gtfo-lore

[lilac island]

Right but then why would they redirect officials to Chicxulub as a decoy if Garganta is located there?

Also then why is Chicxulub operation separate from Garganta in that log?

I want to assure you the report will indicate the accident happened at the mining operation [unintelligible] and not at Garganta
Also that line makes no sense then too

[harsh saffron]

Since we don't really hear anything about 2 different operations/facilities in the last few rundowns, I would probably explain that with them setting up a decoy operation to cover up their actual construction process

[subtle verge]

The Chicxulub site is fairly massive. On the top side, there are quite a few kilometers of ground that is being excavated and worked on for what we can assume is iridium while Garganta is kept secret as they continue to dig further and deeper for the large deposits of what they suspected was iridium, and whatever else KDS needed the secrecy for, which we find out are the large influx of HSUs.

[lilac island]

Can you give me a log name or the rundown where this appeared as citation? If not that's fine too I just haven't dug through everything on the santonian website yet

I'm still very uncertain because I think the "incident" is refering to either the outbreak of NAM-V or the earthquake, in which case both Chicxulub and Garganta are effectively the same place in terms of a ground-0 for either of those possibilities.

But then again I have no citation on that since it's just what I can infer from the logs so far

[eternal talon]

garganta IS the chicxulub one

@lilac island

[subtle verge]

I don't believe there is a log that explicitly states the size of the entire work site. The large mass of what was thought to be iridium is actually Cretasium 77a (R5 log 'MSL report K-UX-DeepScan' - WKRP-817-CIN.LOG). They found the vein in the R6 log 'Found it' - EBDT-55TA-X12.LOG.

We do know that the worksite has access of up to 15km off the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula.

[lilac island]

Ty this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for, ty. The summary above is nice but there's 0 citation so as far as I know it could just be a fanfic or have random parts that were interpreted a specific way over another. Ideally Frostty's summary would have every assertion tied to a log

[eternal talon]

wdym "it could just be a fanfic" 😭

[lilac island]

Lol x3

[eternal talon]

me and like half-the people here including punk helped work on it

[lilac island]

CITE YOUR SOURCES >:33

[subtle verge]

His full summary is based on what's available in logs, and we've verified it.

[eternal talon]

too many, i literally all of them

[subtle verge]

We also have a very TL;DR short summary in the pins.

[eternal talon]

do you want me to cite every single one?

we used the timeline, wiki, faq, everything in our resources to make an easy to read and understand doc for people new to gtfo lore

and wanted a jumpstart

[lilac island]

yes no dw :p That's kind of why I got in here. I just wanted to verify against the community since I've missed a lot since 5 and 6, so I guess I'll go through all the logs and cite your summary myself

[eternal talon]

the "for dummies" doc was a community effort, i got 95% of the help researching it done by punk, duck, and a few others. i just wrote the thing.

[lilac island]

Its a good read :3 I'm just annoying and like to make sure everything has a source, ignore my comments xD

[subtle verge]

But please feel free to ask any specific questions outside of what's stated in any of the written summaries. Do keep in mind that you will see a lot of theory and speculation in here, but we do our best to make sure we mention if it's a theory/headcanon/>insert Always Sunny in Philly string board meme here<.

[eternal talon]

i mean that's understandable, there is ALOT of misinformation out there. youtube and reddit especially

[eternal talon]

^

[lilac island]

I was unironically going to buy a corkboard irl, pins, and string, and print out all of the logs lol

anyway tyty, I'll make sure to poke you guys if I have any more questions

[eternal talon]

no need. we have all of them in-order (as much as we can anyway) on the timeline

that's also in the pins

[subtle verge]

Indeed. The notion.so link in the pins is really, really, nice. Ray's been doing a good job maintaining it after Chase handed it over.

[eternal talon]

rayalot?

[subtle verge]

Yep.

[harsh saffron]

We have this log describing the size of the sinkhole and the official further use for it.
https://www.notion.so/Global-ramifications-of-privatizing-the-Merida-Sinkhole-1c4072216e51497293fe432803d63656
And this one Punk already mentioned where they seem to have at least enough dig sites because they have to give different names for them ("dig site 10F")
https://www.notion.so/Found-it-93af7421498545bda4a6fe13fb645687
But after scrolling through the logs really fast, I haven't found any more logs where other mining operations are mentioned besides the one from R2

huh thats neat, you can remove the embeds for stuff 👍

[finite vine]

The public knows that there is a mining operation at the chicxulub crater, being run by santonian mining industries. What the public does not know, is that a secret research facility called Garganta also exists inside the crater, coexisting with the mining operation.

Garganta is a research lab built inside the mine.

[solar nova]

Well, it has mining and research facilities.

Which matches the environment splitting.

If the energy blasts were drilling to the surface, I'm surprised large areas aren't completely underwater, actually.

I guess they just didn't construct anything under the ocean (and probably not that practical, either).

[subtle verge]

To be fair, not all of the Chicxulub impact zone is near water enough to be a big concern.

For example:

But I'm not entirely sure where exactly Garganta is located.

[solar nova]

Oh, that's a lot more of it accessible from land than I thought.

In that case, I'd probably just guess that they would avoid the water no matter what.

Maybe some small, sectioned off areas are flooded.

[subtle verge]

That'd be my guess, or they have some form of pump/cycling system in the event.

[solar nova]

True, if they were working for a while after they might have taken steps to cut off flooding and reclaim parts of the complex.

The floodways probably already has the infrastructure to remove water from most of the complex, given I understand its functions.

[eternal talon]

one of the logs talk about an issue at pump #14

[small bobcat]

they do also have a network of floodways, unless theyre for rains

[solar nova]

They're probably for rain and just excess water, but chances are there's some kind of pump mechanism involved so that water doesn't just pool down there.

[eternal talon]

How far down is d2 though?

Wouldn't it be waaaay too far down for it to be for rain?

[smoky sigil]

pipe leaks

but what's weirder for me

is that B1 is closer to the surface than A1

because the room numbers are lower

so is B2

[quick grove]

Don't question the warden

[smoky sigil]

ok

[quick grove]

The warden task us things and he sends us to strange places

Don't question or something bad might happen

[smoky sigil]

isn't C2 higher up than C1

D1 is higher up than all of C tier

[full hull]

Why are you still questioning

[smoky sigil]

this game is literally unplayable

[full hull]

YOU are literally unplayable

[frozen inlet]

😐

[smoky sigil]

yea

i cant be played

[full hull]

This is true

[eternal talon]

Could be a downwards slope in terms of tunnels. B1 could be lower yes, but closer to one of the primary entrances.

[subtle verge]

We get thrown around in different locations of Garganta. It's not always a straight descent to a further level with progressing expeditions.

Gotta remember that Garganta is a massive cone shape.

[smoky sigil]

poo

[solar nova]

This doesn't seem to be how room numbers work.

Zones are repeated, and seem to be a local identification, not a global one.

The listed depth on the expedition description is the true depth.

[agile plinth]

wdym gtfo has no bugs

[analog frigate]

it's the city of Merida

iirc around 5km away from it

[analog frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/844602463654248488/866888926781898772/sinkholezoomout2.png

[analog frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/844602463654248488/866888862495670312/unknown.png

pictures by gravy btw ^

[eternal talon]

it's in a village NEAR the city of merida

[analog frigate]

the next message corrects it

[eternal talon]

ah

my bad

[analog frigate]

np

[eternal talon]

the name of the village is Lxil

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixil_(Yucatán)

the marker is almost dead center of this town

when was the mayan flea demon thing?

do we have a date for it?

[full hull]

It happened 3 times, most recent was right about when concuistidors arrived

[eternal talon]

i'm trying to see if this relates.

[analog frigate]

well i don't think the article means anything but the mayans were around 2000BC

[eternal talon]

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilam_Balam

[full hull]

It could, Mayan texts would be written when the Mayans existed which was when the Mayan flea was a thing

[eternal talon]

"Chilam Balam is the name of several books that relate historical facts and circumstances of the Mayan civilization. Written in Mayan language, by anonymous characters, during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, in the Yucatan Peninsula. To that name is added the name of the town where they were written, for example, the Chilam Balam of Chumayel, etc."

[analog frigate]

they were written in the 16th/17th century

the mayans died off around 800 years before that

at least the maya civilization

[eternal talon]

"The books of the Chilam Balam were written before the Spanish conquest. During the colonial era, most of the writings and vestiges of the Mayan religion were destroyed by spanish Catholic missionaries, considering that such vestiges represented pagan influences and therefore harmful to the catechization of the Maya. The Chilam Balam books were written by the Mayans after the conquest, presumably propitiated by the Europeans, so that in their writing the influence of Spanish culture is already noticeable, especially in religious matters."

they were written by mayans

which is why i ask, when was the flea demon thing the mayans wrote about?

this is a bit big, to be a coincidence

they pick the coordinates of garganta to be that of a large village that just so happened to exist from mayan times, and just so happened to have a famous historical record

then they just so happen to describe a sleeper outbreak in mayan times

[harsh saffron]

“Where did the Mayans go?” - Our Earth magazine 9/25/43

A new theory regarding the sudden demise of Mayan culture has been presented by Dr. Yvette Hernandez at the Anthropology Forum convention. Dr. Hernandez’s research posits that the Mayans were almost completely wiped out several times by an illness they referred to as “Flea Demons”. Though the interpretation of hieroglyphic stelae leaves much room for interpretation, Dr. Hernandez believes she has discovered conclusive references to mass deaths related to the illness on three separate occasions, right up to the 16th century during the occupation of Mayan territory by the Spanish Conquistadors…

This one? 👆

[eternal talon]

yeah

up to the 16th century? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[eternal talon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i think we have a hook here

we're gonna have to dig deeper into these historical texts

[analog frigate]

how exactly would they be useful

[eternal talon]

we don't know yet. which is why you look

so see if it leads to anything useful

not that it is useful itself

it's a lead.

@harsh saffron what are you thinking?

[harsh saffron]

Catch me if you can is a good movie, just watched it
pretty sure its not a coincidence ^^

[eternal talon]

https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/13120850

research.. at what cost..

[harsh saffron]

worth

[eternal talon]

you can buy it then, i'ma keep searching online for a pdf transcript of what i can

technology

[harsh saffron]

if you figure out the entire lore before the end, maybe you can ask 10cc for a refund

[eternal talon]

why the fuck does amazon have a copy

i'm seriously gonna need help researching this

this.. why is it so hard to find 4,000 year old sacred texts on google?

[harsh saffron]

hire Nicolas Cage

to steal the original texts

[eternal talon]

we need all hands on deck to research this book

to see if we can find ANYTHING

[full hull]

Want me to ask some weebs if they have the epubs

[eternal talon]

sure

[full hull]

I'm gonna type out the name here to copy and paste is easier

[eternal talon]

Chilam Balam of Ixil

[full hull]

Chilam Balam of Ixil: Facsimile and Study of an Unpublished Maya Book

[eternal talon]

@dull crest are we digging too deep?

or not deep enough

fuck a shovel, i've got a full CAT digger out here

[harsh saffron]

Calle: "I need all of you to buy this book rn."

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/renée-slater-excavator-gif-22103924

[full hull]

Should we start a go-fund-me to buy that book?

I'll donate a good 30$

[eternal talon]

i'm sure there is a PDF out there SOMEWHERE

[full hull]

Found it

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331234115_Chilam_Balam_of_Ixil_Facsimile_and_Study_of_an_Unpublished_Maya_Book

[harsh saffron]

ez

[eternal talon]

that doesn't include everything

just table of contents

i found it a bit ago

[full hull]

No?

I'm downloading it right now

[eternal talon]

hope you don't get a virus

my man

bring us the lores

[full hull]

Fuck you were right

Just table or contents

[eternal talon]

we gotta keep digging

[full hull]

Ok so

I found book of chilam Balam of chunayel

[eternal talon]

different village, sadly

[full hull]

Not Balam of ixil

Darn

[eternal talon]

these books are apparently a series

each major village had their own unique book

"Each large village wrote its own book, so there is the Chilam Balam of several localities. Among the most important are the following:

Chilam Balam of Chumayel, the most complete and perhaps the most important. There are versions in several languages, and those made by Peret and Le Clézio (in French), by Ralph L. Roys (in English) and by Antonio Mediz Bolio (in Spanish) stand out.3​
Chilam Balam of Kaua, which was part of the collection of William E. Gates.
Chilam Balam of Ixil
Chilam Balam of Peanuts
Chilam Balam de Nah (in the municipality of Teabo). It contains data on Mayan herbalism. It is similar to Kaua's and along with it was part of the collection of William E. Gates. It contains medical material that was translated by Ralph L. Roys into English and published in 1931.4​
Chilam Balam of Tekax
Chilam Balam of Tizimin
Chilam Balam of Tusik
Chilam Balam of Yaxkukul"

apparently there is a village in the yucatan named peanuts. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maní_(Yucatán)

[full hull]

Very important to the lore

@native shell are we wasting our time or is this book extremely important to the lore?

[eternal talon]

well i mean fuck, it's really the only thing noteable about this village

and that of all places is where the devs decided to place garganta

so it must mean something

[full hull]

DISCOVERY

[eternal talon]

this is the ENTIRE Wikipedia page

[full hull]

Amazon has the book for only 40 bucks

Much cheaper

[eternal talon]

this book is either going to be literally everything, or literally nothing

[full hull]

I will not say which is more likely

Im having issues clicking the right link but this may be it

http://davidsbooks.org/

[eternal talon]

it is

[full hull]

THIS IS IT

[eternal talon]

but there is a probolem

[full hull]

I HAVE IT

[eternal talon]

problem

[full hull]

Oh?

[eternal talon]

it's all in ancient mayan

[full hull]

What's the problem

[eternal talon]

no english

[full hull]

Hmmm

[eternal talon]

http://davidsbooks.org/www/Maya/Ixil.pdf

[full hull]

Whelp

Time to study

We gotta learn Mayan for the lore

[eternal talon]

but certainly far closer!

[full hull]

Very worth it

[eternal talon]

we actually have a book now!

fantastic find

[full hull]

Time to type to book into Google translate word by word

[eternal talon]

if it works, it works

though it'll likely be a bit hard

it looks like most of the text is faded

though given it's 4,000 years old,

it only makes sense.

[full hull]

Issue

Google translate does not have maya

Ok uh

How much do you think it would cost to hire someone to translate this?

Do you think we can have 10 chambers pay for it?

Write it off as a business expense or something

[harsh saffron]

around 224$ 🙂

[full hull]

Was that even translated?

[harsh saffron]

I thought that was the point

[harsh saffron]

thats literally the "chad vs virgin" meme

[eternal talon]

it's the full thing, it's just in a language nobody here understands

@full hull there are some other translators i'm sure, that might have maya

if translators have latin, some should have maya

[full hull]

True

Hmmm

The lack of contact from calle MUST mean we are on the right track

[eternal talon]

they are offline

[harsh saffron]

or that hes eating dinner

[full hull]

To throw us off obviously

[eternal talon]

i would think they would stop us if we were about to spend $200 on a useless book

or i would hope so

[full hull]

They would probably just laugh

Anyway does Duolingo have Mayan?

[eternal talon]

no idea

i don't use it.

[full hull]

https://www.ats-group.net/learning/language-learn-mayan.html

Ok

We have the book and a way to learn the language

Let's go

[eternal talon]

skyrope! fantastic, help us investigate this lead

re-read chat over the last half-hour

to get yourself up to speed

[full hull]

No need I'll catch them up

[finite vine]

Yea I don’t think 10 Chambers would pay for this lol

[full hull]

We found the book that contains all the lore(very likely)

Only issue is it's in mayan

[dull crest]

I don’t know, Simon doesn’t tell me anything!

[eternal talon]

http://davidsbooks.org/www/Maya/Ixil.pdf

[harsh saffron]

Relatable

[eternal talon]

question, does simon seem insane enough to use ancient mayan texts as inspiration?

[full hull]

You think 10 chambers could pay for this book for us calle?

[dull crest]

Eh, why? 🙂

[full hull]

It's probably important for the lore

Maybe

If not then it's time to learn mayan

[eternal talon]

some of these pages are eerily creepy.

[finite vine]

I think the only relation to gtfo lore and the mayans is that the mayans were located near the chixulub crater. I honestly don’t think you could find out much by buying, translating, and reading that book. I don’t think it would hurt to look into it though.

[dull crest]

So would 10C buy the book for you? 😉

[eternal talon]

dude. read why we are looking into this book

[full hull]

For everyone

It was a PDF

I think

[eternal talon]

garganta is in ixil. this is the only noteable thing about this super ancient town

and the timeline matches up

with the flea demons mayan thing

[dull crest]

Aren’t we all sometimes?

[eternal talon]

i dunno, ancient mayan texts are a bit specific.

[finite vine]

Are you reading into the book to see if there is a mention of an event similar to the flea demons?

[full hull]

https://www.translate.com/english-yucatec_maya

I found a translator

[eternal talon]

anything in general.

that could give us hints about gtfo lore

[full hull]

7 cents a word isn't that bad of a rate I think

[eternal talon]

thats from english TO mayan

[full hull]

It does both

[harsh saffron]

I love the idea of Simon trying to justify the purchase of ancient mayan texts and language classes to the rest of the office ^^

"Guys I need that for the lore!"

[finite vine]

Yea it might give us some insight, but you know, there is not actually a deadly virus within the meteor of the chixulub crater.

[full hull]

I would be very happy to know that my purchase went towards teaching Simon mayan

[eternal talon]

you don't know that

[eternal talon]

lol

same

[full hull]

Really? I thought GTFO actually happened

[eternal talon]

this is fiction?

[full hull]

Or was a prediction of the future

We will know in ~10 years

[harsh saffron]

Looking forward to it 👀

[eternal talon]

wtf is "virgo"

[finite vine]

srry I’m pretty sure that GTFO is fiction.

[full hull]

It is

[full hull]

Mayan Viagra

Ok here me out

I'm gonna dig this rabbit hole deeper

[eternal talon]

all the other names make sense

[full hull]

http://www.santonianindustries.com/ has a contact email right?

[full hull]

What if we have to write an email that could be written in universe using information contained in this book to the sanatonian contact email

Voicing concerns or the like about sanatonian's actions in Ixil

[eternal talon]

simon isn't Cicada 3301

[full hull]

Then Simon himself will reply with more lore in the form of an in universe email response

This is how we find out the lore

This is how we are meant to ask questions about the lore

But first we need to translate this

Im getting on a flight soon and I think I know what I'm gonna do during it

[eternal talon]

download the pdf and translate?

[full hull]

Yes

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[full hull]

Until I board im gonna try and find resources to help

https://www.translate.com/dictionary/yucatec_maya-english

[subtle verge]

Right, I more meant I don't know exactly where it would be located within that general area.

Edit: on the map.

[eternal talon]

we do. we know exactly where it is

it's lxil

https://earth.google.com/web/search/21°08'57"n+89°29'32"w/@21.1491667,-89.4922222,7.11014817a,977.42139228d,35y,0h,45t,0r/data=ClsaMRIrGfkm8skvJjVAIV_XipGAX1bAKhcyMcKwMDgnNTcibiA4OcKwMjknMzIidxgCIAEiJgokCZHOLauJX0hAEVYRRPZAK0hAGWfbZ9oRpF7AIfmM4VQk217AKAI

@subtle verge this map may help you more

it's in a village outside of merida, called ixil

[harsh saffron]

They say that they took over Chixulub, so maybe Ixil doesnt exist anymore after the earthquake

[solar nova]

Probably part of the "sinkhole."

[harsh saffron]

Caller
They got these explorations right? They are digging into something down near Chicxulub.
Host
Chicxulub, that’s the town they took over right?
Caller
Yeah well this town and that big crater right? Down in the Yucatan.

[eternal talon]

right down this road is the end of the earth

[harsh saffron]

hm, the coordinates for the sinkhole are directly at the center of Chicxulub

The Merida earthquake of March 2049 created a sinkhole (DMS 21°08'08"N 89°31'01"W) 1.3 miles across at its widest point, with a depth measurement of 79 meters at the nadir.

[eternal talon]

blue is the coords for garganta

that is chicxulub, town they took over.

so yeah, ixil could have been leveled from earthquakes.

[full hull]

Ok I want to confirm before I start this

How likely is this to give us any lore

If I translate this book

[eternal talon]

i'd say about 30-35%

[solar nova]

2%

[harsh saffron]

5%

[full hull]

30%? Damm that's alot more than I was giving it

[eternal talon]

where's your guys' optimism

[full hull]

And everyone else is saying there's a chance?

I'm in

Alternatively we could all go in on paying for a professional translation

[eternal talon]

that, is a bit too much.

[full hull]

7 cents a word

[harsh saffron]

I mean, the most I would expect is that we learn about some inspiration for the history of that place before we get a log

[eternal talon]

yeah

i don't think paying a professional would be worth it given it's just video game lore

[harsh saffron]

but I can't say I that I call that worth the trouble ^^

[eternal talon]

we aren't searching for the holy grail

[full hull]

Yeah but you probably would become famous in the community as the person to figure out the lore

And Simon might say good job

[eternal talon]

if i'm honest with you, it's basically just us 6-7 in here

[full hull]

Exactly

Famous among 7 people

That's enough

[eternal talon]

we are the lore people, not many really care other than us

[full hull]

Anyway I'm gonna get translating

[eternal talon]

just me, merv, punk, duck, daraxus, lilliana (though i haven't seen them recently), rayalot, and a couple others i'm probably forgetting

it's so small of a group, the GTFO-LORE community you could list us all by memory.

[harsh saffron]

already forgot skyrope after 20 minutes

[eternal talon]

😆

i have memory issues, okay?

[harsh saffron]

^^

pretty sure there are more that are interested, I didn't write anything in here for a long time because its basically a set group of ppl and you are the only person not involved,; can be pretty discouraging to make the first step

[full hull]

Ok so starting off I can't translate a word on the first page

This is due to the fact it's too faded to read

Off to a great start

I think it's just describing the moon phases anyway

So it's fine

Second page is the Chad meme page, text is pretty faded but I think I can translate some of it

Gimme a long minute

Minor issue

Does Mayan use the same alphabet?

[eternal talon]

i don't know

[solar nova]

No, wouldn't really make sense for them to use the Latin alphabet.

[eternal talon]

it looks like a translation in some latinized language

care to have a look @solar nova>

?

see if you can identify it

http://davidsbooks.org/www/Maya/Ixil.pdf

given it calls a crab "cancer" it might be latin

[full hull]

Latin might work

It translates the virgo from earlier to virgin

Which makes sense when you look at the picture

[solar nova]

Latin appears to fit the sentence structure.

[full hull]

Hmmm

[eternal talon]

Latin would be SIGNIFICANTLY easier to translate

[full hull]

Extremely easier

Which is funny because Latin is still very hard to translate

[solar nova]

Or, I should say it doesn't look like any other language I recognize.

[full hull]

Do you recognize Mayan?

Also how much Latin do you know?

[solar nova]

None.

[full hull]

Darn

[eternal talon]

https://www.translate.com/latin-english

[full hull]

I was gonna ask if henero translated to anything

It translates to henero

So no

Ok new plan

I type it into Google translate and use the auto detect language

[eternal talon]

maybe

[full hull]

OBVIOUSLY this document got translated into many different languages

[eternal talon]

i dunno

[full hull]

Varying from word to word

[haughty badge]

warden bot is a .8 now

[solar nova]

v1.WRDN.8

[full hull]

I really hope its Latin because then that makes pages 2 and 3 a virgin and Chad meme

[harsh saffron]

hmmmmmm

[full hull]

Which would explain everything

The lore of GTFO is based off an ancient virgin Chad meme

Wait no?

Hang on what language translated it to virgin

Oh interesting

[solar nova]

The evidence for chad theory was here all along.

[full hull]

Capitalization matters

Ok I gotta retype some words now

[eternal talon]

wtf?

[full hull]

We just didn't know where to look

[full hull]

What happens when it hits 10?

[eternal talon]

i thought it'd stop at 7, so who the hell knows

[harsh saffron]

@eternal talon told you it would go up to 100 just for fun 🙂

I would have preferred to be wrong tho

[full hull]

Ok so based on the fact I can't actually figure out what language this is in I'm gonna go with the fact that GTFO is an elaborate virgin Chad meme

[harsh saffron]

Sounds reasonable

[full hull]

First one translates to virgin and the second one LOOKS like the spitting image of the Chad meme

Although the only translation I could get for the heading of the second was textile using some random language

[solar nova]

W8, is this where the chad meme came from?

[full hull]

Maybe

[solar nova]

It's almost too close.

[full hull]

Hang on

I found another word that roughly translates to society

When I ran muluk through the translator for Mayan it gave me societyuk

I'm starting to think this entire book is just a giant shitpost

I think we found the world's first meme posting forums

[solar nova]

We're looping.

[full hull]

It's mayan 4chan

Ok ok ok here me out

Mayan civilization was around the start of time

And time ends around 2060ish

And the flea demons stuff was around the beginning of time

Flea demons and sleepers and such

And when time ends it loops

And around the looping time it kinda bleeds

This is what's allowing sleepers to reappear at the end despite only existing in the beginning

[eternal talon]

no time travel

[full hull]

Why not?

[eternal talon]

devs said so

no zombies either

[full hull]

Hmm

No zombies?

[eternal talon]

sleepers aren't zombies.

[full hull]

What's the difference?

[eternal talon]

reanimation

[full hull]

Is it that the infected person never died before becoming a zombie

That's kinda interesting

[eternal talon]

the parasite takes over the host

not ressurects it.

[full hull]

Parasite theory isn't confirmed but yeah

I'm gonna go back to translating the words I can most make out

Ok I found another word that translates

nam from NAM-V translates to inteligerno

Which sounds Italian

[eternal talon]

i hiiiiighly doubt it would mention nam-v.

this is a real historic doccument

[full hull]

I just put nam through the Mayan to English translator

inteligerno sounds Italian which means the Italians were behind NAM-V

[eternal talon]

this page is literally entirely sunbleached

[full hull]

THIS EXPLAINS SCOUTS AND THEIR PASTA HEADS

[eternal talon]

please try to be serious

we are messing with actual historic texts of a dead civilization

[full hull]

Do you have a number? My PDF reader has some higher contrast options

[eternal talon]

have a little respect, please

page 1r

[full hull]

What I'm pulling from here has nothing to do with that book

I literally just translated nam from NAM-V from Mayan to English

[eternal talon]

but why?

what language is this??

it is so hard to translate

nothing is working

[full hull]

Yeah

I tried Latin and Mayan and neither works consistently

Also this is the highest contrast I could get for that page

[eternal talon]

it's too bleached and worn to read.

[full hull]

I can take a more zoomed in screenshot if needed

[eternal talon]

all the text has faded over the centuries

[full hull]

Looking at the text size and positioning I think it was like a title page

Or denoted basically a new chapter

I can make out chilam

[analog frigate]

it appears you need some help with the image

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate we need help translating, in general

[analog frigate]

could you send me the original one though?

[analog frigate]

aight

[eternal talon]

http://davidsbooks.org/www/Maya/Ixil.pdf

@analog frigate

[full hull]

We need help in general

Both translating this and mentally

[analog frigate]

seems about right

just a moment then

it's mayan right?

[eternal talon]

we don't know

[full hull]

Maybe

[solar nova]

It's latin characters.

[full hull]

We have yet to find a language that translates consistently

[solar nova]

so the language is ambiguous.

[eternal talon]

but latin translations aren't working

[analog frigate]

any signs on the language group?

germanic, latin ect?

[eternal talon]

i sent you the link

[solar nova]

Latin characters aren't Latin, btw.

[eternal talon]

def latin based.

[solar nova]

English uses Latin characters.

[analog frigate]

that's germanic

[full hull]

Are we sure it's Germanic?

[analog frigate]

no

[eternal talon]

i recognize letters

[analog frigate]

give me a sec and i'll tell you

[full hull]

I can't make out any non Latin characters

[analog frigate]

it's not about the alphabet that is used

[solar nova]

^

[analog frigate]

first we need to know the language group, then the actual language

[full hull]

True

[eternal talon]

this book is 4,000 years old

[analog frigate]

for example, english, saxon, old english, norwegian, finnish, polish ect are germanic

but aren't that similar

[eternal talon]

this is the only copy we were able to find that isn't $200+

[full hull]

Wrong

[solar nova]

W8, no, that's not possible.

2,000 BC wouldn't have the Latin alphabet.

[full hull]

We did find that same $200 book for $40 on Amazon

I don't think this is the original translation

[eternal talon]

the books of chilam balam were written in the 16th century

[eternal talon]

me neither, but it's the best we got.

[full hull]

Because the original translation would have been Mayan

[solar nova]

Ah, that's what you mean.

[full hull]

Unless one of us coughs up $40+shipping

[analog frigate]

yeah, latin was around after 800 BC or so

so we'll need to identify any special characters

Ä, Ñ, Ķ, Š and so on

[full hull]

Actually maybe this is the original translation

As if it was translated it probably would have been cleaned up abit

[eternal talon]

if it was written by the mayans, this would have to be a spanish translation

but it isn't as far as i can tell

[analog frigate]

not modern day spanish at least

[full hull]

Good point

[analog frigate]

it uses Ś

[full hull]

Some kind of old Spanish would make sense

[analog frigate]

Í

[full hull]

If would explain the overlap with latin I found

[analog frigate]

yeah this appears like a derivative or some precursor of modern spanish

[eternal talon]

whelp, anybody know any ancient spanish?

[analog frigate]

not yet

[full hull]

There's gotta be a translator that does

[eternal talon]

or what that form of spanish was even called?

we have to know what to search for before we can search for it

[full hull]

Colonial Spanish maybe?

[analog frigate]

no

some language of the castilian group

or a bit of a wider spectrum, western romance

it seems like a ibero-romantic language

aragonese seems like a possibility

[full hull]

That or maybe asturleon as a random guess

[analog frigate]

try it out

[shut mountain]

[analog frigate]

doubt the british have anything to do with it

[frail pollen]

[eternal talon]

no, definitely not

eight?

[shut mountain]

🎱

[full hull]

Is the book we are research in any way related to the lore or are we on a wild goose chase?

[eternal talon]

doc will not just go out and tell us

[full hull]

Might as well ask

[eternal talon]

the last time he said something specific, he removed it because people kept @ ing him

[subtle verge]

🕗

[full hull]

Still you never know, gotta atleast try

[eternal talon]

we are more than likely on our own translating these texts.

[full hull]

Besides even if they say we are on a wild goose chase I'll disregard it as them trying to throw us off the trail

[eternal talon]

it's even harder to get a translation for these dead, unknown languages.

[analog frigate]

bezucunexe vaicintaletae tuyamah thamil cayuon uhial inhokzioex vehil ppentacllie vanilex ?cahanac? aboticex patan caix yana cex

here's a partition to use

[eternal talon]

not even knowing if it's the right one

[subtle verge]

Side note: more Rascal pics in #pet-pics when?

[full hull]

You actually managed to find a fully legible part of the wordy section?

Niiiice

[analog frigate]

so it's close to latin due to it's use of a precursor word of pentacle

[analog frigate]

yeah we haven't been getting any recently and it's worrying

[finite vine]

the wrdn is playing v1.WRDN.8 now

[analog frigate]

i can get more but i don't see why

if you want i will

[finite vine]

I think that’s why doc said eight

[eternal talon]

right now we just need to find the language first

[analog frigate]

probably

[eternal talon]

then we can translate and search through the thing

for relevant info

[analog frigate]

first we need to see the text and determine it

[full hull]

We are busy with something else right now

We can worry about WRDN later

[analog frigate]

i'll work on getting it as normal text while you'll have to find the language group

[eternal talon]

how the fuck we do that?

[analog frigate]

check the words' family trees and etymology

for example, ppentacllie

[shut mountain]

💀 Just hit up your local linguistics teacher

ez

[analog frigate]

some version of pentacle, so cores in latin

[analog frigate]

yeah but i don't have one :(

[full hull]

I don't have the money to hire one

[eternal talon]

what's a linguistics teacher?

[full hull]

You know what, I might just spend $40 to order the actual hopefully translated book

[analog frigate]

languages

there is one?

[solar nova]

Bro, just email someone at a university.

[analog frigate]

they probably would have it yeah

[full hull]

You first

I'm busy probably wasting $40

[shut mountain]

I can email mine lmao

[analog frigate]

go ahead

i'll give you a page of the text

[eternal talon]

i think that's probably a bad idea

what if it's just another copy of this?

[shut mountain]

But it probably does not have to do with latin. Way too far apart and secluded to be close to latin, you have to go a lot further back, and language trees a lot of times do not give you an accurate representation of the languages cause they use an implication system.

Used on the base vocabulary of a language

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain here is the entire book http://davidsbooks.org/www/Maya/Ixil.pdf

[analog frigate]

it's some 15th century text most likely by conquistadors

[full hull]

Ok so it is but researching buying it I did get useful info

[analog frigate]

unless it's actually some south american language

although those are more hieroglyphic

at least some

[eternal talon]

well it did say it was written originally by the mayans

so this could just be a copy of a copy

[full hull]

I matched up some pages and the translations were the same so I can confirm this is the Spanish version

[analog frigate]

hopefully the first page gives some insight

[shut mountain]

Mayans used symbols, not letters. So I'd be careful with the transcript.

[eternal talon]

the first, and most of the pages are burned, torn, and badly stained.

[analog frigate]

doesn't stop me though

[shut mountain]

It might not be accurate at all for all we know, or since it's a lowkey translation the original intent behind it could be gone like with all translations. feel free to go ahead thou lmaooo

I had my fair share of linguistics in university, dont wanna do that in my freetime

[full hull]

Fair enough

[analog frigate]

yeah it could be direct and not meaningful

[full hull]

Also this is probably the same version Simon would have used so it's fine even if it's not direct

Unless Simon found and translated the original version

[eternal talon]

or just bought something already translated

[full hull]

If we still believe this is at all lore relevant

[eternal talon]

i do.

[full hull]

Aight

[eternal talon]

why else would garganta be in the middle of nowhere?

[full hull]

It's fun so I'll keep trying

[analog frigate]

it's not

[shut mountain]

This is yucatec mayan right?

[eternal talon]

ixil is an ancient village

[eternal talon]

yes. the coords for garganta are this village

[full hull]

Spanish actually

[analog frigate]

it's in a sinkhole which gave an opportunity to build a mine in

[full hull]

It matches up to the copy available for purchase which claims to be in spanish

[analog frigate]

which somehow happened right where the village was, so i don't see the need to be specific

[shut mountain]

Can ya link me the book pls, the spanish one

[eternal talon]

even if the village is gone, this is where it was. and it just so happens to have an ancient text from the same time the game says the mayans encountered the flea demons

[shut mountain]

Im curious how they were trying to translate a language that does not have an alphabet

[eternal talon]

it isn't much, but it's probably something at least.

[full hull]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/6074610827/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_FVPDZ84V1YVZ09SJWNKD here it is on amazon

And from the preview pages it matches up with the PDF

[analog frigate]

how would a sinkhole have something to do with a theory on how the mayans died?

[eternal talon]

not the sinkhole, the place.

[analog frigate]

yeah but it's the sinkhole that was the reason it was built there

[eternal talon]

garganta was built above the meteor. garganta was built where this village was

[shut mountain]

Its noted that "Chicxulub" in itself means the devil's flea, right?

[eternal talon]

the mayans encountered sleepers.

[shut mountain]

In yucatan mayan

[eternal talon]

it was this village.

[analog frigate]

maybe a second meteorite lol

[shut mountain]

Nah

Thats what the name literally means

Chicxulub = The Devil's Flea

[analog frigate]

yeah i know

[shut mountain]

Also calculate it that sometimes news articles even irl throw up buzz-words or twist the truth around

[analog frigate]

https://mediateca.inah.gob.mx/repositorio/islandora/object/codice%3A1154#page/1/mode/2up btw here's a coloured one

[full hull]

So your saying the Mayans are a red herring?

Can't be

[shut mountain]

Im not saying the mayans are red herrings

[analog frigate]

who knows

[shut mountain]

im saying the mayan flea demons could be it

A lot of ancient cultures died cause of the westerners coming in

[eternal talon]

something as obscure as that, has to be in the game for a reason

c'mon

[shut mountain]

And spreading viruses that their bodies were not used to

These people were demons with their guns

[full hull]

Also this book is the only info we have on the location gargantuan was built in no?

[shut mountain]

Shoot them down, spread their virus...etc. Calculate this in as well. For an ancient civilisation like the mayan, this is important.

[full hull]

It showed up twice before westerners came over

[analog frigate]

good point, conquistadors were seen as demons by the natives

iirc a punishment for all their bad deeds

but that depends on the religion

[full hull]

The third time it happened did coincide with westerners coming over though

[eternal talon]

FANTASTIC FIND! THIS HAS EVEN MORE PAGES!

[analog frigate]

i literally just googled the name

[eternal talon]

so did we, for like a half-hour lol

[analog frigate]

https://arqueologiamexicana.mx/mexico-antiguo/el-chilam-balam-de-ixil

here's the article about it

[full hull]

How far did you scroll?

[analog frigate]

it was a collection of the bishop of yucatan, Crescencio Carrillo y Ancona

[analog frigate]

still on the first page

[eternal talon]

i personally went through like 9 pages..

i went through bing, medic used google

[analog frigate]

the book was part of a spanish lord's collection, it uses european paper

it was originally in yucatec maya

but the version we are seeing appears to be just spanish

[full hull]

There's an English version

[analog frigate]

or a dialect

https://bruknow.library.brown.edu/discovery/fulldisplay/alma991043344257806966/01BU_INST:BROWN

here's the study

[eternal talon]

so how do we read the book?

did it say how to translate it?

[analog frigate]

it's spanish

or yucatec maya

so we know the language

[eternal talon]

spanish translations didn't work though

[analog frigate]

then let me source the english or spanish study on it

[eternal talon]

by all means

[analog frigate]

it's a part of tje early americas, history and culture, volume 7

issue is, you either have to buy it or be a uni student of stanford

or brown

[eternal talon]

so we have to translate it ourselves?

[analog frigate]

so i'll have to use some ~~interesting ~~legitimate methods

[eternal talon]

?

[subtle verge]

Brill variant?

Who are the authors/editors

[analog frigate]

here you go

scroll down for the translation and analysis

[subtle verge]

Oh, you already found it. I was going to help with my sources.

[eternal talon]

how did you get this?

[analog frigate]

dark magic

[eternal talon]

scary

[analog frigate]

well i have some connections

[eternal talon]

like?

[analog frigate]

[subtle verge]

finger guns
Honor among thieves.

[eternal talon]

i'm so confused

[analog frigate]

just enjoy the translated study

don't question it

[full hull]

He translated it himself

Duh

[analog frigate]

i'm a quick typer

[eternal talon]

i'm thinking he broke the law

[subtle verge]

You'd be surprised how much is out there on a public domain.

Not illegal, but more of a.. grey area.

[eternal talon]

you see, that, that makes sense

but he said it was a university piece

[analog frigate]

laws here don't say anything about that stuff

thankfully

[full hull]

Rule of thumb is you can always find a free version of any book

[subtle verge]

^ Exactly.

[analog frigate]

like every book

here at least

[full hull]

Every single book

If there's a digital copy of it then there's a free copy

You just gotta look in the right places

[subtle verge]

There are some countries where law dictates that any college study based on history, maths, and science must include a free variant for general public use.

[full hull]

Say your trying to read some light novel, the discord for that series will almost always have a link to the epubs

Or there's active members who can send you them

[analog frigate]

and that's where having connections helps

[subtle verge]

Now, that free variant can omit certain information, of course, but that's another topic.

[full hull]

Yeah

Ok now to read that study and then write an in universe email to sanation

Has anyone here actually tried emailing sanatonian?

[harsh saffron]

pretty sure ppl did that in the past yeah

[analog frigate]

a lot

[solar nova]

^

[full hull]

Aight

[eternal talon]

you can really tell this is old

[full hull]

The Mayans cured asthma

So advanced

[eternal talon]

also cure death, apparently

[full hull]

To relate that to lore

[eternal talon]

i'm still searching

for anything really relavant

[full hull]

Mayans basically gave people NAM-V turning them into sleepers which prevented aging or something and curing death

We should probably save some key terms from this to check if they show up later

What is neonate?

[quick grove]

Tf is that thing that comes out their body

[full hull]

My guess is it's a snake biting them

That's what it looks like

[subtle verge]

By definition: an infant less than 4 weeks old.

By in-game standards: the neonate was a small container that held a small mass of flesh. I'm not well versed into the specifics of it.

[full hull]

Got it

[quick grove]

What

[full hull]

Combining thoose you get a small container that holds an infant less than 4 weeks old

[eternal talon]

garganta

[quick grove]

The complex

[eternal talon]

dunno. it's an illustration in this centuries old book

[quick grove]

Ay yo

I reckon we should all book plane tickets and go to this place

[eternal talon]

the yucatan?

[quick grove]

Yes

[eternal talon]

"To conclude, we should highlight the fact that the Chilam Balam books
existed thanks to the bravery of a literate, Yucatec Maya elite who, in order to
produce a manuscript such as the Ixil, took a risk by consulting books and other
works that were prohibited for the indigenous people. They also had to draw
up a summary, do a translation into Mayan and, furthermore, incorporate into
these works their own religious, botanical, medical and calendrical knowledge,
which were considered by the Spaniards to be idol worship and superstition.
Nevertheless, these texts were not written solely for the benefit of the elite; they
were conceived as books belonging to the community, and would indeed have
been read at assemblies or consulted by ordinary people, with the help of the
Maya intellectuals who compiled them."

[quick grove]

Fk

[toxic wagon]

Fk

[full hull]

Fk

[eternal talon]

Fk?

[full hull]

Fk

[finite vine]

I think the neonate hsu was an hsu that housed a neonate, or a 4 week old baby. not sure if it was just a hunk of flesh.

also this mayan stuff is quite interesting

[eternal talon]

re-reading the chat @finite vine?

rn i'm still looking through this book to see if i can find anything interesting

[quick grove]

Bruh i haven't woken up to so much stuff being discussed here

[eternal talon]

ancient mayan books and history

[finite vine]

yea

[quick grove]

Yep

[full hull]

Have we actually learned anything lore wise from the texts yet?

[eternal talon]

not yet, it's alot to go through

[full hull]

Either way this has been a fun way to spend my time

[eternal talon]

403 pages.

this pdf is massive

[eternal talon]

what did the "where did the mayans go?" log say explicitly?

what's up @craggy rapids?

i see you keep typing, but you don't post anything

[craggy rapids]

Simply pondering and a little lurking

[eternal talon]

oh don't worry, we ramble and go through info all the time

just last week we were researching sky and cloud formations

then before that, stars.

[eternal talon]

ty

[eternal talon]

this book has a retelling of the Christian tale of moses parting the sea.

[analog frigate]

it's highly catholic spain times

[eternal talon]

indeed

"Another cure for fever is the ix akab.71 Another remedy is to take one “libra”72
of unsalted tallow—melted animal fat without salt—and the tender flesh
of Castilian squash,73 and these shall be cooked and ground up together
with the medicine. Then the sick person shall be undressed and [the poultice] shall be vigorously rubbed onto the person for an hour. After this, [the
patient] shall be bathed with the following herbs cooked in water. Spread
the zuum leaf74 and the Castilian cane75 leaf onto the chacah76 and zizal77
leaves, thoroughly boil in water, and this will complete the treatment.
Cure for asthma = Asthma'

it goes to list various ailments and cures of the time

the first part of this sounds almost normal: "Cure for hiccupping = Hiccups
To stop the hiccups, hold the air in the nose tightly, covering nose and mouth
until there is no more air. The hiccups will go away quickly. Have an ah
tukub131 or locust, whose nature is to retain the air [in order to cure this problem.] Toast the locusts and place them in the drink of the person suffering
hiccups and this will provide the cure. The ah tukub or locust is naturally
good at jumping. This shall be drunk. = ="

corrupted blood?

"Cure for corrupted blood in all of the body = Cleaning the body’s blood =
Take six starflower139 leaves and place them on a plate and add two heaped
spoonfuls of honey. Then [it is necessary to] take out [the plate with the
starflower leaves] at sunset in the dew. It must not be placed in a temple.140
The person must eat in the morning up to ten plants in two days. Do not eat
too much honey before two hours have passed, and then a great miracle will
take place in the whole body. It will be unnecessary to let the blood on any
account. ="

what on earth is corrupted blood?

[analog frigate]

i'd imagine it's religion related

probably either somehow the blood of a sinner or diseased person

[eternal talon]

"Cure for insanity = loss of reason
Loosen and remove a testicle from the scrotum of a rooster145 and dissolve it
with a little cold water. Then [it must be] spread on the insane person, who
has 8,000 deities,146 and this will cure the problem. = ="

deities?

[analog frigate]

possibly a mis-translation

[eternal talon]

@solar nova

it's supposed to be a constellation.

that's what all these pages were. they were explaining the calendar

history is so fascinating

" The eleventh layer of the sky or the Eempirical sky was the most important as this was
where God and the saints were found. The stars were immovable in the firmament. The
text of the Ixil mixes together European and Maya concepts, as it is said that the stars are
above the sun and the earth is in the middle, not in the sky but in front of it."

[analog frigate]

ok but what does this have with the flea demon article?

[eternal talon]

nothing other than some of the strange diseases mentioned it would seem. the next segment of the book describes the world ending in 129 years dude to overpopulation, but that's about it.

i'm going to see if i can find more info on that "corrupted blood" thing

this is all this document says, in this regard

[quick grove]

"it will be unnecessary to let the blood on any account"

[analog frigate]

"it must not be placed in a temple"

it does seem religious of some kind

[eternal talon]

by "let the blood" i assume they mean bloodletting

[quick grove]

What does bloodletting mean

[eternal talon]

bleeding someone dry to cure an ailment

[quick grove]

Ah okay

[eternal talon]

sort of like leeches

but worse

do you think the mayans would worship the sleepers?

[analog frigate]

they could but not for long

[eternal talon]

the report does say there were multiple outbreaks over the course of time

[analog frigate]

yeah but we don't know what the outbreaks were

[quick grove]

So maybe they worshiped the sleepers

[eternal talon]

"the mayans were almost completely wiped out several times by an illness they referred to as "flea demons"."

[analog frigate]

how could've they

[hot burrow]

what the hell is going on in this chat?

[eternal talon]

i didn't say they did, merv, i asked if they could

[quick grove]

Because doesn't dauda say when he stuck a needle in the sleepers theres no blood just air is that just him imagining things

[eternal talon]

in all likelyhood, the sleepers would tear them to shreds before they got a chance TO worship them

[analog frigate]

people are starting to refer to religion which is not really gonna work out

[quick grove]

True

[quick grove]

Yes i agree

[eternal talon]

an ancient book

[analog frigate]

an ancient book of an indirect translation, mixed with catholic bias

[eternal talon]

"Libro de Chilam Balam de ixil"

[analog frigate]

yes?

[eternal talon]

oh, nothing. i was just posting the name

[eternal talon]

wdym refer to religion

[analog frigate]

these are ancient superstitious beliefs

[eternal talon]

yeah, but we are viewing them with modern eyes. same way 10c would if they used it for inspiration

[analog frigate]

i see how they could've used them to somehow add to the lore

but it doesn't really make sense

[eternal talon]

no, not really

the devs would have to make it make sense in the context of their universe' lore

it's not like the mayans can tell us what they meant

as far as i can tell though,

that's literally the only strange ailment in this entire book

everything else is relatively normal

cracked feet, lip sores, hiccupping, warts, thorns, hair loss, esc esc

[quick grove]

Oky then what is abnormal

[eternal talon]

oh, i dunno, CORRUPTED BLOOD

that's like, waaay out there compared to everything else in the book

granted, the cures are bizarre,

but that's the only ailment that isn't an actual thing.

in order, they are;

[quick grove]

Ah okay

[eternal talon]

Wasp Sting
Scorpion Sting
Swollen Genitals
Heatstroke
Fever
Asthma
Tuberculosis
vomiting
red gums
Fire ants
Tumor on the armpit
Syphilis
Ringworm
Hemorrhoids
Night-time fever
burns
Hiccuping

[eternal talon]

Lip sores
cracked feet
Warts
CORRUPTED BLOOD
thorns
insanity
hair loss
gunshot wound
sores
scrofula
smallpox
lice
heart disease
spleen
liver
blood flow
nose bleed
diarrhea
womb
malaria
dysnentery

[eternal talon]

urine suppression
fevers
indigestion
headache
sore eyes
earache
pus in urine
tenesmus
false pregnancy
stinging flesh

and a few others i probably missed

point being,

they are all (relatively) normal

[quick grove]

Bruh

Mods be looking at this and be like wtf

[eternal talon]

except the one that sounds like a video game debuff

[quick grove]

Lmao

[eternal talon]

so as for corrupted blood,

it's the best i got

[quick grove]

Debuff false pregnancy

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident

@quick grove

[quick grove]

Ah okay

[eternal talon]

i was making a reference

anyway,

as for corrupted blood, it doesn't exactly say what it is

just how to (supposedly) cure it

honestly, the entire reason we dug up this ancient book today was because there were too many coincidences to be plausible. and not knowing what corrupted blood is, i think the takeaway is that it may have something to do gtfo's lore, or gtfo's lore might have something to do with corrupted blood, atleast in the case of the mayans.

and even if not, if the devs come out and say that this was a red herring that somehow turned up something that could actually be relavant,

atleast we had fun digging through history

of some unknown and forgotten book

they say you die twice. once when you die, and once when your name is said for the last time. and in regards to these ancient mayans, even for completely unrelated reasons to why they wrote this book in the first place, it's still being used.

[quick grove]

[eternal talon]

hm?

[quick grove]

Idk man

This shits all confusion

[eternal talon]

what is?

do you want a step-by-step of how we got here?

[quick grove]

No

Im good

Wait

Yes maybe explain

Pls

[eternal talon]

we were looking at maps

of garganta's coords

it's ixil, yucatan

a small village

i look at their wiki page

apparently this is an ancient village that's been around for a verrry long time

and there is only like 4 things on their entire wiki page

this book being one of them

so we started digging into this book

the book was written in the 16th century or so

the same time in-game the log with mayan's flea demons is taking place supposedly

so the dates line up

that's why honestly i dug so deep personally

but quite a few people helped, like punk, daraxus, and medic

[quick grove]

Ah yes yes

[analog frigate]

btw if flea demons refers to a virus or something similar, it could just be the european colonists/conquistadors stuff

smallpox, variations of fevers

chickenpox possibly

ect

[eternal talon]

this book said smallpox though

idk if that's a translation from their word for it, or what

but if they didn't know what it was yet, idk why they would have a word for it

[analog frigate]

and hypothetically flea demons could actually refer to fleas, with demons being their interpretation due to superstitions (demons as in killed people due to those viruses spreading)

[eternal talon]

er, it had a cure for smallpox listed.

[analog frigate]

doesn't necessarily have to be smallpox

[eternal talon]

yeah, but the corrupted blood thing and fleas, it's a little interesting, even if it does turn out to be false.

[eternal talon]

it said smallpox though

[analog frigate]

it is quite interesting

[analog frigate]

what said smallpox, the book?

[eternal talon]

4 times

i used search function

also yee

the mayans had a "cure" for it

[analog frigate]

true, but that doesn't stop it from being other things

maybe they learnt of smallpox from colonists but the "flea demons" could be a separate thing

it's kinda one of those other things that if confirmed, explain a bunch of lore

since if we confirm it is let's say NAM-V

then we know that it doesn't cause sleepers

[eternal talon]

or the parasite, cus' fleas.

[analog frigate]

therefore explains a lot of the lore

[analog frigate]

possibly but we have no mention of sleepers

[eternal talon]

true

[analog frigate]

also how could've they gone out?

they are still stuck 2km underground

[eternal talon]

honestly, the whole "corrupted blood" thing is a really neat twist to find

[eternal talon]

yeah, i agree. no way caves could reach that far.

not even sinkholes go that deep

[analog frigate]

they do but not there

[eternal talon]

makes me question how nam-v got out in the first place

[analog frigate]

geographical position matters

also soil and stuff