#gtfo-lore

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dim scroll
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Remember the theories about tigrix

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lmao

gilded vine
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I love reading "Steam update available"

dim scroll
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me as well

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😳

subtle verge
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Give us Rascal pics in #pet-pics for inspiration pls.

analog frigate
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yes

gilded vine
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Yes

dim scroll
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i just want more lore

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bruh

gilded vine
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I want more

frail pollen
subtle verge
frail pollen
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Here's another for you

dull crest
harsh saffron
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thats ok, you even said its not ext related ^^

eternal talon
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wtf it's at 12

harsh saffron
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indeed

frail pollen
eternal talon
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what was running through your mind when we got to the really exotic stuff like looking at star charts, & ancient 4,000 year old Mayan medical text documents?

eternal talon
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because it wouldn't slow down then speed up between 10, 11, & 12

harsh saffron
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100% random I'm sure PirateSimon

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would be funny

dim scroll
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😳

frail pollen
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It mostly reminds me of my time being on your side just so eager for info and trying to piece together clues

eternal talon
smoky sigil
subtle verge
eternal talon
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inb4 it randomly jumps to 666 for an hour then back to 12

smoky sigil
eternal talon
# smoky sigil that would be top tier trolling

i learned from the best back when i used to play the MMO "Guns of Icarus". i was a top-tier shitposter for the Anglean Republic.
my specialty was memes using nothing but stills of the 1982 classic "THE THING" by john carpenter.

celest pagoda
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Did the WRDN bot skip 10 and 11?

dim scroll
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Nah

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They appeared for a short time

celest pagoda
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Ah ok

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My only guess as to the WRDN bots purpose is to tease stats for R5, which had 13 expeditions. Maybe it'll reset, count stats for r6, and then we'll get something leak wise.

For example, the 12 could mean 12/13 expedition stats recorded. This is a stretch though.

harsh saffron
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I like that and at least it has a direct connection to the bot with the twitter account

agile plinth
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it seems possible but then it would be weird how expedition 10 and 11 have very little data

solar carbon
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Momma flaps

eternal talon
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@solar carbon said mother might make fog

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looks sorta like the wheezer from dead space

solar carbon
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After spawning babies usually they fill the area with really thick fog

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It cant be infectious

eternal talon
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yeah, but it doesn't last. it goes away after the mother dies

solar carbon
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And they usually use their flaps a bit when they do it I think ive got a gif of it

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I do not

harsh saffron
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13

agile plinth
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interesting

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what if this becomes like

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a curve

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I've had the idea of it being something like signal strength increasing and decreasing with the new planet orbiting

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far fetched but possible

harsh saffron
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sounds fun at the very least

dull crest
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Friday the 13th...

final sentinel
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uhhhhhh

eternal talon
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it went up agaiN!

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@analog frigate it's at 13!

harsh saffron
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he knows ^^

eternal talon
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how you know?

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he know?

subtle verge
final sentinel
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uhhh there's a friday the 13 in two months

eternal talon
subtle verge
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At least it's not a 23-19.

dull crest
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is it Tuesday. Darnit. Abort!

eternal talon
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check your calendar

final sentinel
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and the 15th

harsh saffron
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go back to 12

final sentinel
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OH

celest pagoda
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YOOOO

dull crest
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jeffgoldblum.gif

harsh saffron
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perfect time for some chores around the house until im older

subtle verge
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I think the bot overloaded. Lmao.

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Not getting responses anymore.

eternal talon
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it's completely broken

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lol

final sentinel
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so acquire objective stack could be new objectives?

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like new missions!

celest pagoda
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H Y P E. AAAAA

subtle verge
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I only got to the numerical age question before it stopped replying.

final sentinel
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yeah but still

harsh saffron
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same

final sentinel
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seems like the next set of missions

pale gull
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Well it got to 13

subtle verge
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Which, by the way: numerical age is something like: "25 years, 11 months, 26 days"

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Not just "25" or "26" or whatever.

final sentinel
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oh god really

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darn

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i did 19 whoops

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was too excited

celest pagoda
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Same lol

pale gull
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It has all of the resources of the facility

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But can not handle discord messages lol

final sentinel
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i heard something about a pdf\

dull crest
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Oh my

eternal talon
dull crest
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You killed it!

celest pagoda
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Guys we beat the Warden

final sentinel
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guys we killed the Warden

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is this canon?

eternal talon
subtle verge
eternal talon
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LONG LIVE SCHAEFFER

final sentinel
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like some people got through the bot commands and got a pdf

pale gull
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Final boss killed boys

celest pagoda
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RESIST

final sentinel
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something ab it in general

eternal talon
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it's at 14

subtle verge
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"Player Participation Agreement", huh?

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OOOOH it's a EULA.

rare scaffold
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We beat the game woooooooo

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🤣

dull crest
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It is back!

subtle verge
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Okay, that's pretty cool. The TL;DR of the document is: "We may want to use your voice in our game, and you can't be compensated for it because you're volunteering."

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A chance to be a part of the game, eh? Neat.

pale gull
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Well I’m too young for it

final sentinel
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dis kewl!

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do we wanna compile the voicelines?

agile plinth
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i would volunteer but i would die if i heard my voice in a recording xd

eternal talon
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hahaha

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i doubt anybody would know it would be you

final sentinel
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what if this is the mimic??

celest pagoda
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YALL. What if these lines will be used for the mimic? Voices that don't belong to it, saying things that dont connect

final sentinel
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XD

eternal talon
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mine is "Of course they're reading our letters."

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so i doubt it

sonic citrus
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I reckon its the mimic

hot burrow
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👀

sonic citrus
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"There’s something else in here. I hear it, footsteps in the tunnels. In the walls, I hear it. Growling but not… not like one of the creatures. It… it tries to talk. To anyone, to no one but it’s using a voice that… that doesn’t belong to it. The words make no sense."

subtle verge
sonic citrus
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It fits so well, right?

rare scaffold
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That would be so cooool

subtle verge
celest pagoda
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Dude if I heard my own voice trying to call out to me my heart would drop into my stomach at mach 12

final sentinel
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bruh that's actually terrifying

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oh we're at 15

hot burrow
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I bet we are going to get something when it hits 100

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Or 50

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Or some spot

final sentinel
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or 69

celest pagoda
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Imagine the voice shifting every sentence. A stitched together string of nonsense.

eternal talon
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i just submitted mine

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this shit's whack

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i LOVE IT

celest pagoda
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Based on if we are right or not, another ominous name for the mimic could be "the community"

final sentinel
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*calamity flashbacks intensify

cursive moss
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👀 I see y'all are goin wild with the theories

final sentinel
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bro what if it's like an abombination of all the KSO's that we woke up in KDS Deep?

subtle verge
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The Mimic / Community / Collective...

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The Legion?

subtle verge
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Hmm.. that's too close to Project Legion, I think.

final sentinel
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Like wasn't the whole point of R5E1 to wake up a bunch of security officers?

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What if they all took the drop from the drop platform in E1, and then all were warped and twisted into some kind of amalgamate?

eternal talon
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KSOS

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like us

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soldiers

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not officers

hot burrow
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No. We opens the pods and stole all of their clothing

cursive moss
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Snatcher voice lines 👀

final sentinel
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with all of their memories and ideas merging into one collective conciousness

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which could be why there are so many lines

eternal talon
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or it could be an allen

final sentinel
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whats an allen >:)

eternal talon
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a type of wrench

final sentinel
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an alien seems possibe

hot burrow
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Aliens vs prisoners

eternal talon
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we aren't aliens

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we are KSOs. we know the lore for the poisoners quite well

final sentinel
eternal talon
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yes

final sentinel
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oh i guess we know that

eternal talon
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read pins

final sentinel
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XD mb

eternal talon
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check the "for dummies" doc

final sentinel
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D:

eternal talon
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a part of a super soldier program

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not your "super strong" super soldier

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kinda thing,

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but more super as in never disobeys

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has great combat skill,

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like a private army of deathly loyal subjects.

rare scaffold
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What if??

eternal talon
rare scaffold
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This shit is coool af

final sentinel
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did we have any mention of the mimic before KDS Deep?

eternal talon
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and they aren't really full sentinces

harsh saffron
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nope, thats new with r6

final sentinel
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or was it just R6C2

eternal talon
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or atleast mine wasn't.

final sentinel
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okokok

harsh saffron
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mine is a full sentence, 2 even

final sentinel
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i don't think they have to be full sentences

eternal talon
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just c2

final sentinel
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what if it's just rambling at you

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like 5 lines at once

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GTFO ASMR

eternal talon
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it would help if there were more context to the lines

rare scaffold
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Mine was a full sentence, with an added fragment

eternal talon
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"of course they're reading our letters" could be spoken many ways

subtle verge
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I had to activate my RP voice, and I just read the script.

final sentinel
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yeah i was gonna rp but OBS broke my mic

rare scaffold
analog frigate
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i legally can't sadly

final sentinel
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so now it sounds like im coming from a tape recorder

harsh saffron
rare scaffold
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Gonna try and record it to sound as otganic as possible

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Try and remove mic noise lol

analog frigate
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it will be funny to hear punk's voice all of a sudden from the dark though

final sentinel
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i mean, if it is an amalgamate

subtle verge
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Wait, did we all get different prompts?

final sentinel
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yah

subtle verge
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Okay, that's dope.

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I got "When I say run, you run."

eternal talon
rare scaffold
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"I'll meet you there at seven. Ish"

final sentinel
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i got "he is in isolation, no one gets to see him"

rare scaffold
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Spookeh

final sentinel
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wait who was the guy in lore who got isolated

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i know there were a few

analog frigate
subtle verge
final sentinel
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WOOOOO

analog frigate
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yeah

final sentinel
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also

analog frigate
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well sadly i won't be able to do any

eternal talon
analog frigate
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but still cool nonetheless

harsh saffron
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neat

final sentinel
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Calle randomly dropped the date Friday the 13th before the bot thing happened

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and May has a Friday the 13th

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coincidence?

rare scaffold
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Maybe

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But maybe not👀

final sentinel
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yeah copium

subtle verge
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Calle has also dropped song lyrics that were completely unrelated. Don't trust him blindly.

analog frigate
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hopefully he is at least having fun by messing with us

final sentinel
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oh lol ok

harsh saffron
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I trust Calle blindly WoodsPraise

final sentinel
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calle throwing us all

sonic citrus
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"We have a place in Mexico."

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seems a little more conversational than the other prompts

rare scaffold
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Definitely seeing some repeats of quotes

final sentinel
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yeah mine definitely came from a guard

rare scaffold
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Which makes sense, theyd want multiple takes on them

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Or just multiple versions

final sentinel
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yeah so they can layer them maybe?

rare scaffold
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Ooooooo

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Good point

final sentinel
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i'd LOVE that

sonic citrus
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they could do some cool stuff with a huge quantity of voice clips

celest pagoda
# eternal talon in what context?

Kinda how we give names to all the creatures. We call the one voiced by the community "the community"

Also because it just sounds kinda ominous

harsh saffron
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Legion

rare scaffold
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"The people"

brave schooner
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I got "That's very mysterious"

Maybe a scientist? Or snarky prisioner?

rare scaffold
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Very hyped to see these get used

brave schooner
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I fully expect these lines to be those lines you see when you select a floor

subtle verge
celest pagoda
harsh saffron
brave schooner
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"What would the WARDEN want with these anyway...
"That's very mysterious"
"And It's ATTRACTING the damn sleepers"
"Let's just get out of here already"

brave schooner
harsh saffron
analog frigate
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they all seem like KSO small talk

eternal talon
final sentinel
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i mean maybe

analog frigate
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who knows

subtle verge
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Could also be the workers.

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Miners, techs, etc.

final sentinel
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yeah i mean, mimic coulda gotten them too

analog frigate
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like worker audio files?

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diary stuff?

eternal talon
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remember, KSOs during biocom were basically drones

subtle verge
analog frigate
subtle verge
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I'm thinking it's a mix of audio logs.

analog frigate
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and small talk

subtle verge
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Because right there is a reference about the Warden.

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So it could just be collective conversations over a long strand of time?

analog frigate
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seems like it

harsh saffron
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gtfo visual novel with voice acting

eternal talon
eternal talon
pale gull
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A lot of voice work for this next one

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Oh and we’re on 15 now

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God these go by fast

final sentinel
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ok someone might have noticed this before but in the intro, it says "Entry point: Section 5, area E1

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putting in media

harsh saffron
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yeah, for R5 it was
Rundown protocol 4.5 completed. Access from section R4E1 established.

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oh you mean that intro, nvm ^^

final sentinel
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kewl kewl, just checking

full hull
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THATS WHAT IT WAS A COUNTDOWN FOR

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HOLY SHIT

full oar
harsh saffron
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no idea I started in R3

full oar
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hmm

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does anyone at all know

hot burrow
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Just check an R1 video and see

full oar
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bruh ok

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section point 4 B3

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wait was there a 3rd beta

finite vine
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for example, Dauda, right?

analog frigate
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technically he wasn't legion

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after he got out his HSU we don't really know what happened

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but he became a KSO

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could've hypothetically gotten training from other KSOs

full oar
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well scaler speculated that when someone came along to recover and Dauda's memory was wiped they sent him into the legion program

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since there was nothing they could do

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they put him into legion

subtle verge
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I don't think we have a date stamp for the prisoner audio logs, do we?

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Double checking.

full oar
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i dont think so

harsh saffron
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nope

finite vine
full oar
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remiund me what a KSO is

analog frigate
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he is "mind controlled"

finite vine
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really?

analog frigate
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only KSOs are known to have that property

subtle verge
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But we don't have evidence to that claim, do we?

full oar
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legion program

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hsu mind wiping

analog frigate
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just doing what the warden wants

subtle verge
analog frigate
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there are a decent lot of similarities that indicate that he is a KSO

finite vine
empty needle
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Just wanted to say that the quotes are repeating -- we have multiples of the same one already... Honestly I really think it's going to be actual voices instead of just text on the Interrupted Transmissions (in mission info)

Putting this here, for reference
#general message

pale gull
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The best ones become the voice ingame

ember bluff
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I would assume so

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Or why the mp3 file

analog frigate
empty needle
full oar
analog frigate
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no different in what he does from the other 3

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just does what the warden wants

full oar
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wait nvm it is there

finite vine
full oar
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im just blind

empty needle
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all good

analog frigate
finite vine
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how so

analog frigate
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they are KSOs from the Legion program

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we know that Legion members are sorta like that

finite vine
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or schaeffer

full oar
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well we know schaeffer is a prisoner like us

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(the main characters)

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who are from legion

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verified from the interview audio logs we found in r5 i think

analog frigate
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he seems like a KSO when accounting for the similarities with the other 3, which are Legion

full oar
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but are legion KSO

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or do they have a seperate thing

analog frigate
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and we know that Legion members are basically brainwashed

finite vine
solar nova
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I still consider KSOs to be any operative under BIOCOM.

analog frigate
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defacto making him seemingly be a KSO of some kind

analog frigate
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which is doing what the warden wants

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he just does it

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like the other three

subtle verge
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But here's my wrench to throw into that idea, @analog frigate : We don't know enough about Project Legion to know how they get to the point of 'mind control.' As far as we're aware, the only thing that the HSUs do is wipe long-term memory. Now, we can assume and speculate that they go through a kind of psychotherapy or some kind of REM/Dream-like influence in the HSUs, but we don't know that.

The only thing we know about Dauda is that he was a scientist/researcher, and that he threw himself into an HSU to get away from the Sleepers.

full oar
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exactly

finite vine
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it seems like the reason they have to do what the warden tells them to do is because if they dont, they will be left in the complex to die

analog frigate
analog frigate
pale gull
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I wonder if the Boys get any recreation time

analog frigate
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not in-game chatter

finite vine
analog frigate
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true, but lorewise, the 4 do

finite vine
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true, but not necessarily. there are logs of KSO's acting like robots, and Bishop (while a KSO) acting like a robot, but that was way before WRDN took over.

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like during the 2050's

subtle verge
finite vine
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so no "mind control" is required. at least to the extent of the robot kso from the closet log

subtle verge
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I'm not saying there's no chance that Dauda also isn't one, but just that we have no history outside of the logs we do have.

analog frigate
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reminds me like a concept of those "implants" in prey

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could be something like that

finite vine
subtle verge
finite vine
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its hit or miss because we dont even know what kind of firearm training came with project Legion

subtle verge
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I'd bet money that it would be a more elite version of military training, as the whole project is theorized (I don't think we've proven this) as we know it to build that ultimate PMC force.

finite vine
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Project Legion?

subtle verge
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Yessir.

finite vine
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yea I could see that.

full oar
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they can probably shoot so well from having the muscle memory

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its like coming back to something you havent done in ages

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you either pick it up again quickly or you just dont

subtle verge
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Right, and I've made that distinction before with all but Dauda however many weeks ago that I last hyper-focused this topic, but I do think that over time Dauda would have picked up on it, too.

full oar
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i mean dauda probably has some weapon experience already since he was on the run being hunted by other people

analog frigate
full oar
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actually

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that would make sense lore wise

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and give the devs a reason to add a weapon training ground

subtle verge
finite vine
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also there is the fact that we cant really know if dauda is good at shooting, because we are the actual players

subtle verge
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I mean it's possible, I suppose.

subtle verge
solar nova
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Plenty of leniency.

subtle verge
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It'd be like giving a football to a professional NASCAR driver and telling him to score against England; they don't really mix together too well, you know?

subtle verge
final sentinel
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what if the mimic is like DS3 mimic

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disguised as locker

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:3

ember bluff
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If it uses voice lines I like to think of it like the doggo scp

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To lure in prey

hot burrow
full oar
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ye i found that out

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but what was it for like the beta and alpha now

hot burrow
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same thing

full oar
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ok

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for the alpha it shouldve said entry point surface or where legion was originally started in garganta

solar carbon
hot burrow
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yes

languid hatch
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on the santonian website, [EBDT-B55-VFS.LOG] under corrupted, they underestimated, ". . . Unlike previous pandemics (Hook, COVID19 – 21, Respo-Z2), . . .". I find it mildly amusing that 2 years is an underestimate, but could it be fixed?

eternal talon
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you don't need to use spoiler tags in here

languid hatch
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well, I didn't want to ruin it for someone who hadn't seen it

subtle verge
languid hatch
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it's 2022

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but it says 19-21

subtle verge
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That's just the classification. The log is insinuating that there were 2 other strains of Covid pandemic that has happened since the current global pandemic.

languid hatch
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well lets hope it isn't too accurate

subtle verge
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I know that Covid-19 means coronavirus from 2019, but in the event I'm wrong, the pandemic did have a vaccination by 2021, anyway.

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Actually now that I think about it, it makes sense for the current pandemic to be labelled C19-21. Forget my previous statements.

quick grove
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Lol

rare scaffold
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The r6A1 log talking about the namV virus definitely feels familiar haha

brazen falcon
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What's up with Schaeffer? Is he still in Complex, hiding from warden? And what is the intelligent creature he found?

dim scroll
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No idea + supposedly a creature that mimicries

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No idea about what it is & its origin

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Schaeffer might be alive but there's nothing that can confirm it

brazen falcon
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Okay, cool

analog frigate
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there really isn't much of a known way to get out besides the main shaft, but that is only doable with the elevator which only the warden is known to control

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the "mimic" is mostly unknown but there are some theories on its origin

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a supposed politician, or just someone in power in yucatan, Gustavo wanted some bodies burned

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iirc the reason was some dirty work by KDS and SMC

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taking into account the description of it (sort of ash covering it, pale skin, multiple bodies fused into one) it could be a mutated pile of bodies fused into one from all those burned bodies

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but that's still a theory and there isn't much proof

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it's mimicry is unknown and how it can "regenerate" by fusing its body parts is also unknown

subtle verge
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I'm 99.999999% sure that Schaeffer is alive, because of his dialogue in R6A1; he's directly speaking to us.

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It would be weird if he just left a message that played directly when a door was opened.

swift oasis
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indeed

karmic ore
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just wondering

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Have any of you guys found out there's two seperate logs for the room before matter wave?

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(Schaeffer ranting)

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Just making sure im not the only one to stumble on this.

harsh saffron
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yeah thats one of 2 logs that has multiple variations, the audio in B1 also has 2 variations but only varies slightly

karmic ore
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yea i assumed they made it that way so people could have replay ablility

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but it doesnt really matter seeing how they talk about the same things

harsh saffron
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would have been fun if they actually had different messages but then again, would be pretty annoying to get the other versions by reloading over and over ^^

karmic ore
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ye ^

eternal talon
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How likely is it the Durant team is dead on Destination?

harsh saffron
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Basically depends how much time passed between the time bishop returned alone and the events of the game. I would assume they would all die sooner or later with no way back and no way to resupply.

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If they don't get killed by their attackers first

eternal talon
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they brought requisitions with them though, didn't they?

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i know they brought plants, but they died during the trip

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and there is equipment and even buildings on destination

harsh saffron
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I mean yeah, but I doubt their supplies would last multiple decades. So, if for example the game takes place in 2080 or something, they should have run out of supplies at some point

eternal talon
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that depends also, i suppose

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they could have brought seeds, or other things to make it relatively infinite

harsh saffron
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True but the second log made it sound like they would die within the next few weeks anyway, being picked of one by one

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so farming would probably not be an option

eternal talon
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do sleepers attack structures?

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they attack doors because they see people go through them i mean,

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but if they make an entirely enclosed structure

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surely they could have found a way to make it safe?

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given the multiple forward base locations (b1 & d1), surely they would have encountered the floaters before the cutoff of communications

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i'm not saying it's likely, but there might be a chance

harsh saffron
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I always assumed they were attacked by some things that can teleport, because Durant makes it clear there was no actual way they could move around normally and that they are on the run.

eternal talon
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also i suppose would be relavant, do we know how nam-v spreads? is it airborn?

eternal talon
harsh saffron
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they smell their fear

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no idea ^^

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He says its possible they use hunting techniques, so I would assume tracking is something they are capable of

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Oh and I forgot Durant himself says that they will die there for sure, and I would trust his word on that

eternal talon
#

what were they doing with multiple forward bases out there anyway?

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i thought jumping was inconsistant

harsh saffron
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Could have been build by later expeditions when they figured out how to stabilise the jumps, if they ever did

subtle verge
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Not to mention it's been years upon years since they made that jump.

toxic wagon
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Curious. Is there in the lore anywhere about other prisoners that consist of female ones?

finite vine
subtle verge
finite vine
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if they manifest through solid surfaces, that makes it even easier for them to take them alive.

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by teleporting

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and if the planet does experience time dilation, then who knows how long bishop was there for.

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probably months.

subtle verge
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Correction: I misremembered the log.

"They plucked [name] out of the center of us."

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I respect what you're getting at, but it would make zero sense from what we can visually see and interpret in-game.

finite vine
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well I mean we don’t even know if the creatures that were attacking them were flyers or not.

subtle verge
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No, but we can make an incredibly educated guess with how we're attacked in the same rough location they were first attacked.

finite vine
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ok that’s true. but remember the log that described the miner that encountered a entity deep down in the mine? the one that teleported?

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there are most likely other creatures

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that can teleport

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idk. it seems possible. especially if bishop was there for months before escaping. I would first assume that they died there though.

subtle verge
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just going by what we have experienced thus far. On EF-01 we've only experienced the floaters and the kraken, and as far as we can tell, at least to my knowledge, there aren't any other entities on the planet aside from those.

And yeah, I can see that being the case. Even so, let's say they were captured, I guarantee that they are dead due to lack of food and water, let alone anything their captors would potentially put them through.

eternal talon
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woah woah woah

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i doubt the allens took them as hostages

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this is 65 million years after they fled to earth

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there is no way there are any left alive on destination, and i would bet, at all

finite vine
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well those are very bold assumptions ngl

eternal talon
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  1. why would they have fled to earth if they could still live on destination
  2. why do we encounter no ruins if they are still there
    3)if they didn't flee, why did they send the meteor
subtle verge
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Even if they were captured, I'd bet they were tasty morsels for the young. Lmao.

eternal talon
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please clarify, are you talking about the sleepers, or the allens?

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i doubt the sleepers would take "hostages"

finite vine
eternal talon
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they don't seem to have any higher thought other than kill/grow the hive

finite vine
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the things that attacked durants group.

subtle verge
eternal talon
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the floaty bois (aliens) or ancient aliens (allens)

finite vine
# eternal talon the floaty bois (aliens) or ancient aliens (allens)

don’t know. i don’t think it’s the floaty things, because durant would of said something about that. all he said was that people kept getting “plucked” away and taken. i’m thinking it has something to do with the teleporting creature in the log with the santonian miner.

eternal talon
#

the surface seems entirely barren other than plantlife, and the only actual life we've seen has been infected already.

finite vine
eternal talon
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granted, we've never seen the underground, but still

eternal talon
#

the thing we download in d1 is the genome to something, likely nam-v

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so i mean,

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it's not like it's not open to debate

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the planet is thoroughly fucked.

hot burrow
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what we talking about

eternal talon
#

else that just goes back to the point; why send the meteor in the first place if it wasn't

eternal talon
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before we were talking about if durant's team or anybody could still be alive during the time of the game

hot burrow
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ok

eternal talon
#

@finite vine what did i miss that led to you guys discussing there still being living allens on destination!?

finite vine
finite vine
eternal talon
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hunting is a rather instinctual thing though, any animal can and does do it, it's not neccessarily tied to intelligence

solar nova
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Well, it is associated with intelligence, it just doesn't require anything that advanced.

eternal talon
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we don't have a name for them in lore

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so allen is the best we really have

finite vine
eternal talon
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yeah allens

solar nova
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The fossil's architects.

eternal talon
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yes, allens.

solar nova
#

I wonder if the NFRAMEs are at all associated with the neonate and R3D1.

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Like, we're relieving the data load from "explicit NFRAME units" in R4C1, and we have a similar objective in R5C3 for secondary.

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So, it might be the case that this is essentially a maintenance objective associated with the neonate.

solar nova
finite vine
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well why not use a data sphere then?

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instead of going through all of the difficulty with the neonate

solar nova
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Not sure I understand.

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My postulation is that these are objectives associated with the neonate, whatever is being done with it, and that's why we're handling data spheres for these objectives.

finite vine
solar nova
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Yes, that's what I think might be happening.

finite vine
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ok yea I guess that’s possible

solar nova
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Would make it one among our long-term goals.

finite vine
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what do you think is inside the data spheres?

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and what kind of data might they store?

eternal talon
#

data cubes data spheres, what's next?

finite vine
solar nova
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The data pyramid 👁️ 👄 👁️

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Not sure. I assume it's something to do with the nFrame functionality.

finite vine
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do you think it’s biological like the neonate, or artificial like a normal data drive?

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like a human brain inside of it lol

solar nova
#

A really really big SSD.

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Might also just be a storage container for a fuckton of HDDs.

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Or any data storage, for that matter.

finite vine
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yea, i would agree to that. it just makes me wonder how data is transferred along a giant needle?

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well actually, there could be something inside the needle, like wires.

solar nova
#

It's probably something like a multi-tool.

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It might also be that it's entirely standard read/write, and anything associated with the neonate in specific is just handled by the neonate HSU itself.

solar nova
#

Unclear how reliably this can be interpreted, but does seem to indicate that "research data" related to the nFrames is something we're after.

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If it is related to the neonate, might be DIY research or we're gathering information that's a prerequisite for taking additional steps with the neonate.

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Could also just be unrelated, and the nFrame research data is just of some unclear value to the WRDN.

finite vine
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it probably has something to do with NAM-V

solar nova
#

Maybe, but the PGD is the first instance of something we've seen that's likely to have a clear relation to NAM-V.

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Everything else has been fairly nebulous in terms of what the WRDN's long-term goals are, including the purpose of downloading the PGD.

lament oxide
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the enemies were birthed from microwaved foil

severe prairie
eternal talon
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^

sudden jacinth
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nonono, the monsters were born from the gross mass of hair and shit in shower drains

dim scroll
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R4C2 was GLPs indeed

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15 of them

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R5B2 had GLPs as well iirc (9)

solar nova
#

KDS Deep, although it's not known explicitly.

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It seems like GLPs, OSIPs, and the Cryo cases are all resources for maintaining HSUs.

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It fits well into the rest of the objectives in R4 and R5, which seem to be largely related to activating KDS Deep.

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Power collection especially.

harsh kayak
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Let me know if this is the right channel to post this.
I'm working on a project involving all of the GTFO logs in order, and I'm on "Santonian industries" plus the wiki page for the logs. And R2 only has one log that's in pieces, according to the wiki. But Santonian industries list it as one log. This is fine and better for what I'm doing but there are also two other logs listed. Is this correct? they seem unrelated and from R5. I'm also not seeing a log on Santonian industries in R4 that's listed on the wiki. (02EX2.LOG) Am I missing something? or is the site not properly updated?
Any help is appreciated.

dim scroll
harsh kayak
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lol I dont want to spam both channels.

solar nova
dim scroll
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Seems i can't sort the logs by rundown

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😔

solar nova
harsh kayak
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thats why i was cross referencing with the wiki

solar nova
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You can search by rundown. I might also add more board views, I'd have to look at what views I can actually add.

dim scroll
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Weird

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i can add the rundown filtering but i can't use it for some reason

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clicking on it does nothing

harsh kayak
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thanks what im trying now.

dim scroll
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oh nvm

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i found

solar nova
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Yeah, use the chronological board.

dim scroll
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only 2 R2 Logs ?

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Was that intended by the devs ?

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(including the scattered one)

harsh kayak
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I think only one thats in chunks.

dim scroll
harsh kayak
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yes.

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that seems right.

dim scroll
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lmao the amount of logs in R5

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45

harsh kayak
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Have not started on R5

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but yeah

solar nova
#

Okay, I've added a Rundown board view.

harsh kayak
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oh shoot, you're a legend.

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So is the santonian industries site just not properly updated?

solar nova
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Wym?

harsh kayak
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its missing one for R4

solar nova
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Oh? Which one?

harsh kayak
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02EX2.LOG

solar nova
#

It might be renamed, some logs are, although I have no idea what to.

harsh kayak
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I did see some changed and used the screenshots on the wiki to find them but that one seems to just be missing.

solar nova
#

Hmmm, I might have to check them all over to see what's up.

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It's not regularly updated, though, they just add all of the logs at once every time they release a new rundown.

harsh kayak
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I thought as much

solar nova
#

It seems like they sometimes also add all of the logs ahead of time and flag them to display gibberish until they turn it off.

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I know they did that for the R5 logs.

harsh kayak
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archive006 is just blank on the site.

harsh saffron
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yeah the current rundown logs arent listed there before they switch to the next one

harsh kayak
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So I guees I'll just use the log database and the wiki mostly for my project.

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I want it to be in the order the players would find them from R2 to R3 and from A1 to A2.

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So the database is good. thanks.

harsh saffron
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yeah database is probably the easiest to navigate/order stuff definitely

harsh kayak
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definitely has the most useful info. only thing I'd like is the "Zone" the log was in.

harsh saffron
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I have a list for R5 and 6

harsh kayak
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I need all rundowns. but I could look up maps and do it that way I guess.

harsh saffron
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I can send you the lists for 5 and 6 if you want, older Rundowns should be easier anyway with the lower amount of logs

harsh kayak
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That would probably be pretty helpful.

solar nova
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I remember some log spots from R1-R3 as well.

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R4 gets complicated.

harsh kayak
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I'll take what help I can get.

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Does it?

solar nova
#

The amount of logs in R4 vs. anything prior is a massive difference.

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Maps also got bigger in general.

harsh kayak
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oof. I started playing late R5.

harsh saffron
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Hm I just realised I only started noting the zones halfway through 5, at least I got R6 completely covered ^^'

harsh kayak
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still appreciated

harsh kayak
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Alright, think I'm good now! Thanks for the help guys!

eternal talon
#

What on earth are you guys talking about with proteins, (glps?) And this santonian industries thing

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I don't know any of this

eternal talon
solar nova
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GLPs are a gather objective, along with PIDs, PDECs, OSIPs, HDDs, and plant samples.

eternal talon
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this website is just a logo

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i've been here before

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there is nothing on it

solar nova
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Click the logo

eternal talon
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"missing image"

solar nova
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Click the missing image

eternal talon
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a terminal\

solar nova
#

There you go, it's essentially an official log database.

#

As opposed to the wiki or Notion.

eternal talon
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logs command isn't working

solar nova
#

LIST

eternal talon
#

also why use this when we have the wiki and notion?

solar nova
#

CD [item]

eternal talon
#

what?

solar nova
#

We've had unique lore on it exactly once, but there's no reason to use it, it's just what somebody was running.

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It's also worth checking on every now and then for teasers.

eternal talon
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what is corrupted?

solar nova
#

R6 teasers.

eternal talon
#

teasers?

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it's been out for months

harsh saffron
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R6 logs before it was released

eternal talon
#

also didn't you say r6 logs weren't on it yet?

harsh saffron
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but also logs we dont even have in game

eternal talon
#

what is archive006

solar nova
#

Bro

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you have the website

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Just check

harsh saffron
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also corrupted had some logs from R5 extension before we even knew about the extension

eternal talon
#

what were you talking about protiens? what are glps?

harsh saffron
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Gather objective items in R5/6

solar nova
#

GLPs are a gather objective, along with PIDs, PDECs, OSIPs, HDDs, and plant samples.

eternal talon
#

that tells me literally nothing

solar nova
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I don't have the query information on-hand rn.

eternal talon
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i know pids are the id cards for staff

solar nova
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Partial decoders, OSIPs are a hormone.

eternal talon
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wait, what are hhds?

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those aren't cells

solar nova
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Hard Disk Drive

eternal talon
#

i know what it stands for

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i have one in my own pc

harsh saffron
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Glucagon peptide hormones (Glp)

eternal talon
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how do you know osips are a hormone?

#

where did this info come from?

solar nova
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Query information.

eternal talon
#

query what

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where

solar nova
#

You can query them on terminals.

eternal talon
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this was NOT on any of the logs

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i read them all

solar nova
#

But can't in R6 because there are none.

eternal talon
#

what are they for

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what do they do

harsh saffron
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stuff

solar nova
#

What specifically?

eternal talon
#

all

solar nova
#

GLPs and OSIPs, as well as the proteins in cryo cases, are probably used for HSUs, although what exactly is unclear. This is a speculative explanation, though.

PIDs and PDECs are used for security access.

HDDs contain information. They've been collected for research data and possibly for security access, we're not always told.

Plant samples are completely unknown, presumably collected for the sake of research.

eternal talon
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plant samples?

solar nova
#

Tubes that store some sort of plant, yes.

eternal talon
#

pic?

solar nova
eternal talon
#

where the fuck did all of this stuff come from?

harsh saffron
#

thats from R5

eternal talon
#

i skipped two rundowns and there are 50 new objective items?

solar nova
#

R4 and R5 added most of them.

#

Not actually very surprising when R2 and R3 had exactly one gather objective between them.

eternal talon
#

i played through all of r2 and 3, and i don't remember jack diddly

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i even have pics from e1 in one of them, but i can't for the life of me remember

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other than "stuff" with the neonate

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just a bunch of random missions

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did r2 even have the neonate in it?

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i remember the first bunch of missions were just a ton of big doors and waves

solar nova
#

You get the neonate at the end of R2E1, and then most of the stuff you do with it is in R3.

eternal talon
#

and i was messing around with the new weapons

solar nova
# solar nova

This is actually kind of important, Kovac was keeping these plant samples, not Insight.

eternal talon
#

why is that container spelt with a K?

solar nova
#

Which implies that Kovac was doing its own research in the floodways.

eternal talon
#

it's kovac not KOVAK

solar nova
#

I wonder if that's a typo...

harsh saffron
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tax fraud, change the company name to save money

analog frigate
#

both names are used

#

weirdly enough

solar nova
#

Odd.

#

I'll defer to the logs, I guess, which largely use Kovac.

#

It is weird that Kovac manufactured the container, though.

harsh saffron
#

maybe its from their research department and they just dont have a seperate logo

solar nova
#

That's my thought, but it's surprising it's not something Insight was in charge of.

subtle verge
#

Late to this conversation: but I do vaguely remember Kovac/Kovak had both spellings in logs.

#

Whether that was a typo oversight from 10c or not, or if my memory is just fucking with me, couldn't tell you.

warm bronze
#

could the plant sample tubes be the things that went through to alpha two with bishop and that group? the ones they said popped open on the way over?

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(from the log on alpha two, if I'm remembering it correctly that is)

eternal talon
#

1: how would it have gotten back to garganta for us to find it
2: why are there plants inside it instead of just dust, since they died several hundred times over during the jump to destination

warm bronze
#

well what I meant was they're like more of those, not the specific one yknow

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but they're more of the things they sent over with them to send over if they were to go again

finite vine
#

I thought it might of been something in the atmosphere that killed them. at least that’s what was said in the audio log from b1.

quick grove
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Yeah nah number 2 seems a bit to much man

eternal talon
#

A plant cannot last year's without water or sunlight.

eternal talon
#

Not explicitly, but he says it looks like they died months, even years ago

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And that he sprayed them with water just before the jump

eternal talon
eternal talon
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"The capsules must have popped open during transit, the plants have been exposed and withered away to nothing. Although the soil in the capsule is bone dry. I prepped these plants myself and when they left my lab, the soil was saturated. And even in this environment the plants should have survived weeks but they look like they died months even years ago. "

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"WITHERED AWAY TO NOTHING"

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"THE CAPSULES MUST HAVE POPPED OPEN DURING TRANSIT"

#

in this log they are currently, as in, right now, as in, during the log, sending KSOs to gather stuff they sent over the past few months

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so it isn't a misinterpretation, this is their transit from garganta to destination, not just around on the planet.

#

besides, they said they "SENT THE CAPSULE 3 DAYS AGO"

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so it didn't come with them at the time. so the only transit possible at all was during the jump

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so it literally couldn't have moved until they got there

eternal talon
# eternal talon What? No it didnt

cont: it said "there might be something in the atmosphere we're not picking up", but he also said that they were prepped for destination's environment. and it was only 3 days.

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even at the start of this he said "ALICE: MASK!" so it's safe to say he's talking about his crew.

faint perch
#

Strange lore

subtle verge
#

To keep it brief since we've had this discussion before: I believe that there's a time dilation issue due to the quantum tether cut. The pod was sent three earth days prior to Durant's team / KSOs to EF-01. When they make their jump three earth days later, the capsule is discovered to have popped open, the plants are bone dry, as if they had been exposed for months or years, and Durant believes it has something to do with the environment.

However: over the course of days for them, the scientists don't suffer the same fate as the plants. They don't appear to be and aren't desiccated after only mere days.

My theory is that the plants were on EF-01 for months or maybe even years because of time dilation. That being said, I have no proof other than word-of-mouth because we don't know how long Bishop was on EF-01 with its measure of time compared to the week on earth when he returned.

#

Hopefully there will be a log in the future that clarifies the difference of time, if there even is/was a difference in time, that Bishop survived on EF-01 compared to the week on earth.

eternal talon
#

though that raises the question: was the warden waiting years for our squad to return from b1 and d1?

#

and segments of c1 & a1

#

yeah bishop coming back in just a week makes literally zero sense according to reality. realistically, that should be 100% impossible

#

since time works both ways. it isn't time travel.

analog frigate
#

depends on the orbital eccentricity of the planet

#

while it's closer, time would run slower compared to earth

#

and vice versa when it's further

eternal talon
#

yes, but being there his return would be later relative to earth

analog frigate
#

it would be relative to the time dilation

#

which is already relative to the gravitational force around it, it being the planet

eternal talon
#

so time-wise he would return maybe months later depending on the scale of the gravitational force

analog frigate
#

not necessarily

eternal talon
#

in 3 days, durant says it is possible years passed for the plants

#

so for a week, it would be months for the people on earth awaiting bishops' return

analog frigate
#

yes but that could have been when the planet was closer to the source of the massive gravitational force

#

iirc we don't really know how long they were on the new planet

eternal talon
#

well, not quite

#

where did we know bishop came back after a week?

analog frigate
#

stokes' audio log

eternal talon
#

okay,

#

and we know the plants were there for 3 days

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before bishop left

#

and durant says it was months maybe years

#

so going with an estimate in the middle,

#

we can calculate how long bishop SHOULD have been gone for

analog frigate
#

that also depends on the method of transportation

#

since it's using some FTL method of travelling between the planets

eternal talon
#

yes, this is assuming the allens' teleportation technology is instant.

analog frigate
#

it doesn't matter if it's instant

#

it depends how

#

most FTL drives are instant

eternal talon
#

i meant like wormhole instant instant

#

zero time passed

analog frigate
#

but then they vary in how you actually reach the other point

eternal talon
#

not a ministucle ammount

analog frigate
#

also accounting for it being two set points, it easily can be instant

analog frigate
#

there are two that i remember

#

one which bends space to make it like a portal from the portal franchise

eternal talon
#

still, even with a generous estimate, there is no way bishop should have returned in only a week.

analog frigate
#

and then one which squishes spacetime and moves spacetime around you to transport you

#

both work differently

#

we have to proof of what type of FTL is used

eternal talon
#

when the minimum bounds Durant states is months (plural)

analog frigate
#

the effects can be different

eternal talon
#

so even if they were there for only a day, which they wouldn't be since durant had enough time to notice the tether being broken and unable to return, would be at least two weeks, maybe more earth time

analog frigate
#

again, it's all based on relativity

eternal talon
#

since 3 days for the plants is 2 months minimum, so 1 day would be almost two weeks

#

with the lowest possible estimate

analog frigate
#

something could have changed in between that time when they first transported the equipment and when bishop came back

#

we have no way of knowing currently

eternal talon
#

what about how we return?

analog frigate
#

we return the same way

eternal talon
#

time seemingly doesn't pass between us coming and going

#

the mission carries on as normal

analog frigate
#

again, there are unknown variables

#

we literally don't know

eternal talon
#

enemies gone stay gone, they don't repopulate the zones in our absence

#

i don't understand, what is the missing variable?

analog frigate
#

that's the issue

eternal talon
#

to do a rough calculation

analog frigate
#

we don't know

#

it exists

#

but we have nothing on it

eternal talon
#

@frail pollen can you ask Simon what kind of FTL the WMP the Allens created uses to transport us to Destination?

frail pollen
#

That you'll have to discover on your own

eternal talon
#

and how, pray-tell, would we do that?

analog frigate
#

there's definitely going to be enough to know what

#

just not yet

eternal talon
#

that's assuming r7 even continues r6's storyline. r4 didn't for r3.

analog frigate
#

it all continues the storyline

#

just not directly always

finite vine
finite vine
analog frigate
#

that as well yes

finite vine
# eternal talon so for a week, it would be months for the people on earth awaiting bishops' retu...

If durant said that he sent the plants 3 days ago, and once observed on Destination Alpha, they seemed like they were there for 2 months, and time dilation is occurring due to velocity (ignoring gravitational influences b/c we have no evidence of them right now) then:

Earth is moving at 0.999132% the speed of light relative to Destination Alpha.

If Bishop was gone for 7 days for observers on earth, then he was on Destination Alpha for about 168 days.

finite vine
analog frigate
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i suppose we should factor out any influence until we learn what the influence is

finite vine
eternal talon
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in that we could calculate how long we were gone for aswell

eternal talon
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the entire time they were there, was longer than the time they were there. a Schrodinger's plant.

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time dilation is confusing

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(it wasn't the atmosphere or something in it, it was time being fucky from the transit)

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for all intense and purposes, time is relatively "normal" until you jump back and forth

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while the time was slower on destination, on destination it was fine

lament oxide
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the gas masks were made in china

eternal talon
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but for earth it was fine until durant got there with his team and the times were no longer in sync

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idk it's fucking wierd

eternal talon
lament oxide
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i am just saying

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they are really shit

subtle verge
lament oxide
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O

eternal talon
lament oxide
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i remember i saw a mask on the cover art

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it made the guy look like he had shades on

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this one

eternal talon
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Mustard gas or sulfur mustard is a chemical compound belonging to a family of cytotoxic and blister agents known as mustard agents. The name mustard gas is widely used, but it is technically incorrect: the substance, when dispersed, is often not actually in a vapor, but is instead in the form of a fine mist of liquid droplets.Mustard gas has a l...

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just because you don't breathe it doesn't make it deadly.

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gas masks and propper suits cover 100% of the skin on a person

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the masks in game are just essentially fancy respirators.

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different designs different purposes.

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also why it doesn't protect you against the toxic fog.

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it's particulates are either too small for the masks' filters, or it is based on skin contact.

finite vine
# eternal talon idk it's fucking wierd

watch a youtube vid on time dilation, it will help it make more sense. time dilation is not time travel, time still passes normally for the plants on planet alpha and for the observer on earth, it’s just that time passes slower on earth relative to planet alpha.

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I did. I linked that one talking about interstellar

lean sorrel
# eternal talon also why it doesn't protect you against the toxic fog.

Mask filters are incapable of filtering that toxic fog at one point filters become toxicated they wont protect you after a certain amount has been filtered instead they Will poison the user thats why u need to change it (we use disinfect/station as a mean to clean the filters) ı hope we can use oxygen tanks at one point that would be cool

lean sorrel
subtle verge
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The toxic fog is definitely not blocked out by the filters, as the filters we use are only for dust and debris filtration so tiny shards and particulates don't shred our lungs. The toxic fog, some of us theorize, mostly has to do with skin contact, as it makes the most sense as to why it's removed when we wash ourselves with decontaminant/the decon machines. If it builds up enough, we start getting that liquidy breathing and start taking damage.

subtle verge
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PUGP9QcbTQBEJnSwfNI_XdY931Zoeq6fMu8bwn4LJas/edit?usp=sharing

Here's the multiple theories we've come up with as to what the fog could be.

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Thanks

eternal talon
subtle verge
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That one is... before my time.

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The only contribution I had to this was the cyanobacteria one.

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I think this was originally made back in R3-R4.

analog frigate
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the great R5 lore depression

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late r5 basically

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it's old but still correct about the topic it's written upon

eternal talon
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nam-v isn't the parasite. they are seperate tho

analog frigate
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at the time the logs to prove that didn't exist

subtle verge
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It is now March 20th, and I have a birthday request: more lore when

harsh saffron
shut mountain
frail pollen
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or do let them bite you. maybe you'll learn something new.

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you'll become spiderman sleeperman

smoky sigil
eternal talon
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happy birthday!

subtle verge
fervent lagoon
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it was used to unlock a terminal

solar nova
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The final log in Schaeffer's "Deeper" logs was locked behind that password.

worthy cove
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Wasnt that the c3 one

solar nova
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Yes.

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How do people feel about the objective type tags for repeating objectives?

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Currently, the tags are structured to loosely indicate what the optional objectives were, but would it be better as instead a general overview of the objectives being done?

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Different question, are the Rundown descriptions documented anywhere?

thorn fossil
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So I have a question. Is the matter doohickey crystal from the first mission of this rundown supposed to look like the nodules formed on the bodies of some sleepers?

harsh saffron
solar nova
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I remembered more, but they were actually A1 descriptions.

harsh saffron
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oh yeah true

severe prairie
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Anywhere i can get all the email and audio logs found within the game?

dim scroll
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Pinned message

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There

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You can sort by rundown, date, level, etc

severe prairie
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Thank you

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am blind

harsh saffron
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Roadmap for R6 casually confirming the "other place" is another Dimension 👀

analog frigate
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yeah with those "dimensions"

subtle verge
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I don't think that's what the use of dimension is intended for.

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In game design, dimensions are up, down, left, right, in, and out.

solar nova
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They've been referred to that way in datablocks, so it might be an internal name.

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Especially since it's a game system.

subtle verge
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That being said, assets are placed on layers of planes, or dimensions. The players and sleepers, for example, share a 2-dimensional plane. While the flyers/floaters have their own dimensional plane.

My best guess for what they mean by dimensions are the use of asset transfer (the teleportation) to another dimension (plane), which effectively increases their amount of playable space.

solar nova
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Well, I can just confirm that, the dimension system is literally just what allows them to have multiple different maps available at a time. It's used for the prioity missions and it's used for D4.

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It's all labeled that internally.

dull crest
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We could probably have labeled that a bit clearer 🙂

subtle verge
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Based God help us if the in-house doesn't know what terms mean. Sweating

dull crest
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Haha

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We are all doomed

subtle verge
harsh saffron
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I didn't really meant that as a serious discovery, its just easier to write down "dimensions" and everybody knows what they mean whether or not that's the actual lore meaning ^^

frail pollen
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tbh that's probably one of the harder things about writing patch notes - having to choose terminology that doesn't reveal too much / isn't confusing / doesn't mislead anyone (whether lore or elsewise)

subtle verge
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I definitely do not envy you guys on that front. I used to write the patch notes for a Conan Exiles roleplay server many moons ago (we had four in-house mods). We weren't a million+ dollar company, obviously, so we could be more lax and semi-professional in our patch notes and pull the curtain back just a little bit more than what you all probably want/do.

harsh saffron
subtle verge
harsh saffron
pale gull
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epic warden is on 16 now.

harsh saffron
dull crest
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There was some other stuff in that list that I thought would trigger discussions in here thou

harsh saffron
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Oh really?

subtle verge
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I'm curious as to what you mean, Calle.

harsh saffron
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BX, CX, DX
The X indicates we are on the new planet Xenoranon PirateSimon

subtle verge
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There's nothing really lore-related with the list, as far as I can tell. I mean new logs, new dangers, sure.

south lake
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Inb4 "new dangers" just means Calle has duck taped guns to the fliers

subtle verge
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Maybe they hired George R.R. Martin to write three new waifus in the GTFO Elden Ring expansion.

south lake
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Lol..

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Not gonna lie, when I found out Georgie was designing the story for Elden Ring, my first thought was "..So the usual for a Souls game, then."