#gtfo-lore
eternal talon
analog frigate
with that chart you are saying sol is a class F
eternal talon
so then what?
eternal talon
with that chart you are saying sol is a class F
sol looks completely different in-atmosphere as opposed to outside.
on earth it looks yellow, but it's red.
analog frigate
both images i sent were from just a regular telescope
eternal talon
both images i sent were not.
analog frigate
on earth it looks yellow, but it's red.
you're telling me the sun is red?
analog frigate
alright so
eternal talon
it gets darker the closer you are
analog frigate
that's what a solar filter is
eternal talon
it's usually an orange-red
analog frigate
it allows you to take pictures of the sun without blowing out your camera
eternal talon
okay, what i'm saying is,
your pictures are with purpose built magnification
the ones in-game are from eye-sight and from a simple 2-4x scope.
yet they look the same
so destinations' is clearly brighter to have the same effect
analog frigate
how does magnification change the brightness and colour of something
especially the size of a star
(as seen from a planet orbiting it at a moderate distance)
eternal talon
the intensity. seeing a picture of the sun from the surface has far more glare than with a purpose built tool.
i'm not a scientist so i can't explain specifically, but it clearly changes depending on the tools used to observe it.
a gun sight isn't built the same as a telescope
analog frigate
the inverse square law affects it by changing the size of input light
in this case, the change in input is negligible
so colour offset is minimal to none
eternal talon
in the pictures you sent, the edges were brighter, a slightly more orange.
in the ones from game, it's solid
a gradient wouldn't be that hard to implement if it was not intended to be such.
analog frigate
yes that's how light works
eternal talon
as you said, you can't judge by the center, but by the edge
analog frigate
the edges of a spherical light emitting object are brighter than the centre
eternal talon
on destination, the edge and center are the exact same hex color
and that edge color is lighter than the ones of the pic you sent
analog frigate
as you said, you can't judge by the center, but by the edge
i said, don't look straight at the star at all but the environment
looking straight at it, even the edges, means nothing due to atmospheric variance and a multitude of other things
eternal talon
the environment is nothing but solar glare and atmospheric diffusion
analog frigate
yeah but look the glare colour
analog frigate
and general tint of the atmosphere
eternal talon
dusty, egg-white with hints of very light yellow and orange
analog frigate
eternal talon
a watery grey. not blue like on earth.
analog frigate
yellow-white
eternal talon
yellow-white
egg-white.
analog frigate
so just, yellow-white?
eternal talon
i don't understand
the atmosphere is hydrologist grey, but on earth it's blue, wouldn't that effect things?
analog frigate
egg-white hex is less bright than yellow-white
analog frigate
the atmosphere is hydrologist grey, but on earth it's blue, wouldn't that effect...
lingering dust in the air causes hazing
probably why durant wanted people to not be without a mask
small sand particles could build up and suffocate a person
off topic though
eternal talon
yet there are cumulus clouds
analog frigate
what about them
eternal talon
require a rather large water content
but dusty environments are devoid of liquid water, no?
eternal talon
the sahara exists and sometimes has clouds over it
because the rest of the earth has fucktons of water.
analog frigate
and also most deserts have cumulus clouds going over them somewhat frequently iirc
analog frigate
because the rest of the earth has fucktons of water.
yeah
why shouldn't this have
eternal talon
well i dunno, i said i spotted lakes last month and you threw that right-out.
analog frigate
what if we are on a continent that's entirely a desert
eternal talon
that there is no evidence for ground water
analog frigate
that we can see yeah
but i don't see how this connects to the star being a class G
analog frigate
aight you do you
eternal talon
aight you do you
not open to conversation anymore?
eternal talon
even if it could be a class G, it'd have to be on a either extreme high or low position on the spectrum. my point being, okay, you may be right, it may not be hotter, but it itsn't the same as our sun
analog frigate
if it's not enough, it's not enough
eternal talon
i feel as though literally every time we almost make a giant breakthrough of GTFO lore, everything always gets sidetracked and derailed into argument.
eternal talon
what?
toxic wagon
(Is a joke)
eternal talon
"Seious discussion about the lore of the game. Due to the nature of the topics related to lore, this chatroom is spoiler heavy, please read and chat with this in mind."
solar nova
@eternal talon It's not really going to be feasible to tell what the star we see is, as we should expect the atmosphere to prevent us from seeing what it actually looks like from space
I'm more interested in the light from C1 and D1, as we can't see craters for w/e reason, which we might expect for a moon.
eternal talon
<@!385612298045358082> It's not really going to be feasible to tell what the sta...
there has to be something though, we have SO MUCH INFORMATION, not all of it can be useless
harsh saffron
"Seious discussion about the lore of the game. Due to the nature of the topics r...
I mean, I make jokes from time to time as well ^^
eternal talon
I mean, I make jokes from time to time as well ^^
ehh, fair enough. as do i.
analog frigate
I'm more interested in the light from C1 and D1, as we can't see craters for w/e...
yeah, i think that it's most likely not a moon but another planet with an atmosphere
toxic wagon
(I still wait for a moment in the lore Glow sticks save the day)
analog frigate
since if it was a moon without an atmosphere , the light reflected would be very similar to the colour of the star
eternal talon
I'm more interested in the light from C1 and D1, as we can't see craters for w/e...
what, like the moon is flat and textureless?
analog frigate
and it's quite bluish
eternal talon
kindof a crackpot theory, but could it be a dual-sun system? with one being a "normal" sun, and the other a white-dwarf?
or would that not explain it?
i don't know why the moon would be textureless though
that is bizarre.
it can't be far away either though to explain it, or it just wouldn't be in the gravity well of destination.
solar nova
I like the idea of a white dwarf, but it's super unclear how it would be present there.
analog frigate
we would know if it's a white dwarf
1: it'd be super bright
2: radiation off the charts
3: the colour
also the gamma ray beams coming out from the poles
they aren't as prominent as in neutron stars, but still somewhat noticeable
solar nova
Isn't that a neutron star?
eternal talon
1: it'd be super bright
2: radiation off the charts
3: the colour
1: depends how old, don't they just fizzle out when they die?
2: could be that 5 hours thing
3: no idea, are there different types of dwarves?
analog frigate
1: depends how old, don't they just fizzle out when they die?
2: could be that 5...
1: yeah but still are very bright
2: they would need to be in rubber suits 24/7, those would need to be replaced constantly, the personnel washed off from all the radiation, and they would most likely suffer radiation fatigue very soon
3: yes, but only white dwarfs are white-bluish. there are Y class and T class and such, but they are brown and dark purple and stuff so
unreal island
Ooooh i see. That's really interesting, i feel like i know about as much as my character at the moment lol so i hope to learn more
analog frigate
also they are pretty small
so for one to appear that big in the sky, it would have to be very close
again, radiation
subtle verge
Ooooh i see. That's really interesting, i feel like i know about as much as my c...
Heck yeah! We're all still learning with each extension/rundown. If you want to get some backstory, check out the wiki or the notion.so link in the pinned comments (the timeline). Both sites have the full database and audio logs. 🙂 There's also a TL;DR of the lore in the pins, as well.
eternal talon
If it doesn't have texture, I don't know what the fuck it could be then.
It's not a moon, it's not a space station,
analog frigate
another planet with an atmosphere that's either a satellite of the planet we go to, or we are the satellite
the atmosphere reflection can remove the texture and make it flat coloured
eternal talon
Heck yeah! We're all still learning with each extension/rundown. If you want to ...
The "for dummies" doc isn't in pins
But I think he already read that
eternal talon
another planet with an atmosphere that's either a satellite of the planet we go ...
Surely that would be a bit wonky with gravity though, no?
analog frigate
doesn't exactly make the most sense long term if we don't see changes in the lighting of the satellite, similar to the phases of the moon
analog frigate
Surely that would be a bit wonky with gravity though, no?
nope
it's kinda like the earth and moon
except a bit bigger and further away
eternal talon
doesn't exactly make the most sense long term if we don't see changes in the lig...
And if we don't? What then? Back to the drawing board?
eternal talon
What are the atmospheric requirements for those clouds to form?
analog frigate
in the satellite?
eternal talon
On destination
analog frigate
proper convection
eternal talon
What does that mean
analog frigate
a proper water cycle
or at least a stable enough one
which has proper atmospheric convection to cause cumulus clouds to form by the mixing of hot and cold air, leading to condensation, leading to a cloud forming
eternal talon
And yet the atmosphere is dusty enough to blot out most of the blue from nitrogen with grey?
That's a bit odd
solar nova
The water we see in C1 is fairly clear as well, so it's probably not just standing water.
analog frigate
the mist is also hinting at a night water cycle
day temperatures exceed the maximum to form much in terms of mist and fog
probably during the night it can form
but then we run into the issue of not knowing the day and night cycle length
eternal talon
How dry does the atmosphere have to be to have that appearance though?
analog frigate
really depends on the surface
eternal talon
Wdym
eternal talon
Because it isn't the clouds, the atmosphere itself is at least thick enough to support all that dust up there
analog frigate
it doesn't need to be thick
the dust just needs to be fine
that's how smog forms for example
analog frigate
yeah
eternal talon
You'd probably need a gas mask just not to clog your lungs with dust and sediment after 15 minutes
analog frigate
as i said before, probably why durant wanted people to constantly wear a mask
eternal talon
Those dust storms alone, probably wreak havoc on any ecosystem trying to form
Which brings to the point,
analog frigate
depends how widespread the storms are
eternal talon
How the fuck is there water in this hell hole
analog frigate
the storms don't necessarily have to be the entire planet
eternal talon
depends how widespread the storms are
D1 and c1 appear to be roughly the same area as b1 and a1 though
analog frigate
sahara for example has dust storms that would destroy complete ecological systems
eternal talon
If anything, d1 is probably on one of the mountains you can see in b1
analog frigate
can you?
eternal talon
sahara for example has dust storms that would destroy complete ecological system...
The Sahara doesn't have dust storms the hight of fucking mountains that's for sure
analog frigate
The Sahara doesn't have dust storms the hight of fucking mountains that's for su...
i am just giving an example to show that the dust storms can be limited
analog frigate
No, but the topology looks right.
if you go to oman and take a picture of the mountains, then go to yemen and take a picture of the mountains, you can't tell the difference
or if you go in southern africa in the drier regions, you again can't really find a difference in the mountains
just because they look similar doesn't mean they can't be a continent apart
eternal talon
Not the mountains, the area in-between
analog frigate
the flat plains?
eternal talon
You can see mountains in the distance in d1
They look about the same in relation to those in b1
While you can't see the ground in d1,
The landscape appears the same, from a different angle
analog frigate
well i personally would like to see landmark correlation since that still doesn't make it be on the same continent even
hypothetically we could be on the other side of the planet and that's why it's night
and the day and night cycles are like 50 hours
eternal talon
hypothetically we could be on the other side of the planet and that's why it's n...
That's assuming d1 and b1 happen in the same day
analog frigate
but for how long
eternal talon
For an unaccounted amount of time
eternal talon
God where on earth is r6.5 or 7
It's almost a month past when last extention dropped relative to r5
We need more data
analog frigate
well if there could be a log with a detailed planet analysis that'd be neat
but i doubt durant would've had the time and resources to do it
eternal talon
@dull crest the updates, where are you hiding them??
eternal talon
but i doubt durant would've had the time and resources to do it
Do we know how long he was there?
I thought he and his team were stuck there until they probably died of starvation
eternal talon
well if there could be a log with a detailed planet analysis that'd be neat
They'd never give us actual info you know, they'd give us bits and pieces and have us do it
It is how it has always been
solar nova
I thought he and his team were stuck there until they probably died of starvatio...
They were probably exterminated by sleepers (likely the flyer/warper variants).
And it seems like Bishop was the only survivor.
subtle verge
It's stated that a week after the team jumped, Bishop was the only one back.
In the Stokes audio log.
analog frigate
and then we get to the fun unknown part, time relativity which messes up everything
we would need a confirmation from both durant and garganta on their stay and we only have garganta
eternal talon
and then we get to the fun unknown part, time relativity which messes up everyth...
We have exact dates for almost everything before the game, but literally zero after 2057
eternal talon
we would need a confirmation from both durant and garganta on their stay and we ...
Durant is like 900% dead.
analog frigate
i mean confirmation as in a log
subtle verge
He's saying we'd need an audio log or text log from the time he was there to the time of his death.
solar nova
The implication from the second EF-01 log is that Durant and the rest of the science team are definitely dead.
analog frigate
he possibly could've made a log before he died
eternal talon
Oooo I have an idea. If we ever have a rundown that goes into the inner, we should get some form of unique Allen modified weapons developed by insight and kovac
analog frigate
like an audio log giving his will or something similar
analog frigate
Oooo I have an idea. If we ever have a rundown that goes into the inner, we shou...
it would be a bit too op
dull crest
<@264164771669082112> the updates, where are you hiding them??
I am as open as a book
eternal talon
Depends. Could be strong but very ammo inefficient, or have just a niche mechanic
solar nova
I am as open as a book
Why the delays on updating the roadmap?
subtle verge
I'd be interested to see if there were/are any more logs between the initial log from Durant and the Flyers killing them off log.
eternal talon
WHERE ARE MY COSMETICS CALLE, I NEED MOAR
subtle verge
Just to see what kind of ecology study may have happened within that very "short" timespan.
eternal talon
I just really really really really really want a tool that is a small robot companion
A mobile source of utility or additional firepower
eternal talon
Why the delays on updating the roadmap?
Take notes, no response
The wait grows everlonger
finite vine
Honestly I don’t think it is viable to determine the stars class by its color. The atmosphere would be changing its color due to all of the dust in the atmosphere.
Also why do we need to know what class the star is?
The devs probably don’t even have exact statistics for the star.
yea good point.
in terms of game dev, you can even change the amount of Rayleigh and Mie scattering in a sky atmosphere, so at that point, the star could be any color.
eternal talon
Honestly I don’t think it is viable to determine the stars class by its color. T...
the reason why it would matter is to determine the conditions on the surface of red alpha. if it's super hot, then that's a big deal that should be noticeable but isn't, and vice versa for if it were cold.
dull crest
Why the delays on updating the roadmap?
A lot of Moringen parts 🙂
unreal island
So Red Alpha is that currently mysterious desert world that is seemingly home to the NAM-V, correct?
eternal talon
So Red Alpha is that currently mysterious desert world that is seemingly home to...
false. red alpha is the mars mission. it's confusing, but red alpha is also a community name for the destination in r6. it would seem it is the origin of the parasites and nam-v, correct.
unreal island
Oh ok thank you for the clarification
small bobcat
Daaamn i would so love some creepy horror element like that
eternal talon
Daaamn i would so love some creepy horror element like that
Just reducing the lighting by like 30-40% would do that already. Just add some spooky ambience
Try lowering your GAMMA. I guarantee it is scarier.
Also playing at night with headphones helps aswell
final sentinel
Also playing at night with headphones helps aswell
vouch
small bobcat
Bruh i play at nighttime regularly lmao
Can still remember the shock when we turned on the light in D1 and found out that big room early on was full of the big ones
But yeah some more stuff to fuck with us in a non harmful way would be good, i reckon me and my wingman had become accustomed to the atmosphere and we dont shit as many bricks as we used to anymore
eternal talon
'distant sound of gunfire and screaming from WRDN's other teams'
<@&408548765599793173> banish this daemon
clear elm
thank you :)
final sentinel
sigh
small bobcat
Hell yeah
Some more ambient stuff
I wouldve suggested a random ping that leads to a corpse or a sleeper but then people might think it was a bug
eternal talon
more tight and narrow corridors.
small bobcat
I would unironically love more narrow corridor fights, makes mines and turrets easier to manage
hollow palm
"We were requested more tight corridors. Here's a swarm of tanky bois to show why that's a bad idea :)" -devs maybe
eternal talon
"We were requested more tight corridors. Here's a swarm of tanky bois to show wh...
inb4 new sleeper type that can crawl on walls and ceilings
hollow palm
inb4 new sleeper type that can crawl on walls and ceilings
This but unironic. Game needs more fear in it.
small bobcat
And imma take a minute to shill for sentry cpu booster
eternal talon
And imma take a minute to shill for sentry cpu booster
sniper sentry machinegun
small bobcat
My burst sentry go straight ravenous with cpu and dmg combo
hollow palm
Overpen rounds become meta as hell too lol
small bobcat
"We were requested more tight corridors. Here's a swarm of tanky bois to show wh...
I remember C1 when we brought another guy along and failed the stealth in that big boi room
Never before had we felt so much panic, luckily we were pretty well armed with a sniper, a scattergun, and a shotgun
finite vine
the reason why it would matter is to determine the conditions on the surface of ...
well we kinda know the conditions. it’s dry, sandy, and hot.
plus liquid water (not sure if it is water but it probably is), clouds, and limited plant life
eternal talon
well we kinda know the conditions. it’s dry, sandy, and hot.
@analog frigate would disagree, since this could just be one biome
unreal island
I'm really curious, i just heard about something called "Shaeffer's monster" what's that about?
finite vine
<@!544486890838032401> would disagree, since this could just be one biome
ok good point. however, I don’t see how finding out the class of the star would give us any more info than we already have.
what would we be able to find out about other potential biomes on planet alpha from knowing the class of the star?
eternal talon
ok good point. however, I don’t see how finding out the class of the star would ...
at best, it would confirm what we know, at worst, then the planet would be inconsistent with reality
being outside of the habitable zone, being too hot or too cold, or too volatile for life, given we and Durant were able to stay there even if temporarily
more of a "yep, that's normal" kinda thing
or if it's not, a "holy fuck, what the hell is going on here?" kinda thing.
finite vine
we also would need to know how far away the star is as well as its size to determine any of that.
eternal talon
true, but the color could determine it's heat, which would atleast give us a starting point
agile plinth
true, but the color could determine it's heat, which would atleast give us a sta...
it doesn't matter if we know the temperature since as sky said, we need to know the distance
eternal talon
@dull crest how far is destination's star from the planet?
harsh saffron
I'm really curious, i just heard about something called "Shaeffer's monster" wha...
Schaeffer tells us about a creature that he hasn't seen before, it talks with a human voice, but it's obviously not human. The 2 relevant logs for that creature are both found in C2 if you want to listen to them yourself in game.
quick grove
I'm really curious, i just heard about something called "Shaeffer's monster" wha...
We call it the mimic well thats its coined name for now
dull crest
<@!264164771669082112> how far is destination's star from the planet?
“That’s no moon”
quick grove
Wait what now
grizzled frost
The whole moon/sun thing is probably heavy overthinking ; the devs are thorough but maybe not to the point of "hey let's make our [supposedly alien] world 100% astronomically correct so the players can figure out the star type, the moon's geological composition, and the local constellations""
dull crest
Just a cool Star Wars quote
quick grove
Mans over thinked it
quick grove
Just a cool Star Wars quote
Imagine one of the characters said that"that's no moon"
dull crest
Hehe
unreal island
Schaeffer tells us about a creature that he hasn't seen before, it talks with a ...
Thanks. I think I'll head over to C2 today.
quick grove
Thanks. I think I'll head over to C2 today.
I mean you can just get the audio from the wiki ay
unreal island
I could, but i feel like there's something special about finding it for yourself
harsh saffron
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0#Logs
the logs have their own pages now, you can change the link to [...]Rundown_6.0_Logs ^^
harsh saffron
true
eternal talon
Just a cool Star Wars quote
eternal talon
What are the tumors?
They obviously aren't infected individuals, so what on earth are they?
solar nova
What are the tumors?
Spitters?
dull crest
They obviously aren't infected individuals, so what on earth are they?
Friends
solar nova
Probably similar to the respawn sacks and ceiling flesh.
crisp sage
Seeing them sacks makes me uncomfortable bruh.
Every time I see one I think a sleeper is about to spawn.
celest pagoda
I'm fairly certain the spitters are some kind of fungus, given their thriving in the darkness of Garganta, and them releasing spores after spitting.
swift oasis
What are the tumors?
It reminds me of a form of parasitic fungus it coule spreads on a surface, that spits on any living being passing by in order to contaminate it, this living parasite in its host. It is a form of parasite without doubt, but once the host is infected, do not ask me how they end up on the ceiling (lemme guess, for example the infected host ends up dying on the ground, spores come out of his body and accumulate on a surface (ceiling, trees, or whatever) and that's where it takes again the form we know. Then it repeats endlessly.
swift oasis
I'm really curious, i just heard about something called "Shaeffer's monster" wha...
he talks about it in an audiolog or a text log, basically he describes it as something between an human and a sleeper, it seems conscious, a creature apart of sleepers, sleepers are not hostile to him. It's a mistery right now.
wild plank
🍄
wild plank
It reminds me of a form of parasitic fungus it coule spreads on a surface, that ...
Cordyceps?
That sounds like cordyceps.
swift oasis
i do not know fungus species, probably 🙂
small bobcat
GTFO and TLOU crossover?!?!
SECRET NEWS DATA LEAK CONFIRMED!!11!1!
(definitely not clickbait)
quick grove
south lake
Cordyceps doesn't have a long lashing tendril that it can use to strike at people, though.
But the idea of spores does raise a question in my mind
Oh wait, nevermind, I keep forgetting Shooters and Spitters aren't the same thing 
I was going to posit 'What if shooters are an 'incubation phase' of the Parasite, and once fully grown, the head splits open to create the Strikers we know?'
small bobcat
I heard people surmising that striker tendril is prolapsing intestinal tract which sounds absolutely revolting, but i dunno about the big ones
quick grove
Lmao do they not know that thats the parasite
eternal talon
Lmao do they not know that thats the parasite
Ehh, we don't know that for certain.
We've had only one description of the parasite's appearance. And that's from the mayans
"Flea Demons"
swift oasis
my english is a bit poor, i didnt get what is Hearsay, Hearsay and BIOCOM are the same system ?
harsh saffron
Hearsay is a system, it can be used to record audio logs and most likely some more stuff
Biocom is the system that controls all the KSOs, giving them their objectives etc.
quick grove
Ah okay
quick grove
I didn't know that okay
swift oasis
^^
quick grove
I thought it was a person
swift oasis
Hearsay is a system, it can be used to record audio logs and most likely some mo...
is there a link between BIOCOM and the warden ? i'm trying to figure out how the whole thibg work, hearsay seems to be a record system taht records all discussions even if workers do not know (to control every information), biocom manage kso, but what does the warden, managing biocom ?
quick grove
Someone injected the warden in the BIOCOM system
quick grove
And so the warden took over BIOCOM and changed it i guess
Also fun fact the warden is a military DI(decision AI)
swift oasis
is it related to the injection of the warden ?
oh my, so The Warden may not come from KDS/Santonian/Dreyfus
quick grove
No
swift oasis
Someone injected the warden in the BIOCOM system
how do we know that
harsh saffron
how do we know that
swift oasis
thx
"WRDN.4nl@ne" oh okay
So from what we know, an external organisation could have wanted to take the lead of Garganta/project Insight and infiltrated a worker who injected the warden right?
harsh saffron
thats a possible theory I would say yeah
some ppl believe it's someone from the workforce
but we can't really make anything more then guesses
swift oasis
last question, I can read on the gtfo wiki "In R3 and R4 the warden tried to kill Schaeffer, in R5 it released KSOs from KDS Deep through the Influx Protocol.". The Warden tried to kill Schaeffer ? how, what he used against him? I didnt do rundown 5
"released KSOs", really wondering what happend in rundown 5 like the warden sent soldiers on players in E1 or what xD
harsh saffron
"released KSOs", really wondering what happend in rundown 5 like the warden sent...
Thats exactly what happened ^^
The players were the soldiers in that scenario
this is kds deep, the last room in R5E1
I should say some part of Kds deep, the full thing is probably even larger
swift oasis
we are KSOs, I didn’t make the connection, though we are just "Legion"
harsh saffron
yeah there are multiple terms for what we are, there are also different generations of the legion program and stuff, can be kinda complicated
quick grove
we are KSOs, I didn’t make the connection, though we are just "Legion"
If i recall correctly KSO's are Legion right @harsh saffron
quick grove
If i recall correctly KSO's are Legion right <@264038706145525761>
I might be wrong
I haven't really been focusing on the lore as much as i've been busy with other stuff
harsh saffron
Yeah I think the order is:
Legion --> part of that are KSOs
something like that ^^
quick grove
Ah yes
agile plinth
iirc all legion are made KSOs (if they don't fail)
swift oasis
Imo : KDS -> KSO -> Legion (KSOs in hydrostasis units/still testing this technology with new generations of "volunteers")
agile plinth
Legion is the original program
KSOs start there
but i don't remember if there was any non-Legion KSOs
probably are, just very experienced KDS personnel
agile plinth
yeah dauda is confusing
agile plinth
He's not even KSO
technically he is
swift oasis
bishop ? cant remember if he was in legion or not before he blackmailed Dreyfus's CEO -> was put into HSU
quick grove
Dauda put im self in
quick grove
technically he is
Ah okay
agile plinth
my idea is that he received training after from other KSOs
agile plinth
bishop ? cant remember if he was in legion or not before he blackmailed Dreyfus'...
he wasn't
quick grove
Bishop is chad only man to come back alive from destination alpha i think if he ever went
agile plinth
most Legionaries aren't there willingly as far as we know
quick grove
Hackett
swift oasis
they are brainwashed, noone would want that except Hackett
quick grove
Yes didn't feel a thing when killing people
agile plinth
so he decided to volunteer since he didn't have anything better to do
agile plinth
yup
quick grove
And find redemption to his actions
solar nova
last question, I can read on the gtfo wiki "In R3 and R4 the warden tried to kil...
Dunno about that. R3 has nothing to do w/ Schaeffer, we're preparing the neonate and plugging it into an nFrame (neural frame). In R4, this is a fairly speculative interpretation of R4E1's objective, which has us power some generators and then go assess local threats. The vast majority of R4's objective are evidently in preparation for R5E1.
KDS Deep is essentially KSO storage and also an elevator that goes to some unknown location. It's very unclear what the WRDN needs it for, as we haven't actually been sent down it yet.
swift oasis
i was surprised by the fact the level ends there with no explanation, no lore nothing more than that room
quick grove
Hopefully R7 has something to do with going past 1300m meters
solar nova
1.5km is currently understood to be the original cutoff of the complex, so anything underneath that should be of interest.
swift oasis
thats a possible theory I would say yeah
imagine it's Bishop, he already installed spyware on multiple executives' laptops and attempted to blackmail. He could be an external agent, until he got his memory wiped out by HSU
swift oasis
need help on something
"I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down. "
do you think "in the entire facility" means Garganta or KDS Deep
harsh saffron
I would assume Garganta
subtle verge
Considering that KDS has their own subsections within Garganta, it would be the entirety of SMC's portion of Garganta. It appears as it's implied that KDS has its own power supply so it doesn't leech off of the SMC power supply.
swift oasis
wondering why the warden would want to shut down (close, isolate) the whole Garganta complex, and then change its mind and use KSOs instead of going for the second option first. Like it wanted first to destroy the Insight project by overloading and destroying all the subsystems, then failed and used KSOs which is a bit illogic
well in the log they talk about every subsystem shutting down, maybe im going to far with the "shut down the whole garganta complex", anyway the warden probably wanted to shut down all the subsystem coz he's probably from an exterior organisation who wants to take control or shut down SMC/KDS operations
grizzled frost
Are you referring to the "reroute power" log?
I think it's before Warden was on, and it was Biocom attempting to get more power , which is one of its main objectives
quick grove
Misinformation
BIOCOM isn't looking for more power thats the warden thats looking for more power it was working under the BIOCOM name for a while
quick grove
Idk @harsh saffron @agile plinth i might be wrong ay
solar nova
wondering why the warden would want to shut down (close, isolate) the whole Garg...
It seems more likely, for now, that it legitimately just needed the power for its own purposes.
We might get logs in the future that elaborate on the WRDN's goals.
quick grove
We might get logs in the future that elaborate on the WRDN's goals.
Can't wait for that
@solar nova i haven't seen you in a while ay
quick grove
Or its just me not being active
solar nova
shrug
harsh saffron
Idk <@264038706145525761> <@683729076120322049> i might be wrong ay
I agree with Ray 🙂
quick grove
So am i wrong?
harsh saffron
I think you are correct, Warden should have been active in that timeframe (march-may 2054). Would at least make sense because we get 2 logs with reports of strange "Biocom" behaviour. Sounds more likely to me than Biocom actually just acting strange on its own suddenly.
quick grove
Forshadowing the warden lol
harsh saffron
😄
quick grove
Thing is smart enough not to reveal it self until the end i guess
swift oasis
Schaeffer IS the warden and act like he's running from it to manipulate us to go deeper
(jk xD))
quick grove
Was just about to say yo thats some mad cap😂
analog frigate
Idk <@264038706145525761> <@683729076120322049> i might be wrong ay
what?
oh
yeah i agree with ray on this one
but you are also correct
subtle verge
Are you a dog or cat person?
eternal talon
cat.
harsh saffron
Guinea pig
toxic wagon
Duck
eternal talon
goose!
harsh saffron
no 😦
eternal talon
runs away
subtle verge
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, swims like a duck, then it is too late. The ducks are taking over. A new world order has begun.
Coming to a theater near you: GTDO - Get The Duck Out.
Abominations taking over a global conglomerate drill center? Pfft. So last year.
Replace them with the average quack machine, give it some REAL depth.
Real quack addicts, you know?
harsh saffron
Would watch that
wild plank
Real quack addicts, you know?
Quackheads, if you will.
graceful lotus
duck hunt: the sequel
celest pagoda
Due to lore chat material slowing down, I went on a little adventure trying to fully figure out what Dauda says from about 0:13 to 0:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZcLpddi5ys
I know this log is w a y old news, but given that Dauda, a member of project Insight, was referring directly to the sleepers that were closing in on him, I thought it could be interesting to know what Dauda at the time was calling them. Maybe it could give us an idea of what Insight knows about them, and what they truly are.
Of course, this audio, and this specific segment, is very corrupted and hard to decipher. By messing with the audio, slowing it some, and just messing with random values in audio editor, I think I know at least part of what he's saying.
To start, that segment goes as: "The (word1)(word2 - cut off by static) are taking over"
Firstly, I listened to it as it was found it the game and came up with (Phonetics): The EYE-CANT-CU-DE-FAW static
Then, cleaning and slowing the audio made it a bit more clear: The EYE-KENTS-very, very short pause for word seperation-U(F/V)-DE-FAW
And after a while and some more messing with sound, I got: The EYE-KENTS-pause-OF-THE-FO-STATIC
With the ending sound somewhat clearly like "Of the Fo-" with the final word being cut of but sounding out like "FAW", I edited the sound some more and ended up with 3 main conclusions.
The Ancients of the Fo-
The Items of the Fo-
The Agents of the Fo-
Additionally, when "FAW" is cut off, it almost sounds like "FAWS" but its hard to tell
What I think he said, and was caught off was "The [Ancients, items, agents, etc] of the Fossil"
This may be a small find, but figuring out the term an insight scientist used to describe sleepers would be great in helping us piece together what exactly they are.
harsh saffron
thats pretty cool tbh
celest pagoda
Thanks
solar nova
If accurate, this would at least be a far more explicit description of the sleepers coming from the fossil.
@celest pagoda Do you have any of the modified audio clips?
celest pagoda
No, I was messing with an old program called VLC media player
I will though go through and see what i changed
I'm not too familair with editing audio, so I just slid stuff around until his voice became as clear as it could get
solar nova
All g
What was the extent of the sleeper biology doc? I'm thinking of doing a write-up on the idea of the sleepers as a colony and potential divisions in sleepers that could be inferred from what we see in-game.
Mostly because I'm bored, but also because the doc looked non-comprehensive from my memory.
celest pagoda
If accurate, this would at least be a far more explicit description of the sleep...
Granted, the audio appears to only say "The [Ancients,Agents,Items] of the Fo(s)-" Its only my assumption that Fossil was the word being cut off given current lore.
So I cant say for certain that's what it was, as it could be any word starting with Fo or Fos.
Also, I do remember editing the audio with I think was "Full bass", "Full Treble" and full both. Not sure what that means exactly, but it made certain parts of words (and small words overall like of) more distinct.
Its what lead me to assume those 3 words, Ancient, Agent, and item
the audio had those distinct "Ch's" of a ch, and "Tuh's" of a t
Or also the "J" of the g in agent
quick grove
What audio log is this?
celest pagoda
R5A3, Daudas log
quick grove
Ah
celest pagoda
the first word after "the" has a distinct sound at the beginning of it, sounding like a CH, T, or J, hard to tell
and the ending has very distinct S sound
Which is why I chose words like items, Ancients, Agents, etc
eternal talon
Two of those three possible words highly support ancient Allen theory
And items, well, that one's a bit iffy but could also
So far imo just seems undeniably true.
dull crest
No, I was messing with an old program called VLC media player
Could recommend Audacity for audio work
VLC is more of a player, no?
lilac island
Alright so me and my team finally killed the kraken last night, and i was left wondering what it actually is? Is it like some queen-type organism in some sort of hivemind? Are there more out of them out there?
dim scroll
No idea
smoky sigil
it's a martian right? so maybe it's not even mutated and it's something else?
analog frigate
Alright so me and my team finally killed the kraken last night, and i was left w...
we don't exactly know yet
analog frigate
it's a martian right? so maybe it's not even mutated and it's something else?
we don't go to mars
smoky sigil
isnt Alpha 1-2 on mars?
analog frigate
we don't exactly know yet
there have been past discussions on what it could possibly be but we just don't have enough info about it yet
analog frigate
isnt Alpha 1-2 on mars?
nope
smoky sigil
or did i miss a conversation
analog frigate
we have no clue
smoky sigil
ok
lilac island
we don't exactly know yet
I had thought there are probably more, the thing's big, but not big enough to be completely alone on that world
analog frigate
it could be in another galaxy, it could be in our galaxy, it could be in another universe
we really don't know
smoky sigil
could be syria
lilac island
ok
As far as i can tell, all we know is that it's another world referred to as the destination
analog frigate
there's been day long discussions on how we go there and where it could be
analog frigate
could be syria
definitely not in the solar system
they lose signal after going through
analog frigate
i doubt they would lose all telemetry and signal when going in our solar system
smoky sigil
like the floater
analog frigate
so it could be completely unrelated to the sleeper
hypothetically yeah
but we still don't know
analog frigate
yeah?
analog frigate
yes
analog frigate
Do the same with C2's 2nd audio log
that's how you make people not play at night
lilac island
no idea what the guys on about
Sounds like a certified Shaeffer moment
smoky sigil
he says something like "come on james, focus, your all alone now"
and since my name is james
i certifiably shiz my pants
because GTFO just commented on how im alone
lilac island
Oh jeez
analog frigate
happens
lilac island
It does
smoky sigil
😳
keen bobcat
anyone have audio logs?
dim scroll
pins
hexed oar
because GTFO just commented on how im alone
spooky 👀
swift oasis
so it could be completely unrelated to the sleeper
wondering why floaters do not attack sleepers then
smoky sigil
wondering why floaters do not attack sleepers then
good point
solar nova
like the floater
Floaters seem to be a form of sleepers. They share a ton of characteristics, and it seems like they, like all other sleeper variants, will work with other sleeper variants.
Tentacles, teeth, bioluminescence, the anomalous shooter projectiles, etc.
solar patio
Dauda is non Legion
I know this is a little old but Isn't "Legion" just the name for Kovac's program of getting dangerous killers who have potential value, wiping their memory through the Hydrostasis process and turning them into will-less soldiers. So Duada and all of the squad we're familiar with are forcibly part of the legion program(excluding hackett, the fucking psycho) even if they had no previous relationship with Santonian or Kovac defense services? Correct me if I misunderstood
solar nova
I know this is a little old but Isn't "Legion" just the name for Kovac's program...
Dauda enters hydrostasis when sleepers are overrunning the area around him.
He's not inducted into the Legion, it seems like BIOCOM gets access to the HSU that he enters at some point and that's how he ends up a KSO.
solar nova
That's actually not that long ago.
quick grove
Still 3 days for me
solar nova
3 days is not that long tbh
quick grove
solar patio
Dauda enters hydrostasis when sleepers are overrunning the area around him.
Ohh soo he's a scientist for sanatonian or something, that makes sense considering his background. That's super interesting, when is it mentioned?in a log?
solar nova
Ohh soo he's a scientist for sanatonian or something, that makes sense consideri...
If you check the lore database, the Dauda logs should be what you need.
solar carbon
Whats the lore behind the sleepers like whats the parasite and the NAM-V is it the same thing or just 2 things leading to another
analog frigate
Whats the lore behind the sleepers like whats the parasite and the NAM-V is it t...
they are currently known to be symbiotic
as in, they somehow work together to turn people into sleepers
but it's currently unknown if NAM-V causes sleepers
solar carbon
So the NAM-V is a random outbreak that came from the site while the parasites where already down below
analog frigate
both were in the meteorite
analog frigate
that's the person's intestines, repurposed
analog frigate
not that i know of
solar carbon
Nobody knows what it specifically is
analog frigate
yeah
solar carbon
And tanks/fathers/hydra
solar carbon
Yeah it’s one of their names
analog frigate
yeah
solar carbon
Cuz 3 tongues
analog frigate
those appear to be born
analog frigate
kinda yeah
solar carbon
Instead of being humans infected
analog frigate
that's what it appears to be
solar carbon
So
analog frigate
the more "special" variants appear to be born
solar carbon
So sleepers are also born
Meaning they looked like that before meeting humans or after meeting humans
analog frigate
it can't have been before
solar carbon
Adaptation
analog frigate
yes
they just use the already evolved species, that can survive the environment, and copy it
solar carbon
So if tanks are bigger and more mutated is it an older infected
solar carbon
It could just be something thats born
analog frigate
but we don't know the exact specifics of their genetics and epigenetics
solar carbon
I find the sleeper lore super interesting and id have a few ideas for later rundowns
Trying to understand more about it
analog frigate
yeah it is quite interesting
there was a report written some time ago
although a bit outdated now
solar carbon
Also out of subject but hoping next rundown is more aggressive lot less sleepers in rooms compared to rundown 5 and down
Often doesnt matter if you make up the room cuz you can just melee them or shoot a few
analog frigate
i suppose
solar carbon
Also checkpoints should be like mid mission instead of at specific doors
Like once ur half the mission you get a checkpoint to know your about half way
analog frigate
there was a report written some time ago
btw here is the "report" https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HR8ij7DxmU8F-2H4QYqaEnoBQJ1qABHF4l5ml7JTuPI/edit?usp=sharing
do take it with a spoonful of salt though
solar carbon
Ill check it out later i got stuff to do rn
analog frigate
also hi punk
solar carbon
do take it with a spoonful of salt though
Why
subtle verge
Yeah, it's a semi-abandoned project for the time being.
The biology report, I mean.
subtle verge
Lots of misinformation, as well.
analog frigate
it was written in R5
solar carbon
Kk
analog frigate
Lots of misinformation, as well.
yeah that too
i suggest if anything is unclear, ask
since we could most likely give you a more up-to-date answer
snow yarrow
btw here is the "report" https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HR8ij7DxmU8F-2H4QYq...
btw where're those reports from 0.0
solar nova
So if tanks are bigger and more mutated is it an older infected
If we consider sleepers to live in a colony structure, larger sleepers are more likely examples of polymorphism. Some sleepers grow to be larger and more powerful in order to fulfill specialized roles or to serve as a higher investment of the colony's resources.
solar nova
Yep.
solar carbon
Or ant nest
solar nova
Bees, ants, termites, social wasps, etc.
solar nova
Some ants can have multiple queens.
solar carbon
Oh ye right
solar nova
It's also unclear if birthers are the main source of sleepers, or if they make more sleepers at all, as opposed to the "flesh" we see around.
They probably do, but it seems like sleepers can come from other sources, and birthers are more-so a nest-manager.
subtle verge
btw where're those reports from 0.0
The Sleeper doc was written by a few folks here, one of which is a biologist working on his doctorate. It's a mixture of theory, conjecture, what we're able to see in-game, and using real-world biology/evolution.
As said above, take it with a massive spoon of salt. There's a lot of outdated/misinformation in it at the moment as it was written in R5.
eternal talon
but it's currently unknown if NAM-V causes sleepers
unknown, yes, but i feel there would be reports of sleepers on the surface were that the case. so far it is very well implied that the parasites make sleepers, WITH the virus' help, but it cannot do it itself.
eternal talon
that's the person's intestines, repurposed
we don't know that, at all.
eternal talon
it was written in R5
it was written in r5? weren't you guys working on it like, a month ago?
eternal talon
It's also unclear if birthers are the main source of sleepers, or if they make m...
i doubt they are the MAIN source. after the local species have been converted, yeah, probably, but i don't think that mothers are a primary component to start with, since it needs infected individuals in the first place to create mothers.
it's probably moreso to do with stabilizing the size of the nest given how their tactics generally devolve into "throw themselves at the enemy until it goes away"
subtle verge
it was written in r5? weren't you guys working on it like, a month ago?
IIRC last update to it was very early January.
stone vine
we don't know that, at all.
yeah but its most likely whats happening
you can see also in the respawn cocoons that it spits one of the intestines out
so it most likely uses the big or small as the tongue
moms r also a p good example of how sleepers are just repurposed human bodies
if u look at their anatomy
eternal talon
you can see also in the respawn cocoons that it spits one of the intestines out
sauce?
eternal talon
this?
stone vine
not the biomass
the sacks on the roof
that make the croaky noises and spawn sleepers
stone vine
they have sleepers inside
eternal talon
PICS
eternal talon
i know what the respawn things on the roof you are talking about are,
but you 100% CAN NOT SEE SLEEPERS, INTESTINES, or anything of the sort
eternal talon
just big veiny sacks
stone vine
jheres pic
do u see
the sleeper outline
its upside down
its sleeping like a sloth
eternal talon
i guess, but where are you getting intestines from?
stone vine
the floor
go into d1
and into the side room
with the giants
and look at the floor
eternal talon
i didn't see any intestines in d1
stone vine
directly under
eternal talon
i have no idea what you are talking about
eternal talon
besides, we literally have zero information on what the tongue things are, at ALL.
stone vine
i hate to break it to u
this chat is all just theories
no point in not talking abt it lmao
eternal talon
well that doesn't really matter in the point i'm making
eternal talon
this chat is all just theories
i'm not arguing that.
stone vine
yeah ik ik
im saying he probs didnt mean it as a fact
most ppl just say what they think
eternal talon
the channel description literally states "SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LORE OF THE GAME"
stone vine
wasnt aware i was being silly
eternal talon
yeah, but still. alot of newbies frequent this channel to ask questions
the entire point is to avoid misinformation
eternal talon
as he himself would agree, since he has been vehemently against it for months
eternal talon
there is a difference between misinformation and theories when they are stated as what they are.
eternal talon
if i say, "that car is red", when it is actually blue, that is misinformation. if i say "that car is probably/might be red" then it is a theory.
eternal talon
eternal talon
pics. i'm not going to go out of my way to confirm your information for you.
stone vine
im trying to go
finish my english final project man
i simply cant
what im saying is there is stuff under the cocoons and u can either go there and see em or not
im saying theyre there
i dont need to show u anything
eternal talon
i'm saying "pics or it didn't happen"
if you spout information without providing proof when asked, well then it isn't a very solid argument. weither it is trying to be or not.
stone vine
take a pic when u get that stick out of ur ass <3 u can go see it or not
ur choice lmao
eternal talon
if you look in this channel you will see a whole catalogue of proof of various statements from me, and everybody else. if you can not provide to the conversation, i'm simply not going to bother talking to you.
also, that statement is very mean-spirited and is not welcome in any channel.
arguments happen, but this is a place of learning and discussion. not petty childish rivalry.
toxic wagon
lostty frostty gets their way or issa big upset
(Dont fight me I'm not even reading into context)
swift oasis
you can have a theory without giving a proof, that's the concept of a theory
eternal talon
you can have a theory without giving a proof, that's the concept of a theory
yes, but when someone asks you for evidence, it isn't proper to tell them to "go find out for yourself" so to say. it's rude and wasteful of their time. if you come to present a theory, the least you can do is bring evidence to support it and make your case to the others that frequent this channel, or else it would devolve into everyone running around everything to find out if it's BS or not.
case in point: make a solid argument, bring facts and evidence. not just "go look for yourself"
swift oasis
he said he can't right know, coz he has work, not a big deal at all, put the information in a "maybe it could be" section of your mind and go next x)
otherwise if the guy can in this case yes it's rude
eternal talon
in this case it wasn't that he didn't have time, it was the manner of speaking about it that is improper. we went back and forth for a while before they said they didn't have time
swift oasis
i'm pretty sure a theory channel can be about imagining things that could be true in the lore, as a mental exercise, and not search the true at all costs
eternal talon
and even in that case they could have been nicer about it. "hey, i don't have time, could you please go run and get a picture for me?" or something of the sort would be 100% okay and encouraged.
swift oasis
and even in that case they could have been nicer about it. "hey, i don't have ti...
regarding this argument i feel you
eternal talon
i'm pretty sure a theory channel can be about imagining things that could be tru...
that is correct. but distinguishing fact from theory is important, especially in this circumstance/channel.
as BBVC69 said, something as simple as "but idk tho" does wonders.
swift oasis
ok we agree
eternal talon
i dont need to show u anything
this is the primary thing that's the issue in this case. not the theory itself. going to check isn't a problem for me, i'm doing other stuff rn with a friend, but i could make time to go grab pics. it's the attitude.
compact kindle
Anyone know how Dauda is able to handle weaponry just as efficiently as the other three prisoners?
Like
Woods and Hackett were both ex-military, and Bishop was effectively a gun-for-hire.
But as far as my knowledge serves me, Dauda is just…a scientist?
eternal talon
Anyone know how Dauda is able to handle weaponry just as efficiently as the othe...
afik he was hired to work as a scientist, yeah, he jumped into an HSU to avoid dying from a swarm of sleepers beating down the door to the room he was in
"Abeo Dauda: Much of Dauda's backstory is currently unknown, however logs within the Complex has revealed that prior to the events of GTFO,
Dauda was under investigation by Interpol for his involvement in the "Cornerstone Trials", and prior to his imprisonment within the Complex, was working
under an assumed name for Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) in Chad, Central Africa. Dauda was offered a role working for either Santonian
or Dreyfus Industries under their "Insight" program, a role which he accepted and presumably involved unethical medical procedures. Following this, he expressed
through an audio log that he feels compelled to change himself, but must finish his work." from the "for dummies" doc and the WIKI
swift oasis
Anyone know how Dauda is able to handle weaponry just as efficiently as the othe...
probably some time happend btw us playing him and the moment he went into the HSU to hide himself, maybe he could have learned on the job
HSU having secondary effects on memory, it would be interesting to see that prisoners are able to learn much quicker, like a child learns quicker a language, HSU freeing some memory storage xD
subtle verge
Experience & practical use goes a lot further than one might think, especially during a life-or-death scenario. Mix that with the fact that a lot of time has (I think) passed between the events of R1 to R6, and the fact that you're running with three very battle-hardened individuals... you can have a very proficient firearm user pretty quickly.
swift oasis
especially when missing shots means death
subtle verge
Not to mention you're also pretty much running on muscle memory and instinct after a certain amount of time.
compact kindle
I think Iona puts it the best
toxic wagon
Dauda is just a Chad
subtle verge
There is that, as well.. Chad Theory.
compact kindle
The HSU does have a very tangible effect on one’s memory
subtle verge
The HSU, as far as we know, only wipes long-term memory and doesn't replace it with anything.
swift oasis
i need an hsu to discover again what is the feeling to discover skyrim for the first time
compact kindle
L ma o
toxic wagon
If getting into a HSU can make me forget about her I'll do it
swift oasis
If getting into a HSU can make me forget about her I'll do it
fck that's a good reason as well
subtle verge
To bring it full circle from previous conversations, we know that muscle memory and instinct remain after the HSU memory wipe process, as that is allegedly the whole idea behind Project Legion: creating the perfect soldier. Can't question the morality of an order if you don't have a basis of/for morality.
toxic wagon
perfect soldier
subtle verge
So I guess Iona is correct in a very layman's terms: they're able to pick up on things faster because they aren't bogged down by memories or brain processes.
subtle verge
Would be the same thing as knowing something, but not knowing why you know it.
swift oasis
Me playing Dauda with 80% med efficiency
Dauda is not a soldier, Dauda is a walking hospital lol
toxic wagon
Dauda just has short blade skill ^
quick grove
Me playing Dauda with 80% med efficiency
me using knife to kill giant and still having 100% health
solar nova
Anyone know how Dauda is able to handle weaponry just as efficiently as the othe...
Apparently KSOs are trained, so it's possible Dauda has gone through that. Unclear if training is actual or virtual.
solar nova
HSU having secondary effects on memory, it would be interesting to see that pris...
Probably not, my understanding is that learning has much more to do with brain plasticity than how much you've experienced or remember.
There might be ways to improve that from hydrostasis, but it's probably not an inherent function of it.
quick grove
Dauda never went through anything
He only locked him self in it lol
Oh wait nvm
Who knows if training is virtual he somehow knows how to use guns and tools
wraith yoke
i'm guessing they are in virtual training while in stasis
swift oasis
actually there is a low chance, in the logs/wiki the HSU stops literally everything in the human body, heart, brain activity, everything, so imo there is no way there is a virtual training coz the brain is just shut down as well as every other organ, the body is considered temporally dead
@wraith yoke
wraith yoke
Ah, well that kills that theory
solar nova
I think at least one log mentions a "training module," which suggests that BIOCOM does have methods of training KSOs.
There's Schaeffer's odd talking points about "how do we know its name?"
That could have other explanations, though.
swift oasis
a theory including that they are awaken from time to time to use a kind of "training module" (one time or multiple time) between HSU sessions could make sense
solar nova
Nvm, misremembering:
Marcus,
We have seen similar issues with operatives making statements that seem to come out of nowhere, but that's usually related to some outside stimulus or a poorly structured objective module. Please send me the ID of the operative so I can offline them and research. As for the other issue - maybe the schematics it had were corrupted and it thought the closet was a waypoint? I doubt if we need to worry about it.
Angela.
I suspect that they must receive some kind of training, though, obviously when Kovac was still kicking but BIOCOM might have access to its own methods.
solar nova
Again, the WRDN is BIOCOM, but BIOCOM is not the WRDN.
It makes sense to refer to BIOCOM here, since it's probably a general function, although it's possible the WRDN has unique methods available to itself.
quick grove
Was the WRDN active at that time or lurking in the system
solar nova
Probably active in that log, but not super relevant to the general question of "can BIOCOM train KSOs independetly?"
quick grove
So could've the WRDN tell the KSO's using the training module at the time to go to the closet?
solar nova
The log alleges that BIOCOM may have altered the objective stack. So, it may have assigned the closet objective (probably the WRDN).
quick grove
The log alleges that BIOCOM may have altered the objective stack. So, it may ha...
Yep thats what im trying to say
solar nova
Well, if it was training that's very different, but okay.
quick grove
So the WRDN at the time could've changed the objective stack?
solar nova
Yes.
quick grove
Ah okay
So the WRDN might have something to do with the objective stacking
Maybe
We'll never know
solar nova
Ms. Klein,
I've been going through the Biocom logs from last month (March-April 2054). I do this every so often to confirm that objective stacking and prioritization is functioning as expected. It's usually all fine except for the odd hiccup if an operative has an unexpected reaction to a PRDM or a temperature dropped in their pod or something - meaning it's invariably an outside issue and not Biocom related.
But last month we had two issues with the objective stack which seem to come directly from Biocom. These are two separate operatives of different generations, using different boosters, on two unrelated missions.
The first issue I noticed was the operative was ordered to escort a group of environment techs through a restricted zone, surveil them as they cleared some blockage in a vent, then escort them out of the restricted zone. The operative completed the first four entries on the objective stack, but then added a new objective to the stack. It went to a storage closet, unlocked the door, waited for 6 minutes inside the closet, then returned to the environment tech and continued with the original stack. It didn't take anything from the closet, didn't speak to anyone, and didn't initiate any combat. It's very weird. I don't know where the new objective came from, or how it slotted in to the stack so easily - but only Biocom can do this. It's almost as if someone was testing me to see if we'd notice. I'd appreciate it if you told me if this was a test of some kind. I don't want to burn hours on something like this if it was contrived.
The second issue is likely more related to you. An operative told the scientist they were guarding that Project Insight "you must stop". The scientist asked the KSO to repeat the statement, but the KSO ignored him and resumed its patrol.
So, apparently BIOCOM can edit the objective stack.
quick grove
Ah so ye that highly really likey probably maybe displays the WRDN doing something
Maybe it was testing its abilities
Or access to certain things
solar nova
Assuming this is referring to the "stack" data structure, what's probably happening is there's a list of objectives KSOs are assigned to with certain priorities, and new objectives can be added to this lists (the top of the stack) to be done first if they're the highest priority.
quick grove
Ah and the WRDN was probably trying something?
solar nova
Yeah, it seems like it might have been testing the waters to see what it could get away with.
That, or it had some nebulous goal in mind that it needed to achieve.
quick grove
Theres a log erm somewhere thats talks about something rerouting power to KDS deep was this the WRDN doing as well?
quick grove
That, or it had some nebulous goal in mind that it needed to achieve.
Welp the warden is a Military D.I so who knows
solar nova
PCS alert: *unauthorized access logged*
Date: 04/05/2054
AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
Probably.
solar nova
This is between Lorde and Piros, and my expectation is that neither would be equipped to notice something is fishy.
quick grove
Ah oky
solar nova
Lorde is just a SMC employee (area coordinator, apparently). Piros is a big shot in KDS, but I don't think he'd have the technical expertise, he's just helping to run the show. Other people are payed for that.
solar nova
Doesn't seem like it, Marcus is the main person to suspect anything weird is happening in the log posted above.
solar nova
We know things were still operational post-lockdown, but the original event is unclear.
quick grove
Ah oky
solar nova
Shit doesn't hit the fan for 4 days after the report is dated.
solar nova
We don't have any indication of the WRDN doing things for a few months after the lockdown and explosion.
quick grove
Ah oky
So the WRDN was absent in everything for most parts until it just like woke up and said aight boys time to wake up and go down
solar nova
Well, when we do have indications of the WRDN it's not the gameplay of GTFO, it's the power system alerts and the weird KSO behavior logs.
The complex remains in operation for some time after that, we don't know how long, probably at least a year if not even longer.
From the lockdown report to our oldest dated log.
quick grove
What's the audio intercept and shortwave transmission thing
solar nova
Oct 7 is lockdown
Oct 11 is EBDT and bio tracker alerts
Oct 13 is explosion
Nov 14 Lockwood announces changes in response to explosion
solar nova
What's the audio intercept and shortwave transmission thing
WHO broadcast.
solar nova
Probably
quick grove
Ah okay
solar nova
It depicts "unknown biomass" rushing up several floors in sequence.
and occupying several zones.
quick grove
Oh so that could be them sleepers
solar nova
The biggest mystery is why Schaeffer waits 2 days to talk about it, seems to imply they're somehow unrelated.
Especially EBDT, which seems like it should be directly related to the energy blast.
@swift oasis
It's more-so a coding thing than standard English.
A stack is a list of items where-in you are intended to insert new items at the end (top) of the stack, and then you can remove them from the end of the stack. The log also mentions priorities. This suggests that, rather than removing things from the end of the stack, the highest priority things closest to the end of the stack are removed first.
Presumably, this is just a priority stack with objectives for KSOs to do. So, if I have a stack to get DNA from HSU_215 and collect 12 Personnel IDs (in that order), the KSOs would be directed to collect the IDs first, then get the DNA core sample. If the HSU were higher priority than the PIDs, then they would instead get the HSU first and then get the PIDs. Presumably, when the stack is being interacted with, BIOCOM is adding new objectives at the end. So, if there's a locked door to get to the HSU, then BIOCOM will add "get KEY_PURPLE_512" to the stack, so it will be done first thing, and then it will get removed once the key is collected and the objectives would continue as normal.
Does that help?
quick grove
The biggest mystery is why Schaeffer waits 2 days to talk about it, seems to imp...
Wait what do you mean
solar nova
Wait what do you mean
The Schaeffer and changes logs are both referring to Oct 13th, but all of the EBDT logs are dated Oct 11th.
It is possible that shit was going haywire earlier, and it just happened to peak 2 days later.
but the dating discrepancy is still a bit odd.
quick grove
Ah okay
solar nova
Very possible, as well, that Dauda's final log is from around that time.
quick grove
When he goes on to the HSU?
solar nova
Yeah.
quick grove
Ah so dauda could've been stuck in a HSU pod until the WRDN woke up
solar nova
Pretty much.
quick grove
Damn
swift oasis
<@!278236589618888704>
It's more-so a coding thing than standard English.
A...
thank you 
swift oasis
why the heck would you want to put a baby in a HSU o_O
R3D1's objective was : "imprinted Neonate needs to be secured and connected to the Neural Frame (nFrame)" what was the purpose, didnt to R3
really wandering why the WRDN wanted to "connect" a baby, and why KDS or Dreyfus/SMC would need babies
frozen inlet
Im not well aligned with GTFO lore but as far as i know, we dont know the full intentions of the Warden? I think its more like "we do what it wants without knowledge or questions"
considering the baby is in a HSU it might be to make more prisoners
swift oasis
considering the baby is in a HSU it might be to make more prisoners
nope, considering HSU wipes out most part of the memory, it's way cheaper to put adults in those things, wipe their memories instead of waiting a baby to grow up (+ the fact HSU stops every organ, means the baby can't grow up).
found the answer on reedit : "find an operational machine to imprint the deceased's genetic information onto neonate HSU, the end goal is to take the HSU - now able to fool the security systems - to the complex at the bottom of the Rundown so that the Warden can take control of the systems." Its usecase is to put in it dna from dead admins, to be able to pass any security. Jeez that's creepy
still no idea why KDS/SMC would have neonate HSU in the complex
frozen inlet
we need more levels and missions like that
i miss old GTFO objectives
now it feels
swift oasis
indeed
swift oasis
wished to freak out carrying a dead baby to shove in it stranger's DNA xD
solar nova
found the answer on reedit : "find an operational machine to imprint the decease...
Not sure if we know that, this is just one interpretation.
The best log association we have is anything related to the Rise Project, but the connection here is very weak. We know it has to do with HSUs, there's a shipment, an unrelated shipment log involves neonate HSUs, and that's about it.
swift oasis
anything else we know about the Rise project ? @solar nova didnt see logs explaining what it is
but I remember the term indeed
solar nova
Are you using the log database?
solar nova
There should be a tag you can search for
"Rise" works for me.
This is it for what we know.
swift oasis
My bad I mean is there any theory about the rise project ? speculations on the discord ,
?
@solar nova i'm using this one https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=4330fedca48c4676b5fee1edafa15638 i do no see the rise project tag, same website ?
solar nova
Oh, besides that it might be an explanation of the neonate HSUs, we know nothing.
solar nova
<@!111990475744944128> i'm using this one https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27...
Yep. If you're on board view, it might require you to click a button to show more, but I'd just recommend using the search bar.
We just know that Santonian approved the project for KDS and that Janson Davies has interest in it.
It was approved very early, as well, 2052.
R6 was the first ever mention of it, with 3 logs (only 2 chains of emails) that don't elaborate on it much at all.
swift oasis
it is possible that the nam-v has spread out and killed most human in 2052 or does that happen later on ?
solar nova
March, 2053 is when NAM-V reaches the surface.
swift oasis
okay
solar nova
April 2052 is when NAM-V starts spreading within Garganta.
swift oasis
Theory : before april 2052 some scientists imagine a unethical project regarding a new way of perpetrating the human race (artificially) : tests on human juveniles is planned.
April 2052 NAM-V starts spreading within Garganta
May 2052 : CTO of Dreyfus, aware of the NAM-V threat, take in consideration the unlikely scenario where they could lose control of the situation, in this case, regarding the NAM-V effects within the complex, mankind could be in danger, so he launchs the project in order to prevent and give a chance to the artificial creation of humans. Later, the tests on juveniles are done in the Garganta complex, far away from any media/political organisation and especially far away from the public opinion.
solar nova
Only wrench is that they don't recognize something is wrong until December 2052.
swift oasis
Only wrench is that they don't recognize something is wrong until December 2052.
ive read the logs some time ago, there is a lot of information but im not sure, do you know which log or when they faced for the first time "sleepers" ?
solar nova
ive read the logs some time ago, there is a lot of information but im not sure, ...
Oct 2053, which is very late. If "Heading for the core" and "Re: Additional security" are related, then as early as March 2051, which is extremely early.
swift oasis
Oct 2053, which is very late. If "Heading for the core" and "Re: Additional sec...
correct me if im wrong but for me it's January 16th 2053, Edgar (when he talked to Dr Teale) talked about an invisible sleeper
solar nova
Ah, that would definitely count.
swift oasis
Oct 2053, which is very late. If "Heading for the core" and "Re: Additional sec...
march 2051 seems indeed extremly early, but for now I can't see any other reason why they would need so much KDS presence and especially such a complex security measures like BIOCOM, they are trying to protect themselves from something. Otherwise they would have very high security measures near the surface and not deep underground. My opinion is that the leaders knew something went wrong, that only a team or two were involved/injured/died (even if the threat was not big at that moment and that's why they installed BIOCOM. After that I guess the situation was stable for a long period of time (a year or something) until the few member involved (probably KSO, may explain why the secret has be so well hidden for a whole year) showed signs of contamination and therefor slowly started spreading NAM-V.
I want so much to know more lore about this game my mind is inventing very sketchy theories :'))
otherwise why would you need a "rapid response deployment" (Re: Additional security) underground, spies / jurnalist / a runaway worker / any other threat would have to go trough the surface gate and pass security posts
"military" rapid response deployement is implied, medical rapid response would have made more sense
solar nova
Seems fairly plausible.
There's a lot to chew on in the database, tbh.
Loads of apparently disparate information that's actually closely related.
eternal talon
Im not well aligned with GTFO lore but as far as i know, we dont know the full i...
Read the "for dummies" doc. It explains the basics
And as for the neonate, my best guess would be they were tying to genetically engineer a human immune to the virus while it was wreaking havoc across the facility and the world as a whole, but didn't finish it in time.
tall anchor
And as for the neonate, my best guess would be they were tying to genetically en...
I wonder if they were genetically engineering a better soldier
subtle verge
I wonder if they were genetically engineering a better soldier
This would be my best guess, honestly. Stem cells are incredibly absurd with the things they're capable of doing.
analog frigate
it would coincide with making a sort of "perfect" army
having a person that is not only genetically engineered, but also would doubtlessly follow your commands would be quite close to what i imagine KDS wanted
tall anchor
Well, you can’t genetically engineer someone to follow your orders
analog frigate
true, but you can brainwash them afterwards
tall anchor
that would be all on imprinting, something that would be likely to happen after, another use for the neonate
analog frigate
probably yeah
subtle verge
I would guarantee they would also use a semi-dogmatic approach with that as well, similar to how organized religions can create zealotry in certain parts of the world.
"This what you know, this is how you will act" kind of scenario.
subtle verge
Well, you can’t genetically engineer someone to follow your orders
While this is correct, there is evidence that genetics do play a part in being agreeable to things.
Environment is obviously still the true factor for the outcome, of course.
finite vine
And as for the neonate, my best guess would be they were tying to genetically en...
yea this is what I was thinking, the neonates could have something to do with genetically engineering the next generation of humans to help them survive the mutations NAM-V causes.
full hull
Do we know how bad the surface situation is? Iirc it was said somewhere that the infection spread to the surface
finite vine
Do we know how bad the surface situation is? Iirc it was said somewhere that the...
Well in a log from 2053, the WHO said that there is a 90% probability that the virus in present in all continents, so NAM-V most certainly spread all around the world.
From an audio interception by BIOCOM in 2057, we know that there is no naturally occurring immunity or vaccine for NAM-V, and the short term symptoms include hallucinations and tightening in the bones, both of which sound quite bad. We don't really know the long term symptoms of NAM-V, although I remember reading somewhere that it causes somatic mutation, which is basically cancer.
So a lot of people on the surface are probably dead or heavily damaged.
full hull
Do we know if the sleepers and the like are the result of advanced stages of NAM-V or something else?
finite vine
We currently don't know if NAM-V has anything to do with sleepers
full hull
Got it
finite vine
I believe it does though. People speculate that NAM-V infecting a person, in conjunction with a parasite (the tongue of the sleeper), creates sleepers, and people that get infected with NAM-V and do not have a parasite infect them, simply just die
full hull
It would be interesting if the surface was filled with different enemies we have yet to see and we had missions where we had to go to the surface and clear out an area or recover an item or the like
finite vine
Yea that would be cool
full hull
Sleepers that has adjusted to the sunlight and as such were much less responsive to light but as a trade off were extra sensitive to noise
solar patio
So NAM-V and the parasite could basically have evolved together in symbiotic relationship?
finite vine
So NAM-V and the parasite could basically have evolved together in symbiotic rel...
yes
solar patio
Yeah. Interesting... I wonder if that means that there was some other biological life on red alpha where NAM-V and the sleepers developed together.
Or maybe in the Aztecs?
I'm unsure what that log is all about honestly
Has anyone talked about that?
full hull
Which log?
solar patio
The one discussing the Aztecs,. About "Flea Demons" and all that.
finite vine