto]

Hey, anyone has the audio.log: T43-777-45M written? I couldn't understand half of the sht that was going on there x) .It's on the second expedition of the extension tho--

[analog frigate]

the one where the mimic talks?

or another one

[pearl grotto]

yes, prob

[analog frigate]

one moment

[pearl grotto]

didnt know that was a mimic hhh

[solar nova]

If the analyst report is talking about an allen, then allens exist.
If allens do not exist, then the analyst report is not talking about an alien

But this doesn't go the other way.

If allens exist, that doesn't necessarily mean that the analyst report is talking about an allen.
If the the analyst report is not talking about an allen, that doesn't necessarily mean that allens do not exist.

[pearl wave]

they up there somwhere

[analog frigate]

i believe you mean this one?

if you scroll down you'll see 2 more transcriptions

and general discussion about it

also mimic is kinda a coined name due to what we knew about it before the extension

[pearl grotto]

Thanks mate, gonna check it rn ❤️ When I was hearing the audio I though that was some kind of sleeper's god or whatever

[analog frigate]

well not really

we don't know exactly what it is

but it's some sleeper related creature with what possibly could be a corrupted chip

we discussed it between and after the transcriptions

[eternal talon]

but you agree, the allens almost certainly exist, right?

[solar nova]

Yes, I think it's very likely.

[pearl grotto]

that mimic thing I'll say

[harsh saffron]

Quick question: Is the 5C4-L3R-PR0 log from CX or BX? Forgot to sort them immediately after screenshotting

[pearl grotto]

I was thinking about subject 22, he's got a hole in the skull so maybe it had one of those chips there and was being monitorized by the warden or someone else? Since it looks like Schaff did kill that creature, might it be the MIMIC having a chip on his head?

[robust apex]

A quick thought based on the BX schaeffer log; is the warden just interpreting schaeffer's ramblings as general directives and then sending operatives to try to do them? Evidence for it is pretty scant at the moment but the points in favour are:

• Schaeffer is still alive (different voice logs in the same levels)
• Suggests getting KSOs to reactivate KDS-Deep, which the warden then does (years later) in R5
• Repeated statements regarding having to go deeper and meeting Schaffer; which the warden then promptly assigns the prisoners to do, and hence we find more schaeffer logs, rinse and repeat.

[finite vine]

seems extremely unlikely to me.

I don’t understand why the warden would do that in the first place, there really isn’t any benefit of listening to the insane rambling of a man and then using all of the resources to try to do what he “is saying”.

[shut mountain]

Schaeffer is the warden

/s

?

[robust apex]

It's presumably programmed to respond to orders and schaeffer is the last thing left in the complex that can do that, however schaeffer would be unaware this is happening

[finite vine]

well we don’t know how the warden receives its orders.

[pearl grotto]

Schaffen was recruited in the year 2050, or that is what the mail letter says so..dont think

[finite vine]

we also don’t know if Schaeffer is the only person roaming around the complex.

[finite vine]

I have yet to notice the bucket lmao

I have only done BX though

[frail pollen]

Idk where it is. It keeps being moved

[shut mountain]

It was me, sorry, I love the bucket too much

[dim scroll]

What is specimen 22 then ?

I missed most of the discusion 😳

[hot burrow]

I'm kind of thinking its the neonate. but thats my own little theory

[eternal talon]

i have no idea, i didn't see it mentioned anywhere

i don't even remember how the objective of dx turned into finding it

we did the staircase of death,

then all of a sudden "i guess we are looking for this thing now"

it is wierd

[hot burrow]

Schaeffer attacked it. thats why

[pearl wave]

we dont know yet if specimen 22 and mimic/neonate are the same thing

[quick grove]

@eternal talon we got anything new on the mimic

[eternal talon]

do you consider the mutant to be the mimic?

[quick grove]

What

Gimme a second

How big the update for the game

[eternal talon]

not big

like 300mb

or smn

[quick grove]

Ooooo yes

Aight imma be on then if you want to play

[eternal talon]

already done it, sorry

[quick grove]

Then re run it

[eternal talon]

dx is hell

[quick grove]

Nah shouldn't be

[eternal talon]

it's 3 b2 uplinks

with an error alarm

with normal sleepers and floaties

with a staircase of death

at the same time

[quick grove]

Lol

[quick grove]

cant be that bad

[eternal talon]

you have to get to the top

[quick grove]

oooooo fuck the warden warning us about outer parimeter

[eternal talon]

doing 4 code uplink connects along the way

3 times

[quick grove]

ooo sounds nice

[eternal talon]

this is destination, not the surface

[quick grove]

cant be worse than D3

[eternal talon]

it is

by alot

surface

[quick grove]

welp ill see

[eternal talon]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

I FOUND SOMETHING HUGE

@analog frigate the mountains match up

can someone else confirm also?

[finite vine]

devs could of just used the same asset but flipped it

[eternal talon]

it's not flipped though, the ridge on the left is the same

[finite vine]

not for the purpose of making the levels match up navigationally, but for the purpose of making level design easier.

[eternal talon]

it's from a different angle

[finite vine]

flipped/ rotated

[eternal talon]

idk this looks deliberate. d1 didn't show any mountains at all

they could have done that again, but they didn't

@frail pollen do you guys use objects for your terrain or just meshes? i'm simply curious B1 looks almost entirely like a low poly mesh when you look down below the cliff

[finite vine]

its probably a low poly mesh. an object would be too performance heavy.

[quick grove]

@eternal talon do we have the audio for the new mimic audio

[eternal talon]

somebody does

i didn't record it though

[quick grove]

dang

[eternal talon]

the names of the logs i posted waaaay above, when me and exterm were clearing it to get the text logs

[quick grove]

we doin BX @eternal talon

[eternal talon]

we?

you need help?

[quick grove]

ye me and you

[eternal talon]

i don't really want to 2 man it

[quick grove]

damn bro

[white moth]

Does anyone know if the extended rundown is like a sequence of its own lore and the main rundown follows a different sequence

Cause that’s what I’m getting from it

[eternal talon]

DX's objective is to go and grab the genome we downloaded in d1, so they appear to be at least lightly connected

and BX has us going to alpha 3

so they are connected, but it's not like a direct follow up,

more like a side-step, it would seem

that's as far as i can tell, anyway

we've already gathered pretty much everything there is to gather, only a day in.

which is, kinda disappointing tbh

[white moth]

Okay

I think I’m just gonna work on a Schaffer lore video then

[eternal talon]

we do have a fair amount on his backstory now

we got just about the last of it when i found the code to the terminal in his hideout

there are partial transcriptions way above, until somebody pulls a full audio recording of it

well yeah, that's how games work, but in a lore standpoint, that's what i'm getting out of it

as to why the background are the same, reuse of assets wasn't really ever a problem before, i mean look at subject 22 in DX.

[real pewter]

has anyone recheck the log terminal in D1?

[eternal talon]

terminal log?

and rechecked it since when?

about the warden? no, not really.

it's not. it's an AI.

not recent no,

this has been known for a while afik

WRDN = WARDEN

you'd have to ask Ray, Punk, or Daraxus on that one

as i've only heard it from them

what would you classify actions of it's to be fuck-ups?

shutdown? which level?

then r6 happened

it says physical override attempt

that's us.

[finite vine]

but it also says that an external connection was established

we didn't enter any of that code

[eternal talon]

from a gameplay standpoint, do you want us to enter all of that code?

[finite vine]

no, there would probably be a command for it.

like we have done in the past

I personally think the warden is a group of scientists/ people trying to access the tech and resources locked within Gargantua to use for their own objectives.

I mean the place basically went to shit, the only thing keeping Garganta secure and hard to access is the infestation of sleepers and the security system.

[eternal talon]

i was told directly that it is an AI, a decision intelligence, not a group of people or anything of the sort.

[finite vine]

lmao who told you that? it has not been proven yet...

we only know that BIOCOM is a DI

[eternal talon]

^ this

also daraxus

^

[finite vine]

well a DI is different from a sentient AI.

we have learned from previous logs that humans monitor BIOCOM and influence its objective stacks.

[eternal talon]

yes, but humans aren't biocom, and neither is WRDN

WRDN overwrote and inherited biocom

this is the very first search result.

[finite vine]

ok. by saying "I think the warden is a group of people" I meant that a group of people are using/ controlling the warden code for their own intentions.

[eternal talon]

everybody is gone, including Kovac

the new log with Schaeffer going into DKS deep says that explicitly, that he can't find them and that they all went to sleep

it's one of the voice logs

[finite vine]

you keep saying this, but there is no proof of this being true. yea its likely and could be possible, but we literally have a log describing that the WHO was looking for Garganta in like 2058

[eternal talon]

i just posted proof...

[eternal talon]

^literally one sentence below

[finite vine]

??? just because Schaeffer didn't find anyone in KDS deep does not mean everyone is dead.

[eternal talon]

he says he was looking for a while though, for anybody

damn i wish i had the explicit audio logs on file

does anybody have the voice logs??? specifically the Schaeffer ones

[finite vine]

well like I said above, the WHO was operational during 2058 and was looking for Garganta. So it does not matter if everyone in the complex died or not, there still could be people on the surface.

[eternal talon]

there is no actual proof they are operational, that message for all intense and purposes could have been left on repeat indefinitely

[finite vine]

ok. same with your proof. just because Schaeffer didn't find anyone in KDS deep does not mean that everyone in the complex was dead.

[eternal talon]

which is what the log says, that it was on repeat.

"will repeat on the hour every hour this is the world [inaudible]"

[finite vine]

yes I know. that does not disprove my point

[eternal talon]

you edited what you said.

[finite vine]

when?

[eternal talon]

it said nothing about people being on the surface before

it says (edited)

[finite vine]

ok?

[eternal talon]

you are talking about people in general, from Garganta or not, interfacing with WRDN, which simply is not considerable

[finite vine]

yes that is correct. "a group of scientists/ people" is what I said

why is it not considerable?

[eternal talon]

your about to make me run through BX and CX again just to get exact transcripts of these voice logs skyrope

[finite vine]

I played BX and listened to all the logs.

[lilac island]

How many people are not infected?

In the millions right?

[finite vine]

we don't really know. the only thing we know for sure is that the WHO said that there is a 90% chance that NAM-V is present in every continent of the world

[eternal talon]

this log tells schaeffer traveling through vents exploring the complex for quite some time before heading to KDS deep

[eternal talon]

not infected?

[finite vine]

yes I remember the audio log. the complex is a very big place.

[eternal talon]

99.98% of humanity is dead according to our best (unconfirmed) estimates

[eternal talon]

he also says the commissary (cantina) has a hundred of them in it

the complex is thoroughly infested. and he finds not a single person

[finite vine]

ok then. I guess there is not a single person left alive in Garganta.

[eternal talon]

aside from Schaeffer and not including people in hydrostasis? likely not.

[finite vine]

the fact that Schaeffer was able to survive continuously for so long makes it possible for others to do so.

[eternal talon]

kitchens require massive ventilation systems. it is unlikely it is built too far from the surface.

[eternal talon]

his literal last log is him talking about starving to death

wdym

[finite vine]

how has Schaeffer not died during the present?

[eternal talon]

in schaeffer's hideout in CX, once he gets locked into KDS deep

[eternal talon]

no idea, isn't one of these logs dated?

if i remember correctly, they are shortly after things started going to shit, and therefore a couple years before the start of the game

[finite vine]

the Schaeffer logs on BX were probably recorded between 2053 - 2058

[finite vine]

we dont know when the start of the game was.

[eternal talon]

hold on

i could have sworn we got a date for when the events of the game are

maybe i'm wrong

let me scroll up again

[finite vine]

my point is, Schaeffer survived in the complex by himself for a long time. He has found a food source, a water source, and a way to move around. He figured all that out after his mind was wiped from being in an HSU for so long.

What do you think someone of a higher security tier could of been able to do? Someone that knows Garganta well?

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate weren't you guys talking about a date somewhere around 2063 or something earlier? or am i just going crazy?

when you were talking about the mutant

[finite vine]

why does the date matter? Schaeffer still found a way to survive in the complex, AFTER his mind was wiped by an HSU.

[eternal talon]

no, you misunderstand

his hideout is most likely after he broke free of the warden

he didn't just wake up out of hsu out of nowhere

i don't even think we know that thats possible

it's like waking out of a medically induced coma, you can't do that on your own

because that same audio log says he is coming for you!

i was CORRECTED on this

so i am 100% sure

because i misquoted the next sentince

that this is after he escaped the warden

he didn't survive alone pre-control and after hsu, it was straight from hsu to being controlled by the wrdn

[finite vine]

yea, thats not what im saying. you said that Schaeffer walked around in the vents for a bit before reaching KDS Deep, and he didn't see anyone. Therefore, no one in the complex is left alive.

Then Schaeffer hopped into an HSU because he was going to starve to death. So, he hopped into the HSU. Fast forward, he got out, and survived in the complex on his own, finding food, water, and a way to move around. His mind was also wiped, so he knew nothing about the complex.

my point is, what if someone did survive in the complex after the infestation, like Schaeffer did, and they found food, water, and a way to move around, like Schaeffer has. Its completely possible. ESPECIALLY for someone with a higher security clearance.

[eternal talon]

the problem being, we have no evidence anyone else IS alive down there and a bit of evidence that says that there ISN'T anyone alive down there

there is no evidence to even suggest that there is anyone else down there

not at all

[finite vine]

well you cant assume that everyone in the complex died. its an irrational assumption.

[eternal talon]

could i be wrong? sure. but that doesn't magically make it either likely, or actually true

[finite vine]

yes, I agree

[eternal talon]

the easiest solution is oftentimes the best one.

and it is far more likely imho that there is nobody other than Schaeffer alive down there

because that's the info we have

[finite vine]

but its not the right one? especially if you are going to use this assumption to form other theories. (the theory that the warden is only an AI because everyone is dead)

[eternal talon]

the could add somebody else alive down there,

i'm not doubting that,

but i'm saying we have no evidence, not even enough to begin to theorize about other people being alive down there

unlike the allens were we have things that are unexplained and hint at the possibility, nothing at all suggests there being anyone else alive down there.

[eternal talon]

i didn't say he's an ai because everyone is dead, i said he's an ai because he's a bloody ai

by definition, a DI is an AI.

[finite vine]

^

[eternal talon]

which is true in the context of that log

lack of evidence to suggest otherwise doesn't mean something is automatically true.

because there is no evidence to support it either

this argument is pointless, really.

[finite vine]

I said that its possible that the warden might be a group of scientists/ people

and you disagreed because you know for sure that everyone is dead.

[eternal talon]

correct. again, it's a matter of evidence. we have no evidence to support anyone being alive, and we have a couple logs of schaeffer not finding anyone alive

[finite vine]

you are contradicting yourself. "lack of evidence to suggest otherwise doesn't mean something is automatically true."

[eternal talon]

because there is NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT EITHER

as i said

we have logs showing schaeffer not being able to find anyone alive

do you have any logs of anyone else being alive?

end of story.

[finite vine]

dude

you literally just said that "we have no evidence to support anyone being alive, and we have a couple logs of schaeffer not finding anyone alive"

you are saying that no one is alive because there is no evidence of anyone being alive.

[eternal talon]

yes.

[finite vine]

good. before that statement you made, you said "lack of evidence to suggest otherwise doesn't mean something is automatically true."

[eternal talon]

???

the other part of that is "because there is no evidence to support it either"

it was a full statement

[finite vine]

ok, im saying, that just because there is no evidence against it, does not mean that it is true.

you disagree

[eternal talon]

??? we are saying the same thing then, i don't know why you are arguing.

we have no evidence anyone else is alive, it's that simple

[finite vine]

^

you literally just said that just because there is no evidence of people being alive in the complex, means that everyone HAS to be dead.

[eternal talon]

with the evidence that that's what schaeffer's log implies, that even with searching for months, he found nobody

it isn't a baseless statement, i'm sure you know.

[finite vine]

its a false statement. just because something has no evidence against it does not mean its true, because evidence can be uncovered to prove it wrong in the future. <--- this statement was honestly kinda wrong by me lmao. not gonna change it though, for context purposes.

[eternal talon]

skyrope, we aren't in the future. we have evidence to support it. we have no evidence that anyone or any group of people are controlling the warden

there is a fundamental difference there.

i genuinely don't want to sit here for 45 minutes arguing semantics with you.

[finite vine]

ok

[eternal talon]

now wtf is going on in this log?

[finite vine]

I just don't understand how you can believe that everyone in the complex is 100% dead just because Schaeffer didn't find anyone in KDS deep.

[eternal talon]

clocks being slow for seemingly no reason

[eternal talon]

he wasn't only in kds deep, that was really only the very last place he was and given the way he said he would make his way there, it was likely quite a distance from wherever he was. and i've played half-life, traveling through vents take forevver

and i'm not taking it like a cookiecutter answer, i'm completely open to new characters being introduced that are still alive

but as far as we know RIGHT NOW, nobody but Schaeffer is.

[finite vine]

the reality is that you cant disprove the fact that there are others alive in the complex besides Schaeffer.

[eternal talon]

you can't prove it either.

[finite vine]

I would assume time dilation.

[eternal talon]

this is on earth

[finite vine]

exactly. so why are you assuming that everyone is dead?

[eternal talon]

because schaeffer found nobody alive during his journey to the HSU vault

[finite vine]

yea I know, I honestly don't know what else it would be.

[eternal talon]

i feel like i've said the same sentince like 30 times now

[finite vine]

ok so I should assume everyone in the complex is dead until evidence states otherwise, right? so any theories that I think of cannot have anything to do with others being alive in the complex (other than Schaeffer).

[eternal talon]

yes, that is how evidence works

you can theorize about them,

anybody can theorize about anything

it's just not really worth considering imo

[finite vine]

when you are looking at a theory, you try do disprove it, not prove it.

ex. when your trying to prove your theory of everyone in the complex being dead, instead of largely focusing on evidence to prove it, also focus on evidence to disprove it.

[eternal talon]

honestly it's a 50/50 in terms of supporting a theory and looking into it's likelyhood

for me

[finite vine]

time dilation can occur from a large gravitational mass, or a large mass of energy.

so there could be a large mass of energy that is influencing the clocks.

[small bobcat]

it probably was your mom

[finite vine]

large mass of energy (your mom)

[scenic wagon]

From the Ambassador newsletter sent the tenth, did Schaefer’s report read his address was in Saint Louis, Missouri for anyone else?

[eternal talon]

could this mass of energy be the same as that that created the explosion in the inner?

[finite vine]

yea that's what I was thinking. I don't really know what else it would be.

I don't really know much about it though. Like what is the radius of influence? what is the falloff? how much energy would it have to be? (Its probably possible to calculate that) how deep is it? why is it only affecting things on that certain level (if the level being affected is the lowest level of the complex, then that would make a little sense.)

[eternal talon]

well, it did this.. so...

the logs describe it completely annihilating everything the blast-wave went through

bx is 1115m

that's probably around FIVE HUNDRED METERS between this and the inner, where the blast originated (since garganta only goes to about 1.5k and the inner is deeper than even that)

what is the HIGHEST place we see evidence of the blast?

[solar nova]

Check depths for R4A1, R4C1, R4B3, and R5C2.

Also, the rundown holes reach the surface, so lmao.

[eternal talon]

i never played 4 and 5

why you gotta be so mean

[solar nova]

?

Bro, you literally phrased it as a question, and I answered.

No idea where "meanness" is being read into this.

[eternal talon]

you said "the rundown holes reach the surface, so lmao"

[solar nova]

Yeah?

[eternal talon]

how is it funny that i didn't know?

[solar nova]

W8, where do you think we drop from?

It's raining in the drop screen.

[eternal talon]

the surface

yeah

there also used to be jungle n' stuff

it's always been the surface

[lament temple]

jungle environment confirmed R7?

[eternal talon]

no

i'm talking years and years ago

before they changed the drop down a bit

[solar nova]

Yeah, so the energy surge seems to have reached the surface based on the existence of the rundown holes.

[eternal talon]

but still , it looks like a purpose made tunnel

[solar nova]

Maybe.

[eternal talon]

not a blast hole

at least not the top bit, at all

the bottom bits underground yeah

[solar nova]

I think we have a log about these, though, "changes"?

[eternal talon]

but not the top

[solar nova]

Where Lockwood says the holes have reached the surface in various spots.

The energy surge created multiple blast tunnels to the surface. These tunnels are dangerous and unpredictable, so we will be sealing them off while inspections and repairs are conducted. Should you find a shaft that has not been surveyed, make sure you inform a Project Insight coordinator so the area can be secured and sealed off.

So, it seems like at least some of these tunnels might be repurposed for BIOCOM.

[astral grove]

were the voice recordings added in 6.5?

[native flower]

interesting we were so close to schaeffer in dx

[ember bluff]

more clear recording of the lines from the recording i mentioned yesterday

no people talking over it

[hollow burrow]

I haven't been in any rundowns before rundown 6, could some catch me up? No spoilers past c1(where I'm at)preferably.

[dim scroll]

pinned messages

#gtfo-lore message

This message roughly summarizes what we know from R1 to R5

[hollow burrow]

Cool, thanks alot!

[quick grove]

What the fuck

[dull crest]

So, what have we learned?

[dim scroll]

Mixed voice clips

Though you can separate them using machine-learning

[quick grove]

Ah okay

[dim scroll]

You mean in term of inner blast ?

[quick grove]

Can anyone just give me the audio clip of schaeffer talking to the mimic again

[dim scroll]

As far as i remember there is one on R4D2

which is at 1031 m

There is on R5A2 as well

[quick grove]

??

[dim scroll]

498m

[quick grove]

?

[harsh saffron]

There is a new employee named Geordie McInnery and that is my new favourite name in the game

[rich blaze]

Gianna Hilton died :(

Also we now know that Garganta is off the Coast

and not in the actual peninsula

[quick grove]

Yes

[agile plinth]

a moment

here

that's the original one

if you scroll down you'll see 3 transcriptions

and a version that was edited for clarity

[hybrid depot]

Wait what was Schaeffer talking about in that one log

When je was saying the names of prisoners

[final sentinel]

Dead ppl i think

[hybrid depot]

Wat

Last I checked woods and the gang was alive

[turbid rivet]

Wait what were the names?

[hybrid depot]

Idk

[turbid rivet]

||do you think they were the names on the white board on CX? In that kinda hidden room?||

[hybrid depot]

Idk, I was playing hungry shark when the log was playing

Also no need to censor here afaik

[turbid rivet]

I didn’t know so I was just making sure because I got yelled at before

[serene fractal]

I've been kinda in and out of chat but to summarize what I've learned the past day or two;

Whatever met (attacked?) Schafer is almost certainly part machine.

Schafer got into an HSU to avoid starvation.

Certain frequencies of sound can interrupt whatever hold the WARDEN has on operatives.

And this game is pretty neat :)

[turbid rivet]

I think we already knew that last part

[hybrid depot]

Schaefer was talking to willem dafoe

[turbid rivet]

One sec ima see if I can find the whiteboard in a play through or something

[serene fractal]

There's a screenshot waaaay up in the chat somewhere

[final sentinel]

I believe I can directly remember one or two of the names being the same

[serene fractal]

Courtesy of Rayalot

[turbid rivet]

I just searched through videos of people passing by this screenshot for the past ten minutes

And didn’t think to just LOOK IN THE FLIPIN CHAT

S OH SLAUXD X

Oh also I just saw in some videos that there are undecayed dead (very dead) sleepers around the room we find the whiteboard in.

They’re all cut in half

[rich blaze]

Yes, there's their Intestines and Colon hanging out

[final sentinel]

And…. eggs?

The glowy thingers

[turbid rivet]

Now I don’t know much about split apart human intestines

But those kinda still look like human intestines

I had assumed they would have changed to fit the giant ass mouth thing but idk

[final sentinel]

Uhhmm

That mouth thing?

[turbid rivet]

I’m tired rn

[final sentinel]

We’re pretty sure thats the esophagus and stomach

Acting as a bludgeoning weapon

[turbid rivet]

Wait doesn’t it have teeth tho?

[final sentinel]

Not the thing that licks u

[turbid rivet]

Weird I could’ve sworn I saw teeth on the licker(idk if you guys have a better name for it)

[final sentinel]

And even if it did, well, have u seen their faces? They could have a few extra teeth down there

[turbid rivet]

True

[dull crest]

👀