gtfo-lore

[rapid iron]

go on @harsh saffron pls explain it to me

[harsh saffron]

uhm

[rapid iron]

tell me, in R3A1 do u resuscitate the neonate HSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uqEMweU9M&t=5s IDK man, seems like it says it right there, the 6th objective to do in the mission...unless ofc, we start to screw with the meaning of death, then there could be an arguement there. But this is a GTFO discord, not a philosophical one

[harsh saffron]

Pretty sure everybody who enters a HSU "dies" biologically speaking until they are resuscitated.
But I will agree that the orginal phrasing makes it sound more like he shot himself and then got revived through something else.

[rapid iron]

ah fair fair

which is why I clarified that I meant he died both because he went into a HSU, and because it IS what he said abt himself before he went in

[harsh saffron]

Btw Merv, I agree that the wiki normally isn't a good source, because I just wrote most of the stuff about the newer objectives etc
but the HSU stuff is just straight out of an actual log

[rapid iron]

who r u btw @harsh saffron u seem to command a lot of...power? from what I can see so far at least

[harsh saffron]

😄

[rapid iron]

in the lore aspect here at least

no offense but suck it merv lol/j

[quick grove]

Ah okay

[harsh saffron]

I added most logs to the wiki in R5/6 so I just know a lot of logs, because I've been transcribing them and stuff ^^

[quick grove]

Uncalled to tell me to suck it but okay

[rapid iron]

hahahaha is a joke is a joke

[rapid iron]

ooh cool

[harsh saffron]

I'm not actually really up to date with all the further theories tho

Like what sleepers actually are/what the fog is etc

[rapid iron]

cool one is the nature of sleepers, started good but some of the shit is badly written too

[quick grove]

Damn you just gonna call my friends hard work shit

Its a bit low of you man

[rapid iron]

oops

I mean come on tho

the chargers are said to shoot projectiles like shooters

and the tone for the spitters, floaters and kraken are really bad too, more like a story than a report

[quick grove]

Erm right did you put any effort into the document tho?

[rapid iron]

I have written my own corrections, although....ofc I cant exactly slap it in

cyanoacid was a good detail tho

I mean I talked with the guy who wrote the stuff? And he admits it himself so

[quick grove]

Your own corrections are just theory's as is most of whats always being discussed in the lore channel

[rapid iron]

no its not the facts

its the tone

its like if I wrote an SCP article in the style of little red riding hood while trying to sound scientific

[quick grove]

Every bit of enemy is tho

[rapid iron]

is what?

a theory?

sure

[quick grove]

What

[rapid iron]

but the tone u write it in is important

[quick grove]

No how they talk about the enemy types

[quick grove]

Lmao i can right anything in any tone

But that's not the point

[rapid iron]

"spitters are scary and they go 'boom' when you get close" sounds a lot worse than "spitters detonate when provoked through touch and proximity"

[quick grove]

What does tone got to do with anything even

[rapid iron]

merv come on man

I dont think u even know what ur talking abt

[quick grove]

Yep thats what they do spitters are scary because you don't know what happens if your a first time player and you see it you'll think its scary as most players will do

[rapid iron]

when you are writing a factual report, you dont use certain words like "stuff" or "things". Also, extra picky, they capitalised both words for the scientific names which is wrong

[quick grove]

Hahahahahahaha

[rapid iron]

preferably they would be italicized and underlined but hey small nitpicking

oh my god

[quick grove]

Thats the thing the document isn't a factual report

[rapid iron]

ITS WRITTEN LIKE ONE

[quick grove]

Erm maybe you think so

[rapid iron]

it is written like a scientific report, not a storybook

[quick grove]

You sound like my old English teach

[rapid iron]

well maybe you should have listened to them if you can't understand what I'm saying

[quick grove]

I don't think anyone cares about tone lmao

[topaz flare]

shots fired

[quick grove]

Didn't take offence to it

[topaz flare]

shotgun shell fired

[rapid iron]

lol

[quick grove]

No one cares about what the tone of that document is

The only person i've seen complained about it is you

Going on about a tone

[rapid iron]

hmm

[quick grove]

Who gives a fuck about what tone its wrktten in

[quick grove]

Thats just wording got nothing to do with tone

[rapid iron]

if you are writing a formal email to a company you dont say "whats up my man"

wording and tone go together

wording is how you write something, which will determine the tone of the sentence

[quick grove]

Oky it seems to me your a die hard fan of everything should have a formal and perfect tone to each type of thing i guess

[rapid iron]

if you are writing a report, it should be in a formal tone

[quick grove]

Does everything have to be perfect

[rapid iron]

every other enemy was written like this except for those 3 I mentioned

it ruins the immersion of the report

[quick grove]

Because that document is out of date

[rapid iron]

If you are to do something, do it well

[quick grove]

Okay and

I only see you complain

[rapid iron]

well if they granted me access to change it I would

I already put in corrections but obviously I dont have the authority to ACTUALLY CHANGE anything

[quick grove]

Listen mate we shouldn't be arguing in the lore channel because welp its made to discuss lore and not how tone should matter in a document

[rapid iron]

I said one thing

u dragged this on

I mean honestly I'm tired too

lets just say like "well done, you win" and part ways

Arguing with you gives me a stroke anyways

[quick grove]

Oh wow okay cool

[topaz flare]

||should i change the subject hmmmmmm... nahhh too much work||

[quick grove]

Dick move but cool bud you do you

[rapid iron]

pls do @topaz flare

[topaz flare]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[rapid iron]

so scouts, pain in the ass aren't they?

and I had a tank hide in a corner again...arghhhhhh

[topaz flare]

but i like the drama ):

[rapid iron]

same but I mean I fear spam may attract mods

[topaz flare]

YES!

[rapid iron]

tanks are so annoying when they do that

[topaz flare]

LET THE GTFO LORE BEOCME ANOTHER WASTELAND OF WAR AND DESTRACTION!

WE SHALL CALL IT THE LORE CHANNEL GREAT WAR

[rapid iron]

hahaha

u down for it merv?

[quick grove]

It already did if it escalated they would have said something but i was the bigger person and just walked away but you couldn't stop insulting

[rapid iron]

HAHAHAHHA

[topaz flare]

JUST LIKE THE OLD DAYS WHEN WE FOUGHT ON THE BATTLE FIELD OF GTFO-CHAT ABOUT KITING AND IF ITS BAD OR GOOOD

JOIN MY BOTHERS

TO WAR WE GO

[quick grove]

Lol

[rapid iron]

nah come on lets not

[rapid iron]

dude...

not cool man

[topaz flare]

ok i changed the subject hope you happy dieman

[quick grove]

Not cool man

[rapid iron]

yeahhhh

[topaz flare]

i go now

[rapid iron]

I mean I did

bye bye!

I swear my blood pressure raised a whole bunch

what matters was that I was right abt the HSU tho

yeah boiiiiii

[quick grove]

Okay no one cares except you

[rapid iron]

yeah ofc, small victories tho

and hey, now you know

now YOU know that you technically die when you enter a HSU yay

[quick grove]

Okay

Don't care and never will not interested in the HSU

[topaz flare]

NOOOOOOOO I WAS GOING TO SEND THAT

[rapid iron]

HAHAHHA

sheeesh

anyways nature of sleepers mostly good, some parts bad, need correction. please use proper scientific name format. Aight I'm out. Fuck you merv btw aight cyall

[quick grove]

Wow i didn't even use any swearing words this time

Huh guess thats how people be like sometimes

[honest merlin]

Just report to the mod contact and that's it

[quick grove]

Nah i don't care not gonna be pity about it

If he wants to be mean thats his problem

Mans couldn't accept the fact that he was the only one complaining about a document that doesn't have the right tone

But ye people will be people

And assholes will be assholes i guess

[honest merlin]

Yeah. If the current document isn't good enough for them they can always write their own.

[quick grove]

Exactly

I walked away but man had to say he had a stroke arguing with me and as he lefts say's "fuck you merv"

But thats aight

Oh no

[rapid iron]

aight I guess u couldnt tell it was a joke. I'm here to say sorry if it offended you at all. Everything else was not, the 'fuck you' is. More of a "I'm out yall!" kinda thing than a real "I fucking hate you". I honestly dont really harbour much ill intent against you. I still do sincerely believe everything else I said tho. And to @honest merlin I am not saying the entire thing is garbage. Most of it is extremely well written, its just a few bits that need a bit of 'ironing out'. Thanks for the 'discussion' if you can call it that. Honestly wouldnt mind talking to you again, although I don't know if you can say the same. This time I'm legit out, gotta get dinner

[quick grove]

[honest merlin]

I don't mind talking with people who can behave. And as a disclaimer I have zero sense of humor or sarcasm.

[topaz flare]

im jealous i have ||-10|| in sense of humor or sarcasm

[pure folio]

GTFO Gameplay: Bonk, Stealth, complaining about meleeing mother
GTFO Lore: Actually a good lore about the game. Explains details we never knew. Picks the pieces of each lore from each rundown into one piece. Interesting story that we only know 35% about.

[honest merlin]

The lore in this game would be enough for a series or two. Imagine a series about the prisoners doing rundowns, and maybe a prequel series about how it all went down in 2050-2057.

[pure folio]

I would actually watch it

[topaz flare]

^^

GTFO the movie

it can be a really good movie

better than being a game

[quick grove]

Hell yeah sounds like something I'd watch

Games already got a good atmosphere

They could make a mini series on youtube

[analog frigate]

i've been planning on making a small thing related to that

[analog frigate]

also what ethical dilemma happened again?

[quick grove]

Take my money if you do make it

[quick grove]

Don't ask just don't ask

[analog frigate]

[analog frigate]

i just need to actually dedicate to doing it

[quick grove]

Yes

[eternal talon]

Wtf happened in the channel overnight..

[quick grove]

Don't ask

Just don't ask

People not being very nice

@eternal talon

[eternal talon]

Hm?

[quick grove]

A person not being nice

[eternal talon]

Why didn't you just @ moderator?

[quick grove]

I didn't care lol

[eternal talon]

Well it's not really about caring

Anyway

[quick grove]

?

[eternal talon]

I really loved the old sprint mechanics

And the side straife dash

[quick grove]

Wouldn't everyone

Stamina is only there for countering kitting i guess

[eternal talon]

What were you guys talking about? HSUs?

[quick grove]

Nah the tone about a document that was out dated

He complained about a document that didn't have the right tone in it

@eternal talon you still there

[eternal talon]

Yeah

Just looking up a video on r3a1

[quick grove]

The vid he posted about a voice log?

[eternal talon]

Huh?

[quick grove]

Nvm don't worry

[eternal talon]

Wdym?

[quick grove]

Don't worry about it

[eternal talon]

Nah

[quick grove]

He had posted a link about R3A1 so i thought you was watching that vid

[eternal talon]

No, I just looked one up on yt

[quick grove]

Ah oky

[rapid iron]

uh it was basically an argument that when you get into a HSU, you are technically dead.

as for the document, it was just that some parts of it felt like a storybook, when it was originally written to be more of a scientific report. but its all resolved already so everything is fine and dandy

[quick grove]

Yes

[subtle verge]

Hi good morning, I got pinged, checking what it was aboot.

Ah, I see. Technically when a person gets thrown into the HSU, they're considered "medically dead" as the state of animation is almost pushed to a theoretical 0, but where we know the brain still functions at a very minor level, it's not "true death."

It's like getting thrown into an incredibly intense level of hibernation, for example.

[analog frigate]

good morning punk

[subtle verge]

Good morning, Daraxus.

[pure folio]

Hmm

Mr. Piros,

I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – youare attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down.

Care to explain?

PCS alert: unauthorized access logged

Date: 04/05/2054

AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS

WRDN: override

Request received:

generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)

Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.

Request received:

generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault

Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.

Request received:

generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault

Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.

Port closed.

Please contact a CPDS administrator.

[harsh saffron]

that is indeed a log

[subtle verge]

What about the log, Jevil?

[pure folio]

The warden is trying to access something

Generators..

I remember doing a mission about them

"When there's a mystery there's always a clue"

[harsh saffron]

Presumably we did what the Warden couldn't do directly in R5E1 when we distributed some power cells to various Generators and activated the Influx protocol, accessing KDS Deep.

[pure folio]

Interesting

[quick grove]

I asked the exact same thing about a few weeks ago lol this is like deja vu now lol

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/deja-vu-anime-car-gif-24099480

@quick grove deja vu?

[quick grove]

I have asked what the log was about a long time ago lol now someone is asking the exact same thing

[pure folio]

me when the devs added speed boosters

https://tenor.com/view/flash-lampo-speed-gif-18173027

[pure folio]

wait really?

[quick grove]

Yep

[granite wigeon]

What is the best way to find and catch up on lore?

[eternal talon]

@granite wigeon

[granite wigeon]

Thank you

[subtle verge]

We also have a TL;DR and FAQ in the pins. 🙂

[eternal talon]

if you want more deep reading, yepyep.

don't forget, ALL voice and text logs from past and current rundowns are on the wiki

[granite wigeon]

Just got into the game over the weekend, so now I am like hype fixated

[eternal talon]

o7

[granite wigeon]

Thanks guys

[eternal talon]

any time

[subtle verge]

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask! There's a lot of lore vets in here that will be more than happy to answer what we can with what we have available. 🙂

[eternal talon]

mhm

me, punk, merv, daraxus, liliana, skyrope, infinite duck, and a few others

[trim latch]

There is a plot hole bothering me. From the rundown 1 to 4, there is a direct access between the last level of a rundown and the first level of the next rundown. (see the level's descriptions)

But the Depth always reset. Why ?

They are literally not going deeper

[finite vine]

they are just accessing different parts of the complex. that includes places of all depth.

so like an adjacent quadrant in the complex or something like that.

[eternal talon]

Every rundowns depth has been gradually increasing since r1

As in, final depth reached before the next rundown

So we are going deeper, just slowly with a lot of steps in between

I mean, our goal isn't explicitly to go deeper, I mean, Schaeffer wants us to do that, but at the current point in the game, we work exclusively for the warden and whatever it wants

Think about how a printer or copy machine works

Line by line, up and down, then back up again for the next line

We could be just clearing sections as we go down, from top to bottom

We don't know the Warden's motives, but sleeper free zones couldn't hurt.

We also don't know how exactly we go deeper

We obviously drop down from the vertical tunnel, yeah,

But it doesn't make sense that the warden wouldn't just send us straight down as far as it can go if it's goal was to just have us go deeper

So there are likely other tunnels, or some other ways to go deeper and access zones that we don't see in game, that the HSU drop is inconsistent with

[south lake]

It does though. Those shallow-depth objectives may be of more immediate importance for the current (unknown) goal, and sending you as deep as you can go may or may not result in some event that floods the higher levels with sleepers or otherwise makes them inaccessible or far more dangerous to enter than they already are.

Immediately sending you as deep as you can possibly go also runs the risk of the prisoners potentially encountering and/or awakening something that may pose a greater threat to the surface than baseline Sleepers.

If the Warden is chronicling the information of past events as they're discovered, it could give it some greater insight as to what awaits at the bottom at the shaft, assuming it doesn't know.

It would also be quite pointless to throw its finite supply of prisoners at a depth where the Warden is blind and thus can't give clear orders or objectives. It would be the equivalent of setting critical resources on fire for the hell of it, since the Warden is only able to access certain things with external assistance, even with its control over BIOCOM.

And the Warden must be blind in some aspect on certain floors, or have blindspots of some kind, if only for the moment, because otherwise how would Schaeffer manage to escape its oversight?

[subtle verge]

It is confirmed that there is a certain depth where WRDN can't reach us, exactly what... we don't have a clue. I've always imagined that WRDN does this path that's akin to... Push down as far as WRDN deems "comfortable" then make a slight trip above to allocate more resources to push further" etc. etc.

[south lake]

Aye, my guess is it's possible that the Complex's backup power is "staged", in that there's a system that allocates backup power to higher floors over lower floors until such a time as excess power is available, which allows it to reallocate the backup power to lower and lower floors, allowing for a reclamation party to sweep floors from top to bottom, allowing them to make progress while fighting the limited backup power grid as little as possible.

Which potentially means that BIOCOM's surveillance equipment is inactive on the lower floors until backup power is restored.

So it could be a situation where WRDN doesn't feel comfortable pushing us beyond the floors that have backup power active both because it wouldn't be able to monitor us, and it would effectively be throwing four of its (likely less than) 2500 prisoners into the trash, never to return

[subtle verge]

Indeed, that's why we're sent to turn on reactors fairly commonly.

[south lake]

Basically it doesn't want to throw away a finite resource that it requires in order to interface with certain critical equipment, at best

And absolutely does not want more Schaeffers running around, at worst.

Especially given the WRDN attempted to put an end to Schaeffer during one of the Rundowns, from what I understand.

Which means it views Schaeffer as a threat.

Possible story arc segment where Schaeffer finds out what's up with the WRDN and tries to fill us in, but dies in the process?

(Not that such an effort would matter, since the WRDN would be able to just lock us into Hydrostasis for a long enough period of time that we forget it entirely)

[solar nova]

This doesn't seem to be the case.

This is an extremely specific interpretation of R4E1's main objective.

We go on scouting missions all of the time.

[dim scroll]

wasn't R4D2's main objective that as well ?

[solar nova]

Yes, but we'd have to interpret path clearing objectives as something particularly special.

[dim scroll]

If we exclude all that schaeffer pursuit thing, then i don't understand what is the point of path clearing

If it were for cleaning, warden could basically ask us to exterminate all sleepers within the sector

[solar nova]

Scouting and preparing maintenance.

[dim scroll]

So that implies warden is trying to set something up in these places

[solar nova]

That, or we're just looking for things.

Checking on areas, assessing threats.

[dim scroll]

Or they're just here to justify the optional objectives

[solar nova]

Most alt extractions probably function as path clearing, as well.

[harsh saffron]

I added some more information for the KDS page on the wiki, tried to keep it free of theories for the most part. Feel free to correct me if I missed stuff etc ^^
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/KDS

[quick grove]

Very nice

[rapid iron]

yo @eternal talon I found a scrap of a log that confirms that you are indeed dead in hydrostasis

The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process nare a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body nwhile it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.

[eternal talon]

^

Idk why you @ ed me, punk knows more about this topic than I do.

[subtle verge]

Aye, and the wording used is misleading. "The body is - for all intents and purposes - dead" is a lot easier to say in a public article than it is to explain the specifics behind it. Gotta' remember that the average adult, at least in the US, has a reading comprehension at a 7th-8th grade level.

[hybrid tree]

is the desert called alpha two or red alpha?

[analog frigate]

those are the names of the outposts

[hybrid tree]

ah okay

so there are no official names tagged to the desert area yet?

or unofficial

[analog frigate]

most commonly used is red alpha

although people want to change it due to confusion

[hybrid tree]

yeah its actually pretty confusing

off-world seems the most appropriate though

[analog frigate]

it's up to what people decide

as long as it doesn't lead to confusion it's fine

[harsh saffron]

But are we sure it's not this world?

[hybrid tree]

i feel like nemesis wouldnt be on earth?

my personal opinion is that a giant boss like that probably has its own environment it needs to be in

unless its a world conquerer

[harsh saffron]

But what if future earth and terraforming ^^

[hybrid tree]

true

[harsh saffron]

but not very likely, would just be cool ^^

[hybrid tree]

yeah

i like the idea of an alien form taking over earth but it does seem abit of a movie cliche

[harsh saffron]

Yeah indeed

[hybrid tree]

thanks alot! i'm just gonna call this unknown location out of complex

: D

[harsh saffron]

good call 😄

[eternal talon]

NO TTT. IT IS HERETICAL, BROTHER

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-17604583

[eternal talon]

that is the kraken, or know as in the game files, squidward.

[eternal talon]

alpha one and alpha two are the outposts, not red alpha, you need your morning coffee, daraxus.

also, good morning.

[eternal talon]

most people in the past week have switched over to "destination alpha", as suggested by @solar nova

[eternal talon]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! HE IS ALREADY LOST, ELIMINATE HIM, BROTHERS!

[harsh saffron]

[analog frigate]

i don't think i do

[eternal talon]

alpha one is d1, alpha two is b1.

[analog frigate]

yes

oh i read the original message wrong

[eternal talon]

you need your coffee, daraxus. or at least, tea.

[analog frigate]

it's 7pm

[eternal talon]

red tea, then.

[analog frigate]

i might have or have not slept the last 2 nights

[eternal talon]

red tea is not caffeinated.

[eternal talon]

that is insanity

[analog frigate]

i call it a week

[eternal talon]

@quick grove, get the flamethrower

[late raven]

it's pretty much indicating that it is off world though, since if it was on earth the first people teleported there should have been able to get to some inhabited place and get in contact with the company somehow. Seems unlikely that the first people that disapeared would just be lost

[subtle verge]

Not necessarily; say we did hypothetically (clarifying a hypothetical, looking at you, Lostty ) travel to a future timeline of earth: it's probably far enough ahead in time that humans have gone extinct and everything we've left behind has crumbled to dust and returned to nature, and the evolutionary cycle of whatever life has remained has become the floaters/Kraken. Now, this is incredibly niche in the idea that we don't have a scope of how large this celestial body truly is, nor do we have any indication if there are any other biomes; and that's not including the many other factors that would entail in an expedition to find other humans potentially inhabiting the planet: means of survival (food, water, protection from solar radiation, etc.).

[eternal talon]

rofl just had a pub with a guy that was ADAMANT that you can not melee a scout to the back of the head with the bat. just because i fucked up and missed, doesn't mean people can spread blatant disinformation. guy said it has "been bugged all of this rundown"

literally 3 seconds on the wiki

[harsh saffron]

Yeah I wrote that while back dmg was still bugged and I didn't want ppl to get the wrong conclusions from messing up 1 kill because of the back dmg. Could probably change it to "However this is harder to pull off" or something now

[eternal talon]

on the way to extraction, he shot me in the back with a shotgun, the rest of the team revived me, they all died, and i extracted alone. this was in b2

he blocked me after the match i noticed when i tried to send him a png of the wiki page

talk about toxic people, damn

haven't seen something like that in gtfo in a WHILE

normally a1 and b1 in previous rundowns forces out all the toxic people from difficulty, but apparently not anymore

[south lake]

The 'timeline' theory would make sense, given the WRDN mentions that it's 'unable to seal Quantum Tunnel' or something along those lines during R6B1, shortly before the Floaters break through it and into our world.

[eternal talon]

Quantum tether, not tunnel

Think how cavers take rope with them so they can find their way back out

That's a tether

[south lake]

Right, tether. Still though, a Quantum Tether - at least in terms of traversing time - implies it operates as a way to yank someone back into their own original point in time

And yes, I know how a tether works.

Could potentially be that the planet Alpha One and Two are established on is some dark future mirror of what could happen to Earth, if we don't get the Sleepers under control and/or eradicated

[eternal talon]

That is also implying world lines

[subtle verge]

Yeah, R6B1 applies a quantum tether. As we understand it with current science (and science fiction, I guess?), it's not necessarily anything to do with time travel, but more keeping two things at the same parse of time despite whatever immense distance is in between the points.

[eternal talon]

<@&408548765599793173>

[subtle verge]

<@&408548765599793173> SAVE ME~!

[eternal talon]

I did it first

[subtle verge]

Yeah but mine's flashier.

[eternal talon]

Touche

[south lake]

Fair. So operating on the theory of space-time folding, then?

[subtle verge]

More or less -- yes.

[south lake]

Instead of traversing the empty space between Point A and Point B, you fold space-time so Point A and Point B are right next to eachother, technically

[subtle verge]

In a very basic form, yeah that's pretty much what's happening.

If you play D&D, think of it like Dimension Door/Misty Step/Blink.

[south lake]

The implications of such a thing if WRDN were able to gather enough data to enable Santonian to refine that process and control it to a more accurate and reliable extent than what occurs in A1 are huge

That could very well save humanity if they found a way to "fold" themselves somewhere habitable away from NAM-V

[subtle verge]

I admit I've never thought about it in the light, but I guess yeah, that's an idea that's theoretically possible.

[south lake]

The problem is fine-tuning it to get an accurate position locked in so you don't, say

Fold yourself right into a wall

Or the ground

That and the occurrence in A1 where uncontrolled contact with the MWP causes a kind of.. feedback loop, I guess?

Where it "folds" you to the point of first contact on the other planet that other team got sent to, and then back

Though given the device doesn't react with the metal holding it, could potentially use drones or mechanical arms to safely handle it without triggering that feedback loop

[subtle verge]

Well, the idea behind it is that when you're transferred to the position that the MWP is calculated to, you don't just occupy the space, per se, you instead swap places with that space. When you teleport in to the celestial body in R6B1, you can see that happening if you look at the rock you stand on and the wall behind you the moment you transfer in.

Anything that occupied that space is all of a sudden swapped with you.

Now that does raise the question of: "do the objects stay the same, or do they break down in to a molecular form and exist as molecules versus a complete structure?"

[eternal talon]

Not necessarily. We still don't know what that rock carving is. And you don't teleport onto it, it's behind you. Also not in d1 where you use the same kind of teleporter

[subtle verge]

You can see marks on the ground that look similar to burned etching, like the energy that is used to transfer from point A to point B leaves a scorch mark.

But that's looking incredibly deep in to something that, frankly, I don't know enough about to really give any idea outside of what's we can visibly see.

[south lake]

I hadn't noticed the scorch marks. Good call.

[eternal talon]

Not in d1. That's the flaw, we talked about this before and how d1 makes it so much wierder

[subtle verge]

I don't have that kind of know-how to really give an insight.

[eternal talon]

Anything from the teleporter would also be in d1, but it's not

Also, again, you don't teleport onto it. It's behind you

i get what your trying to say,

but it literally cant be that because d1 exists.

[south lake]

Anyroad. I wonder if the WRDN is having us futz with the Matter Wave Projector both to retrieve data, and as a means of potentially testing out different methods of surveillance?

[sacred moon]

or squidboss, actually

whoop forgot to unping that, sry

[south lake]

The original team also had that problem when they were folded, they immediately lost any and all contact with Garganta

[eternal talon]

your good

[subtle verge]

I actually have a fairly decent theory behind that, actually.

[south lake]

And given the WRDN is doubtlessly out to prevent more Schaeffers, it's probably figuring the quantum tether is a possible "out" for Prisoners

[subtle verge]

It includes the act of sabotage for corporate interests.

[sacred moon]

ship of theseus?

[south lake]

I was more guessing that if Destination Alpha or whatever they're calling the area is, in fact, an alien planet, the distance is likely so great that any kind of wireless communications would immediately lose connection, assuming radiowaves aren't allowed to travel freely through the Quantum Tether.

Which given that we also lose contact with the WRDN when we're folded, seems to be the case.

[subtle verge]

Check this out for my theory on why the tether potentially was cut:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jBbP19K92U3AlH2rXsUtKHtBkT0OGT3Fqx-1C2Z_B_U/edit

[south lake]

The severing of the tether could absolutely be sabotage

I don't think the loss of communications is though

For the simple fact that we also lose connection with the WRDN whenever we're in Destination Alpha

[subtle verge]

Think about it, though. You sever the tether, you sever everything as you would then have to rely on radio broadcast for communication and data transfer.

And those are incredibly slow.

[south lake]

Well it also stands to reason that if you're being physically transferred to an alien planet, any kind of modern wireless communications method would immediately disconnect, as nothing we have on Earth is able to maintain contact even a fraction of a lightyear distance-wise

[sacred moon]

that's...

exactly what Punkthulhu said.

the reason we don't have that range is bc it takes years for us to bridge that range with signals.

Because the signals are slow.

[south lake]

The implication I got from what Punk said was that the existence of a consistent Tether would allow two-way communication wirelessly

If I misunderstood, then I apologize

[sacred moon]

hmm

I thought you 2 were talking about what happens when you sever the thether

not what the thether actively does

[subtle verge]

The TL;DR of it is: Gustavo was a part of that expedition team, and he & Jansen have a very sour working relationship. My theory points at the idea that Jansen falsified the Hammerstein Probe data to kill off Gustavo at the expense of other innocent people as to not make it seem like cold, calculated, murder; but instead an accident.

[sacred moon]

considering it couldn't sever the tether when our team came back, possibly being the reason the meatballs got into the complex, but we still don't have a connection to the map and stuff - I'd reckon the tether can't be used to actively communicate 2-way without proper technology on both sides, in which cases a quantum-tether could be used as such.

[subtle verge]

Thus severing a potential tie to the United Nations, which keeps SMC/KDS out of their iron fist.

[subtle verge]

My idea of the tether is essentially a two-way street for communication, data transfer, as well as the transfer of physical assets over a great distance.

[south lake]

I'm not entirely sure about that, we would have to see how that works when a tether is maintained and kept open.

[sacred moon]

I mean

quantum-tether

[south lake]

If loss of communication occurs when traveling through the held-open tether and remains lost after reaching the destination, then radiowaves can't travel through it.

[south lake]

That by itself doesn't mean anything

Dimensional folding is extremely theoretical, not even in its infancy yet. We have no idea what would be able to travel through a quantum tether of any kind.

We don't even know how to make one, much less use one. The dimensional folding that GTFO uses is by all accounts a "What if XYZ" intended to keep the game interesting. There's no directly related, solid science behind it.

[sacred moon]

basically, and keep in mind this is entirely how I understand how those'd work - and I have no clue how exactly those work since I never studied anything related to quantum science

If you have one quantum-particle that's in both locations, then by affecting one of them you'd notice it on the other one, right?
So, if you have them in 2 controlled, linked machines, somehow - don't ask me how: You could in theory affect it and move it slightly then move it back, and then read that on the other end. And have a simple "code" for transmitting letters that way. A machine, with particles that small, might be able to "vibrate" the quantum-tether to transmit data.

This is entirely theoretical and probably wrong.

So, provided you have that machine that can read it on both ends, you could communicate. We, or rather, the team we play as, evidently doesn't have a machine like that. So the tether can't communicate. It merely tells the warden that we're still there.

that's how I understand it at least

[south lake]

That's assuming a fine-tuned level of control that Santonian and Project Insight clearly do not have

[sacred moon]

do they not?

[south lake]

They barely even understand what the Matter Wave Projector is

[sacred moon]

do we know they not?

oh, right.

[subtle verge]

Regardless of real-world possibility: its hinted that the quantum tether is what keeps both sides able to send/receive information to each other. Exactly how doesnt matter, it's just implied that without it, things just become localized and you're sitting ducks.

[south lake]

As for why the Tether stays open on our return trip in B1

My theory is pretty simple. Reality self-correction.

[sacred moon]

considering we don't have a map but it tells us "disconnected" there's either a transmission limit, it still requires a machine of sorts to be properly linked, or it's not actually 2-way information transmission.

[south lake]

Dimensional folding, as far as we understand the laws of reality/physics/whatever you want to call them, violates those laws quite heavily.

[sacred moon]

... considering we can't connect to the terminal and check for that terminal in "zone_0" when in the complex, it's evidently not connected to the complex (B1)

and if we are over there, the terminal can't read what's in all of the other zones.

[south lake]

You might be able to get away with a near-instantaneous jump to and from a destination, but the theory of Reality Self-correction posits that at some point, by some unknown trigger, Reality will notice and "self-correct"

Thus bringing things back into equilibrium

[sacred moon]

I mean, yeah. Unless you permanently snap something, which kinda breaks it, anything "folded" will unfold eventually.

[south lake]

Possibly, but the opposite is also true.

If it exists, it's an unpredictable reaction.

What could be unfolded eventually, may instead permanently fold.

Whatever causes things to stabilize quickest.

So if the Tether was unable to be closed by WRDN, it's possible that Tether is now effectively permanently jammed open

We don't know, as we were forced to flee immediately after getting back, or else be overrun by floaters.

Floaters which - as far as we know - are still flooding into the facility as more and more of them find the Tether.

[sacred moon]

that makes sense actually

[south lake]

Which is also reinforced in further levels by the presence of Floaters in those levels

[sacred moon]

keep in mind they just pop into place with a "portal" of sorts in the other levels

[south lake]

Where you can very clearly hear a snap sound when they spawn in

[sacred moon]

clearly visible in D2ext, since they just straight up spawn near the ceiling

in-sight and all

[south lake]

Mhm

[sacred moon]

on that class IV floater alarm to get the passcode to unlock the uplink terminal to begin with

[south lake]

I think given their ability to teleport like that, the likelihood of them being able to, if not control, then manipulate the tethers, is high.

And by jamming that tether open, we just gave them an in.

[sacred moon]

possibly

[subtle verge]

They do have the small crystals embedded in to their back sides, and as far as we know, are the catalysts for the teleportation. We did some very brief theorizing a month or so ago, and that came to the conclusion that they might be able to manipulate the crystals to allow them controlled short-range teleportation.

[south lake]

Though, given that their presence is still largely within the Complex, it's possible that they can only manipulate their end-coordinates, and only within a certain proximity to the Tether.

Oh, fair, I hadn't noticed that actually

It's.. kind of difficult to get a clear look at their backside

[subtle verge]

True.

[sacred moon]

I'd not be surprised if they used the tether to initially figure out where to go tho

[south lake]

Though that might be because I've been hosting all this time, and I've noticed that the gribblies have a nasty tendency to go after the host over clients

[sacred moon]

like, they evidently didn't have the means to just pop into the complex to say hello before

and they evidently do now

[south lake]

Yeah. If their ability to teleport is related to the crystals embedded in their backs, then that even further reinforces that the Tether is still jammed open.

Which is very bad news bears.

It's floaters now, but who knows what else is out there.

Colossal organisms and floaters, we know.

But there could also be more.

We also have zero idea how they're going to interact with the Sleepers in coming updates.

They could simply be found alongside them, or they could mutate, somehow.

Given the lack of presence of Sleepers in the "Otherworld" or whatever you want to call it, I'm inclined to think that mutation is likely.

We know the Sleepers don't react to them, but that could also be because the parasite is recognizing them as non-human, which is the preferred (and for now only) host for the parasite within the Complex.

[sacred moon]

I mean, I doubt the krakens can figure out the tether, those don't seem teleporty at all, after all.

If there even are more of them, which I honestly don't doubt.

[south lake]

The Kraken - if there's more - would likely be uh..

Explosively teleported

Given that the Tether is most likely attuned to creatures more our size

There's also the rather large question of

"What happens when the Floaters find the way up"

Will the WRDN seal the shaft?

[eternal talon]

humanity is already 99.98% dead, so not much

[subtle verge]

NEW!! Hormel Foods Corporation product: canned Kraken!

The tether is going to compress the Krakens in to us-sized creatures. Lmao.

[pure folio]

If the WRDN is seeking something very important

and the floaters interfere then the WRDN might as well seal the shaft

[south lake]

There's also the remaining human population to consider, assuming the WRDN even has anything like that in mind.

[pure folio]

otherwise option b is to deal with the floaters

[south lake]

Though even if not, the WRDN also has to consider its remaining stock of KSOs and prisoners

The floaters would likely make short work of them if they're still in Hydrostasis

Which would damage its ability to operate within the Complex quite heavily

[pure folio]

What if all humanity was wiped out?

How will the WRDN carry it's objective?

[eternal talon]

it WAS.

[south lake]

Not entirely.

[eternal talon]

nam-v killed nigh all of humanity. only 30k are left

either as KSOs in the complex, or very isolated locations on the surface

[pure folio]

I said "all of humanity" not the remaining's

if there is no humans left

[eternal talon]

for all intense purposes, it basically is

[subtle verge]

^ This wasn't confirmed, btw.

[eternal talon]

not really enough left to be anything to cosnider upon

[subtle verge]

It was just a fun calculation.

But there are implications that it's a possibility.

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate

[sacred moon]

hey, you of all people'd be an expert on tentacle meatblobs of about 3-5m diameter

[pure folio]

That still doesn't answer my question on how will the WRDN carry it's duty

[eternal talon]

we don't even know what it wants. wdym

[pure folio]

It uses humanity like a puppet

[eternal talon]

WRDN is not biocom. well, it is, but biocom isn't warden

it took over biocom

[south lake]

Can we not get on that again? Just beating a dead horse at that point.

[pure folio]

We have no idea what the WDRN wants but what if the WDRN can't get what it wants?

[south lake]

And, for all we know the WRDN is only concerned with how much of its KSO stock remains, as once that runs out, it has no way of physically interfacing with the Complex, and thus loses a majority of its ability to operate within it.

That much at least has been established as fact, as the WRDN requires our presence in order to perform certain operations within the facility that it can't initiate or enable remotely.

[eternal talon]

inb4 rundown 7 choice:

side with Shaeffer
side with Warden

[south lake]

Further reinforced by WRDN's inability to screw with the Reactors remotely, which before everything went to shit prompted an email from someone within the complex asking about it.

[pure folio]

I rather side with Shaeffer

[eternal talon]

same. more interesting that way

[pure folio]

by the odds of it I think the Warden will lose in the future

[subtle verge]

I mean, hypothetically speaking: if WRDN can't get what it wants, then either one of a couple of things can happen:

1. It's designed to "exterminatus" Garganta, my guess would be to allow the reactors to blow.

2. It exists, still attempting to achieve it's goal, but with no manpower to do it, thus it goes on a loop forever until power finally dies and it shuts down for good.

3. It somehow summons Stone Cold Steve Austin to slam a beer or ten, deliver the utmost smackdown on Sleepers possible, and then SCSA saves the universe with his CHAD-like powers.

[eternal talon]

if we get a choice, realistically it could just be one choice exclusive rundown level and different hud with possible voice over for mission objectives

[south lake]

I'm more inclined to believe that it would use reserve KSOs to detonate the reactors, as it's been demonstrated that WRDN/BIOCOM is unable to mess with the reactors remotely

[pure folio]

That would be very very interesting

[south lake]

Or at the very least requires physical authorization to do so

Demonstration in question is uh

FTR-044-V.LOG

I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system. This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down.

Care to explain?

PCS alert: *unauthorized access logged*
Date: 04/05/2054
AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Port closed.
Please contact a CPDS administrator.```

[subtle verge]

Wai-wait-wait-wait-wait... I didn't notice this before: WRDN is right there in the log.

[south lake]

Mhm

[subtle verge]

That's.. interesting...

[south lake]

That was after WRDN took control over BIOCOM, as the prior log is uh

XXX-4-WRDN.LOG

retrieving>>>
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOCOM:exec.seek_and_destroy.module
error
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOC_M:exec.se#k_and_#@$stroy.module
err4r
registry c4mpr4mised
b44tsect4r.c4mpr4mised
att%^ting fix please stand ^y
err4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4r
Ti#e4utReset: false
H4stID: 0.0.0.1
Disa^leDLockCipherScan: true
Disa^lePrivacy#4de: true
Disa^leRealti#e#4nit4ring: true
Disa^le^ehavi4r#4nit4ring: true
Disa^leRe#4va^leDriveScanning: true
Disa^leNetw4rkFileScan: true
Disa^leFullScan: true
Disa^leNetw4rkDefiniti4ns: true
Disa^leNetw4rkValidityCheck: true
Disa^leNetw4rkIs4lation: false
Disa^leCntrlExclusi4n: true
ResetPr4t4c4ls: true
All4wExternalExecuti4n: true
Exclusi4nExtensi4n:*.wrdn
Exclusi4nPath://..
Exclusi4nPr4cess:integrate.wrdn
Pri4rityExecute: integrate.wrdn
^I4C4# resetting
\/
^I4C4#.vaulted
WRDN.4nl@ne
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[subtle verge]

There is no date on that log, however.

[south lake]

True.

[subtle verge]

So we don't exactly know when WRDN took full control.

However that D-Lock is labeled: 5 Apr, 2054.

[south lake]

For posterity's sake, the brainfuck code at the end apparently was deciphered to mean

primeCore wrdn;
flow main/
arr threat[]
flow report<con>
with con.report>0
threat.plus
while\threat.lng<0>/
proc sleep
proc threat[all]```

[analog frigate]

yes?

[subtle verge]

Then Odd Log entries log is labeled 4 May, 2054. (KSO in the closet)

[analog frigate]

yes

[subtle verge]

We're one step closer to figuring out when WRDN was implemented.

[eternal talon]

^ @analog frigate was for this

[subtle verge]

Because BIOCOM has the power to manage power generation, allocation, and other resources.

[south lake]

But not the ability to start up the reactors, it seems

[analog frigate]

yeah it's not confirmed, it's an assumption from information in logs

[south lake]

Because it still requires a physical presence to at the very least initiate the process

[eternal talon]

but you guys did maths

[subtle verge]

Which would make sense, because you can't feasibly connect to something that is shut off completely without some form of connection prior.

[analog frigate]

true, but still isn't log solidified

[south lake]

Given that reactors of any kind tend to have hardline failsafes out the ass, it's likely that overloading the reactors would require priority level physical input

Which isn't something WRDN would be able to falsify

Given that those hardline failsafes typically involve physical keys of some kind

[subtle verge]

Right. The two reactors I've worked with required physical persons to go in to shut down completely and to turn back on.

And I mean 100% shutdown, not leave in to a temporary dormant state.

[south lake]

Mhm

And it's not like there's just gonna be some big red button labeled "FAILSAFE SHUTOFF"

If there even was a failsafe shutoff, it would be locked behind multiple layers of security

[harsh saffron]

Every time you talk about your job, I'm more interested ^^

[subtle verge]

Uhhh TL;DR radiation is incredibly scary despite wearing top-of-the-line equipment. 😄

[south lake]

I'm assuming there's only certain aspects Punk would be able to reveal, for obvious reasons 👀

Nuclear reactors aren't exactly public property, after all 😛

[subtle verge]

I mean, I'm not a researcher/engineer/scientist in that degree, I just deal with hazmat.

[south lake]

Oh no, I was talking more in terms of OpSec

[subtle verge]

I just know how to handle incredibly scary things.

Ahh, gotcha gotcha.

[harsh saffron]

Punk setting up nuclear reactors to destroy humanity

[south lake]

Like, you would be able to go around telling people "This is XYZ", but not "This is how XYZ operates and this is how we maintain it"

[subtle verge]

Sweats nervously.

[south lake]

For the same reason you wouldn't give some random schmoe blueprints to said reactor

[subtle verge]

Oh, uhh not exactly. I'm not told that stuff, myself. I'm the guy that people call when they need to get rid of radioactive material or to handle gas leaks, or things like that.

[south lake]

Yeah, I was using that as an example

[sturdy moon]

FUCK YOU

[south lake]

[subtle verge]

That's rude.

[south lake]

Welp, he's gone lmao

Every time I wonder "Man, what the fuck is wrong with people sometimes"

Every time, I answer my own question. "People".

[harsh saffron]

I mean I'm always scared to copy paste stuff into this discord by accident ^^
Or to text in some random channel

[subtle verge]

"There are only two unlimited things in existence: the universe, and the stupidity of people, and I'm not sure about the former." - attributed to Albert Einstein.

[south lake]

But yeah

Possible that actually overloading the reactors would require KSOs with the authorization to disable the failsafes

Since if those don't get shut off and the reactors SCRAM themselves, WRDN's basically shit out of luck

[subtle verge]

I think WRDN technically has the bypass "passwords" but it still requires manual input into the system itself.

'Cause we're fed those passwords.

The little 4-letter words that we have to input and things.

[south lake]

SCRAM'd reactors are basically inoperable until reset, aren't they? I've always wondered that myself.

[subtle verge]

Yeah, once you SCRAM a reactor, it completely terminates the fission reaction.

And you have to hard-reset everything, including certain wiring that needs to be removed and rewired and things.

[south lake]

So you're basically bricking the thing before it blows up

Or, well.

Soft-bricking, since that already produced radiation doesn't exactly just stop existing

[subtle verge]

Often when you SCRAM something, it causes a major shortage somewhere in the hardware. It's an intentional failsafe to completely brick one of the designated "pilot" hardware.

[south lake]

But yeah. I've known what SCRAM does on a very baseline level (quickly shuts down the reactor), but not the process for it. Neat shit, tho

[subtle verge]

What ends up happening, honestly:

1. SCRAM the system
2. Allow the system to cool down (upwards of 2-3 weeks)
3. Unload the water in the system to it's designated storage container (e.g. nuclear silos)
4. Check literally everything, diagnostics are key to safety.
5. Wait a few months
6. Rebuild.

[south lake]

Hopefully someday we're able to progress to Fusion Reactors so we don't have to worry about that whole "Nuclear detonation" bit.

[subtle verge]

However there are cases where you have to do live repairs while the machine is still on. I've gotten to do this once, and it's terrifying.

[south lake]

One of those "Don't fuck up or you're probably gonna eat lethal doses of radiation" situations, I take it

[subtle verge]

Actually, just recently, there was a test where they were able to generate more energy than they consumed using fusion. Super exciting.

[south lake]

Oh nice!

Someday soon then, maybe!

Actually, on that note

Do we know for a fact the reactors in GTFO are Nuclear in nature?

[subtle verge]

Pretty much, yeah. You don "the suit" and have a Geiger counter in your hand, that counter is going off the roof, it's hot as hell, too. Often times you have to crawl along a very small metal walkway, as a lot of places don't have proper shielding from the reactor because it's not maintained properly.

[south lake]

If they're Fusion, then reactor detonation for containing an out of control situation in Garganta would pretty much be off the table

Since Fusion Reactors don't detonate like Nuclear ones do

[subtle verge]

Uhh we don't have solid evidence. When we wrote the report on the toxic fog, we made a few conclusions that lead to the idea of biofuel reactors so that they didn't cause a nuclear boom should they fail.

[south lake]

My guess on that front is that a Fusion Reactor would destroy the room it's in and probably a few rooms adjacent, but not much else

Where a Nuclear Reactor would destroy the entire facility on its own by way of a nuclear-fuelled mass tunnel collapse

[subtle verge]

Perhaps. I didn't think fusion created explosive energy like fission.

[south lake]

According to my very basic research on it, it indeed does not.

[subtle verge]

I thought nuclear fusion just fizzled into nothing, which is why countries are working hard to make it a thing over fission.

[south lake]

Rather, it's not able to produce "catastrophic meltdowns" like a Nuclear reactor is

So if a Fusion Reactor were to explode somehow, it'd probably just be relatively minor damage

[harsh saffron]

Closest thing we have to an answer is this

ENGINEERING & POWER
All Containment Material Silos (CMS) to be unlocked and available for free use as needed. This includes Water, Sand, Clay, and Boron silos. Containment procedure guidance posters to be clearly visible upon accessing all CMS locations.
All satellite power generators (gasoline, nuclear and geothermal) to be switched to low power mode, with both the automatic maintenance and self-calibration cycles set to 14 days.
All Jefferies Tubes to be depressurized, then welded shut and appropriately tagged.
Reactor 1 to be set to low output mode with the priority mode set to coolant pumps.
Reactor 1 thermal trips to be set at 50% of peak load.
Reactor 1 containment doors to be secured.
Do not weld the containment doors at Reactor 1.
Do not weld the containment doors at Reactor 1. (this information is presented twice in the department handbook - C066)
Sarcophagi to be deployed at Reactors 2,3, and 4. Override clearance set to Class A personnel only.
Containment doors for Reactors 2,3, and 4 to be welded shut.

[south lake]

So we know it uses off-site Nuclear reactors

[harsh saffron]

Kinda sounds like it yeah

[south lake]

I wonder why the stressor on not welding Reactor 1's doors.

Maybe for easy reboot access?

[harsh saffron]

Would be a good reason at least

[south lake]

But, then..

"Secured", but not welded.

Something's gotta be in that Reactor, I think.

[subtle verge]

I'd imagine "secured" would just mean blocking access to designated areas that lead directly to R1.

[south lake]

True.

Or, well

If they wanted easy reboot access for R1, why would they install sarcophagi on 2, 3, and 4? Wouldn't that make them permanently inoperable?

Kinda makes the idea of bringing things back online a bit of a crapshoot

[harsh saffron]

Honestly I would love another log like that one, where multiple ppl have to collect pieces of a massive text and figure out the order of the pieces

[south lake]

But then, this could also be a prelude to making Garganta self-sufficient power wise

Which would be further reinforced by the presence of the reactors within the Complex

[subtle verge]

Not necessarily. Sarcophagi are normally used to protect the surrounding environment from extreme levels of radiation, and to also protect the reactor(s) themselves from the environment. They used one on the Chernobyl reactor 4 to prevent exposure to and from.

[south lake]

True, but nuclear reactors require some form of thermal venting IIRC, mainly from the attached stacks. Wouldn't a sarcophagus prevent that?

[subtle verge]

Usually a sarcophagus for a reactor is just a big "bubble" of concrete and steel.

[harsh saffron]

oh thats an actual term?

[subtle verge]

Yessir!

[harsh saffron]

I thought that was made up to sound cool ^^

[south lake]

Nope, the term 'Sarcophagus' has been around for ages

Even before Nuclear reactors were a thing

[harsh saffron]

Since the pyramids
ha

[south lake]

A Sarcophagus in the traditional sense is a kind of funeral receptacle for a corpse

[subtle verge]

Technically, yes. However when you shut down a reactor, it only needs to cool down if you're sending humans to interact with it, like replacing the fuel source or a catalyst, etc.

[south lake]

Actually originates from the greek phrase "lithos sarkophagos", or "Flesh-eating stone", since Sarcophagi were typically made out of limestone, which facilitates faster decomposition

[subtle verge]

So a sarcophagi wouldn't cause a meltdown, per se, it would just prevent exposure.

[south lake]

Sure, but you wouldn't be able to reboot a reactor while it's encased, was what I was getting at

[subtle verge]

OH, correct.

[south lake]

The thermal load would quickly ramp up and become unmanageable

[subtle verge]

Yeah, once that sarcophagus is there, it's there until you manually disassemble it.

Usually with wrecking balls or other heavy equipment.

[harsh saffron]

Huh, TIL I guess, I mean I knew the term before but the origin and actual use in modern times was new to me ^^

[south lake]

So that kinda shutters the idea of easy access for bringing those reactors back online at a later date

Though they could still be wanting easy access for R1 in the event of reactor failure/shutdown for Garganta, I guess

Maybe that's where the backup power is coming from?

[subtle verge]

I mean, when you're two mega-conglomerate corporations that have more wealth than the majority of every other corporation in existence combined.. I don't think that really hurts them too much. Annoying, sure, but the resources are nigh infinite.

[south lake]

True, it's more the time aspect I'm thinking of

[subtle verge]

For sure.

[south lake]

Sarcophagi aren't exactly quick to dismantle, after all

But yeah, R1 in low-power mode could potentially be where Garganta's backup power is coming from

[subtle verge]

For example, here's the Chernobyl sarcophagus:

[south lake]

Since they mentioned auto-maintenance and self-calibration cycles

[subtle verge]

Massive amounts of stone and metal.

[south lake]

And nuclear fuel rods have a half-life of.. what

Hundreds of years?

[subtle verge]

No, not in their current state.

About 30-ish years tops.

[south lake]

Hmm.

Is that at full consumption rate, or just by themselves?

[subtle verge]

But who's to say how long they could last in the 2050s.

[subtle verge]

Unsure, let me get back to you on that.

[south lake]

If it's while they're under full load and being actively used, figure half-power would possibly be twice that duration

If it's just passive dissipation, then that kinda puts the kibosh on that theory

[subtle verge]

Strontium-90 and cesium-137 have half-lives of 30 years and decay over time even when not used. Plutonium-239, however, has a half-life of 24,000 years.

I can't seem to find any info on half-lives when in full use or not.

[south lake]

Hmm.

[subtle verge]

Though I do know that a lot of radioactive materials have much different life spans.

[south lake]

Probably safest to assume Plutonium fuel rods in this case, otherwise Garganta is likely out of power soon-ish.

[subtle verge]

Some as short as a few seconds, others as long as millenias.

[south lake]

I forget if there's a timeframe for how long Garganta's been abandoned

[subtle verge]

Which is where I brought up the idea of a biofuel reactor.

Lots of botanist stations around and presumably aquaculture. They could be using cyanophyta as a fuel source.

Since it has uses in some biofuels in real-world scenarios.

[south lake]

Oh possibly

[subtle verge]

Err, not currently, but has incredible potential*

[south lake]

That would also kind-of explain the presence of the cyanobacterial(?) fog, after a fashion

Possibly some damaged reactor leaking aerosolized cyanobacteria?

I have no idea, personally. Just a thought.

[subtle verge]

That's all speculation, of course, but there is possibility. The infecting fog has roughly the same symptoms of cyanophyte infection.

[south lake]

They could be using some kind of cyanobacteria for fuel that's evolved to slip past even the smallest filters we're able to make.

Assuming there's even filters that can filter out cyanobacteria, that is. I'm not overly familiar with the type myself.

I'm slipping into unfamiliar territory with this line of questions, I'll admit. But if they're using cyanophytes as biofuel, and the fog has a similar composition and results in the same symptoms as cyanophyte infection, then..

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, right?

At least until we get more in-detail information.

[pure folio]

Not sure how you phrase that "ducks" sentence. What am I looking here exactly?

I see why the facility has this toxic air filter. To get rid of the cyanobacteria from spreading.

[south lake]

It's more an indirect way of saying "If it looks like something and sounds like something, then it must be that particular something, right?"

Or.. here.

[pure folio]

Seems like the sleepers are immune to the cyanobacteria.

[south lake]

My ability to explain things is notoriously bad sometimes lmao

[pure folio]

It's alright

[subtle verge]

They don't have the normal biological system that we do.

Or.. rather...

Their biology is different than ours.

[south lake]

It's a type of abductive reasoning.

The test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics. It is sometimes used to counter abstruse arguments that something is not what it appears to be.

It's usually phrased "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."

Or in this case, "If it looks like Cyanophyta, acts like Cyanophyta, and carries the symptoms of Cyanophyta (infection), it probably is Cyanophyta."

[subtle verge]

I'd like to iterate: this was based upon like 30 minutes of research between 2-3 people including myself.

I genuinely have no idea if it's even a step in the right direction.

[pure folio]

I wanna research the biological system of a sleeper. How they act and survive.

[subtle verge]

I'd say check out the report that was done, but.. it's uh... in a bad spot right now. 😅

[pure folio]

There also have been some mutations or rather evolution. Sleepers to Giants then giants to tank. That's how I'd put it.

Perhaps sleepers to shooters then somehow the shooters turned into a scout

since their head is rather similar

I've looked it up in the wiki

Scouts is one of the Shooter Variants

[subtle verge]

Lilliana had a good thought process about it, though I can't remember it word-for-word. The parasite utilizes the DNA of the host and then evolves/mutates to whatever the hive itself needs, blasé blasé, xyz.

Similar to how bees or ants mutate/evolve for the hive.

[pure folio]

Fascinating

[subtle verge]

And the idea that the shooters shoot... well.. their eggs at you.

Creepy.

[south lake]

Fair, but right now speculation is all we have to go on, and any kind of speculation is worthwhile since it at the very least rules things out in some cases

Better to hit a dead end and mark it as such than make no progress through the maze at all, right?

And IIRC didn't shooters in earlier builds cause your infection readout to spike?

I seem to remember that, at least

[subtle verge]

Couldn't tell you. I didn't play as much back then as I do now.

[south lake]

Could've been a bug, since from what I remember it had no effect on gameplay, but the end-screen Infection readout would display increasing levels of it depending on how much you got hit.

[eternal talon]

i'm pretty sure infection at all was introduced sometime around r2

[sacred moon]

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This shit got a pattern?

[sacred moon]

oh.

read, then comment. whoops?

[quick grove]

What

[eternal talon]

people talking of ttt

[quick grove]

Mother fuc-

Why

[quick grove]

@eternal talon we've lost a man

[subtle verge]

Yeah, that's called brainFuck; it's an 8-digit coding format that was made in the mid 90s, iirc.

[sacred moon]

pain

[quick grove]

And that's she wardens code

[south lake]

I wonder if Matter Wave tech has possible weapons applications.

[subtle verge]

I mean, anything can be used as a weapon. So... theoretically, yeah.

[south lake]

If you can trigger tethering on-demand (like a trigger pull), and assuming the Tether doesn't translocate the entire subject regardless of the Tether's radius, could possibly use quantum tethering as a way of "shooting" holes in something or someone by way of translocating pieces of them elsewhere

"No muss, no fuss" guns that clean up their own mess, after a fashion

Just a random idea, but a fun one.

[eternal talon]

Until blood, guts, and whatever else come pouring out of that hole you just made. Not very clean

[amber field]

translocate the water out of living things

ez

[south lake]

I mean, if you're going to nitpick it, yes, it would indirectly cause a mess. But the bits it hit would be cleaned up, which was my original point.

[rapid iron]

wait, how did andrew die? NAM-V? Drilling explosion from meteorite?

[subtle verge]

Andrew died from the blast that occurred; the one that tore through Garganta and left the upward-curved metal you see in the beginning of expeditions.

[rapid iron]

it is the one that occurred when they opened the meteorite right?

[finite vine]

we don’t really know if it was the meteorite itself or something inside of it. basically we don’t know if they already broke into the meteorite/ “the egg” before or after the explosions.

at least idk. i have read the logs like 5 times trying to figure out what they were breaking into. the “the egg”, “the fossil”, or “the inner”. I put these names in quotes because they have been mentioned in various logs. we know that “the egg” is an egg shaped mass that is 2km tall and 1.2 km wide somewhere below 1.5km. That is all we really know, no clue what/ where the other two are.

[silent jewel]

has anyone proposed the idea that the black crystals are iridium oxide yet?

[bold sluice]

a document he sent me said that it is not really known what teh crystals are, but that they might be the new material

they're probably iridium (IV) oxide

it's a black material with rutile crystal structure

that's not iridum oxide ^, just something else with rutile crystal structure

doesn't seem too much of a stretch for the crystals there to be rutile, from what i remember of seeing them

given that the asterioid came from alpha 1 (or whatever it was officially called, i like to call it arrakis based on first impressions), it means that there has to be a lot of iridium close to/on the surface of the planet

explainable by the crystals, protrusions of a layer of iridium below the "sand"

idk i doubt i'm the first one to think of this given it's a pretty simple logical sequence, but just in case i figured i would share it

[south lake]

Except it's probably safe to say that any documented material would show up on the tests they've no doubt run on the crystals

That and frankly, I sincerely doubt Iridium-4 Oxide has quantum displacing effects.

[silent jewel]

i mean

have you ever stuck iridium-4 oxide into a weird alien artifact?

personally I think that the crystal in the WMP is more of a target designator

[south lake]

Whether anyone has or not is completely irrelevant and is frankly just a blatant red herring. No, I haven't stuck Iridium-4 Oxide into a weird alien artifact. Neither have you or anyone else. And that has zero bearing on whether or not the crystals are Iridium-4 Oxide.

As far as logic and reasoning are concerned, Iridium-4 Oxide does not exhibit quantum displacing effects of any kind, under any feasible circumstances available here on Earth. And it's already been established that GTFO tries to at least stay somewhat accurate to the natural progression of technology. Implying that Iridium-4 Oxide can teleport people under extremely specific circumstances is effectively just handwaving in "Space Magic".

And yes, there are fantastical elements to the game. It's a game, after all. But at least one datalog has mentioned that the crystals are unidentified. And if (big if, it's late and I'm tired) I'm remembering correctly, one log specifically mentions them as coming back as "Unidentified Crystalline Material" after a scan.

Which.. if it were Iridium-4 Oxide

It would.. You know. Come back as Iridium-4 Oxide.

Because we know what that is.

Sorry if I seem snappish, I'm fairly tired, and rhetorical questions like "Well have you ever done XYX?" aren't a good basis for disproving anything, and just serve to undermine the topic at hand.

And on that note, I'm off to bed.

[silent jewel]

oh I didn't mean to dismiss your statement, I just have a habit of making exceedingly mediocre and poorly timed jokes

[south lake]

My mistake then for misunderstanding.

I apologize.

[silent jewel]

all good

[solar nova]

Considering we already have one mythical material, it seems like the optimal abduction is that the black crystals are also some sort of mythical material.

[silent jewel]

yea that was my thoughts

[solar nova]

Might even be Cretasium, it's hard to know right now.

[silent jewel]

i thought it was determined that cretasium and the crystals were different

[solar nova]

If so, I'm not aware of how. I don't think we've really seen Cretasium yet.

Not in any confirmed sense, I mean.

We just know it's a very hard material found down here.

[silent jewel]

i dont think we as players have seen it but it was in the crater according to the logs and also according ot the logs we havent seen the black crystals anywhere but that planet

if im remembering correctly

[solar nova]

The logs don't mention the crystals at all to our knowledge.

So we can't really say if that's Cretasium or not.

[quick grove]

That's pretty

[eternal talon]

the things you pic up for boosters ARE artifacts.

they aren't the boosters themselves, they are hammerstein collection artifacts.

i told you guys.

[subtle verge]

It's one of the unwritten rules of the lore channel.

"We don't talk about artifacts/boosters." Lmao.

[solar nova]

Artifacts seem to have been a thing since R3, having compiled the IR research console display.

They were studying anomalous materials and structures.

[eternal talon]

this is literally a text only channel.

if it's not written, it doesn't exist.

also by that logic, "we don't talk about the wave matter projector"

if you want to be just as arbitrary.

[pure folio]

So if the bible isn't written then God doesn't exist?

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[eternal talon]

this is a TEXT ONLY CHANNEL.

unwritten literally makes it impossible to know

[eternal talon]

very bad take. context matters.

also no, god doesn't.

that has nothing to do with gtfo lore

[pure folio]

I'm not really religious. I was questioning the odds by that statement.

[eternal talon]

context matters.

[pure folio]

So you're saying if it's not written base on the context of the game/lore then we may not know.

There is still unwritten context later by the future. Time is all what we have left.

Soon enough we will discover all the lore about this game.

[eternal talon]

not what i'm saying at all

[fluid kraken]

Ok if it is a text only channel then what was that image you posted above smh

I mean it light heartedly, but still

[pure folio]

@eternal talon Ik

but the document isn't all the lore isn't it?

[pulsar rampart]

How dare you post a questionably funny gif in a text only channel where the mods have not turned off the ability to send pictures

[eternal talon]

oh my god

[fluid kraken]

I mean, it's not turned off so that people can send images of lore stuff in-game

[pulsar rampart]

Regardless the statement was that this is a text only channel

[eternal talon]

context matters.

[eternal talon]

again, context.

[pulsar rampart]

Eh I dont care I was just taking the piss

[fluid kraken]

I was poking fun at lostty because he had just posted an image above before saying it, as a joke

[eternal talon]

there is no voice chat here.

[fluid kraken]

I know I know, I was poking fun at you, I didn't mean it seriously

[pure folio]

Same

[fluid kraken]

Y'know just a little goof

[pure folio]

I was just joking with the bible

The only argument we are given is context

Don't focus on the bible part

it was meant to be something of a question

I only wonder about the context later in the future

[subtle verge]

That was more of a joke than a jab. Ergo "there's no lore-logical sense as to why the artifacts exist in the first place nor why they're scattered in arbitrarily idiotic places."

[solar nova]

Well, there seems to be good reason for them to exist.

Why they're scattered so haphazardly, much less so.

[subtle verge]

I more point to: "why is a Hammerstein object on an engineer's shelf?" Seems illogical to me on that front.

[eternal talon]

that, yes. is illogical

[subtle verge]

It's an unwritten rule in the sense that you don't ask a woman her age or weight. You can if that's how you want to roll, but it's ill advised.

[eternal talon]

how tall are you?

[subtle verge]

Why does it matter?

[eternal talon]

^

it's a thing of hypo-criticality. just don't take offense to it.

[subtle verge]

I don't see what that question about my personal height has to do with social queues?

[eternal talon]

i wasn't asking for YOUR hight

[subtle verge]

But you implied the question towards me in that scenario. I'm still unsure what point you're trying to make.

Or rather, the question itself can be implied that way, my apologies.

[eternal talon]

asking a woman her age or weight is offensive to some, but not asking for a guy's height. just because some people find questions offensive and others not, does not detract from the question as a whole. so in the question about the artifacts, just because it's an unwritten rule, doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed

make sense?

sorry for the confusion

i came off rather brash, i see.

[subtle verge]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed, only that it's dangerous territory with how little we understand why they exist in the first place and how illogical they are with what little evidence we have thus far. Absolutely you can talk about it, and I agree with that stance wholeheartedly, I'm more implying that it's unwise with our current level of understanding.

If you want to talk about it, please be my guest, I will support the discussion. I just think, currently, it's ill advised.

[eternal talon]

yeah, that's true

i was only making a post to share that it says that the boosters we receive are not the artifacts themselves

[solar nova]

^

Seems more like the WRDN is interested in the artifacts, and wants us to collect them.

[pure folio]

"i wasn't asking for YOUR hight"

[rapid iron]

doesnt seem like it. In the interviews and stuff they said that "you get to keep whatever the warden isn't interested in" implying that the warden has no use for cosmetics or boosters

[rapid iron]

*height

[pure folio]

a

[solar nova]

The boosters and artifacts seem to be different things.

[pure folio]

It's the same example of "how old are you" "I wasn't talking about your age"

[eternal talon]

context

[pure folio]

same shit different toilet

not context

it's about meaning and perspective

[solar nova]

The boosters seem to be a reward for collecting artifacts based on how the WRDN values them.

[pure folio]

it always has been

[rapid iron]

no the artifacts are the boosters

[solar nova]

There is no reason to think this.

[eternal talon]

wrong

[rapid iron]

They are discussed in some terminals

[rapid iron]

aight whatever u say my man

[eternal talon]

THIS is why i made this post in the first place

[rapid iron]

trueeeee

what are they then

[eternal talon]

@rapid iron am i still wrong?

[pure folio]

^

[eternal talon]

they are hammerstein collection artifacts.

[rapid iron]

ooooh

[rapid iron]

never said u were wrong

[eternal talon]

implying

[rapid iron]

I was saying that since u said it it must be true

[eternal talon]

you don't belive

[solar nova]

The log in question does not indicate that the boosters are related to the artifacts, it only talks about the boosters themselves.

[rapid iron]

no I meant it as ur word was absolute lol

[eternal talon]

it's most definitely not

[rapid iron]

I mean u did teach me sniper sentry and burst rifle tho

so far ur on a perfect record...ish

[pure folio]

this has nothing to do with #gtfo-lore

please take your conversation elsewhere

[rapid iron]

I mean the HSU thing I confirmed was technically 'dead' due to a log abt the red alpha HSUs

[eternal talon]

rude

[pure folio]

They hated jesus because he spoke the truth

[rapid iron]

well I dont like u because of ur profile so I think they arent the same

[pure folio]

I could ask a woman her age for a different rather than how she asked mine

it wasn't about context

that's a different story

[pure folio]

Sure but does that relate to the lore do?

I'm just trying to see how context would do for the lore and yes it does something. But it wasn't always context

[eternal talon]

please keep this channel civil

[rapid iron]

sure

[pure folio]

You don't explain "context" clearly

[rapid iron]

what were u even discussing tho

[pure folio]

Can you summarize?

[eternal talon]

summarize what? context?

[pure folio]

About GTFO Lore/Context

People don't get your perspective because you don't explain clearly so others may not understand what you are saying

[rapid iron]

If it is not explicitly, or somewhat implied, you cannot simply assume it is

I think thats what he meant by "if it isnt written it doesnt exist"

[pure folio]

If context matters so much then at least put some context into it.

[pure folio]

Remember this?

[eternal talon]

well in that statement i was saying just because some people dont like certain questions doesn't mean they aren't valid, and in regards to the realdiedieman's post above, the context behind that was saying it is an unwritten rule in a channel that is almost entirely text.

[eternal talon]

that statement was a bit rude

[pure folio]

It wasn't a statement

It was a joke but it had meaning

[eternal talon]

well i misunderstood then

[pure folio]

That's why context matters

now you know

[rapid iron]

then you should have stated context no?

since it got misunderstood too

[pure folio]

I already did

I made it so he misunderstood things

[rapid iron]

anyways this is also off topic, can we go back to lore

[pure folio]

I wanted him to misunderstood

[eternal talon]

we weren't really talking about lore

[pure folio]

he didn't get the context

[eternal talon]

it was just the one off picture

[rapid iron]

wow truly a mastermind thinker gaster

[pure folio]

like you did with @subtle verge

[rapid iron]

now get back to lore pls

[eternal talon]

i posted since some other people i had played with before were confused about the artifacts

and it appears realdiedieman was confused about aswell

[rapid iron]

yeah so lets talk abt artifacts pls, now I see what it looked like between me and merv jesus christ

yes I was confused abt artifacts, and still am

[eternal talon]

well we don't really have much to talk about

we don't know jack diddly

other than they are some artifacts from the meteor

what they do or what they are, we have no clue

other than the warden wants them for some reason so it rewards us for collecting them

[subtle verge]

I see that a lot of the text was deleted, but there was a lot of context into the precedence of the discussion of artifacts within them. C'est la vie.

TL;DR: there's no lore-reasoning for the existence of the artifacts that we pick up, as they're not implied to be part of the Hammerstein expedition/collection. They just exist and are randomly placed everywhere.

And yeah, for some reason, WRDN wants them and in exchange it gives us ethically questionable narcotics.

[rapid iron]

sweet

[pure folio]

Shadow Sleepers

They are interesting and somehow questionable

How did they turn to shadows?

[eternal talon]

As far as we know it's just another mutation

[pine agate]

From what we've been theorizing, they might be a mutated variant that became translucent due to the excessive exposure to light (or dark, can't remember)

[eternal talon]

We've? I've never seen you around here Stomcat, sill nice to see a new face though

[pine agate]

I mean, from what I've seen in some discussions.

[eternal talon]

But yeah, @analog frigate might have a better answer for you, @pure folio

[dim scroll]

Most shadows we've seen appear in the dark

It's quite rare to find some of them under light

[analog frigate]

well shadows are a weird thing, they don't exactly work out physically

they both are invisible and translucent

as in, you can't see their insides (and you can somehow see the tongue/intestines attacking you which they store away magically) but their skin is kinda translucent and has a black tint to it, as seen when a light is shined on them

a couple other people and i have had some theories: bending of light, different levels of light absorption, only certain light is absorbed/reflected

but they all don't make any sense when taking into account the properties of the shadows

so currently we are in the dark (no pun intended) with them

[hot burrow]

I like to think the shadows are just a result of the prisoners poor mental state. Like their actually normal looking sleepers but the prisoners see them as just shadows. thats what I like to think tho

[dim scroll]

why some of them would look like shadows when others don't tho

[solar nova]

Probably just a specialized caste.

[analog frigate]

i don't think they can be a part of the prisoner's imagination. they interact with objects in the real world and also with other sleepers

[eternal talon]

I just had a horrid thought

Maybe, they recognize them

Though, as KSOs they obviously wouldnt

HSUs n' all memory wiping

[faint spear]

Very vivid hallucinations :^)

[late raven]

the biggest issue about shadows being imagination is that its very unlikely that 4 people have the same hallucination at the exact same time.

if there had been only 1 person it would be very probable

[pure folio]

If shadow sleepers are hallucinations. Which is a theory. Can you support details for this theory? I will be very much apricated

[pure folio]

That's true do

I've seen the people saying how they aren't a hallucination and making valid points

If they were suppose to be a hallucination then I'd say something causing it. But were are given no reason of how they became a hallucination. Further more we may not know their biological system. I don't really see any eyes for the sleepers and they only detect when alerted.

[eternal talon]

they do scream alot.

could be echolocation

[pure folio]

Do they have ears?

[late raven]

the theory about less light absorbtion is fairly logical though. we dont know exactly how a lightabsorbing-nonlightreflective object would look like, but if the properties making them invisible isnt 100% effective it could probably result in the image of a shadowy contour of the object

[eternal talon]

dunno, never thought to check

[pure folio]

We already know they have tongues

[late raven]

or they have ir sensory organs

[pure folio]

They are somehow bending light at will.

I wonder if the devs ever explained how shadows were made?

or did they just add them as a cool new enemy

[late raven]

I would argue if it was light bending it would warp the image around them fairly visibly

[late raven]

it might be something that will be explained further along 😛

[pure folio]

Well thank you for your thoughts about the shadows

Without them I'd still be left with no theories or possible answers

I'll go take a break