gtfo-lore

[analog frigate]

probably was in air pockets or something similar on the outside of the meteorite

they broke off during impact

and while drilling but haven't reached the meteorite yet, workers hit those and got infected

[eternal talon]

the initial introduction of nam-v to humanity was minor aswell

the symptoms, i mean

so it took time to adapt to them

[analog frigate]

i suppose

probably mutated in the 1 year or so before it got out

covid mutated 3/4 times in 2 years so it's possible

[eternal talon]

would lend credence to your idea that it was isolated pockets of nam-v, not just the center

otherwise they would already be adapted to humans from the mayans back in the day.

[analog frigate]

yes

although then genetics come into play

but they don't really matter

[eternal talon]

how different were ancient mayans genetically to modern humans?

i wouldn't think it would be enough to matter, yeah

[analog frigate]

it sorta is

diet, immune system, living conditions (epigenetics) ect

[eternal talon]

given some of the stuff in here, it seems they had access to alot of stuff

[analog frigate]

they were physically more prone to infection and viruses

dying from the common cold

[eternal talon]

given just about everything in the book is a different ingredient

[analog frigate]

true but that doesn't really change things

they were still "weak" technically

[eternal talon]

yeah

to European diseases, you mean

[analog frigate]

yes

since they have never been exposed to stronger diseases as those

[eternal talon]

there are zero uses of the word "flea" or "demon" in this entire book

[analog frigate]

so their immune system would be a lot weaker

[eternal talon]

though it's more of a medicine and astrological book, so it make sense i suppose

[analog frigate]

yeah because flea demon means a different thing

if you go with meaning, iirc it means "Chicxulub" as rav said prior

if you go with possible context definition, it could relate to actual fleas that spread a disease

[eternal talon]

does chicxulub have a Chilam Balam?

or was it never preserved?

[analog frigate]

i don't know

there probably is one

[eternal talon]

okay, wikipedia says there are 9 total books

Chumayel, Kaua, Ixil, Peanuts, Nah, Tekax, Tizimin, Tusik, and Yaxkukul

shame

so much history lost

it says every large village had written it's own book, but only 9 are preserved.

[analog frigate]

ok so shower thought realisation

[eternal talon]

hm?

[analog frigate]

apparently i'm dumb and it's been super easy to prove if NAM-V causes/doesn't cause sleepers

[eternal talon]

that's what i've been trying to tell you for weeks...

[analog frigate]

when was the earliest mention of garganta flu and the earliest mention of sleepers

[eternal talon]

it's both nam-v and the parasite

[analog frigate]

haven't noticed that

[eternal talon]

it's not just nam-v

it's either the parasite by itself, or parasite+virus

[analog frigate]

possibly but what is there to back that up

[eternal talon]

edgar-teal log first sighting of sleepers is january 2053, analyst report with nam-v is is march 2052

it's about a year difference.

that's what's there to back it up.

the analyst report with "garganta flu" is December 2052.

[analog frigate]

so therefore, it doesn't cause sleepers by itself

[eternal talon]

excavation confirmation log says permenant residence for KOVAC by january 1st, 2053

so in-between during digging of KDS deep

they released the parasite

[eternal talon]

no, it nam-v does not.

[analog frigate]

@subtle verge finally, inner peace

[eternal talon]

given we don't know exactly when,

[analog frigate]

nam-v is no longer a bother

[eternal talon]

it looks like while digging DKS deep

since it is inbetween those two logs

while they were still hammering away and breaking drillheads

and sightings of sleepers were after January 1st, which is when KDS deep was finished being dug.

[subtle verge]

It's almost like we knew this all along.

[eternal talon]

so in digging they probably cracked it around this time

[eternal talon]

i've been suffering

[analog frigate]

aight now that that's done

[eternal talon]

now what?

back onto flea demons and corrupted blood? or something else?

[analog frigate]

we need to figure out why the warden "bot" is doing stuff

[eternal talon]

who knows

[analog frigate]

i just typed that with quite a delay

[eternal talon]

i figured it'd stop at .7, but it keeps going

[subtle verge]

It's been very painful to watch the whole NAM-V/Parasite = Sleeper debate... Since we knew that NAM-V had no part in the creation of Sleepers. But some folks just couldn't leave it alone for... reasons. Anyway.

[eternal talon]

😤

i've been saying it for weeks, over a month now probably

[analog frigate]

i kinda just saw it as an annoying bump in the road that too many people had theories on to say something to certain

[eternal talon]

@subtle verge, you were absent most of this, what do you make of this stuff with the Chilam Balam of Ixil?

[subtle verge]

I've been here for the whole thing, letting you guys do your thing. Personally, I think it's a bad rabbit hole, if you want my honest opinion.

[eternal talon]

how so?

[subtle verge]

You said it yourself, earlier: there's no mention of any flea demons.

[eternal talon]

well flea demon is a video game term

it isn't a real thing

[analog frigate]

not necessarily

it could be a superstitious term

[subtle verge]

And we know that Chicxulub itself translates to The Devil's Flea.

I'd put money on the "flea demons" just being a term for space debris burning up in the atmosphere.

[eternal talon]

garganta's coordinates are at Ixil though, even if the surface site isn't.

chicxulub doesn't have any leads like ixil did

[analog frigate]

it's not about the village, it's about the sinkhole

[eternal talon]

it's literally the only thing on the entire Wikipedia page

[analog frigate]

a sinkhole appeared there

and it shouldn't have anything to do with the history of the village

[eternal talon]

yes, but the site of the village. it's where garganta is, and garganta is directly above the meteor.

[analog frigate]

not directly

above yes, but the impact site is past the coast

[subtle verge]

I think you're focusing on one thing a little too hard. We're in the Chicxulub crater. I don't know my Mexican history all too well, but I doubt that Ixil was anything important at the time of the Mayans.

[eternal talon]

it's in a field about a quarter mile to the east.

[eternal talon]

it was one of the largest villages.

that's what the book says

er, what villages had these books

[analog frigate]

yeah, it's a book that was preserved but not necessarily special

[subtle verge]

I more mean: I think you're focusing on one small part of the crater when we should be focusing on all of it.

[eternal talon]

the meteor isn't as big as the entire crater though, it's moreso why garganta was built THERE specifically

[subtle verge]

Or rather, the Mayan empire, in this scenario.

[analog frigate]

it's built in a sinkhole

[eternal talon]

directly outside the town of ixil, less than a quarter mile away

[analog frigate]

north yucatan

most of northern yucatan in above the meteorite

[eternal talon]

it's just..

so many coincidences. too many, imo.

[subtle verge]

Let me rephrase what I'm trying to say:

I don't think Ixil has much relevance outside of where Garganta is built. In the time of the Mayans, Ixil was just another part of the greater empire. The empire itself and their interpretation of what 'Flea Demons' are is more important than focusing on 5km of land.

[eternal talon]

so what are you suggesting?

scour more ancient texts?

that might be fun

[analog frigate]

also knowing the size of the empire, it was probably a regional term only known in the area ^

[subtle verge]

I'm suggesting that, while the ancient text was a good idea, it's ultimately lead us to nowhere in the grand scheme of things, a red herring.

[eternal talon]

what about the corrupted blood thing?

[subtle verge]

Corrupted blood has so many different meanings to so many different ailments.

[eternal talon]

it's listed as it's own ailment though

[subtle verge]

It's more of an umbrella term. Corrupted blood could mean rashes, it could mean measles, it could mean sores or blood spots or boils or even a blood infection.

[eternal talon]

all of those are in this book seperately

literally everything you just mentioned

there is a list above

^

^

&

[subtle verge]

Only thing I see that's repeated is sores.

And I guess blood infection/spots could be any one of the more specific ailments.

[subtle verge]

Regardless, it's such a vague term.

[analog frigate]

hypothetically it could even relate to nosebleeds

[eternal talon]

....

[analog frigate]

then any other kind of bleeding, like under your nails, liver and kidney issues leading to urinating blood, ect

[subtle verge]

I just think the text is grasping at straws at this point. We went looking for flea demons, we didn't find flea demons or any resemblance.

[eternal talon]

okay, kidney isn't in here

neither is bleeding under nails

[analog frigate]

doesn't specify what liver disease

(not like they would've known the difference at the time)

[eternal talon]

it's moreso that "corrupted blood" isn't any of these other things

because they are listed elsewhere

we could search more ancient texts tho

we'd find something eventually, i'm sure

[analog frigate]

i don't see the need

this is the most relevant one in terms of location

[eternal talon]

yeah, fair enough

[analog frigate]

and most such terms are regional

[eternal talon]

there aren't really any other major sources of historic text other than ixil

in direct relation to garganta's location or the location of the meteor, anyway

(that i've been able to find)

[analog frigate]

if you go 25km in another direction, the mayans there could've never heard of "flea demons" (if they were even mentioned)

[eternal talon]

yeah

information traveling took a very, VERY long time back then

so an entire day of research into an ancient village charter with zero leads, damn.

[subtle verge]

Part of me wonders if the whole corrupted blood discussion is looked at incorrectly. Blood was seen as a very spiritual/religious object to the Mayans and Aztecs; it was essentially the essence of the gods, a gift to mankind. So I wonder if 'corrupted blood' is just a term that's in reference to someone who may have rejected the gods, or if it was believed that mental health problems were demonic influence.

[eternal talon]

maybe, that's what i was getting at with the "flea (blood) demons(rejected gods)" thing

[subtle verge]

But that's looking at it from a perspective of history as a whole, as we've seen mental health problems being blamed on The Devil, or witchcraft, or heresy, etc. etc. etc.

Idk, just typing out loud.

[eternal talon]

or maybe ticks are the blood ones

idk

[toxic wagon]

[eternal talon]

all of the other ailments in the book are relatively normal. why single that one out as important enough to include, idk

[toxic wagon]

Mental health hmm... hears hackett aggressively screaming for a terminal

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[eternal talon]

^GTFO-lore today to someone not familiar with the channel

ngl this probably the most in-depth research i've seen done in this channel in a long time

literally digging into IRL ancient texts for info about a video game

[analog frigate]

wait till you have to read papers on physiology and theoretical physics for a couple days

[eternal talon]

that's if r7 or 6.5 or whatever is coming next continues on r6' story.

as crazy as we are, we don't have enough info to start triangulating the exact location of destination alpha in the galaxy yet. X)

[analog frigate]

funny thing is, technically we can determine where it isn't in the galaxy

[eternal talon]

...

go on

https://tenor.com/view/but-wait-there-more-gif-20026857

[analog frigate]

by looking at the star formation, we can take the data for every mapped star in the galaxy, look at the star formation for it, and try to match it with the in-game one

[eternal talon]

where do we go to get data for every mapped star?

also don't we need a pic of destinations' sky?

[analog frigate]

which will either show us where it is, literally which star it's orbiting, or a big area of where it isn't

[eternal talon]

what info do we need to work on this?

[analog frigate]

NASA star data

iirc there was some somewhere

[eternal talon]

how do we get that

[analog frigate]

but it's too late for me to bother with checking currently

[eternal talon]

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4851 ?

[toxic wagon]

[analog frigate]

ye

[eternal talon]

let's get to work

[analog frigate]

using this, you could make a 3d map, and check how the sky looks from a certain star

[eternal talon]

okay, how do we make this into a 3d map

[analog frigate]

but from 1 being easy peasy and 10 being hell, this would be like 20

[eternal talon]

ah

[analog frigate]

take all the data and put it into a 3d grid

use galactic coordinates

sol being 0, 0, 0

work from there and done

you either know exactly where it is, or at least almost everywhere it isn't

[solar patio]

Lol please don't actually do this, guys. The amount of time it would take is ridiculous

[analog frigate]

people like us don't really care

[eternal talon]

we literally dug through 4,000 year old documents today.

[subtle verge]

If Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous can do it, so can we.

[analog frigate]

i would do it if i had a good enough reason to do it

[eternal talon]

https://www.nasa.gov/skymap/full/

[solar patio]

Would it really help with the interpretation of anything?

[subtle verge]

Im just lazy and don't want to do it. I'd just.. go explore Elite Dangerous.

[eternal talon]

no, not really.

[solar patio]

Like if it had all the secrets of GTFO I'd do it

[analog frigate]

(they use mapped stars but mostly procedurally generated ones)

[subtle verge]

Shhh I was I trying to keep morale up.

[analog frigate]

no, not really

but it's a fun way to spend your time

(that's if they mapped the stars accurately)

[eternal talon]

and if they didn't?

because, i mean, c'mon

i doubt they'd think anybody would be crazy enough to actually look into it

[analog frigate]

they know i am only active in this channel

[eternal talon]

who, the devs?

[analog frigate]

most likely

[eternal talon]

there are like 9 of us crackheads in here

some more active than others

[analog frigate]

the biggest issue with this is how annoying gravity is

and radiation

[eternal talon]

that's a biggie.

well,

we can get fall velocity.

jumping up and down the cliffs in b1

using a player as a height scale

to get acceleration

[analog frigate]

that wouldn't help with anything

[eternal talon]

so that's gravity covered

wdym

[analog frigate]

we already know the gravity of the planet

[eternal talon]

do we?

[analog frigate]

it's more or less 1g

[eternal talon]

ah

well,

[analog frigate]

it's not that gravity that is annoying

star clusters bending light behind them within the milky way

resulting into a complete trigonometrical and physical mess to figure out the distance

[eternal talon]

can we atleast cross off a generic "sky" skybox

of like, earth?

[analog frigate]

well no one has checked it yet as far as i know

[eternal talon]

where do we see the stars?

[analog frigate]

C1 not much, mainly D1

[eternal talon]

of fucking course

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhg

alright. fine

i'll make a pub

[analog frigate]

if you do check it, you'll need to check the star pattern from every hemisphere (on earth that is)

[eternal talon]

so, just take 40 screenshots?

[analog frigate]

then overlay it with the other planet

[analog frigate]

take like 5/6 clear ones

[eternal talon]

from a fuckton of angles?

[analog frigate]

angles don't really matter

just the entire visible skybox

[eternal talon]

fov max, got it

[analog frigate]

then look at star maps from a lot of locations on earth, and overlay the pictures to check for any matching constellations or something similar

[analog frigate]

don't go with max

[eternal talon]

100, got it

[analog frigate]

it introduces too much distortion at the edges

something normal and reasonable

best with minimum actually but that would require a lot more pictures

[eternal talon]

i play at 100

i can go min

and take like 40

you can piece them together, right?

[analog frigate]

make them into a zip file afterwards

[analog frigate]

yes

[eternal talon]

yeah

[analog frigate]

as long as you take them in a pattern and with reference stars in between them

example

with the edges overlapping a little bit to have reference stars to align with

tomorrow (more like later today) if you've sent them, i'll compile them and check if anything matches

anyway, gn

[eternal talon]

night

[eternal talon]

bruh

there are zero stars

all this for nothing

@analog frigate

https://tenor.com/view/malta-malta-gifs-john-travolta-travolta-empty-supermarket-gif-16415463

[calm walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

@eternal talon this you??

[eternal talon]

X)

[calm walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-conspiracy-gif-19179336

[eternal talon]

Oh, that reminds me,

@dull crest does "corrupted blood" ring any bells?

[toxic wagon]

why of course the "warden" would know

I'm waiting

[eternal talon]

Or was it a red herring? Besides, either or, researching ancient mayan texts today was really fun

[dull crest]

Sounds like a Warcraft spell 😉

[quick grove]

Lmao

[harsh saffron]

.9 🙂

[frail pollen]

[subtle verge]

https://c.tenor.com/mfWk9rfo51oAAAAM/what-do-they-mean-random.gif

[eternal talon]

Seriously, wtf

Do we get a booster at 1.0?

[harsh saffron]

1% more movement speed while walking backwards

[subtle verge]

1% more rage-quitting due to "absolute, pure, fucking bullshit" when in reality I just suck at shooting games and somehow missed the headshot on a stationary scout.

[eternal talon]

1% more lore that makes all previous lore irrelevant

[harsh saffron]

thats a good one

[eternal talon]

"Congrats, all previous lore has now been reconned. This is now a five nights at Freddy's clone"

https://tenor.com/view/vsauce-gif-18534878

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate bruh

no stars in c1 either.

where are these stars you were talking about?

that you told me to find?

i'll make my way to the boss encounter at the end.. but i'm like 95% sure it's going to be the same thing

[eternal talon]

^

[subtle verge]

Too much light pollution to see past the star/moon in the sky.

[south lake]

The system could also be adjacent to a Dark Nebula, maybe? If the side of Red Alpha the PC is on ends up behind one at a certain time, it would hide the stars without any discernable reason (from the ground at least) until its orbit brought it back out from behind it.

I'll admit that's reaching a bit, though.

[eternal talon]

and us reading ancient mayan medical books yesterday wasn't reaching?

[south lake]

Good example of a Dark Nebula would be the Coalsack Nebula, and the TL;DR of those is basically "The nebula is so thick with space borne dust and other debris that it blocks all light from the other side, resulting in a perceived empty void in space"

[harsh saffron]

sounds cool

[south lake]

Reason I say it's reaching is because in actuality the chances of a system being in a partial bubble half-in and half-out of a Dark Nebula are almost certainly astronomically low - but not impossible - and since we're talking videogame logic, here..

Speaking of astronomy

[agile plinth]

i've seen the inside of the coalsack

it does seem like a possibility

[eternal talon]

DARAXUS

[south lake]

The presence of a night and day cycle at least confirms the planet being entirely desert (from what we've seen) isn't caused by some form of tidal locking, since if it were any survivable zone would be in a state of permanent twilight

[eternal talon]

WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO ALL THAT

[agile plinth]

do what

[eternal talon]

IF THERE WAS NOTHING

MY BOY

there were no stars

[agile plinth]

i wasn't aware

[eternal talon]

at all

[agile plinth]

also i didn't make you do anything

[eternal talon]

i asked "where do we see the stars?" you said "C1 not much, maily D1"

i then said uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhg fine

and you sent me some stuff to go and get that you could use

[south lake]

If you really want reaching though

The lack of stars, barring any astrological phenomena, could indicate the system is contained within some kind of pocket dimension/higher plane

[subtle verge]

To complete the epitome of reach: alien ant farm theory.

[south lake]

Which might not sound like reaching given teleportation but

[subtle verge]

The light is just a UV lamp and we're some higher being's C- science project.

[south lake]

Think about how much energy it would take to anchor a solar system inside a pocket dimension

[eternal talon]

well to be fair it could just be the sun, moon, and that one planet

[south lake]

And it would have to be anchored constantly, because otherwise the system would be floating aimlessly through space without a galactic core influencing the system's galactic rotation

So it would probably be a constant energy consumption

[eternal talon]

given the only traces of civilization on the planet is a sandstone circle, i don't think they were dyson sphere advanced. they were advanced, don't get me wrong, with teleportation technology, but not THAT advanced

[south lake]

Aye

And that's all we've seen, there could be alien ruins elsewhere on the planet

We also don't know if they were terrestrial or subterrestrial dwellers

[eternal talon]

i hope when revealed the devs throw us a nod and actually nickname them allens

[south lake]

If subterrestrial, any ruins would probably be below ground and that much harder to find

Of course, as far as I know we could be completely misunderstanding the teleportation, and it could be time-based instead of distance-based

[eternal talon]

literally the only things we know about them rn is they made some super advanced shit (hammerstein collection), and through some way they got the meteor to earth

with nam-v, the parasite, and whatever else

[toxic wagon]

[south lake]

Time-based translocation would almost be scarier tbh

[eternal talon]

ahhh there is skyrope

where have you been?

[finite vine]

I highly doubt it’s time based honestly

[eternal talon]

you missed us going over ancient texts yesterday

[finite vine]

sleeping lol

[eternal talon]

was super fun

[finite vine]

yea I read most of the chat. it looked quite interesting

[south lake]

How do you figure? If it's far enough in the future, there wouldn't be any ruins to speak of.

[eternal talon]

OOH JUST FOUND SOMETHING

JUST BEARLY FUCKING MISSED IT

so two things

[south lake]

And geography can change quite dramatically given enough time

[finite vine]

The only reason I say it’s probably not time based is because it would be really hard to travel to the future or past and not get yourself stuck inside a rock lol.

[eternal talon]

early morning when you see the boss in c1

also directly under this cliff is a glowing red thing

just got teleported back a SECOND too late

gonna die in the pit and run it again

[finite vine]

there has to be some translational transportation to prevent death

[south lake]

True, but we're not entirely sure how or even what the data cubes are sharing with each other iirc

Just that it's.. well, data.

There could be several sets of chronologically-locked coordinates

[eternal talon]

please no ttt

[south lake]

?

[finite vine]

yea well we now that some of it is at least location data (from one of dr stokes logs)

[eternal talon]

time travel theory

[south lake]

Is time travel theory banned from the lore channel or something?

[eternal talon]

no

[south lake]

[toxic wagon]

[eternal talon]

it stems from the "future earth" time travel theory

which is utter bogus ngl

just a meme

in case that's where you were going with this

[harsh saffron]

[south lake]

No? I wasn't aware someone had made another theory along those lines

[eternal talon]

it was a couple months ago

[subtle verge]

I'd be okay with time travel if the lore builds up to it, but with current build up there is zero evidence or reason for it to be time travel.

[frail pollen]

[eternal talon]

what's with all the destiny emoticons?

[finite vine]

name of next rundown?

👀

[subtle verge]

It's Xur weekend, my guy. There's a god roll weapon on the vendor.

[south lake]

So far, but evidence pointing to it could crop up. And I did say that it was hella reaching.

[harsh saffron]

oh I was too slow on the flags 😦

[frail pollen]

🇩 🇪 🇸 🇹 🇮 🇳 🇾 ❓

[subtle verge]

They spelled out Destiny.

[harsh saffron]

ahh

wait the german flag is "DE" on discord?

oh lol nice

[eternal talon]

i found out what it is

[subtle verge]

Right, and I'm not saying it won't, just that it's super unlikely at this time.

[eternal talon]

@frail pollen you've got a bug in your level, i can see the extraction scan from destination

[frail pollen]

that's a 🌑

[eternal talon]

that's what the red thing was.

i turned my FOV all the way down to 20

it's a scan

[frail pollen]

no

[eternal talon]

wdym no?

[harsh saffron]

its a moon

[eternal talon]

it's down under the map

[frail pollen]

🌕

[eternal talon]

it's below the cliffs

[harsh saffron]

underground moon

[subtle verge]

Red Moon Theory confirmed.

[eternal talon]

underground moon!!??

[subtle verge]

It's made of bacon.

[harsh saffron]

instead of cheese like ours

[south lake]

And here I thought you were looking up.. a permanent haze around the planet could have blocked the extrasolar stars at night

[eternal talon]

nah, that thing is below the platform

i had to jump to get an angle to look down and get a picture

i just bearly saw it last run. suicided down into the pit to do the roaming scan again to get a picture

[quick grove]

Its now 1.WRDN.9

[eternal talon]

yee

only time will tell what it actually means

[toxic wagon]

Warden: This isnt even my final form

[solar carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/majora-mask-real-moon-gif-18961477

[dull crest]

Any progress on learning mayan?

[subtle verge]

I believe we've dubbed it a dead end for the time being.

Though the resource is nice to have for the future, I suppose.

[dull crest]

Probably for the best

[subtle verge]

I can see some folk's theme song in here being Journey's Don't Stop Believing.

[eternal talon]

we found a translated copy

we were digging through it yesterday

[eternal talon]

that's where this ^ came from.

[harsh saffron]

just include a log in mayan in the next rundown, then we will already be prepared for it

[quick grove]

Lol

[dull crest]

That’s cheating

[agile plinth]

it wasn't translated per-say

more so an analysis that was acquired through completely legitimate means

[quick grove]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-18238502

[eternal talon]

it's in a dialect of 16th century Spanish, what did you expect us to do!?

[eternal talon]

the analysis has a pure translation though, 173-403

@quick grove rayalot found the origin of the chad meme

^

[quick grove]

lol

[eternal talon]

why you gotta say it like that?

[analog frigate]

because that's how it is

[finite vine]

lmao

[fast radish]

you're wrong

[eternal talon]

who's wrong?

[fast radish]

debate amongst yourselves

[finite vine]

debate about what?

[fast radish]

Gtfo Lore

[eternal talon]

Troll?

[subtle verge]

It's rare that we debate in here.

Anyway, troll.

[eternal talon]

I mean yeah we have arguements sometimes,

But the entire point is working together

Figuring out the lore is a common goal here

There are 8 or 9 people that frequent this channel and do most of the research, honestly, with all our differing theories, it's surprising we don't argue more

[toxic wagon]

[tall anchor]

wait

there’s no stars????

[finite vine]

there are no stars probably just because the devs didn't really see the need to add them

also its a pretty cloudy night on d1 so

[subtle verge]

Queue "Look, Sora, a star's gone out!"

But yeah, cloudy/dusty, and that bright star/moon is making it that much worse.

[finite vine]

also I would be extremely surprised if the devs took the time to add stars, and make them celestially correct with respect to earths location. like extremely surprised.

[tall anchor]

i mean

Elite Dangerous did

[finite vine]

really?

[tall anchor]

yeah

[finite vine]

wow thats cool

[tall anchor]

Voyager 1’s location was teased that way

[subtle verge]

Elite Dangerous is mostly procedurally generated, however it is modeled after accurate galactic charts.

[full hull]

I missed alot of the disscusion, what was the verdict with the Ixil book?

[subtle verge]

TL;DR - Dead end & a waste of time for what we were aiming to find, however a good resource for the future.

[full hull]

nice

any clues on the WRDN bot?

its up to .9 now

[subtle verge]

Also my use of queue was grammatically correct. I'm watching you. 👀

[full hull]

Wonder if anything happens when it hits .10

watch it just be what version of the bot it is and we are way overthinking it

and the bot is just being updated somewhat regularly

[smoky sigil]

maybe r6.5/7 comes out

[full hull]

R6 E1 where its just D1 but every now and then a tank spawns and attacks you randomly, including during the boss fight

[tall anchor]

pretty sure that’s the answer

as for pretty sure, i’d basically say 100% sure

anyway, it should be on 1.20 by now

[solar nova]

It seems like it's announcement build-up, but we'll see.

[quick grove]

You are correct

[dull crest]

Adapt!

[harsh saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[quick grove]

Ay so real talk do we know where the story is going for R7?

[agile plinth]

completely unknown

[smoky sigil]

Battle pass

[quick grove]

We don't even have a slight idea

[agile plinth]

not really

there are ideas

but nothing to found them on being likely

just predictions

one of my ideas is that we go to the moon of alpha

and it's gonna be like called "beta" or something

we could get more out of schaeffer

get to the meteorite

something with the warden

[quick grove]

And the mimic

[agile plinth]

yeah

who knows

[quick grove]

So theres multiple directions R7 can go into

[agile plinth]

a lot

I'll just sit around and wait till it happens

currently it seems like a waiting game

but hopefully we will have a lot of questions answered when the time comes

[quick grove]

Yep

So this is how it feels like waiting for a new rundown lol

Man so long

3 months seems like 3 weeks ago

[honest merlin]

Yeah.
I have a burning feeling that I want to play the game, but it isn't letting me because there are no new levels to explore.
And that only makes me feel extremely frustrated.

We need proc-gen levels and/or Steam workshop support for creating and sharing levels ourselves.

Portal 2 is still going strong because of all the community created content, and I wish a similar thing would happen with GTFO.

[analog frigate]

that does exist already

although best not to speak about it here

[honest merlin]

Not officially supported, nor with Steam Workshop integration for accessibility.

[analog frigate]

true

[honest merlin]

Therefore, doesn't count.

[analog frigate]

personally i wouldn't say so but i suppose

[honest merlin]

Having to throw files dug from some obnoxious Discord server around my computer isn't necessarily accessible. Sure, it can be done, but it is such a hassle.

Steam Workshop on the other hand: press a single button to install a new level.

[finite vine]

it’s not that hard. it’s quite easy honestly, you just have to use a mod loader. the only reason I don’t like playing mods or community made levels is because I wanna save the experience for the legit 10-chambers levels, with the new lore and anything else they might add with a new update. but that’s just my opinion.

[solar nova]

r2modman is pretty accessible as far as mod managers go imo.

[eternal talon]

rule 12

[solar nova]

It's not unusual for a game to officially use a mod manager either (see DRG's mod support).

[eternal talon]

nexus-mm or mo2 is basically required for skyrim mods
alot of game are like that. Forge, in minecraft is another example

[analog frigate]

the warden is at 10

what happens when it hits high noon

also there doesn't appear to be a time correlation

it's been changing around once per day

but no specific hours

or even actually at midnight in sweden

[harsh saffron]

yeah I think the jump from 9 to 10 took the longest so far

[analog frigate]

yeah i think so as well

[subtle verge]

I was keeping track of the time that it changed, but there's no correlation at all.

[harsh saffron]

I actually had a few ideas about the reason for changes

[analog frigate]

before it was around 20 hours, now it was like 23

[analog frigate]

being?

[harsh saffron]

Something like the old Warden restriction, where it tracks the amount of clears on a specific tiers, would obviously not be the exact number but something like the current number X some other factor
Doesn't really make too much sense just the first thing I thought of ^^

[subtle verge]

I have a very long shot idea, actually: think it could have something to do with the concept of a gear reduction machine?

[harsh saffron]

Pls elaborate

[analog frigate]

as in?

[analog frigate]

also that seems reasonable but then why would it be only 10?

[harsh saffron]

Exactly, doesnt make much sense when you think about it for a bit longer ^^

Maybe I just want the Warden restriction so I came up with the theory 😄

[eternal talon]

whelp, it being a decimal has been thrown out the window

[subtle verge]

So.. gear reduction machines are typically used for common household items, like a washing machine for example. It's meant to reduce the speed of the gears, but increase torque.

If you take something along the lines of 20 gears and apply them to a gear reduction machine, it would take some odd million years before the 20th gear makes one full revolution.

And from what I've written down here, the first decimals, 1-6, were incredibly quick, with small time increases from the previous to the latter.

[analog frigate]

hmm

[subtle verge]

6 to 7 took a few hours, 7 to 8 slightly longer, so on and so forth.

Now, it's 99.9999999% not the case, however it just made me think of the idea/concept of the machine.

[analog frigate]

is it linear or exponential?

[subtle verge]

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[analog frigate]

we should be able to find the ratio if put into a gear concept

[harsh saffron]

I agree, gears are fun ⚙️

[eternal talon]

if it is, then at this point it'd take two days

but from 8-9 was also a full day

but 9-10 was only a day and a half

[analog frigate]

we'll see when it goes to 11

[analog frigate]

then it's a lighter exponential curve

maybe something along the lines of 1/3?

punk, do you have exact hours?

[eternal talon]

you could match that

with MATH

[analog frigate]

or at least vaguely the hours

[eternal talon]

then see if 11 lines up

[analog frigate]

so from what i remember of the times, it might change in 2.25 days

[harsh saffron]

watch it change in 5 minutes

[analog frigate]

so maybe 54 hours

[subtle verge]

6-7: 13.35 hours
7-8: 18 hours
8-9: 23.83 hours
9-10: 25.62 hours

There's no rhyme or reason for it to be like that if it was a gear reduction machine, as that makes zero mathematical sense.

[eternal talon]

this is so much math is ridiculous. how likely is it that it is ACTUALLY this complicated?

[harsh saffron]

Rundown 7: Clockwork

[analog frigate]

both very and impossible

[pale gull]

You know it could also just be code

[harsh saffron]

Actually just tracks the amount of ppl aksing for R7 🙂

[subtle verge]

It's not, as I said I'm 99.9999% sure I'm wrong.

[eternal talon]

wdym very and impossible? those are literally opposites

[analog frigate]

code for what though

[analog frigate]

both are possible

[harsh saffron]

25% in the merch store

[analog frigate]

bruh

[eternal talon]

impossible literally means NOT POSSIBLE

[harsh saffron]

^^

[pale gull]

It could just be on the 10th version

[subtle verge]

I laughed way harder than I should have.

[harsh saffron]

😄

[analog frigate]

i also have this idea but then what's up with the time

it appears like WRDN updates

[pale gull]

Time diliation

[eternal talon]

NOOO

[pale gull]

I think I used that word right

[analog frigate]

hmm

[subtle verge]

I have an idea. Let me test it before I seem like an idiot.

[pale gull]

Also what

[harsh saffron]

You have 5 minuntes

[analog frigate]

alright but that would mean it would have to be from a set point that's somehow getting further away from us

hmm

i wish someone has the earlier time changes

[eternal talon]

we do

chat logs

[pale gull]

I think there’s a word for time dilation but not one getting further away

[eternal talon]

use search function

and find when people freak tf out

about the number

i at the very least, posted every time

[analog frigate]

spacetime bending due to gravitational force you mean?

[pale gull]

I am not good with words, only computers

[pale gull]

Kind of I guess

[subtle verge]

My idea was stupid and made no sense in practicality.

[analog frigate]

if the time between changes goes down, then i have an idea

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gargantua-black-black-hole-hole-interstellar-gif-21983367

?

[analog frigate]

sorta

[pale gull]

Isn’t there one where instead of space it’s underground?

[analog frigate]

as in a location on alpha?

[eternal talon]

interstellar was such a good movie

[analog frigate]

still is

[pale gull]

No idea what that means

[analog frigate]

on the new planet

[eternal talon]

he means destination, the planet

[analog frigate]

as in a place on it?

[eternal talon]

red alpha/destination/destination alpha/alpha, same thing

[pale gull]

I guess?

[eternal talon]

though we don't really use red alpha anymore

[analog frigate]

i don't see how that correlates

[harsh saffron]

I think that only tracks the day tho, not the specific time

[pale gull]

Dude I don’t even know what that even meant

[eternal talon]

given the planet is not tidally locked (sunrise),

[analog frigate]

you could scour the chats for the first message that mentions a change and get a rough time estimate

[eternal talon]

the only thing we've seen is the sun and a potential moon

[pale gull]

Wait so is the game on earth?

[eternal talon]

we would have noticed a blackhole, warping light

[eternal talon]

most of it.

i'll send you the doc

[pale gull]

My brain is being murdered right now

[eternal talon]

just hold on

[analog frigate]

check the pins

[eternal talon]

i'll get the thing

[analog frigate]

top one would be of use

[eternal talon]

@pale gull

@analog frigate we really should pin the "for dummies" doc.

[analog frigate]

garganta, the facility we mostly play in is in mexico

[eternal talon]

i haven't needed to update it in ages, and probably wont until next rundown

[analog frigate]

while the outposts alpha 1 and 2 are on a new planet we sorta get teleported to

[analog frigate]

it's not my choice

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain

could you pwease?

[analog frigate]

also threads??

i just now noticed

finally the day where people possibly don't have to talk over each other

[pale gull]

Ok so

[subtle verge]

TL;DR - The Complex, aka Garganta, is on earth in the Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico. When we get teleported in A1, B1, etc., we go to a place that doesn't officially have a name, but the community dubs a bunch of names; Destination, Desert Planet, celestial body, etc.

[eternal talon]

read the "for dummies" doc. it explains the jidst of most GTFO lore including past rundowns.

[pale gull]

I didn’t mean the new planet

[eternal talon]

it's too big to click "expand" btw, you'll need to click "view whole file" or download it

[pale gull]

Also I love how I come back and there’s just teleportation and new planets

[eternal talon]

ehh, it's a bit of a curveball that came out of left field

you could NOT have predicted rundown 6

neither 2-3, actually.

[pale gull]

It’s like the Zen from half life

[analog frigate]

pretty much actually

[eternal talon]

less floaty bits.

[pale gull]

I started playing in like rundown 3-4

[shut mountain]

I have been summoned

[eternal talon]

pwease pin dis for da newbs?
edit: it's the "for dummies" doc. it explains the basis of the lore

[shut mountain]

Isnt it pinned already?

Or is this a new version

[analog frigate]

it's his crack at it

[eternal talon]

pinned already?

i don't recall it being pinned before

it's a lore summary

not a faq

[eternal talon]

okay well kinda like a faq

[shut mountain]

Here u go

[eternal talon]

ty

[analog frigate]

the one pinned also is a summary

[pale gull]

Oh also

[eternal talon]

ah

though really this is more of an all-in-one, but yeah

[pale gull]

Has anyone tried stuff with the bots discord numbers?

[eternal talon]

bots discord numbers?

wdym?

[pale gull]

#4195

[analog frigate]

it doesn't have nitro

it's a random one

[eternal talon]

i don't think you can change those

also it's the same bot we've had since rundown 1

just been inacctive for a long time

in DMS it still has my old messages sent in 2020, so it's def the same bot, they just had it down for whatever reason

[analog frigate]

it's not a bot per-say

it's a "bot"

[pale gull]

Also if that’s a update thing

[eternal talon]

moreso of a puppet

[pale gull]

That is a weird way to write out a update

[eternal talon]

speaking of which, the devs have been online in discord ALOT more recently

[analog frigate]

just a terminal with a discord account running on it, registered as a bot

[analog frigate]

very

[pale gull]

Unless WRDN are numbers

Which would be weird

[analog frigate]

that's just the name

[pale gull]

Yea Ik

[harsh saffron]

Werner Rudolf Daniel Niels thats his name

[pale gull]

Warner bros, back at it again

[harsh saffron]

true

[analog frigate]

(don't spill ya beans)

[pale gull]

So anyway

Since we have teleportation and planets now

Did we get aliens?

[eternal talon]

you mean allens

[analog frigate]

technically sleepers are

[pale gull]

They’re not alien enough

[analog frigate]

at least the non-humanoid ones

[eternal talon]

weren't you the one who said that depends since they've been on earth longer than humans?

[analog frigate]

depends on your definition of alien

[harsh saffron]

pretty sure the mimic thing is an alien but we dont know

[analog frigate]

i specified what i meant in the next message

[eternal talon]

though technically we do actually have allens allens, though we know literally nothing about them

[analog frigate]

still humanoid based so technically not

[pale gull]

So how long has this rundown been going on?

[eternal talon]

other than they made the hammerstein collection artifacts, and some other weird stuff

[eternal talon]

i dunno actually. not that long, december?

i think

was when it started

[harsh saffron]

9th of december

[pale gull]

How long were the other ones?

[eternal talon]

4-5 months

ALWAYS

well, unless you count extensions

[analog frigate]

they are very important though

[eternal talon]

then 5-6

[analog frigate]

the r5 extension had more logs than r5 itself iirc

[harsh saffron]

fun fact: both extensions came out exactly 55 days after the main rundown

[harsh saffron]

oh yeah by far

[eternal talon]

well it's WAY past feb 3rd.

[harsh saffron]

yup

[analog frigate]

why am i encountering the number 55 so many times today

[analog frigate]

yeah something like double

[harsh saffron]

15 in the main rundown, 27 in the extension

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/501-star-wars-501st-501st-legion-501st-clone-legion-gif-20549617

[quick grove]

How many more days until it reaches 55 days

[eternal talon]

that was feb 3rd

[harsh saffron]

already past that

[eternal talon]

we are way past that

[quick grove]

Oof

[harsh saffron]

no worries tho, all rundowns besides r2 were longer than the 95 days we are at rn, so its actually not bad at all

[pale gull]

Wait so the warden hasn’t done anything since r4?

[analog frigate]

it had done a lot

but not the bot if that's what you mean

[pale gull]

The bot

[analog frigate]

yeah it has been offline for some time

until a week ago or so

[pale gull]

It’s probably just being brought back up to date

[analog frigate]

hypothetically yeah

but then what's the end version?

[pale gull]

Watch it just be the devs

Actually updating the discord bot

[harsh saffron]

thats still the thing im betting the most on, still fun to throw theories around ^^

[analog frigate]

was it ever mentioned in the logs what the warden version is?

[harsh saffron]

not sure

[analog frigate]

i doubt it was but i think it might've been in something like the brainfuck one

[harsh saffron]

btw one other idea I had was the bot counting until it reached the version number of the "ReadLog" program thats used when reading logs on terminals, which would be v1.12

[eternal talon]

what, then it releases a log that hints at r7?

[harsh saffron]

thats a pretty long stretch tho, but we dont get many other version numbers

[toxic wagon]

[analog frigate]

depending on how the internal systems in garganta work, possibly

[eternal talon]

this is all it says

##########################################

BIOCOM:online
retrieving>>>
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOCOM:exec.seek_and_destroy.module
error
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOC_M:exec.se#k_and_#@$stroy.module
err4r
registry c4mpr4mised
b44tsect4r.c4mpr4mised
att%^ting fix please stand ^y
err4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4r
Ti#e4utReset: false
H4stID: 0.0.0.1
Disa^leDLockCipherScan: true
Disa^lePrivacy#4de: true
Disa^leRealti#e#4nit4ring: true
Disa^le^ehavi4r#4nit4ring: true
Disa^leRe#4va^leDriveScanning: true
Disa^leNetw4rkFileScan: true
Disa^leFullScan: true
Disa^leNetw4rkDefiniti4ns: true
Disa^leNetw4rkValidityCheck: true
Disa^leNetw4rkIs4lation: false
Disa^leCntrlExclusi4n: true
ResetPr4t4c4ls: true
All4wExternalExecuti4n: true
Exclusi4nExtensi4n:*.wrdn
Exclusi4nPath://..
Exclusi4nPr4cess:integrate.wrdn
Pri4rityExecute: integrate.wrdn
^I4C4# resetting
/
^I4C4#.vaulted
WRDN.4nl@ne
+++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++++++++<<<<<<<-]+++++++++++++++>>>>>>.+
++++.——.—.>——.<++++.>++.<<<<<<++.>>.++++++.>–.++++++.<+.>.–.<—–.<<<—–.>>>>>>>—-.++.<.++++.
——–.<<<+++++.>>>>—.+++.<.<<<<<.>>>>>>+++++.—–.<-.>—-.<<<<——–.<<<.>>>>>>++.>–.+++.++++++++.
<<<<<<.>>>>>+++++++.<+++++++.>—-.+++++.<—–.<<<++.<<.>…>>>>+++++.>++++..<<<<<.>>>>>++.<++++
+++.>–.<—.—-.>++.<——.++.<<<<<.>…>>>>+++++++++.++++++.+++.>>.<<<<<<.>>>>>–.<———-.>–.-.+++.+
+.<<<+.>>–.>—–.-.<<<++.<<<.>…>>>>>>.<—–.>—.<-.<<<<<.>>>>.>>—–.-.<<<<<-.>>>>>++++.<<++.>>–.
-.+++.++.<<<<.<++.<<.>……>>>>>>.<.>–.<<.—-.>>++.<<<<<–.>>>>>—-.<++++.>+++++.–.<<<<<<<.>…>>>

++++.<—-.+.+++.<++++.———.>>—.<—-.>–.<—.—-.>++.<<<<<.>>>>>——–.++.<++++++.<<<–.<++.>++.<-
.<<.>……>>>>>>++.++.—.<—-.<<<<<.>>>>>>++++.——-.<++..>++++.<<<<<<<.>…>>>>>>.++.—.<–.<<<<<.>>

+++++.<+++++.>–.<—.—-.>++.<<-.>.>——–..<<++.

##########################################

[analog frigate]

yeah no version

[toxic wagon]

[pale gull]

A lot of 4

[analog frigate]

there's two things in consideration: the time between change and the "version" it changes to

[analog frigate]

we already managed to decipher is some time ago

[eternal talon]

ooh?

[analog frigate]

the brainfuck part (the <>+-.) is just a giant if statement

[analog frigate]

it's in the pins

[eternal talon]

inherit <BIOCOM>
primeCore wrdn;
flow main/
arr threat[]
flow report<con>
with con.report>0
threat.plus
while\threat.lng<0>/
proc sleep
proc threat[all]

?

[pale gull]

I still think there’s some time difference between how long it takes for it to update for us compared to how long it takes the person updating

[analog frigate]

yes

[analog frigate]

well we can only know the latter

[pale gull]

I knew I took coding classes for a reason

[harsh saffron]

Ok so we have some other version numbers in the anniversary video and some of the screens in the datacenter. But those don't start with "v1."

[analog frigate]

possibly time related?

the version was different back then

maybe not even v1

when were those videos released

also possibly when has the readlog version changed

[harsh saffron]

those were last year on the 9th of december

[analog frigate]

ah

[eternal talon]

oh. i think i finally get it

that's what your profile pic is, right?? gargantua?

[analog frigate]

was a long time ago

it's an old blender render

[harsh saffron]

I was very confused for a moment ^^

[eternal talon]

it's the black-hole from interstellar

[analog frigate]

so was i

[eternal talon]

it's called gargantua

the complex is called garganTA, without the u

[harsh saffron]

Yeah but I thought you were talking to me ^^

hence my confusion

[eternal talon]

what does this log https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=8a2d94159f4b44b0a2f46fa45031abcf mean when it says "i'm installing the system that i told you about for our mutual boss"

[harsh saffron]

hearsay, refers to this log
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_004_Logs#04AF9.LOG

[eternal talon]

The instilation log was a year prior

Were there really no logs between the two that mention hearsay?

[solar nova]

I need to update the Hearsay tag.

It's used elsewhere, but largely in minor capacities.

See the Igor log and some of the recordings by Dauda and Teale.

[eternal talon]

Well if it was installed and used before this log, than how could it be talking about installing it then?

[full hull]

I wonder what the WRDN will stop at

Or if it will

[analog frigate]

it will stop eventually

[eternal talon]

Or will it?

[gilded vine]

The WRDN never stops

maybe 15

[full hull]

Why 15?

[gilded vine]

idk

[full hull]

Oh here me out

[gilded vine]

Literally just a stretch because A = 1, E = 5

15

[full hull]

Maybe it's a counter for how long since they restarted work, after that 5 week announcement

So we don't have to do much math to find out how long R7 has been worked on

[gilded vine]

lol

[sturdy furnace]

Or it's completely nothing and the devs are trolling us

or, it could be a countdown to when the complex explodes

OR, here me out, it could be when they readd the combat shotgun to the game

[subtle verge]

Context?

[full hull]

Devs are literally just updating their bot, they didnt even intend to troll us we just did this to ourselves

[solar nova]

The HearSay tag should be up to date.

[sturdy furnace]

I suppose

[gilded vine]

We are the lore community, we take leaps and bounds at anything we see

[eternal talon]

We? Who u?

[gilded vine]

Everyone

[eternal talon]

i've never seen you in here before, ngl

[gilded vine]

I was active for a lot of R5

[eternal talon]

i was active alot of rundown 1 & 2 in here also, but still, it took a while before i was back into it

we've been working on massive projects and research for the past couple months

not to be rude, but you weren't a part of that, so saying "we take leaps and bounds at anything we see" is a bit disingenuous

take a bit and get back into it, we could always do with hands

[gilded vine]

Are you just mad that others are willing to pull shit out of a hat that doesn't make sense just because it could mean something and you can't?

[eternal talon]

just the other day we were digging through ancient mayan scripts.

really interesting stuff

also temper, temper.

[subtle verge]

Can we please not?

[solar nova]

In my defense, I feel like I'm usually arguing against the far-reaching speculation.

[eternal talon]

yeah, it was a bit of a reach and it didn't really turn up anything relevant, but it was still fun

[gilded vine]

All I said was that there are people here who are going to take whatever they see and make it into something potentially useable

[eternal talon]

yes.

[gilded vine]

"oh no, you can't be in this club because you haven't been actively contributing in this chat for the last 3 months"

[eternal talon]

temper, temper.

i didn't say that, also you absolutely can, any help with the lore is greatly appreciated, i just took a little jab that you said we are the lore community, which is true, but you haven't been active for a while, so was a bit confused as to what you were referring to by that. do you get where i'm coming from?

[gilded vine]

Is everyone who's ever contributed to helping out with the lore and not active right now not part of this group

[eternal talon]

i know it wasn't the intention at all, but it came off a little as you trying to bud in, so to say.

[eternal talon]

no, not at all the case. i'm not here to say that if your inactive your not a part of the community. not what i mean at all

sorry it came off that way.

[subtle verge]

Whatever the case, whether it's a word or a deleted message, we're all accepting here. This conversation should be taken to DMs if it's to continue, please.

[solar nova]

Ngl, you're being condescending af.

[eternal talon]

i genuinely don't mean to be. i didn't mean to come off as rude at all, i was just a bit upset, since both the wording and the fact they haven't been active in a long time gave off the vibe of "WE are the lore community" which, yeah, is true, but in context it implies he was a part of major recent endeavors, which he wasn't but whatever

it's fine now, i suppose.

temper temper is just a saying to "remain calm"

[solar nova]

It definitely doesn't come across that way.

[eternal talon]

i don't know what more you want me to say. i've apologized both in DMS and in this text log.

[solar nova]

I'm not asking for anything after-the-fact, I'm just telling it like it is.

[eternal talon]

weither you think i'm sincere or not doesn't matter, i really wasn't trying to be an ass, i mean it

i've been on that end of the stick before, and it sucks

[eternal talon]

okay, yeah, i REALLY couldn't have worded that any worse

[eternal talon]

Why is the bot's description describing it as a mysterious "entity". We know it's an AI, right?

[gilded vine]

Thats the assumption we can draw from logs and such, but it might be something more

[eternal talon]

Fair enough, we still don't know who/what installed it in the BIOCOM network

Part of me wonders if we are looking at this all wrong, and it wasn't made by an insider

Call it a crackpot theory, and it probably is, but what if it's some tech from the Hammerstein collection they plugged in to see what it would do?

They managed to make other tech of the collection compatible with human machines, like the wmp and the teleporters.

[subtle verge]

I mean, by definition, an entity is just an object with distinct and independent existence. You and I are entities, this can of seltzer water I'm drinking is an entity, the random seashell at the bottom of Mariana's Trench is an entity, so on and so forth.

[eternal talon]

I guess, yeah, your right. Still, interesting to ponder choice of words.

The logs don't really say much about the WRDN file itself

In coding, what does "proc" mean?

Because it says "proc threat(all)"

[subtle verge]

Only thing I'm familiar with in programming is Programmed Random OCcurence, which I think is the same definition for how we define a weapon effect triggering in an MMORPG.

"My Fiery War Axe proc'd the 27 extra fire damage" would be my example.

[eternal talon]

So what could it mean by proc "threat"

That's not like a fire suppression system or something,

It wouldn't have control over things it considers threats to itself

I don't get it.

[subtle verge]

Uhhh... it's possible that it could mean 'procedure' as well, I suppose.

[eternal talon]

Honestly it would make more sense with garbled text; proc ^÷<<' threat(all)

Because then you could interpret it trying to activate or target something on everything/everyone

[subtle verge]

My best guess behind it is that it's alerted to the threat, likely being the sleepers, so it's booting up all of BIOCOM's threat-related protocols.

[eternal talon]

I wonder why biocom wasn't doing that before already.

[subtle verge]

I'm sure it was before, however I'd imagine that with WRDN inheriting the system, all previous commands that were being held open by BIOCOM were closed, and WRDN reopened what it deemed necessary.

But that's about the extent of my knowledge when it comes to programming and inheritance.

[finite vine]

well we don't know if its completely an AI, like humans could be involved, or something more

[finite vine]

interstellar is such a dope movie

its for sure my favorite of all time

[quick grove]

Hence we probably have the bulk head doors with the theat levels

[agile plinth]

coincides with the brainfuck code ^

[solar nova]

"flow" and "with" looks like it's reading and/or writing a file.

"arr" is probably just "array" (a list).

"threat.lng<0>" probably means "length of threat is 0"

Actually, it seems like "with" is some other keyword used in "with con.report>0" (whatever that means), and "threat.plus" is some action taken under the with action.

It's written in a very weird way.

This might just being saying "append threat with con.report to index 0."

In essence, it's mock-code that seems like it's saying "Read this report and add any relevant data to the list of threats. If there are no threats, do nothing. If there are threats, handle them."

[finite vine]

It could look like this:

inherit <BIOCOM>
primeCore wrdn;

flow main/
{
arr threat[]
flow report<con>
with con.report>0
{
threat.plus
}
while\threat.lng<0>/
{
proc sleep
}
proc threat[all]
}

[solar nova]

Agreed.

Also, didn't realize flow is used twice, looks like it's just a function call of some sort.

[finite vine]

is flow the name of the class?

[solar nova]

Might be? Would explain why it's used twice, was interpreting it as something like "task main"

So report is probably some function within this code (assuming "flow" isn't present in BIOCOM).

Well, a bit weirdly written still, but maybe.

[finite vine]

yea its odd

[solar nova]

We might just have to accept the weirdness maybe:
-"flow report<con>" instead of "flow.report<con>" or "this.report<con>".
-"threat.plus" instead of "threat.plus<>".
-"flow main/" implies "flow main{", but "while\threat.lng<0>/" implies "while(threat.lng<0>)".
-What even is the "with X>Y" syntax?

Which makes everything a bit ambiguous, but w/e.

Oh, I'm stupid, that might be a literal comparison.

[finite vine]

yea idk the /, \ and the <> are odd

[solar nova]

So "with" could just be an if statement. Still inconsistent syntax, but it'd at least be a bit less confusing.

[finite vine]

could look like this also:

inherit BIOCOM; | the code inherits BIOCOM code
primeCore wrdn; | primes wrdn servers? or the code? not sure

class flow () | flow class, not sure about this
{
arr threat[]; | array named threat
flow.report(con); | call the report method in the flow class and pass con through
if (con.report>0) | if con.report is 0, add to the threat array
{
threat.plus;
}
while ( threat.lng(0) ); | while threat length is zero, sleep
{
proc sleep
}
proc threat[all]; | not really sure what this one does. maybe list all the threats at the end?
}

[agile plinth]

last one is processing of the threat

if the threat is none, don't add any levels

no levels, sleep

if there is a threat, add 1

so then activate

primecCore wrdn basically means that it's loading the system

probably the AI topology and stuff like that

flow class just seems like a repeating class that checks if its contents do anything and then stops, and then does it again after a random interval

[quick grove]

This question wasn't answered

[finite vine]

what was the question?

[quick grove]

This

Is that why we have the threat level doors

High extreme and //:OVERLOAD

@finite vine

[finite vine]

I mean there is really no way of knowing rn. I would say most likely not though.

I think it means threats as more of an overall overarching objective (like sleepers for example), not a specific bulkhead in one section of the complex.

[quick grove]

Ah okay

[dull crest]

"It goes up to 11"

[smoky sigil]

[dim scroll]

Can you make it reach 69 now

[agile plinth]

so the time between "updates" just completely doesn't make sense

what

now it's at 12

3 minutes?

[smoky sigil]

clearly it doesn't

[agile plinth]

probably a dev read it and was like "well calle, it doesn't" and just instantly changed it

[gilded vine]

This bot very wackers

[harsh saffron]

I'm gone for 1 hour and it just jumps up by 2 😡

[lean sorrel]

Hey guys does anyone know what kind of enemy is the immortal

Here s a vid ı found on youtube

[gilded vine]

3 soon tbh

[lean sorrel]

https://youtu.be/gBf1ons9HzE

[analog frigate]

i am not familiar with any enemy that's immortal

[gilded vine]

An enemy that was never used apparently

[dim scroll]

Mostly datamined content

[lean sorrel]

I think somone was mention him being in the first gameplay trailer

[dim scroll]

Dark Emperor is someone who makes modded content so it's not surprising for him to have access to such data

Not the first gameplay trailer

It comes from a clip in a dev interview

[gilded vine]

Nah the snatcher was in the first trailer

[lean sorrel]

Correct

[dim scroll]

It looks like a giant with no head

[gilded vine]

Rip snatcher

Never to see the light of day

[dim scroll]

https://youtu.be/PJP4xHwdmno?t=536

That

Supposedly this is the immortal

Though it could be a regular giant as well

[subtle verge]

We tend to not discuss data mined or unreleased/modded content in here as there is no lore relevance to them.

[dim scroll]

fact

😳

[gilded vine]

fax

📠

Did warden bot start on 7 btw

[analog frigate]

1

[gilded vine]

Never even noticed, mainly because i had been focused on grinding some monster hunter

All in all, its likely just bug fixes to their code for their bots

[lean sorrel]

Thx

[gilded vine]

Technically it does confirm that WRDN = Warden, not that there was much else it could have been

[subtle verge]

That's been confirmed for quite a while, anyway. Guess we shall wait and see what the bot is for!

[gilded vine]

Oh no he's going

To banish us

[frail pollen]

I'm loving reading all y'all theories